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Randy Foye to become unrestricted free agent

Randy Foye will become an unrestricted free agent on Thursday after a source with knowledge of the Wizards' thinking confirmed that the team will not extend the $4.8 million qualifying offer. Had the Wizards tendered the qualifying offer, they would've had first right of refusal if Foye signed an offer sheet with another team. Now Foye, the seventh pick of the 2006 NBA draft, will be free to sign with the team of his choice when the free agent negotiating period begins.


I'm free to go. (AP Photo)

Foye, 26, became expendable when the Wizards drafted John Wall with the No. 1 overall pick and reached an agreement to acquire Kirk Hinrich from Chicago last Thursday. The source added that the Wizards still have interest in Foye, but not at the price of his qualifying offer. With the team committing nearly $30 million to point guards, Foye is unlikely to return.

Foye was acquired along with Mike Miller from Minnesota in a pre-draft deal for the No. 5 overall pick last year. He averaged 10.1 points, 3.3 assists and 1.9 rebounds in a topsy-turvy season in Washington. Miller, 30, is also an unrestricted free agent, but has not closed the door on returning to the Wizards, although he said he would like to play for a contender. If both players depart, the Wizards would have nothing to show from their franchise-worst 19-win season in 2008-09. Minnesota used the fifth pick in 2009 on Spanish point guard Ricky Rubio, who stayed in Europe.

For the first time in his four-year career, Foye's production did not increase from the previous season. Foye never found a comfort zone in Coach Flip Saunders's system and his role changed several times. He started the season as a backup for point guard Gilbert Arenas, then started at shooting guard before briefly falling out of the rotation after spraining his right ankle. He returned to the starting lineup at shooting guard and later became the starting point guard after Arenas was suspended for his gun incident. He eventually was replaced by Shaun Livingston and finished as a reserve. His season ended in March when he had surgery to repair a torn ligament in his left wrist. Foye also had his left knee scoped a few weeks after the regular season.


By Michael Lee  |  June 28, 2010; 9:14 PM ET
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"I didn't feel like there was anybody at the five spot who could fit into our rotation," Grunfeld said. "I don't think there are any guarantees in the draft and people are saying this is a weaker draft than normal, so for us to be able to turn the No. 5 pick into two players who can help us immediately and help us for years to come, we felt very good about it."

Grunfeld added that it wasn't necessary to wait and see which player fell to the team at No. 5. "We knew who was going to be at the five spot and we felt that these players were going to help us a lot more than anybody we would've gotten in the draft," Grunfeld said. "A lot of times what happens, when you wait on situations, the other team might get better offers along the way. Then the trade might go away. We felt good about this."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062403397.html


FAIL!

Posted by: closg | June 28, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey closg,

Even a blind man could see that this move did not work out. But, so called basketball experts and analysts praised these moves when they were made.
What had occured during the last 30 years under Abe Pollin was a travesty that resulted so called experts continually using the Bullets/Wizards as an example of management ineptidude.
So, other than moving away from mistakes, what is your point? What is your idea to make this team better? Or are you just a dick?

Posted by: MDterpfan | June 28, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Randy is a solid pro. I have a funny feeling he'll end up playing with the Nets next season. They cut Dooling so they definitely need a backup guard.

The 2009 draft will go down as a complete and utter failure once Mike Miller signs with another team. Instead of Steph Curry and DeJuan Blair, two strong building blocks, they got nothing.

I realize the Wiz got rid of Etan's contract, a bust in Pech and Songaila but as Michael Lee stated that team won 19 games and has nothing to show for it.

Painful.

Posted by: elfreako | June 28, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

FAIL!

So, EG lets two players walk (Mike Miller & Foye) that he traded for the 5th pick, Etan Thomas, Darius, and Opech.

Of those 3 players, EG was directly responsible for signing ET for $40 mil (above market), DSong for $25 mil (and missed first 45 games with bad back) and drafting OPech.

WTF?

As I've said, EG's been good at signing or drafting players, and then either letting them walk or trading them for more players that he's going to let walk later.

What a waste!

Wake up Teddy!

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=4448

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 28, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse


As much as it pains me to say this, Grunfeld did the right thing by letting Foye go. He's not worth the tender. Foye is a 6'1" SG who is a disaster guarding any backcourt position. He's not a PG by any stretch of the imagination as his ballhandling is average and he has no quickness to speak of. He creates too many negative mismatches on defense. The Wizards are saying they'd like him back, but they don't. They already have two undersized, overpaid SGs (Arenas, Hinrich) on the roster. There's no chance you'll see Foye in a Wizards uniform again.

But let it be known: Ernie threw away our 5th pick last year when he traded for Foye and Miller. He's paid to assess talent and he thought Foye was a lottery level player. Foye was supposed to be the young player on the rise and it is plain to see that he is a man without a position. This falls squarely on Ernie's shoulders.

Posted by: harrybalz | June 28, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Foye shoots the 3 well enough to be successful paired w/ a ball dominant 2 guard. The Lakers could use him.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 28, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Good grief.
Leonsis should fire Grunfeld on the spot if he so much as says hi to Minnesota T'Wolves' David Kahn again. Kahn is apparently operating on a higher level than our "Ernest". Now I'm starting to wonder about this Booker kid we paid a tidy ransom for.

Posted by: Firuz1 | June 28, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

What a complete bust of a trade.

The 5th overall pick and you wind up, a year later, with nothing? A couple of ordinary seasons from two guys in a 19-win season. That's it?

Grunfeld really needs to be hammered on this one.

Posted by: SteveMG | June 28, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Only people that new the Wizards team with the big 3 was not a real championship caliber team realize how poor a GM Grunfeld is. the weakness of the Wiz has been toughness, physicality and defense since Eddie Jordan was coach. EJ did a masterful job masking it with great offense. The trade for miller and Foye added nothing but more offense to the team. Grunfeld is duping the Wiz by constantly taking players that are projects versus players with skills. I'll buy into Booker, but the other 2 guys will provide what? they are not ready for the NBA.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 28, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Also, I still think Grunfeld sabotaged Eddie Jordan. He fired him with a decimated lineup saying he thought the team was still better than they played, yet installed a coach with no NBA experience.

And last year the Curry kid was still available at #5. glad they did not waste time with Rubio but there was talent the Wiz could have used not to mention Dejuan Blair was still available when the 2nd round pick came up.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 29, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Blatche was unsure when the injury actually occurred since he had been working out, walking around and playing at Barry Farm with some pain in his foot. When the pain became unbearable after an awkward landing at Verizon Center, the fracture in his fifth metatarsal was discovered.

Sounds like we have the same medical staff and trainers?

Why didn't someone check him out when he first started feeling some pain?


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

"He's paid to assess talent and he thought Foye was a lottery level player. Foye was supposed to be the young player on the rise and it is plain to see that he is a man without a position. This falls squarely on Ernie's shoulders.

Posted by: harrybalz | June 28, 2010 10:44 PM"

Yup. I swear Foye is closer to 5'10" than 6'1" and the fact his stats have gone up every season may be attributable to getting green lit by Mchale for various reasons. Watching him play up close this year, it was immediately obvious that he decides whether he'll shoot or pass before the action unfolds and that's that.

None of that means he's a terrible player, but he is limited to an extent you'd wish EG had picked up on.

Which makes me wary we may have been sold a bill of goods with Hinrich as we're all expecting the player we saw a few years ago, while some reports out of Chicago speak of a guy who is now long on grit and hustle but short on effectiveness. Let's hope not!

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

"...EG was directly responsible for signing ET for $40 mil (above market)"

And for perspective, from the TruthAboutIt site:

"Seems kinda silly now that the swan song of a 6-year, $36.8 million contract offered to Etan by Milwaukee, and matched by the Wizards in the Summer of ‘04, included a player early termination option. Like Etan was going to raise his value to the point where he would turn down $7+ million for a chance at a bigger payday."

"Hindsight makes it easy to chide Grunfeld for matching, but the free-agent market forced his hand. Big name posts like Rasheed Wallace (re-signed with Detroit for 5-yrs, $57 mil), Carlos Boozer (signed with Utah for 6-yrs, $68 mil), Erick Dampier (Golden State sign-and-trade to Dallas for 7-yrs, $73 mil), Kenyon Martin (New Jersey sign-and-trade to Denver for 7-yrs, $91 mil) and Mehmet Okur (signed with Utah for 6-yrs, $50 mil) were getting huge contracts (the Wizards only showed passing interest in Dampier)."

"Low-level guys like Adonal Foyle (6-yrs, $51 mil from Golden State) and Brian Cardinal (6-yrs, $33.8 mil from Memphis) were getting absurd contracts. Hell, even Mark Blount was a hot commodity, eventually resigning with Boston at the rate of 6-years and $38.6 million."

"Decent bigs were scarce and after making a great move to snag Antawn Jamison from Dallas on draft night, Grunfeld wasn’t exactly comfortable with Brendan Haywood, Kwame Brown, and ‘04 2nd round pick Peter John Ramos holding down the paint. Etan, and his third highest team PER, was decidedly a risk worth taking (Michael Ruffin and Samaki Walker would later ink cheap contracts to fill out the front-court)."

"So don’t necessarily blame Grunfeld, blame low supply and high demand raising prices. A past overpaid, but relatively unavoidable, contract, made worse by Etan’s health issues (including those before surgery to repair a leaky aortic valve), is our expiring asset today. Yes, I’m telling you to take it as a silver lining."

"It’s really a shame, because Thomas has many qualities which would have made him a great role player, perhaps the second big off the bench, had he been fully healthy during the entire four-year postseason run. But these are our Washington Wizards and things just wouldn’t be right if they always came easy."

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Foye was 25 when Grunfeld traded for him. At that age you know if someone has star trajectory or not, and Foye had proven that he had not. If Grunfeld truly meant what he said about getting a lottery-quality player in Foye, then it was a huge misjudgement. One could argue the real value was getting rid of bad contracts, which is fine until you realize it was Grunfeld who penned all three of them. One could also argue that the trade was to make a last, Celtics-esque veterans push with the 'Big Three'. If so, that was perhaps the greatest error in judgement, with even Grunfeld forced to admit as much (calling the team 'stale') before blowing the team up and all evidence of his shoddy work with it. At every angle the trade of the #5 lottery pick was a huge mistake and emblematic of deep personnel miscalculations on a team Grunfeld was solely responsible for assembling. He remains the Gordon Hayward of NBA, still in charge despite making an awful muck of things. Leonsis needs to move past the I'm OK You're OK book-toting, Kumbaya chant & group-hug-inducing era of ownership transfer, and take the steering wheel as Owner. I can only hope he has simply been waiting for the draft to finish before ditching Grunfeld, as he had so little time before it to assemble a new personnel team.

Posted by: SammyT1 | June 29, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

"DSong for $25 mil (and missed first 45 games with bad back)"

Wikipedia says it was 23 million over 5 years. Here's the rest:

"He missed the first 45 games after a surgery for a herniated disc and averaged 7.6 points and 3.6 rebounds in 37 games (1 start).Songaila eventually became a big part of the Wizards' bench and an occasional starter. He averaged 6.2 points and 3.4 rebounds in 2007–08. At the end of the 2008–09 season, Songaila became a starter because of the injuries suffered by teammates Brendan Haywood and Andray Blatche. He started a career-high 29 games and averaged 7.4 points and 2.9 rebounds."

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Mike Miller is a team player and a very good pro. Randy Foye is a team player and a good pro. One restricted and one unrestricted---POOF both are now unrestricted as planned after one year with added We REALLY ARE DC 5th pick gift. Somehow Flip Saunders is faultless, while deserving extreme fault starting with season opener. Zero team discipline starts with one individual, the one hired and paided to lead and manage a visible pro organization. With or without the Arenas One, the team had good NBA players. The coach never showed a competitive heart. Case closed and blame one player.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | June 29, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

"Foye is a 6'1" SG who is a disaster guarding any backcourt position."posted by harrybalz"

"I swear Foye is closer to 5'10" than 6'1"" posted by divi3"

LOL I feel like I'm watching Fox News Channel here. According to the pre-draft measurements, Randy Foye is actually 6'2.25" in socks, 6'3.25" in shoes, and when drafted weighed 212lbs. He obviously needs to get some of those thick-soled Cole Aldrich sneaks so he can be 6'4".

In other words, unless he's shrunk, he's the same height as Russell Westbrook and 3/4" taller than Derrick Rose.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

When Arenas and Foye stood next to each other you could clearly see that Gilbert is taller and has a much larger frame. I am shocked at Foye's pre-draft measurements.

Foye is a poor defender. He's outta here!

Posted by: MeviousMan | June 29, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Big Ted, please go hire a real GM - Kevin Pritchard.

Posted by: BulletsFan1 | June 29, 2010 3:02 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Ray Allen, what did Grunfeld get for him when he traded him to Seattle from Milwaukee for Gary Payton? Milwaukee got Gary Payton for half a season and he had no intention of resigning. Seattle got Allen in his prime. Another Grunfeld blunder!

Posted by: oknow1 | June 29, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

oknow1

Didin't you know that the owner of the Bucks told him to trade Allen?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Speechless....the Wizards do need to go in another direction with the GM job. We need a vision that goes with the new quality ownership that we have.

Fact: Getting Randy Foye instead of Corey Brewer was simply a mistake.

Fact: Losing Mike Miller one year later along with Foye makes last year's trade hard to swallow.

Fact: Booker isn't better than DeJaun Blair and will not be better than 10/6 lifetime.

Fact: J. Wall needs consistent perimeter threats to be extremely effective on this level. We need non-dribbling shooters pronto!

Opinion: Go get Ray Allen. Let him teach Wall how to prepare for years of success in this league. After two years, invite him to be a part of the new coaching staff.

Posted by: karlw171 | June 29, 2010 4:48 AM | Report abuse

"I am shocked at Foye's pre-draft measurements."Posted by: MeviousMan"

Like I said, maybe somebody left him in the washer and he shrunk...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 5:17 AM | Report abuse

"Fact: Getting Randy Foye instead of Corey Brewer was simply a mistake."

OK ya got me: did the Wolves offer Brewer instead of Foye?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 5:21 AM | Report abuse

"Fact: Booker isn't better than DeJaun Blair and will not be better than 10/6 lifetime."

I'm pretty sure the definition of 'fact' doesn't include predictions about the future...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 5:25 AM | Report abuse

"Opinion: Go get Ray Allen. Let him teach Wall how to prepare for years of success in this league. After two years, invite him to be a part of the new coaching staff.
Posted by: karlw171"

From a Celts blog, as fans began to realize Ray wasn't what he once was (this is before that playoff game):

"This season, though, he hasn't been himself. His deep shooting -- 33.8 percent through Sunday -- is the lowest of his career...he hasn't come close to matching his production in the two previous seasons in Boston. It could be a protracted, 49-game slump of sorts. Or it could be age. Allen turns 35 in July, and he has many, many miles on his tires."

"As such, rumors indicate the Celtics are looking to turn Allen's expiring contract -- $18.7 million worth -- into a younger star, hoping to keep that championship window open a bit longer... "

"It's a brilliant idea. The Celtics' problems come on offense. Before, Allen's excellence helped Boston "get by" on that end. Now, he's part of the drain. Boston needs a two-guard to take up about one of every four or five shots while on the floor, and to hit the majority of them. Allen's shooting struggles have hurt that scheme, and Garnett's not in much of a position to help. But if Boston can get a shooting guard who can handle the shot-making duties, the defense (tops in the league through Sunday) can allow the Celtics to compete with anyone."

Nick Young?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 5:34 AM | Report abuse

"Big Ted, please go hire a real GM - Kevin Pritchard.Posted by: BulletsFan1"

That Portland scenario has to be one of the strangest ever. What do you think happened? Was it just the Oden draft pick? Or the losing in the playoffs? Here are excerpts from the long letter to the fans that Pritchard sent to the Oregonian after he was fired:

"Dear friends, It's incredibly difficult to find the words to convey just how lucky and grateful I am to have experienced what I have for the past seven years with the Portland Trail Blazers, but I felt it was important to try..First and foremost, I want to thank and salute Paul Allen. He is being unfairly characterized as a bad guy in all of this and that is completely inaccurate and totally unfair. We do not have Luke Babbitt, Elliot Williams, Armon Johnson and Ryan Gomes without an owner like Paul, just as we wouldn't have Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Nic Batum, Rudy Fernandez, Andre Miller or Greg Oden." Like any relationship ours has had a few bumps and bruises, but I would not be where I am today without Paul and for that I am eternally grateful and forever indebted to him. Parting ways is not the end of the world. Ultimately, it may not be a bad thing at all, but right now I know the emotions are pretty raw. But it doesn't serve anyone to bash the Trail Blazers or Paul. It is after all a business of tough decisions...let's turn the page, move on and keep our eye on the prize."
"None of this is to be taken too seriously. It is just basketball..."

"I'm glad I was able to play a small part in making that happen, but understand our comeback was a total team effort led by our owner and not me."

"I'll always look back fondly on Portland and the many great memories and all the lasting relationships I made here. Yes, ultimately, I'm tearfully sad to be leaving Portland and incredibly disappointed that I won't be able to help see..."

And so forth. It's a mystery, all right. What don't we know?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 5:51 AM | Report abuse

"POOF both are now unrestricted as planned after one year with added We REALLY ARE DC 5th pick gift. Somehow Flip Saunders is faultless, while deserving extreme fault starting with season opener. Zero team discipline starts with one individual, the one hired and paided to lead and manage a visible pro organization. With or without the Arenas One, the team had good NBA players. The coach never showed a competitive heart. Case closed and blame one player.Posted by: CTaylor42"

I admit I don't actually understand the above. Not that I don't agree with it, I just can't make heads or tails of it.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

That the Wizards allowed Randy Foye to become an unrestricted free agent is more due to the luck of getting the #1 pick and John Wall, than to anything else. Imagine if the Wizards had drafted at #4 this year. Everything would be different.

Randy Foye was drafted #7 overall in 2006. To me it is weird that some think he is less valuable as a player, with three years of pro experience, than he was when drafted in 2006. I know, it is that upside thing. Still, as his blurb on the Wizards website says, his actual performance had increased every year (until he came to the Wizards):

"Has increased his scoring average in each of three professional seasons, from 10.1 ppg in 2006-07, to 13.1 ppg in 08-08, to a career-high 16.3 points per game last season in Minnesota…Has also increased his assists per game average each season from 2.8 to 4.2 to 4.3 apg in 2008-09."

So in reality, isn't Randy Foye with three years' pro experience more valuable on the court than Randy Foye as a rookie?

Posted by: PostSubscriber | June 29, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Make these kids stay four years before you pick them. Simple as that! The game is watered down with the two and out.
That's why I say the NBA is do do.

The NBA just had an draft, most of the kids picked that night will not reach there potential. Will be setting on some one bench until a draft boot them out of the league.

Why do you have to wait until its playoffs before you see something close to what you saw in the 80's. ReallY that's what the NBA is build on, THE PAST!

Bring on the NFL another league living on its past.

Posted by: shamken | June 29, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Grunfeld has failed everywhere he's been. What makes anyone think he's going to all of a sudden act like he has a brain?

Posted by: nativedc | June 29, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Going into last season, the Wiz were looking at going into the 2010 FA market with little to no cap room. The Miller & Foye acquisition was as much about finances as it was about basketball. On the court it gave the team two guys that would complement the "Big Three" but the real key was that both guys were going to be free agents this year. That in combination with Haywood's free agency actually would have given the Wizards a good chunk of cap space heading into what was known to be the deepest free agent pool in years.

Once the wheels fell off the season, though, the Wizards seized the opportunity to fast forward the self-destruction and eventual rebuilding of this franchise.

Yes this season sucked but at least instead of going into the off-season with little hope, we've gone into this offseason with the number one pick in the draft, three promising rookies, an additional proven commodity AND a ton of capspace.

Now the road to potential recovery isn't all that bumpy is it? Just offering a bit of a positive perspective.

Posted by: NotoriousREG | June 29, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Unless they somehow land one of the Big 3 next month, this (Draft Day Trade '09) is utterly and completely unforgivable, and someone should pay for it with his job. Period. [Shaq]P-E-R-I-....D.[/Shaq]

Posted by: BMoreChil | June 29, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

That's a good comment NotoriousREG. Those two smelled real close to one year rentals at the time. Turned out to be true, although had the season started off and ended much more positively, who knows if both players would have been induced to stay?

Posted by: rickgonz | June 29, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

"Unless they somehow land one of the Big 3 next month, this (Draft Day Trade '09) is utterly and completely unforgivable, and someone should pay for it with his job."

Whether or not you (all of you out there carping) like the draft choices, they've been made. For all we know, the guy who matters (Leonsis) loves them.

At any rate, Leonsis has certainly made clear that he has absolutely no intention of spending big bucks on big-name free agents in the near future, so let's just stop bleating for them.

Posted by: nmik | June 29, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

So in reality, isn't Randy Foye with three years' pro experience more valuable on the court than Randy Foye as a rookie?

Posted by: PostSubscriber

Neither Foye is worth a dime. And don't blame his eventual departure on Wall. He was thought to be on his way out before we won the lottery because it would take $5 million to keep him restricted. He's not worth it. Did you watch him play last year? His defense is actually worse than Arenas' (just let that sink in for a moment), his handle is weak, the next time he beats his man on a dribble penetration move and finishes at the rim will be the first and he obviously paid off the guy who does official height measurements at the NBA combine. 6'2" barefoot? Right.

Posted by: Firuz1 | June 29, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

You are destroying Ernie for making a decision that at the time, with all of the hope and projection for the future, was sound. MM and Foye could play roles on a team with Championship hopes. Before the season started last year we were among them. We gave up Rubio for that. He is the real deal. I saw him tear up the court in Barcelona this year. I would love to have him, but prefer having John Wall who will play sooner in the NBA than our 5 pick.

Who would you have wanted? Hill? Not only did we get services from Miller and Foye to meet our hopes dashed shortly after the first great game in Dallas last year. We didn't know the team would self destruct. It was egos and teamwork we lacked, not talent. Those guys will round out championship level rosters next year (for a bargain) and we now how financial flexibility to rebuild with because Ernie had thought through what would happen if it did not work out. We are not locked into long expensive contracts. Stop moaning. The future looks bright under Ernie's leadership.

Posted by: yankeevicar | June 29, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

we've gone into this offseason with the number one pick in the draft, three promising rookies, an additional proven commodity AND a ton of capspace.

Posted by: NotoriousREG | June 29, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

NotoriousREG

we've gone into this offseason with the number one pick in the draft...

I agree

three promising rookies...

According to you and Ernie

an additional proven commodity...

Which has proven nothing so far in the NBA

AND a ton of capspace...

Which Ted has told us he foesn't plan on spending

Just offering a bit of a positive perspective...


I feel much better now, Give Ernie a raise

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 12:51 AM

Do you honestly believe that the fastest player at the combine was 6'7" 235 pounds? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Samson

The accounts I've read indicate that Kevin Pritchard was fired for not deflecting credit upward (praising the owner to no end when things went well) and for not falling on his own sword when something didn't work out. The letter that you cite seems to indicate that he learned his lesson a little too late.

Posted by: Firuz1 | June 29, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Didin't you know that the owner of the Bucks told him to trade Allen?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 3:27 AM | Report abuse

From his wheelchair?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | June 29, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

in one of the speed measurements, Booker tested out the fastest (clocking in faster than Wall by a few hundredths of a second). I think that just alludes to his superb athleticism for the position. It also helps that he has a 'beast' mentality' for the position (actually the french kid does too from all reports about him). He is just a bit shorter than most for the position (however, height can be compensated by longer arms, which he has. However, for comparisons sake, he tests out similar to a carl landry or paul millsap type of player. That would definitely be a great addition @ the end of the first round. The Wizards got a couple of nice pieces from the draft. Now the question is, how can they build on that (i do not have that much faith in EG in that regards however).

Posted by: merajc86 | June 29, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I truly don't understand the Ernie defenders on here. Of course there is some misplaced anger and hindsight is 20/20, but in the real world (not National Bizarro Association), people (especially leaders/ those in charge) get judged by results. Yes, EG didn't have a crystal ball, but here are his results- every trade he's made has been a bust (highlighted by this Miller and Foye for number 5 which wasn't just a regular bust, but will hurt us for years to come by getting rid of a top draft pick- the only thing the NBA gives bad teams to help them get better!), every major contract extension he's given has proven to be a bad decision, and every coach he's hired has been unable to lead the players he acquired. The only thing EG has done that's had a silver lining has been to make us so bad that we got the number one draft pick this year. No matter the cause, Ernie's results say he's not the right GM for our team. Time to let him go...

Posted by: jmadams | June 29, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"I didn't feel like there was anybody at the five spot who could fit into our rotation," Grunfeld said.

I remember long ago the Bullets passed up on KarL Malone in the draft because they already had someone named Dan Roundfield. The GM was quoted as saying that the Bullets could not find Malone enough minutes because of Roundfield--who did not make it all the way through the upcoming season because of bum knees.

Hegel said that the only thing you learn from history is that you don't learn from history.

Posted by: EdDC | June 29, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

We're not a piece away from a championship. Save your money, Ted.

Get another pick next year and see who's available in the FA market then.

Who knows? Maybe with a real PG, players like McGee and NY will shine. Defensively, let's hope our guys ate their Wheaties and gained some weight.

Posted by: original_mark | June 29, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse


[Foye] obviously paid off the guy who does official height measurements at the NBA combine. 6'2" barefoot? Right.

Posted by: Firuz1 | June 29, 2010 9:10 AM


Measurements Guy has been on the take for years. Dude has two houses AND a boat on that salary??

Posted by: bobabuie | June 29, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"Do you honestly believe that the fastest player at the combine was 6'7" 235 pounds? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.
Posted by: divi3"

I think you've been trying to sell us a bridge for a few weeks now . Problem is, some of us ain't buyin'.

Booker appears to be a pretty good athlete, quick and fast. And he can do 22 reps on the bench. Is he really faster than those guards? I wasn't there, I don't know how hard they were trying.

My question would be whether he can step outside a few feet and hit an open jumper in the half-court offense. That's how undersized big men develop into superstars, from Karl to Hakeem.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

the point is that combine measurements are not the word of God, despite how heavily you seem to lean upon them. Just because Foye is listed at a certain height there doesnt mean he is actually that tall.

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"Yes, EG didn't have a crystal ball, but here are his results- every trade he's made has been a bust (highlighted by this Miller and Foye for number 5 which wasn't just a regular bust, but will hurt us for years to come by getting rid of a top draft pick- the only thing the NBA gives bad teams to help them get better!)"

Every trade has been a bust?

Kwame Brown for Caron Butler?

Devin Harris for Antawn Jamison?

Ridding Washington of Antawn Jamison's contract late in the year for a 1st round pick, and in turn clogging up rival Cleveland's funds, making it unlikely they can improve enough to retain Lebron James?

In the span of a month, Grunfeld took a team heavily in the luxury tax and shed enough salary to be roughly $20 million+ under the cap, giving up nothing that even remotely constitutes long-term value for the Wizards.

Hell, he just snagged an extra mid-first round pick and a proven, veteran guard on a short-term contract for NOTHING and people still say everything he's done has been a bust.

Christ, I understand that he's made some mistakes, most notably last year's draft being an unmitigated disaster for this franchise. But to act like this man has done nothing but fail in his personnel moves is disingenuous to the fullest extent.

Posted by: psps23 | June 29, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 12:51 AM

Do you honestly believe that the fastest player at the combine was 6'7" 235 pounds? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse
i believe it was the 3/4 court straight line sprint, and i think Booker had our boy by .8 or .08 seconds

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 29, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"Of course there is some misplaced anger and hindsight is 20/20, but in the real world (not National Bizarro Association), people (especially leaders/ those in charge) get judged by results."

Of course they do. Which is why most folks here expect the Wiz to struggle this season and for EG to lose his job at some point. He probably would already have lost it if there hadn't been the sale and new ownership. Leonsis has a track record of keeping management at least transitionally in these situations, and he seems to be following that playbook.

But some of these arguments 'proving' EGs incompetence have little basis in fact, and others are just plain illogical. I'd say there's a lot of 'misplaced anger' and '20-20 hindsight' operating at the moment.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I agree Samson.

I'd like to see Booker develop a little like Rodney Rogers did back in the 90s. He was a bully in college but had to learn to stick a perimeter jumper in the pros.

Obviously, Booker won't be shoving around guys a la Charles Oakley but he's tough, experienced, works hard and very athletic. From all accounts he seems like the guy you love if he's on your team and despise if he isn't. A need pick IMO.

At some point it doesn't matter how you got the guy if he fits your system and produces. I'm not mad at Ernie on this particular trade.

Posted by: elfreako | June 29, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Seeing as how the Wizards need help at 4 and 5, should we have interest in Anthony Tolliver of GSW? Oakland Tribune says that with a glut of bigs, Tolliver and Chris Hunter were not tendered qualifying offers and will be free agents tomorrow.

Posted by: rickgonz | June 29, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

psps23,

you can look at the trades as improvements, but what did we really win? Clogging up rival clev's finances? Are you serious?Cle can pay LBJ more than anyone else, if he wants to stay. AJ was hand picked, everyone in CLE knew the ramifications. They could very well have a plan in place to resign LBJ and use AJ as sign and trade bait for another player. Let's not reach and try to spin EG's moves to make square pegs fit round holes. He blew the trade last year (a year later we have nothing to show for the NO. 5 overall selection).He's done some questionable resignings and FA signings. But above all, outside of ownership EG is running this restaurant. He buys the groceries, then hires the chef to cook the meal. If dinner don't taste right who else is to blame? The vegetables you picked? The chef you hired? The people who don't like it? EG is the constant here. He had a lot to do with the playoff teams of the past, and a lot to do with these two 50 loss teams. Right now EG deserves more blame than praise. If the team's fortunes were different so would our tune. Pritchard gets fired after building a very competetive playoff squad in the West, and people here are rallying around EG as if he's EVER brought a team a championship.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 29, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"the point is that combine measurements are not the word of God, despite how heavily you seem to lean upon them. Just because Foye is listed at a certain height there doesnt mean he is actually that tall.Posted by: divi3"

LOL I should instead rely on the word of a guy who thinks Foye is closer to 5'10" and has probably never met him? Sorry, I'll stick with the measuring tape.

The TV camera distorts size; Stephen Curry looks a whole lot smaller on TV than in person. Even being at courtside, you can't always accurately compare heights. For years people watched Ewing and Olajawon battle under the basket without noticing Patrick was a good two inches taller. It's a trick of perspective.

I suspect some folks here have already made up their minds and are determined not to let facts cloud the issue. Hey, it's a free country, right? Sort of.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: suliman007_4 | June 29, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

But some of these arguments 'proving' EGs incompetence have little basis in fact, and others are just plain illogical. I'd say there's a lot of 'misplaced anger' and '20-20 hindsight' operating at the moment.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

could you elaborate on the misplaced anger, and possibly give insight to where it should be placed. EG did say he didn't see anyone at 5 (therefore in the entire draft after the first 4 selections) that could help the team. He traded the pick a day or 2 (my hindsight is hazy) before the draft, thus killing all other possible options and trade scenarios. He brought in MM on the downside of his career (check the stats) and a player in RF that IMHO was not really that good.He said they were in "win now" mode and predicted 50 wins with the addition of FLIP. He said we had a championship contender. 26 wins later you say we're the ones operating without logic or reason? I have to question your allegiance to the man. And you can take that hindsight crap somewhere else. I didn't like the trade when it was announced, not even because of the players involved, but because of the timing and reasoning behind it. If my argument is illogical or relies too much on hindsight for you i can dig that. But i would luv for you and the rest of the EG apologists to explain to me how EG is doing such a wonderful job as GM of this back to back 50 loss organization.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 29, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Mike , you purposely put this topic for EG haters to continue to cry.
what about before EG came here ,the bulets were the best in evcery thing.

Posted by: gtefferra | June 29, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The reason the trade with the #5 last year for Miller and Foye was very simple. Abe was dying and knew it. He wanted one more championship before he went. A number 5 was going to take time to delevope, time that Abe did not have. He went to EG and said do what you can to win now. It did not work, I know rocket scientist here, so Ted now takes over and uses the Caps formula, lots of draft picks and build through that.

Posted by: RichC3 | June 29, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

According to Clickorlando.com

" Local 6 Sports Director David Pingalore learned Monday night that the Magic are seriously considering signing Chicago Bulls free agent center Brad Miller.

The reason for such a move: the Magic are shopping the services of Marcin Gortat, the backup center to Dwight Howard who signed a $34 million deal last year.

Pingalore is also being told that Gortat is on the trading block with Vince Carter. Where they might end up is still unknown.

Pingalore's sources said that Washington could be a destination point as the Magic are trying to work a trade for guard Gilbert Arenas. Pingalore was also told that if Dwight Howard is OK with Arenas playing in Orlando, the trade will go through.

It seems the Magic have given up on getting Chris Paul from New Orleans because the Hornets' front office is not responding to the trade proposal from the Magic.

Continue to follow this story on ClickOrlando.com and Local 6 at 6 p.m. and 11 p.m"

I'm not sure what happened to Gortat after he signed his new deal, but prior to he was an energetic big man...

Posted by: bozomoeman | June 29, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Leonsis has a track record of keeping management at least transitionally in these situations, and he seems to be following that playbook.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Blatche was unsure when the injury actually occurred since he had been working out, walking around and playing at Barry Farm with some pain in his foot.

Looks like Ted plan of keeping the old guard in place isn't working out so well if you consider the Blatche incident and aren't a fan of the moves Ernie made on draft day.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Pritchard gets fired after building a very competetive playoff squad in the West, and people here are rallying around EG as if he's EVER brought a team a championship.

Posted by: lilhollywood10"

You act like this was a competent move for the Blazers.

And please, don't try and tell me the AJ trade to Cleveland did not come out in our favor. It's laughable to even attempt to argue otherwise.

I'm not saying EG's been perfect. Far from it. But as I said, to act like everything he's done has been an unmitigated disaster is disingenuous at best.

Have the Wizards won anything under EG? No. But neither have the Nuggets, Jazz, or Hawks in the same time frame.

Does Denver's failure to win a title mean the trade for Chauncey Billups was a failure?

How about Joe Johnson's signing with the Hawks. Does their lack of final success mean his signing was a failure?

And the Jazz for Boozer. Was he an FA bust for them?

It may end up that all three teams need to re-enter a rebuilding phase if those players move on (Billups a year down the road). Should all three GMs of those teams be fired too?

Sure, Grunfeld failed to deliver a title with the previous group of players. That happens to a majority of teams in the league, including several great ones. Eventually, they have to be rebuilt. That does not mean you have to fire every person that operated under the previous stint.

If Grunfeld fails to get the team moving in the proper direction this year, then yes, I'd agree he needs to be gone. But so far, I'd say that looks far from the case. He took an old, injury-prone, high-cost roster and in the span of 6 months has turned it into a young, cheap, high-potential roster with a very bright-looking core to build around, and cap space to operate. There aren't many GMs that can pull what he did off in the timeframe he pulled it off in.

Posted by: psps23 | June 29, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Hypocrites!

Everybody on the blog wanted Foye off the team since he is a "'tweener" who replicates what the Wizards already have, is injury-prone, blah, blah, blah. When Ernest announces that the team is not tendering Foye a contract, everybody's on him like a wet suit.

The trade last year was made at the urging of Abe Pollin for a multitude of reasons that I will not go into again. Ernest is doing the right thing by letting the market set Foye's true worth which is well under $4.8M. In fact, Foye will be lucky to get a contract averaging $2.5M per year. If we lose him, I assure you the sun will rise tomorrow. As I said, Ted is a smart man and appreciates a GM who does not grossly overpay for a player's services. That is why he will be retained for many, many years to come.

Now sit back and the enjoy the moves that are made over the coming weeks and prepare to be impressed by Wall, Booker and Ndiaye in the summer league. Seraphin will do his impressing in November.

Ernest Grunfeld has a plan and the future is bright.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | June 29, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"so called experts continually using the Bullets/Wizards as an example of management ineptidude."

I like that term: ineptidude. Know a couple ineptidudes personally.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, I'm happy to see so many players from last season leave. I thought that's what 'blow the team up' meant. Be even better if they'd worked something out for Gilbert to go elsewhere. At least it's new faces to look at.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The reason the trade with the #5 last year for Miller and Foye was very simple go deep into the playoffs.
I thought it wasa a good swap.
All of the NBA (tv, newspaper, radio) analysts that I heard at the time said that it was a very good trade for the Wizzies and it made them a bona-fide contender in the east. No one thought otherwise after the first game against Dallas.
When the wheels came off during the next 20-30 games it was all EG's fault.
Just like he missed on DeJuan Blair along with a few other genius GM's.
Let's stop whining about what's in the past and look to the future. If anything it should be interesting.


Posted by: VBFan | June 29, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

From 20/20 hindsight, I can safely say that Foye and Miller were a better than fair trade for Thomas, Songaila and Pecherov (where are they now?). Miller and Foye are still actively looking for positions on other teams maybe even winning teams. And knowing the salaries situation, not paying a guaranteed first round pick salary was probably way up high on management's list of financial goals for last season.

I don't think the Wiz were able to use the trade exception generated from Pech's salary, not with the additional TDEs generated by Haywood et al.
But in any case, still a good trade at the time.

Posted by: rickgonz | June 29, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

He's easily the worst GM in the league right now. Why do we always get incompetent front office people. 1st Wes Unseld, then Michael Jordan, then Ernie Grunfield. And we wonder why this team can't build a consistent winner. Yeesh!

Posted by: avbanig | June 29, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

And please, don't try and tell me the AJ trade to Cleveland did not come out in our favor. It's laughable to even attempt to argue otherwise.

Trevor booker or AJ i guess it's a toss up, but a lot of people on here would tell you how great AJ is. A lot of others would tell you how poor of a fit Booker is for us.


Have the Wizards won anything under EG? No. But neither have the Nuggets, Jazz, or Hawks in the same time frame.

Does Denver's failure to win a title mean the trade for Chauncey Billups was a failure?

How about Joe Johnson's signing with the Hawks. Does their lack of final success mean his signing was a failure?

And the Jazz for Boozer. Was he an FA bust for them?

it's not about player's being busts bbecause of the moves as it is about teams being successful because of the moves. With no 'chip and JJ bout to go join LBJ to win a chip somewhere else, i'm sure there are people in ATL thinking the move was a failure.

The chauncey move in DEN was made to patch up the GM's failure of an AI move. And yes with the lakers taking the last 2 chips and chancey getting no younger, and Melo on the market next year, YES their moves have failed too.

The goal is to win a championship and if you don't you fail. Some teams take this failure differently, spinning their playoff shortfalls as being contenders or whatever, but no "contending"owner is happy when his team flames out and makes an early exit.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 29, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like we have the same medical staff and trainers?

Why didn't someone check him out when he first started feeling some pain?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 12:17 AM


maybe he didn't tell anyone he was feeling any pain?

hatred blinds.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 29, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

the point is that combine measurements are not the word of God, despite how heavily you seem to lean upon them. Just because Foye is listed at a certain height there doesnt mean he is actually that tall.

Posted by: divi3

With respect, that might be the silliest thing you've ever said. It's the NBA Combine. It's standardized measurements. So whether he's exactly 6'3" or not, his height relative to other players is the same.

If people don't like Foye, fine. He didn't have a good season here so it's understandable. People would rather have one of the players we could have had with the #5 pick, fine. But bs'ing about his height? C'mon.

Posted by: ts35 | June 29, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"Say WHAT the heat ????
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5338472&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines
Posted by: suliman007_4"

Interesting article. Wade, James, and Bosh in Miami -- an easier deal in some respects since Wade is already there and as noted, Florida has no state income tax. Hard to imagine anyone beating that team in a 7 game series.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Miami would have to unload Beasley, possibly to another East team, but stranger things have happened...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

ts35- i'll bet the house that Booker was not the fastest player at the combine despite the results. Simple physics. There is plenty of room for error. Hell, the last 3 physicals I've had all showed different heights!

anyway, to the larger point, Foye sucks and for EG to say there was not a single player in the draft who could fit our rotation while talking up Foye shows a massive error in talent evaluation.

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

watch our boy (17th pick Kevin Sepharin) dominate the likes of Demarcus Cousins and Mason Plumlee

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2010/06/when-kevin-seraphin-beat-john-wall-and-they-both-wore-no-11.html#more-7982

Posted by: merajc86 | June 29, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

who cares if he is or is not the fastest...the fact he is even in the discussion speaks for itself

Posted by: merajc86 | June 29, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Why didn't someone check him out when he first started feeling some pain?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Because maybe he didn't tell them? Because maybe athletes are used to dealing with bumps and bruises and aches and pains, and so the threshhold of concern about them is higher?

Posted by: ts35 | June 29, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"It seems the Magic have given up on getting Chris Paul from New Orleans because the Hornets' front office is not responding to the trade proposal from the Magic."

Latest rumor is Chris Paul to Portland. The Blazers have a lot of young talent that hasn't necessarily translated to wins.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"He's easily the worst GM in the league right now."

Nonsense. His teams' cumulative regular season won-loss record, 815-711 by my reckoning, suggest that he is a "middle-of-the-pack" executive, maybe even a little better than average. True, the team has made some big personnel mistakes the last couple of years, but we don't know, and we probably never will know, the extent to which those misguided decisions were made by, or at the behest of, Abe Pollin. I suspect that Pollin's imput was substantial, and Grunfeld's retention despite the team's record the last two years would seem to suggest that he is aware of this.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 29, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"ts35- i'll bet the house that Booker was not the fastest player at the combine despite the results."

How big is the house? How's the neighborhood?

Rule #1 of successful gambling: find an opponent who doesn't believe in the results.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I am an Ernie Grunfeld guy. When it comes to trading.

But his draft record?
1996 was his first year as President/GM of the Knicks, he had 3 picks in the first round.
Ernie selected: John Wallace(18th), Walter McCarty(19th) and Dontea Jones(21st). Big "Z" Ilgausksus drafted at 20.

1997, John Thomas(25th). How many 25th picks may it anyway.

1998 No first rounder.

1999 Arrived in Milwaukee after the draft.

2000 Traded two first round picks for the rights to Joel Przybilla.


2001 See 2000 draft.

2002 Marcus Haislip(13th)

2003 TJ Ford(8th). After the draft Grunfeld resigned with Milwaukee and signed with Wizards.

2004 Traded 5th pick of Jamison.

2005 No First round pick.

2006 Percherov(18th). Rondo drafted at 21.

2007 Nick Young(16th). Rudy Fernandez drafted at 24. Aaron Brooks drafted at 26. Jared Dudley drafted at 22.

2008 JaVale McGee(18th) Jury is still out.

2009 5th Pick traded for Foye/Miller.

Again, I like Ernie, but there isn't an allstar in the bunch...

Posted by: bozomoeman | June 29, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

lilhollywood,

I get your perspective, I simply disagree with it.

Based off your insinuations, I feel as if I could apply your reasoning and proclaim Jerry Sloan the biggest failure of a coach in NBA history, having coached 25 seasons, 22 in Utah, and never winning a title.

Sorry, can't buy that. Not every situation is the same. Sure, every team's goal is to win a title, but not every team operates under the same conditions. Some GMs are lucky enough to land the #1 pick when Lebron James enters the draft as the consensus top pick. Others get the #1 pick when the top 3 prospects are Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, and Tyson Chandler. Some GMs walk into a situation of a young team loaded with talent (whoever the new Portland GM will be), others will walk into a situation of an old, overpaid team with nothing but downside ahead of them (whoever Cleveland's new GM will be). It's all relative.

Posted by: psps23 | June 29, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Some comments on here are people who've never really watched Booker in college...

Booker is the real deal, look for him to play as a combo forward for the Wiz. He's got the feet to defend a lot of 3's and he is really fast up and down the court for a guy that big. But he's also got the strength to push around some 4's down low.

I've watched him in the ACC for 4 yrs. the guy can really play. He's added a nice mid range jumper and played facing the basket much more this year. He can come down on the break and finish at the rim or can the 12-15 footer on a regular basis. He's still a poor free throw shooter, but on the Wizards he's not going to have the ball in his hands at crunch time.

Don't get the Blair comparisons at all, two totally different types of players. Blair's pretty much a back to the basket, plays 5 feet from the rim post guy and can be really taken advantage of when a team forces him to play in space. Booker is a guy that came to the ACC as an undersized post player, but has steadily expanded his all around game so he could play at the next level.

When he's playing the 3 he's going to be able to take most 3's down low and punish them in the lane with his strength and moves on offense. Defensively he's going to dominate 3's on the boards, and if he can defend 3's on the perimeter he's going to be a matchup nightmare for many teams. And that's what the NBA's all about, matchups.

He's also a great pick/screen and roll guy. He sets great picks and has a good feel for knowing if he should go to the rim or fade into an open spot on the floor.

I think he's got the ability to play in the open floor much more then he did at Clemson. And the Wiz weren't the only team that wanted him in this draft. Ernie pulled off a good trade to get him.

Trading up in the first to go down in the second was a solid manuver. Booker really fits what what the Wiz want to do with Wall at the point.

N'diaye could also end up being a nice pickup in with the late second round pick.

I'd really like to see Flip add a veteran big man coach to really work with all these young bigs on a regular basis. Looks like to me that Ernie's got some real green talent up front, now the Wiz need to develop them...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 29, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"watch our boy (17th pick Kevin Sepharin) dominate the likes of Demarcus Cousins and Mason Plumlee http://www.truthaboutit.net/2010/06/when-kevin-seraphin-beat-john-wall-and-they-both-wore-no-11.html#more-7982
Posted by: merajc86"

You can see why they like Seraphin, huh? Athleticism like that is hard to find. I'm willing to be patient, but I'm probably in the minority.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

ts35- i'll bet the house that Booker was not the fastest player at the combine despite the results. Simple physics.
Posted by: divi3

Those same 'simple' physics tell you that 6'5" is not ideal height for a sprinter. Who's the fastest man on the planet right now? Ah, wait, they must be wrong about his height. Usain Bolt must only be 6'0" tall.

Was Booker 'the fastest'? Who knows? But seems pretty clear that for guys his size, he's faster than most. That's what's compelling. But the flip side of it is that you're arguing what you think is true, based on something that was actually measured in standardized, controlled conditions.

There is plenty of room for error. Hell, the last 3 physicals I've had all showed different heights!

Really?? Suffice to say that being measured on the rickety weight / height combo scale in your doctor's office is not quite the same as being measured by people whose profession is to measure people. It's not like the Combine guys are using your Dad's tape measure. But even your Dad's tape measure wouldn't be off by 3-5". Plus considering it's standardized, I guess everyone from that class is 3" shorter than listed? Should we now be concerned that John Wall is actually only 5'8"?

anyway, to the larger point, Foye sucks and for EG to say there was not a single player in the draft who could fit our rotation while talking up Foye shows a massive error in talent evaluation.

I disagree that it was a 'massive' error for reasons we've already talked about, but that's a different discussion.

Posted by: ts35 | June 29, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

get your perspective, I simply disagree with it.

Based off your insinuations, I feel as if I could apply your reasoning and proclaim Jerry Sloan the biggest failure of a coach in NBA history, having coached 25 seasons, 22 in Utah, and never winning a title.

Sorry, can't buy that. Not every situation is the same. Sure, every team's goal is to win a title, but not every team operates under the same conditions. Some GMs are lucky enough to land the #1 pick when Lebron James enters the draft as the consensus top pick. Others get the #1 pick when the top 3 prospects are Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, and Tyson Chandler. Some GMs walk into a situation of a young team loaded with talent (whoever the new Portland GM will be), others will walk into a situation of an old, overpaid team with nothing but downside ahead of them (whoever Cleveland's new GM will be). It's all relative.

Posted by: psps23 | June 29, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

i guess you could say that. I think Sloan would echo that sentiment, that his team failed to reach their goal. Look at Lebron. Puts up numbers no other player comes close to (his total stat line not just one category), wins back to back MVPs, carries his team to the best record in the league 2 yrs in a row, and all people talki about aside from FA is how he hasn't won a chip yet.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 29, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"Those same 'simple' physics tell you that 6'5" is not ideal height for a sprinter. Who's the fastest man on the planet right now? Ah, wait, they must be wrong about his height. Usain Bolt must only be 6'0" tall."

Have you ever watched Bolt run? Ever? He's never been in 1st place after 20 yards (3/4 court) for the very fact he's a far bigger man than the rest of the field. But whatever.

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Again, I like Ernie, but there isn't an allstar in the bunch...

...except for Michael Redd, taken in the second round of the 2000 draft.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 29, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

EG does have a knack for cleaning up his own messes in a fashion that saves his neck, and that's definitely a strong quality as he seems to quickly recover from mistakes. For instance, now he's getting praise from many quarters on how great the pick up of Hinrich is....whereas if Foye was the player EG believed him to be, we'd have no need for Hinrich and his $17mill salary, Foye would be retained for $5mill (or whatever).

Not compounding mistakes (i.e. keeping Foye just to save face on such a horrible move last year) is certainly a strong asset in a GM.

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"I suspect that Pollin's imput was substantial, and Grunfeld's retention despite the team's record the last two years would seem to suggest that he is aware of this."

By "he," I mean Leonsis.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 29, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever watched Bolt run? Ever? He's never been in 1st place after 20 yards (3/4 court) for the very fact he's a far bigger man than the rest of the field. But whatever.

Posted by: divi3

Have you ever watched the combine? the draftees don't start out of the blocks, which is supposed to be the hardest part for taller sprinters. But seriously, if you're just arguing that he's probably not 'the fastest'. Ok. But so what? Are you saying that he's not fast? And if his times are wrong, can't everyone else's be wrong too? Maybe Wall's times were wrong. Maybe Booker is actually a lot faster than everyone else. Do you see the logical problem you have here? You're basically arguing that he can't be that fast because he doesn't look like he can be that fast.

Should we move on to disallowing Nate Robinson's dunk contests because he doesn't look like a guy who should be able to dunk like that?

Posted by: ts35 | June 29, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Ted talked about introducing
country music to the Verizon Center?

Country hip hop dancing

Posted by: djnnnou | June 29, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"26 wins later you say we're the ones operating without logic or reason? I have to question your allegiance to the man. And you can take that hindsight crap somewhere else. I didn't like the trade when it was announced, not even because of the players involved, but because of the timing and reasoning behind it. If my argument is illogical or relies too much on hindsight for you i can dig that. But i would luv for you and the rest of the EG apologists to explain to me how EG is doing such a wonderful job as GM of this back to back 50 loss organization.
Posted by: lilhollywood10"

This is what I mean by misplaced anger. Nobody is claiming that EG has achieved the predicted results. Nobody is arguing that he's done a great job as GM. No one is insisting he deserves to continue as GM of the Wiz (that's Ted Leonsis' decision).

I'm just pointing out the inaccuracies or inconsistencies in the some of the posts on this blog.

I think if you were less angry, you'd see that.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Yi could be on move to Wizards

We just noted a report from Al Iannazzone of the Bergan County Record that stated Kris Humphries as well as Yi Jianlian might be traded by the Nets in an effort to clear more cap space.

Well, according to Iannazzone, the Wizards could be the suitor for Yi.

He writes: "[The Nets] are working on a deal with the Wizards that would send Yi and cash to Washington for a player who makes 'significantly less' than what the Nets' power forward earns. Three sources confirmed this could happen. The player could be Quinton Ross ($1.14 million) or one of their draft picks."

Iannazzone notes that the Nets would make such a move to potentially sign two max free agents.

This is similar to what the Bulls and Heat have done in the last week or so -- clearing out about as much space as possible to make a run at two big names that will likely command max deals.

But as of now, it appears the Bulls and Heat have the upper hand on LeBron James and Chris Bosh.

Yet, there are plenty of other names, from Joe Johnson to Amare Stoudemire to David Lee to Carlos Boozer the team could try and acquire.

And it's possible they wouldn't have to offer a combination of these type of players two max deals -- perhaps only one with the second player making out well, but not at a full max deal.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | June 29, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see Jon Scheyer make this team...his shooting ability and effort will be good as a backup on this team

Posted by: merajc86 | June 29, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Why am I smiling? Oh, yeah, RANDY FOYE is NOT in our future, oh yeah!

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 29, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

one DAVID LEE please, and pass the mustard.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 29, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

we are not going after david lee or any other big contract pf...we are taking away salary cap space with these moves...it seems teddy is content with growing raw talent

Posted by: merajc86 | June 29, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | June 29, 2010 1:03 PM


Do it, Ernie. The Wizards have got nothing to lose and everything to gain if they play Yi at his natural position. If it doesn't work, all we gave up was Q-Ross.

Posted by: artiesliver | June 29, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know QUINTON ROSS could be used as a chip for YI. Did I miss something? Was he that good? Oh right, cap space, cap space, I forget. And while we're at it, forget YI, I want LEE. And SINGLETON, and a stud #3 FA. 12 mill total. Use the exceptions too.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 29, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Saw a website that said the Yi deal is basically done. Yi for Quinton Ross swap.

Yi will make over $4 million this season, but he only has a one-year deal. I can deal with that, even if he's a 7'0 big man that shoots a putrid 40% from the field. He can be a solid depth player/rebounder, and doesn't hurt the team financially in the long-run.

And Quinton Ross is awful anyway.

Posted by: psps23 | June 29, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 29, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

this looks like a good trade unless we give up one of our rookies...i would take both booker and sepharin over Yi

Posted by: merajc86 | June 29, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ts35 | June 29, 2010 12:27 PM

dude, all I was saying in response to Samson's "LOLs" is that I do not believe Foye is as tall as his listed height. Why? Because the combine numbers are not infallible (bet ya Aldrich is taller than 6'9"). The broader point was that EG showed terrible judgment in seeing Foye as a much better player than he really is. But rather than defend that huge miscalculation, it's easier to argue that Foye might actually be 6'2" (or whatever).

Fine, he's exactly the height listed at the combine. Doesnt change the fact he's a marginal player who EG overvalued by a country mile.

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

this looks like a good trade unless we give up one of our rookies...i would take both booker and sepharin over Yi

Posted by: merajc86 | June 29, 2010 1:21 PM


Ernie would be run out of town if he gave up either one of those guys for Yi. They're not part of the deal.

Posted by: artiesliver | June 29, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Yi doesn't wow me. But if all they are giving up for him is Ross, then talent-wise it's a no-brainer. Not sure how he fits into the grittier, tougher new model, but for a one-year rental, eh, it's ok. It does bug me that they are giving up $3M in cap space for him though. Not that I expect them to do much in FA, but I would like to see them try to sign some of the younger guys who were out there for a look.

Posted by: ts35 | June 29, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Yi has a game that is very similar to Blatche (Yi is slightly more athletic)... they can be on the floor at the same time, with Blatche moving over to the 5. Yi provides nice depth and size, great trade.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | June 29, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

What younger guys, ts35?

Gay? Childress? Redick?

Posted by: artiesliver | June 29, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

the issue is not with Foye...it's that EG made a high risk high reward...he went all in on the trade last year and lost. The wizards did terribly and now, it is labeled as horrible move (which it is). Hindsight is 20/20 but thats what we judge deals on, if it contributes to success on the basketball court. Since it did not, it was a bust move.

Posted by: merajc86 | June 29, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I dont think Yi and AB have the same game, Blatche has a pretty nice array of post moves that he uses very regularly while Yi (from what I have seen) stays almost exclusively on the perimeter shooting Js. They are both soft though, so there's a similarity.

Kind of a neither here nor there move imo, as QRoss is an invisible man so Yi is surely an upgrade over him even if not someone you'd target for the roster.

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

You can see why they like Seraphin, huh? Athleticism like that is hard to find. I'm willing to be patient, but I'm probably in the minority.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Ernie is hoping Ted will be as [atient as you are?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

[ is next to the p sorry

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is claiming that EG has achieved the predicted results. Nobody is arguing that he's done a great job as GM. No one is insisting he deserves to continue as GM of the Wiz (that's Ted Leonsis' decision).

I think if you were less angry, you'd see that.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Samson151

Have you ever read anything this guy writes?

Ernest Grunfeld has a plan and the future is bright.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | June 29, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

dude, all I was saying in response to Samson's "LOLs" is that I do not believe Foye is as tall as his listed height. Why? Because the combine numbers are not infallible (bet ya Aldrich is taller than 6'9"). The broader point was that EG showed terrible judgment in seeing Foye as a much better player than he really is. But rather than defend that huge miscalculation, it's easier to argue that Foye might actually be 6'2" (or whatever).

Fine, he's exactly the height listed at the combine. Doesnt change the fact he's a marginal player who EG overvalued by a country mile.

Posted by: divi3

LOL! Oh, div. Look, if you want to argue that Foye is a marginal player, or not a good fit for what they wanted or that EG overvalued him that's fine. But why argue his height / combine measurements aspect of it? "bet ya Aldrich is taller than 6'9"" Based on what? On your perception of how tall he is based on how he looked on TV? Or some notion of his effectiveness must be related to a specific height? I mean your argument with that comes down to "The NBA Combine Measurements must be wrong, because I don't think he plays like he's 6'3"". Can't he suck just as easily at 6'3" as he would at 6'2" or 6'1" (where the hell did 5'10" come from)?

It reminds of the Seinfeld stand-up bit about the difference in a race between gold, silver and bronze by moving his head a fraction of an inch each time.

Posted by: ts35 | June 29, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

We just traded ross for YI

Posted by: beas13 | June 29, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

YI 4,050,300 - 1,146,337 = 2,915,963 net. Bal. 12,100,000* - 2,915,963 = 9,184,037
9,184,037 + two exceptions worth 6 and 4.5 million.

If deal goes through for YI-ROSS.

Needs: Another big (SINGLETON - 2.1 mill*), a big time #3 FA (up to 6.0 mill + 6.0 mill exception), and a replacement for ROSS (down to 1.0 mill and exception 4.5 mill)

*estimated numbers

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 29, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

We are not getting a big time free agent. Replacement for Ross = Jon Scheyer...

Posted by: merajc86 | June 29, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

a replacement for ROSS (down to 1.0 mill and exception 4.5 mill)

Posted by: glawrence007

A replacement for what Ross brought to the table? Hows about a minimum salary D-leaguer? Why would we pay $1M for a guy who's going to be our 5th guard at best?

Posted by: ts35 | June 29, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"bet ya Aldrich is taller than 6'9"" Based on what?"

The fact that I seriously doubt he just wears thicker shoes than everyone else has, and that he's been called a "7 footer" for years. But anyway, if you want to see combine stats as infallible that's up to you. If you want to go way back to the top of this asinine discussion and note that my comment on Foye's perceived height was a single line written in the larger context of pointing out how badly EG whiffed on the trade....that would be good too

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Wiz got the 7 footer from China Yi Jinlian or whatever.

Posted by: FedorEm | June 29, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I remeber Yi's rookie year when the Bucks played at VC....it was instaneously obvious he was a bum and that Villanueva was a far better player. By bum I mean not going to live up to draft position and hype.

Interesting that the Bucks acquired Charlie the same year they drafted Yi, almost like they were hedging their bets when taking a guy on what amounted to youtube highlights and Del Harris' word. Always suspected it was a case of a team looking to sell tickets and broaden fanbase, and of course there is nothing wrong with that.

40%FG from a 7 footer should basically close the book on the guy imho, but ABs injury may be a legit impetus for this move.

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Wiz got the 7 footer from China Yi Jinlian or whatever.

Posted by: FedorEm | June 29, 2010 1:58 PM

Not true. If so, the Insider would have scooped everybody and broken the story. Come to think of it, I did read it here first. Maybe ElBigChroizo is Michael Lee?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | June 29, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Wiz got the 7 footer from China Yi Jinlian or whatever.

Posted by: FedorEm | June 29, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I have changed my mind Ernie is one of the best GM's

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

40%FG from a 7 footer should basically close the book on the guy imho, but ABs injury may be a legit impetus for this move.

Posted by: divi3 | June 29, 2010 2:01 PM

Weird that his best year in terms of FG% was his rookie year in Milw. (42%). If he got that up to 46%, would that change things for you?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | June 29, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I have changed my mind Ernie is one of the best GM's...

Sorry hit the submit button to soon

...another team can call on when they need to get under the cap to sign a free agent?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Nets trade Yi to Wizards
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
40 minutes ago
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The New Jersey Nets have traded Yi Jianlian(notes) to the Washington Wizards, a league source said, to move themselves $30 million under the salary cap for free agency.

Washington sent Quinton Ross(notes) to the Nets for Yi, who has been traded twice since the Milwaukee Bucks selected him with the sixth overall pick in the 2008 draft. The Nets also sent $3 million to the Wizards.

New Nets coach Avery Johnson didn’t consider Yi a fit for his system, and the Nets were anxious to clear even more cap space to make a run at LeBron James(notes) and several major free agents.

The Nets will gain $3 million in savings on the trade.

Yi gives the Wizards a versatile 7-footer, who showed flashes of emerging as a good player a season ago.

Posted by: VBFan | June 29, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"40%FG from a 7 footer should basically close the book on the guy imho"

He's still a big-bodied, athletic 7 footer at the 4 spot. Instruct the guy to stop taking jumpshots and hit the boards, and you could have a nice role-player.

That is, of course, if the guy can actually understand anything Flip says.

Posted by: psps23 | June 29, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"The Nets also sent $3 million to the Wizards."


The Wizards gotta get that cash. Lol.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | June 29, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many more moves we will be making. Maybe acquire a second tier FA that can score.

Posted by: FedorEm | June 29, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"bet ya Aldrich is taller than 6'9"" Based on what?"

The fact that I seriously doubt he just wears thicker shoes than everyone else has, and that he's been called a "7 footer" for years. But anyway, if you want to see combine stats as infallible that's up to you.

Posted by: divi3

Well, you got me. Aldrich must be 7'0". A bunch of reporters and bloggers have called him a 7 footer so the guys who measured him with actual measuring stuff must be wrong. Is it possible they transcribed the number wrong or something happened? Of course. But why can't he also just be 1" shorter than everyone thought? Why does it have to be the combine guys that are wrong with Aldrich or Foye or Booker?

But I guess my point is, who cares? Does it make a lot of difference if Aldrich is 6'9" w/o shoes or 6'10"? Does it make a lot of difference if Foye is 6'2" instead of 6'3''? If Foye was 6'3" would he be much better? (By the way, I'm glad we stayed away from Jennings in the draft. I hear he's actually 4'6").

If you want to go way back to the top of this asinine discussion and note that my comment on Foye's perceived height was a single line written in the larger context of pointing out how badly EG whiffed on the trade....that would be good too

Don't blame me, you're the one who threw it out there. And frankly, I'd rather discuss this than re-hash the same argument everyone's been having for over a year.


Posted by: ts35 | June 29, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

i like Yi. He's more 3 than 4 so i think he really adds depth in a spot where we're superthin. How many more tix do you think teddy sells now that he's got Yi playing in Chinatown? Good basketball and good business. Thx for picking up that player option Q.Ross. Prokorov eats that buyout and Q.Ross is off to Israel a coupla million dollars richer.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 29, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Some comments on here are people who've never really watched Booker in college...

Booker is the real deal, look for him to play as a combo forward for the Wiz.

I've watched him in the ACC for 4 yrs. the guy can really play. He's added a nice mid range jumper and played facing the basket much more this year. He can come down on the break and finish at the rim or can the 12-15 footer on a regular basis.


GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 29, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

flohrtv,

I hope you and Ernie are right I just don't like drafting another "combo" player.

add a veteran big man coach to really work with all these young bigs on a regular basis...

why do that with all of the success Wes Unseld Jr has made with our big guys?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"The Nets also sent $3 million to the Wizards."


The Wizards gotta get that cash. Lol.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | June 29, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

ArmChairQB,

I was all for Ted buying the team and now I am scared to death he is going to follow in his mentors (Abe) footsteps by putting making a profit ahead of winning a championship...

No wonder he kept Ernie?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 29, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I was all for Ted buying the team and now I am scared to death he is going to follow in his mentors (Abe) footsteps by putting making a profit ahead of winning a championship...

No wonder he kept Ernie?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

If his ownership of the Caps is any model, he's willing to spend cash when it's warranted (see Ovechkin's 13 year deal), but he's very much about reasonable spending. If we ever get close to a contender with the Wiz, he'll put the money in I'm sure, but I wouldn't expect a lot of free spending before then.

Plus, I love how Abe gets crap for spending too much to keep Arenas and AJ, and then also gets crap for being cheap. Interesting.

Posted by: ts35 | June 29, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

We are rotating bums from the league

Posted by: jtrob_1 | June 29, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"In Grunfeld We Trust!!
Posted by: melodious_thunk | June 29, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse
Posted by: bulletsfan7"

Guess I missed that. I don't read melodious because I suspect he's just kidding.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Tyreke Evans was already gone by the time they would have picked that's who they really wanted.

Posted by: bonggong | June 29, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Ernie's a bum and so is Flip. He has blown 3yrs of draft picks. Has had the 5th pick twice and blew them both. This year he had 3 picks in the first round not including wall. He blew all 3. The kid out of Rutgers is the only 1 that has a real chance to make he team. Booker is to small unless he is he reincarnated of Barkley.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 29, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I like Foy but he is becoming injury prone. Gotta know when to cut your losses and move ahead instead of squandering $4.8 Million for a part time role player.

The real question is how do we get David Lee, Brendon Haywood, and/or Drew Gooden. We might be able to get Brendon and Drew for the price of Lee, but wouldn't you want a 20 and 10 player while sticking it to NY. And, please, please, forget about getting that Lumping Lug of Lard center from NY. Just bring Arenas along to Catch and Shoot from Walls passes, and don't forget that Gil can pass well too so we need Bigs who can finish within 15 feet of the Basket.

Nick Young ~ it's time for you to Swim or Drizzown. Scheisse, or get off ze Crapper

Posted by: liveride | June 29, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

How can a coach who has won 50 games 5 times be a bum? How can a GM who has built so many winners be a bum? With the team we had, Ernie made the right choices to win immediately. Mike Miller and Foye were more valuable than the #5 pick on a team with Jamison, Arenas, Butler, and Haywood. Not even a doubt! Arenas loses his mind and the team is broken up. The drama was constant. This is not the GM's fault. Then he moves pieces around and we have a young, potentially talented team. The players must take responsibility for what happens on the court. The pieces were there, the execution was not. Arenas ruined that season. Now he must either shape up or ship out. He is still the deciding factor on this team.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | June 30, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

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