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Wizards raiding LeBron James's suitors


You going to make it happen in D.C.? (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)


Anybody else out there looking to free up some cap room to lure LeBron James? Is Miami still trying to give away Michael Beasley? Could it be that risky to take him on for one year? Maybe, but what the hay?

Teams are giving away their best players and the Wizards have been opportunistic, to say the least. They are taking advantage of teams that have visions of James wearing their No. 6 jersey while he gets booed at Verizon Center. In the meantime, the Wizards haven't made many friends in Cleveland or New York, two cities that have a lot riding on signing the two-time league MVP. Now Chicago and New Jersey have moved up the line to land LeBron, but the Wizards aren't concerned.

"I think we're concerned about our own situation," Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld said. "We made a decision that we're going to save some of our powder for the future and try to right now put a core of young players together that can grow and we can build with, and that is the reason that we do have those opportunities right now. Otherwise, they probably wouldn't be there for us."

Yi Jianlian was the latest player the Wizards were able to swindle away for next to nothing. The Wizards in essence received a free one-season rental of Yi, using the $4.5 million exception they acquired in the Drew Gooden deal with the Los Angeles Clippers at the trade deadline. The trade exception basically ensures there are no luxury tax implications, given how hard the Wizards worked to get under last February -- giving away Dominic McGuire, strong-arming a $1.5 million buyout from Zydrunas Ilgauskas. The Nets also took on Quinton Ross (and his $1.15 million) and gave the Wizards $3 million for the trouble.

"We've got a player who's had success in the NBA and at the same time is only 22 years old," Grunfeld said.

It was the second time in a week that a team paid the Wizards to take their player. The Chicago Bulls gave them $3 million to take Kirk Hinrich (and his $9 million contract), and the 17th overall pick, which turned out to be Kevin Seraphin. The Wizards are essentially paying Hinrich just $3 million since the going price for first round picks is $3 million, which they were prepared to spend for other picks before the Bulls gave them an offer they couldn't refuse.

On the other side, you could also argue that a player can't be all that good if a team is willing to do all of that just to get rid of them. But these are desperate times for teams chasing James and overall, the Wizards feel pretty good about what they've been able to accomplish before the free agent signing period begins at 12:01 a.m. on Thursday.


I just need another shot. (Rocky Widner/NBAE/Getty Images)

I'm not sure what to make of Yi, who has averaged 9.6 points and 5.8 rebounds in his career. He has had a really undistinguished career after arriving with so much hype from China. Yi was hailed as China's greatest import since Yao Ming and was supposed to represent the younger generation of Chinese basketball. When the two players met for the first time in the NBA, Yi scored 19 points with 9 rebounds and Yao said that Yi would be better than him. Yao told me a few weeks later, "He's going to have a lot of success."

But now Yi is on his third team in four years. In a lot of ways, it's worth a shot, because this could be the place where it finally clicks. If not, they can move on without regret.

I spent some time with Yi before the 2007 NBA draft and wrote about how he was a mysterious figure. Three years later, he still remains a bit of a mystery. Grunfeld spoke of his versatility and ability to play multiple positions, but simply translated, he hasn't established one. No one is really sure if he's a small forward, power forward or center. But he's big. He gives the Wizards a third 7-footer on the roster, along with JaVale McGee and second-round pick Hamady N'Diaye.

And, with the Wizards uncertain about Andray Blatche's return from his broken right foot, Yi gives them a relatively experienced player and greater depth. The Wizards are still lacking a true veteran big man to teach all of their projects -- Seraphin, N'Diaye and to some extent, McGee -- how to play basketball.

It'll be hard to find a more diverse group of forwards and centers than what you have in Washington, where they now have the unorthodox Blatche, the freakishly athletic McGee, the undersized Trevor Booker, the bruiser from France Seraphin, the project from Senegal, and now Yi. But right now, there isn't a dependable, proven player in the front court. That has to be addressed in the next few weeks.

Yi has a great opportunity in Washington, since he was surely going to have a hard time getting minutes in New Jersey, where No. 3 pick Derrick Favors will surely get the nod at power forward and the Nets are already positioned to get Rudy Gay should they strike out on LeBron. Yi had basically been handed chances in Milwaukee and New Jersey, but Grunfeld said he would have to earn his spot in the rotation.

The Wizards finally have a Chinese player in Chinatown. If anything, Yi gives the Wizards a tremendous marketing opportunity with Chinese businesses and the billion or so fans that come with him. John Wall certainly can't complain since his games will now be chronicled by Chinese reporters. Reebok certainly has a great chance to sell his new shoes abroad. No doubt agent Dan Fegan, who represents both players, already had that in mind.

Here's hoping that Flip Saunders learns how to say Yi's name (it's pronounced Eee). Saunders never tried to learn how to say, "Fabricio," when the Wizards had Fabricio Oberto. He just called him, "Fab." At the news conference on Tuesday to introduce N'Diaye, Saunders said he didn't know how to say, "Hamady," so he'll call him "H." (The H is silent and it sounds like comedy).

When asked if Saunders could say his new forward's name, Grunfeld said, "Yes. It's Yi."

That's Yizy.



By Michael Lee  |  June 30, 2010; 1:17 AM ET
Categories:  Kirk Hinrich , Yi Jianlian  
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Comments

First!

Posted by: MeviousMan | June 30, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

If we manage to get Gortait from Orlando and dump Arenas on them I will never question Ernie's wisdom ever again!

Posted by: MeviousMan | June 30, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

By the way, Solomon Alabi dropped to the 50th position on draft night because he has Hepatitis B.

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/basketball/2010/06/28/14549991.html

Posted by: MeviousMan | June 30, 2010 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Hey, at least a town and a team that once won a championship with Elvin Hayes ought to know how to say "E"

Posted by: evanescent_panoply | June 30, 2010 2:57 AM | Report abuse

The evidence seems pretty compelling that Yi isn't 22. Sounds like 25-26 is probably more accurate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3049141

I wasn't blown away by his performances against the Wizards this past year (even in the game where he had 20 pts-19 rb, Blatche absolutely owned him with 36-15-4). My snap impression was that he settled for lower percentage perimeter shots, didn't move the ball, and was overmatched on defense against an NBA-starting caliber PF.

The question is probably more whether he can transition to playing SF and still match up on the defensive end with smaller, faster opponents.

Having said that, the trade is great, because there's really nothing but upside. The cost was effectively zero for a player with some promise.

Posted by: JPRS | June 30, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

i ♥ Ernie
Wiz fanz eat your ♥ out
dont forget to buy season tickets and merchandise

Posted by: Risa_L | June 30, 2010 3:20 AM | Report abuse

The "Wizards are raiding" other teams? "Teams are giving away their best players"? The Wizards "are taking advantage of teams"?

Oh, Michael. You are so funny when you are a front office apologist.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | June 30, 2010 5:53 AM | Report abuse

Wiz need a SF. Anyone thinking Paul Pierce?

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | June 30, 2010 6:03 AM | Report abuse

This is a good move by Wiz. Wiz have 4 freaky 7fters a speedy guard and a gritty gaurd. Couple this group with Singleton and Thornton could be interesting. Wiz will be long, fast and bigs with skill.

This has the making of a good team. Remember all these guys are young and will grow together. Now let's hope Flip can learn how to use them and that's the million dollar question. Ernie go hire a real big man coach.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 30, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Wow, they are the Redskins of basketball. Stink squared! They have no low post presence and Yi makes Jahidi Whiti look like Wilt Chamberlin. Shut this mess down. DC teams are to sports what Earl Scheib is to art.

Posted by: doyouktt | June 30, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

The guy's (YI) soft inside. We need a center, AND a #3 to run with THORNTON.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 30, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

I'd vote for bringing in Beasley. I've stated my reasons before. If we managed to bring in Beasley, Gortat (who can start for most teams in the NBA), and signed Childress, I'd say we had a fantastic offseason. Even if that means bringing in Vince Carter, which I think is not a bad move. He gives Wall an experienced backcourt mate, shoots well outside, is a professional, and becomes an awesome asset at the midseason trade deadline.

Wall
Carter
Childress
Blatche
Gortat

Rotation guys: Hinrick, Thornton, Beasley, McGee
Depth: Young, Seraphin, Yi.

If Wall plays just average, and Blatche comes close to his ending output last season (say 18/8 per), we have a team that can seriously compete for a playoff spot.

Posted by: segastyle | June 30, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Wiz need a SF. Anyone thinking Paul Pierce?

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | June 30, 2010 6:03 AM | Report abuse

REally??? I'm not trying to sound rude but do we actually preview what we post before we hit the submit button? I have a better chance of signing with the Wiz than Pierce does.

Posted by: CBell29 | June 30, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

why don't we judt hire a good ex-center as "big man coach" to teach these guys how to play the game? mcgee needs as many minutes as he can get.

Posted by: dcjazzman | June 30, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

@Cbell


Not what i see happening or what i want, but opinions on a hypothetical situations is what i was going for. A simple "No" would have been okay. Who do you see playing the 3 spot?

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | June 30, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

What's the deal with Hamady N'Diaye? I don't follow the college game that closely but why did the Wizards take this guy? I noticed that his last name is the same as the manager (agent) of the french man. So did the wizards draft him to land the french man?

Posted by: tundey | June 30, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

This is a joke you have to be some nut jock if you thank this team will ever amount to anything!

Why did the wizards not join in the hunt for LEBRON?

Why because every owner in the league know the Wizards are a joke.
CLIPPERS OF THE EAST!

It Pi@@ me off when they hold a press confrence about some scrub they aquired!
Don't let me start with Wall, like he's some great move. Please
He's not Lebron if he was he'd been in the league two years ago. Can he play defense at this level?

Future,Future my a@@, they are a sad joke in the league havn't won since the 70's.
What the Wiz thank they are going to be in the lottery every year? That's what it would take in order for them to win.

Wade,Bosh and lebron won't thank of coming here.

New Mangament same old Wizards.
What a JOKE!

Posted by: shamken | June 30, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Shamken - you post is really really dumb. Do you watch the NBA? Do you see how teams build?

You're almost as stupid as all of those people that voted for Obama.

Posted by: LoJankFilDee19338333 | June 30, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Signed with Contracts:
Blatche, McGee, Young, Yi, Thornton, Arenas, Hinrich

Rookies:
Wall, Booker, Seraphin, N'Diaye

It looks like there's room for at least two to three more? Maybe 4 if Seraphin and/or N'Diaye are sent to NBDL for a couple months. Who are the cheaper FAs available that can help at PF or C?

Summer league hopefuls:
SF Cartier Martin, PG/SG/SF Sun Yue, PG/SG Eric Hayes, SF Raymar Morgan, PG/SG Jon Scheyer, PG Jerome Randle, SF Kevin Palmer.

Will any of these guys make the roster?

Posted by: rickgonz | June 30, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

New Mangament same old Wizards.
What a JOKE!

Posted by: shamken | June 30, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

shamken

I wrote if Ted bought the team fired Ernie and hired a new GM to take the organization in a new direction I would be the first to buy person to buy season tickets.

But, as you stated and The Who would say Meet the new boss, same as the old boss Don't get fooled again?

But, there are those on here who are buying this sideshow crap...

I think Abe left a how to run an organization handbook and Ted read and bought into the idea?

"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P. T. Barnum and Ted is taking advantage of the suckers who are Wizard fans and are willing to shell out hard earned cash to see the crap he and Ernie are going to put on the floor.

Look at the new owner of the Nets there is an owner who wants to win.

But, this is the city who embarrassed Muggsy, Muresan and Bol (RIP)?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 30, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

"Shamken - you post is really really dumb. Do you watch the NBA? Do you see how teams build? You're almost as stupid as all of those people that voted for Obama.
Posted by: LoJankFilDee19338333"

LOL stop that, Senator McCain.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

How could Wall enter the league 2 years ago when he is only 19 now???

Clueless

Hamady N'Diaye was the Big East Defensive player of the year.

I'll take that from a late 2nd rounder all day long, especially when he 7'.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | June 30, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

We all hope that John Wall arrives NBA-ready, then continues to grow further. He is 19. While this is awesome, it is not typical of NBA player development, which takes time, good coaching and opportunity. We are collecting an interesting group of young players with talent and potential. There is no reason to assume that what they did last year (college or pro's) represents the best they can do. Yes, many are cast-offs in a sense, but teams are dumping players who, under other circumstances, they would still be trying to develop into stars. No top FA was coming to DC, nor would it be the best way for us to develop a sustained winning tradition. Taking advantage of other teams star-struck ambitions may not prove to be a winning strategy for us--but it is a sensible one that maximizes our chances of success. Hyper-critical "fans" might want to remember that both Kobe and Gasol were drafted by teams other than the Lakers. Major talent--proven, unproven,even unseen--is constantly moving around the league.

Posted by: StevenGrossman | June 30, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Mike Lee is right: these are wildly uneven trades driven by the worst free agent frenzy the league's ever seen. Even more lopsided than the Wiz' deals with Dallas and Cleveland, which weren't exactly even swaps, either.

But that doesn't mean we're picking up future NBA greats. We got a mid-first round draft choice that we turned into a big-man project, a PG the Bulls had on the block for several seasons, and a disappointing 7' from the lottery a few years back.

Well, we had a lot of empty roster spots to fill anyway.

On the other hand, last year's lottery swap is officially a failure and our one productive big man broke his foot.

Fortunately, Irene Pollin was lucky at the lottery. Thank you, Irene.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

These Chinese players aren't worth DO-DO!

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | June 30, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz could always sign one of these guys.

Larry Hughes
Kwame Brown
Ben Wallace
Steve Blake
Bredan Haywood
Jerry Stackhouse
Brian Cardinal
Oleksiy Pecherov
Jarvis Hayes
Bobby Simmons
Etan Thomas
Juwan Howard
Roger Mason

Ickkkkkkkkkkkkkkk ewwwww

Posted by: dcinmd1 | June 30, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

New Mangament same old Wizards.
What a JOKE!

Posted by: shamken | June 30, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse
________________________

I love when people run their mouth & know nothing... Lebron entered the league when there was no age limit... Currently the NBA has a 19 year old age limit that requires 1 year of post HS basketball... Wall did the most likely route which was to play 1 year at college here in the States... Brandon Jennings of Milwaukee decided he would play 1 season overseas. SO THIS IS WHY WALL IS NOW ENTERING THE LEAGUE & no he couldn't be there 2 years ago... only 1 year ago after HS.

You just answered your own question so I don't know why you have to vent like a girl... Lebron, Bosh, & Wade won't be coming here... EXACTLY.. which is why the Wiz are taking advantage of getting some young players now.

In the next 2 years, you have Melo & Durant becoming free agents... these are the targets of the future.

Posted by: tony325 | June 30, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I believe Cartier Martin has a good chance of making the roster and was effective last year. He can serve as a back up small forward for Thornton. Yi is effective against smaller power forwards and on the offensive side is a difficult check for many 4's because he can shoot from the high post. His numbers have grown three straight years and is a decent back up. Ernie is doin great and the potential of Gortat and Carter for gil can free up money for next year. I would love to get Durant next year with the group we have mentioned. Melo also would be a nice fit.

Posted by: Gusdaberean1 | June 30, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz could always sign one of these guys.

Larry Hughes
Kwame Brown
Ben Wallace
Steve Blake
Bredan Haywood
Jerry Stackhouse
Brian Cardinal
Oleksiy Pecherov
Jarvis Hayes
Bobby Simmons
Etan Thomas
Juwan Howard
Roger Mason

Ickkkkkkkkkkkkkkk ewwwww

Out of this list, I'd bring back Roger Mason ASAP

Posted by: bernard_thompson | June 30, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I can hear Flip now, Y!!! Coach, that's Eee, Why??? Coach, it's Eee. Just get in the game Izzy...

N'Diaye was all big East Defensive team. So that's why he was taken. Guy's very raw, since he didn't start playing until he was 16. But he's got potential, could be a Ratliff type of player with any luck.
Late second round picks are a hit and miss proposition, N'Diaye could be a big hit in the long run.

Yi, never wanted to sign in Milwaukee. He really balked about going there and tried to force his way to a selected list of teams with large Asian populations when he entered the draft. Faced with going back to China, Milwuakee didn't look that bad.

Milwaukee dealt him because he was an unhappy camper with no fan base and his sulking wasn't going over well with the beer and brats crowd.

NJ is trading him because they drafted a young power forward, AND, they wanted to clear cap space for the LeBron derby.
There are some weird goings on that this whole LeBron thing has fostered. There are going to be some GM's that look pretty foolish when this is all over.

Last year the guy was fairly solid for a youngster still trying to find his way in the league while playing on a terrible team. 12/7 is not bad. You have got to remember where he came from is like playing Jr. College ball compared to the NBA. He's still only 22 and the stats are improving.

It's going to take some creative coaching to get real production out of the guy. He's a Don Nelson kind of player. You know the kind of guy that has some talent, but he's kind of hard to slot. Nellie would take him and turn him into a matchup nightmare for teams.

For Ted's longterm building process he could be another interesting peice to the roster puzzle. At worst the Wiz got to take a look for next to nothing.

Noise out of Orlando indicates that an Arenas deal might not be that farfetched. If they're really willing to throw in Gortat that really fits with the kind of team Ted and Ernie want to assemble.

Got to wonder if the Wiz do end up with Carter in the deal, what are the chances of flipping him to Boston for a trade involving more young or future assets?
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 30, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

"Hamady N'Diaye was the Big East Defensive player of the year. I'll take that from a late 2nd rounder all day long, especially when he 7'.Posted by: dcinmd1"

We missed Solomon Alabi by 6 picks, which is even more surprising since he'd been rated a first-rounder in the run-up to the draft. You know there were six seven footers in the second round? Seven if you include Dexter Pittman.

Is Ndiaye any good? Rutgers apparently funneled the defense into him, and he did a good job protecting the back line. He's not strong enough to do the same thing in the NBA, but he's only 23 so there's plenty of time to muscle up. Supposedly he has good lateral quickness, decent wingspan, and good standing reach, all of which are important in a defender. Could be on the roster and also spend time in the D-League, depending on how the Wiz do.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"Ray,

I don't even think Ernie is stupid enough to think these moves are going to make the team better.

The guy is trying to save his job by putting fans in the seats with a side show and by the response of some of the people on here it sounds like they are buying it."

My thing is we've seen this before and I don't buy anything EG wants to sell. I don't have any confidence in him and it's frustrating.

Now *maybe* he does have a plan, and only Ted and EG know that plan...I just don't see it.

I was pretty happy at least to get an email from Ted this morning after sending my frustration email yesterday asking me to be patient. Very cool of him to reply.

But as I said in my email, I just don't see any plan here and I definately don't see these guys being here for very long with the exception of Wall(of course).

"But, this is the city who embarrassed Muggsy, Muresan and Bol (RIP)?"

I'm thinking a lot of people on here don't remember those days, and you are very right. Right now it seems like the same ol' philosophy and I am not happy about it.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 30, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

First to report Mello being shopped by denver.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

This team sure does seem to be following a Leonsis Caps-esqe blueprint. Let Veteran GM handle things - check. Get lucky in the draft with #1 pick - check. Load up on young players with talent - check. Resist temptation of signing someone's big name free agent looking to get paid - check. Not a bad start for the new king. Now let the younger players COMPETE and see if there are any gems in the bunch.

Posted by: jimc93 | June 30, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

some of these posts are hilarious. it really confirms that we all have a different perception of reality. the simple fact is the wiz were never going to be major players in free agency this year. never. how many ways and how many times must it be said before it finally sinks in?

the wizards are rebuilding like okc and portland. they were and are models for how to rebuild and they did it precisely the way the wizards are doing it. they added young talent to their team, drafted wisely according to their player profile and ultimately were successful. but in the interim they stunk! there is no doubt the wizards will be back in secaucus,nj next year for the lottery (just like okc and portland were for a few years), but that's how it goes when you completely rebuild your team. you do it one step at a time and you can't skip any steps.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

"they added young talent to their team, drafted wisely according to their player profile and ultimately were successful."

The problem is EG can't draft to save his own life. It's not his strong suit.

I was just reading and ESPN article on Yao Ming when it hit me: the Wiz are going to make a strong push for him next year.

I honestly can't see any reason to bring Yi here other then that.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 30, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey Ray the next time u email Ted L. tell him if he's wise like we all think he is. he should go get Kevin Pritchard and be through with the EG erorr!

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I think that the Wizards management is doing a heck of job in putting together a YOUNG team. Forget about signing the Vince Carter's, Paul Pierce's and any other washed up vet out there. They're USED PRODUCT, OLD MEN, THEIR WARRANTY HAS EXPIRED. They're ready to be put out to pasture.

I like the youth movement. I'd like to see them keep Shaun Livingston and Randy Foye too. Although Nick Young just might be the odd man out.

If Coach Flip maintains a 9-10 man rotation the way he did last season, they'll be a team to be reckoned with. They'll definitely win more games and with winning, everybody's happy.

Posted by: carterm1 | June 30, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse


Wed Jun 30 04:55am PDT

Carmelo headed to trading block?
By Mark J. Miller
Carmelo Anthony(notes) has one more year left on his contract with the Denver Nuggets before he can opt out of it and become an unrestricted free agent. The Nuggets are feeling like he may do just that and the team "is prepared to trade Melo rather than let him walk" next summer, according to a source for the Denver Post.

Anthony will make $17 million this season and the Nuggets have been trying to get him to sign on for a $65 million extension that would have him in Denver through 2015, the Post reports. If Anthony says no to that offer, which is on the table right now, the Post reports that the team could consider talking trade.

Anthony averaged 28.2 points, 6.6 rebounds, and 3.2 assists per game last season.

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Posted by: suliman007_4 | June 30, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

First to report Mello being shopped by denver.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 9:07 AM

and first to report it incorrectly. he's not being shopped. if he doesn't extend before next summer they will CONSIDER trading him.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"why don't we judt hire a good ex-center as "big man coach" to teach these guys how to play the game? mcgee needs as many minutes as he can get."

Playing and teaching how to play involve two different skill sets. Just because someone was a good player doesn't mean that they'll make a good coach. In fact, some of the best coaches have been mediocre, or worse, players.

BTW, does it bother anyone else that Saunders apparently can't be bothered to learn how to pronounce his players' names?

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 30, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I was just reading and ESPN article on Yao Ming when it hit me: the Wiz are going to make a strong push for him next year.

I honestly can't see any reason to bring Yi here other then that.

- Ray

There's also the Point Guard in on the Summer Team...

Assuming Yao is healed, that would be a VERY nice move. He is a tad old for Ted's plan, but how could we NOT try to pair Wall with Yao? That would be great!

But I don't see HOU letting him go unless his foot is permanently damaged.

Posted by: cballer | June 30, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

omg whateva! stay out of my business.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

omg whateva! stay out of my business.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 9:40 AM

don't bring your business to me. lol.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

i ♥ Ernie
Wiz fanz eat your ♥ out
dont forget to buy season tickets and merchandise

Posted by: Risa_L | June 30, 2010 3:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm guessing you work for the Wizards?? Grunfield should have been fired a long time ago

Posted by: psock1 | June 30, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I think that the Wizards management is doing a heck of job in putting together a YOUNG team. Forget about signing the Vince Carter's, Paul Pierce's and any other washed up vet out there. They're USED PRODUCT, OLD MEN, THEIR WARRANTY HAS EXPIRED. They're ready to be put out to pasture. I like the youth movement. Posted by: carterm1 | June 30, 2010 9:23 AM |

Totally agree. However, if you can trade Gil's 4 year contract for Vince Carter's one year contract, then that puts EG in the GM Hall of Fame.

Posted by: EdDC | June 30, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

My point exactly myob. i did'nt bash your comment don't tread on mind.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

The problem is EG can't draft to save his own life. It's not his strong suit.

Posted by: rmcazz | June 30, 2010 9:14 AM

that doesn't mean that you abandon the strategy of adding good players through the draft. if grunfeld blows it this time, there is nowhere for him to hide. leonsis will vaporize him and put a new gm in his place without missing a beat. most nba personnel types think grunfeld had a solid draft last week though. i tend to listen to what they have to say since they have more information than we do on the players involved.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

My point exactly myob. i did'nt bash your comment don't tread on mind.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 9:51 AM

sensitive fellow, huh?
anything you or i put on the blog is fair game. feel free to comment.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I was just reading and ESPN article on Yao Ming when it hit me: the Wiz are going to make a strong push for him next year.

I honestly can't see any reason to bring Yi here other then that.

- Ray

There's also the Point Guard in on the Summer Team...

Assuming Yao is healed, that would be a VERY nice move. He is a tad old for Ted's plan, but how could we NOT try to pair Wall with Yao? That would be great!

But I don't see HOU letting him go unless his foot is permanently damaged.

Posted by: cballer | June 30, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse


I highly doubt it. I think they are building an athletic running team. If you add Yao, this team automatically becomes a half court team (esp. since he will probably slow down even more so after his injury). If you look @ the type of players they have on the roster, all these players love to run.

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Re: Yao Ming

A huge man with a bum foot is someone who's gonna have serious problems for the duration of his career. I'd stay away from Yao at this point. He's out all the time with his foot.

This team has a bad track record with injury prone stars.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 30, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

omg even though we just went back and forth a little bit lol i do agree with rmcazz. EG can't draft to save his life, outside of the obvious. but you make some valid point's. i still think he should have taken James Anderson with the 17th overall pick. because i"m not shore if Kevin S. is coming over this year. do anyboby know if Kevin S. plan's to play for us this season.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

We've gotten back 6 mill in cash. Let's sign MATT BARNES to be AL THORNTON's running mate at the #3. That would eat up about four million of cap space leaving roughly 8.1 million and a six million exception to sign a significant center and another guard. Let's go WIZ.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 30, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Kevin Sepharin is definitely playing for us this year...his buyout is more than managable @ 500K and he/his agent said himself he doesn't want to be stashed but play immediately

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Kevin S. is coming over this year. do anyboby know if Kevin S. plan's to play for us this season.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Who knows. But the MIKE LEE article seems to point in that direction.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 30, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 10:13 AM

i know serpahin really wants to play for washington and has a reasonable contract buyout of $500,000 (as opposed to some of these guys who have to cough up $5 million to get over here), but i have not heard him or his agent say that he definitely, 100% will be here this year. if somebody else has heard or read that somewhere, i'll sure they'll provide a link.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | June 30, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

This team could lose by an average of 20 ppg.

Pathetic.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | June 30, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I think EG's strategy is a good one.

He is picking up substantial (not huge, but decent) pieces here and there for very little -- only because of the Lebron/Wade/Bosh frenzy is he able to get them for what he's paying.

He's making the most of this current situation, which is smart.

Ross wasn't going to see but a few minutes of playing time as a Wizard and now we've got Yi who will likely see significant minutes, probably playing a backup role. And he's got upside potential. And he's only got a year on his contract.

Great move!

When you have a franchise player as a draft selection, in Wall, you have got to invest in his success. Bringing Heinrich here is an investment in Wall (seeing how Heinrich helped Rose in Chicago).

Rebuilding is not gonna happen in one offseason, like everyone seems to hope it will.

EG is putting decent pieces in places, while trying to deal Arenas for a short term contract (VC or perhaps Mello), to leave plenty of cap space to chase Durant a year or two down the road.

I think he's gonna be able to move Gil due to six teams having cleared so much cap space, and perhaps only one or two teams splitting those three key players. At which point a lot of teams are going to need at least one star, and there's Arenas sitting there.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 30, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Thank's for the info 86. that make's me feel a little better about that pick than i did. but i think James Anderson is going to be a solid pro. i could have seen him and Wall being the best young gaurd tandem in the league in two year's from now.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

So...a Wizards roster that looks as follows, would not be bad at all:

PG - John Wall, Kirk Hinrich
SG - Josh Childress, Gilbert Arenas
SF - Rudy Gay, Al Thorton, Trevor Booker
PF - Andray Blatche, Kevin Seraphin, Yi Jianlian
C - JaVale McGee, Hamaday N'diyae

Posted by: Copious1 | June 30, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Hamady N'Diaye is strictly D-League material which I don't mind for where he was picked.

Seraphin, we are going to have to wait on him, he has a knee injury and he doesn't speak English.

Right now we have a mish-mash of a team, I hope that things shake-out in the next few years so-that Wall will have an interest in staying beyond his rookie contract.

Posted by: closg | June 30, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Grunfeld had a solid draft and has used the LeBron frenzy to begin to repopulate the team with some young talented players.

Hinrich has gotten props around the league for his mentoring/pushing of Rose, makes sense to bring him in to push Wall in practice and back him up in games. He can even play a little two and is a decent shooter. Smart move on many levels, the Wiz need to shed their soft image. Hinrich is no softee...

Hinrich maybe the right guy to get in Youngs face and spur some production out of the kid. Young needs to learn how to play when a guy's doing everything he can to mess with his mind, now he's going to play with a guy that plays that way every day in practice.

I was under the impression that Gil would have near zero trade value this summer and the Wiz would have to bring him back to get any return on their investment. But this whole LeBron frenzy is creating some weird situations. Orlando is apparently feeling desperate to make a move.

Sounds like they are looking at signing Miller as a B/O center and are willing to part with Gortat in a trade for Gil. If Ernie can shake Gortat loose from Orlando as part of an Arenas trade the Wiz could come out smelling like a rose.

I'm not sure that Carter couldn't be flipped to a contender like Boston to replace Allen. Boston knows that Garnett and Peirce only have enough gas in the tank for another run or two and Allen seems to be spent as a starter for a Championship caliber team.

Carter could be the peice they're looking for. He just may fit there, Allen never had a rep as a defender before playing with Garnett. A veteran like Carter just may relish playing in the Garden with a veteran playoff team like the Celts. It could be Carter's last chance to play for a team that's ready to make a deep run in the playoffs. Something never really meshed in Orlando for him.

If Ernie could pry away Avery Bradley in a deal, he could be an excellent running mate for Wall in a couple of years. Bradley can flat out shoot. In the meantime give Young his shot as a starting two alongside Wall, and keep accumulating young talent...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 30, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

It is fitting that the pic is of Yi and Yao at the top of the page because I believe they will soon become teamates.Yao will be signed as a free agent to the Wizards and we will get beasley from the heat.

Starting:

J.Wall
K.Hinrich
M.Beasly
A.Blatche
Yao

Bench:

Arenas
Yi
Livingston
Mcgee
Thornton
Young

Rookies:
Booker, Seraphin, N'Diaye

Posted by: cgshelton | June 30, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

N'Diaye was all big East Defensive team. So that's why he was taken. Guy's very raw, since he didn't start playing until he was 16. But he's got potential, could be a Ratliff type of player with any luck. Late second round picks are a hit and miss proposition, N'Diaye could be a big hit in the long run.

I believe he also speaks French, which could help a bit when Seraphin comes over. There were definitely legit basketball reasons to take him that late. But they may have also looked at that.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

You guys know Yi is not really 22 right? From all indications, it would seem that he's really about 25.

I guess the Chinese like lying about their athletes age. Seems that all evidence points to Yi being born in 1984.

It's not that big of a deal since we gave nothing up to get him. But stop kidding yourselves that we got a "young" player. "Young" being in the 19-23 age group.

Posted by: DaleGribble | June 30, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

dakel76 did you see the clip of Seapharin dominating Cousins and marcus plumlee i posted yesterday?

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

@Samson

was the earlier post about Alabi having HepB true. someone wrote earlier that his health was the reason for his slide.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I honestly can't see any reason to bring Yi here other then that.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz

Maybe because he's better than Q Ross and essentially free?

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Right now we have a mish-mash of a team, I hope that things shake-out in the next few years so-that Wall will have an interest in staying beyond his rookie contract.

Posted by: closg | June 30, 2010 10:48 AM

Kind of my thoughts too, though I think there is some kind of 2yr plan in place. I dont believe the additions of Hinrich and Yi have heavy bearing on the future of the team. What I really want to see is Seraphin in here as soon as his knee is ok, the kid has a massive learning curve ahead of him and the sooner it starts the better.

As much as there's talk of Hinrich being good for Wall, maybe it's young Nicolas who could benefit most from having him around. If CaptKirk pisses him off everyday in practice, it can only push Young towards where he needs to be if his nba career is going to take the next step.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

You guys know Yi is not really 22 right? From all indications, it would seem that he's really about 25.

Generally, big men don't reach the peak of their physical development until their late 20s, so I think Yi still may have some upside. Enough to justify this deal, considering what they gave up.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 30, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Gortat would make another step toward changing the Wiz's marshmellow soft rep and would be exactly what McGee would need to practice against.

I'd Agree N'Diaye might benefit from some D League time.

Can't see the Wiz being in the Rudy Gay hunt at all.

Childress could be a possibility if the Hawks are tied up fighting to retain Joe Johnson. If LeBron takes his time it would help the Wiz there, Atlanta will have to match while Johnson's waiting for LeBron to make up his mind.

But Childress is more of a 3 then a 2.

Somebody's missing out in this game of musical chairs and Ernie's got a 3 time Allstar that's still only 28 to deal.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 30, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse


"Yao will be signed as a free agent to the Wizards and we will get beasley from the heat."
Posted by: cgshelton

And Yao will promptly break his foot again. I'm not in favor of aging big men with a history of foot problems. I'm just not. Not to mention that he weighs close to three bills. Seems like a recipe for disaster to me, since Yao wouldn't come cheaply.

Posted by: and_1 | June 30, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

the only possible negative to bringing Yi aboard is it doesnt seem to fit in with the supposed "get tougher" approach management spoke about. Of course, not EVERY player needs to be in that mold. But Yi is tissue soft both physically and mentally. Then again, QRoss is invisible, so Yi is still an upgrade.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Yao will be signed as a free agent to the Wizards and we will get beasley from the heat."
Posted by: cgshelton

And Yao will promptly break his foot again. I'm not in favor of aging big men with a history of foot problems.
Posted by: and_1

And Beasley will get busted for trying to score Yao some medicinal marijuana.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Gortat would almost qualify as a splashy FA acqusition though at $7mill/yr he's not a bank breaker. Given the draft, hard to see Wiz going after him tho

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Young talent? have any of you seen these guys play. All these guys are projects!Haven't we learned young and talented does not materialize in a wizards uniform? The Wiz essentially drafted and traded for 4 bench players. of which 2 probably won't even dress for game night most nights.

Hinrich was a wasted move too. decent NBA pro, but what upside or qualities does he add?

Posted by: whomp1 | June 30, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I would think the only way we get Gortat is if we trade Gil for VC (his contract mainly) and Gortat

lineup:
Wall
VC
Thorton
Blatche
Gortat

backups:
Hinrich
NY
Booker
Seraphin
Yi
McGee

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Besides drafting Wes Unseld, the best move Abe Pollin ever made was hiring Ernie Grunfield. Likely the best GM in the NBA the last decade.

Posted by: ScottChallenger | June 30, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Somebody's missing out in this game of musical chairs and Ernie's got a 3 time Allstar that's still only 28 to deal."
Posted by: flohrtv

If Miami reaps the free agent bonanza and loads up with Wade, Bosh and James (highly unlikely in my view), I think Orlando might be tempted to go ahead and pull the trigger with Washington for Arenas, especially since Howard is supposedly now on board with it. Who knows?

Posted by: and_1 | June 30, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Hinrich was a wasted move too. decent NBA pro, but what upside or qualities does he add?

Posted by: whomp1

Upside? Not much. But in terms of qualities? Toughness, Defensive Mindset, and Competitive Attitude. All 3 things that have been short supply around here for years.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

This is a no risk gamble by Grunfeld. He'd have been stupid not to make it.

Serious question: Is there a better player out there that the exception could have been used for?

Posted by: SteveMG | June 30, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

People glad to see the Wizards putting together a 'young team' won't be so happy come late January and the Wizards are in last place. Ask Kevin Durant how fun it was in Seattle or his first year in OKC. Young teams don't win in the NBA. Minnesota has had a young team with guys that have 'talent' for quite sometime. They have nothing to show for in the Win column. Depth is overrated as well. You are only going to see an 8 or 9 man rotation period.

Between Gilbert, Wall, and Hinrich there is going to be little minutes at the 1 or 2 available this season. The 3 and 4 minutes will goto Blathce, Thornton, and Yi. The last two rotation spots will be from the 5 position. McGee and some veteren big that we are going to sign will provide the minutes.

Seraphin and the kid from Rutgers won't fit into the rotation much.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 30, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Serious question: Is there a better player out there that the exception could have been used for?

Posted by: SteveMG | June 30, 2010 11:26 AM

No way to know what options EG had with other teams is there?

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Regarding Seraphim and why we haven't heard about his or the Wiz's plans for him....technically, we don't own him until July 8 when the deal is consumated. In the meantime, he (and Heinrich) are the property of Chicago. Nobody is going to say "boo" until then.

Posted by: StevenGrossman | June 30, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Serious question: Is there a better player out there that the exception could have been used for?

Posted by: SteveMG

Beasley is probably a better player and they could get him, but he comes with his own baggage. Neither one really radiate defense or toughness, so it's a wash.

Jason Maxiell fits in better with what they are trying to do, and I think Detroit was considering moving him. The downside is that he has 3 years left on his deal. The minor upside is that those 3 years (2 yrs plus a player optional 3rd) are for a reasonable amount.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"People glad to see the Wizards putting together a 'young team' won't be so happy come late January and the Wizards are in last place. "

I'm pretty much resigned to that fact. The Wiz will be lucky to make the playoffs. It's gonna suck short term, but I assume management has a two-three year rebuilding window, at the moment.

They are going to put pieces in place by taking advantage of situations like the current Lebron/Wade/Bosh frenzy, and wait for new opportunities to arise and pounce on them.

But I doubt they are going to just throw all their money at the first talented guy who will come to Washington. Just so that they can convince their fans that they have some shot at making the playoffs.

I sense they are willing to suffer short term to put themselves in a position to become a serious contender several years down the road.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 30, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"Between Gilbert, Wall, and Hinrich there is going to be little minutes at the 1 or 2 available this season. The 3 and 4 minutes will goto Blathce, Thornton, and Yi. The last two rotation spots will be from the 5 position. McGee and some veteren big that we are going to sign will provide the minutes."

Eh, I still think NY can earn his way into the rotation. Should be a hyper-competitive situation where he either makes or breaks for once and for all. Backcourt is going to be a strength rather than abhorrent weakness in just 1 offseason, gotta like that.

If Booker is all he's cracked up to be, he shouldnt have much trouble pushing Thornton and Yi out of his way to get on the floor.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Is there any chance we get Beasley? He is 6'10 and fills and immediate need, plus he is young. I guess the Heat are far enough under the cap.

Posted by: FedorEm | June 30, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

If Booker is all he's cracked up to be, he shouldnt have much trouble pushing Thornton and Yi out of his way to get on the floor.

Posted by: divi3

Literally!

Posted by: and_1 | June 30, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

It simply amazes me to no end how mostly all of the paid Washington market just knows for sure that Arenas must be dealt as a successful way of this franchise moving forward.

How do they know that???

Do they know this because Gilbert has been bad in the past and he will continue to be bad and a bad influence on Wall???

Is that why they know it???

How do they know this????

I heard one guy of note say that John Wall and Gilbert Arenas playing together would be eaten alive in the NBA.

What??? How does he know that???

6'4" tall is not an NBA midget and how many good NBA backcourts would rival the speed and flexibility of Wall and Arenas, even if they performed at better than average C+ level??? John Wall has an 6'7" wingspan and he uses every bit of it.

There aren't but a few NBA backcourts that could rival Wall and Arenas.

And most importantly, are these morons paying attention to what it takes to win a championship???

No they aren't, for if they was they would be flooding the airwaves with the hope that Gilbert has truly made a change in his life and that he is a good fit with Wall for it takes two or more NBA stars on a team to win a championship.

John Wall by himself is not any better than Michael Jordan until Phil and Scottie Pippen showed up.

Rebuild with two aces already in the deck, especially if that second ace is truly and finally legit.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 30, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Is there any chance we get Beasley? He is 6'10 and fills and immediate need, plus he is young. I guess the Heat are far enough under the cap.

Posted by: FedorEm

Actually, Beasley's only 6'7" and isn't the hardest working guy you'll ever see. I think his issues outweigh his positives.

Posted by: and_1 | June 30, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Besides drafting Wes Unseld, the best move Abe Pollin ever made was hiring Ernie Grunfield. Likely the best GM in the NBA the last decade.

Trading Jack Marin for Elvin Hayes back in the early '70s worked out pretty well, too!

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 30, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

If Booker is all he's cracked up to be, he shouldnt have much trouble pushing Thornton and Yi out of his way to get on the floor.

Posted by: divi3

My one real fear with Flip this season is that he'll keep shuffling things all year long instead of settling guys into roles. Certainly there will always be changes over the course of a season, but it seemed last year like he kept swapping some guys in and out to the extent that they didn't know their roles.

You can do that more with a veteran team (even though it didn't work well last year). With the number of rookies / young players we'll have, the first thing is to establish what's expected of them and the consequences. The next thing is to establish a consistent role for them to help them adjust.

My secondary fear is that Flip will revert to relying more on vets. You have to do that to some extent, otherwise there is chaos on the court. But this season and probably next year are as much about seeing what the kids have and trying to acclimate them. It doesn't mean any of them (except maybe Wall) have to play 35mins a night. Just that they need to see the court regularly,

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I think Grunfeld has proven to be an average GM at best here in DC. 1st you have to remember he followed MJ and 2nd all he has done is take on projects to keep us waiting and the players never pan out.

I have accepted the fact the Wiz will be sorry next year. does anyone remember the Nets were 0-17 or something like that last year. that's the team Yi is coming. he's not going to be lightning in a bottle in DC. he was nothing much in NJ and he will be nothing much in his 1-year in DC.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 30, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

There aren't but a few NBA backcourts that could rival Wall and Arenas.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Allow me to respond in kind.....How do you know that? Last time we saw Gil, he was good, but not great. Is his knee fully healthy now? How do you know? Is he going to be ok with sharing the rock? How do you know?

And most importantly, are these morons paying attention to what it takes to win a championship???

Yes, it takes 2 to 3 stars and a team committed to playing defense. Gilbert hasn't shown that commitment before. Does he have it now? How do you know?

Gil certainly has the ability *if everything is right with him* to be that kind of player. But there are so many different question marks with him, that I think it is totally fair to be skeptical. At least as fair as it is to say that Arenas is ready to be Pippen.
.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I love all this talk about arenas like he hasn't been hurt for 2 years an suspended for 1 year. the last basketball i heard about him playin was at a halfway house.

Posted by: cgshelton | June 30, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

And with all the fluff that Ernie is bringing in, we gonna need a Gilbert more than ever.

If one of these teams out there in the Lebron sweepstakes has to set their sites on Gilbert and manages to get him away from us and Gilbert has truly made a change in his life, that may not be the best thing that could happen to us.

If we lose a good Gilbert Arenas and do not replace him with a legit star/FA, John Wall will soon follow once his rookie stint ends.

Trust me on that.

How may stars in this league that are truly after championships want to be the only man on the team???

None of them.

Those that already believe that Gilbert has to be banished at all cost don't know sqaut about what it takes to win a championship.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 30, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I am just a Wiz fan so, what I see going on I like. I don't think Mr. James was even thinking about comming here. Our team is rebuilding, the moves that are being made right now are hit or miss, but not many teams are assembling the potential talent that washington is. Three players in the free agent market 30 teams, somebody is out of luck. If we give these players a chance to make there mistakes and improve and show something, big named players will want to come here and play with them. Like OKC, young team but they shocked the league this season. We can do that, and if not we loose nothing.

Posted by: sgilchrist | June 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

And with all the fluff that Ernie is bringing in, we gonna need a Gilbert more than ever.

If one of these teams out there in the Lebron sweepstakes has to set their sites on Gilbert and manages to get him away from us and Gilbert has truly made a change in his life, that may not be the best thing that could happen to us.

If we lose a good Gilbert Arenas and do not replace him with a legit star/FA, John Wall will soon follow once his rookie stint ends.

Trust me on that.

How may stars in this league that are truly after championships want to be the only man on the team???

None of them.

Those that already believe that Gilbert has to be banished at all cost don't know sqaut about what it takes to win a championship.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

When do Durant and Melo become FA's? Next year or 2012? I'd hope we went after one of those guys. Next year is a going to be an interesting one to watch. Hope there are a few diamonds in the rough.

Posted by: FedorEm | June 30, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Wizards Feasting on Scraps." I love that header. Maybe the Wizards should change their name to "Scrapple."

Posted by: richs91 | June 30, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

86 i did'nt see it but i will look for it.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Larry, no one has any idea what Arenas will be like after essentially missing 3 years.

Or how Wall will adjust to the NBA.

Or how Wall and Arenas will play together. Arena has always needed the ball to score. He's not known to come off picks and score.

Maybe he can; but he's got no record of it.

Posted by: SteveMG | June 30, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I would think the only way we get Gortat is if we trade Gil for VC (his contract mainly) and Gortat

lineup:
Wall
VC
Thorton
Blatche
Gortat

There is no way I see VC playing for the Wizards, even if we do trade for him along with Gortat. I think VC would agree to a buyout. Starting 5 would look like:

Wall
Hinrich
Thorton (or Beasley if we trade for him)
Blatche
Gortat

backups:
Hinrich (PG)
NY
Booker
Seraphin
Yi
McGee

Posted by: demonj21 | June 30, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

LarryInClintonMD - you are ABSOLUTELY right!!!

If the Wiz do not resign Josh Howard this roster will have nothing but Arenas for reliable scoring. I'm not a Blatche fan and I remember how his 20 pts a night dropped substantially once teams decided to check him.

I thought the Hinrich trade was a threat to Gil staying but my memories of Hinrich are typically bad plays/missed shots that helped the Wizards win when it was he and Ben Gordon in the Chicago backcourt.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 30, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Those that already believe that Gilbert has to be banished at all cost don't know sqaut about what it takes to win a championship.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Or they do, and since they haven't seen those qualities from Gil, and he's been injured, and suspended, they're appropriately skeptical. I don't put a lot of stock in the talk that he will somehow 'damage' Wall, but I'm going to need some serious convincing before I believe that Gil is part of the 'contender' picture.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I love all this talk about arenas like he hasn't been hurt for 2 years an suspended for 1 year. the last basketball i heard about him playin was at a halfway house.

Posted by: cgshelton | June 30, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse
before that he was droppin 22pts/ 7 assts, since you clearly started watching the wizards after the gun fiasco.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

FedorEm i would also love to get Durant but not likely possible. because of the collective barginig agreement. we could'nt come close to offering him what OKC can offer him. and publicly he has made his pitch to resign with OKC.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

@ts35,

Your assessment is on the money. How do we know?? How does anyone really know what Wall and Arenas will be like??

How do anyones knows???

That is my point and you see it too.

So again how is it that so many are already saying that Gilbert has no place on this Team with Wall???

How do they know???

I am an optimistic kind of fella. We have Gilbert now, so I'd rather pontificate on what Wall and Gilbert can do, rather than coming to a conclusion that already excludes Gilbert.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 30, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

my memories of Hinrich are typically bad plays/missed shots that helped the Wizards win when it was he and Ben Gordon in the Chicago backcourt.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 30, 2010 12:33 PM

But, but....he's so GRITTY!!!

Hinrich is a placeholder and allows EG the flexibility to move Gil at the drop of a hat should the opportunity arise. If the team is going to lose a ton this year, at least Hinrich brings some stability and competence to the backcourt making for a better brand of losing to endure than we saw with the Foye/Earl show.

However I'd like to think that if Gil isnt moved....the team doesnt have to lose a ton.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

And yes the Alabi Hep. rumor's are true. i remember watching a ncaa game this season where the brodcaster put his business out on the air that he missed time because of it. i was like damm! why would thet put his business out there like that!

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I remember how his 20 pts a night dropped substantially once teams decided to check him.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 30, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

After the Allstar break (feb 17th i think) AB scored 20 or better in 22 of the 32 games he played in.He only dipped to single digits in one of those games and was only below 15 pts in 4 of those games. So exactly when did the other teams decide to check him, and please quantify this substantial scoring dropoff. NBA.co chronicles individual player's game logs. Vheck AB after Feb 17, he goes 20 or better for the rest of the month, save 1 game. He tears up March only dropping below 20 in 7 of 17 games (the wiz only won 1 that whole month). April he hits'em up for 20 or better in 6 of 8 games. And like i said he only went for single digits once during that 3 month span.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I do see what you're saying Larry. And if people will forgive me for borrowing the phrase, Gil may indeed may had his "come to Jesus" moment.

The problem, and the reason why I don't jump on people who want him out of town yesterday, is that the preponderance of evidence is on the other side of the ledger. If it were just the history of suspect D, or just the injury, or just the legal issues, or just the habit of not fully respecting authority, people would be out of their minds to talk about kicking him the curb. But when you stack it all together, I don't think it's unreasonable at all to say "Hey, maybe we're better of if Gil isn't here." and start with a clean slate. It might ultimately be better for Gil too for that matter.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

And yes the Alabi Hep. rumor's are true. i remember watching a ncaa game this season where the brodcaster put his business out on the air that he missed time because of it. i was like damm! why would thet put his business out there like that!

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

kinda like breaking the news to a kid that his dad was a murderer just to sell papers huh?

I know JW said he was cool with it, but he's been saying the right things since day one. i'm pretty sure he at least thought that Prissy overstepped his boundries.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

Here's what we know:

We know Gil has been the primary ballhandler since he's been with the Wizards. Yes, he's played off the ball before, but that was not his primary role.
We know that Wall will now become the primary ballhandler and he will decide to a large degree when and where Gil gets the ball.

We also know Gil has never played defense and has a certain disdain for it. We know that Flip and Ernie want more defense on the team. When your highest paid player treats defense like it's a joke, you're in trouble.

Major changes are in store for Gil if he stays on the team and it's best to move him before it gets confirmed that he is a guy who has to dominate the ball to be effective imho. He's undersized as a SG and was exposed last year as lacking lateral quickness. A turnstile offers more resistance than Gil. The Eddie Jordan days of token defense are over.

Get him outta here!

Posted by: harrybalz | June 30, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

go get ryan gomes!!!

he is a solid player that will come cheap and can man the SF spot....he is a hard worker as well...I really hope they make a play at ryan gomes

Posted by: jasonma1 | June 30, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What about James Singleton and/or Josh Howard. With Blatche we should have a pretty solid front court!!!

Posted by: Gooddad | June 30, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I sent an email begging EG not to resign Gil. I told him he don't respect his coach. he does'nt play defense and is coming off a bad knee injury. but we all know how that turned out. but i am willing to give Gil a chance to redeem himself. I think him and Wall can be special together. if he can get his Work ethic's to rub off on Wall that would be great. Gil is a work out maniac that know one posting here can ever question about Gil. if only he was this way about his defensive skill's.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

With Gilbert & Wall, one of the better if not best back courts in the league this year. To all you Gilbert haters (go play in traffic) remember he was an MVP candidate when healthy. We owe it to ourselves to see if he can still ball at an all star level. As for the off court mistakes, he's learned. If Bush/Cheney can lie us into 2 wars and get re-elected then surely Gil "Agent 006" deserves another chance. Especially at his natural position, remember he can flat out score or anyone in the league.

What about James Singleton and/or Josh Howard. With Blatche we should have a pretty solid front court!!!

Posted by: Gooddad | June 30, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Everyone seems to agree that Gil can still play, so why move him just for the sake of it if we don't get something of value in return?

Everything I've seen from Wall leads me to believe he doesnt need Hinrich as mentor nor could Gil mess him up...so why not let them form a formidable backcourt together unless someone offers us real talent in return for Arenas?

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I thought the Hinrich trade was a threat to Gil staying but my memories of Hinrich are typically bad plays/missed shots that helped the Wizards win when it was he and Ben Gordon in the Chicago backcourt.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 30, 2010 12:33 PM

Hinrich's not a threat. He's a promise. A promise that one day soon Gil will be traded and the cornerstone of the franchise (Wall) can be mentored by a complete player. A professional. Not a kid trapped in a grown man's body.

As to memories of Hinrich, mine are different. He's made plays against us over the years, knows his basketball and seemed to be pretty adept at picking Gil's pocket. He's not a threat to score 64 like Gil did, but neither is he likely to essentially laugh in the coaches face when asked to play defense, pout when asked to shoot less and pass more, defecate in a rookie's shoe, completely de-wheel someone's car, bring four firearms to the VC, subsequently attempt to orchestrate a cover-up, etc.

Posted by: harrybalz | June 30, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

before that he was droppin 22pts/ 7 assts, since you clearly started watching the wizards after the gun fiasco.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

And those averages were on a upward trajectory. As good as Wall can be, and we all hope he reaches his potential, he will have to go a long way until he reaches Gil level. We can give the ball to Wall in the fourth quarter but that don't mean he will grow to Agent 0 in the fourth.

I wonder if Flip has the time to see the fruit a couple of years from now.

The funny thing is, all Gil's teammates (maybe not Crit), backed Gil when he was injured. The coaches too. Now after the gun incident the Wall, Ted, Flip etc are backing Gil. The people who don't back him, most wish he lost his contract because of the gun incident. What does that tell you?

Was it Gil's fault that Ernie NEVER brought in a legitimate post player? NEVER brought in a legitimate 2-guard after Larry left? Was it Gil that drafted OPech over Rondo, Milsap, among others?

I believe Gil and Wall will be excellent together. Like LarryUpInClinton said, teams need more than 1 star. Pierce, Garnett, and Ray Allen hadn't done sh_t until they were on the same team. Kobe needed Shaq. Shaq left, what did Kobe do? Kobe needed Gasol. Wade had Shaq. What did Wade do since Shaq left Miami? Now LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, trying to play with each other. Why? They know they need more than 1 star. Amongst the current superstar free agent group, where does 22 and 7 fall in place? People want to say Gil can't defend. Can Amare defend? Can Bosh?

Those same 2-guards that Gil will have trouble guarding will have trouble guarding Gil. That is the nature of the game. Unless you got Kobe, who else is a stopper? And Kobe couldn't guard Gil either.

People say Gil can't keep points out of the lane? Who can? Name 1 lockdown point guard. Especially with the no handcheck rule, you can't do it. Gil was defending smaller points who no how to play too. They know how to change pace, cross over, change direction, time their first step to get a step on you. Gil does the same thing and he did the same thing last year on 1 leg even though he was hesitant to finish. Put Gil at the 2 like Flip said and he will be able to stay in front of his man better.

But they can keep hating on Gil not getting locked up for a prank or hating on his contract.

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 30, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Raid?" Getting Yi is considered a "raid?" LOL

Don't think Yi will wear Wiz uniform for more than a year. The trade is more significant to Nets than Wizs.

According to Hoophype.com, Denver is considering trading Melo, does Wiz has enough cap space to get him?

Posted by: sagaliba | June 30, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I remember Hinrich defending Gil on a last second playoff victory too. Hinrich played on a team that was allowed to defend. Gil played on a team that as soon as you breathe on somebody, the ref is calling foul, and that statement is not biased towards Gil, but towards the Wizards. Jamison can't defend either but if you look at Gil playing d, you see what appears like a player scared to touch somebody.

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I remember how his(Blatche) 20 pts a night dropped substantially once teams decided to check him.

Posted by: oknow1

Do you know how to play? Teams started sending extra men at him. Who was the other threats on the court with Blatche? I was watching the Mystics last night and Indiana doubled Langhorne the same way and her numbers dropped. The fact is that Blatche has gained RESPECT from opposing teams, that is why they doubled him. Put him with Wall and Gil and you won't be able to double him like that.

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 30, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

According to Hoophype.com, Denver is considering trading Melo, does Wiz has enough cap space to get him?

Posted by: sagaliba | June 30, 2010 1:20 PM

what could we possibly have to give them in return for 'melo??

AB has a broken foot, Gil costs $80mill, Wall is untouchable, and only on this blog is Yi considered a "skilled, promising, 7 footer"

'melo is a big fish and we aint got no bait

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

G-Man11 go look at the taps's Gil does'nt even try to play defense at time's. where he get's himself in trouble most of the time is trying to double other player's when there is no need to. but most of the time it look's like he's playing defense on skate's. go look on youtube the camera never tell's a lie.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Everyone seems to agree that Gil can still play, so why move him just for the sake of it if we don't get something of value in return?
Posted by: divi3

Because it's not just about being able to play, it's how you play and how you are with the team. It's not a one-to-one comparison, but if Iverson can still play, do you want him on the team? If they are trying to build a contender and establish a different culture than was here before, doesn't it make some sense to clear out one of the most emblematic pieces or that prior culture? I'm not saying I agree with that 100%, I'm sort of in the middle, but that is a counter-argument that there is value in moving him for the sake of moving him.

It's not exactly the same as the Jailblazers, but they did a similar kind of thing. Clear the decks and start fresh. With a new owner, and a new #1 pick, the Wiz have that kind of chance if they want to (and are able to) take it.

Everything I've seen from Wall leads me to believe he doesnt need Hinrich as mentor

Personally, I think you should always have some sort of mentor in place. Cassell will definitely be helpful for Wall, so maybe that's enough. But I think it's also good to have someone there who actually plays and knows the ins-and-outs of the league. Wall has a TON to learn about being a PG in the league.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow, they are the Redskins of basketball. Stink squared! They have no low post presence and Yi makes Jahidi Whiti look like Wilt Chamberlin. Shut this mess down. DC teams are to sports what Earl Scheib is to art.

Posted by: doyouktt


If you dont like DC sports teams why are on the blog?

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

New Mangament same old Wizards.
What a JOKE!

Posted by: shamken | June 30, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

The fans are even more a joke. They dont go to games, buy tickets or even support the team. No they just go on blogs and trash them, then jump on the bandwagon when they become successful like they did the caps. Fans are the real joke in DC.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

What a brilliant marketing move bringing in Yi. You ever been to any NBA arena where either he or Yao are playing. Chinese People EVERYWHERE...

@Larry,

Gilbert Arenas will NEVER be on a championship team.

Further he will not be on this roster by the beginning of the season but damn sure by the trade deadline he will be playing elsewhere.

And then we won't have to read about how great Larry thinks Gil is and how Gil is the best PG in the nba,etc,etc..blah blah blah

Larry Stop it..please

Posted by: kevenjones | June 30, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Remember the disagreement Gil had with Eddie Jordan because eddie asked him to play defense. He went on a rant about how bad it is on his offense to play defense....blah blah blah...he has all the tools to be an elite defender but decides to not put nay effort on the other side...My belief is if you put in effort, your defense will be adequate...esp if they have good athleticism...

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

New Mangament same old Wizards.
What a JOKE!

Posted by: shamken | June 30, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

The fans are even more a joke. They dont go to games, buy tickets or even support the team. No they just go on blogs and trash them, then jump on the bandwagon when they become successful like they did the caps. Fans are the real joke in DC.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

oooo, the horror....not going to watch an inferior team play...the DC area has proved that if the sports teams in this area put out a consistent winner, the fans will rock that place...Caps, Skins (well, we fill Fed Ex anyways), and now Nationals...So yes, MOST FAN-BASES do what you claim...critical on moves we don't think will succeed. It's more pathetic to bash a fan base...Got an opinion, debate it; otherwise stick your head in the ground..

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I dont think Gil could be a good defender even if he wanted to now, not with those knee injuries.

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"And with all the fluff that Ernie is bringing in, we gonna need a Gilbert more than ever."

Funny, I was actually thinking the same thing. If Gil doesn't come back who is going to score on this team?

"But I don't see HOU letting him (Yao) go unless his foot is permanently damaged."

This is his last year in Houston, he said he was not going to opt out. But if that dude comes back and has an All-star year he's going to make some cash next year. I'd like to see Yao paired with Wall, that would be really nice.

"Maybe because he's better than Q Ross and essentially free?"

I kinda see it as a "nothing" for "nothing" trade which does nothing for me personally. The thing is you know what you're going to get in Yi, dude has no upside. Compare him Blatche, well, we could all see Blatche had/has the talent he just has to show up mentally.

"A huge man with a bum foot is someone who's gonna have serious problems for the duration of his career."

They said the same thing about Gasol and dude has two rings. The reason people said he was "soft" was because he got hurt...a lot. Look at him now.

"Hey Ray the next time u email Ted L. tell him if he's wise like we all think he is. he should go get Kevin Pritchard and be through with the EG erorr!"

I didn't mention Pritchard, but that was kind of my point and I mentioned as much. The great thing about Ted is he will email you back, just make sure you're not ranting like a crazy person. :)

"This team could lose by an average of 20 ppg.

Pathetic."

Yeah, it's going to be a long year I am thinking. If Blatche comes back out of shape, Gil is not motivated, and Wall plays like a rookie there's not much to look foward to on this team this year.

I'll still be watching...and hoping I guess.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 30, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

@dcinmd1

HEY, there was no reason to put Roger Mason on that list. He was constantly improving and we blew it an let him go.

And come one, Haywood is a good Center and Blake played decently for us. But we shouldn't sign either.

...otherwise good post :), although I'm pretty sure you forgot about DeShawn Stevenson

OH and Beasley people, let's be pragmatic for a second...the odds of Miami giving Beasley to us are virtually nil. They want to use him to sign and trade for Bosh. If that fails, it's probably b/c they lost Wade, in which case there not going to trade one of the few players left on their roster.

Signing guys like Childress and Yao (is her available?) are probably the biggest free agents we could possibly get, although I would still LOVE to offer D. Lee max while NY is busy looking at all those other FAs, but he probably wants to play for a winner NOW, like all these other FAs...guys with our current cap and situation we are not winners NOW.

A Gortat/Carter trade for Arenas is possible if the East does improve through FAs and Orlando gets DESPERATE to make a change (hell, we might even squeeze a first round pick out of them).

Posted by: mcgratsp | June 30, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Was it Gil's fault that Ernie NEVER brought in a legitimate post player? NEVER brought in a legitimate 2-guard after Larry left? Was it Gil that drafted OPech over Rondo, Milsap, among others?

Was it Ernie's fault that Gil never worked enough on his D? Was it Ernie's fault that Gil didn't rehab his knee properly and then blamed the team for not protecting him from himself? Did EG poop in someone's shoe in Gil's name? Did EG lend Gil the guns to bring into the locker room? Did Ernie tell Gil he should announce he's starting to the press before telling his coach?

I mean, there's plenty of blame to go around for the Wizards fiasco over the past few years, but c'mon G-Man let's not suddenly forget how Gil ended up where Gil is now. That's what people have always done with Gil. Ignore the possibility that the kid has issues because he also has a ton of talent. That's why he got too many passes before his passes ran out. The biggest favor we can all do for Gil, while he gets his third, fourth, fifth or whatever chance this is, is to hold him accountable for the things he has been responsible for. You're doing him no favors by making excuses.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Was it Gil's fault that Ernie NEVER brought in a legitimate post player? NEVER brought in a legitimate 2-guard after Larry left? Was it Gil that drafted OPech over Rondo, Milsap, among others?

Was it Ernie's fault that Gil never worked enough on his D? Was it Ernie's fault that Gil didn't rehab his knee properly and then blamed the team for not protecting him from himself? Did EG poop in someone's shoe in Gil's name? Did EG lend Gil the guns to bring into the locker room? Did Ernie tell Gil he should announce he's starting to the press before telling his coach?

I mean, there's plenty of blame to go around for the Wizards fiasco over the past few years, but c'mon G-Man let's not suddenly forget how Gil ended up where Gil is now. That's what people have always done with Gil. Ignore the possibility that the kid has issues because he also has a ton of talent. That's why he got too many passes before his passes ran out. The biggest favor we can all do for Gil, while he gets his third, fourth, fifth or whatever chance this is, is to hold him accountable for the things he has been responsible for. You're doing him no favors by making excuses.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Put Yi near the Basket and make him develop Pau Gasol type skills. He is still Young enough to learn, especially with a pair of weak side Shot Blockers bakcing him up. On offense you Kick out to Nick Yound or Shaun Livingston, on Defense you get Help and Take Charges.

Posted by: liveride | June 30, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

G-Man11 go look at the taps's Gil does'nt even try to play defense at time's. where he get's himself in trouble most of the time is trying to double other player's when there is no need to. but most of the time it look's like he's playing defense on skate's. go look on youtube the camera never tell's a lie.

Posted by: dakel76

exactly. playing on skates is scared to touch somebody because Gil knows the refs will call a touch foul. Don't act like the refs gave the wiz the benefit of the doubt or "let them play". How often has play been reff'd differently for the wiz on one end than on the other end?

If you can't stay in front of your man, you can't defend him. Gil, being a bigger point guard can't defend points. I agree. But he couldn't touch them either and he knew it. He can do a better job staying in front of 2's. Will he be a lockdown defender, no.

As to why Gil said defending will hinder his offense, he couldn't be Agent0 and defend because he expended to much energy being Agent0. I don't think he is being expected to score 50 or Agent0 anymore.

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 30, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

but c'mon G-Man let's not suddenly forget how Gil ended up where Gil is now. That's what people have always done with Gil. Ignore the possibility that the kid has issues because he also has a ton of talent. That's why he got too many passes before his passes ran out. The biggest favor we can all do for Gil, while he gets his third, fourth, fifth or whatever chance this is, is to hold him accountable for the things he has been responsible for. You're doing him no favors by making excuses.

Posted by: ts35

I definitely understand that Gil has issues. I also understand that he won them more games than ANYBODY else since the 1970's. Everybody was jocking him then. He was serving the community then too. Should he not have undermined EJordan? No. But how many years did EJ last in Philly? When they was playing Cleveland last year and Gil was on the bench during the 4th quarter as Boykins led them to a victory, Gil was clearly chearing.

He made one huge mistake and people want to throw him in the trash. Has he made other mistakes, yes. What HASN'T been done in a sports lockerroom? Gil dumping in a shoe is not different than Shaq dumping in a shoe. But people want to accentuate what he did wrong and forget about all the game winners, all the heroics, all the community service, all the donated $$$.

That does not mean I condone what he did either but I do recognize, like the judge did, that it was a joke.

As for you saying that I am doing him no good for making excuses for him, is that what we do in America? America judges every other country but itself itseems. I can do no wrong and you are evil. America never did anything wrong to the indians, to the africans, to the african americans, to the hispanics. To nobody. Because when America looks in the mirror, and you and I too, we have made a ton of mistakes too. Do you hold yourself accountable like you hold Gil or are you like America?

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 30, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

By the way, as another reference point for building through the draft....the Chicago Bulls teams of the 90s, especially through the first three-peat, were built primarily through the draft. Granted they drafted uncommonly well, netting two players who became all-time greats plus another borderline HoFer, but other contributing pieces were drafted as well.

The team Jordan was drafted to was a disaster with their own marginal players like Dave Corzine and exciting headcases like Orlando Woolridge, but eventually they added pieces.

1983 Michael Jordan
1987 Horace Grant and Scottie Pippen (via draft-day trade)
1989 BJ Armstrong
1990 Toni Kukoc

They had a couple of big misses, in particular with Stacey King and Brad Sellers, but even those guys, along with Will Perdue, Jason Caffey, and others found ways to ultimately contribute.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

You know whats wrong with people today? We all think we can predict the future. We all have the ESPN expert analysis bug and we dont see anything through. Yesterday on ESPN 980 those idiots on late afternoon was trying to predict what will happen to Michael Vick in light of on of ex colleges getting shot outside of the club where he had a party. They wanted fans to call in with their predictions. One fan called in and went on them about being irresponsible for even trying to speculate on something before the facts even came out. And that caller was right. Those idiots were already trying to judge what the NFL comish is going to do and did not even know all the details of the incident. No one cares about being correct anymore, we just want to be the first one that said it.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

all day that! ggod stuff ged0386

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Look Gil is playing for the wiz. next year as it stand's. so i hope he come's back and work well with J.Wall and shut alot of people who are not wiz. fan's up including corn ball from pti. from what i heard every body here have made some great point's. as long as Gil is wearing a wiz. uni. go Gil. we all had to get burned at some point in our live's to know that if u play with fire u will get burned. let's see if he's a changed man if not send his arse home and be through with the Gil era.

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Do you hold yourself accountable like you hold Gil ?

Posted by: G-Man11

Yes. Because I have no choice. I don't have a willing legion of followers ready to make excuses for me because I have millions of dollars or can put a ball in a hoop (though I do have a crazy good jumper).

It's a wonderfully high-minded polemic you have going, but the truth of it is, if I brought guns into my workplace and put them on a co-workers chair and said "Pick one," I'd be fired. Joke or not. I'm pretty good at my job, I've won awards for my job. But I'd be sitting on the curb and the guys inside would be left talking about "Hey remember ts35? He was pretty good. Shame he was an idiot."

On the off-chance I wasn't fired, I feel safe in saying that they wouldn't be tabbing me to mentor new employees and lead the charge to glory.

Everything you're saying just serves to underscore my point. If the team had stepped in more firmly when those other issues came up, maybe it wouldn't have gotten to where it was. If Gil had taken to heart any of the criticism he got for those minor issues before, maybe it wouldn't have gotten this far. If a lot of the fans hadn't expressed unconditional support for Gil.....see where I'm going?

If what we heard about their conversation is correct, then I think Ted has laid it out pretty well, and pretty correctly for Gil. He has said that Gil is a part of this team and they want him to be part of it going forward, but that he has no leash left, no room for error. I think that is 100% correct. And I think that is what is best for Gil. I'm not saying he's a 'bad' person. He's not nearly the worst guy even in the NBA. But just like for all of us, whether we're four year olds, ordinary Joes, basketball stars, wall street traders or careless oil companies, boundaries need to be established and consequences made clear and adhered to.

Giving him a pass on the things he was responsible for because other people didn't do their jobs either or because he can score does no good for anyone, certainly not Gil and certainly not the team. That's how we ended up here in the first place.

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Reading these posts, shows how many retards no nothing about building a team and have never played organized ball in thier lives!

First off, its idiotic to trade Gilbert now. His trade value is lower than it will be around the trade deadline when teams are looking to unload a player who isn't going to sign back (Melo), or looking to diperately add a piece for a playoff push. Around that time Gil's problems will be forgotten a little and he'll be puttin up AT LEAST 20 ppg and 5 ast. I can garauntee that if Gilbert leaves without some kind of scoring replacement or something, the Wiz are a 20-win team at best and John Wall will be counting the days until his rookie contract is done.

The Wizards need to put that 12.1 million to good use and sign a not-quite-a-max-deal player. Like a Rudy Gay or even cheaper J-Chill. And put that exception to use to sign a vetern big man or another scorer that can jus fill it up. Otherwise we will have ONE reliable scoring option, Gilber Arenas.

Posted by: TheMeccaHowardU | June 30, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Wiz Management....PLEASE LISTEN TO ME.... GO & GET John Salmons...he is professional, u know what to expect EVERY night(19 pts & 9 rebs) & he can defend. I REPEAT pick up JOHN SALMONS.

Posted by: cevans1019 | June 30, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

but Gil getting suspended landed us the number one pick and J.Wall. so something positive did come from this situation. it also got us out of some bad contract's AJ,CB and a youth movement which i prefered in the first place. lol

Posted by: dakel76 | June 30, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

You gotta admit - Yi is one handsome dude

Posted by: nativedc | June 30, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"On the off-chance I wasn't fired, I feel safe in saying that they wouldn't be tabbing me to mentor new employees and lead the charge to glory."

Posted by: ts35 | June 30, 2010 2:39 PM

LOL.

Posted by: harrybalz | June 30, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping to see tony allen in the wiz uniform, but it looks like we should be looking for a 3 instead. Or do we go for allen and let NY go 3?

Posted by: Blurred | June 30, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

ts35

I would assume your employer can fire you for that type of joke. But obviously, the NBA can't. You aren't making $100Mil and don't operate in Gil's world where athletes are coddled, and used too. Example, John Wall "went to college" for 1 year. Did he go to learn or because he couldn't go straight to the NBA? Dexter Manley went 4 years to college and didn't even know how to read. Don't tell me John Wall hasn't gotten away with anything. Kobe sure as hell did. Were they crying for Kobe's contract? I don't know if L.A. did or not, but you know my point.

I didn't give Gil a pass and neither did the judge. He was sentenced.

But let me tell you where I am coming from and my background. I have 4 felonies on my record and they occurred while I was working with my current employer, a number of years ago. No they had nothing to do with the workplace. But, my job needs security clearance. My employers know about everything and I could have been fired. I was grateful and changed my life around. I know make 6 figures with the same employer.

I am not owner of my company just like you aren't owner of the wizards.

I am not a judge either and live by the "let he who hath not sinned, cast the first stone" code. Hopefully will take his "mercy" and "go and sin no more".

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 30, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"On the off-chance I wasn't fired, I feel safe in saying that they wouldn't be tabbing me to mentor new employees and lead the charge to glory."

Posted by: ts35

I never said he should mentor anybody. Gil said long ago that he was not a leader. I would hope Wall is strong enough to not be led down the wrong path by anybody. If he is weak, they shouldn't have drafted him. Nick and Andray may be weakminded. McGuire is strong.

Now you can argue that they should not have re-signed Gil to $100mill+, just like the skins should not have signed Haynesworth, but the rules of their contracts and collective bargaining agreements, don't allow for them to "fire" them without effecting the salary caps.

Who made those rules?

What you need to get over is that Gil will get his money, whether as a wizard or not. What Ernie has to do is what is best for the team and right now it is not to "fire" Gil and still pay the contract. What else is not in the best interest of the wizards is to trade Gil's contract for a bum to clear cap space. You still have to sign a star replacement or 2. I don't remember a potential star "signing" with the wizards since.....Gil, and before that.......I don't remember anybody.

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 30, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm a huge fan of Gilbert, and in a perfect world I'd like to see Gil and Wall.

But in the real world attempting that would carry a big risk: a risk to Wall -- the new franchise player, rookie, #1 draft pick.

Heinrick has proven to be valuable mentoring young guards (Rose in Chicago) and he plays a lot of defense. When a Team swears in its franchise player, put his face on the stadium, and plan on marketing around him, they are not going to risk his growth and development to appease a player that had been granted a chance in a multi-million dollar stakes game.

You do stupid stuff and blow your chances with this much money on the line, you can't complain after the fact. Gil couldn't help getting injured and missing two years. But Gil, getting paid what he is, should have been a BB Monk when he finally got back. The team had already blew millions just from his injuries alone, so he owed that to them.

I believe in giving people chances, but I've never been a franchise player in a multi-million dollar arena like the NBA. Some players get three minutes on the floor, miss their baskets, and never get a chance back on the court again. Their careers are over. That's the cold and brutal reality of this high stakes game.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 30, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

That's Right!

Ernie is the man...

Posted by: upscalechef | June 30, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Nothing stirs up our readers more than Gilbert Arenas. Well you can add me to the list of Gilbert defenders. His surgically reconstructed knee should be as strong as it's ever gonna be. He's been out in Chicago working out with his personal trainer. And he's better offensively than anybody else on the current roster [including John Wall; who has yet to score a basket in the NBA].

Folks have short memories. Gilbert Arenas, when movtivated, can be a one-man scoring machine. And we're going to trade him for Gortat? If we wanted Gortat, we could have made a greater effort to keep Ilgauskas!!! Don't even mention Arenas and Gortat in the same sentence.

Posted by: musicmanjr | June 30, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"Eh, I still think NY can earn his way into the rotation. Should be a hyper-competitive situation where he either makes or breaks for once and for all. Backcourt is going to be a strength rather than abhorrent weakness in just 1 offseason, gotta like that.

Not if you're Nick Young you don't. If he couldn't hold onto a rotation spot when the competition was the likes of Roger Mason, Donnell Taylor, Randy Foye, and Earl Boykins, why in the world would anyone think he'll have a better chance when the competition is Arenas, Wall, and Hinrich?

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Hoping for the best from the Wiz this season. expecting the worst. Wall was the only choice at #1. Not sold on Seraphim as there was a ton of proven talent on the board at #17. Unconcerned with 2nd rounders - not like many of them do more than hang on for a few years (Gil excepted of course, perhaps Blatche will surprise us). Worst case scenario - the Wiz suck monumentally and Scheyer-face takes Eric Hayes' roster spot at the end of the bench.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | June 30, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

whats the worst that could happen ? its the Wizards .if he sucks is he going to ruin our Championship run

Posted by: heathdog1119 | June 30, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The true sports fans are just that and most have never been a part of any team. Every so call fan in DC. wants Gil. traded but that would not be smart, he has really had the time to heal and understand his mistakes he will come back a better player!!

Posted by: cullumdl | June 30, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10 and G-Man11 - alright i generalized and i should have put 30 instead of 20. but the point is he had a good week when people did not know who he was but when teams decided to focus on him, as he was the first offensive option, his points dropped to low 20 and high teens. And, most if not all games where he scored 30 points the Wiz lost.

too many of you guys are pure bandwagon, blind loyalist. The Wiz as currently configured, John Wall or not, will suck. Blatche has talent, but his game has weaknesses. he's a NBA 4 that can beat guys off the dribble, but at 6-11 he has no inside moves. And he often get over powered. that's not a NBA PF that can lead his team to wins. that's a guy that can produce good numbers/stats, just like Antwaan Jamison.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 30, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Mike, Can you ask two questions? How much cap room is left and what if any moves do you expect the Wizards to be involved in to complete their roster for this season?

Posted by: buddybuttons5 | June 30, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"Teams are giving away their best players and the Wizards have been opportunistic, to say the least. They are taking advantage of teams that have visions of James wearing their No. 6 jersey..."

Michael, will you autograph my copy of your forthcoming best seller "How I Remained Incompetent and Managed to Keep My Job" ?

Do you fall asleep while writing between paragraphs ?

Posted by: renostaging2005 | June 30, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, how can people say we need to get talent in return for Arenas??? He's owed $80 million over the next 4 years, if we have a chance to get out of that horrible contract we need to do it. I don't care who we get in return, as long as the contract expires in the next year or two. Even if Arenas returned to top form, I still don't think he is worth that much money, especially with all the baggage he brings. I really hope Orlando makes the trade.

Posted by: F0X7 | June 30, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse


Who would go see a Wizards game as long as the biggest idiot in the would - that be Gilbert Arenass - is still on the team?

Come on!

How they can put him on the court with a straight face is beyond me. Is that the kind of bozos you want to go see?

Not me.

Posted by: Jaymand | June 30, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse


Who would go see a Wizards game as long as the biggest idiot in the would - that be Gilbert Arenas - is still on the team?

Come on!

How they can put him on the court with a straight face is beyond me. Is that the kind of bozos you want to go see?

Not me.

Posted by: Jaymand | June 30, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet you watched the Wizards with Arenas before didn't you?

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 1, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

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