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Amare Stoudemire, Knicks agree to deal

Free agent forward Amare Stoudemire and the New York Knicks agreed to a deal Monday.

The deal will reportedly be worth nearly $100 million over five years, making Stoudemire the first of the major free agents to switch teams.

Though there's an agreement in place, deals can't become official until Thursday.

To stay up-to-date on all the latest NBA free agent signings check out The Post's free agent tracker.

By washingtonpost.com Sports Editor  |  July 5, 2010; 6:54 PM ET
 
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Wasn't Stoudemire the guy LeBron James wanted the Cavs to get for the playoffs last year?

Edward J. Cunningham
Rockville, MD

Posted by: femfour | July 5, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see someone is still working at the Post. What kind of Insider information can you give on the Wizzies? Sheesh...

Posted by: mohammed10 | July 5, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see someone is still working at the Post. What kind of Insider information can you give on the Wizzies? Sheesh...

+ 1

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | July 5, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

With Amare in NY, I guess they're now looking around for a PG. Assuming it's not LeBron, the current rumor is David Lee to Golden State for Monta Ellis, who's a scoring machine.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 5, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be interesting to see how this shakes out for NY. I thought they'd be the big loser in all of this. Maybe the Nets are going to have that priveledge.

Posted by: gconrads | July 5, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Of course this is a pipe dream but how about a sign and trade for Lee by dangling Gilbert, wouldn't be giving Gill away,fits a need and a big city just like the kid likes. Probably impossible to work numbers wise but what if?

Posted by: mfowler1 | July 5, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

trade gil and nick young to the hawks for josh smith

Posted by: dc703chillin | July 5, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

The Knicks can't seem to shake themselves out of their Isiah/Marbury nightmare ops mode. The Stoudemire move sounds like more pointless wheel spinning unless they have more moves lined up and a sign and trade, Lee for Monta Ellis is not going to do it.

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 5, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

trade gil and nick young to the hawks for josh smith

Posted by: dc703chillin | July 5, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Ok, now the Knicks have the 2nd worst contract of this FA season. Atlanta's insanity won't be topped.

Posted by: closg | July 5, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

With AS added on the Ny roster and DL signing for another team,What is the upgrade ? If both AS and DL play to NY who is going to be the point gard? Unless there is some one who is capable of interpreating the phylosophy of shooting in the 1st 9 seconds,i would say NY is still a lottery team.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 5, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

People were laughing at the knicks for possibly being SOL if Lebron doesn't sign there b/c they've mortgaged their future in hopes of signing him.

I'd say a team with David Lee (if he returns), Wilson Chandler, Al Harrington, Amare would be pretty dominant. Duhon is a steady PG, and don't underestimate a team with deep pockets and a willingness to gamble in order to win.

Let's not forget that Bill Walker is on the team too....a draft pick by EG who was immediately traded. Bill Walker scored a decent average for a short season with the Knicks last season.

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/walker_will_beyond_time_with_knicks_x202AN24Z8LnsxHSNIJJkJ

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"Wasn't Stoudemire the guy LeBron James wanted the Cavs to get for the playoffs last year?

Edward J. Cunningham
Rockville, MD

Posted by: femfour | July 5, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse "

No, MeTawn was their key to championship glory.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Monta Ellis is a crybaby.

He gets injured riding a moped, lies to the team, and then gets angry when they fine him because his contract stipulates that he can't do those type of activities.

wahh wahhh.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Amare = the best shooting guard NYC will ever get. Heck, he rebounds, defends, and plays like one.. OVERRATED... Knicks were SOOOOOOO desperate.. and bit. See you next year in the lottery if you don't land Lebron.

Posted by: homersimpson10 | July 5, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Amare's getting vastly overpaid...wow, almost as bad as Gil.

I think we need to sign J-Chillz to a nice deal paying about 6 mill a year...and then sign a veteran big man..

look to trade Arenas near the deadline to see if there are any takers if he's having a decent season shooting the ball.

GO WIZ! : )

Posted by: bszdnva | July 5, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Amare's getting vastly overpaid...wow, almost as bad as Gil.

I think we need to sign J-Chillz to a nice deal paying about 6 mill a year...and then sign a veteran big man..

look to trade Arenas near the deadline to see if there are any takers if he's having a decent season shooting the ball.

GO WIZ! : )

Posted by: bszdnva | July 5, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

the amare signing has more to do with not coming away from free agency empty-handed than putting together a championship contender. by several accounts their presentation to the big-name free agents was considered the worst of all the teams in the hunt. knick management did what they felt they had to do to face their fans. as noted earlier, it still doesn't top the atlanta hawks' panic move to max out joe johnson (especially when you consider the fact that their arena ALWAYS seems to be about 70% empty).

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | July 5, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

D'Antoni regarding Stoudemire, “This could help get the dominoes falling, he’ll be a great teammate for somebody.”
Stoudemire regarding Stoudemire, “I feel confident enough to take that first step, and hopefully now we can bring a few guys in to join me.”
Stoudemire regarding James,“Hopefully I can get him to choose us.”
The Knicks have 17 million in cap space left (when they sign Stoudemire).

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 5, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

It's been boring here lately but I didn't expect the Wizards to be newsmakers during the big name free agent signings.

Still, it would be nice to have some articles focusing on what the Wizards are going to do differently to implement Leonsis' rebuilding plan. Draft, develop and retain. I think we are at the develop part.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | July 5, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

You are still seriously crying over not drafting Bill Walker?

The only reason he got any run last year is that it was garbage time on a dismantled knicks squad.

How much PT did he get with the Celtics?

ZERO.

He will never be a starter in the NBA

EVER.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | July 5, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd say a team with David Lee (if he returns), Wilson Chandler, Al Harrington, Amare would be pretty dominant. Duhon is a steady PG, and don't underestimate a team with deep pockets and a willingness to gamble in order to win.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

I'm sorry, I couldn't get past the sentence containing both Al Harrington and 'dominant'. And technically, he's a FA isn't he? As is Duhon? And not sure where Gallinari fits in. I'd imagine they'd pass on resigning Harrington anyway, just so Gallinari sees the floor more.

Short of other moves they might make, haven't we kind of seen this movie before in Phoenix and Washington? Let's get a bunch of guys together who can score and aren't known for playing D and pretend to be surprised when we get bounced from the playoffs in the first round. Granted, I'm sure the Knicks fans would appreciate it in the short-term.

It will be interesting to see what they do. They definitely are lacking playmakers...and defenders....and shooters.

Posted by: ts35 | July 5, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sorry, I couldn't get past the sentence containing both Al Harrington and 'dominant'. And technically, he's a FA isn't he? As is Duhon? And not sure where Gallinari fits in. I'd imagine they'd pass on resigning Harrington anyway, just so Gallinari sees the floor more.

Short of other moves they might make, haven't we kind of seen this movie before in Phoenix and Washington? Let's get a bunch of guys together who can score and aren't known for playing D and pretend to be surprised when we get bounced from the playoffs in the first round. Granted, I'm sure the Knicks fans would appreciate it in the short-term.

It will be interesting to see what they do. They definitely are lacking playmakers...and defenders....and shooters.

Posted by: ts35 | July 5, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse "

Did you miss David Lee and Amare in that "dominant" mention?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 6, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

"You are still seriously crying over not drafting Bill Walker?

The only reason he got any run last year is that it was garbage time on a dismantled knicks squad.

How much PT did he get with the Celtics?

ZERO.

He will never be a starter in the NBA

EVER.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | July 5, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse "

No, I'm actually laughing.

In the same draft class, but 1st round for JaTravel, what did JaTravel do last season for the 4th worst in the league Les BouleS in his garbage time (16.1 min avg vs. Walker's 20.1 min)?

Not much.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 6, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

"Amare = the best shooting guard NYC will ever get. Heck, he rebounds, defends, and plays like one.. OVERRATED... Knicks were SOOOOOOO desperate.. and bit. See you next year in the lottery if you don't land Lebron.

Posted by: homersimpson10 | July 5, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse "

Yeah, there are no overrated players on Les BouleS roster this coming or last season...that's why EG didn't execute any trades last season and is resigning all his FA's too!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 6, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Did you miss David Lee and Amare in that "dominant" mention?

Posted by: DC_MAN88

I may have. I was laughing so hard I was tearing up. Don't get mad at me, you're the one who threw Harrington in there. Perhaps NY_MAN88 would be more appropriate, since you're high on their team and down on DC?

If they keep Lee, if they get a real point guard and if they get perimeter threats, they might be tough to deal with. But even if they do all of those things, dominant for me would be a stretch.

They strike me as a team that would look great on 'O' and horrible on 'D' meaning they would be in a lot of 112-110 games. And would likely get bounced early from the playoffs (if they make it) when defenses tighten and half-court offense becomes more important.

But opinions vary. That's why the play the games. And I'm sure the Knicks aren't done making moves.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Who needs Amare Stoudemire when you have Kevin Seraphin?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see what they do. They definitely are lacking playmakers...and defenders....and shooters.

Posted by: ts35 | July 5, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Whew, scared me ts. For a minute there I thought you were referencing the WIZARDS. Of course, I then realized none of those attributes apply to OUR team.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 6, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

I'd say a team with David Lee (if he returns), Wilson Chandler, Al Harrington, Amare would be pretty dominant.

Monday morning comedy....You hate "MeTawn" but David Lee puts up 20/10 while playing ZERO defense. Harrington isnt coming back and Duhon, Chandler, Harrington, Lee and Amare? 8th seed...first round exit.

Unless you meant dominating a rec league.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Who needs Amare Stoudemire when you have Kevin Seraphin?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

But you didn't want Gil re-signed...but you want to give $100 million to another microfracture patient WITH eye problems too.

Who needs Amare Stoudemire when you potentially have a 6'8" Stevie Wonder?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Heard Mike wise say last night that Gilbert, if he comes back and is at the top of his game it is a win win. Such that, we could package a trade at mid-season with him and Blatche.

What????

What could we get at mid-season for Blatche and Arenas that would be worth it if these guys are bringing it on the floor?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 6, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

LarryInClintonMD makes a good point. If GA is playing well, then why trade him?? If GA is not playing well, we won't get anything worthewhile for him anyway. Until the next CBA is signed, the Wiz need to leave things as is. The only other move right now would be to bring in a veteran big man to work with the young fellas and maybe help out in the locker room. I have not given up on GA yet...I am more interested in seeing if JW turns out to be the real deal...

Posted by: TEliasB | July 6, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Stoudemire without Nash is not the same player, especially since pick-and-roll is pretty much his entire game. I'd rather keep Lee than to spend all this money for an undersized PF who had trouble getting his shot off against LA's bigs.

Posted by: jweber1 | July 6, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Mcgee will eat Amare's lunch by 2012 and be doing it while making approximately 1/5 the salary.

I know they play different positions, but a 23/24 yo McGee will be swatting away a broken down Amare's feeble attempts to drive the lane.

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The knicks could probably get Livingston to sign.

Esp is Amare is even halfway correct about getting Melo to join him...

Regardless of whether the Knicks can get LeBron, they will throw some serious $$$ around and get a roster that looks impressive and will help attract other players.

Whether that translates to wins is another question.

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

McGee is not a starter...however, he is ideal as a platoon big man. He can come in and infuse energy. His issue was that he came into the season out of shape. Towards the end of the season when he got in shape and started getting consistent minutes as a back-up, he was very productive. In April, while averaging 23 mins a game, he averaged 13 points, 2.9 blocks, 8.5 rebs, .8 steals on 52.5 percent shooting...very good numbers for only 23 mins

Posted by: merajc86 | July 6, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

That's why i said by 2012 Mcgee will be dominant

he has made big strides since he has been here and that is without solid coaching.

This will be his breakout year and next year (2012) will be his allstar year.

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Hope Stoudemire has some thick skin, because he's going to be absorbing some serious hits from Knicks fans and media when his $100 mill contract and D'Antoni's no-defense system fails to result in anything resembling a title.

On a side note, every FA big man who gets overpaid this summer should be sending thank you cards to Amir Johnson, and Darko Milicic, for inflating the market by opening the FA signing period with their ridiculous contracts.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"If GA is playing well, then why trade him?? If GA is not playing well, we won't get anything worthewhile for him anyway."

If GA is playing well, that's when there might be a market for him, despite his contract. If he's playing poorly, who would want him?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"he has made big strides since he has been here"

Yeah, none bigger that when he launches himself forward into the air on pump fakes 20 feet from the basket.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

""You are still seriously crying over not drafting Bill Walker?"

I think you have to be careful when looking at numbers that a player puts up for the Knicks or the Warriors. They're like Phoenix used to be -- a scheme that encourages a lot of possessions ending in quick shots. That automatically inflates offensive numbers. With the Warriors, the beneficiaries are Ellis and Stephen Curry.

Means you wouldn't see comparable performance in other schemes.

According to the Boston media, Bill Walker was really the Celts' pick all along. The Wiz just made it for them. Boston liked his defense -- ironic, huh?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Whew, scared me ts. For a minute there I thought you were referencing the WIZARDS. Of course, I then realized none of those attributes apply to OUR team.

Posted by: glawrence007

Actually, in two out of those three areas (defenders, shooters, playmakers), I'd say the current Wiz are ahead of the current Knicks, with defenders being a push where both teams are still a bit laughable (unless the Wiz rooks prove otherwise). The Knicks frontcourt is obviously better, the Wizards backcourt is obviously better. The difference being, the Wizards don't have 3 fat contract players (Amar'e, Curry and Lee if he resigns) just to be mediocre.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Samson...you got remember to ignore BF78 and DC_Man...who pretty much twist anything into a way to be negative...my personal favorite was last season around summer league time...when BF78 said Abe sent the summer league team to Las Vegas later than everybody else because he was cheap.

We need Michael Lee to do a blog on our favorite Bf78 and DC_Man posts...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"I'm sorry, I couldn't get past the sentence containing both Al Harrington and 'dominant'.

Posted by: ts35 | July 5, 2010 11:44 PM

I'm surprised you made it far enough past Wilson Chandler's name to even get to Harrington.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"Stoudemire without Nash is not the same player, especially since pick-and-roll is pretty much his entire game. I'd rather keep Lee than to spend all this money for an undersized PF who had trouble getting his shot off against LA's bigs."

Stoudemire may be many things, but undersized for the PF position is not one of them (esp. in comparison to Lee).

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Max deals for Joe Johnson and Amar'e Stoudemire are Exhibits 1 and 1A for why the Wizards are right in not going after the most highly-sought free agents.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 6, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"Wasn't Stoudemire the guy LeBron James wanted the Cavs to get for the playoffs last year?"

I thought reportedly LeBron wanted Jamison even though people had said the Stoudemire may be the better fit. In the end, Suns still needed Stoudemire for the playoff run, while Wiz is willing to give up Jamison for almost nothing (and that Stoudemire's style does not fit well with Shaq).

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

kalo_rama--Check out AS the next time he comes to town or he's on TV. He's strong but not all that tall. He gets his points moving to the basket with a head of steam; not from low-post moves against taller guys.

Posted by: jweber1 | July 6, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Stoudemire is well within the standard height range for an NBA PF. There's no point even arguing that. And he's certainly as tall or taller than David Lee, so calling him "undersized" while touting Lee is a direct contradiction. As for him not being a great low post player . . . that's not exactly breaking news, but it's irrelevant to the issue of his height at the PF spot.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

And the reason he had trouble getting his shot off against the Lakers is because they have two 7'-plus centers in their starting lineup.

I'm no particular fan of Stoudemire, and he's got many things that merit criticism (his toughness, his defense, his dependence on others to set him up). His height at PF simply isn't one of them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Max deals for Joe Johnson and Amar'e Stoudemire are Exhibits 1 and 1A for why the Wizards are right in not going after the most highly-sought free agents.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 6, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

And that's right in line with the comments LEONSIS has been making regarding the new philosophy of the WIZARDS. Chasing after big FA's with big money deals won't be happening here anytime soon I believe. Like I posted a couple of days ago, what you see is pretty much what you get. Another five, three and guard is about it. And very low budget ones, hungry to prove something on the court not in the locker-room. I like it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 6, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure this has been discussed already but has the NY media brought up a Gilbert for Eddy Curry deal? It seems to make sense for both teams if we really want to get rid of Gil. The Suns get their open court scorer and we get cap relief next year. I would think that a combination of Gil and Amare would be even more attractive to James. It's certainly an upgrade (offensively at least) from what he's had thus far.
Assuming that Gil is fully healthy (and after a couple of summers with Grover, he should be) this is a potentially lethal offensive combination. Add David Lee (moving Stoudemire to C) and you have a very expensive but high powered team.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"I'm sorry, I couldn't get past the sentence containing both Al Harrington and 'dominant'.
Posted by: ts35 | July 5, 2010 11:44 PM

I'm surprised you made it far enough past Wilson Chandler's name to even get to Harrington.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Harrington and 'dominant' caught my eye and I couldn't look away....you know, like a bad car wreck.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Samson...you got remember to ignore BF78...who pretty much twist anything into a way to be negative...


Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU

Other than getting the first pick and drafting Wall, name one thing that was positive over the last 3 years?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

kalo_rama--Check out AS the next time he comes to town or he's on TV. He's strong but not all that tall. He gets his points moving to the basket with a head of steam; not from low-post moves against taller guys.

Posted by: jweber1 | July 6, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse


man up!look at the player profile before you talk that "not that tall" BS. Not that tall in what respect. He's a 6'10" PF,taller than the guy who started PF for us the past 5 seasons ( AJ 6'9), and one inch shorter than our former C Brenda. How many PFs are going 7ft or better, that STAT is undersized at 6'10.

Now if you said he played shorter than he is i doubt anyone would complain.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 6, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

If GA is playing well, that's when there might be a market for him, despite his contract. If he's playing poorly, who would want him?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2010 9:56 AM

That really is the whole point of the matter.

The question that needs to be considered is that if Gilbert is back and in form and is showing that he can produce and that he gets it, then why trade him in a package with Blatche???

Can you possibly name anybody/s that any team would be willing to give up mid-season that would equal the value of those two???

You see, if you are with the camp that says Gilbert has to be gotten rid of because of what he has done in the past and you are convinced that Gilbert cannot play with Wall or ever be viable as a piece to help this team to championship levels, I would suggest to you and your camp that this is all still a very open question.

If Gilbert wasn't the player that he has shown he can be, then yes I'd might consider that you might have to move him irregardless for what has occurred in the past.

However, let me remind that if Gilbert is able to retain his old form and also matured as a person, something that all people do mind you, Gilbert Arenas was rated as one of the best guards in the league.

You can't just trade away a top player in the entire league along with a player the caliber of Blatche just to clear cap room, or for some respectable FA role player/s.

For Blatch and Arenas, you have got to give me a star.

For Blatch and Arenas, I'd want Durant. Don't think OK will do that.

That is the significance if Arenas becomes tuly marketable by mid-season.

So guess what "Get Gilbert Outahere At All Cost People", In order to trade him he has got to be good again all the way around and if that is evident then he is one of the best players in the League.

So Trade Him For Whom Or For What I Ask You???

Maybe Mike Wise knows cause he willing to throw Blatch in to sweeten the deal for somebodyelse. Please.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 6, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"I'm sure this has been discussed already but has the NY media brought up a Gilbert for Eddy Curry deal? It seems to make sense for both teams if we really want to get rid of Gil. The Suns get their open court scorer and we get cap relief next year. I would think that a combination of Gil and Amare would be even more attractive to James. It's certainly an upgrade (offensively at least) from what he's had thus far.


Assuming that Gil is fully healthy (and after a couple of summers with Grover, he should be) this is a potentially lethal offensive combination. Add David Lee (moving Stoudemire to C) and you have a very expensive but high powered team."

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2010 10:55 AM

I could see that deal being considered by the Knicks, esp. if they miss out on all of the other FAs (the fact that they Amare is their first big "get" doesn't bode well for them), but I would doubt they'd do it during the offseason. Any team that trades for Arenas (and I've been saying since the gun story broke that there would be a market for him) would first want some concrete proof that he's not permanently damaged goods physically. I would be surprised if he's not still with the Wiz when the season opens.

Of course, if NY did do the deal, it would be a big red flag of desperation, doomed to result in disappointment and crushed expectations for Knicks fans.

But that's just an added bonus.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

kalo_rama--Check out AS the next time he comes to town or he's on TV. He's strong but not all that tall. He gets his points moving to the basket with a head of steam; not from low-post moves against taller guys.

Posted by: jweber1

Amare is right in the ballpark for height for PFs. He's in that 6'9"-6'10" range with around a 9' standing reach (while noting divi's objection that Combine heights are not gospel). Same basic height as Boozer, a little shorter than Bosh, a little taller than Lee. Blatche is taller, but less athletic, relatively speaking. Amare's just definitely more of a face-up 4 than a back-to-the-basket 4, just like Bosh and Lee. That has more to do with his skillset than his size.

Lee is certainly big enough for the 4, he and Amare both just really give up a lot of size when asked to play the 5.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Anybody peep that silent season ticket price increase? LOL

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU

Other than getting the first pick and drafting Wall, name one thing that was positive over the last 3 years?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

1. The emergence of Blatche last season.
2. The turnover of ownership to Ted (which you went on and on about for months....then ripped Ted less than a month after taking over.)
3. The break up of a team that was going nowhere (Which you then said was done to save money.)

Three years ago they were in the playoffs.

It's more about your "praise" of other situations. Calling Jameer Nelson a true PG...saying the Nets would be a better team this season with Favors at SF, Ray Allen at SG and Amare at PF.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Samson...you got remember to ignore BF78...who pretty much twist anything into a way to be negative...


Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU

Other than getting the first pick and drafting Wall, name one thing that was positive over the last 3 years?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 11:02 AM

Aww 78, how could you fall for that. Just because one states obvious opinions dosen't make them negative. And on the other hand John Wall and the number one pick can't be the only positive thing for 3 years.

It's all how you look at it. Getting rid of Etan Thomas was a great positive for me. LOL.

Also, BF78, the Mystics are Twelve and Five and they might be the first professional team to win a Championship rounds these parts in a while.

Woundn't that be Grand?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 6, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

@SDMDTSU


OOPS

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 6, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

The question that needs to be considered is that if Gilbert is back and in form and is showing that he can produce and that he gets it, then why trade him in a package with Blatche???
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Part of that depends on your perspective on Gil and AB. If you're in the Gil-is-a-ticking-time-bomb and AB-is-still-an-unproven-mini-headcase camps, then the threshold for the trade is lower. Personally, I'm on the fence and in wait-and-see mode.

But I tend to agree, if both AB and Gil are playing well, then I think they should only do that deal for a big fish, who is still young. Durant and Melo are the two names that come to mind. CP3 would normally be on that list, but with JW, trading for CP3 makes less sense. Given that OKC and Denver would likely only let Durant and Melo go for financial reasons, I can't see why they would take Gil's contract back (sort of regardless of what they think of him as a player) unless the Wiz take other bad salary back.

Al Jefferson plus one of the 47 young SFs (obviously not Johnson) the T-Wolves have acquired would be worth thinking about, but you might just be trading head cases. Jefferson provides a more physical presence than AB, and one that can legitimately man the 5 spot. It puts less pressure on Serpahin and Booker to be anything other than what they are. But the fact that Minnie is willing to move him definitely says something. Plus, I think if EG does any more trades with Kahn, fans are going to lose their minds.

The other scenario they might consider is a good young player still on a rookie contract, plus draft picks, plus a bad salary in return, depending on the length.

The reason I think they might consider moving Gil (with or without AB) for less than what most would consider comparable value has to do with their apparent timetable. Ted's 'tortoise' approach sounds three year (ish) timetable. In three years, Gil will be 31, on knees that might be considerably older. Certainly, even with the injuries, not having played full seasons over the past three years helps with the wear-and-tear. And NBA players are still very productive in their early 30s, so there is no imperative to move him soon. But if they get a deal they like that involves some combo of young players, picks and cap relief, I'm sure they'd consider it.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Can't say I'd be enthused about the prospect of Al Jefferson. He's coming off a year in which his numbers dropped some after major knee surgery. Could be that he's just working his way back, but I'd be leery of another guy with knee issues. In the bigger picture, I think Jefferson may be cementing his status as Shareef Abdur-Rahim v2.0: a guy who puts up big numbers on lousy teams but doesn't seem to have a lot of impact in terms of making them much better.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Can't say I'd be enthused about the prospect of Al Jefferson. He's coming off a year in which his numbers dropped some after major knee surgery. Could be that he's just working his way back, but I'd be leery of another guy with knee issues. In the bigger picture, I think Jefferson may be cementing his status as Shareef Abdur-Rahim v2.0: a guy who puts up big numbers on lousy teams but doesn't seem to have a lot of impact in terms of making them much better.

Posted by: kalo_rama

I think that's coming off of an uneven sample though. He was young when he was with the Celts, and for the rest of the time, he's been with Minnesota, which over the past couple of years pretty much speaks for itself.

I did have the same thought though, except I tend to think of him as Zach Randolph 2.0, meaning he's a bit of a headcase (which I don't think Abdur-Rahim ever was), but also with the hope that at some point he might figure it out.

Jefferson, to my understanding, doesn't necessarily fit in with their new mode of 'character' guys, either. He makes a degree of basketball sense, and would be hitting his 'prime' in two or three years, but it would definitely be a big risk for both teams.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

@ts35,

Makes great sense to me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 6, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Summer league games start next week.
Any news on roster?
Practices?
Anything?

Posted by: VBFan | July 6, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Jefferson also has a hard earned rep as a black hole on offense, and if part of the rationale for trading Arenas is to avoid conflicts over who gets the ball, replacing him with Jefferson may not be the best option.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

NBATV is carrying the ORL summer league for free right now, hopefully next week too.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 6, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

It's refreshing to see that many of you now see the wisdom of Ernest Grunfeld's restraint regarding free agency. The fact that you didn't recognize his brilliance earlier is nothing to be ashamed of as it has been a recurring theme in his career. Genius is often misunderstood initially. He's the chess master plotting and planning five steps ahead while the fans and even other front-office executives are playing checkers. The best part? He's just getting started.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 6, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Jefferson also has a hard earned rep as a black hole on offense, and if part of the rationale for trading Arenas is to avoid conflicts over who gets the ball, replacing him with Jefferson may not be the best option.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Tru dat. Although at least the shots being jacked up would likely be from 10' and in as opposed to 23' and out. :)

The only other plus is that Jefferson's contract is significantly less than Gil's and a year shorter.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

It's refreshing to see that many of you now see the wisdom of Ernest Grunfeld's restraint regarding free agency. The fact that you didn't recognize his brilliance earlier is nothing to be ashamed of as it has been a recurring theme in his career. Genius is often misunderstood initially. He's the chess master plotting and planning five steps ahead while the fans and even other front-office executives are playing checkers. The best part? He's just getting started.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 6, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

for the record,Ted Leonsis said that HE was not interested in pursuing FAs and that HE was taking HIS team in another direction. Grunfeld couldn't offer a big time FA if he wanted to, not as long as Ted didn't want to.

Let's not forget, they haven't started playing basketball yet. EGs plan; as if it were crafted independently, doesn't have a discernable "endgame." If they make the playoffs, he's a genius for putting the team together. if they end up in the lotto again, it's gonna be "....we knew what we were in for ......rebuilding.....fiscal responsibility." It's a win-win for EG in that respect.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 6, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Jefferson also has a hard earned rep as a black hole on offense, and if part of the rationale for trading Arenas is to avoid conflicts over who gets the ball, replacing him with Jefferson may not be the best option.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Tru dat. Although at least the shots being jacked up would likely be from 10' and in as opposed to 23' and out. :)

The only other plus is that Jefferson's contract is significantly less than Gil's and a year shorter.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse
not to mention, i doubt Big Al will be waiting at the threepoint line for JW11 to pass him the ball as soon as he crosses mid court. as long as Al plays close to the basket i don't see a problem with him chucking. He's really good on the block, it's not like a certain "20/10" guy we used to have who shot it whenever, from wherever (sometimes while not even looking at the basket). I expect the Wiz to go a lil more uptempo anyway though.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 6, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

NBATV is carrying the ORL summer league for free right now, hopefully next week too.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

I think they did last year too. You can also watch it online. Or watch games you missed.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU

This is all you couls come up with?

1. The emergence of Blatche last season.

I wrote that I thought Blatche did a good job last year...

2. The turnover of ownership to Ted (which you went on and on about for months....then ripped Ted less than a month after taking over.)

I stated I would be 100% behind Ted if he fired Ernie and the rest of the clowns that made this organization a joke...

3. The break up of a team that was going nowhere (Which you then said was done to save money.)

See above...

Three years ago they were in the playoffs.

surely you jest!

Am I supposed to be a blind follower and just agree with what the organization sells me?

I don't think so, I'll leave those posts to you and melodious_thunk

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

It's more about your "praise" of other situations. Calling Jameer Nelson a true PG...saying the Nets would be a better team this season with Favors at SF, Ray Allen at SG and Amare at PF.


I guess we just ignoring that. Cool.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Am I supposed to be a blind follower and just agree with what the organization sells me?
Posted by: bulletsfan78

Not at all. At the same time, are you supposed to be a blind follower and just disagree with everything the organization does?

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget, they haven't started playing basketball yet. EGs plan; as if it were crafted independently, doesn't have a discernable "endgame." If they make the playoffs, he's a genius for putting the team together. if they end up in the lotto again, it's gonna be "....we knew what we were in for ......rebuilding.....fiscal responsibility." It's a win-win for EG in that respect.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 6, 2010 1:13 PM

EGs feet need to be held a little closer to the fire than that imo. Here they are raising ticket prices off a complete debacle of a season, and you can just see the built-in excuses the "plan" comes with. Hinrich kinda sucks and is way overpaid? No worry, he was just a necessary salary absorption so we could land Seraphin. Oh but wait, cant judge Seraphin for 3yrs, he's too raw.

Screw that. I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect Seraphin and Booker to produce something in year 1 on such a dismal team. You move up in the draft and take on $17mill to get them, they should at least be able to show reason for hope!

And you can bet Flipper isnt thinking a 28 win season is ok, so I dont see why fans should simply accept it as a foregone conclusion and a-ok.

Of course, the way you lose 55 games is more important than the final tally. Everybody will be ok with a dynamic team that shows effort and flashes but doesnt know how to win. A rudderless ship that's just flat putrid is what's not acceptable.

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Not at all. At the same time, are you supposed to be a blind follower and just disagree with everything the organization does?

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes, If all the organization does is make bad moves!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

It's more about your "praise" of other situations. Calling Jameer Nelson a true PG...saying the Nets would be a better team this season with Favors at SF, Ray Allen at SG and Amare at PF.


I guess we just ignoring that. Cool.


Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Jameer Nelson was St. Joe's point guard for 4 years?

Amare signed with NY so we will never know about that...

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

As to trading Gil/AB if they are ballin....why tie them together? Gil is on one of the worst contracts in the entire league and AB is on one of the very best. Gil will be moved at the drop of hat I think, if they can find a suitor.

AB is here to stay for at least this full season, if he plays even 90% as well as he did last season his contract is still an obscene value. Should he be a 22/8/4 player....his deal looks like the single shrewdest move EG has ever made.

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

SURPRISE!
The Washington Wizards were ranked 122nd out of 122 pro teams in fan relations.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/07/the_wizards_have_the_countrys.html?wpisrc=nl_sports

Posted by: VBFan | July 6, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

And you can bet Flipper isnt thinking a 28 win season is ok, so I dont see why fans should simply accept it as a foregone conclusion and a-ok
Posted by: divi3

That's two separate thoughts though. I think most of us accept that it's most likely going to be another 25-30 win season. That's not the same as being ok with it. I'm sure I'll still be yelling at the screen or at the players in person, criticizing coaching moves and all of the stuff that I normally do.

If there's any part that accepts it as a-ok, it's only on a deferred disappointment plan if they don't continue to head in a positive direction.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I am not a full blown EG apologist in the mode of Thunk but do think the strategy so far this summer, both in respect to the draft and FA market, has been pretty sound.

Up until now, I have also been pretty squarely in the "let's give the gilwall backcourt a chance" camp.

But it would also be hard to avoid the temptation to deal Gil on favorable terms to a team that loses out on the LeBron-Wade-Bosh sweepstakes and needs a backcourt guy like Gil to pair with a bigtime frontcourt player or off-guard in a win-now scenario.

Heyyy kids, we all know about those, don't we?

Orlando just spent $16 million for four years of Chris Duhon to back up Jameer Nelson. Neither of those guys has the wherewithal to potentiate Howard. New York is going to need a backcourt guy to complement Amar'e. Dallas can't keep counting on Jason Kidd and Dirk ain't getting younger. After spending all those bux of JJ, who plays point for Atlanta, certainly not Bibby's ghost? And so on.

Hey Knicks, Wanna give us Danillo and Eddy's expiring for Gil?

Uh, Mr Cuban, how about Damp's instant expiring and Roddy Buckets?

Magic Kingdom... uh Gortat and Pietrus would do just fine, thank you.

Hawkies, send us Marvin Williams, Zaza the beast, and a draft pick.

My heart still wants to see Gil a Wiz, but my head is starting to tell me these types of trade scenarios make sense.

Posted by: khrabb | July 6, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Jameer shared the duties with Delonte.

In the NBA he is not a "true" PG you always talk about. He's more of a shooter.

The point was you tried to discredit the Wizards (even by having Wall on the bench) by boosting up the Nets with players they didn't have...and WON'T have.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

My heart still wants to see Gil a Wiz, but my head is starting to tell me these types of trade scenarios make sense.

Posted by: khrabb | July 6, 2010 1:51 PM

I had read one of the reasons for Darko's deal was that ownership is assuming a lockout to the extent the majority of the 1yrs salary wont be paid. If there actually owners thinking like that and it makes Gil's deal (in their minds) closer to $60mill...helps grease the wheels on a trade

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

About bundling Arenas and Blatche in a trade package -- I assume the idea is to use Blatche to get rid of Arenas' contract, and possibly get a favorable draft choice for 2011 or room to sign a FA in the next class.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, we can make this Wiz franchise profitable just on the hope for the future!! Then we don't have to spend any big money on anyone. We can just put this subpar team on the floor each season--then point to the next season as the time to "make our move." I swear I thought Ted Leonsis was better than this. I thought he was better than maintaining the charade of or shadow of an NBA team simply to make money. I was wrong--dead wrong. He's a lot like frugal Abe was. Too much so. The curse of Les Boule lives on."

So, what would you have had Leonsis do? Go out and spend "max" money for a less-than-max talent? The real "max" players, like James, Wade, and maybe Bosh, were NEVER going to come here, because we don't have the supporting cast to make a legitimate championship run next year, and because DC lacks the mega-city allure and media opportunities available in, say, NYC. So we would have had to overpay to even have a chance to attract a Stoudemire, a Joe Johnson, a Boozer or even a David Lee. How has signing overpaid free agents worked for Dan Snyder? About as well as I expect that it will work for the Knicks, unless they are able to land a true "max" player to pair with the defensively-challenged, somewhat-fragile Stoudemire. The one "max" guy that we could have signed with the cap room that we had would not have been enough for this team to make a serious championship run. Leonsis is taking the right tack in building the team's talent base through the draft, and then later, if necessary, supplementing that talent through free agency.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 6, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Without Nash, he is average all around

Posted by: Bious | July 6, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

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