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JaVale McGee holding on, Kevin Seraphin gets cut


Don't leave me out just yet. (REUTERS/Laura Rauch)


When I spoke to JaVale McGee earlier this week, I joked with him that he might have to find a home in Las Vegas, since he always ends up spending more than time there than he plans each summer.

"No, no, no, don't say that," McGee said. "I don't want to be here that long. Vegas is way too hot. Too much going on."

McGee's time in Sin City will come to end on Saturday, when he participates in the Team USA Showcase at 10 p.m. at Thomas & Mack Center on the campus of UNLV. The team scrimmage will air on ESPN2. McGee will be on the blue team, with Georgetown's Jeff Green, Baltimore native Rudy Gay, Chauncey Billups, Brook Lopez, Kevin Love, O.J. Mayo, Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook and Tyreke Evans, although Evans will be out with an ankle injury. The white team will feature Kevin Durant, Tyson Chandler, Stephen Curry, Eric Gordon, Danny Granger, Andre Iguodala, Lamar Odom, Derrick Rose and Gerald Wallace.

McGee was a last-minute addition to try out for USA Basketball, as it prepares for the FIBA world championships in Turkey from Aug. 28 to Sept. 12. He has not been overwhelmed by the experience, and still has out an outside shot at making the team, given the limited options at center. ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan listed McGee as "almost on the bubble" while breaking down the possible final 12-man roster. NBA.com's John Schuhmann wrote about the center quandary for Team USA, and explained how the team has played mostly small ball this week, rather than depend on the three centers - McGee, Chandler and Lopez.

Chandler is the most experienced of the trio, and has already earned some "equity" -- as USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo likes to call it -- having played on the gold medal-winning FIBA Americas championships in 2007. Chandler was admittedly out of shape at the beginning of camp, but he appears to be coming on of late, according to several reports.

Chandler told reporters in Las Vegas that he likes what he sees out of McGee, who has been extremely active in scrimmages with a select group of college all-stars. "He's an incredible talent," Chandler said of McGee. "I think he has an incredible upside for a young player. He reminds me a lot of myself at a young age. And this is going to be huge for him. I wasn't able to play at this level in my first couple of years in the league, to be able to learn from other guys and experience this. I feel like he's going to be able to take a lot from this."


I'm trying to get healthy so I can do this in a Wizards uniform next season. (AP Photo/David Vincent)

Colangelo told Schuhmann that he plans to cut the roster down from 19 to 14 or 15 players for the next phase of training, which begins Aug. 9 in New York. The three centers are expected to be there, Colangelo said. "We want to bring our bigs with us New York," he said. "Probably. Don't hold me to it, but that's what we're thinking."

And with the team already losing Amare Stoudemire to insurance problems, Robin Lopez to a back injury and David Lee to a finger injury, the team probably doesn't want to get rid of its height just yet.

While McGee hopes to hang on, Wizards first-round pick Kevin Seraphin was cut from the French team earlier this week. His release was hardly a surprise since he has yet to fully recover from a knee injury suffered in May. Seraphin, whom the Wizards obtained in a pre-draft deal with Chicago, was in town for summer league minicamp but was limited to light workouts and spectator duty while he still works out a buyout agreement from his team, Cholet, and recovers from his knee injury.

Seraphin had no intention of playing for France this summer and was recently quoted in the French publication, LeFigaro.fr, saying that his "priority is the NBA." He also said, through a loose Google translation, that is his plan was "to integrate myself into the team next year, I can not take risks knowing that I am not 100 percent right now."

The United States will play France in an exhibition on Aug. 15 at Madison Square Garden. It will interesting to see if any Wizards are around for that game.

By Michael Lee  |  July 24, 2010; 5:23 PM ET
Categories:  JaVale McGee , Kevin Seraphin  
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Javalay looks a little bigger and bulked up from last year.........that can only mean better things.

Posted by: OG_Barno | July 24, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse


I must admit it's a bit unnerving to hear Chandler describe McGee as younger version of himself, given Chandler's fair-to-middlin' play, but I'll just chalk that up to self-aggrandizing, wishful thinking on Chandler's part!

The sky is the limit for JaVale and we, the Wizards faithful, get to reap the benefits of his talent. When he and Blatche had none other than Kevin Garnett hearing footsteps, stumbling in the paint and generally discombobulated last year in Boston, it was a snapshot of things to come for our Wizards. Now we read that the future is getting closer to the present. The engine of Wizards bandwagon is revving higher. Hear it?

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 24, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

From the couple of clips I've seen, Seraphin reminds me of a slightly more mobile/athletic Rick Mahorn. If he plays with any sort of mean streak and can stay on the court for now, he could provide some missing ingredients for this team immediately and almost certainly in years to come. Any comparisons to Kwame are ridiculous at this point as Seraphin is coming from his version of the pros not HS and his hands are HUGE. One of the many problems for Kwame was he had small hands and thus had hands of stone in the paint whether it was catching passes or rebounding. Ser can rebound or dunk it with one hand!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 24, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the obvious difference that Ser is a 17th pick and Kwame was a number 1.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 24, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"Not to mention the obvious difference that Ser is a 17th pick and Kwame was a number 1.
Posted by: rphilli721"

A number 17 pick who was virtually a throw-in to the Hinrich deal so Chicago could dump salary. For which they got back Vlady V.

Think how those Bulls fans must feel now that LeBron is in Miami and D-Wade stiffed them.

Bet the Heat games in Chicago are already sold out.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 24, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The sky is the limit for JaVale and we, the Wizards faithful, get to reap the benefits of his talent. When he and Blatche had none other than Kevin Garnett hearing footsteps, stumbling in the paint and generally discombobulated last year in Boston, it was a snapshot of things to come for our Wizards. Now we read that the future is getting closer to the present. The engine of Wizards bandwagon is revving higher. Hear it?

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 24, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Lucky for us Abe told Ernie to draft McGee then?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 24, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

"Lucky for us Abe told Ernie to draft McGee then?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 24, 2010 8:33 PM"

What are you talking about? What are you EVER talking about?

Posted by: IrenePollin | July 24, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

@Melodious,

In all fairness to Chandler, he has had 3/4 seasons that have far exceeded anything that McGee has accomplished to this point. And, they are similar in that they are long wirey shot blocking type centers. That being said, McGee has the potential to be much better, but also could not amount to much. He's one of those players.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 24, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"A number 17 pick who was virtually a throw-in to the Hinrich deal so Chicago could dump salary."

So what are you saying here? That Seraphin was just gravy to the wonderful deal of paying $17mill for a backup PG? If he pans out or not doesnt really matter, cause we got Hinrich?

My perspective is that grossly overpaying a backup PG is what we had to do to get the other 1st round pick we wanted.

As far as Chicago fans grumbling over losing their fan favorite...that team is far superior to what it was last season and will compete towards the top of the East rather than slink into the postseason at .500...bulls fans will have much to cheer about

Posted by: divi3 | July 24, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"From the couple of clips I've seen, Seraphin reminds me of a slightly more mobile/athletic Rick Mahorn."

I'd like to see a clip of him running the floor with any sort of speed, in the Verizon workout he was plodding to a disturbing extent. However apparently his knee isnt healed yet, so it's no big deal. In fact you gotta hope they werent pushing him too hard given what happened with Gil's knee. One of the French language websites quotes Seraphin saying he was surprised how hard the Wizard's staff worked him and he was exhausted everyday leading up to summer league. Hopefully they didnt push that knee too hard!

Posted by: divi3 | July 24, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't put much stock in half speed drills bc they are exactly as stated - half speed and drills to boot. I saw some skill and girth in that clip and saw another clip of him on the French squad where he moved decently for his size. He is not a blazer, but I don't think those are the qualities we were looking for in getting him. He has a ready made NBA body for banging and rebounding. We have GA, JW, KH, AB, NY, AT, JM and even AB who all move well for their positions. So, we have plenty of speed just no girth or muscle.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 24, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

@divi3,

You are a little off there - $9 million not $17 million. And, here is the quote from Michael Lee's last post - "Hinrich is a tad overpriced, but using the rationale of those in the Wizards front office, he actually costs the team $3 million when you consider that the Bulls paid the team $3 million to make the trade -- and the Wizards were fully prepared to spend $3 million on a first-round draft pick."

I am actually a tad lost on the second part of that explanation, but there you have it.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 24, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

hells yeah Javale!

Posted by: divi3 | July 24, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

"@divi3,

You are a little off there - $9 million not $17 million."

He's guaranteed $17mill over 2yrs, so that's where I got that number. Of course, with the lockout looming the 2nd year is kind of ambiguous.

re: Seraphin, I agree we need the beef and he has it, that's why I think he should and will contribute for us this year

Posted by: divi3 | July 24, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I believe we got Hinrich to help John Wall transition to the NBA as well as to be a backup since Gil will be playing SG. I remember reading somewhere that Derrick Rose said that Hinrich had helped him his first couple seasons. I'm not sure what to think about Seraphin (as I don't think anyone is), so we'll just have to wait and see.

Posted by: swishjobs | July 24, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

team usa scrimmage is on espn2 fyi

Posted by: divi3 | July 24, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be interesting to see what they do with the squad. JaVale hasn't necessarily played himself on the team yet, but clearly he hasn't played himself off, either.

You can tell the coaches are not 100% sold on their center situation if they're trying Odom, Wallace, etc at C.

If they decide to have their C's play C, McGee has a good shot, but imo they only take him as the 3rd C.

Posted by: ts35 | July 24, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 24, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Are you crazy, he is a Tyson Chandler clone. Chandler was a better defensive rebounder and defensively aware but McGee is a better offensive rebounder. Before knee injuries did Chandler in, he was on his way up. I would love for for mcgee and wall to turn into chandler and chris paul.

Posted by: merajc86 | July 24, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"So what are you saying here? That Seraphin was just gravy to the wonderful deal of paying $17mill for a backup PG? If he pans out or not doesnt really matter, cause we got Hinrich?"

Nope. I'm saying that in return for a 25 year old power forward who'd never played a game in the NBA, we received 1) a veteran combo guard with starting experience, 2) the number 17 pick in the recent draft, and 3) cash.

If the combo guard doesn't work out, he becomes an expiring contract.

I just don't know how you turn that into a bad deal on the Wiz' part.

But I know you'll try.

"As far as Chicago fans grumbling over losing their fan favorite...that team is far superior to what it was last season and will compete towards the top of the East rather than slink into the postseason at .500...Posted by: divi3"

They're not cheering at the moment. They seem to think that in their greed for LeBron, the Bulls got taken. That in exchange for a very solid guard, a top draft pick, plus money, they got... bupkis.

My guess is they'll complain about it even if the Bulls win 55 games. Because that's the nature of some fanz: they get off on complaining.


Posted by: Samson151 | July 24, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Mcgee is not making the team (they barely played him tonight), however, he looked quite good in his limited minutes tonight. Definitely made the most of what they gave him, positive sign for his development. And I'd swear he's gotten a little bit bigger in just the last 2 weeks too.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

"That in exchange for a very solid guard, a top draft pick, plus money, they got... bupkis."

You must be the only person in the United States who thinks Hinrich is a better player than Carlos "bupkis" Boozer.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

My guess is they'll complain about it even if the Bulls win 55 games. Because that's the nature of some fanz: they get off on complaining.


Posted by: Samson151 | July 24, 2010 11:56 PM

If the Bulls win 55 games, nobody will be complaining about losing a backup PG and the 17th pick in the draft (whom by your estimates may be hiding out in the DLeague anyway).

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

You must be the only person in the United States who thinks Hinrich is a better player than Carlos "bupkis" Boozer.

Posted by: divi3

Wow, we traded them Boozer???

They had enough cap space before trading Hinrich to sign Boozer. The Hinrich trade was to free up enough space to sign a second max player. So, if that's your argument, in 'return' for Hinrich, they got Korver and Brewer.

Posted by: ts35 | July 25, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

"That in exchange for a very solid guard, a top draft pick, plus money, they got... bupkis."


You must be the only person in the United States who thinks Hinrich is a better player than Carlos "bupkis" Boozer.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 12:03 AM

The Bulls didn't get Boozer "in exchange" for Hinrich. They had the cap space to sign Boozer without trading Hinrich (and still have a little left over). The whole point of clearing Hinrich's salary was to give them the space to sign a second max player, which they didn't get.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 25, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Can never be sure, but I doubt Seraphin plays in the D-League this year. If it's just about getting better as a player, they'd likely do just as well having him stay in France for a year.

I think we've had this conversation before, but for most teams / draft picks, the D-League doesn't seem to provide as much 'development' as the name implies. Certain teams have found better ways to make use of it than others, but it's primary functions right now seem to be a)enough of a dodge to keep the courts of their backs about the one-year-after-their-HS-class eligibility rule b) a lower level league to find talent, like the CBA used to be and c) a place to stash late picks.

If Seraphin is on the Wizards this season, we'll have to see what he's got. I'd expect a lot of early foul trouble and looking a little clueless at times, but certainly he'll be able to throw his weight around a bit and get the feel for it.

Posted by: ts35 | July 25, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

They had enough cap space before trading Hinrich to sign Boozer. The Hinrich trade was to free up enough space to sign a second max player. So, if that's your argument, in 'return' for Hinrich, they got Korver and Brewer.

Posted by: ts35 | July 25, 2010 1:21 AM

So they got a 6'9" 25yr old guard who scored 13pts/night last season and Korver who hit 53% of his 3s in exchange for a backup PG they'd been trying to trade for 3yrs and the 17th pick. Not seeing where Bulls fans should be upset beyond sentimental reasons, especially considering their offseason overall yielded what should be a far superior team than last season's squad.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Not seeing where Bulls fans should be upset beyond sentimental reasons, especially considering their offseason overall yielded what should be a far superior team than last season's squad.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Having a team better then last year means nothing to Wizard fans...

the only thing that matters is what the organization tells them and they will believe the moves they made are great...

true Wizard fans never question the front office, don't you know that yet?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 25, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

The most important numbers this season:
McGee - 22
Blatche - 24
Wall - 19
Booker - 22
Seraphin - 20

In the 2012-2013 season this team will show what it can do.

Posted by: minorthread | July 25, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

McGee did pretty well with limited minutes. 7 points/3 rebounds, a steal in 9 minutes. Seems like, just based on the stats, he was more productive than any of the other big men except Chandler.

http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/national/showcase_box_score__2010_07_24.html

Posted by: minorthread | July 25, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"hells yeah Javale!

Posted by: divi3 | July 24, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse "

JaTravel supposedly did well the first 90 seconds he was in the game, which I have not seen yet, but watching him for other periods in the game, he looked totally lost. He tried one inside move and was blocked. Everything else, on defense, the better ballers (compared to summer league) pretty much shot over his attempt to block the ball, and scored.

It was clear that although he had some hustle, he has no inside moves, tries to block everything, and at the end, was dragging himself around looking dead tired.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 25, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

88's got the correct post. He started out well but then fell apart. I don't know if it was asthma or being out of shape or being lazy, but he was dragging out there and not getting back on D. K said he's there to protect the basket, and he didn't come close to doing that even when he did get back on D. Even with the lack of quality and depth at C, he has no chance to make the team looking like that.

Posted by: Giveussomehope | July 25, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"If the Bulls win 55 games, nobody will be complaining about losing a backup PG and the 17th pick in the draft..."posted by: divi3"

Sure, there would be complaints. The Chicago blogs will have their own versions of the fan with an axe to grind against the team, the GM, the owners, the coach, a star player... or the hysteric who treats news of a player's knee sprain like the coming of the Apocalypse (some of those will be in the media). Some guys aren't going to be satisfied with anything less than a ring. And even then, they'll find fault with the draft picks and free agents.

What could make a player like Seraphin a bust, however, is poor management, particularly of an injury. Say the team overuses him prematurely, because they're losing games, or they are desperate to satisfy a grumpy fan base -- that can really turn out badly. I don't think Ted Leonsis is that sort of owner, do you? Based on his experience with the Caps, I'd say Ted communicates with the media and the fans, but he doesn't pander to them.

Believe it or not, the Wiz have gotten lucky for once. Now they have to pray that Wall stays healthy and the other young players contribute according to their merits. I'm sure they're hoping for a fan base that has some patience with this rebuilding effort. Reading this blog, I'd say most here meet those criteria. But not everybody.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 25, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

About the D-League: I'm not a huge fan, but I learned some things I didn't know. Such as that around 20% of NBA players spend some time there, including first rounders like Aaron Brooks, Jordan Farmar, Martell Webster, and Thabeet. That's usually in the first couple seasons. Foreign players like Marcin Gortat who need to learn the NBA game. Underclassmen like Andray Blatche and (this year) Latavious Williams.

And a bunch of 2nd rounders, like Chris Andersen, Brandon Bass, Matt Barnes, Devin Brown, Rafer Alston, Chuck Hayes.. the list goes on.

David Stern's goal remains to develop a viable farm system. I doubt any of the Wiz' first round picks will play there, but it's not a catastrophe if they did. Except in the minds of some media types and few fans, of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 25, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Javale played better than Brook Lopez and Lamar Odom last night, not sure why some people insist on trying to downgrade him at every possible turn. It's like they dont want any of our players to be legit...odd.

Mcgee isnt making the team, but it had to be a good experience for him and can only help in his development.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Chris Andersen wasn't drafted. Started his career in China and did the D-League as part of his road back. And didn't Shaun Livingston spend some time in Tulsa? Sure he did.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 25, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

and if anybody looked lost last night it was Lopez who seems confused about having to score away from the post and didnt even luck his way into a single rebound in 14mins. But yeah, "JaTravel" was the guy in over his head.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Interesting thought from SI's Ian Thomsen on FA (at least I thought it was interesting):

"Cap space is fool's gold. A half-dozen teams spent two years developing major cap space, and in the end Miami was the only winner. The Knicks (Amar'e Stoudemire) and Bulls (Carlos Boozer) landed consolation prizes, and everyone else struck out."

"Over two decades of unrestricted free agency, the results have been recklessly disappointing for teams with major cap space. Shaquille O'Neal remains the only major free agent to win a championship with his new club..."

"Four years after Shaq went to Los Angeles, Orlando thought it would be able to recruit Tim Duncan but wound up instead with Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill, whose injuries prevented the Magic from moving past the first round. Now the Heat hope they have created a dynasty around James, Wade and Bosh; even if it works, they will be the exception to the rule. Free agency rarely works out as planned."

"Now teams with cap space are looking ahead to the summer of 2011, but how can they be certain of the future? No one can predict the rules of free agency that will be delivered by the ongoing negotiations between owners and players. Teams may have cap space in 2011 under the current system, but how can they say whether the same space will exist under the rules of the next bargaining agreement?"

Posted by: Samson151 | July 25, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

From Chris Sheridan, ESPN:
"Brook Lopez, C
Has been sluggish after recovering from a long bout with mononucleosis, and he is more of a scoring center than a rebounder and shot-blocker -- which is what Team USA wants most out of its big men."

Posted by: creativefunk | July 25, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The coaches gave Javale some courtesy minutes, but there's no way that he's making the team. He simply doesn't have a resume' that would justify his being on the final squad. Durant is clearly the centerpiece of this team. Not bad for a guy who was labeled as 'too thin' to play at the top level.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 25, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

From Chris Sheridan, ESPN:
"Brook Lopez, C
Has been sluggish after recovering from a long bout with mononucleosis, and he is more of a scoring center than a rebounder and shot-blocker -- which is what Team USA wants most out of its big men."

Posted by: creativefunk | July 25, 2010 11:03 AM

Well, I guess they got 2/3 of what they wanted as he had zero rebounds and zero blocks. However they will need to look to Kevin Love should they expect the scoring unless he recovers from the mono is relatively short order.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Durant is clearly the centerpiece of this team. Not bad for a guy who was labeled as 'too thin' to play at the top level.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 25, 2010 11:19 AM

yeah, KD is just amazing. Cant believe that kid is only 21, to think something as irrelevant as his bench press may have affected Portland's decision

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Chandler's foot injuries have really cut into his jumping ability and quickness. For a few years there it seemed he was heading toward elite status in the league, but the injuries have taken their toll.

If McGee can develop into having the same kind of production that Chandler had prior to his injuries, I'll think the Wizards would be happy with that. The guy was nearly averaging a double double over a couple of year period.

McGee should concentrate on learning to play off of Wall like Chandler did with Chris Paul in the pick and roll game. His quickness and hops can be used to his advantage beating bigger slower centers to a spot on the floor to take the pass.

From watching the summer league games he's still got work to do as a pick and roll guy, he's in an hurry to get off the pick and needs to learn to hold it a little longer to force the switch. But that will come with more time working together.

Big numbers to remember with McGee, he's now 7'1 1/2" tall and he's 22 and still growing. The fact that Team USA has brought him in to work two summers in a row means that Coach K has seen something to work with.

I'd trust the judgement of one of the smartest coaches in basketball regarding McGee's potential. At very worst McGee is getting a couple of more weeks of work with top coaches and is competing against higher level players then he saw in summer league. Every little bit of that kind of experience can do nothing but help the kid's development.

Somebody asked the question on here a couple of weeks ago,"where was McGee when Oden came out of HS a few years ago?" Where's Oden now? McGee seems to be the guy that USA Basketball has on their radar, not Oden.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 25, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePdlkX1tnhc&feature=fvsr

Guessing most everyone but me had seen this footage of Seraphin's workout with the Wizards but just in case....

I had only previously seen a few minutes from the French league. In this workout video you can clearly see what soft hands he has and that he can be the block player we have been missing, smooth with both hands in the paint. No D league...he needs to play with the pups this year.

Somebody previously compared Seraphin to Mahorn but aside from being hulking behemoths I do not see it. Seraphin's footwork on the blocks is much more solid now than Rick's ever was. Not sure about defense, he looks damn slow and may only be able to contribute crushing fouls at this stage.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | July 25, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

McGee might have been better off playing more minutes with Westbrook than Billups last night. Chauncey is living off his reputation at this point of his career.

I can name 6 PGs that are better suited to run this squad on performance vs. resume.

But long term it's about equity and even if McGee doesn't make it this summer (although he should) the experience will surely build his confidence.

I'm looking forward to watching how McGee interacts with his current Team USA teammates this upcoming season during pregame warmups. Now he doesn't have to be up Gil's azz when Rose and Rondo have cosigned he's the real deal.

Posted by: elfreako | July 25, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Somebody asked the question on here a couple of weeks ago,"where was McGee when Oden came out of HS a few years ago?" Where's Oden now? McGee seems to be the guy that USA Basketball has on their radar, not Oden.GM Posted by: flohrtv"

Well, Oden's hurt, of course. You have to wonder if he'll ever have an NBA career. But I should probably note that during his 21 game stint last season, he showed definite signs of being a keeper. Averaged only 24 minutes but with 11 points on 60% FGs and 76% FTs. To that he added 2.3 blocks, 8.5 boards, and an assist. His obvious flaws: he also averaged 1.9 TOs and 4 (count'em) 4 fouls.

This guy was supposed to be the next great US-born center. He's certainly big enough, at 285 lbs. He's a big reason why the US team is thin at center.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 25, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"Somebody previously compared Seraphin to Mahorn but aside from being hulking behemoths I do not see it."

I don't see that one either. Of course, all we have from this year are dribs and drabs of tape and a couple live appearances outside of game situations. Probably the best measure of Seraphin's raw ability (pre-injury) is Nike tournament in 2009. He didn't look ponderous there. Outside of Wall, he was the breakout star.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 25, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Durant is clearly the centerpiece of this team. Not bad for a guy who was labeled as 'too thin' to play at the top level.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 25, 2010 11:19 AM

yeah, KD is just amazing. Cant believe that kid is only 21, to think something as irrelevant as his bench press may have affected Portland's decision

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 11:39 AM |

Portland hasn't had a lot of luck w/ the elite players that they could've had through the years: Walton was brilliant for about a season and a half, then his feet said no mas. Everyone knows who they drafted Sam Bowie instead of and of course Oden over Durant.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 25, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"But I should probably note that during his 21 game stint last season, he showed definite signs of being a keeper. Averaged only 24 minutes but with 11 points on 60% FGs and 76% FTs. To that he added 2.3 blocks, 8.5 boards, and an assist."

How does our young Javale compare one might ask? Well, in the 10 games where Flip deemed him worthy of 24mins or more:

14.3pts
8.5rebs
56%FG
62%FT
3.3blks

Sure, there were nights when foul trouble glues Javale to the bench and there have obviously been good reasons to sit him at various occasions....but whaddya want to bet CoachK looks at Mcgee's game log and thinks "WTF are they doing winning 19, 26 games and barely playing this kid."

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd doubt that McGee's making team USA this summer, but Coach K seems to see the upside and is willing to give him a more extended look this year. Last year he was brought in to be an extra body at practice for a few days. Coach K's got his eye on McGee for future years.

On the D League, the Wizards were one of the teams that have made very limited use of placing their young prospects in the league. Blatche did a stint, and they actually hired a coach to go with "Party John" Ramos on a D League stint. Other then that I can't remember a contracted player being sent down to D League.

I'd look for that approach to change somewhat under Leonsis. N'Diaye appears to be headed to the D League, I wonder if they sign him and bring him to camp, or leave him unsigned and direct him to a team.

I'd look for the Wiz to go into camp with possibly one or two slots not filled by quarenteed contracts. Since their roster will be so young, the Wiz might have one or two guys playing in D League instead of spending their time wearing suits to games.

Seraphin is a guy that could gets some minutes there, that doesn't make him a flop, just a guy that might need more minutes of seasoning at a lower level of competition.

McGee is an example of a guy that should of spent some D League time as a rookie in my opinion. Playing garbage minutes only, can lead to bad habits and slow a player's development. If you take into account the E. Jordan's last full year of coaching, the EJ/Tapscott year, and then Flip coming in with a new system, it's a wonder McGee & Blatche have developed at all.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 25, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I did see the 3rd quarter of McGee's play and he did appear to be quite winded. At the same time he got no guard play and there wasn't any post up play being set up in that entire quarter.

The up and down play was to quick and haphazard for any controlled play on his part.

The bottom line is that yes he seemed winded in the 3rd, but there was no center play being established by the five on the court.

It looks like as some have been saying, that he might not make the team, but if you look at everything involved, he may have as good a chance any Center.

I put his chances as better than Lopez, based upon his play, but some consider Lopez a lock and if that is true, it would be hard to cut McGee.

And lastly, the commentator interestingly pointed out that the coaching committee is making sure that we donot make the mistakes of the past games when we didn't medal.

We will not just pick names, a past mistake, but they are building a Team of players, a nucleaa that they can count on for 7-8 years or more.

That statement bodes well for McGee.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm still having some difficulty wrapping my mind around the career progression of Javale. In the early part of last season, I though part of his name (from looking at the box score) was "DNP - Coach's Decision". Now, everyone wants to label as the next great center in the league. Either Flip's an idiot for not playing him last season or the rest of us are, trying to project him as an elite Center.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 25, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Common Myths:

- Gil needs to dominate the ball: This one is getting ridiculous. Gil made the playoffs while having a different teammate make the all-star team for 3 years in a row (Hughes, Jamison, then Butler). Compare that to Iverson, who's NEVER made the allstar team with a teammate. Name a one-dimensional scorer who has also consistently had his one-dimensional scoring teammates also make the all-star team. There are none. Gil might hog the ball from the Jared Jefferies types, but not from the other good players. Plus, his college team was runnerup in the NCAA tournament while he played SG. The reason he was drafted in the 2nd round was because they weren't sure he could play PG, not SG. The issue will be his height on defense, not his "need" to "dominate" the ball.

- Gil is a cancer. What does this even mean? He's clearly pretty popular with his teammates. It wasn't like he was alone doing those finger guns. Does it mean that he'll encourage them to be lazy? It seems pretty clear that Gil is not lazy and is a gym rat. Does it mean that he'll encourage his teammates to deuce in each other's shoes? Maybe, and there are worse things.

- Livingston is the Second Coming. (This is mostly directed at Larry). I liked Livingston, but I'd be more broken up if he ever once got over 8 assists. He didn't. Ever. He played pretty well, but he didn't dominate. If we downgrade Dray's numbers from the end of the year (on the somebody has to score on a crap team reasoning), then we need to downgrade Livingston's as well. Plus, if Wall plays as expected, Gil plays as he did in 2009, and Hinrich plays as he did in 2009, then we have 3 of the top 40 guards in the league (plus Young, with his potential). We didn't need more backcourt and strongly needed more frontcourt. Livingston would have been a waste of money.

Posted by: Urnesto | July 25, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Urnesto

Ball-dominating does not mean a guy is selfish nor one-dimensional. It simply means that he has the ball in his hands a lot. I don't care how many all-stars Gil has played with or the fact that Larry Hughes shared ball-handling duties with Gil. At no time in the past did anyone handle/control the ball more than Gil. Therefore, Gil did dominate the ball and this season will be a departure from that, by most accounts.

Posted by: bobabuie | July 25, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Gil is a cancer. What does this even mean?"

Good question, and I bet you can't find a unitary definition. But you have to admit that Gil was definitely a negative influence last season, based not only on the gun incident but on his attempt to cover up the circumstances and on his orchestrated defiance in front of the Commissioner (in which he enlisted his teammates)in Philadelphia, which is what got his butt suspended.

Ordinarily, you'd expect an NBA player to be summarily released for that sort of performance. Take the 1997 incident involving Latrell Sprewell, where he attacked his coach. Sprewell initially got a 10 day suspension without pay, but then Golden State voided the remainder of his contract ($24 million/3 yrs) & the NBA suspended him for 82 games.

Sprewell got that reduced in arbitration, with the suspension at the remaining 68 games of the season.

There was a lockout the following season and Sprewell was traded to the Knicks for John Starks and Terry Cummings. He really turned it around there and in Minnesota.

Of course, he was younger than Gil. But Arenas' career is far from over. I just wish he had a chance to earn back his rep somewhere else, in exchange for a couple high draft choices or a young veteran or two.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 25, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Sure, there were nights when foul trouble glues Javale to the bench and there have obviously been good reasons to sit him at various occasions....but whaddya want to bet CoachK looks at Mcgee's game log and thinks "WTF are they doing winning 19, 26 games and barely playing this kid."

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 12:24 PM

Divi3

That sounds just like something Coach K would say. That statement is brilliant and it underlies why I am hard as hell on coaching and am fond of saying that Coaching is extremely important.

Let me tell you a little story about the thoroughness of Coach K. A friend of mine in Durham worked at Duke University and got to know Coach K. just from seeing him at work. When my fried died, I wasn't able to attend his funeral, but I was told that Coach K. went to his funeral and not only got up and spoke, but brought practically his whole Team to the funeral.

Now this guy was both a Duke and a Carolina Fan and he was not a direct staff worker for Coach K.

Coach K. went out of his way to show an appreciation for a person whom he had gotton to know on an informal basis. It was like my friend was one of his players.

Ironically we called our friend "DC" and he actually was from DC but had moved to Durham and worked at Duke for many years until his passing.

Oh yes, I can clearly hear Coach K making a statement like that, and Coach K has great overachieving Teams year after year, but noone has to tell me why it is so, that he does.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

bobabuie --

That's a decent point. But, another way to look at the "departure" that this season will be is that it means Gil won't have to deal with the part of the position that annoyed him - ie, dribbing up against pressure, making sure everyone's involved -- and that he will get to only concentrate on the part that he liked - ie, scoring. I think he'll get just as many opportunities to score as before, without all the hassle, so that he'll be happy, and he'll forget about his apparent all-consuming "need" to "dominate" the "ball."

Posted by: Urnesto | July 25, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Gil is not a cancer in the sense that he's a negative, disruptive guy, but he does exert influence over his teammates as evidenced by his somehow convincing others to be a part of his air guns protest. Gil's not a bad guy, but he's not the type of leader you want on your team. His age, salary and role all dictate that he has to be a leader to some degree this season and I'm not so sure he's up to the task based on his well-chronicled past.

Posted by: bobabuie | July 25, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

With respect to Gil, he's used up all of his goodwill and will need to be on his best behavior probably for the rest of his career. He'll be closely watched by fans, the front office and the league. If he doesn't co-exist w/ Wall, he'll be buried on the bench. The Wiz have Hinrich, hardly the talent that Gil is, but a serviceable NBA 2 guard, as insurance. I suspect that Gil has learned his lessons and will probably get serious minutes. One of the main questions is: can he defend at the 2 guard position?

Posted by: randysbailin | July 25, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I think he'll get just as many opportunities to score as before, without all the hassle, so that he'll be happy, and he'll forget about his apparent all-consuming "need" to "dominate" the "ball."

Posted by: Urnesto

Perhaps you were speaking generally, but I never said he "needs" to the dominate the ball, only that he has. To be honest with you, I'm more concerned about his knee than the transition to shooting guard. If he suffers another knee injury, he's ours for good.

Posted by: bobabuie | July 25, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

- Livingston is the Second Coming. (This is mostly directed at Larry). I liked Livingston, but I'd be more broken up if he ever once got over 8 assists. He didn't. Ever. He played pretty well, but he didn't dominate. If we downgrade Dray's numbers from the end of the year (on the somebody has to score on a crap team reasoning), then we need to downgrade Livingston's as well. Plus, if Wall plays as expected, Gil plays as he did in 2009, and Hinrich plays as he did in 2009, then we have 3 of the top 40 guards in the league (plus Young, with his potential). We didn't need more backcourt and strongly needed more frontcourt. Livingston would have been a waste of money.

Posted by: Urnesto | July 25, 2010 12:43 PM

Urnesto, I understand this point of view and time might verify it as well. This also verifies that a conscience decision was made even before Hinrich and Wall were even hit the Wizards radar that Livingston would not be considered as a part of this Team.

This argument also assumes that even if we had somehow signed Livingston that he would not have been good enough to help this team with Wall, Arenas, Hinrich, and Young aboard as you say.

That, my friend, is an unverified conclusion, as well as my assertion that this team would be better off with him, as well.

But one thing is for certain, we don't know how things may pan out, and for all we know we may need a guard like Livingston backing up Wall rather than a guard like Hinrich.

And one other thing, I don't downgrade players accomplishments, just because somebody had to score. The last I checked, the teams we played were the same teams all year long.

So to me is is kinda like throwing cold water to downgrade a players performance because he got a chance to play when before he did not.

Oh nooo, I am not in that bunch.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Somebody asked the question on here a couple of weeks ago,"where was McGee when Oden came out of HS a few years ago?" Where's Oden now? McGee seems to be the guy that USA Basketball has on their radar, not Oden."

Which might, just maybe, have something to do with Oden still recovering from an injury and surgery and not being ready to go full speed yet? McGee was basically brought in as a practice body. The only reason anyone is talking about the possibility of his making the team is because at least 3 of the guys they would have preferred (RLopez, Stoudemire, Lee) are injured or not available.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 25, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm still having some difficulty wrapping my mind around the career progression of Javale. In the early part of last season, I though part of his name (from looking at the box score) was "DNP - Coach's Decision". Now, everyone wants to label as the next great center in the league. Either Flip's an idiot for not playing him last season or the rest of us are, trying to project him as an elite Center.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 25, 2010 12:36 PM

I'll go with Flip is an idiot for all those DNP-CD's last season, since that's what I was saying at the time, no need to change now. There were roughly 20 DNP-CD's and another 20 or so games of less than 10mins play...that's about 50% of the season spent ensuring Fabricio Oberto's development.

No doubt there were mitigating circumstances at times, but most of it was Flip's tendency to be a hard-ass on the youngest players as an overcompensation for rarely challenging vets. Just my opinion of course.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"But one thing is for certain, we don't know how things may pan out, and for all we know we may need a guard like Livingston backing up Wall rather than a guard like Hinrich."

Well, that door swings both ways, doesn't it? Given that we don't know how things will pan out, it could just as easily be that we may need a guard like Hinrich backing up Wall rather than a guard like Hinrich

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 25, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse


I'll go with Flip is an idiot for all [of JaVale's] DNP-CD's last season....

No doubt there were mitigating circumstances at times, but most of it was Flip's tendency to be a hard-ass on the youngest players as an overcompensation for rarely challenging vets. Just my opinion of course.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 1:31 PM

An opinion I share. It took Flip a long time to give the vets a tongue-lashing (at least publicly) while seemingly taking gratuitous potshots at the pups whenever the mood hit him. It was like the late Cleveland Browns coach Paul Brown notoriously yelling at Bobby Mitchell to get Jim Brown to change his ways. Obviously, none of our vets was worthy of that sort of treatment.

On a different note, any news on Josh Howard? I have a sneaking suspicion that the Wizards are going to sign him if they can get away with anything shorter than a three-year deal.

Posted by: and_1 | July 25, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I'll go with Flip is an idiot for all [of JaVale's] DNP-CD's last season....

No doubt there were mitigating circumstances at times, but most of it was Flip's tendency to be a hard-ass on the youngest players as an overcompensation for rarely challenging vets. Just my opinion of course.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 1:31 PM

Aye, as well.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Well, that door swings both ways, doesn't it? Given that we don't know how things will pan out, it could just as easily be that we may need a guard like Hinrich backing up Wall rather than a guard like Hinrich

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 25, 2010 1:48 PM

Livinston you meant to say I think, last. But yes, agreed that door does swing both ways.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

On a different note, any news on Josh Howard? I have a sneaking suspicion that the Wizards are going to sign him if they can get away with anything shorter than a three-year deal.


Posted by: and_1 | July 25, 2010 1:49 PM

Boston and Chicago are said to be very interested in Howard. Maybe we'll sign Howard and trade him to Charlotte for Livingston. That was for you, Larry.

Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii | July 25, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Either Flip's an idiot for not playing him last season or the rest of us are, trying to project him as an elite Center.

Posted by: randysbailin

Flip isn't an idiot. These are the players Team USA preferred to McGee:

LaMarcus Aldridge
Tyson Chandler
Dwight Howard
Al Jefferson
David Lee
Brook Lopez
Robin Lopez
Kedrick Perkins
Amar'e Stoudemire

Kevin Love is listed as an F, but he seems more of a C internationally.

Now add to this list the foreign born centers or those american born ones commited to other countries, and you'll see that the only people considering McGee to be elite are a few posters on this forum.

Posted by: djnnnou | July 25, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: djnnnou | July 25, 2010 3:25 PM

Three things:

1. None of the listed players that Team USA preferred are on the Wizards.
2. I don't see Haywood or Blatche (the guys ahead of McGee last year at center) on the list.
3. There's no excuse for the DNPs. Flip's still an idiot.

Posted by: and_1 | July 25, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

My perspective is that grossly overpaying a backup PG is what we had to do to get the other 1st round pick we wanted. Posted by: divi3 | July 24, 2010 9:24 PM

Hinrich is more than a backup PG. He will be in a 3-guard rotation all season, getting starter minutes.

OK, Gil is not a "cancer." He is not much of a leader for a franchise player either. I'm not talking about his gun slinging or pooping in teammates' shoes. I'm referring mostly to poor shot selection, lack of defense and average (at best) leadership skills. It is time to move him, although you hope he has a good first half so that a trade becomes possible.

Posted by: EdDC | July 25, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Livingston is the Second Coming.posted by Urnesto"

LOL look at it this way. Livingston is the second coming -- of Shaun Livingston.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 25, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I get tired of the "The Bulls have been trying to trade Hinrich for years."

Why were they trading him? Maybe because they lucked up and got a guy named Derrick Rose. THAT'S why he's a backup. Period. No Rose...Hinrich is still starting there.

Let alone get cap space for this FA class. So a guy that's now a backup to a world class talent...is expendable.

I think losing Hinrich and getting back nothing...is a loss for Chicago. They could've signed Boozer and Brewer and maybe Korver too without losing him.

It's not like picking up Dee Brown or something.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 25, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

lol...McGee is not even close to elite and if he does reach his potential it will be another 2/3 seasons at least before that happens. Been saying that for a long time. As far as the DNP's, playing players just for the sake of playing them is not some guaranteed way to produce the results you want. Ever heard of practice? Bad habits can just as easily be ingrained or playing time can be used as a carrot to help motivate. In McGee's case, his level of conditioning has been an ongoing concern whether it's asthma based or not. Not to mention being out of position, in foul trouble, etc etc.... To say he is young and raw and automatically deserves x amount of minutes is an extremely simplistic idea.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 25, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Glancing at Hinrich's career, the thing that stands out is that this is a tough guy. Combative, even. Some highlights:

"In a (2007) game against the Miami Heat, Dwyane Wade injured his wrist while being defended by Hinrich. Heat coach Pat Riley accused Hinrich of injuring Dwyane Wade's wrist on purpose.

"When Hinrich's teammate Ben Gordon heard Riley's comments, he came to his defense stating "[James] Posey's [foul] was way more blatant. I don't think Kirk did anything. He was just playing aggressive defense. Kirk didn't do anything dirty. I don't appreciate him taking shots at our guys."Sports Illustrated columnist Chris Mannix called Riley's comments "on the border of hypocrisy" while maintaining that Hinrich's grab of Wade's wrist, while illegal, was not a dirty play. "For starters, the play itself hardly qualifies as dirty. That was not the word Riley chose, but it was certainly what he insinuated. Illegal, yes. But dirty?" "Hinrich had no intention of hurting Wade. He didn't grab his wrist and twist it. He didn't chop down on it with his other hand." He went on to describe plays like that commonplace in the NBA, while calling Posey's foul on Hinrich during the 2006 playoffs dirty. "Dirty was the cheap shot that James Posey delivered to Hinrich when he leveled the guard with a body check during last season's playoffs."

"Riley later had a different view on his comments; the next time the Bulls and Heat played Riley was questioned about the comments he made by a reporter. "I didn't accuse him of anything, I'm going to tell you exactly what I think about him, OK? I think he's one of the top defenders in the game, in the league. He reminds me of Jerry Sloan, he reminds me of Michael Cooper."

Sounds like the sort of guy you hate to see on the court, unless he's playing for your team.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 25, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"Somebody previously compared Seraphin to Mahorn but aside from being hulking behemoths I do not see it. Seraphin's footwork on the blocks is much more solid now than Rick's ever was. Not sure about defense, he looks damn slow and may only be able to contribute crushing fouls at this stage."

Wow, sounds very Rick Mahornesque to me. Hulking, slow, and contributing crushing fouls...exactly my point. And, I said he might be a slightly more athletic version of him which could very easily include his footwork as if you remember whether Rick Mahorn had good footwork or not. But, thanks for solidifying my analogy for me.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 25, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah exactly...I get that about Hinrich too. I mean...they put him on Paul Pierce...they guy has been on the 2nd team-all defensive...and it's not like he's 35 when we're getting him.

Anybody that chooses Livingston or even Nick Young's "potential" over Hinrich...is delusional.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 25, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

No one has said Mcgee is an elite C, not a single person. All that's being said is he looks extremely promising and hometown bloggers arent the only ones who notice given 2yrs of invites to the Team USA camp, and the fact that just last night he outperformed Brook Lopez (who for some odd reason is annointed as a franchise C).

Given the above, Flip is indeed an idiot for the DNP-CDs

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Three things:

1. None of the listed players that Team USA preferred are on the Wizards.
2. I don't see Haywood or Blatche (the guys ahead of McGee last year at center) on the list.
3. There's no excuse for the DNPs. Flip's still an idiot.

Posted by: and_1 | July 25, 2010 3:47 PM

Good points, but Flip was gripping HARD last year with the losses mounting and the fact that a lot of the losses were by small margins. The Wizards lost more games going into the 4th quarter with a lead than anybody else in the league and Flip came to the Wizards with a reputation of having a real tight rotation, so at least he was consistent early on. Wrong, imo, but consistent.

Posted by: gimmedat | July 25, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow, sounds very Rick Mahornesque to me. Hulking, slow, and contributing crushing fouls...exactly my point. And, I said he might be a slightly more athletic version of him which could very easily include his footwork as if you remember whether Rick Mahorn had good footwork or not. But, thanks for solidifying my analogy for me.

Posted by: rphilli721


Not so fast (pardon the pun). Wouldn't you like to see Seraphin's knee fully healed before proclaiming him slow afoot?

Posted by: gimmedat | July 25, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Some of those tight games Flip lost himself. In particular the 1pt Indiana game where Flip blew the Dunleavy assignment, then put Mcgee in for the first time with .4sec left to try and receive and entry pass for the win which Javale effed up. An irate Flip then DNPd mcgee 14 of the next 17 games...but yeah, it's all about mcgee's failures in practice or other shortcomings, clearly the coaching is firstrate.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"No one has said Mcgee is an elite C, not a single person. All that's being said is he looks extremely promising and hometown bloggers arent the only ones who notice given 2yrs of invites to the Team USA camp, and the fact that just last night he outperformed Brook Lopez (who for some odd reason is annointed as a franchise C).

Given the above, Flip is indeed an idiot for the DNP-CDs

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse "

He looks promising if you put him up against D-leaguers. If you put him against real pros though, he doesn't look as hot.

I'd venture to say that he has no low post moves, can't hit a jumper with someone in front of him, is aggressive defensively, but lacks the ability to hold his position or get get position. Also, he doesn't pace himself well and gets winded easily.

I'd look to Flip Flop starting AB at the 5 with Yi at the 4.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 25, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd look to Flip Flop starting AB at the 5 with Yi at the 4.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 25, 2010 4:29 PM

Damn it, DC_MAN88, but you're probably right. I'd rather see Hilton Armstrong start at C before seeing Flip play Blatche out of position again. He's not a center. Wouldn't make sense to move Blatche just to get Yi onto the floor, which would play into Flip's thinking, imho.

Posted by: gimmedat | July 25, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Flip isn't an idiot. These are the players Team USA preferred to McGee:

LaMarcus Aldridge
Tyson Chandler
Dwight Howard
Al Jefferson
David Lee
Brook Lopez
Robin Lopez
Kedrick Perkins
Amar'e Stoudemire

Kevin Love is listed as an F, but he seems more of a C internationally.

djnnou,

It truly amazes me how folks like you are so enamored with what you don't have. Did McGee get invited last year for the same reason. No. They say he got invited as practice fodder.

This year they say he got invited because players ahead of him couldn't make it.

Does that in any way diminish the fact that he is there and has an opportunity?

In my book. No.

The sooner we learn to work with what we have instead of what we don't have, the more results you might achieve.

Nobody has to tell Coach K. that. He knows that lesson.

The sooner you realize that and also the Wizards, the better off everything will be.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Once again...nobody knows why he wasn't getting played last season. Just how everybody complained about Nick...until it came out that he couldn't remember plays called for him.

JaVale may be given instructions in practice that he can't follow. We don't know schemes, none of that to say that he is following them. (which isn't hard to believe since JaVale STILL can set a basic pick without sprinting to the rim looking for the dunk without even making the pick.)

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 25, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Yi could just as well play the 3 as the 4, given his outside shot and lateral mobility. The Wiz could start play three 7-footers, considering Blatche is just as shade under that height.

Then you've got bangers like Seraphin and Booker (and please bring back Singleton for more). I think we're a lot better in the frontcourt this year than last, defensively at least, and better in the backcourt by far.

Posted by: zinger1 | July 25, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

1sec on the clock and Flip puts Deshawn on 7ft Dunleavy at the rim, clearly Mcgee didnt follow instructions about how he was supposed position himself on the bench.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

JaVale may be given instructions in practice that he can't follow. We don't know schemes, none of that to say that he is following them. (which isn't hard to believe since JaVale STILL can set a basic pick without sprinting to the rim looking for the dunk without even making the pick.)

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 25, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Some guys excel in the pick-n-roll. JaVale's the master of the roll.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 25, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich is a fine PG who would start on many teams, but he (and Gil) are overmatched at the 2spot and it will be a problem.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

He looks promising if you put him up against D-leaguers. If you put him against real pros though, he doesn't look as hot.

I'd venture to say that he has no low post moves, can't hit a jumper with someone in front of him, is aggressive defensively, but lacks the ability to hold his position or get get position. Also, he doesn't pace himself well and gets winded easily.

I'd look to Flip Flop starting AB at the 5 with Yi at the 4.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 25, 2010 4:29 PM

Well, thats about half right. I've seen him look really good against some real pro's.

And the last person I seen make a low post move and slam the ball through the hoop from the free throw line w/nobody on him was Michael Jordan.

Since when did slamming in somebodys mug down low on a rebound or pass where you have to manuever in order to do it isn't called a low post move.

GTFOH, I'm laughing my arse off. Ya' think Mike Krzyzewski would invite a Center to tryouts that don't have a low post move?

What kind of basketball are you talking about?

Can't hit a jump shot??? Damn, McGee is getting worse treatment that Haywood got and I'm a Haywood fan but realize McGee is better.

And if Flip starts AB at the 5 and Yi at the floor just fire him, just fire him. In fact fire him now before we see it. Just fire him.

And I know DC_Man88, you gonna come back with something, but, for real man?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich is a fine PG who would start on many teams, but he (and Gil) are overmatched at the 2spot and it will be a problem.

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

And Nick Young isn't? If Hinrich can hold his ground guarding Paul Pierce...I'm fine with it.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 25, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The Grizzlies vastly overpay Gay and now they haggle over $300,000 in a 1st round rookie contract. Head scratcher. Maybe that's why several draftees refused to work out for them.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/25/grizzlies-standoff-with-xavier-henry-continues/

Posted by: gimmedat | July 25, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Once again...nobody knows why he wasn't getting played last season. Just how everybody complained about Nick...until it came out that he couldn't remember plays called for him.

JaVale may be given instructions in practice that he can't follow. We don't know schemes, none of that to say that he is following them. (which isn't hard to believe since JaVale STILL can set a basic pick without sprinting to the rim looking for the dunk without even making the pick.)

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 25, 2010 4:51 PM

Basketball 101. Either the coach can't coach it or if he has players that can't learn it then those players can't play.

Put them on the inactive list.

SDMDTSU, if you really believe these players are that dumb and the Wizards are even dumber not to have eliminated that problem immediately, then it is no longer a wonder why we can't win. We got dumb players and Wizards don't know how to fix it.

Think about SDMDTSU, is that really what you want to say???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget the Wiz got Yi, Hinrich and Seraphin for free--and even got cash back. All gain and no risk. Good work Ted and Ernie! The Wiz are starting to collect building blocks for the future. Some of the guys will work out and others not, but if you get enough young guys who do develop, watch out above! I love the new strategy.

Posted by: EdDC | July 25, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Once again...nobody knows why he wasn't getting played last season. Just how everybody complained about Nick...until it came out that he couldn't remember plays called for him.

JaVale may be given instructions in practice that he can't follow. We don't know schemes, none of that to say that he is following them. (which isn't hard to believe since JaVale STILL can set a basic pick without sprinting to the rim looking for the dunk without even making the pick.)

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 25, 2010 4:51 PM

Basketball 101. Either the coach can't coach it or if he has players that can't learn it then those players can't play.

Put them on the inactive list.

SDMDTSU, if you really believe these players are that dumb and the Wizards are even dumber not to have eliminated that problem immediately, then it is no longer a wonder why we can't win. We got dumb players and Wizards don't know how to fix it.

Think about it SDMDTSU, is that really what you want to say???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"Well, thats about half right. I've seen him look really good against some real pro's.

And the last person I seen make a low post move and slam the ball through the hoop from the free throw line w/nobody on him was Michael Jordan.

Since when did slamming in somebodys mug down low on a rebound or pass where you have to manuever in order to do it isn't called a low post move.

GTFOH, I'm laughing my arse off. Ya' think Mike Krzyzewski would invite a Center to tryouts that don't have a low post move?

What kind of basketball are you talking about?

Can't hit a jump shot??? Damn, McGee is getting worse treatment that Haywood got and I'm a Haywood fan but realize McGee is better.

And if Flip starts AB at the 5 and Yi at the floor just fire him, just fire him. In fact fire him now before we see it. Just fire him.

And I know DC_Man88, you gonna come back with something, but, for real man?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse "

I won't be coming back at you until you start making some sense and writing some English.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 25, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh. Butchadidbuddyrow.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 25, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"Wow, sounds very Rick Mahornesque to me. Hulking, slow, and contributing crushing fouls...exactly my point. And, I said he might be a slightly more athletic version of him which could very easily include his footwork as if you remember whether Rick Mahorn had good footwork or not. But, thanks for solidifying my analogy for me.Posted by: rphilli721"

Seraphin slow? Not off those Nike videotapes. Looked far and away the quickest big man on the World team that upset the US. And comparing him to Ricky Mahorn? Ricky was a lot of things, but an athlete wasn't one of them.

Trying to think which former Washington player Kevin reminds me most of -- maybe the very young Ben Wallace.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 25, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

@Divi3,

Stop with tired assertions based on nothing more than couch potato ranting. You give no support of your argument except to seemingly assert that players deserve x amount of playing time just bc you think so. Great! Become an NBA coach then.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 25, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

@rphilli, if you dont like the assertions ignore them. You're as full of crap as anybody else, everyone is just a random blogger

Posted by: divi3 | July 25, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"Some guys excel in the pick-n-roll. JaVale's the master of the roll."

Posted by: randysbailin | July 25, 2010 5:03 PM

That play where he rolled to the basket and got a layup off a finger roll from a feed by (I believe) Westbrook really stood out to me. Not for the play but the way that, as he came to the sideline after the immediate timeout, Billups was all in McGee's face, giving him some pretty heavy instruction. And it was pretty clear by his body language and gestures that he was getting on McGee about slipping his position and rolling to the basket without holding set long enough to actually make contact with the defender, leaving Westbrook sandwiched between two defenders. Yeah, they got a basket, but it was still a broken play where Westbrook basically made something out of nothing.

McGee is so obsessed with making highlight plays he routinely ignores fundamental basics of the game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 25, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

A commentor wanted t know ask was Flip an idiot for all the DNP's McGee received. THE ANSWER IS YES FLIPS AND IDIOT. McGee and Blatche were better than Jamison and Haywood but it was all about the money. Those making the money will play. Those drafted high will play. How come the Wiz don't have a legit big man coach on the team with all these young players. Oh did I mention Flip's an idiot. Sheed and Rip will tell you.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 26, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If the USA team play like they played in the scrimmage they might be in trouble. They do not pass the ball and that's a problem when you put a bunch of wanna be superstars together.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 26, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

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