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John Wall participates in evening session

John Wall sat out the Friday morning session of the Wizards' summer league mini-camp as a precautionary measure after suffering a strained groin injury the night before. He received treatment at 7:30 a.m., then studied the intricacies of Coach Flip Saunders's offense from the sidelines.

But after taking what he called "a big boy nap" and receiving more treatment later in the afternoon, Wall was back on the floor and didn't appear to miss a beat. "Full go," Saunders said in a text message. "Looked great. His speed is unbelievable."

Wall wrote on his Twitter account late Friday night, "Yes my groin is ok...just tweaked it a Lil bit"

Wall displayed a sense of humor while explaining how he got hurt after falling awkwardly. Andray Blatche, wearing a protective boot on his broken right foot and walking with the assistance of crutches, leaned in to pretend that he was a reporter. He moved his crutch toward Wall's face as if it were a microphone. So when someone asked about how serious the injury was, Wall said, "Oh yeah, I need a crutch right here."

Then he explained, "It's the first time I ever sat out with something like this. I'm the type of person that doesn't want to sit out too long, but also in this type of situation, summer league is important and practice is important, but it's not too important to make it a series injury that will hurt me through the season."

Wall is known for his speed, but he isn't the fastest player on his own team, with rookie Trevor Booker recording a slightly better time in the three-quarter court run at the NBA combine. Booker has already said that he's faster than Wall, so it will be interesting when those two have a race to settle things. "Once it's back healthy," Wall said of his groin, "I'll give him a run and see what it's all about."

Wall looked good great on Thursday, as he broke down defenders, was lethal in the pick-and-roll and also was competitive on the defensive end. "He's got great instincts. He understands. There are things that we can't teach that he does," Saunders said Thursday night. "And there's thing that we can teach that can make him better. But he's really coachable and has got a burning desire to play and compete, and when you have a point guard that is as vocal as he is and is energetic, it becomes very contagious."

Here is some footage from the first practice:


By Michael Lee  |  July 9, 2010; 10:23 PM ET
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John Wall sat out the Friday morning session...as a precautionary measure after suffering a strained groin injury the night before. He received treatment at 7:30 a.m...

and after taking what he called "a big boy nap" and receiving more treatment later in the afternoon, Wall was back on the floor and didn't appear to miss a beat.

"Full go," Saunders said in a text message. "Looked great. His speed is unbelievable."

"Once it's back healthy," Wall said of his groin, "I'll give him a run and see what it's all about."

New owner, same old medical staff?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 9, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Don't know body bad luck wizard's talk he is ok!

Posted by: dakel76 | July 9, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

...told you so.

Posted by: ericroks | July 10, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

I read that and watched the video and it got me so excited about having Wall on the team. Funny how bulletsfan had a totally opposite, totally negative take on it.

Posted by: IrenePollin | July 10, 2010 2:49 AM | Report abuse

I hope our johnnie Wall is as good as King James.

Posted by: Risa_L | July 10, 2010 2:52 AM | Report abuse

The excitement of John Wall has to be corralled.

Why???

When I read that Livingston is going to Chicago as a backup. Why???

I wonder do these folks here, Grunfield and Saunders, really know what it takes to build a winning team.

John Wall can't play 24/7 and we gonna need a real point guard to back him up.

If Livingston departs, there isn't another point guard on the team. SOS again.

Livingston in my book is a important piece to solidifying the Wizards from he point position. Why let him walk to accomplish that role at Chicago.

Who plays point when Wall is not on the floor???

Oh, we just wing it as in Wiz' it. You definitely do not want Gilbert having dual roles again. Not a winning proposition.

Someone with enough wisdom needs to sit down with Livingston and his agent and convince and lay out why we need him to stay here.

But that is too much like doing the right thing and building a championship.

You cannot go into the season with Wall as the only true point when you have Livingston here for the keeping people.

This Wizards team needs to recognize what they do have and make every move to keep it.

Is it asking too much to just pretend you know how to win?

I guess they would rather wait on draft picks and get lucky.

Sean Livingston to Chicago. Why????

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 10, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

GET YOUR POPCORN READY ! ! ! The Wizards are gonna bring some excitement to the upcoming 10-11 NBA season! Got a ways to go but I still wanna wait and see.

". . . WE WILL WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP HERE IN WASHINGTON BEFORE THE SELF PROCLAIMED KING WINS A CHAMPIONSHIP IN MIAMI,YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK"
Sorry, got a little carried away, I was feeling a little Dan Gilbert-ish after watching JW run the floor!

Posted by: zack5 | July 10, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Funny how bulletsfan had a totally opposite, totally negative take on it.

Posted by: IrenePollin | July 10, 2010 2:49 AM | Report abuse

Considering the history of the medical staff/trainers the Wizards have and then to read...

"Once it's back healthy," Wall said of his groin,

...most intelligent people would wonder why he is back out there if he's not fully healed?

Sorry I forgot, a true Wizard fan doesn't use his/her intelligence, they are supposed to just believe the crap the organization feeds them.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 10, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the Bulls have offered three years and $20 million to JJ Redick, but the Magic can match if they want...

So they've figured out that 3 point shooting was their big weakness last season. They finished at 33%. Korver and Redick would be direct remedies.

They're also looking at re-signing Brad Miller.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Groin injury if severe can keep you out for few months.Medicaly the best test of this injury is to go out and try to handle it,if it is too painful to rest it.There is no mirakle treatment for this specific injury that help us to continue to advocate our negatives on the medical staff.
Washington should not be dormant at this point,they need to try to offer some restricted free agents by making it difficult for teams to match it, look what bulls are doing on JJ R.Orlando has a hard time to match it.EG and Ted need to give up the 3 million they got from bulls as a signing gift to a dependable player that could contribute on both ends of the court.
What do you think about the Argentinian PF?I personaly do not mind if Scalia take the remaining cup space.He is an up grade on AB, he is not bad on position defense, good in rebounder and very good shooter.
There will also be some other SF that could be easily snached, weak up Ted?

Posted by: gtefferra | July 10, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Larry. Livingston does have some say on staying in Washington you know.

I don't think he WANTS to be here.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 10, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Larry, respectfully, explain further. I was never a fan of Hinrich, but that was mostly because of that little Wizards - Bulls rivalry a couple years back. Folks say Hinrich worked well with Rose. I'm looking forward to the same here. Livingston wants to grow, so that's a potential conflict point with Wall. In fact, why would he want to go behind Rose? But in any case, I'm in the camp that says Gilbert is now a SG, and Hinrich gets some playing time here as he mentors Wall. Hinrich is not a favorite with any of us yet, but he can play, and we'll realize that when the season begins. I liked Livingston also, but I was more optimistic about that before we got the #1 PG prospect in the nation.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | July 10, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"Who plays point when Wall is not on the floor???Oh, we just wing it as in Wiz' it. You definitely do not want Gilbert having dual roles again. Not a winning proposition."

Hinrich played the point at Kansas and quite a bit in Chicago. Gilbert Arenas has spent his career at the point. It's a bigger stretch for him to play a traditional SG.

But I guess if you've made up your mind to be upset about losing Shaun Livingston, none of that is going to make much difference to you.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Cleveland drafted Lebron James and did not win the NBA championship. Cleveland is now worse off than Washington. Winning an NBA championship is always a long shot no matter who you get in the draft. A lot of other things have to fall in place.

I, for one, am happy we have John Wall and think the Wiz will be a fun team to watch despite the fact they are a long shot to even make the playoffs much less win anything. Let's enjoy what we have. Maybe John Wall will at least stay in Washington for his career and not pull a Lebron on us.

Posted by: joyster8 | July 10, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Redick for 3yr/$20mill than Hinrich at 2/$17mill but that's just me. JJ has gotten better every season, clearly he is putting in the work and going to max out his upside whatever that may be.

Posted by: divi3 | July 10, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Redick for 3yr/$20mill than Hinrich at 2/$17mill

Posted by: divi3 | July 10, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

divi3

But then the Wizards wouldn't have Kevin Seraphin?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 10, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"What do you think about the Argentinian PF?I personaly do not mind if Scalia take the remaining cup space"

He's a good player, but he's 30 and probably looking for 4-5yr deal....don't see how that fits for us. Also, I'd like to think Booker was intended as our version of Scola. More rugged than offensively polished, and a great compliment to AB who is offensively gifted and ruggedly challenged.

Posted by: divi3 | July 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

But then the Wizards wouldn't have Kevin Seraphin?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 10, 2010 10:57 AM

Lots riding on the Flying Frenchman, he should see the floor plenty this year I think. Body like that can at least beat people up inside at C

Posted by: divi3 | July 10, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't want Reddick for 20 million dollars. He brings NOTHING but a shot created for him. Hinrich plays great defense at least. There really is no upside to Reddick. Catch and shoot. Period.

If you have a issue with 2 years of Hinrich...why would you want 3 of Reddick?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

divi3

Kevin Seraphin reminds me of Samuel Dalembert a guy who is physically gifted but didn't grow up playing the game.

I believe that helps a player, but I'm not Ernie and since he has done such a great job with this team the last 2 years who am I to question him?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"Who would have thought Steve Blake would be having much more success (and money) in the NBA than Juan Dixon?"

Many people (including I) did. Blake is a PG, while not spectacular, is definitely a quality player. He is a borderline starter and 2nd string guy; a little bit weak as a starter, but better than the majority of NBA backup PGs. OTOH, Dixon is an undersized SG. People have long said that Dixon's future in NBA would hinge on whether or not he can convert to PG. Unfortunately, he can't.

A better question would have been, ""Who would have thought Steve Blake would have more success and last longer in NBA than Steve Francis?"

I certainly didn't. Francis played 9 yrs in NBA, Blake has played 7 already, with this new 4 yr contract, baring injury, he will have a 11 yr career in the NBA!

Posted by: sagaliba | July 10, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Reddick for 20 mil/3 years vs. Henrick for 18 mil/2 years + Seraphin. Reddick? Really? Reddick is a liablity on defense and he's streaky. If your team is in rebuilding mode, there is no argument - you go with the draft pick, not with the role player.

Posted by: roundabout | July 10, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

There are plenty of stories besides John Wall and Lebron James. How bout some more reporting. Who are the rest of the guys on the summer league roster?

Is Flip personally coaching the Wizards' summer league team, or is it being delegated to an assistant coach?

Are the Wizards sending scouts to watch all the other summer league teams in action? What changes are being made in the Wizards' organization to carry out Ted's plans for building the team?

Posted by: PostSubscriber | July 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The "curse" begins.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Photo from recent practice. Javale McGee bigger?

http://www.nba.com/wizards/photogallery/minicamp_100709_39.html

Posted by: bobabuie | July 10, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Wizards Video

The Wizards have put some new video up. Javale is over 7' w/out shoes now.

Posted by: djnnnou | July 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I personaly do not mind if Scalia take the remaining cup space"

I do. Guy's getting a little long in the tooth and can only go to his far right.

(C'mon, I can't work in a little Supreme Court Justice humor?)

Posted by: ts35 | July 10, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

If Livingston departs, there isn't another point guard on the team. SOS again.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Larry, it's been pointed out already, but Hinrich has played more point in his career. He's more of a PG than an off-guard. And more than good enough to be the back-up. Assuming they don't add any other vets, the kid on the Summer League team Jerome Randle apparently has some skills as well.

Aside from that, personally I don't think there's anything wrong with having Gil play a little back-up PG. If he's buying in off the top that Wall is the "1" and he's the "2", he's enough of a vet to be able to play separate roles depending on who's on the floor. If he's not buying in to Wall being the primary ballhandler/playmaker, then they have larger problems than who the back-up PG is.

Posted by: ts35 | July 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Redick for 3yr/$20mill than Hinrich at 2/$17mill but that's just me. JJ has gotten better every season, clearly he is putting in the work and going to max out his upside whatever that may be.

Posted by: divi3

Hmmm. Interesting. So, since we know at least for now that Wall is the starting PG and Gil is the starting 2.....Signing Reddick for 3yr/$20M pretty much makes him the backup 2......so does that mean you're officially over Nick Young? I thought he needed minutes to become the consistent player we need.

Posted by: ts35 | July 10, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PostSubscriber |

Who are the rest of the guys on the summer league roster?

Rosters and some other info on NBA.com. ESPN's Daily Dime has running commentary from games; NBA carries games.

Posted by: nmik | July 10, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Wizards Video

The Wizards have put some new video up. Javale is over 7' w/out shoes now.

Posted by: djnnnou

Is it too early to say the Ndiaye is becoming one of my favorite Wizards? Don't know if the kid can play a lick at this level, but he seems like a bright, forthright kid with a good perspective on things from the interviews I've seen. If given the chance to hang around, I think he can become a solid back-up big guy for the rotation, a #9 or #10 guy.

Posted by: ts35 | July 10, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Its not a good idea for Wall to practice so soon after a groin. Groin injuries heal slow and reoccur easily. It could take up to a year for it to heal completely. Not surprised none of the ignorant coaches aren't resting him but don't they have team doctors their protecting him from himself?

Posted by: Eman8 | July 10, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Redick for 3yr/$20mill than Hinrich at 2/$17mill but that's just me. JJ has gotten better every season, clearly he is putting in the work and going to max out his upside whatever that may be.

Posted by: divi3

There are tons of JJ redicks from the undrafted pool.He is just a shooter,his service for a rebuilding team is not going to have a rebuilding value.Comparing KH with JJ is not right.KH creat shoots for himself and others,he play good defense and most of all team game, he is also a good caracter veteran to accept any role in the back court.No need to have a unidiamentinal gard in washington before we are close to contend.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 10, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

If John Wall decides to re-up and stayed here for 7 good yrs, gave his all, then wanted to leave DC weather we won a championship or not, I am cool with that. The issue Cleveland has with LABRON HATE is BS! He was born there, stayed in Ohio all of his life and now that he wants to live somewhere else where there is NO SNOW, NO COLD A** WINTER, BETTER LOOKING WOMEN,SUNNY ALL THE TIME, PARTIES FOR DAYS and he's 25 yrs old and has 100 Million (plus)to spend, WHY IN THE HELL SHOULD HE HAVE TO STAY IN CLEVELAND! He's not a slave to the Cavaliers! If anyone on this blog says they'd stay in Cleveland, they're full of BS as well!

Posted by: zack5 | July 10, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

JWall.....here's a suggestion.

Dont Twitter, don't tweet, don't do any of that garbage...don't go down that path

Stick to basketball.....

Don't even think about a coming out party.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 10, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"I do. Guy's getting a little long in the tooth and can only go to his far right.

(C'mon, I can't work in a little Supreme Court Justice humor?)

Posted by: ts35 | July 10, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse "

Long in the tooth?

You must be referring to Ginsburg.

As far as "can only go to his far right," it's better than can only go to the far wrong.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 10, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"If he's buying in off the top that Wall is the "1" and he's the "2", he's enough of a vet to be able to play separate roles depending on who's on the floor. If he's not buying in to Wall being the primary ballhandler/playmaker, then they have larger problems than who the back-up PG is.Posted by: ts35"

It's hard to picture Gilbert without the ball in his hands.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The madness continues in Charlotte:

"The Charlotte Bobcats made a long-term commitment to forward Tyrus Thomas on Friday, coming to terms on a five-year, $40 million contract with the restricted free agent."

"The deal was struck shortly after the New Jersey Nets presented a front-loaded offer sheet that would have been difficult for Charlotte to match because it's close to hitting the luxury tax, a payroll figure owner Michael Jordan said the team would not exceed."

"It was part of a busy day for Higgins and the Bobcats, who also reached terms with former Sacramento and Washington reserve forward Dominic McGuire on a one-year deal worth about $900,000."

"The Bobcats are convinced the 6-foot-10 Thomas will be a key cog in their rotation despite past troubles. The No. 4 overall pick in the 2006 draft by Chicago was suspended twice by the Bulls for conduct detrimental to the team and had been criticized for not reaching his potential."

"The Bobcats acquired Thomas in a trade deadline deal with Chicago in February, giving up a future first-round pick along with guards Flip Murray and Acie Law."

"The 6-9 McGuire had his best season in 2008-09, when he averaged 4.5 points and 5.4 rebounds for the Wizards. But he averaged less than a point a game last season before he was traded to Sacramento in February. McGuire played in 10 games with the Kings before being sidelined with a foot injury. Sacramento didn't give the 24-year-old McGuire a qualifying offer, making him an unrestricted free agent."

"Unrestricted free agent Raymond Felton isn't expected to return for Charlotte, leaving a hole at point guard....The Bobcats have been active in trade talks with several teams, intent on unloading a big contract to clear salary-cap space."

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I think Hinrich is a terrible shooter and an overated defender at this point in his career, so really I was just saying I'd rather have Reddick than Hinrich on the team as JJ appears to be getting better. Wasnt suggesting Reddick would be better than Hinrich+Seraphin.

Javale definitely looks much thicker in that photo! Gotta love that

Posted by: divi3 | July 10, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Hinrich is a terrible shooter and an overated defender at this point in his career, so really I was just saying I'd rather have Reddick than Hinrich on the team as JJ appears to be getting better

I dont know what you're basing that on. If you're going off stats...his shooting ability isn't much different from Redick's. JJ isn't getting better. He's getting more minutes. He could always shoot. Never ANYTHING else. Defense, Passing, nothing. If his jumper is off...you might as well put that mascot on the court.

Universal opinion and statisical evidence say Hinrich is a very good defender. Better player on a shorter contract.

They need a veteran presence anyway.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 10, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Not much basketball substance about the Wizards summer league squad. Just a bunch of nothing about John Walls. Did anybody associated with the Washington Post see any players practice, to be able to comment on anything about the sport of Pro basketball in Washington?

Posted by: CTaylor42 | July 10, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Not much basketball substance about the Wizards summer league squad. Just a bunch of nothing about John Walls. Did anybody associated with the Washington Post see any players practice, to be able to comment on anything about the sport of Pro basketball in Washington?

Posted by: CTaylor42 | July 10, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"Universal opinion and statisical evidence say Hinrich is a very good defender."

Statistical evidence at synergy sports says Nick Young was a better isolation defender than Hinrich last season...'universal opinion' is often based on reputation rather than recent play. But whatever, he's on the team, hope he's better than I expect him to be.

Gani Lawal lookin pretty good in summer league...

Posted by: divi3 | July 10, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

We haven't heard much about Nick this preseason, but that could change at camp. He's still an effective offensive player but looks like one issue remains turnovers and foolish fouls. Off last season, he averaged 0.8 turnovers to 0.6 turnovers in his 19.1 minutes per outing. He also came home with 2 fouls a game. My guess is if he cut down on the TOs and fouls, he'd stay on the court longer, particularly if Gilbert struggles without the ball.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Sorry -- Nick Young averaged 0.8 TOs to 0.6 assists in 19 minutes per...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I doubt the statistical evidence at synergy sports accounts for the fact that Hinrich was a starter/big minutes player who was usually assigned to guard the other team's best perimeter scorer while Young, for the vast majority of the season, was an off-the-bench role player who sometimes only saw extended minutes in garbage time.

As usual with stats, context is everything.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 10, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

"I dont know what you're basing that on. If you're going off stats...his shooting ability isn't much different from Redick's. JJ isn't getting better. He's getting more minutes. He could always shoot. Never ANYTHING else. Defense, Passing, nothing. If his jumper is off...you might as well put that mascot on the court."

I'm no fan of Duke players in general or Reddick in particular, but I have to dispute that one. There's no question he's improved as a player between his rookie season and now, in pretty much every respect. He still has the same inherent limitations he came into the NBA with--size and quickness--but he's clearly put a lot of work into honing his game to compensate. He's not and never will be a great player, but he's made himself into a solid career role player, which was doubtful when he first started. Hell, during the playoffs Mark Jackson couldn't shut up about how much Reddick's work had paid off. Even if I hadn't seen it myself, I'd take his word on something like that any day.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 10, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I still think Saunders is a one dimensional coach. Last year the excuse was that the veteran players didn't listen to him, but he didn't show that he knew who to play. What is going to be different this year?

Posted by: bobilly2 | July 10, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young was a better isolation defender than Hinrich last season...

Yeah and Javale McGee blocks a lot of shots and he's a good defender too.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 10, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Dorell Wright is now off the market (GS)...thought we were going to sign a SF? They are drying up fast.

Posted by: akmed0 | July 10, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I thought Dorrell Wright would've been a nice pickup for us.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 10, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

"I still think Saunders is a one dimensional coach. Last year the excuse was that the veteran players didn't listen to him, but he didn't show that he knew who to play. What is going to be different this year?
Posted by: bobilly2"

OK you got me -- what's a 'one dimensional coach'?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The Nets are filling out all that roster space left over from the LeBron chase. They signed backup center Johan Petro (Den) and have an offer out to SG Anthony Morrow (GS), to go along with Travis Outlaw. Meanwhile, Derrick Favors finished strong in Orlando.

Apparently the consensus offensive star in Florida summer league was Terrence Williams, who played the point at 6'6" and 220lbs but will likely start the season at SG.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Looking at this video...we need a C. JaVale isn't gonna get it done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s63mDgeT41w

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 10, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it's not just early but very early but McGee looks out of shape again. Really struggling out there.

Not good.

One practice, 5 minutes of tape...

Posted by: SteveMG | July 10, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I liked how Wall's free throw made it onto the highlight reel.

Posted by: crs-1 | July 10, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey fella's how do you attach a link to your comment?

Posted by: dakel76 | July 10, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Statistical evidence at synergy sports says Nick Young was a better isolation defender than Hinrich last season...'universal opinion' is often based on reputation rather than recent play. But whatever, he's on the team, hope he's better than I expect him to be.

Posted by: divi3

Which, if true, would be awesome if the NBA was one-on-one instead of five-on-five. Suffice to say, I feel safer relying on the guy who at least was good enough at some point in his career to earn a rep as a defender, as opposed to the player who has earned a rep as a turnstile. And a well-oiled one at that.

Which doesn't have much to do with Redick either way. I agree with Kalo, Redick has definitely improved, but is still limited. I guess the only thing that argues in his favor was that he consistently schooled Nick Young last season.

Posted by: ts35 | July 10, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Long in the tooth?

You must be referring to Ginsburg.
Posted by: DC_MAN88

See -88, I was just doing a bball joke, not a political one. If the dude had made a mistake and typed Ginsburg, I would have said long in the tooth and can only go left.

But if you want to go there....

As far as "can only go to his far right," it's better than can only go to the far wrong.

Scalia has the advantage of being able to do both simultaneously.

Posted by: ts35 | July 10, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I guess the other bball joke for that would be that Scalia's a good player, but spends all of his time on the bench. Thank you, I'll be here all week, don't forget to tip your waiters and waitresses!

Posted by: ts35 | July 10, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I understand the comments in support of letting Livingston walk. Hinrich, Gilbert, etcetera.

However, my point is this. None of those alternatives is anywhere close to what Livingston can do as a back up point.

None of the alternatives can run a team like Livingston can as backup to Wall. The whole flow changes when Wall leaves the floor in favor of anyoneelse besides Livingston.

Livingston has smooth court sense and awareness and is able to continue the uptempo flow that Wall appears to be skilled at.

Iamsa' just sayin' that Livingston is our best point guard back up on the team and if you are seriously about winning you keep your best players at every position and not settle for less.

Settling for less is a well traveled road by this organization. Letting Livingston walk is truly the SOS again, but keeping him is a new artistic stroke that we are about winning and not just settling.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 10, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey fella's i like what i see with the guy Aaron Pettway on our summer league roster. he might be a sleeper look at his youtube footage. he just might be what we have been asking EG for.

Posted by: dakel76 | July 10, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

And no I did not miss the point that Livingston himself might not want to resign here.

That is why I stated earlier that this organization should do all it can to show Livingston and his agent why he should consider resigning here.

Things we do can show that we are serious about being winners and things we don't do may indicate that we aren't that serious about being winners.

For Ernie Grunfield and this organization not to indicate to Sean Livingston that he is our best point guard option off the bench along with John Wall and that we really want to keep him, too me is an indication that we are still just plodding along and not trying or willing to take control of a winning situation.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 10, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

And, cross my fingers, what if Wall really does have a groin problem?

Hinrich as point or Livingston as point?

Can you feel now?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 10, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Can you feel me now?

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 10, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"Which, if true, would be awesome if the NBA was one-on-one instead of five-on-five. Suffice to say, I feel safer relying on the guy who at least was good enough at some point in his career to earn a rep as a defender, as opposed to the player who has earned a rep as a turnstile. And a well-oiled one at that."

Well than perhaps one of you who are touting Hinrich's D can find some stats from last year to back it up. I didnt bring up stats, SDMSTU did, and the one's I'm looking at indicate the disparity between the two LAST YEAR was not that big. I suppose we'll see this season if NY ever sees the floor, which I doubt he will with Hinrich and Gil healthy.

Posted by: divi3 | July 10, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I tells you what, it's just summer league, but derrick caracter looks like exactly what we're all hoping seraphin is.

Posted by: divi3 | July 10, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it's not just early but very early but McGee looks out of shape again. Really struggling out there.

Not good.

One practice, 5 minutes of tape...

Posted by: SteveMG | July 10, 2010 9:02 PM

Was pretty surprising to hear EG say that Mcgee has grown over an inch recently, now is over 7ft in socks. Guess that's good, but he doesnt look like he could play 10mins in any of the clips out there. I'm not sure which would be worse, that he simply didnt put in the work he needed to be in shape...or that he did put in the work but he's a still growing 7'+ asthmatic who just cant get his wind right now.

Posted by: divi3 | July 10, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"I tells you what, it's just summer league, but derrick caracter looks like exactly what we're all hoping seraphin is.Posted by: divi3"

I thought Derrick looked good in Vegas in a Glen Davis sort of way, but not as good as Devin Ebanks. The Lakers were significantly behind for much of the game and had nobody on their roster to deal with Ty Lawson. Caracter has good skills on the offensive end but seems a little slow getting up and down the court. We'll have to see how Seraphin looks once we get him back (August) but from the international clips he seems quicker and more energetic than Derrick. Probably less skilled, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I tells you what, it's just summer league, but derrick caracter looks like exactly what we're all hoping seraphin is.

Posted by: divi3

Caracter?
[finds favorite Shawn Kemp video]
Aiyyo, you ready? Let's do it

Posted by: djnnnou | July 10, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

"However, my point is this. None of those alternatives is anywhere close to what Livingston can do as a back up point.
None of the alternatives can run a team like Livingston can as backup to Wall. The whole flow changes when Wall leaves the floor in favor of anyoneelse besides Livingston.Livingston has smooth court sense and awareness and is able to continue the uptempo flow that Wall appears to be skilled at."

I like Livingston, but I think you're minimizing the flaws in his game. First, he's stretched pretty badly when he has to defend a smaller, quicker player. We saw that at the end of last season, when he was on the court a lot. Second, he really doesn't have an outside shot. That means teams can slough off on defense. Third, given his medical history, he's about as likely to get hurt as Gilbert is.

If Shaun wanted to play in Washington and was willing to compromise to do so, that would be one thing. I've yet to see any sign of that. Maybe things will change in the future. Or maybe not.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey 151 you know anything about Aaron Pettway? i like his utube highlight's he's on our summer league team.

Posted by: dakel76 | July 10, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

He's got a left knee brace on so I'm assuming this was within the past few days at VC? Kid is thick with a capital T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePdlkX1tnhc&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: divi3 | July 10, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"Scalia has the advantage of being able to do both simultaneously.

Posted by: ts35 | July 10, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse "

Musta learned from Ginsburg.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 10, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

None of the alternatives can run a team like Livingston can as backup to Wall. The whole flow changes when Wall leaves the floor in favor of anyone else besides Livingston.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Larry, we haven't seen any of them play yet, including Wall, so I'm not sure where this is coming from.

So in that sense, no, I'm not feeling you.

I liked the way Livingston played, and I hope he's fully recovered from his knee problems and goes on to a good career. I don't think (in fact I think it's pretty well established) that Hinrich is as good a passer or as natural a playmaker as Livingston, but he brings other things to the table that we also need.

If Wall is hurt / gets hurt, you'd likely see a starting backcourt of Hinrich and Arenas with both sharing some of the playmaking responsibilities.

Posted by: ts35 | July 11, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Well than perhaps one of you who are touting Hinrich's D can find some stats from last year to back it up. I didnt bring up stats, SDMSTU did, and the one's I'm looking at indicate the disparity between the two LAST YEAR was not that big. I suppose we'll see this season if NY ever sees the floor, which I doubt he will with Hinrich and Gil healthy.

Posted by: divi3

Where do you want to start? With the part where Hinrich frequently got the toughest backcourt matchup while Young was just as often playing against backups? With the part where the stat you love doesn't reflect things (as I've mentioned before) like blowing an assignment that leaves one of your teammates hanging out to dry, or failing to get back on the fast break -- both things that Nick is famous for?

How about the stats for the top two 5-man units for Chicago. The only difference in the lineups is Salmons or Hinrich. With Salmons, they were -51. With Hinrich +6.

This is starting to sound like the "Booker can't be that fast, the Combine guys must be wrong." argument, with the basis for your argument being because you don't think so. It's entirely possible as Hinrich hits 30 that he's starting to slow down and it's affecting his D. But you're hanging your entire argument on one out-of-context stat that reflects only one aspect of defense.

I mean, I could cite the stat from last year where in Hinrich's floor-time stats the Bulls were +203 in Net Pts. while Young was -137. Sounds impressive, but it doesn't really mean anything, given the disparity between the quality of the teams last year.

In the meantime, scouts, coaches, and GMs, i.e. guys who have spent their lives analyzing basketball, laud Hinrich for his defense. But they must be wrong, because one questionable stat says so, right?

Posted by: ts35 | July 11, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

In the meantime, scouts, coaches, and GMs, i.e. guys who have spent their lives analyzing basketball, laud Hinrich for his defense. But they must be wrong, because one questionable stat says so, right?

Posted by: ts35 | July 11, 2010 1:23 AM

Falling in love with a guy based on his rep rather than what he can currently do is exactly how we ended up with Miller. Of course you thought he was wonderful and I thought he was a disappointment, and therein lies the difference in our expectations for Hinrich this season.

Posted by: divi3 | July 11, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Falling in love with a guy based on his rep rather than what he can currently do is exactly how we ended up with Miller. Of course you thought he was wonderful and I thought he was a disappointment, and therein lies the difference in our expectations for Hinrich this season.

Posted by: divi3

Same thing with 'falling in love' with Young based on what you think he can do based on what he has actually done. Same thing with not loving a player based on what *you think* he can't do.

Meanwhile the player you love to dog in Miller is being courted by a couple of teams trying to build contenders. Last I checked they have not inquired about the availability of Young and his lockdown defense. I wonder why they want Miller? I mean for them he would just be a fourth or fifth option who shoots well from the outside. Man, that sounds familiar.

I actually subscribe to a wacky concept of let's see what Hinrich can do, before we pronounce him on his last legs.

Posted by: ts35 | July 11, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

WIZARDS,

Shaun Livington is a pass first point guard who is a hard match up for other teams because of his height and ability to penatrate and dish. Also we need to keep Singleton, his a glue guy who rebounds and can score in the post. I believe he had a game with 20pts/and 20 rebounds last year with the Wizards.

Posted by: I_can_fly | July 13, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

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