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Mike Miller will consider return to Washington


I really haven't ruled out the Wizards. (Mark Goldman/Icon SMI)


Mike Miller will become an unrestricted free agent at 12:01 a.m. Thursday and face the prospect of signing with the team of his choice for the first time in his career. After spending the past four seasons with lousy lottery teams in Memphis, Minnesota and Washington, it would be easy to assume that Miller would've hopped on that plane back home to Los Angeles last April and never looked back to the Wizards.

How could he want to come back? The Wizards failed miserably after acquiring Miller and Randy Foye to complement Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler. He had to endure the most injury-plagued season of his career. He witnessed one of the wildest scenes in team sports when Arenas placed four guns on the chair of teammate Javaris Crittenton with a note that read, "Pick 1." He had to stick around with a terrible team after Jamison, Butler and Brendan Haywood got dealt to playoff teams. He played through a franchise-record 16-game losing streak.

But believe it or not, Miller said that he would consider coming back for another run. "I haven't at all," Miller said in a recent telephone interview, when asked if he has ruled out a return. "Unfortunately, we had an up and down experience last year, but I love the coaching staff, the front office and Ted Leonsis knows what it takes to help get organizations back on a winning track. I've been in contact with them back and forth. When they got the No. 1 pick, it made things a lot better. I like Kirk Hinrich. I like Trevor Booker, I think he can help right away as well. He plays hard."

Miller averaged 10.9 points - on 50 percent shooting, including 48 percent from three-point range - and 6.2 rebounds last season in Washington. But he looked noticeably unhappy at times, as he continued disturbing trend as a shooter who refuses to shoot. Coach Flip Saunders said he often had to beg him to take open looks. From talking to a few people about Miller, I heard that he really didn't want to pad meaningless stats on a losing team, which led to his reluctance to take over games. His next team could provide him the chance to blend in and play his desired role.


You still want to be my teammate, Mike? (AP Photo)

Miller, 30, knows that he will have suitors with other teams built to win immediately, having already spoken this summer with some of the top-tier free agents. He's such good friends with LeBron James that he named his youngest son, Mavrick, after James's close business adviser and he also shares the same agent as Joe Johnson. As he told me in my story on the free agent bonanza, those guys are going to need shooters to spread the floor for them. He could be that guy, which means Miller would have to wait.

"You want to be in the best spot to win, but it's obviously a little different for those guys [James, Johnson, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, etc.], because they know they are going to get the money and be in good spots to win," said Miller, who is a career 40.5 percent three-point shooter. "For the second-tier guys, do you try to get more money or do you try to win? It has to be something to win, because that's what we're in this for."

Although the Wizards are in a rebuilding mode, Miller said he doesn't expect it to take that long to get going. "I think John Wall will progress faster than people think," he said. "The unknown, really, is can Gilbert and John Wall play together. They are both so talented, you have to have them on the floor, but can they play together?"

Miller still remains connected with his Wizards teammates and has been taking his sons, Mavrick and Mason, to Nick Young's basketball camp in Los Angeles this week. When asked what number he would wear if he came back to Washington -- since he has already given the No. 6 to Gilbert Arenas -- Miller said, "I'll let them have whatever numbers they want. I'll just go in there and try to fit in."

The Wizards like Miller and plan to speak with him but are under the impression that he will inevitably sign with a contender. The Wizards only have about $6 million left for free agents after acquiring Kirk Hinrich and Yi Jianlian in the past week. Miller said he would sign with the place that feels like the best fit for him. "If I sign with a bad team, it's all on me," Miller said.


By Michael Lee  |  June 30, 2010; 1:31 PM ET
 
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Comments

First to say the Wizards don't want Mike Miller.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | June 30, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Miller is a great guy, always hustling, but if he isn't going to shoot what is the point?

Posted by: lameotron | June 30, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

There's no point,is there? Let him go to another team. Keep to the strategy, stay with the young guys.

Posted by: rickgonz | June 30, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Nice guy, but this is all the blah blah blah of a free agent. Wise not to burn bridges here in case his FA dreams of riches elsewhere don't come true. There's what he says, and then there's what's really going on.

Posted by: ArchieTambo | June 30, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"I heard that he really didn't want to pad meaningless stats on a losing team, which led to his reluctance to take over games."

The lengths people go to to make excuses for this guy are mind-boggling. Miller must be the nicest guy in the league or something.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

For $6 million bucks the Wizards could sign Livingston, Josh Howard and Veeremenko. That would pretty much round out the roster right there.

Posted by: elfreako | June 30, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't see the justification in signing him. He's a nice 6th/7th man on a good team.

On a rebuilding team he just takes up a roster spot.

He's got to keep his options open but I can't see it working out with the direction this team is taking.

Posted by: SteveMG | June 30, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

We've got the 6 million and the big exception. Sign BARNES, a guard, and a center. Forget MILLER.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 30, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Nice guy, but this is all the blah blah blah of a free agent. Wise not to burn bridges here in case his FA dreams of riches elsewhere don't come true. There's what he says, and then there's what's really going on.

Posted by: ArchieTambo

Bingo! He's just making sure he has a soft place to land, worst-case scenario.

Posted by: harrybalz | June 30, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Clear concensus here, Good Bye Mike! Don't you feel foolish with all of your "wanting to go to a contender" talk only to find-out that there isn't much interest in a non-shooting shooting guard. Prepare for the vet minimum Mike.

Posted by: closg | June 30, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Miller is s good dude.

But he won't be back next year.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 30, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Miller is a class act. I'm sure that he was just asked the question by some DC reporter and answered it that way to be respectful to the Wiz.

I don't think he really fits in the team right now. Wall and Hinrich will be the primary distributors, so I don't think he is needed.

Hopefully Gil we be the sharpshooter to spread the floor.


Posted by: dcsports12 | June 30, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Mike go to a contender. He's a smart player and negotiator plays the right way and says the right things. Don't bad mouth anybody, Never know where you'll end up.
If he ends up here good --- he can help.

Posted by: VBFan | June 30, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

is miller having to be begged to shoot the ball any different in pricipal than Gil having to be begged to play defense? Gil gets reamed on about not playing D while being a top 5 scorer in the league. meanwhile MM gets free pass after free pass, despite his reluctance to shoot and average to below average defense and turnovers.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"meanwhile MM gets free pass after free pass, despite his reluctance to shoot and average to below average defense and turnovers."

Miller played hurt, and did what he was asked to do...all with a smile on his face.

Management asked him to play beyond what he was clearly capable of. Mike Miller is a hair above Roger Mason in what he brings to the table...that 6th man who brings the spark off of the bench.

The Wizards asked him to be a "leader," and while he is clearly a great guy to have on your roster he's not what the team asked him to be.

After all of those trades he was put in a position he really should not have been. He's going to go to a playoff team and be a great player, maybe even with Lebron.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 30, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I tend to think Childress will be the Wizards FA target. He's not the shooter that Miller is but he's younger and would still be in his prime in a year or two when Wall hits his stride.

For those hoping for a quick fix in signing Carmelo or Durant, I don't see it happening. Listen to what Ted's saying, he's been pretty clear about his desire to build around youth and players the team develops themslves. Signing a major FA next summer dosn't fit in with the plan.

John Wall is tied to the Wizards for four years under his rookie contract. Ted's building process is moving more along those lines, year three is when the team should begin to make it's move up in the standings.

In the meantime the Wiz will accumulate two more lottery picks in the top ten. If the Wiz are lucky they can continue to milk some talent out of this feeding frenzy this summer, Ernie's got another Trade Exception to use and one really big asset in Arenas.

They could possibly pickup a young and overlooked FA(Childress), or a Vet like Josh Howard that is presently damaged goods, and hope for some upside and even flip a guy in a future deal.

I'd advise people to start checking out Draft Express or even the HS ranks, that's where the next big Wizards star is...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 30, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Mike Miller will consider return to Washington

Yippee?

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Reading these posts, shows how many retards no nothing about building a team and have never played organized ball in thier lives!

First off, its idiotic to trade Gilbert now. His trade value is lower than it will be around the trade deadline when teams are looking to unload a player who isn't going to sign back (Melo), or looking to diperately add a piece for a playoff push. Around that time Gil's problems will be forgotten a little and he'll be puttin up AT LEAST 20 ppg and 5 ast. I can garauntee that if Gilbert leaves without some kind of scoring replacement or something, the Wiz are a 20-win team at best and John Wall will be counting the days until his rookie contract is done.

The Wizards need to put that 12.1 million to good use and sign a not-quite-a-max-deal player. Like a Rudy Gay or even cheaper J-Chill. And put that exception to use to sign a vetern big man or another scorer that can jus fill it up. Otherwise we will have ONE reliable scoring option, Gilber Arenas.

Posted by: TheMeccaHowardU | June 30, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse


Are you serious? The reason they are trying to get rid of Gil now is because they don't want him to rub off onto J-Wall. Second, his value may be lower now, but what if he performs poorly? Then his value will decrease tremendously and then, no one will definitely want to pay for Gil. Third, Gil is 28...the closer he inches to 30 (and surpasses 30), his value will drop way lower. Fourth, Rick Bucher off ESPN says there is significant interest in him right now; so that means there may be decent value for a guy who has barely played in 3 years, coming off a serious knee injury. This may be the best time if any to move Gil and his $80 mil contract.

They are trying to build around Wall, and Gilbert is just not an ideal piece. They need a more traditional 2 to play off him (hopefully someone that can play an ounce of D)

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"For those hoping for a quick fix in signing Carmelo or Durant, I don't see it happening."

I could definately see them pursuing Yao if he stays healthy.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 30, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"Fourth, Rick Bucher off ESPN says there is significant interest in him right now"

I've seen him say that too, but then he always follows it up with "That's all I can say for now"

I think he's full of crap, but time will tell.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I'd advise people to start checking out Draft Express or even the HS ranks, that's where the next big Wizards star is...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 30, 2010 3:02 PM

How about Seraphin, Booker, and Yi? EG is touting all of them as 1st round picks brought in to form a core of players to build around. No chance any of them are the next Zards star?

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I've seen him say that too, but then he always follows it up with "That's all I can say for now"

I think he's full of crap, but time will tell.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Maybe...But I don't find him too bad. I think he is one of the better ESPN reporters.

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Count me as one who really likes the idea of re-signing Miller. Dude's as tough as nails (remember him playing with a separated shoulder?), moves the ball, hits open shots, and rebounds.

He doesn't like to be the facilitator of the offense, which ended up being his role following the Gil suspension because Foye, Boykins, and Young were the only other options back there.

Well now we have Wall. And we have Gil returning. And we have Hinrich as a 3rd guard.

Bring back Miller. This team can't be ENTIRELY young and upcoming. You need some veteran mentors, and leaders on and off the court, and preferably not one that is fresh off a halfway-house stint.

And aside from all that, we still don't have depth at the 3 position.

Say yes to Miller.

Posted by: psps23 | June 30, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I just find it hard to believe there are many owners out there looking to take on Arenas' $80mill contract in these economic conditions and given Gil's horrendous reputation nationally.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"He doesn't like to be the facilitator of the offense"

Oops, I meant he doesn't like to be the main cog of the offense.

Posted by: psps23 | June 30, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

MATT BARNES. Tough, 4 million approximately. Fits the new mould of defensive minded.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 30, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

just find it hard to believe there are many owners out there looking to take on Arenas' $80mill contract in these economic conditions and given Gil's horrendous reputation nationally.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

CHECK, and double check!!!!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 30, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I would have loved to get Barnes, but he has no interest in coming here with contenders apparently interested in him:

"Orlando Magic starting small forward Matt Barnes'(notes) first preference as a free agent would be to try to win a title without needing to pack for another move. But if he doesn't re-sign with the Magic, Barnes said Monday that he believes there are options for him - with other contenders. Before signing with the Magic last summer, Barnes said the Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks and San Antonio Spurs were among the heavyweights who showed interest and he feels he's still on their lists.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

DAVID LEE, MATT BARNES and J.J. REDICK. How do we fit them under the cap and use the exception? I can't see it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 30, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I could definately see them pursuing Yao if he stays healthy.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 30, 2010 3:14 PM

7'6", 310 lbs, 30 years old in 2011, bad feet. no.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I just find it hard to believe there are many owners out there looking to take on Arenas' $80mill contract in these economic conditions and given Gil's horrendous reputation nationally.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Agreed...but I liken it to the cold war. When one team gets weapon (i.e. Lebron), another team will get another weapon (Bosh/Wade, etc.) However, it is looking more like Bosh may team up with either Lebron or Wade. This is going to put other teams (like Orlando) in a crunch. To win a championship, they have to add a piece to keep up with the other teams. Out of desperation, they trade for Gil

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

is miller having to be begged to shoot the ball any different in pricnipal than Gil having to be begged to play defense?

meanwhile MM gets free pass after free pass,

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Not really any different no. The perception is that shooting is more of a selfish act whereas defense is more of a team act, so that's probably part of it.

But I don't recall Miller getting a free pass. Everyone, even those who like him, grilled him about not shooting enough.

Also, by the end of the season, he was shooting more. So, instead of 3 or 4 years or lip service to playing better D and not doing it. Miller started doing what the coaches asked within the same season.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Out of desperation, they trade for Gil

Sincerely, that is TRUE desperation.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 30, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

tony allen?

Posted by: Blurred | June 30, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

some body sent in a post a few day's ago about some website had childress to the wiz. a done deal or was it just a rumor?

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"I heard that he really didn't want to pad meaningless stats on a losing team, which led to his reluctance to take over games."

The lengths people go to to make excuses for this guy are mind-boggling. Miller must be the nicest guy in the league or something.

Posted by: divi3

Don't know if I'd go that far, but I'm definitely not buying that excuse either.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

some body sent in a post a few day's ago about some website had childress to the wiz. a done deal or was it just a rumor?

Posted by: dakel76

Can't be a done deal. Technically they can't even negotiate with him until tomorrow (July 1) and can't sign him until July 8th. And even after they sign him, Atlanta has the right to match the offer.

There was one report from a Greek newspaper / website saying that that's where Childress was going to end up.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious? The reason they are trying to get rid of Gil now is because they don't want him to rub off onto J-Wall. Second, his value may be lower now, but what if he performs poorly? Then his value will decrease tremendously and then, no one will definitely want to pay for Gil. Third, Gil is 28...the closer he inches to 30 (and surpasses 30), his value will drop way lower. Fourth, Rick Bucher off ESPN says there is significant interest in him right now; so that means there may be decent value for a guy who has barely played in 3 years, coming off a serious knee injury. This may be the best time if any to move Gil and his $80 mil contract.

They are trying to build around Wall, and Gilbert is just not an ideal piece. They need a more traditional 2 to play off him (hopefully someone that can play an ounce of D)

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

First off, to make the assumption that Gil is going to rub of on Walls is in fact saying That John Wall's only roll model to follow on the team or in the NBA is Gil. That's absurd!

Secondly, is Gilbert Arenas really as bad as people make him out to be? We all know he's a 'goof ball' but come on, he ain't the 'gangsta' many of the bloger's make him out to be. Last I checked, we were trying to assess basketball talent, not who would make John Wall's best buddy! It would be best, if we stuck to the subject of B Ball talent, for I don't think none of us can say we are perfect at judging character.

Peace,

Posted by: bazteal | June 30, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Thank's ts35. and do any body think Nick Young will be a solid nba player.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, in terms of Guards, his choices are Kirk Hinrich, Nick Young and Gil. Management brought in Kirk for him to play that mentor role. No one is talking about being "buddy buddy".

And no, his gun toting side is only part of the things he did. How about his distaste for playing defense (which he abhorrently said "takes away from his offense"). How about getting into verbal disputes with Eddie Jordan, Caron Butler, the training staff (which he siad didn't properly monitor his injury even though he tried to rehab on his own) etc. Yes, if it means to not expose John Wall to this kind of behavior, then trade Gil. No one is talking about him being a gangsta. It's about being a professional. The one aspect Gil brings is a supreme work ethic. Everything else can go...

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Thank's ts35. and do any body think Nick Young will be a solid nba player.

Posted by: dakel76

He has the talent to be. The question has always been his mindset, consistency, and work ethic (although from the outside we don't know how hard he works).

I think he made progress toward the end of last season. I think bringing in more players with a defensive mindset may help him get his focus where it needs to be, but time will tell.

No question he can drop in 20-30 on any given night. Lots of guys hang around in the NBA because they can do that, despite whatever other issues they may have.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

If not let's trade him out of here Nick Young i mean. i see sign's but he's to inconsistent for me. by the time he get's it his best year's will be, behind him.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

As long as Gilbert doesn't poop in Wall's shoe I think there won't be any problems with them getting along.
It's like anywhere else that you work you don't have to like your co worker you just have to work with him. If you don't work with him then you don't get paid. Gil want's to be paid. The better he gets along this year will pay off for him in the long run.

Just to be safe I think Wall should keep his shoes locked up.

Posted by: VBFan | June 30, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Gil is a mercurial dude...I hope he learned to be a bit more of a professional...I have no idea however...

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

funny how MM is a hero for playing hurt and Gil gets ragged on for trying to come back and getting hurt again. i guess if he'd dragged his leg around the court the way MM dragged his dead arm/strained calf around; all the while scoring a whopping 10ppg, people would like him more

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

it's not so much them getting along but wall being influenced by arenas. wall seems like a pretty solid kid so it might be much ado about nothing. the only way i see friction between those two is if arenas can't function without dominating the ball and demands more minutes at pg. i don't think anyone knows how this will play out.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I think we give NY another year to see what he has, but that's it. And if the meantime, someone wants to trade us a future pick and proven 3 starter for NY to increase cap space, I wouldn't be hurt if EG pulled the trigger.

Posted by: Blurred | June 30, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

on nick young, whatever happened to his rip hamilton role on offense? didn't see too much of that from him, despite all the pre-season hype, even after flip let him out of the doghouse in april.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse


funny how MM is a hero for playing hurt and Gil gets ragged on for trying to come back and getting hurt again. i guess if he'd dragged his leg around the court the way MM dragged his dead arm/strained calf around; all the while scoring a whopping 10ppg, people would like him more

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2010
4:32 PM | Report abuse
you are missing the point...he did this despite of the trainers warnings. Then he caused more damage (instead of it being a 6 month injury, it became almost a 3 year injury)and then threw all of the trainers under the bus even though he decided to push himself...

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I still would have loved to have gotton James Anderson at 17. him and Wall would have been a dynamic duo four year's to come. he could have played sg behind Gil and give us a better defensive option when we play team's with a bigger two gaurd. or he could move two the three with kis size when Gil was on the floor. he can shoot over any body and give us another legit scoring threat.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

on nick young, whatever happened to his rip hamilton role on offense? didn't see too much of that from him, despite all the pre-season hype, even after flip let him out of the doghouse in april.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Simple as that, he started the season very cold on offense.

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

What scares me about Gil is that in reality he has no motivation to play better, be a better teamate, or take a secondary role. Nothing. He's been PAID and nothing is going to change that. He could be the league MVP this season and he wont earn anymore money (ok, endorsements but you get my point).

I used to work in an industry where everyone established a "f&ck you" fund. A pile of enough cash in the bank so that at the drop of a hat, you could tell the owner to piss off and walk out the door (if conditions were intolerable). Not that Gil walks out the door, but just how much incentive does he have to put up with EG if he feels rubbed the wrong way? How about when he feels Flip is treating him a certain way based on hidden instructions from Ernie? And on and on.

The organization is in the unenviable position of owing Gil all the money and him not having that much incentive to be more than an adequate employee. Ok, he wants to win so there's that. But nobody sees this team winning in the next few years, so his incentive becomes playing well enough to be traded to a team that can win....knowing all the while that he could just as easily be traded to a cellar dwellar?

Giving Gil that $120mill deal put the keys to the org in his hands, and while Leonsis certainly has the keys now....Gil's still sportin a spare set!

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Giving Gil that $120mill deal put the keys to the org in his hands, and while Leonsis certainly has the keys now....Gil's still sportin a spare set!

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 4:47 PM

shaq made a spare set of gilbert's keys so what's the diff? *wink*

seriously, i think it comes down to whether or not gil feels he has something to prove. if he does, we'll probably get his best effort. he might not be doing it for us, the fans, but who cares--i'll take the results.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Sign Childress and fill out the rest of the roster with minimum salary-type guys. Should be lots of them considering all the roster purges due to the LeBron chase. Then trade Gil for a big expiring contract and a good young player/draft picks to be used next season. Might only win 30 games this year, but would set us up nicely for future seasons.

Posted by: akmed0 | June 30, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Not gonna happen. Miller will get offers from better caliber teams and the even if he doesn't, it's becoming very clear that, aside from 1st round picks, Ted and Co. have no intention of doling out long-term contracts to anybody this summer.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

i didn't miss the point. I just see a lil something that you don't. When MM first got hurt, Flip didn't pull him and he didn't ask to come out. The shoulder sidelined him a lil bit. He tried to play on the calf, and hurt it worse than it was hurt before and ended up missing about a month of ball. Now Mm didn't blame anyone, but at the same time he wasn't trying to validate his $100M contract either. And in no way shape or form has MM EVER been the ballplayer that Gil has, at least not for folks from DC. For MM to have all of these folks circling the wagons for him is a lil disappointing. That's all I'm saying.

Gil is a scorer. He should be able to play defense, but his 30+, 40+, or 50+ or even 60+ more than cover for the 20+ the other teams guard gets. I know that's not how it really works, but my point is that Gil is a scorer and when healthy he scores with the best of them. MM is a shooter, but for some reason his coach has to beg him to shoot.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

re: Nick Young. Backcourt sure looks crowded right now and I could certainly see Flip disappearing NY for smiling before the season even starts preferring to give Hinrich 35mins/night at all costs. But....

You'd think if Young plays D the way Flip wants him to he'll have no trouble being more effective than Kirk at the 2 spot. Hell, probably more effective than Gil at the 2 when Wall is on the floor. IMO, Nick is better suited to playing with Wall than either Gil or Hinrich is.

If the softy culture is gone, perhaps it will finally bring out the best in NY. If it doesnt, he's on his way out.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Second tier? Are you kidding, Mike Miller? Joe Johnson is a second tier guy. You have a ways to go to reach the third tier.

Posted by: original_mark | June 30, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"You'd think if Young plays D the way Flip wants him to he'll have no trouble being more effective than Kirk at the 2 spot."

No, I wouldn't think that because (A) Young has never shown the propensity to play D the way anyone wants him to and (B) if defense is the tipping point, Hinrich wins the battle in a walk because he comes in with a hard-earned rep as one of the best on-the-ball defensive guards in the NBA.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Miller's interview on Comcast last night (or night before) painted a different picture than this write-up. In it, Miller was half-joking that he was a hitcher standing by side of the road with his thumb out hoping for a ride (contract). I dont think he expects his door beaten down from contending teams, and he seemed to be genuinely appreciative of the fact Wiz are showing any interest in trying to keep him. Obviously the guy has to cover his bases, but it was a distinct change of tone from the "i'm outta here" we recently heard

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

No, I wouldn't think that because (A) Young has never shown the propensity to play D the way anyone wants him to and (B) if defense is the tipping point, Hinrich wins the battle in a walk because he comes in with a hard-earned rep as one of the best on-the-ball defensive guards in the NBA.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 5:23 PM

Young did play the way Flip wanted him to towards the end of last year and was rewarded with more PT in the last month. He proceeded to score 17pts/night on 45%FG which is exactly why D wouldnt be the tipping point but rather just what he has to do well to stay on the floor.

And if you're really expecting Hinrich to be one of the league's elite perimeter defenders for us, you're going to need to sign him from a time machine circa 2006. At this point he's more effort and tenacity than effectiveness when guarding 2s (which is still a very positive addition to the complete lack thereof we've had around here).

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

". . . D wouldnt be the tipping point but rather just what he has to do well to stay on the floor."

And what, exactly do you think the phrase "tipping point" means?

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse


Which puts him at least two qualities ahead of Young on the defensive scale.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

And Young wasn't "rewarded" with much of anything. He did have a run of 35+ minute games in the last two weeks of the season, but that was primarily because Randy Foye was hurt and Flip didn't have any other/better options.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

If you'd stop letting your disdain for Young blind you, you'd realize you're advocating for a 6'3" 190 pound 2guard. How often does that work in the nba? I know you dismiss any stats unless they support your point, but last year Hinrich was not appreciably better defensively than Young AT THE 2 POSITION.

My point was that if NY puts forth the defensive effort that Flipper wants (as he did towards end of last year), he should be able to see the floor. Why? Because when his head is in the game, he's a better 2GUARD than Hinrich.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Nick is a better finisher and 3-point shooter than Hinrich. I also agree with divi3 that Nick's game may finally flourish playing next to an elite PG. By this time next year it'll be obvious whether he gets an extension so let's give NY a longer leash to see if he can shine.
If he blows it then let him walk.

You pretty much know what you're getting with Kirk so why retard Nick's growth if the full scale rebuild is on?

Posted by: elfreako | June 30, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"If you'd stop letting your disdain for Young blind you, you'd realize you're advocating for a 6'3" 190 pound 2guard."

It you'd stop letting your ridiculous man-crush on Young blind you, you'd realize you're advocating for a guy whose career-defining characteristic has been his uncanny ability to play his way out of the rotation over a proven vet with a history of contributing on good teams.

"How often does that work in the nba?"

How long has Hinrich been in the league?

"I know you dismiss any stats unless they support your point, but last year Hinrich was not appreciably better defensively than Young AT THE 2 POSITION."

In order for me to dismiss stats you'd actually have to present some. You have some stats that prove Young was better defensively than Hinrich last season (as opposed to the last two weeks of the season)? Let's see 'em. (This ought to be good.)

"My point was that if NY puts forth the defensive effort that Flipper wants (as he did towards end of last year), he should be able to see the floor. Why? Because when his head is in the game, he's a better 2GUARD than Hinrich."

That paragraph had more conditional text than than the incentive clauses in Albert Haynesworth's contract. And, of course, Young has never proven himself capable of meeting any of said conditions for any sustained period.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Because after 3 years and numerous chances that he's failed to capitalize on, you know what you're getting with Young as well.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

If you'd stop letting your disdain for Young blind you, you'd realize you're advocating for a 6'3" 190 pound 2guard.

Actually, they made a mistake at the Combine. Hinrich is actually 6'6" (sorry, couldn't resist).

I know you dismiss any stats unless they support your point, but last year Hinrich was not appreciably better defensively than Young AT THE 2 POSITION.

Based on what stats? Just askin.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

It ain't all about 'D' with Nick kal. He brings some freaky intagibles to the table.

Weren't the Wizards like 15-8 when he played 20+ minutes last season? That's 15 of the teams's 26 wins for the record.

He totally outplayed DWade IN Miami on November 27th. How many 2s can say they did that? I bet Hinrich can't.

It's more a confidence thing with Nick as you already know. Stop playing mind games with the guy Flip and let him work through the process.

For a guy who loves playing 1-on-1 so much I refuse to believe he can't play very good on the ball defense.

Posted by: elfreako | June 30, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Based on what stats? Just askin.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 6:12 PM

82games.com has Hinrich at negative vs opposition PGs and SGs for last season. So is Nick, but as I said roughly same as Hinrich

It's not 2006 when Hinrich was 2nd team all-nba defense. He's going to be below average at guarding the league's 2s and get into a lot of foul trouble if he's given the assigment too often (not his fault, he's a 6'3" PG for reals)....whereas with a little effort, young Nicholas is a more natural fit for the assignment and he can score.

Hopefully Flip is smarter than Kal and doesnt think we need to run a 6'3" PG at the 2 position so as to hold a grudge or whatever

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

It ain't all about 'D' with Nick kal. He brings some freaky intagibles to the table.

Weren't the Wizards like 15-8 when he played 20+ minutes last season? That's 15 of the teams's 26 wins for the record.

Posted by: elfreako

Intangibles? We're talking about *Nick* Young, right?

They were actually 14-19 when Nick played 20+ mins. A better win % than their overall percentage, but not exactly 15-8.

It's more a confidence thing with Nick as you already know. Stop playing mind games with the guy Flip and let him work through the process.

But if he had freaky intangibles, it shouldn't matter should it? How about being a professional, so the coach doesn't have to worry about what kind of game you'll bring every night?

He totally outplayed DWade IN Miami on November 27th. How many 2s can say they did that? I bet Hinrich can't.

LaBradford Smith once 'dropped' 35 on Michael Jordan, which means exactly the same thing.

For a guy who loves playing 1-on-1 so much I refuse to believe he can't play very good on the ball defense.

He plays adequate on the ball defense. He plays terrible off the ball and team defense.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Resign Miller for what? They did not use him right last year.

What about Josh Howard?

What happened to the Wiz having $20 million available for free agents. They just gave up that $20M to make moves for Hinrich and Yi? Seriously? And there are folks talking about the Wiz making the playoffs next year. wiz fans get real.

What about the Wiz pursuing the former GM of the Portland Trailblazers.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 30, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

82games.com has Hinrich at negative vs opposition PGs and SGs for last season. So is Nick, but as I said roughly same as Hinrich

It's not 2006 when Hinrich was 2nd team all-nba defense. He's going to be below average at guarding the league's 2s and get into a lot of foul trouble if he's given the assigment too often (not his fault, he's a 6'3" PG for reals)....whereas with a little effort, young Nicholas is a more natural fit for the assignment and he can score.

Hopefully Flip is smarter than Kal and doesnt think we need to run a 6'3" PG at the 2 position so as to hold a grudge or whatever

Posted by: divi3

Well, we'll pretty much be running a 6'3" SG there most of the minutes anyway (unless you're disputing Gil's height).

My problem with the 82 games type stats is that it's more or less a one to one, position to position comparison. It wouldn't take into account (how can it) how much an individual contributes to team defense.

Like, say if Young is at the top of the key on offense, but fails to get back on D, and the opposing SF or PF scores on break he was supposed to cover (as tends to happen to him), that doesn't go on Young's sheet. Or if Young is supposed to switch on a pick, but doesn't....you get my point.

Point being, one has a history of being a good to great defender, while you're hoping the other gives a 'little effort' consistency, that heretofore, he has not proven he will do.

I say get them both on the court and actually prove it there.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Lets trade Stephen Strasburg @ 2/3...

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"My problem with the 82 games type stats is that it's more or less a one to one, position to position comparison. It wouldn't take into account (how can it) how much an individual contributes to team defense."

That's true, but Kal specifically stated "one of the best on-the-ball defensive guards in the nba" and the 82game stat was in regards to that. I'm pretty sure that Wizards fans expecting CaptKirk to be locking down opposition 2s and hitting spot-up Js are in for a disappointment. He's always had a streaky J at best (like so many PGs) and is way undersized to handle SGs these days. The guy is PG and a very solid one.

Which leads me back to the start of this, simply that if NY is going to evolve into the player we want this year- he'll be able to beat out Hinrich for minutes at 2. Hardly a groundbreaking assertion I dont think.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

That's true, but Kal specifically stated "one of the best on-the-ball defensive guards in the nba" and the 82game stat was in regards to that

Which is fine, except that Nick's statistical picture is muddier than that. Did he only play less when the matchup wasn't in his favor? How does the early hook affect his stats?

Which leads me back to the start of this, simply that if NY is going to evolve into the player we want this year- he'll be able to beat out Hinrich for minutes at 2. Hardly a groundbreaking assertion I dont think.

Posted by: divi3

Nope, but not exactly a guaranteed one either. My money's on Hinrich harrassing him in training camp into a two-month long funk, which hopefully he recovers from.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

John wall to wear number 2 next year!!!

Posted by: 11Wall | June 30, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Nope, but not exactly a guaranteed one either. My money's on Hinrich harrassing him in training camp into a two-month long funk, which hopefully he recovers from.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 7:07 PM

Mine's on Flip playing Hinrich regardless of whether NY outperforms him or not. Kirk is what, 30? Vet of all vets on this squad.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

The big market will start soon.
What is going to happen?
I think LJ will either stay in ohio or go to NJ for future sucess, friendship and future wealth.Either AS or Boozer will sign with him.
toronto is working hard for sign and trade,if miami decide to do so,Bosh will bank in 6 year ontract to join wade,the point is how could they pass orlando?I think orland will make changes,they are interested to improve the back court offense,could it be Arenas?
chicago will pick the left over ,either AS or boozer and possibly JJ.If new york fail to land one of the top 5 players i would see them acting like a rabid dog and put the team in another problem by signing washed up players with big contract, i wish they could take Arenas.

Posted by: gtefferra | June 30, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I go to the same physical therapist as a 2 team teammate of Mike and he said Mike was gone half way through the season.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | June 30, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'll call it now.

EG will attempt to resign BTH.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 30, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Miller is a bum and I doubt anyone is looking to sign him. He will get league min at best. Also if Wiz go after the cancer named Haywood that would be a big mistake. Dallas figured that out and they do not want him back. Why do you think his minutes disappeared.

The Wiz had a bad team the last 3 yrs with Gil, Butler, Jamison, then throw in Miller and Foye. There is no way you can look at that group and say they were going to win. The current team with a few new pieces is much better that what we had.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 30, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Who would send their kids to Nick Young's basketball camp? Nick Young doesn't have any basketball IQ.

Posted by: Roman5 | June 30, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he meant the same camp Nick is attending to try to learn how to play?

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I am baffled by the fan vote results. How is Mike Miller winning, is it because the article is about him and he's fresh in people's minds? He is getting older and didn't do what we needed him to last year. How does Foye get a 0% when he is pretty much equal value to Miller at this point? I voted for Josh Howard as he seems like an OBVIOUSLY better choice at SF, but mayeb people are worried he'll cost more? It wont be that much more, and he should be winning this poll with 100% honestly.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | June 30, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Cartier Martin has the best shot of making the team. The downside is a full season of Phil and Buck telling the story of how Cartier got his name.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 30, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Richard Jefferson opted out of his $15 million contract. San Antonio wins again.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 30, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Josh Howard as he seems like an OBVIOUSLY better choice at SF, but mayeb people are worried he'll cost more?

Posted by: bosshog7169

Or maybe it's that whole torn-up knee thing.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Miller is a class act who could have asked to be moved at the trade deadline. He'll get some mid-level exception offers from contenders who need a spot up shooter. It sounds like he's tied in pretty well with LeBron and Joe Johnson so his destination appears tied to them. If LeBron ends up in Miami with D. Wade, that would be a logical spot for Miller who played at Florida. I wish him well and am glad to see he didn't burn any bridges.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 30, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Mike Miller is meeting with the Knicks first thing tomorrow along with Joe Johnson. Typically bums don't get wooed right off the bat. Miller will get a nice chunk of someones mid-level exception. Looks like the Hawks are going to throw a max deal JJ's way. Sounds nice until you realize they will be paying a 35 year old JJ close to $25mil 6 years from now. Ouch.

Posted by: akmed0 | June 30, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what is funnier, that Miller got the most votes, or that fact that he now says he is open to coming back.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 30, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"Which leads me back to the start of this, simply that if NY is going to evolve into the player we want this year- he'll be able to beat out Hinrich for minutes at 2. Hardly a groundbreaking assertion I dont think."

Which leads me back to the start of this. Simply, saying that Young will be better than Hinrich if he plays up to his ability consistently is meaningless drivel, because nothing in Young's history provides much reason to think that he'll do that this season, because he's consistently proven himself incapable of/unwilling to do so. And until he does, Hinrich is a better/more proven option as the first guard off the bench.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"Kirk is what, 30?"

And Young is 26, meaning he's about run out of "young guy still figuring things out" rope.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

EDIT/TYPO:

Make that "Young is 25."

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

And until he does, Hinrich is a better/more proven option as the first guard off the bench.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 10:03 PM

Who said any different?

How come you didnt refute the defensive stats you requested? What happened to your argument about Hinrich's status as one of the league's premier "on-the-ball defenders"?

Better to not respond at all than to refute an argument no one else made just for the sake of having appeared to prove a point.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

"Why do you think [Haywood's] minutes disappeared."

I'm no Haywaood fan, but your opinion seems without foundation. Looks like Dallas is launching a strong effort to keep him. From ESPN Dallas about 8 hours ago:

"Acquired in the February trade from Washington, the 7-foot Haywood will have other suitors, and his price tag might ultimately become too rich for the Mavs. However, president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson provided one key assurance for Haywood: He will enter next season as the team's starter even if Erick Dampier remains on the roster."

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I would be proud to send my child to nick young camp, young excite the kid's with his skill's and young have a great fan base in LA.

Posted by: maejude | July 1, 2010 2:19 AM | Report abuse

One Word. SINGLETON

Posted by: DelMar2 | July 1, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

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