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Four players to work out on Wednesday

The Wizards announced four players will work out for the team tomorrow morning, including former Connecticut guard Jerome Dyson, who was born in Potomac and played for Churchill High School as a sophomore before transferring to Proctor Academy in Andover, N.H.

Also scheduled to work out are ex-West Virginia forward Devin Eubanks, former Lousiana Tech forward-center Magnum Rolle and ex-Morgan State St. Francis (Pa.) guard Devin Sweetney, who was born in the District and is the cousin of former Georgetown player Mike Sweetney.

By Gene Wang  |  June 1, 2010; 4:30 PM ET
 
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I guess Ebanks is the player they might actually draft out of this group. He's 20, a big talent who played in exactly the wrong offense at West Virginia, which makes it hard to evaluate him. He needs to run the court and so far has been an awful three point shooter, a definite minus with the Mountaineers. This kid should have gone to Kentucky or Florida.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 1, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Ebanks needs to work on his ball handling skills before he starts running the court. He's extremely athletic and plays unbelievable defense - skys the limit for him. I would love to see the bullets take him at 30, but he might not be there.

Pretty sure he was happy he went to wvu. My guess is he enjoyed beating Kentucky to reach the final 4.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | June 1, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Ebanks measurements are very close to Trevor Ariza's. His ability to guard 2s will probably dictate his draft position. Well, that and character issues.

And it looks like the Wizards are planning on picking up a late 2nd rounder and/or signing undrafted players this year. The 2nd round pick is too high for a lot of the guys they're bringing in.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 1, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone hear of the report that Turkoglu wants out of Toronto. PTI said they should trade him to the Wizards for Arenas.

Posted by: ATLredskin | June 1, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Anyone hear of the report that Turkoglu wants out of Toronto. PTI said they should trade him to the Wizards for Arenas.

Posted by: ATLredskin | June 1, 2010 6:05 PM


That's nothing but Wilbon making stuff up in his head. He started it on his online chat earlier today. I guess it sounded good to him and ran it past the producers of pti and they said, "yeah. let's go with it". But that would be the 2nd dumbest trade in team history. C-Webb for Mitch and Otis Thorpe set us back for a decade! This wouldn't set us back that much (if at all), but why trade for a declining point foward who specializes in pick n roll situations and put him on a lottery team with no pick n roll players? If/when Gil is traded, it'll be for picks, cash, and contracts (and maybe a young baller buried on someone's bench).

Posted by: CBell29 | June 1, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Turkoglu is too old to come to us, his contribution is not going to help us but if toronto could give up their 1st round pick, it is an excellent move.His final year contract is teams decision.32 million is much better than 80 million.

Posted by: gtefferra | June 1, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

There was a report a few days ago that he said that he wasn't going back to Toronto.
He needs an established contender not the Wizzies.

Posted by: VBFan | June 1, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

"Turkoglu is too old to come to us, his contribution is not going to help us but if toronto could give up their 1st round pick, it is an excellent move.His final year contract is teams decision.32 million is much better than 80 million.

Posted by: gtefferra | June 1, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse "

Like MeTawn and Oberto?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 1, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I personally don't think an Arenas for Turkaglo trade is crazy for a variety of reasons. But if the Wiz are truly in a rebuilding mode--and they insist that they are--they want youth or picks, not another overpaid vet.

Posted by: jweber1 | June 1, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"I personally don't think an Arenas for Turkaglo trade is crazy for a variety of reasons. But if the Wiz are truly in a rebuilding mode--and they insist that they are--they want youth or picks, not another overpaid vet.

Posted by: jweber1 | June 1, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse "

I doubt if Toronto wants to potentially lose two bigs and get Gilby as a consolation prize.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 1, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Hedo was terrible this year, wouldnt assume a ton of teams are looking to pay him.

Posted by: divi3 | June 1, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"Pretty sure he was happy he went to wvu. My guess is he enjoyed beating Kentucky to reach the final 4.Posted by: capsfansince74"

I'm sure he enjoyed the victory. But that season might have cost him a first round status.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 1, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

HELL no on Turkoglu.

The last thing the Wiz need is another player with big man size and little man game. No, no, no. To say nothing of the fact that after signing that big contract with Toronto, he proceeded to pout, whine, and half-ass his way through the season one it dawned on him that the Raptors were crap. He's a classic example of a player who rises and falls to the occasion. Can't imagine he'd be any more likely to go all out on the Wiz, given their likely fortunes next season. Say all you want about Arenas being a knucklehead, but when it comes to a vet influence on the youngsters, I'd rather have a knucklehead with a 24/7 work ethic who hates losing, than a guy who seems content to put in the minimum amount of work necessary.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 1, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"I doubt if Toronto wants to potentially lose two bigs and get Gilby as a consolation prize."

Money aside, I bet they'd much rather have Arenas than Turkoglu. Hedo wore out his welcome in record time.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 1, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Gene come on, Devin "Eubanks"? Is that the guy from the Tonight Show?

But, I agree with most of the other people that say Devin Ebanks is one of the first guys they have brought in for a workout who they may be looking to draft at 30.

Personally, I'm real iffy on the guy. He came out too soon and I don't know what kind of offensive game he could ever develop. His shooting form is bad and his ball handling is still really sloppy. His defense looks great, but most of the guys in the league that are known for their D also bring at least one offensive skill to the table (shooter/penetrator/passer). His best offensive skill is making strong cuts to the basket and finishing. Its hard to do that in the NBA when you can't shoot and are no longer a better athlete than the guys covering you.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 1, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, now that i've had some time (and a few drinks), i'm coming around to this Hedo for Gil trade. I ran the trade through ESPN's trade machine and a trade of Gilbert for Hedo and Jarrett Jack (local hero, overpaid) would work in the nba guidelines. It would be even sweeter if we can get their pick this year out the deal (as is Ted's top priority to add draft picks), but i doubt it. But still, the reason it would work is that we can flip Hedo to a contender that's willing to give up young talent or a draft pick for him. Maybe Portland (if they don't hold a grudge). Maybe Memphis (much easier pill to swallow if a sign and trade is done for Rudy). For Toronto, they get a 3 time all-star who can put up 30 in his sleep and possibly convince Bosh to stay. And let not forget Jarrett Jack either. He would be a nice backup to John Wall as well as bring that hometown vibe to the game the same way Juan and Steve and Roger did. Just a thought...

Posted by: CBell29 | June 2, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Turkoglu is too old to come to us, his contribution is not going to help us but if toronto could give up their 1st round pick, it is an excellent move.His final year contract is teams decision.32 million is much better than 80 million.

Posted by: gtefferra | June 1, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse "

Like MeTawn and Oberto?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 1, 2010 8:24 PM


AJ was on the good side of 30 when he was brought here. Oberto was supposed to be just another body. Not his fault we sucked.

Posted by: CBell29 | June 2, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

After I looked at the list of workouts held by every NBA team on HoopsHype.com, it looks like every team is having a tough time getting players who expect to go in the 1st round to come out to these workouts. Considering the way so many guys were held out of drills at the combine this year, I'm not surprised that agents are waiting.

Maybe alot of these guys will wait until the last 2 wks before the draft or maybe their agents will only have their guys workout for the teams picking at the top end of where their clients are projected. But, let's not forget that the Wiz drafted McGee without having him come in for a workout.

And does anyone want to take bets on how likely it is that Asst. Coach Whitman's son will be on the Wizard's summer league team? I say why not, give him a shot.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 2, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I'd be surprised if Ted's shopping Arenas. If he didn't like the results of his one on one with Gil, I doubt he'd of set up the photo op at the end of the workouts the other day. That picture wasn't an accident, the resurection begins...

Last time I looked the point of playing NBA basketball was to win. Grevis just put the whole Maryland program on his shoulders and went out and won games. A year and a half ago there were some calling for Gary's head. GV not only willed the Terps to win games, but every time he got any where near a mike, he talked about how much he loved his coach and how much he loved MD.

All sounded kind of sappy, but HS recuits listened,Gary's put together a couple of good recuiting classes in a row and the program is on the upswing again.

None of that would be a reason to draft him, but the guy's got a way of blowing by people that he just doesn't seem to have the speed to get by. He's got great length to finish in the lane, and an assortment of dink shots, so he doesn't have to always get to the rim. He defends, handles the ball, and is an effective passer.

Without Grevis MD was an NIT team at best,
he was ACC player of the year, he was an impact player in a major college conference,in the second round he's going to be a steal. Don't wait too long to pick him, he's the kind of guy San Antonio makes a living finding...

Hayes developes legit NBA three ball range and he'll have a decent NBA career. My guess is he slides through the draft and gets signed to a summer league team. I think he catches on somewhere, might spend some D League time perfecting that range.
A very Kerr like player to me, catches on the right place he could have a nice career.

Ebanks has talent, some project him as our pick at 30, but I'd really like to see the Wiz find another big at that slot unless they find a way to find another earlier pick.

There seems like there could be some interesting big man projects on the board at 30, but the Wiz really need a guy that can give them rotation minutes up front right away, to get that kind of guy they're going to have to find another pick.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 2, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

"And does anyone want to take bets on how likely it is that Asst. Coach Whitman's son will be on the Wizard's summer league team?"
Posted by: SportzWiz

LOL I suspect you're right. I guess he could be the next Jason Kapono, huh? Tall guy who can shoot from way out.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 2, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Ryan Wittman on our Summer League roster. Interesting call, SportzWiz!

Posted by: Bellman | June 2, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

With I believe six players under contract out of 14, (Gilbert Arenas, Josh Howard, Mike Miller, Andray Blatche, Javale McGee, and Nick Young) the Wizards have a great opportunity to put together a solid team.

These personnel decisions are going to be foundation of what is to come going forward.

I would definitely draft Wall and the next two best big men available. I would want my center position to be so strong that Andray Blatche would only be game planned for the 4-position.

I would solidify my point guard position by signing Livingston as Walls backup.

I would keep Gilbert for at least one season at the two and then determine his future with or without the team.

The three position, you would hope that Mike Miller, would nail that position down, but the three position, and the backup roles for the three, the four, as well as the two, is where the GM and the HC is really going to have to prove there worth.

If Gilbert does manage to stay around for one more year, the Coaching and the GM'ing will have as much to prove as he.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 2, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

No Miller, No Foye, No Earl. I suspect we may keep Foye after going Big in the draft, but I'd prefer all 3 are gone.

Posted by: divi3 | June 2, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if this was posted already, but it's something to chew on 9so to speak):

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=granderson/100529

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 2, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Don't see much chance or reason to keep Miller or Boykins. I could see Foye being retained for bench depth. Ideally, however, all of the team's FAs (with the possible exception of Singleton) will be gone. This team needs a full transfusion of new blood.

Livingston had one foot out the door before the season was even over.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 2, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

There seems like there could be some interesting big man projects on the board at 30, but the Wiz really need a guy that can give them rotation minutes up front right away, to get that kind of guy they're going to have to find another pick.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 2, 2010 8:14 AM

You can't imagine how much I agree with this and why I feel the 5-slot is so critical. I so much do not want to see Blatche actually playing center for major minutes any more.

McGee and whomever we bring in needs badly to lock the center position down. At the beginning of last season I was so sure that Haywood and McGee would control the 5 for us. I was really hoping that McGee would push Haywood for playing time but our coach could not see past a young inexperienced player making mistakes.

With a even younger team on the horizon this year coaching will be critical. Just deferring to veteran experienced players isn't always a winning philosophy as Flip found out.

It seems like he was so quick to bench McGee and Young for making mistakes, instead of fostering on the court confidence in them by letting them play.

Maybe I am hard on Flip, but young players cannot perform better on the bench. Young players perform better by playing.

It is the older experienced veteran players that might surely take note of being benched.

John Wall's talent though good as everyone says, will surely be the victim of rookie mistakes.

How will Flip coach him as well as other young talent that we might bring in this year?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 2, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Livingston had one foot out the door before the season was even over.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 2, 2010 10:23 AM

Are you saying this because Livingston has his sights set on what he thinks are greener pastures, or because the Wizards are not willing to resign him to contract and take a chance on him?

If I were the Wizards I would much rather have him backing up Wall than anything else that is possible now.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 2, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"If I were the Wizards I would much rather have him backing up Wall than anything else that is possible now."

If you were Livingston, would you want to be backing up a rookie (and/or Arenas) on a lottery team if you had any other option? Like I said, he had his bus ticket outta town well in hand before the final buzzer sounded on the season. Money was never the issue, because it's not like he's going to command a big salary.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 2, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if this was posted already, but it's something to chew on (so to speak):

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=granderson/100529

Posted by: kalo_rama

It's one of a couple of reasons I was glad when the Wizards lost the coin toss and were eliminated from any chance to landing the 4th pick, the likely spot where a team will be forced to consider Cousins' talent vs his issues.

Is he a cranky but productive hothead like Rasheed Wallace or Artest? Or a player whose personality overshadows his game? Is he a player who ultimately learns to control his weight in the pros like Barkley and others, or who eats his way out of the league? Go with the very talented big man with issues, or a less-talented, unlikely-to-be-a-cornerstone player like Wes Johnson?

Not being put in the position to have to make that call was the first big break the Wizards got this offseason.

Posted by: ts35 | June 2, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

It seems like he was so quick to bench McGee and Young for making mistakes, instead of fostering on the court confidence in them by letting them play.

Maybe I am hard on Flip, but young players cannot perform better on the bench. Young players perform better by playing.

How will Flip coach him as well as other young talent that we might bring in this year?
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

It's a little bit of apples and oranges to me Larry. Last year he came in expecting to coach a veteran playoff team, where part of the job of the regular season is to get the team ready for the post-season. He ended up having to coach a young team trying to figure out what kind of team it was and players being put into primary roles they weren't used to. He very clearly took too long to adjust to the new circumstances, but his initial treatment of the 'kids' wasn't unwarranted.

This year, his goals are clear, and much less likely to change, barring a big FA signing. His mindset will already be different walking through the door. And I'm sure he will be energized at the prospect of coaching a kid like Wall.

Young players definitely need time on the floor to learn to play. But at the same time, the first things a lot of young players need to learn, especially these days, are discipline and responsibility. If they're not going to prepare the way a professional is supposed to, if they keep repeating the same mistakes, and if some of their mistakes are often effort-based more so than knowledge or skill-based, why should they get to play? Playing time is the one true lever coaches have.

We already know that our young guys have been immature. How much of that is on them versus what the organization has let them get away with is unclear. But I don't think it's a bad place for a new coach to start. If you don't work in practice, if you don't give the proper effort in games and learn from mistakes, you don't play.

AB, McGee and Young were all giving better two-way effort towards the end of the year. AB actually fell off a bit, but I'd be willing to bet some of that was fatigue from his greatly increased load. Some people here will say that their better effort was as a result of playing more. I'd actually say the reverse, that the message was received...you don't play hard and try to play the right way, then you ride the pine.

I'm definitely not saying Flip didn't make a bunch of big mistakes, he clearly did. But if his methodology with the kids was as I think it was, I don't think his overall strategy with them was wrong.

Posted by: ts35 | June 2, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I am hard on Flip, but young players cannot perform better on the bench. Young players perform better by playing. "

Young players (hell, all players) perform better by working on their games and improving in the areas where they are weak. Simply gifting them more PT won't automatically make them better.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 2, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if this was posted already, but it's something to chew on...

Minnesota is a perfect fit for Cousins. Kevin Love and him can carpool to WeightWatchers meetings.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 2, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying this because Livingston has his sights set on what he thinks are greener pastures, or because the Wizards are not willing to resign him to contract and take a chance on him?

If I were the Wizards I would much rather have him backing up Wall than anything else that is possible now.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

I would say greener pastures. I think we pretty much all would be happy with Livingston as the backup PG, but it's unclear what that will mean with the Wiz. Does he get 20 mins behind Wall, or does Gil still factor in some to the PG mix?

Plus, I'm pretty sure Shaun didn't spend hours rehabbing just to be a backup on a lottery team. If he can find a starting gig anywhere or at least as a backup with a definite role on a playoff contender, I think he goes there first. He showed enough here that I think some teams will give him a look.

Posted by: ts35 | June 2, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I think for livingston is strickly a money deal. He is coming off a horric knee injury and during rehab time, couldn't catch on to a teaf if his life depended on it. If the zards decide to extend him a decent contract for an extended period of time, I am sure he will jump on it. He was already known as injury prone so this is his best opportunity to make money.

Posted by: merajc86 | June 2, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I see the point being made about Shaun's perspective, but is he ready physically to be the man on a competitive team?

Will being a backup on a competitive team really benefit him?

I can see a backup role for him here that gives him another year to become physically all the way healthy and continue to hone his skills.

The UpTemPo system that seems would have to be an emphasis for John Wall also fits his style of play.

If he should perform well as a dynamic backup for Wall it will only increase his value and also give the Wizards a serious bargaining chip next year.

I would not want Gilbert being the 2nd point guard option when Wall is not running the point.

If Gil is here next season, I want him concentrating only on the two slot. Making things simple can pay huge dividends.

I feel it would not be productive to have Gil playing the one in the absence of Wall. Let's say in the best of scenario's and Gilbert is really playing well, you don't want that to be at any expense of the point guard position.

If it is not Livingston backing up Wall, then lottery team or not, we can't go forward with Gilbert being the backup to Wall.

I see Livinston being a win win for both the Wizs and he himself as well. Surely, I agree, he may not want to back up a rookie, but it may be best for him.

No one really knows how things will work out. Will Wall be a big minute player next year. I can see Livingston getting good minutes next year behind Wall. How he handles those minutes could give him all the leverage he needs.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 2, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"I see the point being made about Shaun's perspective, . . ."

Really? Because everything you say suggest strongly that you don't.

". . . but is he ready physically to be the man on a competitive team?"

Who said anything about him being "the man"?

"Will being a backup on a competitive team really benefit him?"

It'll certainly benefit him more than being possibly the third option on a lottery team.

"I would not want Gilbert being the 2nd point guard option when Wall is not running the point."

I doubt Flip Saunders takes your wishes into consideration when setting his rotation.

"No one really knows how things will work out."

Which is exactly the point. Livingston has no idea how the Wall/Arenas situation will be resolved or when, so if he has other options at more or less the same money, hitching his wagon to the Wizards makes no sense for him, esp. if he has the chance to sign with a team that gives him an opportunity to start or a clear role as the primary backup. He's certainly not going to get the first on the Wizards and there's significant reason to doubt he gets the second.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 2, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Will being a backup on a competitive team really benefit him?

I can see a backup role for him here that gives him another year to become physically all the way healthy and continue to hone his skills.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

I think his knee is about as physically healthy as it's ever going to get. He showed good explosion off it towards the end of last season with a couple of nice dunks. I'm sure Shaun does have two things going on, one that he wants to make money, and two that he wants to win. Might he have to take less to go to a competitive team? Probably. How much less and who's interested will likely determine his choice.

As for Gil, if Flip is running his two guard offense, Gil will still have some PG responsibilities regardless. And it may not be a matter of what is ideal as much as what allows Gil to adjust to not being 'the man'. Why should we care what Gil wants? We really shouldn't, but the reality is that if they are going to put him on the court with Wall, he needs to be of a mindset to not be a total jackass and disruption. Putting the ball in his hands when Wall is off the court may make it an easier pill to swallow. And it may take some of the pressure off of Wall.

Regardless, from Livingston's perspective, I don't know how you look at the former All-Star caliber PG and the new #1 pick PG both being on the team and not assume that you're the one whose minutes get squeezed, no matter what anyone in the organization tells you.

Posted by: ts35 | June 2, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

It's a small statistical sample, but over the last 10 games or so with the Wiz, Livingston averaged 37 mins, 15.5pts and 6.3 asts on .627 shooting. The question still remains whether he can hold up over the long haul, but I'm quite sure other teams around the league noticed those numbers (as well as the .500 record over that stretch).

Teams that need a distributor will likely take a serious look at him, especially knowing that he's not going to break their bank.

Posted by: ts35 | June 2, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sure Shaun does have two things going on, one that he wants to make money, and two that he wants to win. Might he have to take less to go to a competitive team? Probably. How much less and who's interested will likely determine his choice."

I think at this point, getting a chance to play is probably his biggest concern. He's spent the last several years working his ass off to get back on the court (and, for a part of that time, continuing to collect a check from the Clippers). I doubt he'd look all that kindly on continuing to be paid to sit. Besides, it's not likely anyone is going to be throwing big money at him (given his circumstances with the injury), so the difference between various offers isn't likely to be that great.

I think he might even take a little less money to go to a team that gives him a more significant chance to play a lot. Whoever signs him is likely to only give him a 1 or 2 year deal, so a team that allows him to play a lot of minutes and showcase himself for his next deal would possibly be at the top of his list.

But, of course, that still doesn't help the Wizards' chances any.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 2, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

He has no lateral movement left and never will regain it, which makes him a permanent defensive liability....but that's hardly deal-breaker in this league. He looked downright great at times and will clearly be a productive player should his knee hold.

Posted by: divi3 | June 2, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Besides, it's not likely anyone is going to be throwing big money at him (given his circumstances with the injury), so the difference between various offers isn't likely to be that great.
Posted by: kalo_rama

Agreed. But I keep trying to remind myself not to minimize a couple of hundred thousand dollars here and there as not a big difference. =)

Posted by: ts35 | June 2, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I still don't think that Livingston will have all that many offers and could end up back in DC by default. I mean, how different is he than Ramon Sessions? Sessions is younger and put up better numbers. Livingston is taller but injury prone. The supply of PG's in the league is at an alltime high. Half the teams drafted a starting PG last year and there are several starters coming out this year as well. Sessions got NO offers and had to sign with MN right before the season began because there was nothing else to do (and MN already had a couple PG's, as you might have heard). So, I don't think Livingston will have that many options. I predict it'll actually come down to one team offering 3 years and another team offering 2 years, and he picks the first team for that reason alone. If that's the Wiz, then I think he'd come here. However, I do agree that he seemed on the way out at the end of the season, but he may have to suck it up. And I think Wall-Arenas-Livingston could be a killer 3-guard rotation.

Posted by: Urnesto | June 2, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

All and all, with all that is said here, Livingston, Wall, Arenas, as Urnesto points might be a good thing for the Wizards.

However, in Livingston's case, I would very careful what I chose to do.

Some very good points here indeed, for sure.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 2, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Agreed. But I keep trying to remind myself not to minimize a couple of hundred thousand dollars here and there as not a big difference. =)"

To guys who are used to getting paid millions for a 6-8 month work year, it's really not that big a difference.

"I mean, how different is he than Ramon Sessions?"

For starters he's at least 4 or 5 inches taller than Sessions. That alone will pique teams' interest. Plus, there was a lot of hype surrounding his potential, pre-injury. Even with the obvious erosion of that due to injury, at a cut-rate, short-term cost, teams will be interested in seeing what's left. He's not going to be flooded with offers, but he will have options.

And I doubt anyone offers him a 3-year deal, unless at least one (and maybe two) of them are options/non-guaranteed. He's done enough to attract interest, but not nearly enough to fully dispel skepticism about his knee (and that includes from the Wiz).

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 2, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"Agreed. But I keep trying to remind myself not to minimize a couple of hundred thousand dollars here and there as not a big difference. =)"

To guys who are used to getting paid millions for a 6-8 month work year, it's really not that big a difference
Posted by: kalo_rama

If you're probably going to get around $2 mil a year max, the difference between $1.8M and $2M is a big difference. If you've also been injured and realize that your days of making big cash are limited, it probably is also a big deal. He's made about $14M so far (not sure how much he has left), but based on seeing his own sports mortality, gonna guess that he'll notice a couple of hundred thou.

Posted by: ts35 | June 2, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"AJ was on the good side of 30 when he was brought here. Oberto was supposed to be just another body. Not his fault we sucked.

Posted by: CBell29 | June 2, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse "

MeTawn got his stats but beyond that, really didn't do much to help propel the team deep into the playoffs.

WRT to Oberto, you should reference EG's quote after signing him which led one believe that he was the missing piece of the puzzle in his grand plan for major success in the playoffs.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 2, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"If you're probably going to get around $2 mil a year max, the difference between $1.8M and $2M is a big difference."

It is if he thinks it's the last money he's going to make in the NBA. But if (as I think is much more likely) he views the short-term deal he signs this summer as an extended tryout for a real deal to come after, then the chance to play and show that he can still cut it is going to be worth more to him than 200K. If two teams are offering him similar roles and the difference in money is 200K, then sure he takes the money. Who wouldn't? What I'm talking about is making the choice between money and PT. If the choice is a little extra cash or a bigger role with more PT, my guess is he goes for the PT.

"If you've also been injured and realize that your days of making big cash are limited, it probably is also a big deal. He's made about $14M so far (not sure how much he has left), but based on seeing his own sports mortality, gonna guess that he'll notice a couple of hundred thou."

If he's thinking that his "days of making big cash are limited then the 200K is going to be even less meaningful, because in order to make big cash he has to sign a deal that'll let him prove to some team he's worth a guaranteed multiyear deal. The guy's only 24 years old. If his knee is structurally sound, he could play another 8 years. If he's truly taking the long-view, as your reasoning suggests, then taking a gamble on himself no for a bigger payoff later is the most logical course. If he eschews that for a smallish, short-term money grab now, he's basically saying he doesn't have confidence in his chances to earn a bigger deal. I find that unlikely.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 2, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I am sure Shaun is ultimately banking on his own success long term. At the same time, he is much more cognizant than most athletes of how quickly it can be taken away. $200K is chump change in terms of athletes salaries. But less so as part of the money to help you live the rest of your life. Optimistic on the one hand about continuing to play, yet realistic about the increased possibility that it could all end tomorrow.

Posted by: ts35 | June 2, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

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