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Despite foot injury, Andray Blatche focused on his physique

It may have been a little troubling to see Andray Blatche walking through the hallways at Verizon Center two weeks ago with the assistance of crutches and a huge protective boot on his foot. But as Blatche watched his teammates preparing for summer league and joked with John Wall during an interview, it was also hard to ignore that he was noticeably sleeker.


I'm getting fit in spite of my foot. (Photo by Toni L. Sandys/The Washington Post)

Blatche couldn't estimate how much weight he has lost, but admitted that his primary concern this offseason was transforming his physique. The 6-foot-11 Blatche has always been relatively slender but didn't have much muscle definition. Blatche said that remains the goal even after he was forced to have surgery last month to repair a broken bone in his right foot.

"I keep working hard and going through rehab," Blatche said recently. "I changed my diet, working harder. Eating right and drinking right. Before the foot injury, I was in the gym every day working, so my body could be ready for the 82 games. That's the main thing for me, my body. That's what I'm focusing on. Just rehabbing, taking it day by day, working out. Not trying to be lazy. So, I'm getting in the weight room."

Blatche averaged 22.1 points on 48.5 percent shooting with 8.3 rebounds and 3.6 assists in the final 32 games after the Wizards dealt away Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison, and Gilbert Arenas was suspended for the remainder of the season. He may not be the offensive focal point he was late last season, with No. 1 overall pick Wall in the fold and Arenas expected to return.

Although the Wizards traded for Yi Jianlian, signed Hilton Armstrong and Al Thornton has played power forward before, they will need Blatche to provide the bulk of the interior scoring. He understands that this was an important offseason for his development. "It's still a big summer for me," he said. "I'm still working out, still staying in shape. The basketball part is easy, that's part of my instincts. That's going to be easy. I just got to make sure my body stays strong and I stay in shape."

Blatche is still unsure when the injury occurred. He played some pickup basketball at Barry Farm but said the pain became overwhelming during a workout at Verizon Center. "I was walking on it a little bit, playing on it a little bit. I was limping, but still doing stuff," he said. "I went to the doctor's office after a couple of days and was like, 'This hurts.' They said, 'Yeah, you broke it.' "

He said he cursed after seeing the X-ray. But he remains upbeat about being ready for the regular season. "Definitely. I'll definitely be back for training camp, working out with my team," said Blatche, who had a screw inserted into his foot during surgery. "They said I'll be out eight to 10 weeks, so I should be back by September, as long as I keep working hard and going through rehab."

By Michael Lee  |  July 22, 2010; 12:56 PM ET
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Earlier I posted that this injury might be the best thing that could happen to Blatche. Injuries have a way of putting things in perspective, not to mention for a player like Blatche, surgeries also require extensive rehab (which requires extensive work in the weight room). From the sound of it, Blatche looks to be benefiting from both of those aspects.

I'm looking forward to seeing a dedicated, fit Blatche making full use of his talents this season.

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Surely the haters will continue to hate, but it really sounds like the lightbulb has gone off or is at least flickering brightly. No more all-you-can-eat-wings at Hooters on 7th&I for AB!

Posted by: divi3 | July 22, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

yeah, not to say that he has arrived as far as his work ethic but it would appear that it is trending upward.

Glad to hear it.

Posted by: millineumman | July 22, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Dray is a vet now and one of the top 2 or 3 most talented players on the team. Especially as far bigs. They will need him to play and act as such.

Posted by: millineumman | July 22, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking forward to seeing a dedicated, fit Blatche making full use of his talents this season.

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2010 2:24 PM

If that's who shows up, he'll put up All-Star numbers in his sleep with Wall running PG.

Wall is the goods. In everything he says and how he plays. He'll take his lumps but it's already clear a low ceiling for him would be top5 or so PG in the league.

Given that, if AB has truly arrived we'd be a Javale away from having as good a young core to build around as any team could ask.

It aint about future lotto picks and blah, blah....key is maximizing the guys we already have. Wall and AB have flat out sick levels of talent, and Mcgee is some sort of who-knows-what that appears to be singular in the league. Make it work Flip!

Posted by: divi3 | July 22, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm still working out... Sounds good Still staying in shape... Okay, right. The basketball part is easy... Ooops. That's part of my instincts. Mmmmmaybe not. That's going to be easy. Time to revisit those instincts.

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 22, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

hater alert

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 22, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Coach K is opting for a pressure defense, running style offense for this National Team.

Yet another good sign for McGee. Not one of those big men can handle McGee flying up and down the court.

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"I'm still working out... Sounds good Still staying in shape... Okay, right. The basketball part is easy... Ooops. That's part of my instincts. Mmmmmaybe not. That's going to be easy. Time to revisit those instincts."

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 22, 2010 2:59 PM

Ha! You beat me to it!

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 22, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 22, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about? He has good basketball instincts and great talent. His issue was basketball IQ and work ethic. He seems to have gotten the work ethic part down (past two years coaches raved about that). Also, coaches said he started to prepare for games like an NBA player because he was getting double triple teamed night in night out. Lets see if he can keep on doing that...

Posted by: merajc86 | July 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Agreed psps23

I have said all along that McGee runs the court like Ralph Sampson did back in the day. There was an All-star game that Sampson played in with Magic and Magic showcased Sampson. Wall will showcase McGee on the break.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"What are you talking about? He has good basketball instincts and great talent. His issue was basketball IQ and work ethic. "

That's an inherent contradiction. Basketball instincts and basketball IQ are both rooted in decision making. He can't really be good at one and have issues with the other, as they're basically the same thing.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 22, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

This really doesn't sound like the guy that Kalo_rama keeps describing.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

hater alert. I've been an AB booster over the years. Always thought he needed more PT, but he's also been a serial screwup, not by malice or design but there it is.
As noted he became the offensive focal point at the end of last season which made him productive and happy(except for the pout when Flip sat him during a game). With Arenas back and Wall running the offense he may become the second or third option; how well is he going to handle the competition from Yi? I hope Blatche delivers on his potential but this is not going to be easy for him.

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 22, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Having McGee on one side of the basket and Blatche on the other, the defense will naturally have to protect the lob pass from Wall to McGee, this will definitely open up things for Blatche. Having the pick and roll set up with McGee and Wall will leave Blatche open to score under the basket. With the defense rotating to stop the outside shot by Arenas, Blatche will benefit from the pass by Arenas. Wall creates so many different types of opportunities for all the players. Driving to the basket he can go all the way, or kick back to Arenas or dish off to Blatche and McGee or a trailing Booker. This team could be stacked.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | July 22, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 22, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Not necessarily. IQ stems from learning more about the game, studying other players, angles etc. Instincts are more inherent. Instincts is more about using your talent. Andray uses his talent pretty well whenever he got consistent PT (hence his instincts). Guys come into the NBA all the time with all the talents in the world but isn't able to do much. Gerald Green is a perfect example. He has talent but never that productive. Combine that with a low IQ and it's clear why he is out of the NBA. If AB doesn't have instincts nor IQ, he would not be playing right now.

Posted by: merajc86 | July 22, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 22, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Lol Yi won't be competition for him. He also was noted saying he would love more help in the scoring aspect. Plus, I think John Wall will hook him up nicely for a bunch of scoring opportunities.

Posted by: merajc86 | July 22, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Another example:

McGee has great shot blocking instincts. However, his basketball IQ is not there yet. Hence, he goes after every block. Gather more IQ, he will become more effective.

Posted by: merajc86 | July 22, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Lol Yi won't be competition for him. He also was noted saying he would love more help in the scoring aspect. Plus, I think John Wall will hook him up nicely for a bunch of scoring opportunities. Sounds good. The highlight reels you guys have playing in your heads of Wall, Arenas, McGee and Blatche terrorizing the NBA are sweet, but I don't think it's going to be easy.

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 22, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Ted qualifies "rebuilding" with "total" and "complete" and people still insist that AB is part of the future. Blatche's instincts are to shoot jumpers or go soft to the rim, and to not get dunked on. The Wizards won't pay him the kind of money he wants, so let's hope that he plays well enough this year to get something for him.

Posted by: djnnnou | July 22, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 22, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Agreed...chemistry won't be there yet. Also, defense may be par at best (i think 2's in the nba will abuse arenas). Turnovers will also be an issue. But, they will be an exciting team to watch. It will be ugly @ times. But when they do play the same tune, it will be fun to watch.

Posted by: merajc86 | July 22, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"McGee has great shot blocking instincts. However, his basketball IQ is not there yet. Hence, he goes after every block. Gather more IQ, he will become more effective."

No. Sorry, but no.

McGee has poor shot blocking instincts because he lacks the bball IQ to distinguish between what is and isn't a good block opportunity. His instinct is to block every shot, but because he has such a low bball IQ, he jumps out of his shoes on every pump fake or raised eyebrow. Therefore his attempts result in more bad plays (blown defensive assignments, fouling shooters 20 feet from the basket, giving up defensive rebounding position) than it does in positive plays (blocked or altered shots).

They go hand in hand.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 22, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"This really doesn't sound like the guy that Kalo_rama keeps describing."

Oh, on the contrary. This:

"The basketball part is easy, that's part of my instincts. That's going to be easy."

Sounds very much like the guy I've been describing.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 22, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 22, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

We can agree to disagree. He is a great shot blocker. When a shot is in the air and he goes after it, most of the time he will block it. At times, teams stop going to the rim due to his presence. Yet his basketball IQ isn't that great and therefore goes after blocks he shouldn't. This puts him in precarious positions or he ends up fouling someone. IQ and instincts are not the same thing...

Posted by: merajc86 | July 22, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

BTW, someone with poor instincts would not be putting up 4/5/6/7 (and even 10+ one or 2 games) assists when he was getting double and triple teamed.

Posted by: merajc86 | July 22, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm still working out... Sounds good Still staying in shape... Okay, right. The basketball part is easy... Ooops. That's part of my instincts. Mmmmmaybe not. That's going to be easy. Time to revisit those instincts.

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 22, 2010 2:59 PM

Basketball is pretty easy for AB, his shot is smooth, he has a bazillion moves around the rim, and he sees open guys pretty well as evidenced by the assists. Exhibits pretty good hands defensively as well.

How else do you explain the types of stats he puts up whenever he gets the minutes, despite often being pot-bellied and out of breath? If he comes in with a leaner body and better conditioned, he'll school opposing front-courts every night with the help of Wall.

That's exactly why EG drafted him, and why the org has quietly put up with every single incident etc that happened with him.

Posted by: divi3 | July 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to see Wall throwing lobs to McGee and AB 10 times a game.

Posted by: lavar609 | July 22, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

And while people drool over Brook Lopez and see such potential in Yi....let's not forget that AB averaged 25pts/9rebs/5assts/1.5stls on 55%FG in 4 games (all wins) over that frontcourt this year. Who says pimpin aint easy?

Posted by: divi3 | July 22, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Did you know that there are some people who actually think Wade is a better basketball player than Lebron?

Crazier things have happened, I guess. I mean enough voters thought Dirt Nowitski deserved an MVP...go figure

Posted by: Vicc | July 22, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

How else do you explain the types of stats he puts up whenever he gets the minutes, despite often being pot-bellied and out of breath?
Obviously he's talented, the question with Blatche (and Arenas the same) has always been about coachability and team play.

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 22, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse


Having spent more then a few years coaching, I can tell you there is a clear difference between instincts and IQ.

If a kid doesn't have the intincts to block a shot, you can't teach it, no matter how hard you try. Like hitting a baseball, you can work with someone who has the instincts. If the instincts aeren't there you can never develop a hitter.

If a player does have the instincts, you can work with them to teach them to have the basketball IQ to know when it's smart to go after a shot, and when to stay on the floor.

The Basketball IQ to know when, is what McGee is still working on. But if you really watched the summer league games, McGee drew some 3 second calls from guys triple pumping trying to get him to go up.
He wouldn't have gotten the call if he hadn't stayed on the floor.

McGee's still a work in progress, but he's got excellent shotblocking instincts. His basketball IQ is still a work in progress.

The more he plays at a high level with point guards that know how to help him excell, the better he'll. A stint with Team USA will be good for him. Basketball IQ often is gained the quickest by playing with smart players.

That's another reason that I feel Ernie was willing to take on Hinrich's contract. Hinrich is a high IQ player, adding to the team's overall Basketball IQ is important.

Wall has out of this world instinct on the court, experience will give him the IQ to know what he can and can't do on the court with the best players in the world.

Raising the overall Basketball IQ of this team is why I think the Wiz would be smart to make a play for Shaq. The frontline is one big burly center away from being pretty good. 15-25 minutes a night of Shaq Daddy would do wonders for Flip's frontline rotation.

Posted by: flohrtv | July 22, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 22, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Actually I share those exact same concerns...with Gilbert that is. He has always been a weird dude that likes to skip to his own beat. I am hoping (and most probably will) follow the coach after not being able to run the 1. I think this past year humbled him and will allow him to concentrate on playing the 2. Good link on how he will team with Wall:

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2010/7/21/1580793/why-does-gilbert-arenas-need-a

Posted by: merajc86 | July 22, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: flohrtv | July 22, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Completely agree (minus the Shaq comment....do you think he will get along at all with Gil???)

Posted by: merajc86 | July 22, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Shaq loves DC, as in the City itself...but can't imagine he'd ever play here given our situation. But man that would be a trip!

Posted by: divi3 | July 22, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Having spent more then a few years coaching, I can tell you there is a clear difference between instincts and IQ.

Posted by: flohrtv | July 22, 2010 4:46 PM

^What a load. Flohrtv = Ed "19-63" Tapscott. Your players are doomed.

Posted by: prescrunk | July 22, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Shaq loves DC, as in the City itself...but can't imagine he'd ever play here given our situation. But man that would be a trip!

Posted by: divi3 | July 22, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Freshly minted bachelor Shaq in the same town with the yet married Ms.Laura Govan..........can anybody say guns in the locker room?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 22, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Freshly minted bachelor Shaq in the same town with the yet married Ms.Laura Govan..........can anybody say guns in the locker room?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 22, 2010 4:57 PM

^shut up

Posted by: prescrunk | July 22, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"I'm getting fit in spite of my foot." says Blatche in the picture.

That's pretty funny.

Posted by: RedCherokee | July 22, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"Surely the haters will continue to hate, but it really sounds like the lightbulb has gone off or is at least flickering brightly."

I hope you're right, but . . . He has made similar statements in previous years, with no change in his level of production until the last part of last season. Not a hater, just a skeptic . . .

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 22, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Blatche can be an all star and a very productive teammate if coach Flipper use him correctly. and stop redo his weak play calling system I personally think Blatche is the best player on the team who can get the easiest baskets...

Option #1 Blatche - inside/mid range jumpers
Option #2 Wall - assist and layups
Option #3 Arenas - layups and jumpers

Posted by: pusha-d | July 22, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

When a shot is in the air and he goes after it, most of the time he will block it."

Sorry but that is, as a basic matter of fact, not true. He averaged less than 2 blocked shots per game. We all know he goes after a helluva lot more than that. That's true of most shotblockers, not just McGee.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 22, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Ranking All 30 NBA GMs
via bulletsforever

Ernie at 18 seems about right.

Posted by: djnnnou | July 22, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

You hear that, melodious_thunk? Grunfeld is 18th!

Posted by: tgif11 | July 22, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I would throw Presti in at #2, his eye for talent seems to be uncanny. And Kahn is the worst, everytime he opens his mouth it's clear he's shilling a Rubio pipedream to his boss and fanbase that he himself likely doesnt believe.

Posted by: divi3 | July 22, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Though New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul has two years remaining on his contract before he can opt out, his new agent, Leon Rose, who also represents LeBron James, is currently gauging interest from various teams that could seek to obtain him in a trade, according to league sources.


David Grunfeld/The Times-PicayuneChris Paul's agent is asking the New Orleans Hornets for a trade.
Those teams include the Orlando Magic, Portland Trail Blazers, Dallas Mavericks and New York Knicks, according to league sources. However, Hornets President Hugh Weber said earlier this week they have no plans to trade Paul.

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Share To address Paul's concerns, Weber, Williams and Demps are scheduled to meet with Paul on Monday to discuss their short- and long- term plans toward improving the roster.

“No one from our camp has said that Chris demanded a trade,’’ a source close to Paul said Thursday. "But they (Hornets) have not put themselves in position to win this season. We have the same team as last year, basically. The only thing that matters to Chris is winning.’’

The source said Paul continues to be concerned about the Hornets’ slow movement in free agency in spite of the hiring of General Manager Dell Demps on Wednesday and Coach Monty Williams. The Hornets' only free agent move this offseason was re-signing backup center Aaron Gray.

Weber said Tuesday they have kept Paul updated on all the changes through text messaging, which included last week’s mutual departure of former general manager Jeff Bower.

Posted by: suliman215 | July 22, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: suliman215 | July 22, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Far as I can tell, the terms 'basketball IQ" and 'basketball instincts' are used almost interchangeably by commentators, probably because there's no universal definition for either. Ordinarily, the word instinct refers to something that doesn't have to be learned and which is probably based in individual genetics. Goes to Isaiah Thomas' comment after Larry Bird made an incredible play to win a title: "you think he practices that?" Because there's no learning curve involved, 'instinct' often get the credit for the behavior of young prodigies. Such as those who exhibit unusual coordination of body or hand-eye at a very young age. Instincts can also manifest as the subject matures, however, reflecting stages of development.

The basketball IQ, on the other hand, is usually a measure of the ability to make the sort of decisions that basketball players have to make. By definition, this involves learning, and that's how it's differentiated from instinct.

That's not to say the terms are used with any sort of precision. Here's Jeff Van Gundy on basketball IQ: "It’s a guy who has an innate understanding, the game comes easily to him… They see things once and it all makes sense to them. Basketball just makes sense to them and they make smart plays. They’re ahead of the play defensively. They can pick up plays you put in easily."

So in practice, the terms quickly lose their meaning, and wind up being used interchangeably.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I was at Barry Farms watching the game when he went down. He left the game and didnt return, and a couple days later it was revealed he broke the foot. Im not saying that it happen down the Farms, but im just saying.

Posted by: dus_37 | July 22, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

By the way, just for fun, there are three fields that appear to produce a fair number of prodigies: music, chess, and mathematics.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

With blatche, mcgee, wall, arenas and thornton or singleton the wiz will be really good. I see good things if only flip learns how to use the bigs. bringing yi, young and kirk off the bench is very promising.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 22, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

By the way, just for fun, there are three fields that appear to produce a fair number of prodigies: music, chess, and mathematics.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Certain fields just don't lend themselves to having prodigies. There aren't a lot of insurance agents running around who were considered insurance prodigies or accountants or truck drivers or...

Posted by: randysbailin | July 22, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Certain fields just don't lend themselves to having prodigies. There aren't a lot of insurance agents running around who were considered insurance prodigies or accountants or truck drivers or...

Posted by: randysbailin

Or bloggers.

Posted by: VBFan | July 22, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

He is a great shot blocker. When a shot is in the air and he goes after it, most of the time he will block it.

Posted by: merajc86 | July 22, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Being a great shot blocker is being able to select the correct times to go for it.

It's like saying someone is a great shooter when they have an open look. Can you really consider someone who takes ill advised and contested shots a good shooter?

It's not about what you do when the ball is up in the air. It's how you get yourself in position and select the optimum times to go for the block. That's what makes a good shot blocker. When the ball is in the air...that's the easy part.

Posted by: crs-1 | July 22, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Looks like McGee has some believers coaching Team USA.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Team-USA-no-sure-thing-at-FIBA-World-Championship

If the Wizards don't mix in some pats on the back with the kicks on the rear, McGee is gonna bounce when his contract is up.

You don't think all those Team USA PGs are already in his ear?

Posted by: elfreako | July 22, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"Brook Lopez is virtually guaranteed a spot. He’s tough enough to compete on equal terms with his power-oriented international rivals, but he’s slow afoot, an inferior defender and gets discombobulated when he has the ball in a crowd of defenders."

I thought Brook Lopez' reliable defense is exactly why he was the superior choice to Mcgee? Somebody better get the author of that article over to this blog so he can learn a thing or two.

Posted by: divi3 | July 22, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, basketball people realiza that McGee is on his way to being one of the premier centers in the league in the immediate future (in spite of the amateurish way the Wizards have developed him).

Real basketball people understand what the psuedo-intellectuals/haters on this blog don't realize, this 22 year old kid is a major talent. For those who have objectively watched this young fella, we have seen real progression with respect to his timing,touch, ability to use both hands arpund the basket and rebounding. The constant refrain about him going for head fakes 20 feet from the basket on every possesion is nonsense. Like with Blatche last year his play improved imcreasingly with more playing time and was exceptional in the Summer League. Experience/playing time will be the key to this kids ongoing development. Confidence is gained by playing time and opportunity.

This young fellow will be as critical to the Wizards future simply becuase big men and length are only second to having a superstar who can score in winning NBA championships. Having a great point guard is key to having a good team but not the most important factor in winning an NBA chammpionship (see John Stockton, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, Deron Williams).

Posted by: NewManagement | July 22, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I thought Brook Lopez' reliable defense is exactly why he was the superior choice to Mcgee? Somebody better get the author of that article over to this blog so he can learn a thing or two.

No, Robin is twin that's defensively superior to McGee. Brook is just superior on offense.

Posted by: djnnnou | July 22, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"I thought Brook Lopez' reliable defense is exactly why he was the superior choice to Mcgee? Somebody better get the author of that article over to this blog so he can learn a thing or two.

Posted by: divi3 | July 22, 2010 8:54 PM"

While he's here maybe he could teach you to tell the difference between Brooke Lopez, who's primarily an offensive player, and his brother Robin, who's primarily a defensive player and was the actual topic of the conversation to which you refer.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 22, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"You have no proof that they didn't inquire about Miller. What we do know is that his owner has expressed an preference for not spending a lot of FA dollars this year."

You have no proof that they did

Not at all, I just believe in the importance of being earnest.

Whatever.

So did Bill Wennington, so did Stacey King, so did any number of stiffs. Based on that level of reckoning I guess they should sign Adam Morrison, he has two rings with the Lakers.

The contrast is that those "stiffs" played, and also, Adam Morrison is a 3, not a 5.

Sure, also maybe the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny recommended him.

There's a greater chance of Haslem being a known quantity as to why he was signed vice tooth fairy or easter bunny.

"I love it. No idea of who you're talking about, but absolutely sure he should be fired."

You, in all your earnest, said Les BouleS have a big man coach. Who is he then? How have the big men improved? How has JaTravel improved beyond what we saw his rookie year?

"I'm fine with Ted's plan."

Yeah, Teddy has every reason to keep EG due to his pass success here as Les BouleS GM.

"ROFL, not my fault if you can't recognize sarcasm. As I said, I thought we were trading blatantly silly recommendations."

If you were able to be sarcastic, then it'd be funny. Instead, it's earnestly stupid.

"Again, Miller is only fully guaranteed 2 years, plus $1M of the third *by Houston*. There's no reasonable expectation that he would have signed here for that. Especially given his revelation today that he really wanted to go to Texas if he could."

Oh, so you believe what NBA ballers say now...I know you didn't before.

"And so your standard for 'good' moves has now been lowered to 'not as crappy as other moves that have been made'? Bravo for raising the bar."

Actually no. Best case is that Miller provides great veteran leadership at the 5 and makes a decent contribution on the court. Worse case, he's much better than any Les BouleS EG bad decision since he's been here.

"Or....just as clearly shows that they're going to be that much better now that he's back. I mean, after all, Yao's a 7ft true center.

Posted by: ts35 | July 21, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse "

And big men with bad feet don't last long. Yao may be past his prime.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 22, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

OMG DCMANGO FOUND THE B TAG!!!

Posted by: gconrads | July 22, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

ha! always mix those two ladies up. Half a player each I suppose, one O and one D

Posted by: divi3 | July 22, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

"OMG DCMANGO FOUND THE B TAG!!!

Posted by: gconrads | July 22, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse "

OMG, GONADS found the B TAG!!!! It rhymes too!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 22, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Ain't it cool how the best players still want to play for the sorry Knicks? Why can't Les BouleS have such luck?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5401230

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 22, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

If the Wizards don't mix in some pats on the back with the kicks on the rear, McGee is gonna bounce when his contract is up.

You don't think all those Team USA PGs are already in his ear?

Posted by: elfreako | July 22, 2010 8:47 PM

Bounce???

As in letting Gee walk?

As in not showing any consideration for Livingston?

As in not starting Blatche at PF and moving Jamison to the Three?

As in not using McGee as the primary backup to Haywood instead of sorry no account slow afoot veterans that the game has passed by?

As in waisting and entire season after firing Jordan with Taspscott as Coach?

You think I go on and on bringing up subjects over and over again just for fun?

You think I keep harping about Livingston because he is so great?

The lessons of Free Agency has been a NBA Course that the Wizards have failed miserably at and still it seems have not learned its lesson with the way it handled Livingston and it may continue with Cartier Martin and others.

Indeed, McGee may well walk when it is time for him to re-up. But so might Blatche and yes John Wall. I have said this before.

This isn't your daddy's NBA.

Free Agency has now turned into the power and glory of the player and teams like the Wizards better start realizing that.

Trade away Gilbert Arenas for cap space and not another legit NBA star and John Wall will never resign with this Team.

In order to build a NBA championship today, star players must want to play for you. The first signal from the Washington Wizards that they were serious with Ted about knowing how to build a championship quality team was to try their damdest to resign the best FA they had from the team last year in Sean Livingston.

They did not even offer him a serious legitimately binding contract that anyone has reported on.

Bounce????

Yes, Elfreako, Bounce.

I ask the question.

Who amoung you mighty bloggers whom are so quick to point out perceived negatives in these players think that anyone of them, Blatche, McGee, Wall, even Nick Young will not choose Free Agency first before resigning with the Wizards if they don't start changing the way they do business???

Who amongst still don't get why the Wizards had to show that they wanted Livingston on this team and proactively tried to resign him???

Hinrich as my first guard off the bench behind Wall and Arenas. Gag me.

Whom still don't get it??? Seems the Wizards don't.

Bounce=Free Agency and Sean Livingston with his broke knee as some of yawl keep harping on did not want to play here.

Us Wizard Fans better pray that Flip Saunders and Ernie Grunfield and the mighty Ted Leonsis gets this right, for SEAN LIVINGSTON want be the last player of note not wanting to play here.

Bounce. Yes Elfeako. You said a mouthful.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 23, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 22, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

calculate it out per 36 mins or 48 mins he gets into the 3 to 4 block range...that is pretty good

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: crs-1 | July 22, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

two different things between being a great shot blocker and being a great defender...

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

"calculate it out per 36 mins or 48 mins he gets into the 3 to 4 block range...that is pretty good"

That would be great if he played 36 or 48 minutes. But, of course, he doesn't.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 23, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

"Who amoung you mighty bloggers whom are so quick to point out perceived negatives in these players think that anyone of them, Blatche, McGee, Wall, even Nick Young will not choose Free Agency first before resigning with the Wizards if they don't start changing the way they do business???"

Apologies for interrupting Larry's train of rant, but really, is there a factual basis for any of this? Not that I can see. In the first place, who says the Wiz are mistreating these players? They couldn't have given John Wall a warmer welcome if he was Ted Leonsis' favorite nephew. Besides, I doubt there are any Washington execs posting criticisms on this blog, or any other blog for that matter. And the knocks a player gets in Washington -- even a colossal f-up like Gilbert Arenas -- are child's play compared to what you hear from fans and media in Philly or New York.

No, I think it's just certain fans, who overidentify with players to the point where a comment on somebody's lousy low-post defense -- no matter how accurate -- is perceived almost as a personal insult.

All I can say is, grow up.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

"Who amoung you mighty bloggers whom are so quick to point out perceived negatives in these players think that anyone of them, Blatche, McGee, Wall, even Nick Young will not choose Free Agency first before resigning with the Wizards if they don't start changing the way they do business???"

Apologies for interrupting Larry's train of rant, but really, is there a factual basis for any of this? Not that I can see. In the first place, who says the Wiz are mistreating these players? They couldn't have given John Wall a warmer welcome if he was Ted Leonsis' favorite nephew. Besides, I doubt there are any Washington execs posting criticisms on this blog, or any other blog for that matter. And the knocks a player gets in Washington -- even a colossal f-up like Gilbert Arenas -- are child's play compared to what you hear from fans and media in Philly or New York.

No, I think it's just certain fans, who overidentify with players to the point where a comment on somebody's lousy low-post defense -- no matter how accurate -- is perceived almost as a personal insult.

All I can say is, grow up.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young probably won't have to "choose" to be a FA. He likely won't have much to say in the matter. As for McGee and Blatche . . . depending on how things shake out this year and what kind of development they do or don't show, I'm prepared to say that having them split in FA may not be the worst thing for the franchise. We've seen endless examples of teams grossly overpaying for young bigs with "upside" only to have them turn out to be Sam Dalembert or Eddy Curry. If they can be retained at a reasonable price then, even with their limitations, they could be productive rotation players. But if either one of them comes into negotiations expecting a Brinks truck to be backed up to their porch, no thank you. Obviously, it'll all hinge on how they pan out between now and then. The thing really working in the Wizards' players is that their current deals won't expire until the current CBA expires, and the new one will probably have tighter controls on salaries.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 23, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

actually,he averaged 16 minutes per game last season which is exactly one third of 48 mins. In 16 mins, he averaged 1.6 blockes per game. Extrapolate that to the entire 48 mins, you get 5.1 blks per game. Of course he cannot maintain that torrid pace for all 48 mins, but you get the idea. He can easily average high 3 if he gets 30+ mins a game. For example, in Marcg, he averaged 23 mins a game in 17 games, he averaged 1.9 blocks. In April, where he averaged the same amount of minutes (over 8 games), that number jumped to 2.9 blks per game. Thats an average of 2.22 blocks per game in 23 mins per game over those 25 games. So yes, he is a great shot blocker. That's not the same thing as being a great defender. But his presence alone stops other teams from attacking the rim through driving in. On the other hand, as many people have pointed out, his main issue is his post defense.

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

"actually,he averaged 16 minutes per game last season which is exactly one third of 48 mins. In 16 mins, he averaged 1.6 blockes per game. Extrapolate that to the entire 48 mins, you get 5.1 blks per game. Of course he cannot maintain that torrid pace for all 48 mins, but you get the idea."

I get the idea that you're probably gonna get some serious blisters from massaging the stats that hard.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 23, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

i mean if multiplying is that hard for you...

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Larry and DC MAN, you guys need to stop whining and start enjoying the new Wizards. Lighten up! John Wall is going to make 'Dre a better player, and McGee too. We don't need Chris Paul. We've already got a gimpy star guard who may or may not live up to his billing.

Leonsis, Grunfeld and Company are moving the Wiz in the right direction. Why in the world would we pine for Shawn Livingston when we've got Wall, Arenas and Hinrich in the backcourt? Yi is going to be a rotation player who will help us a lot, and so will Seraphin and Booker. We still need a reliable wing, besides Thatcher, but maybe Nick Young fits the bill.

I never figured why Kal_orama stayed so down on Blatche and McGee, presumably because he thinks they're knuckleheads. They're young guys who've learned a lot in the few years they've been here in Washington, and they're going to get better. Better here than following in the footsteps of Rip Hamilton, Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace and other undervalued players.

McGee is going to get invaluable experience playing against international players in the World competition, apparently. Let's give him a chance to grow!

You can't write off Blatche just because he says some stupid things.The kid can play, and I think he's going to be seriously motivated.

I'm excited about the new-look Wizards. Who wouldn't be? You just got to let them have a new look.

Posted by: zinger1 | July 23, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ptp23 | July 23, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

plus this math is nothing, i have to amortize (and other sorts of calculations) pools of thousands of loans on a daily basis...not a big deal

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Not really a personal insult.

For, the inadequacies constantly sited about players are also unwittingly it appears shared by the Team.

Samson151, surely you realize that the lack of strong center play always attributed to Haywood probably played a role in the Wizards not believing he was worth market value.

You see the comments here could very well be the same as ones held by the Team.

Even though the Wizs were in a fire sale, you still must be carefull about what you cast on the pile.

The inadequacies posted here about Haywood and held as it appears as well by he Wizards were I am sure a factor in Haywood wanting to LEAVE and the Wizards trading him.

Now we are still in search of a real center as some like to say to go along with McGee. We had one in the fold, though he wasn't to everyone's liking.

Had we offered Haywood what he thought was market share, I am sure it would have cost us less to resign him than the 55mil he got from Dallas.

Now what do we have at center besides McGee, probably Flip I am sure will use Blatch.

Remember, the prevailing opinon was that the Big Three had failed and needed to go. Brendan Haywood was never apart of the Big Three. But, I guess he isn't complaining now with 55mil in the bank.

Naww, it ain't personal, it is basketball baby.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 23, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

@Zinger1,

Don't let my comments fool you. I am very excited about this team. I believe as a matter of fact that this Team managed properly isn't a lottery team.

And when GM talks about adding Shaq with McGee, listen carefully. I don't know if the situation with him and Arenas is palatable enough for them to play together, but adding Shaq with these players puts our rebuild on turbo-charge.

Keeping Gilbert if he definitely proves himself, I think is an important key to John Walls future with the Wizards.

Zinger1, I am with you, I clearly am excited and like the prospects that can be realized with this team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 23, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

LOL @ DC_MAN88

Wow. We can keep going round and round, and you can keep arguing the margins, but it still doesn't change certain things. First, you're accusing the Wizards of making a mistake in not doing something, even though you don't know if they did it or not. Second, if they had followed the DC_MAN script for the summer and signed Childress and Miller -- even assuming they signed for the same deals here that they ended up getting elsewhere, which is unlikely -- the Wiz would likely be over the cap this year, definitely next year, and would have given up a draft pick to do it. Genius. All in the name of chasing .500 and maybe the 8th seed.

You're such a critic of the Wizards of the past few years, I figured you would be tired of repeating their mistakes. Chasing the middle ground. Or maybe you're assuming that that combination of players might somehow be able to compete for a title....repeating EG's greatest mistake.

In the meantime, my understanding is that Gene Banks works with their bigs. As to his effectiveness? Tough to say. Banks got McGee to grow an inch over the summer, name me another coach who's done that! And now McGee is a center who is *gasp* OVER 7ft! You must be beside yourself! (see? there's some sarcasm for ya)

AB has obviously shown improvement. Most observers say McGee showed improvement in Summer League. But that's just Summer League, we'll see if it carries over to the regular season. But whether it does or doesn't, you can't put all of that on the coach(es), especially when dealing with players who have demonstrated immaturity issues and inconsistent work ethics at best.

You can have the best coaches in the world, but if players aren't ready and willing to be coached, it won't matter. You yourself said JaVale could seek external coaching if he felt the Wizards weren't providing him enough. Any evidence that he did that? Did he demand to go to Dream's Academy or work out with Grover in Chicago or any place we've heard about? He's got the cash, did he sign himself up? We know he boxed and it looks like he lifted. That's all we know. So that's what I mean when I say it's laughable that you want to fire someone and you don't even know who you're talking about or what he's done. You're just lobbing grenades from the cheap seats.

Should the Wizards add whatever assets they can to help develop their young bigs? Absolutely. But there are smarter ways to do it than locking yourself into a long or expensive contract with a 34 year old C.


Posted by: ts35 | July 23, 2010 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

Cleveland showed LeBron all the love in the world, brought in the players he wanted, changed coaches for him (twice), fired their GM, and it didn't stop him from walking out the door. So is the lesson that they should have showed more him more love? Or is the lesson that you should do your best to keep the players you want, but not get so wrapped up any of them that you lose the greater perspective?

Furthermore. Who is our owner now? What has Ted shown us with his other franchise? The players that matter most to the team (Ovechkin, Backstrom and a few others) have been taken care of.

Any actual evidence that they somehow mistreated Livingston? Any evidence that he left on bad terms? He made it clear at the end of the season that he was going to look at his options. The Wizards looked at theirs. He signed a good contract with a good team. Where's the damage?

The first signal from the Washington Wizards that they were serious with Ted about knowing how to build a championship quality team was to try their damdest to resign the best FA they had from the team last year in Sean Livingston.

I'm sorry Larry, but that's way out of left field. Especially since none of the championship caliber teams made a serious run at Shaun. Everyone looking at the Wizards knows they are years away, so I doubt anyone is putting serious stock in how they handle low-level free agents right now. Especially since with the #1 overall pick they drafted someone who plays the same position. Has anyone been seriously criticizing the Bulls for having Hinrich on the block ever since drafting Rose?

As in not using McGee as the primary backup to Haywood instead of sorry no account slow afoot veterans that the game has passed by?

Blatche was the primary back-up to Haywood. And McGee wasn't playing because he wasn't hustling. I guess they could have left him out there anyway to mollify him and hope in two years he doesn't leave, but is that really the message and the coaching the kid needs? Is that the kind of players you want?

Why is it wrong to be critical of a player, but fine to dog the organization?

Posted by: ts35 | July 23, 2010 4:05 AM | Report abuse

Looks like McGee is playing pf in the Team USA trials -- not center. Does that mean that Coach K thinks McGee is playing out of position at center in the NBA?

Posted by: PostSubscriber | July 23, 2010 5:04 AM | Report abuse

"LOL @ DC_MAN88"

LOL@TS35

"Wow. We can keep going round and round, and you can keep arguing the margins, but it still doesn't change certain things. First, you're accusing the Wizards of making a mistake in not doing something, even though you don't know if they did it or not. Second, if they had followed the DC_MAN script for the summer and signed Childress and Miller -- ..."

We keep going around and around b/c you're not paying attention. I never accused Les BouleS of making a mistake. What I did say was that they need a veteran center to help the young bigs get established. Then, you go off and name names like Kurt Thomas and Shaq and Adam Morrisson, which are totally ridiculous ideas from you.

I guess in your world, it's better to chase lottery than chase .500 in the East, which can get you a playoff spot.

"You're such a critic of the Wizards of the past few years, I figured you would be tired of repeating their mistakes. Chasing the middle ground. Or maybe you're assuming that that combination of players might somehow be able to compete for a title....repeating EG's greatest mistake."

How are Les BouleS not repeating their mistakes by signing deadbeat FA's/rejects?

In the meantime, my understanding is that Gene Banks works with their bigs. As to his effectiveness? Tough to say. Banks got McGee to grow an inch over the summer, name me another coach who's done that! And now McGee is a center who is *gasp* OVER 7ft! You must be beside yourself! (see? there's some sarcasm for ya).

Geez, if this coach can get JaTravel to grow an inch, maybe he can get Gilby to grow a new knee!

"AB has obviously shown improvement. Most observers say McGee showed improvement in Summer League. But that's just Summer League, we'll see if it carries over to the regular season..."

AB always had the skills, with his flashes, but nothing consistent and never the touches or the PT., or the appropriate mentoring.

"You can have the best coaches in the world, but if players aren't ready and willing to be coached, it won't matter. You yourself said JaVale could seek external coaching if he felt the Wizards weren't providing him enough. .."

It goes back to the quality of the people the GM brings in, and if the GM brings in slackers, then it's on the GM and the coaching staff.

"Should the Wizards add whatever assets they can to help develop their young bigs? Absolutely. But there are smarter ways to do it than locking yourself into a long or expensive contract with a 34 year old C.

Posted by: ts35 | July 23, 2010 3:34 AM | Report abuse "

What's your smarter way? Bringing in Shaq like you suggested?

LOL!@ TS35!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 23, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Apologies for interrupting Larry's train of rant, but really, is there a factual basis for any of this? Not that I can see. In the first place, who says the Wiz are mistreating these players? They couldn't have given John Wall a warmer welcome if he was Ted Leonsis' favorite nephew. Besides, I doubt there are any Washington execs posting criticisms on this blog, or any other blog for that matter. And the knocks a player gets in Washington -- even a colossal f-up like Gilbert Arenas -- are child's play compared to what you hear from fans and media in Philly or New York.

No, I think it's just certain fans, who overidentify with players to the point where a comment on somebody's lousy low-post defense -- no matter how accurate -- is perceived almost as a personal insult.

All I can say is, grow up.

Posted by: Samson151
==========
This is blog where people post their opinions on a given topic with there seldom beoing any factual basis to back one up. Just like who says any of these players are "bad in the locker room" or "not a good teammate".

From my observation, the posters who "overidentify" with players could very well just be tired of hearing repetetive slights or critism of a given player, while given constant bebefit of the doubt or excuse for the old heads. Some people just have whipping boys and thats fine. Thats life.

Before you call folks out and tell them to "grow up" I think you could look at yourself and stop being so sarcastic towards those who have a different opinion than yours.

Posted by: millineumman | July 23, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

This is my issue:

AB always had the skills, with his flashes, but nothing consistent and never the touches or the PT., or the appropriate mentoring.

But when Dray says AJ was a huge mentor to him andtaught him a lot...showed him how to be a professional...you blow it off as...you believe what Dray says?

How dumb is that?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 23, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

kal, you do realize Mcgee is 22 and Ab is 23 right? And that both have 2 full years left on their deals before they can be FAs? And that this upcoming season will be the first either goes into as the assumed starter? And that they're 7footers? (ok, AB is 6'11").

Where does talk of not resigning them come from this early? Or getting them cheap despite their "limitations"? You've got each with one foot out the door at least a year in advance of when that decision starts to percolate.

Posted by: divi3 | July 23, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: divi3 | July 23, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I thought this upcoming season was AB's final year?

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

"Before you call folks out and tell them to "grow up" I think you could look at yourself and stop being so sarcastic towards those who have a different opinion than yours.
Posted by: millineumman"

This isn't the street, and I'm not calling anyone out (including you). I'm suggesting they stop overidentifying with players and turning themselves into enablers for the very sort of immature, self-centered conduct we all complain about.

To them, I say grow up.

And to you as well.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I thought this upcoming season was AB's final year?

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 9:17 AM

Thanks to his run-in with the hooker (cop), we have him locked up through the '11-'12 season at a mere $3.5mill/yr

Posted by: divi3 | July 23, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"Samson151, surely you realize that the lack of strong center play always attributed to Haywood probably played a role in the Wizards not believing he was worth market value."

Not following this argument. The Mavs paid Haywood, at age 30, 55 mil over 6 years. Rumor is the last year's not guaranteed so the per year value is probably 7-8 million. According to ESPN Dallas, "Coach Rick Carlisle visited Haywood's Charlotte, N.C., home at the beginning of free agency and assured Haywood that he would be Dallas' starting center if he re-signed."

Most NBA sources believe that based on his age and past performance, the Mavs overpaid for Haywood.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I am very excited about this team. It's a very athletic, highly skilled bunch. Of course there is a lot of youth and many mistakes will occur. What makes it most exciting is how dynamic Wall is. Also, can Gil play the 2? On offense, I think he can (he did it @ Arizona). But, not many teams have a 4 and a 5 with this much athleticism. I am a little worried about the 3 though. Thorton did will at times end of last year.

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

8'er, I was the one who suggested Shaq because there's a glaring need for a really physical banger in the post. Of the players out there Shaq fits that discription better then anyone.

Dampier is another guy, if he gets released, who could play that role in limited minutes. At this point defensive rebounding, and battling for post position are McGee's two biggest weaknesses. Will the other options presently at the 5 be much better?

There will be nights that McGee's weaknesses in those areas won't effect the team that much since the other them isn't super physical inside. There will be others that he gets in early foul trouble and we'll be looking a log stretches of Hilton Armstrong or maybe Yi in the post. EEE!!!

To me a physical 5 is the team's most glaring weakness right now. I think the 3 position could still use some help, but getting mauled by teams with a bigger more physical frontline could lead to some long nights.

I don't spend much time following off the court gossip, so Shaq's supposed affair with Gil's wife(did they ever get married?)didn't enter into my thinking.

I'd agree with you 8'er on the point that the team lacks a physical inside presence. I'm afraid they'll be too many nights of seeing Blatche have to move into the post, and Booker to the 4, because McGee, Yi, and Armstrong have racked up too many fouls. And at this point nobody knows how ready Seraphin is for prime time.

Suanders and Grunfeld maybe willing to absorb that punishment for a year and let the youngsters Seraphin and McGee take their lumps to speed their development. Basketball IQ comes with playing time.

There have been some players that have made that jump from the French League to the NBA fairly smoothly. But were they as green as Seraphin?
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 23, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

LarryInClinton,

Why do you keep pining for broken (Livingston), mediocre (Haywood) or D-League (Gee) players?

Livingston expressed little interest in staying here BEFORE we got Wall. What makes you think he'd want to come back WITH Wall? Further, what proof do you have for continuously stating that the Wizards gave Livingston no consideration?

While with the Wizards, Brendan Haywood explicitly stated that there would be no hometown discount with his free agency. Based on the contract he strongarmed from Cuban, I'd say he was serious about that. But you blame the Wizards organization?

Last we saw Gee, he was toiling in the D-League, just like many other potential NBA prospects. If he was so great wouldn't he at least be the Spurs' 12th man? In the grand scheme of things, he means nothing.

Posted by: tgif11 | July 23, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: tgif11 | July 23, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I thought Gee did make spurs squad...and it looks like he will make it this year too...

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I thought Gee did make spurs squad...and it looks like he will make it this year too...

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

No. The Spurs signed Gee and sent him back to the D-League.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 23, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 23, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

thanks for the clarification

Posted by: merajc86 | July 23, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I think Gee was assigned to the D-League about a week after signing with the Spurs. He was later recalled to the Spurs and then spent the remainder of the season on their INACTIVE roster.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/nba/Spurs_Gee_puts_best_foot_forward_98477449.html

Posted by: tgif11 | July 23, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Gee made their summer league and D-league rosters and is being paid by them, but he didn't make the 12 man team that suits up, and I think that's what he meant.

And I agree - It seems Larry is blinded by this Livingston is God/Flip is an imbecile thing. I loved Livingston's game, but his lack of appreciation for the team was offputting. Let him get yelled at by Larry Brown.

Posted by: Urnesto | July 23, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I hope people take the time to read that article right there.

Gee CHOSE to leave. Of course it's still going to be "Ernie let Gee go, he didn't sign him."

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 23, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Article also says "the Spurs won a mini-bidding war with Washington" which points to money as a factor rather than solely the "playoff experience" Gee mentioned

Posted by: divi3 | July 23, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Article also says "the Spurs won a mini-bidding war with Washington" which points to money as a factor rather than solely the "playoff experience" Gee mentioned

Posted by: divi3 | July 23, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Oh but I thought it was the Wizards just blew it and let the deadline pass and the Spurs just offered him a contract.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 23, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Oh but I thought it was the Wizards just blew it and let the deadline pass and the Spurs just offered him a contract.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 23, 2010 11:22 AM

Flip did say Gee had been signed, does he not talk to Ernie? Given the way it went down, it's hardly reaching to think there may have been a fumbling of the ball. At the very least, it was also reported at the time the Spurs guaranteed more money and the Wizards were not willing to do it.

Of course, I guess we could expect that Gee would have said "I just went for the most money" since it's so common to hear athletes admit that.

Posted by: divi3 | July 23, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

tgif11,

If you have been following closely, it isn't the player that I am really honking about. It is the perception of the Wizards and how they do business.

Whether it's Gee, Haywood, Blatche, Livingston, Arenas, Martin, and Howard might be next in line, it does send a signal now about how we deal with players.

Contrary to some's opinions, the perceptions from the outside on how we handle players is hughely important to winning a championship.

How we deal with players plays tremendously in who signs and resigns with us.

Some of yawls may not put much stock in this, but I put huge stock in it.

The proof is in the pudding "Haywood said this, Livingston said this"... why did they say what they did? Is everything changed now that we got John Wall and now we are set for a championship?

Livinston may realize that his best move was to have stayed here. For one to speculate that we could not use him is poppycock.

I keep getting asked, well how do I know that the Wizs didn't offer to Livingston?

The answer is, there isn't any evidence that they did and the perceptions from the outside looking in is that they did not, whether they actually did offer.

It is like a tree falling in a forest with no one around, does it make a sound? Who knows???

And I am saying that unless there is really a change being brought about in this organization from whomever, the way we handle players will doom any chance of the Wizards building a championship squad.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 23, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Larry, there's not one statement in your last post supported with facts.

I do give you props for admitting that you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: tgif11 | July 23, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

new thread

Posted by: tgif11 | July 23, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

This franchise is about moving forward with new hopes and a new owner. All this SL, Gee, and BH talk is useless noise. As someone said, you are talking about a bionic PG, a D-Leaguer, and a mediocre aging center who got overpaid as most mediocre center's do these days. Who cares??? Who cares how we dealt with them either??? That was a different ownership group then as well. It's about moving forward and none of those players mean a damn thing in that regard. Oh the horrors of SA offering their D-League player a little more guaranteed money to lure him back into their franchise/D-league team after he showed the slightest of promise here. That's a bidding war I'm glad we lost now.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 23, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"But when Dray says AJ was a huge mentor to him andtaught him a lot...showed him how to be a professional...you blow it off as...you believe what Dray says?

How dumb is that?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 23, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse "

Maybe it's true...I don't buy it though. A mentor doesn't trash you in the news and in the newspaper. Even still, look at AB last season when he was stepping it up. He still complained and resorted back to his old ways.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 23, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"8'er, I was the one who suggested Shaq because there's a glaring need for a really physical banger in the post. Of the players out there Shaq fits that discription better then anyone."

You weren't the only one. Problem is that Shaq ain't a mentor, and Shaq wouldn't fit in here.

"To me a physical 5 is the team's most glaring weakness right now."

I've been saying the same thing. Unfortunately, EG doesn't subscribe to that opinion.

"I'd agree with you 8'er on the point that the team lacks a physical inside presence. I'm afraid they'll be too many nights of seeing Blatche have to move into the post, and Booker to the 4, because McGee, Yi, and Armstrong have racked up too many fouls. And at this point nobody knows how ready Seraphin is for prime time."

There's no doubt that putting AB in the paint at the 5 would be a waste. He'd get into foul trouble so fast that any hope of him developing some offensive rhythm will go out the door.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 23, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

"8'er, I was the one who suggested Shaq because there's a glaring need for a really physical banger in the post. Of the players out there Shaq fits that discription better then anyone."

You weren't the only one. Problem is that Shaq ain't a mentor, and Shaq wouldn't fit in here.

"To me a physical 5 is the team's most glaring weakness right now."

I've been saying the same thing. Unfortunately, EG doesn't subscribe to that opinion.

"I'd agree with you 8'er on the point that the team lacks a physical inside presence. I'm afraid they'll be too many nights of seeing Blatche have to move into the post, and Booker to the 4, because McGee, Yi, and Armstrong have racked up too many fouls. And at this point nobody knows how ready Seraphin is for prime time."

There's no doubt that putting AB in the paint at the 5 would be a waste. He'd get into foul trouble so fast that any hope of him developing some offensive rhythm will go out the door.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 23, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

"LOL @ DC_MAN88"

LOL@TS35

I should have clarified. The LOL @ DC_MAN88 was for the fact that you bothered to bump our dialogue to the current thread when it's obvious it's going nowhere. I promise I wasn't laughing at your opinions. Because, well, frankly, they're just sad.

Geez, if this coach can get JaTravel to grow an inch, maybe he can get Gilby to grow a new knee!

Honestly, I would just be happy if they would bump up his salary enough to loan you the money to buy a clue. I'd do it myself, but I don't have the large amount of cash that would be required.

We keep going around and around b/c you're not paying attention. That is true. You do keep boring me to sleep.

I never accused Les BouleS of making a mistake. What I did say was that they need a veteran center to help the young bigs get established.

And they didn't do that to your satisfaction because (as far as you know) they didn't pursue Brad Miller. Pretty much the same as saying they made a mistake.

Then, you go off and name names like Kurt Thomas and Shaq and Adam Morrisson, which are totally ridiculous ideas from you.

Well, a) they weren't recommendations, they were a sarcastic comment phrased as a rhetorical question to highlight that you're not interested in a 'veteran big man', you just wanted them to get Brad "The Professor" Miller. But b) if you insist on calling them my recommendations, I guess that's equivalent to you calling Will Perdue a valuable cog in the Bulls' championships. MJ, Scottie, Grant and Big Will.

And in a somewhat ironic twist, Miller's former employer deemed Kurt Thomas a good enough replacement at a fraction of the cost.

AB always had the skills, with his flashes, but nothing consistent and never the touches or the PT., or the appropriate mentoring.

Ah, there it is! The red herring. The first argument is always "What have they done to improve the bigs?" and then I highlight some things, the response is always "He could always do that he just never had the chance." So in other words, any improvement is credited to the player, any failure to the coach. You must work in politics.

Posted by: ts35 | July 23, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It goes back to the quality of the people the GM brings in, and if the GM brings in slackers, then it's on the GM and the coaching staff.

I agree with most of that statement. I've never been a fan of the types of players EG drafts. I'm hoping this year turns out differently because they definitely broke from the recent EG mold by picking more (apparently) mature players. However, it's hard to place blame on these coaches for EG bringing in slackers. They weren't here when AB and JM (and NY) were drafted. So again we're back to your idea of firing someone without knowing anything about how well they do their job and over a decision they had no part in. Genius.

How are Les BouleS not repeating their mistakes by signing deadbeat FA's/rejects?

Because the ones they have signed aren't costing the Wiz any more than a roster spot. They're not offering larger contracts than they should to players in the name of just trying to get into the playoffs. Hilton Armstrong is not a great pickup, but he's also not a crippling mistake like resigning Jamison was. They didn't even give him an "Etan" contract. When they acquired a young(ish) player to see if there's any actual upside, instead of doing what they did with Crit (having to take back Mike James' fat contract), they got Yi essentially for free. If he actually has something (however unlikely that is) it's pure profit. If he falls on his face, they can cut him loose and lose nothing.

I guess in your world, it's better to chase lottery than chase .500 in the East, which can get you a playoff spot.

Right now? Absolutely. If they had added Miller and/or Childress, would they be competing for the title any time soon? Then what's the point? Chasing .500 and the playoffs in the East is exactly why they re-signed Jamison and DeShawn and made some of their other mistakes. Personally, I believe they are much better served now in trying to building and developing the base of young talent.

Do I think it would be better to have another vet big man on the team? Of course. But not a 34 year old at $15M for 3 years to possibly be your starter. If they can get one cheaper, great. Should they beef up their big man coaching? Absolutely, especially with the number of young bigs they've added this offseason. Between AB, JM, Seraphin, Booker, N'diaye and even Yi and Armstrong, they should have several guys to work with them. They should be trying to enter them into whatever programs they can to work on their games. That $15M + (or even if you just take Houston's guaranteed $11-ishM) not spent on Miller could and should go to player development. Hopefully it does. That's the smarter way to rebuild, rather than try to cobble together enough Space Cowboys to try to make a run at making the playoffs, which inevitably means you compromise the development of your young players.


Posted by: ts35 | July 23, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

What an un-godly amount of over analysis, you would think this chat was a 3 hour NBA pre-game show that had 20 minutes of real issues to talk about and 160 minutes of "see how smart I am" rhetoric. No one has any idea how AB is going to react to this totally NEW situation. He isn't being bullied by Jamison anymore, and face some people just simply do not respond to the "old school" approach, this is something I have had to learn in business at a painfully slow pace until I finally realized you cant throw out EVERY BABY with the bath water. A good manager (re:coach) has to figure out how to use all of his/her employees to their strengths, not try and remake each of them to the mold which you see as correct.As a 50 year old it took a long hard look inside to figure this out and still to this day it is a struggle but simply said some of these kids are just wired different,they didn't come up nor do they buy into the "old school work ethic mantra", it's a fact and not going to change in many of them,so you must ask yourself do I try and conform every one of these talents(whether it be accountants,mechanics,salesman,or pro ball players, this is all relevant)or do I figure out a way to motivate them to become the BEST they can be while getting the output I need as a manager. It's really a simple question if you think about it,the hard part is implementing and adhering to the principle, and hard it is. That being said look at the numbers once Jamison was gone, did AB go from chump to hero in a second or what? I see 2 things occurring in the AJ(after Jamison) period,AB felt a weight of force,dissatisfaction and stress lifted off of his back,he loosened up,and just played ball,was he perfect of course not but he played without the restraints(self realized or real) of the constant criticism of the vets.Has this young man added to his dilemma with the ever reoccurring screw ups,of course but the young one sounds as if he may be growing up. I truly do not think that you can judge him at all from his past at this point, he showed how talented he really can be, and not for 1 game but several,he sounds like a grown man when he speaks now, and seems to understand his responsibilities and what it will take for him to achieve what he incorrectly thought should have been handed to him. He has realized or so it seems that he does need to work hard,note the word lazy in his statement, a word heard numerous times from past vets but never uttered by the young man himself, this to me shows a realization of what he had been fighting tooth and nail (with AJ mostly), has sunk in now that it is on his terms and not being imposed in a frat house mentality .I think he realizes he can be the 3rd option and still be more successful than ever, let's see how he jells with Wall, I'm betting AJ has seen the light,& he isn't fighting for his honor now,but for his place.I am more than encouraged to see the new season begin,this team has a chance to really be good,& I think it will.

Posted by: mfowler1 | July 24, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

We have to hope Blatche will have his head in shape as well as his body by the time the season starts. If they are to avoid the race for that number one draft pick next year, they need Blatche to step up and be a man. If he and McGee can give them something up front with some constency and if even one of the drafees other than Wall steps up to be a player, then they could be a decent team by the end of the year -- not above .500, but trending that way by March. If Blatche can't produce? They are toast this year and will be in the running for yet another top lottery pick. It is entirely possible that Wall will make Blatche and McGee much more potent offensive threats, but he can't help them on D or on the boards. They'll just have to man up and get 'er done there on their own. Time to own it -- they are now experienced enough to produce, if they ever are going to do so.

Posted by: dolph924 | July 24, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

"I should have clarified. The LOL @ DC_MAN88 was for the fact that you bothered to bump our dialogue to the current thread when it's obvious it's going nowhere. I promise I wasn't laughing at your opinions. Because, well, frankly, they're just sad."

The LOL from me was your contradictory self where you say the dialogue is going nowhere, but you STILL RESPOND!! It is sad, in that my predictions have come true. Sad for Les BouleS.

"Honestly, I would just be happy if they would bump up his salary enough to loan you the money to buy a clue. I'd do it myself, but I don't have the large amount of cash that would be required."

Maybe you can get that coach to grow you some money like he "growed" JaTravel an inch.

"You do keep boring me to sleep."

Keep responding, and keep contradicting yourself.

"And they didn't do that to your satisfaction because (as far as you know) they didn't pursue Brad Miller. Pretty much the same as saying they made a mistake."

They didn't pursue any solid veteran center, whether it's Miller or not!

"Well, a) they weren't recommendations, they were a sarcastic comment phrased as a rhetorical question to highlight that you're not interested in a 'veteran big man', you just wanted them to get Brad "The Professor" Miller. But b) if you insist on calling them my recommendations, I guess that's equivalent to you calling Will Perdue a valuable cog in the Bulls' championships. MJ, Scottie, Grant and Big Will."

You resort to a weak attempt at sarcasm b/c you have no clue, nevermind better ideas. Kurt Thomas? What a joke.

"And in a somewhat ironic twist, Miller's former employer deemed Kurt Thomas a good enough replacement at a fraction of the cost."

With Les BouleS, they'll deem anyone a good replacement as long as it's a fraction of the cost.

"Ah, there it is! The red herring. The first argument is always "What have they done to improve the bigs?" and then I highlight some things, the response is always "He could always do that he just never had the chance." So in other words, any improvement is credited to the player, any failure to the coach. You must work in politics.

Posted by: ts35 | July 23, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse "

Both player and coach are responsible. Team shows investment by hiring the coach. Don't draft HS players or 1 year college players if you don't want to use the resources to coach them up.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 24, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"I agree with most of that statement. I....They weren't here when AB and JM (and NY) were drafted. So again we're back to your idea of firing someone without knowing anything about how well they do their job and over a decision they had no part in. Genius."

LOL @ TS35 again as he continues to respond!

Who's the big man coach? What's Unseld Jr. doing? Flip is implementing a guard oriented offense. His focus is on the guards.

"Because the ones they have signed aren't costing the Wiz any more than a roster spot. They're not offering larger contracts than they should to players in the name of just trying to get into the playoffs. Hilton Armstrong is not a great pickup, but he's also not a crippling mistake like resigning Jamison was. They didn't even give him an "Etan" contract. When they acquired a young(ish) player to see if there's any actual upside, instead of doing what they did with Crit (having to take back Mike James' fat contract), they got Yi essentially for free. If he actually has something (however unlikely that is) it's pure profit. If he falls on his face, they can cut him loose and lose nothing."

What you fail to see is that it's not just about signing people to big contracts. It's about bringing in quality people, not lottery busts to fill a roster spot. How have these busts convinced EG that they can contribute?

"Right now? Absolutely. If they had added Miller and/or Childress, would they be competing for the title any time soon? ..."

Because they'd be that much closer. Do you think a Carmelo would want to sign with a bottom feeder? No, they want to sign with teams that are consistently in the playoffs.

"Do I think it would be better to have another vet big man on the team? Of course. But not a 34 year old at $15M for 3 years to possibly be your starter."

Again, Miller is only guaranteed 2 years, and in no way did I say he should be brought here to be the starting center. At least Miller at starting center isn't as silly as Kurt Thomas at starting center.

" If they can get one cheaper, great. Should they beef up their big man coaching? Absolutely, especially with the number of young bigs they've added this offseason. Between AB, JM, Seraphin, Booker, N'diaye and even Yi and Armstrong, they should have several guys to work with them. They should be trying to enter them into whatever programs they can to work on their games. That $15M + (or even if you just take Houston's guaranteed $11-ishM) not spent on Miller could and should go to player development. Hopefully it does. That's the smarter way to rebuild, rather than try to cobble together enough Space Cowboys to try to make a run at making the playoffs, which inevitably means you compromise the development of your young players.


Posted by: ts35 | July 23, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse "

Finally you repeat everything that I've been saying all along.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 24, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"We have to hope Blatche will have his head in shape as well as his body by the time the season starts. If they are to avoid the race for that number one draft pick next year, they need Blatche to step up and be a man. If he and McGee can give them something up front with some constency and if even one of the drafees other than Wall steps up to be a player, then they could be a decent team by the end of the year -- not above .500, but trending that way by March. If Blatche can't produce? They are toast this year and will be in the running for yet another top lottery pick. It is entirely possible that Wall will make Blatche and McGee much more potent offensive threats, but he can't help them on D or on the boards. They'll just have to man up and get 'er done there on their own. Time to own it -- they are now experienced enough to produce, if they ever are going to do so.

Posted by: dolph924 | July 24, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse "

That could have a negative effect. The more AB produces, the more he'll be asked about his contract, and the more he'll respond that he's underpaid.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 24, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

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