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LeBron James frenzy; Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh join forces in Miami [Updated with Kevin Durant extension]

12:39: Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade just made it official: They announced on ESPN that Wade will stay with the Miami Heat and Bosh will join him.

In a live interview with Michael Wilbon, Bosh said, "We wanted to play with each other and this is a golden opportunity."

Asked if LeBron James could possibly sign with the Heat, too, Wade responded: "We would love for LeBron to join Miami ... [but] LeBron's going to make his own decision."

12:05: LeBron James tweeted at 11:52 a.m. that interested parties should check his new Web site, lebronjames.com, "for updated info on my decision."

The Web site essentially announces that he will make an announcement tomorrow night.

Maverick Carter, CEO of LRMR Marketing, said today that LeBron James will formally announce where he will play next season and beyond on "The Decision," which will air live on Thursday, July 8, at 9 pm ET on ESPN.
Due to the unprecedented attention and interest surrounding LeBron's decision, we have decided to make this announcement on national television. By doing so we have generated funds that will be given to the Boys and Girls Clubs of America. LeBron has a longstanding commitment to giving back to the community, and has worked with the Boys and Girls Clubs in cities across the country.

10:56: The Miami Heat has emerged as the early winner in free agency after claiming two of the top three free agents available on Wednesday. Dwyane Wade is staying and he was able to convince his friend, Chris Bosh, to ditch the cold winters in Canada to join him on South Beach. Wade and Bosh are expected to announce their decision later this afternoon, but the union was first reported by ESPN's Chris Broussard. (For more on agonizing free agency decisions, read Michael Wilbon's column from this morning's newspaper.)

The Heat has not given up on forming its dream alliance of Wade, Bosh and LeBron James, the crown jewel of the class. Yahoo! Sports is reporting that Wade and Bosh "think they've got a real chance to pull this off with LeBron." The Sun-Sentinel is reporting that the chances of a superstar trio is "still up in the air."

James plans to announce his decision on a prime time special on ESPN on Thursday at 9 p.m. James met with six teams - the New Jersey Nets, New York Knicks, Miami Heat, Chicago Bulls, Los Angeles Clippers and Cleveland Cavaliers. He already created a new Web site and joined Twitter, with an account that collected more than 200,000 followers in less than one day. CNBC's Darren Rovell has offered his guarantees for James's ESPN telethon.

Kevin Durant announced on his Twitter account that he has agreed to a five-year extension with the Oklahoma City Thunder, eliminating himself from a possible union with his hometown Wizards when he could've been a restricted free agent next season. Durant was never open to playing for the Wizards, with staying in Oklahoma is primary concern all summer.

By Michael Lee  |  July 7, 2010; 10:56 AM ET
 
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i just heard durant signed a 5 yr extension with OKC via his twitter acct. anybody else in on this?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

The latest news merely confirms Ernest Grunfeld's genius. Only one team can sign LeBron.

The team that nobody can accuse him of helping (with the exception of EdDC, who will come up with a tangential stretch) is the Heat. It looks like Pat Riley will probably wind up as the immediate winner this summer. When John Wall becomes the superstar we fully expect him to be, the Wizards will sign a mega-watt free agent or two to join him and light up the Verizon Center.

On his worst day, Ernest is two steps ahead of the competition. NBA greatness awaits us, Wizards faithful.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 7, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The team that nobody can accuse him of helping
Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 7, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Well when Wiz trading Kwame for Caron that help justify Miami aquiring Shaq. Which created a huge hole in their salary cap which they will use to get Lebron.

See isn't that hard. Not very realistic though. : )

Waits till Ike Austin is mentioned.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | July 7, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

ESPN reports that Kevin Durant is set to sign a 5 year extension with OKC.

You see why Big Ted wants to build through the draft? The players you draft and develop are twice as likely to resign with you as opposed to another squad.

Posted by: elfreako | July 7, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"Safe to say that Seraphin will take some time to develop as well, so what does he need to show you year one (assuming he's here)?"

Like I stated, Pech was an abject dud right out of the box after being hyped up etc etc. Seraphin needs to look like a guy who could develop into a serious force (just as Mcgee did). If he's an uncoordinated brute (not saying he is), I'm not giving EG 3yrs of supposed development to judge the pick. As I said, these arnt just the picks we got....they (Seraphin/Booker) are 2 players we targeted and went after via giving up other picks and taking on $17mill in salary. IMO, that puts them beyond the "well, the draft is a crapshoot anyway" excuse that's always bandied about.

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The team that nobody can accuse him of helping
Posted by: melodious_thunk

Well when Wiz trading Kwame for Caron that help justify Miami aquiring Shaq. Which created a huge hole in their salary cap which they will use to get Lebron.

See isn't that hard. Not very realistic though. : )

Waits till Ike Austin is mentioned.

Posted by: dcinmd1

Is this the new version of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon?

How The Wizards Helped Build Every NBA Champion?

Like......the 1990s Bulls?

The Wizards GM is Ernie Grunfeld

Who used to be the GM of the Bucks

Where he traded Ray Allen

Ray Allen was in He Got Game, directed by Spike Lee

Spike Lee starred in commercials with......Michael Jordan!

OMG it works!

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Bosh plays too far from the basket, I dont think the Heat guaranteed themselves anything with the big signing.

If Lebron is leaving Cleveland, kind of a dbag move to announce it on an ESPN special like that. But hey, the guy rolls around in a Yankees cap and is probably a Cowboys fan too....so what do you expect.

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

fareal you gon update it now? get off my D#$% mike lee i was first.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

well, strike Durantula off the FA list (not that many really thought he was ever an option).

So where does that leave us in 2yrs as the plan comes together? Hoping AB is worth an $85,000,000 extension and Wall a superstar is my guess. And there aint nothing wrong with that!

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Bosh plays too far from the basket, I dont think the Heat guaranteed themselves anything with the big signing.

If Lebron is leaving Cleveland, kind of a dbag move to announce it on an ESPN special like that. But hey, the guy rolls around in a Yankees cap and is probably a Cowboys fan too....so what do you expect.

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse
let's be real people, any move would be announced on espn, followed by and introductory press conference which woulda been covered by espn. then they'da had the photoshoot for the Lebron Free Agency ESPN The Magazine photospread, complete with free lebron Headband if you subscribe now. As my man P Diddy once said "it's all about the benjamins". Espn and Tha Knag are gonna squeeze every last dollar out of this one.You think it's a coincidence that they announce the Lebronathon on the same day as Bosh is rumored to go to MIA,the day before Bosh and Wade actually sign and the same day that Amare signs? There's no other splashy FAs that anyone cares about. Nobody's trippin off Boozer. With Wade,Amare, and Bosh gone the spotlight is on Mr. Global Icon,2x NBA MVP and the face of the league.I doubt Bron,Stern or ESPN would have it any other way.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

You been to Cleveland recently lil? Lebron is all they got downtown, seriously. Frikcin ghostown....great people though.

Just sayin if it really is his hometown like he always claims, kinda of a brutal move to announce he's ditchin'em on a primetime 1hr long espn spot. This after the whole city is lined up begging him to stay etc etc. Who know, maybe he's staying there.....but I doubt dude has any homey feelings for the mistake by the lake. He'd be sporting Indians gear and Brown's cap if he did

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

well, strike Durantula off the FA list (not that many really thought he was ever an option).

So where does that leave us in 2yrs as the plan comes together? Hoping AB is worth an $85,000,000 extension and Wall a superstar is my guess. And there aint nothing wrong with that!

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse
good thing about cap sapce is you can almost do whatever you want with it. Lets hope that over the next 2 seasons we can add the pieces necessary to be contenders. coming off of back to back 50+ loss seasons, it's hard to reasonably expect much of a turnaround this year. Too much turnover on the team and not enough experienced players in some key spots will hurt us this year. But having cap money gives you the freedom to make moves in FA or through trades (which allegedly are EG's forte).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

what's with the "durant was never open to" gloss. that's not what that quote said. there's a huge difference between not thinking of something and thinking of something then saying heck no.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | July 7, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

LeBron needs to stay in Cleveland. Either that or pick up the punk-ass "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality and go to Miami. What would that say about his legacy, like the new owner of the Nets said? Everybody can't get a ring. Chicago looks assed out. So does New York and Jersey. LeBron can go to Chicago, New York, New Jersey and still lose. He can ride Wade and Bosh in Miami and that doesn't guarantee he wins THIS YEAR.

LeBron will stay in Cleveland and lose without having the pressure on him to win.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 7, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

You been to Cleveland recently lil? Lebron is all they got downtown, seriously. Frikcin ghostown....great people though.

Just sayin if it really is his hometown like he always claims, kinda of a brutal move to announce he's ditchin'em on a primetime 1hr long espn spot. This after the whole city is lined up begging him to stay etc etc. Who know, maybe he's staying there.....but I doubt dude has any homey feelings for the mistake by the lake. He'd be sporting Indians gear and Brown's cap if he did

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

First of all,it's well documented that the young man was born and raised in Akron,OH. Secondly love of your hometown has little to no relationship with team affiliations. Check out the cowboys,lakers,redsox/yankees, fans from this area. Why don't they root for the hometeams? because they feel like they stink or just generally don't like them.The yankees are kinda america's team when it comes to baseball, somethin stupid like 20+ championships. Tha cowgirls held down the title of america's team forever.if this mid 20s kid doesn't remember the browns (who just arrived like 8 yrs ago) NFLchampionship (not superbowl) in 64 or the indians chip in '48.

But i'm really not understanding why him doing a nationally televised spot to inform everyone of his intentions (which could still include staying home) is that big a deal. Nobody was trippin off the "we are Lebron" guilt trip these folks laid on my boy a coupla weeks back.
But you're right. It is his hometown; and home is where the heart is. he just built a ridiculous mansion in Akron, not cleaveland. His family and friends are all still there. Akron will always have lebron, if he decided to WORK in another city.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

what an egomainiac......raising money for the boys and girls clubs of america F'in jerk. lls

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Check out the cowboys,lakers,redsox/yankees, fans from this area. Why don't they root for the hometeams?"

With homegrown Cowboys fans in DC, it's because they hate their parents. ;)

Of course I get why the Yankees and Lakers have so many fans etc etc....but often those same folks are basically bandwagon anyway. Not always of course

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I care about Lebron James about as much
as I care about global warming -
nothing.

Things must be going pretty well for
many people, if all they have to concern
themselves with is which team he will
play for. Oly in America !

Posted by: muffdiver | July 7, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"LeBron needs to stay in Cleveland. Either that or pick up the punk-ass "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality and go to Miami. What would that say about his legacy"

One thing is certain, if he joins Wade/Bosh in Miami and they a win a bunch of rings- he'll still NEVER be on the level of MJ or Magic or some other all-timers despite his crazy stats. I think he knows that and isnt headed to Miami.

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

LeBron's announcement will take, what, 5 seconds? What's the rest of the hour going to be about? The magnitude of being LeBron? Are they going to show highlights and interview people about how great King James is? Has there ever been more fuss made over a player who hasn't won anything yet?

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 7, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Like I stated, Pech was an abject dud right out of the box after being hyped up etc etc. Seraphin needs to look like a guy who could develop into a serious force (just as Mcgee did). If he's an uncoordinated brute (not saying he is), I'm not giving EG 3yrs of supposed development to judge the pick. As I said, these arnt just the picks we got....they (Seraphin/Booker) are 2 players we targeted and went after via giving up other picks and taking on $17mill in salary. IMO, that puts them beyond the "well, the draft is a crapshoot anyway" excuse that's always bandied about.

Posted by: divi3

I know what you're saying, I'm just saying that I think it's unreasonable. Especially when wrapped in with the rest of what you're saying about expecting a .500 season, etc.

At the end of the day we're talking about picks #17 and #23, and if you look back at the history of guys taken in the area, some times they develop, some times they don't. And I think you're overselling the $17M for a pick part. They took on the $17M because they wanted the pick and they wanted Hinrich. Both. Btw, looking at some of the deals role players have been signing this offseason, his contract starts looking better and better.

Trying to look at a player (or even in this case, a team) after year one is fool's gold. Kwame showed flashes of being a 'serious force' in year one. Remember Jim McIlvaine? Awesome shot-blocker in year one......that never developed into much else.

Meanwhile, even the 'best' GMs miss on picks. The vaunted Trailblazers? Try Martell Webster (6), Sebastian Telfair (13) and Qyntel Woods (21). OKC? How's Mouhamed Saer Sene (10) doing? Johan Petro (25)? Robert Swift (12)?

If they come out of this with only John Wall emerging as a legit player, it's still a good draft. A little disappointing maybe, but still good. And then you come back next year and try to make more moves. That's why rebuilding plans take years, not weeks. And that's why teams are loathe to use that word, because they know fans are too impatient for that. Though I have to admit, even with John Wall coming on board, raising ticket prices is not a great move.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Years ago I lost a bet - I said no one in his right mind would pay to watch a bunch of moo-lon-yons running up and down
a basketball court.

Posted by: muffdiver | July 7, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: muffdiver | July 7, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

luvin tha "handle"...........though i doubt you do

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

With homegrown Cowboys fans in DC, it's because they hate their parents. ;)

Posted by: divi3

I'd also always heard it has a little to do with the Redskins being among the last teams (the last?) to integrate.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

so ts35, you're saying that if seraphin and booker are complete busts while Wall is the real deal, it's just an "oh well, who can really tell with the draft anyway" situation?

I'd ask, what is the point of having a GM then? If Wall is a bust, I'd give EG a 110% pass on that- pretty much had to pick him. But if the draft is such a crapshoot- why give up money and picks to target players rather than just use the picks you have? IMO, if EG (or any GM) gets a pass on picks like Booker/Seraphin not panning out...then why would you credit him if they do? Obviously EG thinks these two are players and went after them...gotta be some of his skin in their development or lack thereof

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

the length of lebron's television special should concern clevelanders. in my opinion, he's giving them a long goodbye. he'll be sure to mention how he'll always be an ohio boy, how much he'll continue to be a part of the community to some degree and how instrumental the cavalier fans have been in his development. you know, the whole "it's not you. it's me." deal. he's as good as gone...to miami.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | July 7, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Check out the cowboys,lakers,redsox/yankees, fans from this area. Why don't they root for the hometeams?"

With homegrown Cowboys fans in DC, it's because they hate their parents. ;)

Of course I get why the Yankees and Lakers have so many fans etc etc....but often those same folks are basically bandwagon anyway. Not always of course

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

i got a homeboy who's like 28 (no dad at home), but only started watching the NFL when he got to HS in like '95. You can remember some of those mid 90's skins teams were pretty bad. But on tha flippy the cowgirls won 3 championships between like 94 and 99. he said that's what got him aboard the bandwagon. Now imagine a kid a few yrs younger than that, who didn't even have a football in his hometown team during that time period. who'd you root for.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that no one sees a possibility of "LeCrabDribble" going to the Clippers? Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, LeBron, Blake Griffin, Kamen looks like a good starting 5 to me. Plus if he can help the Clippers be a good team then he will really go down in history. Plus, he want's to be mentined as being better than Kobe, he could help the Clippers be mentioned in the same breath as the beloved Lakers. Their puppets live in the same house, why can't they play in the same arena? And LA is a major market.

Posted by: BigDogg11 | July 7, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Labron only has 2 choices--Miami or stay with the Cavs.
He won't win anywhere else.
If he goes to Miami he'll "just" be part of a team that wins it.
If he stays home then he'll be a hometown hero but still probrbly lose.
If he goes anywhere else winning is out for this season.
New York/Jersey will get him more pub but he'll lose for at least a year or two. But he'll be in the Big Apple and that could be what he wants.

Posted by: VBFan | July 7, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

With homegrown Cowboys fans in DC, it's because they hate their parents. ;)

Posted by: divi3

I'd also always heard it has a little to do with the Redskins being among the last teams (the last?) to integrate.

Posted by: ts35

It may have been that way 40some years ago. But today, those DC area bred cowboy fans show no pride. I rep the Wiz, Skins, Caps, Mystics, G-town, cause I'm from DC, just like I want the United States to win in the Olympics. Those DC area bred cowboy fans probably root for Argentina or something in the Olympics or World Championships.

That is another reason I feel LeBron should stay in Cleveland. If I was LeBron level in talent but born in DC, and drafted and played my first few years as a Wizard, I would stay a Wizard, win or lose.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 7, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

the length of lebron's television special should concern clevelanders. in my opinion, he's giving them a long goodbye. he'll be sure to mention how he'll always be an ohio boy, how much he'll continue to be a part of the community to some degree and how instrumental the cavalier fans have been in his development. you know, the whole "it's not you. it's me." deal. he's as good as gone...to miami.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | July 7, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse
he'll talk for like 20 mins max over the course of the show. there will be so many commercials and cutaways to other breaking FA news. Not to mention, The Lebronaton or whatever you wanna call it, is raising money for the Boys and Girls Clubs. all of yall talkin this "long kiss goodbye," and "he's doing clev dirty" are the same ones who'll be like "he wasted our time" when he re-signs with the Cavs.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Their puppets live in the same house, why can't they play in the same arena? And LA is a major market.

Posted by: BigDogg11 |

Then he'd have to share the local limelight with Kobby.
That won't work for him.

Posted by: VBFan | July 7, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

It may have been that way 40some years ago. But today, those DC area bred cowboy fans show no pride. I rep the Wiz, Skins, Caps, Mystics, G-town, cause I'm from DC, just like I want the United States to win in the Olympics. Those DC area bred cowboy fans probably root for Argentina or something in the Olympics or World Championships.

That is another reason I feel LeBron should stay in Cleveland. If I was LeBron level in talent but born in DC, and drafted and played my first few years as a Wizard, I would stay a Wizard, win or lose.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 7, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

yeah i know cats with DC, the curly W, their street names and all that tatted on them, but they luv them 'boys. I can understand the old heads (I really mean like 60 and older) who hold on to that "last to integrate" bone. But real talk how much sense do that make; to keep living in and working for and supporting the government of a country that was built on the labor of enslaved africans, and take a stand against a buch of men playing a game. I guess i'm out of touch with my history, but i ain't trippin on either side of that street.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Then he'd have to share the local limelight with Kobby.
That won't work for him.


Posted by: VBFan | July 7, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse
people like Lebron more than Kobe (except round here) he'll eclipse Kobe's off court popularity despite the lakers having an oncourt advantage

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Man, pluck Lebron!!! Where he decides to play next year for $100M or more does not impress not one MF-ing bit. He's acting like he's a gift to humanity when he is a function of disposable income, which ain't as plenty as it once was.

so one o your boys had an idea of announcing where you are going to play like the HS football kids do at the all star games or the signing day show on ESPN. This idea is childish. who's your PR rep, Paris Hilton?

Posted by: oknow1 | July 7, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Thunk,

Why is it a stretch? The Bullets did help the Lakers by trading their #1 pick for an old guy, instead of using it on Kobe. It's a fact, that's all.

The Bullets helped the Pistons win some championships too by gifting them Rasheed, Rip Hamilton, and Big Ben, or is that a stretch too? To me, the Pistons got lopsided value.

The Kings were hot there for awhile, thanks to the Bullets' gift of CWeb, or maybe that was a stretch too?

The fans are down on Ricky Rubio, last year's Wizards' gift, but maybe Ricky will help the Wolves down the line too. At least the Wiz tried to gift the Wolves!

Wake up, the Bullets/Wiz have been gifting the NBA for years. The Heat seem to be helping themselves out this year, without help from the Wiz. That's creative, to do it on their own. You have to admire the heat for building their team without the Wizards' help. Ted is the wise difference this year with the Wiz.

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Obviously EG thinks these two are players and went after them...gotta be some of his skin in their development or lack thereof

Of course he has skin in the game. I just don't believe in judging things prematurely, particularly after year one. If Seraphin looks totally lost out there, which given that he will be new to the system, new to the NBA and still relatively new to basketball, is somewhat likely, does that mean he's not going to be a player? No way to tell. What if Seraphin and Booker are total busts but Ndiaye turns out to be a great find? Does that mean EG's an idiot for giving up the picks to move up, or a genius because he knew there would be a great player at 56?

so ts35, you're saying that if seraphin and booker are complete busts while Wall is the real deal, it's just an "oh well, who can really tell with the draft anyway" situation?

I'm saying it's a piece, but not the whole pie. It's not the end of the world. Because drafting is about somebody's best guess, it's not an exact science. Especially the farther down you get. And some times players show up in year one and some times they show up in year 3 or 4 or 5. And if Wall is the next Derrick Rose or Jason Kidd or whoever you want to compare him too, then it was a great draft, regardless.

GMs do get judged on relative value and are they wrong more than they are right. I just think it's off base to put all of that on Seraphin and Booker in year one.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"The Bullets helped the Pistons win some championships too by gifting them Rasheed, Rip Hamilton, and Big Ben, or is that a stretch too?"

No, it's flat out wrong. Rasheed was traded to the Pistons by the Hawks, who got him from the Blazers, about 5 years after he played his last game in a Bullets uniform. Ben was traded to the Pistons by the Orlando Magic, a year after he last played for the Wizards.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Broussard is no insider...The Bosh to Miami story broke yesterday way before he 'broke' it on Mike and Mike this morning. This guy has speculated as much as anyone and his 'sources' haven't provided any info different than anyone else. Yahoo Sports knows info sooner...

Posted by: kahlua87 | July 7, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of DC Cowboys fans cheer for the Wizards, Caps and having more than a passing interest in Hoyas/Terps hoops as well.

All the Cowgirl fans I grew up with back in the day listened to Charlie Slowes, Mel Proctor and Wes Unseld call Bullets games. Hell, we even argued about who to draft and trades to make.

In fact, rooting for the Bullets might have been the only thing we agreed upon.

Posted by: elfreako | July 7, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: oknow1 | July 7, 2010 12:50 PM

Lebron's just saying his goodbyes to Cleveland. Announcing what team he's going to is secondary.

Posted by: tgif11 | July 7, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Thunk,

Why is it a stretch? The Bullets did help the Lakers by trading their #1 pick for an old guy, instead of using it on Kobe. It's a fact, that's all.

The Bullets helped the Pistons win some championships too by gifting them Rasheed, Rip Hamilton, and Big Ben, or is that a stretch too? To me, the Pistons got lopsided value.

The Kings were hot there for awhile, thanks to the Bullets' gift of CWeb, or maybe that was a stretch too?

The fans are down on Ricky Rubio, last year's Wizards' gift, but maybe Ricky will help the Wolves down the line too. At least the Wiz tried to gift the Wolves!

Wake up, the Bullets/Wiz have been gifting the NBA for years. The Heat seem to be helping themselves out this year, without help from the Wiz. That's creative, to do it on their own. You have to admire the heat for building their team without the Wizards' help. Ted is the wise difference this year with the Wiz.

Posted by: EdDC

Hey, Colonel Kurtz, step away from the ledge for a minute.

I mean, if we're going down this rabbit-hole, let's go. Because really, the Nets and the Mavs and the Pacers screwed us by not taking Kobe earlier and making us the fall guy. That's got to be just as factual, right? Or maybe the Hornets for doing the deal to send Kobe to LA.

I don't recall us actually trading Big Ben to the Pistons or Rasheed to the Pistons. Pretty sure other teams did that. As for C-Webb, that's really Orlando's fault for swapping him for Penny Hardaway in the first place. And they also sent us one of the picks we used to get C-Webb. It's also Orlando's fault for letting Shaq go to LA. And come to think of it, Orlando was the team that sent Big Ben to Detroit. Ah, let's not forget tanking in the Finals. Dude, Orlando's much more responsible for creating Champions than we are!

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Ah, let's not forget tanking in the Finals.
Posted by: ts35

Twice!

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Is big as his ego, LeBron will not settle for playing second fiddle in the FA signing bonanza of this summer. If he wanted to play in Miami with D. Wade and Bosh, a deal would have already been made and there would be no national TV announcement by the Great King James tomorrow night. Considering he's from Akron and has spent his whole career in Cleveland, I can't see how he would disrespect the enter Cavs nation by announcing on a primetime special that he was leaving. LeBron's MO was to recruit a big name FA to join him via a sign and trade, but Bosh wouldn't play in Cleveland.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 7, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Dwayne Wade is past his prime, so it's basically just Chris Bosh in Miami.

Posted by: forgetthis | July 7, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Wizards infamous trades by Wes Unseld:

Rasheed was traded to Portland in 1996 after his rookie year for Rod Strickland.

Big Ben was traded by the Wiz to Orlando in 1998 for the famous Ike Austin.

Neither of these players won championships until they were traded to Detroit.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 7, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

No, it's flat out wrong. Rasheed was traded to the Pistons by the Hawks, who got him from the Blazers, about 5 years after he played his last game in a Bullets uniform. Ben was traded to the Pistons by the Orlando Magic, a year after he last played for the Wizards. Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 1:04 PM |

The Pistons would not have been in that position to win it all in 2003-04 without the Bullets' gifts. The Pistons collected Bullets' mistakes. Sheed and Ben were indirect gifts, but gifts nonetheless. You see, they were gifts cuz the Bullets should have held onto Sheed and Ben instead of trading them and getting older guys with declining value in return. If the Bullets had preferred talent over nothing, these players would not have become Pistons. So the Pistons ultimately benefitted. Rip was a direct gift to the Pistons--a difference maker for sure!

The Bullets and Wiz have been gifting the NBA for years. Some of the gifts have been spread around to share the wealth (outside of DC), but they were still gifts.

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Rasheed was traded to Portland in 1996 after his rookie year for Rod Strickland.

Posted by: wizfan89

A trade that for me is often oversold as a horrible trade. It's a trade that really only looks that bad because we also later traded Webber. Had he stayed, trading Sheed would not have seemed as bad. Because at the time, we had 3 PFs in Howard, Webber and 'Sheed. What we didn't have was a PG.

Meanwhile, while Rod was here, in 4 seasons he averaged 17p / 9a, 17.8p / 10.5a, 15.7p / 9.9a (injury shortened) and in his last season and a half 12p / 7a. So it's not like he was a dud. He was at least a solid player, but in many respects, better than that.

If Webber doesn't get booted to Sacramento in a knee-jerk reaction trade in Strick's 3rd season, who knows?

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Now imagine a kid a few yrs younger than that, who didn't even have a football in his hometown team during that time period. who'd you root for.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 12:35 PM

I just gave up my Skins season tickets, and as recently as last season I was still surprised at how hardcore and jacked up so many younger fans are about the team. 20somethings who have never seen them win anything, and have nothing but somebody else's memories about the first Gibbs era.

I mean who really cares what teams Lebron or anyone roots for, but the above is why I think it's cheesy as all hell to be a Yankees/Cowboys fan. Come on, the Indians were in the World Series in '95!

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"Orlando's much more responsible for creating Champions than we are!"

Dag nabbit, can't we be the best at anything!

Posted by: cballer | July 7, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

@EdDC,

Did the Bullets trade their pick to the Lakers so that they could draft Kobe or did some other team, in fact, draft Kobe with their own pick and trade his rights to the Lakers, thereby helping the Lakers in a far less esoteric sense than the way in which you've tried to link Washington?

For that matter, one could argue that it's also a fact that the Bullets "helped" build the Spurs into champions by having the audacity to make the playoffs in 1997, thereby missing out on the lottery and a chance to draft Tim Duncan. In fact, every team that made the playoffs that year "helped" the Spurs land arguably the best big man in recent NBA history. Simple fact, no?

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 7, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"If the Bullets had preferred talent over nothing, these players would not have become Pistons. "

Seriously, stop with this nonsense.

They traded Rasheed for Rod Strickland, one of the best PGs of his generation (thought by some to be one of the best players in the NBA never to make an All-Star game). They traded Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse, a multiple all-star who was the second-leading scoring in the NBA a couple years before.

Were they bad trades? Maybe, maybe not (really, if everything else had remained the same, it's hard to see how having Hamilton over Stack would have radically altered the team's fortunes). But this "they gave them away for nothing and therefore are responsible for the success of teams they landed on more than half-a-decade later" crap is getting stale and a bit gamey.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Come on, the Indians were in the World Series in '95!

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Lebron was like 11 then, i dunno that he was as much of a trendsetter back then to be one of the only young black ghetto kids reppin Tha Tribe, and since then how bout them Indians.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Sheed and Ben were indirect gifts, but gifts nonetheless.
Posted by: ts35

So wait. Is Sheed a gift to the Pistons championship, or is the gift to the Celtics because we didn't draft Garnett instead?

Speaking of Boston, is their gift to the Spurs for tanking games to tick off the basketball gods and end up drafting 3rd in the Tim Duncan draft, or to the Pistons for drafting Billups, but then trading him?

Is the Lakers trading Shaq a gift to the Heat, or a re-gift so they could win back to backs later?

Sorry, I'm still hazy on the logic.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"A trade that for me is often oversold as a horrible trade. It's a trade that really only looks that bad because we also later traded Webber. Had he stayed, trading Sheed would not have seemed as bad. Because at the time, we had 3 PFs in Howard, Webber and 'Sheed. What we didn't have was a PG."

I see what you are saying, and really the dumber move was trading CWebb over some ganja....BUT, trading Wallace still looks to me an organization having no clue in the talent evaluation dept. I mean, 'Sheed left and was immediately dropping 15pts/night on 55%FG his 2nd year! You look at the guy for an entire season and still think he should be moved....I doubt they'd have done the trade if they knew what they had.

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Dwayne Wade is past his prime, so it's basically just Chris Bosh in Miami."

The dude is 28. If that's "past your prime," I'll have some of that . . .

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 7, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The hard fact about the Summer of Lebron:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/07/lebron/index.html

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

decent article, but i couldn't tell how the writer REALLY felt about Lebron

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

@EdDC,

Did the Bullets trade their pick to the Lakers so that they could draft Kobe or did some other team, in fact, draft Kobe with their own pick and trade his rights to the Lakers, thereby helping the Lakers in a far less esoteric sense than the way in which you've tried to link Washington?Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 7, 2010

Hey look, what happened is this: the Bullets had a #1 pick. Instead of holding onto the pick, and drafting Kobe if they had wanted to, they traded the pick for a PG, Mark Price, who was too old and hobbled to do anything on the court. True, the Cavs misused the pick by drafting some lug named Potapenko. The Lakers, drafting next, were wise enough to jump on Kobe with that pick (instructing the Hornets to take him).

As a Wiz fan, you don't see the wisdom of what the Lakers did, or even see a link to what the Bullets did to help the Lakers win championships, but the Lakers were smart. As a Wizards fan, it is so difficult to see the idiocy of what the Bullets did, but it was a dumb move. And the fact is that the Bullets could have held onto the pick and drafted Kobe. It is just a simple fact, no more and no less. Really this is a stretch only for a Wizards fan to see. Anyone else could see it.

The Wizards have a hard time thinking ahead. So naturally all those moves on the chess board are going to be confusing! Understandable.

As for the great Rod Strickland, he was on the decline by the time he became a Bullet. He was shooting 47 and 48 percent as a youth, but his tired less-quick legs only allowed him to shoot 42 and 43 percent as a Bullet. He was not a selfless point guard at all, but a past-his-prime, me-first guy who was modestly valuable as a Bullet. Rod was nowhere near as good as they guy the Bullets traded to get Rod, namely Rasheed Wallace.

Productive guys in their prime, especially tall and tallented guys, are usually better than short, old guys on the decline. Same for Webber vs. Mitch Richmond. It's really tough for Wizards' fans to see this, of course, since the Bullets have trained their fans into thinking ahead only one season at a time.

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I had never heard of plantar fasciitis until what, 5mins after Mark Price got here? You'd almost think he tanked it....

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I doubt they'd have done the trade if they knew what they had.

Posted by: divi3

'What they had' was three guys who played the same position and no one to get them the ball. They were able to shoe-horn Howard in as a miscast SF, but neither Webber nor Wallace showed the inclination to play C. There were also some concerns about Wallace's temper tantrums.

Wallace starting playing well, and Strickland played well. I mean, he averaged 10 assists a game. The Wiz got to the playoffs. Sounds like a trade that worked for both teams. And certainly not as one-sided as some of their other fiascos.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I got Lebron going to the New Jesey nets. he wants to be a Billionaire, and he wants to be a Global Icon.

What better way to become both of those by hanging out with the best rapper ( a global icon) and a Billionaire owner.

they sign James, and Boozer have a line up of

Harris
Lee
James
Boozer
Lopez

they instantly become a playoff team (like the billionaire promised) they move the team to Brooklyn and change the name to the Brooklyn Bombers,

but...Lebron doesnt win a title. for all what its worth he doesnt win one.

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 7, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"It's really tough for Wizards' fans to see this, of course, since the Bullets have trained their fans into thinking ahead only one season at a time"

And at what Buddhist mystical shrine did you learn the sublime art of looking 15 years into the past and then, using techniques long forgotten before man first walked upright, incorrectly divining what has already happened 10 years past?

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Lebron James is like the Modern day Wilt Chamberlin. i seriously doubt he wins a title during his prime. He gets close of course but being in the east with Wade and Bosh..that tandem is going to be very tough for years especially if they sign haywood and miller.

i got Miami and LA playing in the finals next season
LA LAKERS that is

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 7, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

As for the great Rod Strickland, he was on the decline by the time he became a Bullet. He was shooting 47 and 48 percent as a youth, but his tired less-quick legs only allowed him to shoot 42 and 43 percent as a Bullet. He was not a selfless point guard at all, but a past-his-prime, me-first guy who was modestly valuable as a Bullet. Rod was nowhere near as good as they guy the Bullets traded to get Rod, namely Rasheed Wallace.
Posted by: EdDC

Ed, did the Wizards make the playoffs with Rasheed? Did they with Rod?

How many assists did the me-first guy average while he was here? Was Rasheed in his prime, or was he a second-year player?

Was Kobe such a Hall of Fame lock that he went #1? #2? #3? Or was he a high schooler at a time when picking high schoolers was not as acceptable as it is now? Is it just as likely the Wizards would not have picked Kobe even if they had had either of the two picks they had in that first round?

Wizards fans may have blinders on, but the Wizards haters seem to have blindfolds on. If you want to say the Wizards have sucked for most of 30 years, that's fine. There's plenty of evidence just on the face of it without having to resort to woulda coulda shoulda's or drawing straight line connections where they don't exist.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm with EdDC on this one re: Strickland was pretty good for us but he wasnt all that AND he had been a trouble making headcase prior to getting here- so how could attitude be a factor in moving Sheed?

Trading a young, tall talent for a small aging one is always a risky proposition, and getting to the playoffs once while the guy you traded goes on to a 15yr excellent nba career is proof in the pudding imo.

Who cares if we had a glut of PFs when 'Sheed was on a rook contract anyway? I mean, who else has ever drafted a highly touted big man with a top5 pick....then traded him the very next year? After a very solid rookie season no less? Seems like typical Bullets bizarro world of the time

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Rod Strickland was a key cog to the first bullets/wizards playoff series i ever got to see. so if you're hatin on the wiz trading Sheed for Strick you're hustlin backwards.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"And certainly not as one-sided as some of their other fiascos."

that's true!

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

For that matter, one could argue that it's also a fact that the Bullets "helped" build the Spurs into champions by having the audacity to make the playoffs in 1997, thereby missing out on the lottery and a chance to draft Tim Duncan. In fact, every team that made the playoffs that year "helped" the Spurs land arguably the best big man in recent NBA history. Simple fact, no?

Posted by: melodious_thunk

Logic will get you nowhere, thunk.

Posted by: tgif11 | July 7, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

i'm more salty at Billy Crystal for effing up Big Gheorge's knees

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

No one said Strickland was the second coming of John Stockton. But he was a productive player and a key cog in a playoff caliber team. There's a huge difference between that being "nothing."

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

It was worse than that, divi3. He screwed up his feet. Bad feet on a guy that big ain't good at all.

Posted by: tgif11 | July 7, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if I agree with the writer's premise that LeBron knew where he was going to end up a year ago, but, boy, a one hour prime time show to make a 5 second announcement does sound like ego run amok.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 7, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

@EdDC

It's 2010. I dunno if you knew that.

2Pac and Biggie died too...not sure if you knew that...

I'm just sayin...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

EdDC-- In addition to being ridiculously illogical, your contentions also fail on other levels.

1. Mark Price was not "some old guy." He was a multiple all-star and the leader on the 2nd best team in the East in the 90's. His career ended abruptly during his 7th game for the Bullets, but he was even more of a star than Strickland, who was pretty darn good. At that point with all our young PF's, we were desperate for a veteran point and so brought in Price, Skiles, and Strickland in rapid succession. The fact that you keep calling Price "some old guy" removes all possibility that you're making a legit argument and not just trying to rile us up. Until Price's injury with the Bullets, he was mentioned in the same breath as Stockton.

2. Kobe to Lakers was PRE-ARRANGED. It was like Elway to Denver or Eli Mannning to NY. Kobe was considered special then, but an anomoly because in 1996 NO wing player had EVER come straight out of HS - it was ONLY big men. So everyone knew he was great, but a risk. Kobe had leverage and announced he would only play for LA. LA then found a deal to allow them to take Kobe in the lottery. Kobe was threatening to pull a Danny Ferry if anyone but the Lakers took him (and remember he speaks Italian, so Kobe to Europe was a credible threat). And even with all that, LA still had to give up a starting center (probably the 5th -10th best in the league then) to get him. The Lakers weren't light years ahead of everyone, just the beneficiaries of the Lakers aura.

To recap, Ed, Price was good; Kobe would only play for LA; the Bullets did not cause the end of the world by making that trade; Grunfield was not involved. Done.

Posted by: Urnesto | July 7, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"His career ended abruptly during his 7th game for the Bullets"

He played in 130 games after leaving DC and averaged 10pts/5assts....I kinda think he screwed us over, but cant quite recall consensus at the time

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The SI article was snide gossipy pseudo analysis and not much more. "LeBron James got what he wanted: adoration, adoration, adoration. And maybe I'm wrong, but I really think Cleveland will get what it wants: another half-dozen years of LeBron James. It should be the perfect marriage. It's just too bad that James is such a shameless flirt."
These guys are entertainers and businessman and if they're not they have businessmen to do their business but they are athletes who have elevated into a pop-stardom stratosphere. Obviously talents like LBJ and MJ will make their big money off the court, flirting, nay, intercourse with the media is part of the job.

"In so many ways, LeBron James should be a better player than Michael Jordan...But if you could somehow suspend the laws of time and space and get the 25-year-old Jordan and the 25-year-old James on the same court, you would have to go with M.J., because he wouldn't worry about pregame theatrics or postgame speculation. He would spend every minute trying to rip James' heart out."
More cheap psychoanalyzing, Jordan didn't win a championship until he was 28 and then had his third by 30. Once the pieces were in place it happened fast. A more interesting question, if James played with the same collection of players as Jordan would the rings follow? Or if Jordan was on the Cavs last year instead of James would they have pushed any deeper into the playoffs?
James could still get a ring by the time he's 28, some, a lot of that depends on luck. Really the media circus is the media doing their thing, James and for that matter Wade and Bosh are looking for a stage and a way to win some rings, that's where the big pay days are.

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 7, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Trading a young, tall talent for a small aging one is always a risky proposition, and getting to the playoffs once while the guy you traded goes on to a 15yr excellent nba career is proof in the pudding imo.

No question, but when you have 3 tall 'talents' and no small ones, it's less of a risky proposition. Juwan was the golden child, Webber was the wunderkind, and then there was Rasheed who had obvious talent, but was a headcase, which made him the tradable one. And if you have a 'glut' at one position, and a 'dearth' at another, doesn't it make sense to trade from the glut to fill the dearth?

They made it to the playoffs once....and Webber was traded by the next year. Not sure you can put that on Rod. And for a dude who has fallen in love with AB's numbers among others, not sure how you can diss and dismiss 17pts 10 asts a game.

Plus, let's not cover Rasheed in roses after the fact. He had his issues. He could easily have averaged over 20pts a game if he had been willing to shoot more from the low box with that great long-armed jumper he has. But he loved to shoot the 3. Even when his team needed someone to score down low. He had problems with his temper throughout his time in Portland (are we forgetting the tech-fests?) Dude was so awesome that Portland traded him in his actual prime.

Two complicated characters were traded for each other, both played well for their new teams. That trade isn't that lopsided. It's the Webber trade that botched everything up.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

i got Miami and LA playing in the finals next season
LA LAKERS that is

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 7, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Miami? Finals?

Name their starting five.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"His career ended abruptly during his 7th game for the Bullets"

He played in 130 games after leaving DC and averaged 10pts/5assts....I kinda think he screwed us over, but cant quite recall consensus at the time

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse
---------------
You're right and I think both are true. Price at 10/5 is not the same Price as with the Cav's. Basically, he missed almost the whole season with the Bullets and then screwed us by taking less to play at GS. I remember hating Mark Price at the time, because we gave up the pick and only paid for the injury. He was never the same AND he screwed the Bullets.

Posted by: Urnesto | July 7, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Wait? 2Pac and Biggie are dead???

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse


the length of lebron's television special should concern clevelanders. in my opinion, he's giving them a long goodbye. he'll be sure to mention how he'll always be an ohio boy, how much he'll continue to be a part of the community to some degree and how instrumental the cavalier fans have been in his development. you know, the whole "it's not you. it's me." deal. he's as good as gone...to miami.
Posted by: omgwthrotfl

I don't know why, but I'm starting to feel that way too and I now believe he's actually leaving Cleveland. That 60-minute program is like a 21st century version of a 10-page "Dear John" letter.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | July 7, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody think that Miami might be willing to take Kirk off our hands?

Posted by: 33dgriffin | July 7, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

But they keep releasing albums!!

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 7, 2010 3:13 PM

re: MJ and Lebron.....I think Lebron's playoff exits and demeanor in being ousted over these past 2 seasons makes for the very valid argument that he's different than MJ in a big way, which is all the guy was saying. It's a different world now obviously, and that could be a big reason Lebron doesnt seem to have quite the singular focus MJ did.

Jordan was the greatest to ever play, even people who say he wasnt (but Russell won 10 rings!!) know he really was....no shame for Lebron in not being considered the same way yet.

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

@divi
Jordan was special, no doubt. Better than Russel or Oscar Robertson I'm not sure. Would MJ have taken the Cavs past Boston last year? Would James have won a championship with Pippen, Paxson and Horace Clark?

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 7, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"Does anybody think that Miami might be willing to take Kirk off our hands?"

I doubt it. Not that they might not be interested in what he can do on the floor, but given how little cap space they'll have after signing Wade and Bosh, his price tag is most likely too high for them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if I agree with the writer's premise that LeBron knew where he was going to end up a year ago, but, boy, a one hour prime time show to make a 5 second announcement does sound like ego run amok.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 7, 2010 3:03 PM

Coming into this whole circus I was of the opinion that James had already made up his mind a while ago. I mean, if you think about it, why wouldn't he? He's known what the options and variables were for a while now. This isn't the kind of decision you make at the last minute. If anything, I think the factor that might have made him reopen the book was the fact that the other marquee names didn't dutifully wait in line behind him while he decided. Stoudemire, Wade, Bosh, and Johnson all did their own things and put him in a position where he had to take them into consideration, which is probably not what he was expecting. Just that quick he lost the "alpha dog" status. I think this whole 1-hour special nonsense is his way of getting some of it back.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The point I am trying to make is that Wizards fans have been trained by the Wiz to think the short-sighted route is the best one. Well, we are all just going to have to be re-trained, under Ted, to think ahead and build toward championships. It will be a tough adjustment for some.

Rod was OK for an old guy in decline. He was "nothing" in comparison to what the Wiz gave up to acquire him. Nothing--as in no chance for a big sparkling championship ring.

As to the arguments that you can't play all three bigs together: you get 96 minutes a game at the 4 and 5 spots. That amounts to 32 minutes on average per big (Juwan, Sheed and Web). A good coach can get beyond the head cases and pull a team together. (Web got really p-ssed at the Bullets for trading away the #1 for Mark Price--is that being a head case?) The Wiz could at least have tried winning with a big powerful threesome! Besides, players get dinged and need a rest. That kind of core will get you deep in the playoffs, so you need to rest your bigs. Bigs can't go 48 minutes a game.

As to dwelling in the past, you are making my point. It is time to let go and try something entirely new! Having Ted here is the best opportunity to win big that the franchise has had. Ted will assure that the Wiz go with youth and build for the future, not just a year ahead. Posters wanted Joe Johnson oh so bad on this blog. Wrong decision. They want to give old Josh Howard a try. Who cares? Let's focus on youth, like the Wiz/Bullets should have done throughout their last three decades. This will involve thinking many moves ahead on the chess board, like the Lakers have done.

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Would James have won a championship with Pippen, Paxson and Horace Clark?
Posted by: midlevex_

Somewhere Horace Grant is crying in his goggles.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse


You jumped the shark with that last post, divi3 (oops, I mean EdDC).

Posted by: bobabuie | July 7, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

As to the arguments that you can't play all three bigs together: you get 96 minutes a game at the 4 and 5 spots. That amounts to 32 minutes on average per big (Juwan, Sheed and Web).

Yeah, great point, except for the part where Sheed and Webber refused to play the C.

A good coach can get beyond the head cases and pull a team together.

Well, arguably the best head case / ego management coach around at the moment, Phil Jackson, couldn't get Shaq and Kobe to stay together. But you're saying we should have pinned our hopes on Jim Lynam and Bernie Bickerstaff?

Rod was OK for an old guy in decline. He was "nothing" in comparison to what the Wiz gave up to acquire him. Nothing--as in no chance for a big sparkling championship ring.

Objection. Assumes 'facts' not in evidence. Considering he actually helped the Wizards get TO the playoffs for the first time in how long?

In terms of what you're saying about the present, I tend to agree with that. Maybe you should stick to the present from now on.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"One thing is certain, if he joins Wade/Bosh in Miami and they a win a bunch of rings- he'll still NEVER be on the level of MJ or Magic or some other all-timers despite his crazy stats."

MJ, perhaps not. But why not Magic? Would the players surrounding James in Miami (Bosh, Wade and ??) be any better than, or even as good as, those that Earvin Johnson played with in LA (Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Cooper)? My feeling is that multiple titles get you some major "dap," no matter what the circumstances.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 7, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering why the Redskins aren't in the mix for Lebron?

Posted by: frankjomama | July 7, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

No, not Bernie and Lynam--a good coach who knows how to get guys to play together! In ther NBA, this is what it is all about, managing egos. The best ones succeed. That's what you want, not the two you mentioned!

On Rod, true that. Rod can get you some respectability, which is what the Bullets were trying for and what Bullets fans, such as yourself, were happy to settle for. I'm afraid you are going to have to get used to higher goals under Ted Leonsis. Sorry for troubling you with that thought. You don't trade tall talented young bigs for short old guys in decline, no matter how much you hunger for a first round playoff appearance. Most teams assume that level of success.

I am very much living in the present for the Wiz. I am as excited for the Wiz' long-term prospects as I have ever been. Ted has been a student of the Wiz historically bad moves. He won't repeat the same kind of mistakes. This is the first time in years I can say I'm a Wiz fan.

By the way, in Rod's six years here, he gave the Bullets one trip to the playoffs, a first round loss. That's it. One trip. Big deal.

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Miami? Finals?

Name their starting five.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse


cant name anyones starting 5 until the season starts. But they were a 5 seed with what they had. Add bosh and maybe a haywood and mike miller and you have a hell of a starting 5.

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 7, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering why the Redskins aren't in the mix for Lebron?

Posted by: frankjomama

How do you know they're not??? Maybe that's what is going to take 60 minutes to explain.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Two complicated characters were traded for each other, both played well for their new teams. That trade isn't that lopsided. It's the Webber trade that botched everything up.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse
sums it up pretty well

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

shouldnt we sign Haslem to mentor Seraphin?

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the writer.
lebron is too infilated to join CB and DW.
He is wining now.Basketball wise ,he might do better(in playoff) if he play in chicago with a good center and excellent PG but this is also humilation to LJ.
All this circus is a psychotheraphy for his failure to apear in estern confrence final for two years in a raw.
The circus might have done a lot to his fragile mentality but he distracted the club, they have done noting in this draft and wasted time to work on trade.He need to change his attitude, learn to defend the best player in critical games atleast in the 4th quarter.If he could try against the orlando center instade of garding Alston he would probably had a better chance.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 7, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

By the way, in Rod's six years here, he gave the Bullets one trip to the playoffs, a first round loss. That's it. One trip. Big deal.

Posted by: EdDC

They summer after the went to the playoffs, Webber was traded. Not sure how you put that on Rod. If you want to complain about franchise-crippling mistakes, focus on that one.

Or maybe two. If it's all about keeping draft picks, was trading Googs + 3 picks (including a higher one in the 96 draft than the pick you keep complaining about) for Webber a mistake?

Both of those are more arguable than Sheed for Strick.

But that's not a concern for you, because you're more interested in whitewashing the past in the name of jumping on the bandwagon....which I'm sure you'll jump off of at the first sign of trouble.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse
Rod helped get them to the playoffs then the next season Webb got busted on Lottsford Rd in landover smokin that sticky. That same year some chick got raped at him and juwan's pool party. The front office had enough and traded Webb for Mitch Richmond who effectively torpedoed the franchise. It wasn't the Strickland deal that set us back;eventhough having sheed woulda been nice, it was the knee jerk Webb trade. The Strick move didn't just get us some respectability, it got us into the playoffs.Too bad we ran into Mike and his singular focus.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

shouldnt we sign Haslem to mentor Seraphin?

Posted by: divi3

Naah, we've got AB and JaVale. They're going to get him up to speed on posting up.....unfortunately with AB it will be posting up bail, and with JaVale, it will be posting up to YouTube.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Does anybody think that Miami might be willing to take Kirk off our hands?"

I doubt it. Not that they might not be interested in what he can do on the floor, but given how little cap space they'll have after signing Wade and Bosh, his price tag is most likely too high for them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse


Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 33dgriffin | July 7, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

i just don't know why he wants to dwell on 15 year old misfortunes. can't we at least talk about the teams 2 yr old misfortunes?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

shouldnt we sign Haslem to mentor Seraphin?

Posted by: divi3

Naah, we've got AB and JaVale. They're going to get him up to speed on posting up.....unfortunately with AB it will be posting up bail, and with JaVale, it will be posting up to YouTube.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

i feel like i owe you a drink holmes what's your brand? or what's your "strain"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to compare one mistake vs. another. The mistakes go back too many years. Because you can point out bigger mistakes (I can too) doesn't make the Rod mistake a good move. It was an absolutely terrible move, unless you only think very short term. The Rod move is one example of many in trading youthful talent for short-term respectability (an upside future in exchange for downside future). It's the old Wiz trademark. The 2009 trade for Foye and Miller is but the latest in a long series of bad moves--all of the very same type.

No, I'm on the bandwagon for good. I won't jump off. Ted will make mistakes too! But I'll bet the won't make short-sighted ones. He learned his lesson with Jaromir Jagr. He is going with the kids.

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere Horace Grant is crying in his goggles.
And Horace Clark, who wasn't a bad 2nd basemen for the Yankees, during their years in purgatory is wondering where the rings came from.

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 7, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Because you can point out bigger mistakes (I can too) doesn't make the Rod mistake a good move.
Posted by: EdDC

I'm just still waiting for the part where you actually demonstrate that it was a mistake instead of just waxing philosophic.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I thought I had seen and heard everything in the Sports and Entertainment worlds, but with this Lebron James "announcement", we are definitely over the top.

I can't believe that the suits at Disney/ABC/ESPN are co-conspirators in this circus, but I guess the thought ot "high ratings" talks.


This deserved a 15-minute press conference at best, but a 1-HOUR PRIMETIME SPECIAL!!!!!


Unbelievable

Posted by: duggy | July 7, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Boozer signed with Chicago which probably means they don't have the room for James. Unless they make a move tonight to clear room.

LeBron stays in Cleveland, right?

I'm not sure Bosh and Wade are a good mix. Their games just don't mesh to me. Maybe they'll adjust.

Posted by: SteveMG | July 7, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

BOOZER TO THE BULLS....THAT MESSES UP MY THEORY BIG TIME

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 7, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Coming into this whole circus I was of the opinion that James had already made up his mind a while ago. I mean, if you think about it, why wouldn't he? He's known what the options and variables were for a while now. This isn't the kind of decision you make at the last minute. If anything, I think the factor that might have made him reopen the book was the fact that the other marquee names didn't dutifully wait in line behind him while he decided.
If he'd made up his mind than the others didn't need to dutifully wait in line. Actually they took awhile to make their own moves, I don't think LBJ had entirely made up his mind. James' ambivalence was probably the result of a divided motivation between loyalty to Cleveland where none of the other marquee players seemed inclined to go and a desire to surround himself with quality players. His lingering act before closing the door and announcing for the Cavs (if that's what he does) may have been a negotiating tactic, it may have been a play to get Bosh or Wade to Cleveland or, ultimately, the disappointment of forfeiting greener pastures elsewhere and resignation of returning to Cleveland and a team that just can't get it done. Other than that LBJ certainly has some prima donna in him.

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 7, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Because you can point out bigger mistakes (I can too) doesn't make the Rod mistake a good move.
Posted by: EdDC

I'm just still waiting for the part where you actually demonstrate that it was a mistake instead of just waxing philosophic.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 5:26 PM |

Let's move on. The free agent moves happening right now are too exiting. We just have a fundamental difference in philosophy. You like shorter, older guys who give you a chance to possibly make the playoffs one year or so. You like the idea of watching players' talents decline--just to see what they might have left in the gas tank. Yes, that can be interesting! In contrast, I like to have on my team young, tall guys with lots of talent and big upside potential--guys who can take the team to the top.

Both of our viewpoints are equally legit. It is just a question of what your goals are, that's all.

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"You see why Big Ted wants to build through the draft? The players you draft and develop are twice as likely to resign with you as opposed to another squad.

Posted by: elfreako | July 7, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse "

So, based on your theory, which players that EG has drafted in the past would he really want to re-sign?

None really...

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 7, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

So, the theory that EG was being patient for next season's free agents is really silly since Durant resigned and Melo probably will resign.

Looks like the only losers will be the Nets and they already have a top notch PG so they won't need Gilby in a trade.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 7, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

We just have a fundamental difference in philosophy.
Posted by: EdDC

Very true. I'm interested in building a balanced team, rather than just a really tall team where 3 guys want to play the same position, two of them pout when asked to play out of position, and no one can get them the ball. And let's just skip that whole part where Strickland actually produced big time numbers while he was here. Why let facts cloud the argument?

But I get your philosophy, you're saying that there's no way the Celtics should have traded those young players and picks for old guys with declining talent like Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. Instead they should continue to worship at the altar of upside!

The Wiz should have too! We should have kept Kwame! He was young, tall with tons of upside potential!

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Strickland was never going to win, his off the court stuff just got too absurd. I'll take a pouting, tech inducing player over a guy driving around drunk with Chico Debarge beating up women. Although, that has to be about the funniest awful incident you'll ever hear....and I do thank Rod for all the laughs his antics produced over the years. But real world, the guy is a mess.

Which really makes the Webber trade that much more appalling as it was for conduct and attitude issues. If we could deal with Rod we surely coulda dealt with CWebb!

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The Celtics under Red got lots of young guys, stealing them away from other teams. Some even played the same position. Havlicek was a 6th man for years. Red kept on wheeling and dealing, and didn't abandon the plan because he didn't have the exact right mix. He built and built, until he could just sit back and light the victory cigar.

Yes, you can also get a title by getting lucky and buying your way to success with old guys. I freely acknowledge that. The new Celtics did it.

I prefer going with the kids. I am glad Ted is not just trying to buy old guys. He is patiently building the right way. You will see.

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the new Celtics won once by buying old guys. Old guys can only give you so much for so long.

Red's Celtics won lots of times, year after year, by stealing young talent and draft picks from short-sighted teams. This is Ted's model, going forward--a building process.

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

movement to send the Wiz to the divison with the kicks nets and celtics get them out of a southeast that is loaded

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | July 7, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

About Oly Pecherov: am I misremembering or did he actually spend the first season after he was drafted in Europe?

Just wondering how he could have been a bust from the outset if we didn't see him...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"The Bullets helped the Pistons win some championships too by gifting them Rasheed, Rip Hamilton, and Big Ben, or is that a stretch too?"
No, it's flat out wrong. Rasheed was traded to the Pistons by the Hawks, who got him from the Blazers, about 5 years after he played his last game in a Bullets uniform. Ben was traded to the Pistons by the Orlando Magic, a year after he last played for the Wizards.Posted by: kalo_rama"

There you go with reality again. That's going to seriously cramp some style around this blog, y'know.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the new Celtics won once by buying old guys. Old guys can only give you so much for so long.

Red's Celtics won lots of times, year after year, by stealing young talent and draft picks from short-sighted teams. This is Ted's model, going forward--a building process.

Posted by: EdDC

Ed, you seem confused. We're not arguing about the best way for Ted to proceed, or even about team building in general. We're arguing about your tenuous grasp of history.

(Btw, weren't those old guys just in the Finals again and took it to seven games? Don't they have a ring?)

We were talking about the genius of Rasheed Wallace. I mean those career averages of 14.6 pts and 6.7 rbs a game....I mean, wow. It's like we missed out on Rashard Lewis or Al Harrington. Give me a sec, I'm still getting over the pain. Or those years with those Pistons teams going deep in the playoffs, where he was the fourth or fifth best player on the floor. It's like someone stole my childhood. I don't know if I'll ever recover.

Also, don't let it stop you that those Wizards teams were built off of Howard (drafted), Webber (acquired at age 22), Cheaney (drafted), Muresan (drafted), Harvey Grant (drafted), Chris Whitney (signed at 24) and Tracy Murray (acquired at age 25). So the team you're complaining about was built pretty much by the theory you're espousing. Which is where we get back to questioning your tenuous grasp of history.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

If Lebron goes to NY I hope someone catches him on the subway and puts him on peopleofthemta.com

Posted by: DCMIKE718 | July 7, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Samson151 have u seem my boy Magnum Rolle making his presence felt in the summer league. i know it's only summer league but he has been getting a lot of attention and high remark's for his play from the comentator's. he so far is making me look like a genius.

Posted by: dakel76 | July 7, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Samson151 have u seem my boy Magnum Rolle making his presence felt in the summer league. i know it's only summer league but he has been getting a lot of attention and high remark's for his play from the comentator's. he so far is making me look like a genius.Posted by: dakel76"

No, I missed that. Got the link?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

"Like I stated, Pech was an abject dud right out of the box after being hyped up etc etc. Seraphin needs to look like a guy who could develop into a serious force (just as Mcgee did). If he's an uncoordinated brute (not saying he is), I'm not giving EG 3yrs of supposed development to judge the pick. As I said, these arnt just the picks we got....they (Seraphin/Booker) are 2 players we targeted and went after via giving up other picks and taking on $17mill in salary. IMO, that puts them beyond the "well, the draft is a crapshoot anyway" excuse that's always bandied about.Posted by: divi3"

LOL a few of the errors:

1) Pech wasn't 'an abject dud right out of the box.' He was a virtual unknown in this country when he was drafted, and got 'stashed' for a season overseas. As far as his talent, there were fans on this blog who felt strongly that he should have been playing -- and that he would be a success in Minnesota.

2) Like Pecherov, Seraphin arrives in Washington as a virtual unknown. We know even less about him than we did about McGee, and we knew little about Javale until he started dunking in practice. The few YouTube clips show that he's far from uncoordinated, but he sure doesn't seem to have much in the way of skills. To expect him to look anything but raw is just another setup for disappointment.

3) In a typical draft, once you're outside the top five or ten picks, drafting takes on whole other dimension of risk. By picks 17 through 30, you're into crapshoot territory. By a few picks into the second round, the odds of real success are firmly against you. Of course, people win at craps, too, but not all that often.

Conclusion: the Wiz have a long way to climb this season. Maybe not the longest climb in the NBA, but they're in the running. Anybody who says otherwise is selling something.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

the summer league game's are on nbatv. they have been talking about him alot. i think the pacers play tomorrow check him out. it's rare i miss on a player but so far so good with rolle. the thing is he has for the first time during this draft process has worked out with people who know's how to maximize his talent and it seem's to be affective.

Posted by: dakel76 | July 8, 2010 1:55 AM | Report abuse

"the summer league game's are on nbatv. they have been talking about him alot. i think the pacers play tomorrow check him out. it's rare i miss on a player but so far so good with rolle. the thing is he has for the first time during this draft process has worked out with people who know's how to maximize his talent and it seem's to be affective.Posted by: dakel76"

I think you should be commended for being loyal. By the way, is it really rare that you miss on a player? You should consider a career in scouting.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Props to ts35. Hilarious.

Posted by: Charles_Day@comcast.net | July 8, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Where Lebron ended up hasn't changed my life one iota, I still had to get up for work, pay my bills, and deal with my daughter's issues. However, Lebron needs to remember that the Yankees, despite having the biggest payroll and best players in the 21st Century took 10 years to win a World Series. I wonder if Lebron has figured that out.

Posted by: rsteffens1 | July 9, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

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