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How Amare Stoudemire signing affects the Wizards


Who's coming with me? (AP Photo)


Amare Stoudemire announced on Monday at Madison Square Garden that he will sign with the New York Knicks by proclaiming, "The Knicks are back."

It was a bold statement since the Knicks still have a long way to go before they can field an actual team, let alone a contender. But the Knicks' five-year, $99.8 million agreement with Stoudemire certainly puts the team in play to acquire the necessary pieces to get good in the near future.

Stoudemire spent the weekend in New York -- attending a Broadway play, a Yankees game and partying with Knicks owner James Dolan in the Hamptons on the North Shore -- while proclaiming that he planned on bringing along Carmelo Anthony and Tony Parker next summer. He also said that he would hit the phones to recruit some of the current crop of players, including LeBron James and Dwyane Wade.

"No one wanted to make the first move," Stoudemire told reporters in New York, "and I feel confident enough to take that first step and hopefully now we can bring a few guys in to join me."

The Knicks undoubtedly want to get James or Wade to complete the dream scenario that they imagined when they purged their roster of undesirable contracts in hopes of having money for this summer. If James stays in Cleveland, Wade becomes a possible alternative for the Knicks.

But even if they don't land James or Wade, the Stoudemire agreement guarantees something else that's very important for the Knicks: They no longer are desperate.

So, how does that affect the Wizards? Well, it eliminates a little leverage should they attempt to deal Gilbert Arenas to New York this summer.

The Wizards haven't openly placed Arenas on the market, and both Ernie Grunfeld and owner Ted Leonsis have consistently spoken about how he will be back next season. But don't think for a minute that the Wizards haven't considered dealing him to a team with cap space that whiffs badly in free agency this summer. They spoke with Orlando about a possible deal the week of the draft, but didn't feel too much pressure to execute anything knowing that teams could be in dire situations to improve depending on how this summer works out.

The Knicks seemed like a possible option for an Arenas deal if they were unable find a taker for their armored truckload of cash. The prevailing sentiment was that the Knicks would need someone to sell to their fans after promising them that their past two seasons of supporting a lousy team would be rewarded this summer. Questions, of course, would surround Arenas after playing 47 games the past three seasons and coming back from an embarrassing gun incident, but he would serve as something.

This summer cannot be viewed as a total failure in New York if the Knicks fail to add another big name. They've snatched one of the big names off the market and now have a name and a face to put on the marquee at Madison Square Garden. And, that is a major victory for a franchise that could stand to have tons of cap space next summer if they let Eddy Curry walk and clear another $11 million off the books.

With Stoudemire in tow, along with Coach Mike D'Antoni's wide open offense and tons of money, the Knicks become a truly attractive free agent destination. This isn't to say that the Knicks still wouldn't look to make a deal for Arenas, but they certainly don't have to right now. And they don't need to unless they really, really want him.

By Michael Lee  |  July 6, 2010; 4:34 PM ET
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Amare was actually in Oyster Bay Long Island at the Dolan's annual 4th of July party. Amare was a no where near the Hamptons.

Posted by: lavar609 | July 6, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

back to the real point here...Let other teams lock up their futures with lengthy, overly expensive contracts. half of these guys will get injured or otherwise detour their careers and the fates of their clubs.

Please, Wiz, fill out the bench side of the roster with summer league guys. Let our guys get some minutes.

last year we were talking about how Flip likes to go 8-9 deep. That means Yi should get plenty of minutes, since he is fairly versatile as far as position playing:

(assuming Blatche can start the season)
Wall
Arenas
Young
Blatche
McGee

Kirk
Yi
Thornton
Booker

If Seraphin shows up, then I guess he gets in there somehow. Maybe good to let him gain a little Overseas exp while we see who is going to work their butt off this year and who is going to come through.

so what do you do about the other guys? They can wait for foul trouble and injuries and blowouts, so why pay them more than rookie minimum?

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Mcgee is maxed out under a squat rack somewhere as we type. I'd hate to see him show up for summer league with the exact same body and fitness level as he had at the end of last season, would be a clear sign the lightbulb has not gone off yet. Summerleague is great chance for him to get a headstart on playing with Wall and hard work put in there can definitely translate to some tangible production in the regular season. Even if it's only a handful of halfcourt alley-oops!


Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Agreed 95%. I think Wall will be good for Mcgee and they can play together a long long time (hopefully). McGee makes Wall look superb on the highlights of dish after dish for alley oops.

McGee learns to control his body on D so he can stay in the game longer and finish more A-O's.

It is win win. (except the team won't win too much this year)

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, we can make this Wiz franchise profitable just on the hope for the future!! Then we don't have to spend any big money on anyone. We can just put this subpar team on the floor each season--then point to the next season as the time to "make our move." I swear I thought Ted Leonsis was better than this. I thought he was better than maintaining the charade of or shadow of an NBA team simply to make money. I was wrong--dead wrong. He's a lot like frugal Abe was. Too much so. The curse of Les Boule lives on."

So, what would you have had Leonsis do? Go out and spend "max" money for a less-than-max talent? The real "max" players, like James, Wade, and maybe Bosh, were NEVER going to come here, because we don't have the supporting cast to make a legitimate championship run next year, and because DC lacks the mega-city allure and media opportunities available in, say, NYC. So we would have had to overpay to even have a chance to attract a Stoudemire, a Joe Johnson, a Boozer or even a David Lee. How has signing overpaid free agents worked for Dan Snyder? About as well as I expect that it will work for the Knicks, unless they are able to land a true "max" player to pair with the defensively-challenged, somewhat-fragile Stoudemire. The one "max" guy that we could have signed with the cap room that we had would not have been enough for this team to make a serious championship run. Leonsis is taking the right tack in building the team's talent base through the draft, and then later, if necessary, supplementing that talent through free agency.


Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 6, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Mike Lee.

Any Wiz fans trying to take satisfaction at other team's perceived demise if they can't get a top free agent should move on to the next team besides the Knicks to feel good about.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 6, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

AB can be a better player than Amare in a variety ways, and he's about $95,000,000 cheaper.

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Sign Outlaw!!!!

Wall
Gil
Outlaw
Blatche
Mcgee

Subs:
Kirk
Young
Thornton
Yi
Seraphin

Posted by: bszdnva | July 6, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Sign Outlaw!!!!

Wall
Gil
Outlaw
Blatche
Mcgee

Subs:
Kirk
Young
Thornton
Yi
Seraphin

Posted by: bszdnva | July 6, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Leonsis is taking the right tack in building the team's talent base through the draft, and then later, if necessary, supplementing that talent through free agency.


Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 6, 2010 5:21 PM

I think what some fans are afraid of are the pre-set excuses for being terrible over the next few years. Doesnt seem to mesh with having a $5mill/yr coach who wins 50 in his sleep, the #1 pick in the draft, and playing in the Eastern conf. If it looks like Seraphin and Booker are scrubs, legit fire&brimstone can rain on EGs head without waiting 3yrs to see if they develop.

The other thing is arent we doing the same as these other teams but just a few years down the line? We take on lousy Yi for no real reason other than he expires, eat Hinrich's $17mill which will come off the books, Gil's deal will be much more manageable 2yrs from now and on and on we suck the whole time with an aim for some other big FA? How is that exactly different than what's going on now?

I'd like to set the bar at the team showing signs of strong potential THIS year. As in player(s) other than AB looking like they could be all-stars one day. So playoff talk in 2011 is legit and not to be scoffed at as too early in a rebuild.

Winning supposedly makes for an attractive FA destination....if we are looking 2yrs down the road at FAs, then we need to start winning (6-7th seed?) in Wall's 2nd year right?

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

It's a game: take a team that looks like it will struggle and insist on raising expectations in spite of that. Then when the club fails to meet those expectations, you can spend the rest of the season blaming owner, management, or players, in the name of 'accountability'.

Calling for this guy to be fired or that one to be traded, enumerating 'mistakes' made at draft time, harping on the 'failure' to sign this FA or that...an opportunity for some to get their rocks off on high dudgeon.

Been there, done that. It's called "last season". Think we should skip it this year.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

This roster will win if there is astarting Center and if they sign a cheap swing man.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 6, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I guess I never believed Amare would sign with a team that doesn't play the uptempo style he and Nash thrive in. So once Phoenix plugged up the cash pipe and Dallas and Golden State were lukewarm to the idea, it had to be the Knicks.

Now that's he's there, it's in his best interest to try to lure at least one more star, preferably an outside scorer. Monta Ellis is nobody's idea of a great PG but he can score buckets in the right scheme. And David Lee would be more effective in Golden State than in, say, Cleveland or Boston.

But James or Wade? Hard to see that happening in NY. Easier to imagine LeBron in Miami or Chicago, with Bosh on the Bulls or Wade on the Heat. He could decide to stay in Cleveland. But for some reason, I don't see Wade leaving the Heat.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

It's really not that much to ask that a team adding 3 1st round picks, a 2nd rounder, and a couple FA acquisitions shows some sign of a pulse. And that young guys specifically targeted by management look like they may be players one day rather than abject duds out of the gate like Pech.

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

It's really not that much to ask that a team adding 3 1st round picks, a 2nd rounder, and a couple FA acquisitions shows some sign of a pulse. And that young guys specifically targeted by management look like they may be players one day rather than abject duds out of the gate like Pech.

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

It is if the teams name are either the Clippers or the Wizards.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I think the Wiz will be better than most think. The big question is can Flip learn to coach. This team is young and athletic.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 6, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Arenas is our only all star. So let's give the guy a chance to prove the "analysts" wrong. That backcourt could work out well. If the Wiz get 42 wins and make the postseason then Washington automatically becomes a FA destination for maybe a Carmelo next year. I'd like to see one more trade go down because the roster right seems incomplete as of right now. Seraphin better be a beast. If Damion James ends up a sleeper in the draft then I'm gonna be pissed.

Posted by: Akiraw | July 6, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

i think it would be stupid to trade arenas to the knicks. i also think the players we already have on board (assuming wall signs) have a chance to make the playoffs next season. that's even WITH saunders, whose coaching i don't like at all. give us a LEADER, a couple position coaches and a strategic game planner and i THINK we have a decent team that will grow on each other as they discover who they really are... just saying.

Posted by: dcjazzman | July 6, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

That backcourt could work out well
Posted by: Akiraw

I agree. The bucks made the playoffs with an explosive point guard in jennings, a nice shooter in salmons, and an athletic big man in bogut. If Andre Blatche can build off of his all star play at the end of last season along with gil and wall then the wiz can make the playoffs. 41 wins should be enough in the east.

Posted by: nfcBEaST | July 6, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

The bucks made the playoffs with an explosive point guard in jennings, a nice shooter in salmons, and an athletic big man in bogut.


The Bucks made the playoffs because they are one of the best defensive teams. The Wizards still have a bunch of players that will try to outscore opponents at the end of games and fall short.

Posted by: djnnnou | July 7, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Until the Knicks can get their hands on a PG who can run the pick and roll (and who shoots well enough that defenses don't ignore him and collapse on the rolling big man when he does) Amare's going to have a hard time matching his Phoenix numbers. For all of this talk about the Knicks being uptempo under D'Antoni, it's not like they were an offensive juggernaut. They were tied for 10th in the NBA in scoring last season at 102 per game and tied for 21st in FG%. Sure, they ran a lot, but because they didn't have anyone on the floor who could actually run an offense, they took a lot of quick bad shots. Don't see how Amare's arrival will change that, in and of itself. And it's been pretty well shown that when he's not getting his touches and making noise offensively, he takes the night off in the other phases of the game.

Things could get very ugly in NYC.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Gil is the only proven scorer on this roster. He's a lock to average 23 ppg because he'll be able to create space against two guards and he'll be the trusted option in a critical situation... like it or not, people. Look for him to re-establish his rep as a volume scorer and be a decent trade asset come the deadline, because really, who else has the precedence to make clutch shots in tight games? Exactly....nobody.

Posted by: mjsciann1 | July 7, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

It seems that a lot of people posting on here are in the mind that Blatche is a promised land player. Why? People are up here talking about his all-star play at the end of the year but not one meaningful game was won.
We have Wall who is the real deal. We owe Gilbert big money and aint nobody takin him. They are in my opinion the makings of Isiah and Joe Dumars with the right game plan. Those two will allow Yi and McGee to not take a dribble all year and be effective players.
Blatche on the other hand is not the finisher at the rim that McGee is or the pure shooter that Yi has shown himself to be.
I don't care what anyone says but we just need to pray that J. Howard heals, signs cheaply and has a positive attitude toward the team. God knows...No Young! No Blatche! No Thornton!
Wall
Arenas
J.Howard
Yi
McGee...Win this year.

Posted by: AscotAmos | July 7, 2010 1:54 AM | Report abuse

"Gil is the only proven scorer on this roster. He's a lock to average 23 ppg because he'll be able to create space against two guards and he'll be the trusted option in a critical situation... like it or not, people. Look for him to re-establish his rep as a volume scorer and be a decent trade asset come the deadline, because really, who else has the precedence to make clutch shots in tight games? Exactly....nobody."

Yeah and Arenas will take 20 to 25 shots a game to get that too. He's an all about me player who doesn't work well without the ball, so how's he going to create anything? The best thing thay could do is move him, it doesn't matter if you get anything in return, just rid the team of the last of the bad air and start fresh..

Posted by: slimjim21787 | July 7, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Arenas is a great value both on court and market.He is not a trash one has to kick for noting.Look these creazy world JJ sign maximum money,AS sign 100 milion,if healthy Arenas can play ball and show his value.The main issue is his head,hopefully he will weak up and do the right thinh to himself.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 7, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Though it hasn't happened yet, the reports of players aligning themselves with other players to produce nucleus' of championship teams; (reports on Bosh, James, Wade, Stoudemire)then their activities and preferences are taking a larger role in personnel formation than I recall. Curious to see if Bosh and James wind up playing together.

Posted by: midlevex_ | July 7, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

The wizards should go after david lee!

Posted by: bobilly2 | July 7, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Two days ago, I attributed a comment made for Ivan Carter to Mike Wise. Mike, I don't know if you check in here from time to time or not at, but in case you do or are aware, my apologies.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 7, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Ted has told us he is planning on trying to win the OKC way which means...

3 years in the lottery so that is why Ernie went out and got Yi and Kirk because he knows these guys suck.

Wizard fans show Ted we are willing to wait like he is and don't buy any season tickets.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 7, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I guess because of his latest actions off the court, everyone seems to be IMO over-concerned about GA. The bottom line is going to be how JW plays. Whether it is with or without GA. If JW is a bust, then what???
Let's give GA a chance to redeem himself before we write him off. A healthy player with his offensive skill level that has something to prove can or may put up career numbers...The more pressing need is in the post. How will our young big men develop or will they??? This includes old and new. In other words, hire someone to work with these guys in the post...

Posted by: TEliasB | July 7, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

let`s see..NY paying a guy with uninsured
knees...does that sound familiar?

Posted by: blazerguy234 | July 7, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

"The bucks made the playoffs with an explosive point guard in jennings, a nice shooter in salmons, and an athletic big man in bogut."

Couple thoughts: I'm wondering if Jennings doesn't take a step back this season. He's so entertaining to watch that people don't notice the flaws in his game, such as that 37% on FGs. He was actually a shade better from 3 points than overall. Salmons was much better in his stint with the Bucks, so if he can maintain that pace, the team should be all right.


Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Yep, go ahead and trade Gilbert and see what it gets us. A team of young unproven players with no proven scorer and another year of sub par performances. I am going to wait before my friend and I decide whether or not to reup for season tickets.

I hope they do trade Gilbert. Maybe he will wind up in a place that is willing to put his past behind him,let him start anew and appreciate him. I am sick of the two faced posters here who wants him gone. It's like the old saying, Laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone. I tell you what, I am a Wiz fan no doubt but if they trade Gil, I will root for him and whomever he plays with EVERY time they play the Wiz.

Posted by: ivyleague | July 7, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"Those two will allow Yi and McGee to not take a dribble all year and be effective players.
Blatche on the other hand is not the finisher at the rim that McGee is or the pure shooter that Yi has shown himself to be."

82games.com tracks every shot a player takes.....Yi shoots under 40% at every range other than dunks and inside shots.

Jump 38.9%
Close 36.7%
Dunk 83.3%
Tips 39.1%
Inside 46.0%

dont even want to check what Mcgee does, cant be pretty.

Not surprisingly, the much maligned AB's FG numbers are much better.

Jump 40.6%
Close 56.2%
Dunk 96.2%
Tips 60.0%
Inside 62.3%

Who knows, maybe Yi finally has his breakout year and EG is a genius. But as it stands up to this point in his career, he's an ok 3 masquerading as a 4 and may end up pushing Thornton moreso than AB for minutes.

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Cannot understand the logic suggested here, that the Knicks would take even part of Arenas's contract with the health and character issues to say nothing of his struggles on defense and reluctant role as a team player. Much better to assume that Arenas's ego will propell him to some level of achivement with the Wiz this year and allow him to be traded next year as more of known quantity.

Posted by: andypitt | July 7, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Yeah and Arenas will take 20 to 25 shots a game to get that too. He's an all about me player who doesn't work well without the ball, so how's he going to create anything? The best thing thay could do is move him, it doesn't matter if you get anything in return, just rid the team of the last of the bad air and start fresh..

Posted by: slimjim21787 | July 7, 2010 7:04 AM

Do you have a clue what it takes to win an NBA championship. Take a look at the FA market and what teams are doing and the dynamics of it.

If you understand that, then come again and tell my why you would give Gilbert up for nothing???

Oh, cause he is so bad and a truly selfish player/individual. Jolly sakes good fellow, if that were true, he would have long been gone. The League and most certainly the court system would have made sure his career was done last year.

And you say start fresh. Starting fresh has nothing to do with winning championships, but the right mix of star players have everything to do with winning championships.

And like it or not and you don't, but Gilbert is the closest thing to a star on this team legitimately.

John Wall they say is a can't miss, that makes two.

You remind me of the folks that said David should retire when they signed Tim. LOL

There would be a reason to get rid of Gilbert for nothing, but that reason hasn't materialized just yet.

So until it does SlimJim, hold on to your Gilbert paraphenalia, there still might be some real value in what you think is worthless.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 7, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Flip has to put the reigns on Gil though, the whole "volume scorer" portion of his career needs to be closed for this team to have a chance to grow and develop. Even in the best of times, we were winning games by hoping Gil could score the last few points of the night and eke out a 2pt victory. He often did. But that mentality is long gone and cant come back. Time to run a real offense from the inside-out and with Wall's penetrating making life easier for everyone. Gil can and will get his, but it has to be within the flow or it will stifle the team.

Posted by: divi3 | July 7, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Wade and Bosh in Miami...

Posted by: merajc86 | July 7, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: andypitt

Cannot understand the logic suggested here, that the Knicks would take even part of Arenas's contract with the health and character issues to say nothing of his struggles on defense and reluctant role as a team player.

They took Stoudemire, didn't they? Not suggesting that they're salivating for Arenas but STAT certainly has all the issues you listed.

Posted by: nmik | July 7, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I don't buy into this Hinrich as a mentor for Wall nonsense. What's Cassell doing on the coaching staff if not to mentor and work w/ the young guards? Also, McGee's lost on the defensive end of the floor and needs a coach pretty much dedicated to his development.
He obviously has physical tools, but is he a starting NBA center capable of matching up w/ the elite PFs or centers in the league? Not even close.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 7, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Who really cares?
We have heard/seen crude like this in the past.
Does anyone really want to play in DC?
Seems like we see this all the time with DC teams.
First in War, First in Peace and still apparently Last in whatever 'major' league sport you are discussing.

Posted by: mrcox54 | July 7, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Michael, WTF kind of post is this? There is so much more with this team that needs to be analyzed and you give of this BS. I've yet to read anything on why the Wizard felt this french guy was so special that they had to take on a $17 million worth of salary to get him. I've yet to read anything about why EG felt it was OK to throw away last year's high lottery pick. If you wanted to write about Gil why don't you ask why the Wizards handled the Gil gun situation so badly earlier this year we they had to know that after all the hype went away there was better than a 50/50 chance that wouldn't be able to void Gil's deal and get rid of him. They fed into to hype by so publicly taking down pictures, not selling his jersey and having Jamison make that speech which I felt threw Gil under the Verizon Center. Instead we get this BS about the Wiz maybe able to trade Gil maybe sometime in the future because the Knicks just signed Stoudminer. This is the first time I ever felt like this, but please go and get answers to what Wizards fans really want to know about.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | July 7, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh are teaming up together on the Miami Heat, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.



Wade

Bosh

ESPN's Shelley Smith also reported the pending move through independent sources.

Whether LeBron James, the kingpin of this summer's celebrated free agent class, will join them remains to be seen. James will announce his decision Thursday night at 9 ET during a one-hour special on ESPN.

Wade and Bosh are expected to announce their decision on Wednesday, according to the source.

Both players are expected to get the maximum amount allowable under the league's collective bargaining agreement, though the addition of James could change the players' salaries. Contracts cannot be officially signed until July 8.

It was not immediately clear whether Bosh will sign with Miami outright or join the Heat through a sign-and-trade deal. Bosh could earn $125 million over six years via sign-and-trade, but only $96 million over five without it.

"Either way, he's definitely going to Miami," the source said.

James or not, the Heat could emerge as one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference with Wade and Bosh aboard. Wade, who led the Heat to the NBA title in 2006, is re-signing with the club, while Bosh will leave the Toronto Raptors after seven years with the club.

Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo, in a text message to The Associated Press on Wednesday morning, said "I have nothing official from anyone."

Chris Broussard is an NBA writer for ESPN The Magazine. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Posted by: suliman007_4 | July 7, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I actually think the exact opposite could happen to what Lee is saying. To me this has oppened up a huge opportunity for the Wiz to deal Arenas to the Knicks. It seems Bosh is going to Miami, which almost guarentees that Wade will return to play with him. I just don't see Lebron leaving Cleveland, I just really don't see him destroying his hometown city like that. Lebron does not need NYC, NYC needs Lebron... Let's not forget that folks. Lebron Going to NY will not expand his name or anything, it is already as global as it can get.

So if the knicks miss out on Wade and Lebron they could be desperate to add a G to their roster to team up with Amare. In comes Gilbert. The Wizards walk away with the Knicks 2010 1st round draft pick or a decent player on their roster and take the Eddy Curry contract of the Knicks hands. There ya go! Deal done.

Wiz likely end up with 2 draft picks in the top 20 of the NBA draft again next year to continue the rebuild. If gilbert is gone this team is definitely picking in the lottery again and the Knicks could be, depending on Gilbert and other pieces they get. At worst The Wizards would get the Knicks 1st round pick and it would be around #15 or #16.

Posted by: avbanig | July 7, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

James or not, the Heat could emerge as one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference with Wade and Bosh aboard. Wade, who led the Heat to the NBA title in 2006, is re-signing with the club, while Bosh will leave the Toronto Raptors after seven years with the club.

I'd hold off on engraving the trophy. It takes more than 2 guys to win a title. Unless Wade and Bosh both sign at deep discounts (highly unlikely), it's going to take around $34 mill to sign both of them. That'll give them 4 players under contract (including Chalmers and Beasley), about $40 mill in committed salary, and approximately $15 mil in cap space to sign 10 or 11 more players, and no Bird rights to allow them to exceed the cap. Hard to see how they're going to fill out a championship roster with a bunch of guys signed to just above minimum.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"To me this has oppened up a huge opportunity for the Wiz to deal Arenas to the Knicks."

Word is that NY is going hard after Ray Felton or Luke Ridnour.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Plus Chris Duhon left the Knicks for Orlando.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"and no Bird rights to allow them to exceed the cap."

Did they renounce Wade's Bird rights? I don't remember hearing that they have.

Posted by: psps23 | July 7, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Ted has told us he is planning on trying to win the OKC way which means...

3 years in the lottery so that is why Ernie went out and got Yi and Kirk because he knows these guys suck.

Wizard fans show Ted we are willing to wait like he is and don't buy any season tickets.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 7, 2010 8:10 AM


I want to take this time to apologize to DC_Mann88 for I have crucified him as the anti-Christ and all other sort despicable things, the poster I least like to read, I'm sorry DC_Man. It's not that the above is not true, its just that you have been surpassed in my eyes by BulletsSpam78.

BulletsSpam78, you got your wish when Abe kicked the bucket, but you just can't be happy with a new start and a new owner. You are asking Wizards fans to boycott Leonsis and he hasn't even had a season to disappoint you!

GIVE IT A BREAK!!!!!

Maybe Ted will surprise you and build a team and an organization that will make even you proud, if you give him a chance first.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 7, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that Wade and Bosh will sign with Miami.

They better add a bunch of other players because i am not seeing that as a great team ATM.

Chicago looks like they are going to get hosed.

HAHA

Posted by: dcinmd1 | July 7, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"If you understand that, then come again and tell my why you would give Gilbert up for nothing???"

If that happened, it would be to get rid of that contract. Basically the same thing they did with Jamison (who went for the last pick of the first round plus reserve Al Thornton and two guys who'd never play here).

"Oh, cause he is so bad and a truly selfish player/individual. Jolly sakes good fellow, if that were true, he would have long been gone."

Nobody thinks Gilbert is a bad player, and if you eliminate the selfish players from the NBA, you'd have about six guys on every roster. The problem with Gilbert is 1) his uncertain health, 2) his crappy personal conduct record, and 3) his contract.

"The League and most certainly the court system would have made sure his career was done last year"

The Courts never really had much they could do to Gilbert, and the League did what it could. The criminality of Arenas' offense was never much. The stupidity, however, was legendary.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"Chicago looks like they are going to get hosed."

So you don't think James will sign there. Although with Derrick Rose and Noah, it ain't a bad situation for him.

At the beginning I thought he'd stay in Cleveland. Now I'm not so sure.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

The Knicks will not go after Arenas and his $80 million and unproven knee even if they don't land another big free agent this summer.

Next years crop of free agents are almost as impressive as this years with C. Anthony and T. Parker and others and the Knicks will need to have some cap room to go after them.

If you are the Knicks, who would you want
playing along side Amare, Arenas or Parker? Parker is a perfect Pick and roll player to compliment Amare so don't get your hopes up to high in your effort to rid this franchise of Arenas.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 7, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"Did they renounce Wade's Bird rights? I don't remember hearing that they have. "

Do you remember reading what I wrote before responding? Clearly not.

I was quite clearly talking about what they'd have left to fill out the roster after they re-signed Wade (and signed Bosh).

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

What an egomaniac Lebron is. I always thought this about him but he is now simply off the charts. An hour long show on ESPN to announce his flippin' decision??? It takes like...2 seconds. Just make a statement to the media and be done with it.

Also, if he is leaving Cleveland - to announce this on television is like a slap in the face to their fans. Could be a riot.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 7, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Here is a piece written about Miller on NY Post:

➤ Warning to the Knicks: “Mike Miller’s career as a scorer is over,” concludes column contributor Pete Hoffman. “He can still do other things but scoring is a mentality and he’s lost that. We’ve seen it happen before where players digress as scorers (Wilt, Ralph Sampson, Mike Bibby and Steve Francis) for whatever reason.”

I concur. I don’t care what Miller’s percentage (40) was from three last year; he averaged under 10 points. When he joined Minny Ha Ha the T’Wolves needed a shooter. So what did he do? Passed up a ton of open shots. Maybe it was his way of protesting an offense designed nearly exclusively to get off on-the-block Al Jefferson.

Yes, Miller can shoot. Yes, he can pass. Yes, he’s a terrific defensive rebounder as an off guard. On the other hand, he can’t defend and is always hurt. Not that it stops him from playing, but it’s often at the expense of his team.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/wade_defection_afcdDaAa3U6jVREGqdhhPK/1#ixzz0t0X4xMI7

Posted by: sagaliba | July 7, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The Bosh/Heat signing makes Ernie look like a genius; he made lopsided deals with two teams that had false hope about acquiring top free agents (NJ & Chicago)

Posted by: bernard_thompson | July 7, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

It's really not that much to ask that a team adding 3 1st round picks, a 2nd rounder, and a couple FA acquisitions shows some sign of a pulse. And that young guys specifically targeted by management look like they may be players one day rather than abject duds out of the gate like Pech.

Posted by: divi3

I guess it depends on what you mean by 'sign of a pulse' or 'look like players.'

McGee showed signs early on of looking like a player. He flashed the requisite potential. But he really didn't help our overall win total. And it looks like he's still a year or two away from being a consistent higher level contributor. Safe to say that Seraphin will take some time to develop as well, so what does he need to show you year one (assuming he's here)? Enough flashes of raw athleticism like McGee? Or are you expecting more?

What do you expect from Yi? More importantly, what do you think they expect from Yi? I'm sure they're hoping for a Blatchian jump in performance, but do you think they're expecting that's going to happen? Or do you think they looked at him and said "Well, he's a better player than Ross as-is, still has some potential, and is essentially free, so let's give it a shot. If he still sucks, we cut him loose next year." It's not like they introduced him as a franchise cornerstone.

It's possible, some like me would say likely, that the '10/'11 Wizards could show the energy, enthusiasm and flashes of potential that we are all hoping for, and still only win 25-30 games. Just based on relative youth and an incomplete roster if nothing else.

So while I think it is right and fair to keep holding the organization accountable for improvement, personally I don't think it's fair to have high expectations of .500 or playoffs or that Seraphin will show signs of being the next Karl Malone, in what is essentially year one after the blow-up. EG's job might hang in the balance this season, but it will be on his body of work with the Wiz, not just based on what 4 picks or two traded players show in one year.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Do you remember reading what I wrote before responding? Clearly not."

Easy. Take a minute to calm your nerves. I was legitimately asking if they had.

So if they haven't, doesn't that still leave open the possibility of Miami filling out their roster with Bosh + other free agents, then using Wade's Bird rights to exceed the cap and resign Wade?

Posted by: psps23 | July 7, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"So if they haven't, doesn't that still leave open the possibility of Miami filling out their roster with Bosh + other free agents, then using Wade's Bird rights to exceed the cap and resign Wade?"

No.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

i just heard durant signed a 5 yr extension with OKC via his twitter acct. anybody else in on this?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Did they renounce Wade's Bird rights? I don't remember hearing that they have. "

Do you remember reading what I wrote before responding? Clearly not.

I was quite clearly talking about what they'd have left to fill out the roster after they re-signed Wade (and signed Bosh).

Posted by: kalo_rama

What they might be able to do (aside from any proposed sign-and-trade that allows them to get rid of Beasley's $4M, is hold off on re-signing Wade right away. I'm sure there's a limit as to how far they want to go into LuxTax land by doing that, but it does give them more flexiblity. Plus I would imagine there will be some guys (like maybe Haslem) who are willing to sign for a little less to help be a part of a contender.

The question will be what kind of guys they go after to surround those two with.

Posted by: ts35 | July 7, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

HAHA, LeBrouhaha is going to do what he likes doing live on TV, make a spectacle of himself. I really shouldn't hate this guy so much for what he is, after all he just does a better job of it than fake heroes like Kevin Garnett.

He already knows he is the center of the universe not just in Cleveland, but in the whole of Ohio. He's got signs up everywhere honoring him, he's got businesses that depend on him for their livelihood. He's got the whole city of Cleveland hoping he stays around to prevent it from deteriorating badly like Detroit.
Heck, he's a whole industry by himself!

Good luck to everyone waiting for his word! Hope you get what you deserve.

Posted by: rickgonz | July 7, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

What an egomaniac Lebron is. I always thought this about him but he is now simply off the charts. An hour long show on ESPN to announce his flippin' decision??? It takes like...2 seconds. Just make a statement to the media and be done with it.

Also, if he is leaving Cleveland - to announce this on television is like a slap in the face to their fans. Could be a riot.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 7, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

the fact that espn prolly has nothing worth watching lined up for that night coupled with this FA season being the most hyped FA season of all time is reason enough for ESPN to do a special on it. I'm sorry, is Lebron not the top FA this summer? Everyone knows this guy has a big ego, but this is business. This is marketing. This is about $ not basketball. As much as you wanna rag on Tha Kang for appearing on an hour long FA special, shouldn't you pick your bone with ESPN, for giving LBJ this type of forum. I mean Lord knows nobody cares...right.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

the fact that espn prolly has nothing worth watching lined up for that night coupled with this FA season being the most hyped FA season of all time is reason enough for ESPN to do a special on it. I'm sorry, is Lebron not the top FA this summer? Everyone knows this guy has a big ego, but this is business. This is marketing. This is about $ not basketball. As much as you wanna rag on Tha Kang for appearing on an hour long FA special, shouldn't you pick your bone with ESPN, for giving LBJ this type of forum. I mean Lord knows nobody cares...right.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

I blame both Lebron (he isn't a "King") and ESPN. But I understand Lebron's peeps went to ESPN and asked for the show - not the other way around. And 1 hour? Please.

And at this point - just get it over with -who really flippin' cares anymore?

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 7, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

This actually increases the chance of Arenas going to the Knicks. Amare LIVED off Nash. He will need a point guard in order for him to be effective. Contrary to conventional wisdom, Arenas in the little bit that he has played in the past 2 years, has shown that he can distribute off the dribble. One thing I do expect is that Arenas will be gone by the trade deadline.

Posted by: frankjomama | July 7, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I blame both Lebron (he isn't a "King") and ESPN. But I understand Lebron's peeps went to ESPN and asked for the show - not the other way around. And 1 hour? Please.

And at this point - just get it over with -who really flippin' cares anymore?


Posted by: Lisa_R | July 7, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

yeah, but if yours and my "peeps"asked them for an hour segment, they may not find it worth their time or lost ad revenue. It's in their best interest to have the show. it will prolly chronicle all of the FA news up to the minute and the bottom line, so what? I'd call him an egomaniac if he bought infomercial time like snyder and that awful Redskins show with Larry Michael, but doing a mutually beneficial segment with a network that is covering FA and will want to interview Tha Kang is good business.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"What they might be able to do (aside from any proposed sign-and-trade that allows them to get rid of Beasley's $4M, is hold off on re-signing Wade right away. I'm sure there's a limit as to how far they want to go into LuxTax land by doing that, but it does give them more flexiblity."

No it doesn't. Just the opposite, actually.

If a team has a player who's an unrestricted FA, that player counts against their cap at 150% of his ending contract year salary until the team either (A) signs him to a new deal or (B) renounces his rights. Wade made $15.8 mill last season, so until they sign him to a new deal (or cut him loose), he'll count against the Heat's cap at just under $24 mill. So not only does holding off on re-signing him not give them flexibility, it actually gives them less less cap space than they'd have if they gave him a max deal, which would start just under $17 mill.

It's called a cap hold and it was designed specifically to prevent teams from doing the very thing you're suggesting they can do. And, in a nicely ironic twist, it was implemented following the ill-fated Juwan Howard/Miami Heat signing, when they tried to circumvent the cap in just such a way by holding off on re-signing Mourning until after giving Howard a $100 mill deal.

"Plus I would imagine there will be some guys (like maybe Haslem) who are willing to sign for a little less to help be a part of a contender."

That's one down. Ten more to go. And they're going to have to take more than a "little less" given how little money (relatively speaking) the Heat will have to spend.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"The question will be what kind of guys they go after to surround those two with."

Which was, in fact, the very question I was commenting upon in the first place.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Yeah and Arenas will take 20 to 25 shots a game to get that too. He's an all about me player who doesn't work well without the ball, so how's he going to create anything? The best thing thay could do is move him, it doesn't matter if you get anything in return, just rid the team of the last of the bad air and start fresh..

Posted by: slimjim21787 | July 7, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

ESPN Classic was airing the best games of this year's free agent class. Two of the games they showed for LeBron was from the 2006 playoff series against the Wizards. I think as difficult as they were to watch, I realized two things. First, that Arenas was really good during pressure situations at the end of games, which is something we desperately need. Second, he was really effective without dominating the ball like he did this year. I think he dominated the ball this year as a product of Flip's system and could the proper pass/score ratio. With Wall distributing, I think Arenas can again be effective without the ball.

Posted by: JustinChuck189 | July 7, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Just to clarify:

If a team has a player who's an unrestricted FA and that team holds the player's Bird rights, that player counts against their cap at 150% of his ending contract year salary

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360721

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

My dreams of bringing Kevin Durant home in 2011 have been shattered...

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

My dreams of bringing Kevin Durant home in 2011 have been shattered...

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse
coulda guessed it, he's got a MOB out there in OKC. A returning playoff roster that took the 2 time champs to the mattresses. Look for Harden to step up this year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The sooner Zero is moved out and on, the better for Wall. Amare is not a winner, he's a slacker...same for Beasley so don't bring him here. Somebody get World Wide Wes on the phone...

Posted by: kahlua87 | July 7, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

hard to make it to the L being a slacker.Even harder to convince someone to give you $100mil for being a slacker.BTW anybody seen Marty McFly?????????

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 7, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The Post has a real neat list of free agents. I started going through it yesterday and was astounded at the quality at a cheap price that is potentially available. Of course once the big names go, the second tier guys will be in real demand, then all the rest of the $5M-$8M guys will be signed up. Then on down to the vet minimum type players.

Have a look at it guys, and see if you can find a hidden gem or two for Grunfeld and Leonsis.
Hoopsworld has one too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/sports/nbafreeagents2010/index.html

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16181

Posted by: rickgonz | July 7, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Think about it, In order for GA to become a good trade to anyone he has to have a great season with the wizards, If he does then the question becomes if he is back to old form, and playing well with the wizards and John Wall do you then trade him? Lets say the wizards finish .500 or better. Do you trade anyone? Or do you use cap space to acquire other pieces?

Posted by: ged0386 | July 7, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

ability and breaks win basketball games. i think the guy who wants to trade arenas for the knicks #1 and eddy curry is out of his mind. eddy curry? who cares about the contract. curry has done ZERO in his career. i've criticized gilbert a LOT, but he CAN produce and we need to give him this year to see if he's truly learned his lessons in maturity. i think he understands life and the business a whole lot better now. Go Bullets!

Posted by: dcjazzman | July 7, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Wizards by Position:

Point Guards: John Wall – Kirk Hinrich

Two Guards: Arenas – Shaun Livingston – Nick Young

Small Forwards: Al Thornton -- Trevor Booker

Power Forwards: Andre Blatche – Yi -- Kevin Seraphin

Centers: McGee -- Hamady Ndiaye


We could use: Luis Scola/David Lee/Carlos Boozer/Brendon Haywood/Elton Brand.

Sign-and-Trade: Mike Miller, Randy Foy, Josh Howard

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 7, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Unless Nash is going with Amare, he will be a monumental flop for them as he can't do much of anything great unless he is given the ball WHILE going to the hoop

Posted by: Bious | July 7, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

why is their so much hype for a so proclaimed king with no crown's. he has now become the Anna Kournikova of basket ball or Michelle Wie either way this guy has not won anything but get's so much attention. Pleeeeese! wake me up when it's over. now maybe cleveland fan's want act so proud when we come to town. they have become disrespectful nowaday's when the prince bounce to ny they will learn to respect us again.

Posted by: dakel76 | July 7, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry excuse my spelling wont.

Posted by: dakel76 | July 7, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

who cares..........still a ghetto sport
with ghetto characters tattooed like
street people......hats on backward
and XXL jerseys..........need to get
educated and married and raise their
multiple kids...............good luck

Posted by: JoeMc1 | July 7, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Truth hurts.....sorry my brothers......

Posted by: JoeMc1 | July 7, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

of course i want to be the first to say when i made the case for us to draft magnum rolle who i thought could be a good pro prospect was shot down by i wont say their name's on this forum u no who u are. he is making me look like a genius in summer league. yall said he was'nt worth drafting but the pacers thought he was and that's why they drafted him 48th in the draft. he is making them look good to the wizard's also must have liked him to because he was the only player they had come in twice.

Posted by: dakel76 | July 7, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Ernie, please Get David Lee right now. Sign and Trade Randy Foy/Josh Howard. NY needs good guards and this would allow them to get something for Lee before he is gone. (and/or get Lous Scola out of Houston). Our roster is too weak right now for even a 30/52 team let alone hoping to win 42 games. Right now we are looking like a 25 game team. We need more Scoring, Defense, Rebounds, and Pure Ballers.

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 7, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I thoght lee signed with the t-wolves already?

Posted by: dakel76 | July 7, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

why is their so much hype for a so proclaimed king with no crown's. he has now become the Anna Kournikova of basket ball or Michelle Wie either way this guy has not won anything but get's so much attention. Pleeeeese! wake me up when it's over. now maybe cleveland fan's want act so proud when we come to town. they have become disrespectful nowaday's when the prince bounce to ny they will learn to respect us again.

Posted by: dakel76 | July 7, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse
why not Karl Malone,John Stockton, Charles barkley,Dominique Wilkins or Jordan after his first 7 yrs? None of those cats won chips either. Why compare the reigning 2time MVP to people who play individual sports not team sports? And why women instead of men?He gets so much attention because he's one of 3 players in league history to avg 27+, 7+, and 7+. He's also one of if not the most talented and exciting players in the game. Get into his ability to generate money and you'll see why people want to be attatched to him.


I dig that people don't like Lebron personally, but how do you deny his ability to play basketball? How do you try to tear down a "fairly decent" body of work (still in progress) because he hasn't been on the best TEAM at the end of the year. The hating is truly amazing.

I guess DJ Mbenga deserves the attention since he's a back to back NBA champ huh?Tell me a free agency move that's as big a deal to the league than this one. Oh yeah and the Lebronathon tonight at 9 is donating whatever money generated by the show to charity. With all the attention payed to athletes doing the wrong thing, i think tha homie deserves credit for NEVER being mixed in that BS and always being involved in community service.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 8, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dakel76 | July 7, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Guess nobody minds tha attention being showered on Bosh,Stoudemire, and Boozer. No crowns on their heads either.The reason Bron gets and hour long special is because A)people want to see it B)he's kinda like a big deal c)what else is ESPN gonna show "KOBE Doin Work" ?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 8, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

For one thing my feeling's about the attention he's getting is directed toward's the media and not Lebron. and i said those two because people have alway's associated them two with getting so much hype with out winning a thing. they get more attention in their sport than those who win multiple titles. that's why i chose them. and you talk about the attention that the other's are getting they barely even mention the other player's you named and the only reason they do is because it has some affect what Lebron may or may not do trust that.

Posted by: dakel76 | July 8, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

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