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Josh Childress gone, Josh Howard open to return

The Wizards lost yet another free agent target on Sunday, when the Phoenix Suns landed Josh Childress in a sign-and-trade deal with the Atlanta Hawks. Childress was the veteran swingman the Wizards perhaps most coveted after watching him in the EuroLeague Final Four in Paris last May.


I'm on my way to Phoenix. (AP Photo)

A Stanford alum, Childress was someone the Wizards had hoped would add some professionalism and character to the roster. But they also knew that it would be a challenge to sign the skinny small forward with the big Afro, because Childress had drawn interest from at least eight other teams. Childress reportedly will agree to a five-year, $34-million contract that wasn't out of the Wizards' price range. But the Suns are positioned to win sooner than Washington, even after losing Amaré Stoudemire to the New York Knicks. So Childress went west.

Travis Outlaw and Ryan Gomes have already signed deals with new teams, and Mike Miller is on the verge of joining the SuperFriends in Miami, leaving only a few quality small forwards on the market.

Josh Howard has drawn interest from Chicago and Boston but neither team has extended a contract to the 30-year-old forward, who is still recovering from a torn ACL suffered last February. Howard told Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports that his doctors have advised him that his rehab is ahead of schedule.

"I'm optimistic I'll be ready by the start of the regular season," Howard told Yahoo! Sports, adding that he would consider a return to the Wizards. "I'm going to be open-minded. But I have some loyalty to Washington for getting me out of my situation with Dallas. I have interest in them. But I have to keep my options open."

By Michael Lee  |  July 12, 2010; 2:16 PM ET
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Comments

If he's still available the Wizards would be wise to ring up Ronnie Brewer's agent, with the quickness.

Posted by: NotoriousREG | July 12, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to the Wiz to let Howard walk and we will have a team full of rookies. Jeeze the guy blew his knew out playing hard for a garbage team last season and they can't even reward him with a one year contract or something. Letting Josh Howard goe is going to come back and bite the Wizards in the arse.

Posted by: ivyleague | July 12, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Mike Miller is on the verge of joining the SuperFriends in Miami, "

I like 'SuperFriends' as a moniker for them much better than Miami Thrice.

Little bit of a bummer about Childress, but they'll get other chances at players like him, this year or next.

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the wiz resign Howard. Just not for too much money.

Still have no idea what they are going to do about the front court. The players we have (McGee, Blatche, Yi) are not known for their defense.

Posted by: dcsports12 | July 12, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

If he hadnt gotten hurt I would have been for picking up his option, it's only 1yr, and he's a tenacious player with all the grit etc EG says the team is going for. However Mike Lee reported they werent going to pay him even if he hadnt gotten hurt, and he did get hurt, so it seems really unlikely he plays here next season.

Posted by: divi3 | July 12, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Howard's knee and ganja smoking are issues both with keeping him and him moving. He has to grow up and stop his foolish behaviour.

They have to move Zero; they have to change the culture and clean house of the idiots and malcontents.

Posted by: kahlua87 | July 12, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News

LAS VEGAS – The Mavericks are close to signing former San Antonio Spurs center Ian Mahinmi, NBA sources said Sunday.

Mahinmi (6-11) played 26 games for the Spurs last season and is an unrestricted free agent. He averaged 3.9 points and 2.0 rebounds in six minutes per game last season. Several NBA sources said the 25-year-old Frenchman is ready to make a significant improvement moving forward.

Bummer.

Posted by: djnnnou | July 12, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Gil stays, Resign Josh Howard PERIOD! Every team needs at least one knuncklehead, this is why we haven't won anything, nothing, zilch, bupkiss, or any thing else for that matter!

Posted by: zack5 | July 12, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

LAS VEGAS – The Mavericks are close to signing former San Antonio Spurs center Ian Mahinmi, NBA sources said Sunday.

Mahinmi (6-11) played 26 games for the Spurs last season and is an unrestricted free agent. He averaged 3.9 points and 2.0 rebounds in six minutes per game last season. Several NBA sources said the 25-year-old Frenchman is ready to make a significant improvement moving forward.

Bummer.

Posted by: djnnnou

Yeah, agreed. It would be nice to see the Wiz try to attract one of these young bigs that are/were out there. Either as a placeholder until they find something better, or maybe to get lucky.

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

sure why not for Josh Howard.

Posted by: jefferu | July 12, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

the great thing about Ernie Grunfeld is you know the Wizards will be in the lottery every year.

Posted by: nativedc | July 12, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Every team needs at least one knuncklehead

Posted by: zack5

I don't know how closely you follow the Wizards, but we're way over the league cap for knuckleheads. We've been paying the Knucklehead Tax for a few seasons now.

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Grunfeld still has his job. He blew up the team last year because he thought it was getting stale. No, really? Well guess what Ernie? You're the guy who put the team together. So blow yourself up while you're at it. Having nothing to show for last year's draft, in which the Wizards had the number five overall pick and a high second round pick, is inexcusable. I don't want to hear, "he wanted to get Abe a championship." How did that work out? Not too well since the Wizards finished with the third worst record in the entire league. Even before the whole Arenas fiasco, if Ernie seriously thought he was going to win a championship by bringing in Miller and Foye, he was stupid. At the start of last season, a lot of people were optimistic about the Wizard's chances, but not even the most optomistic fans thought they had a realistic chance to win a championship, even if everyone had stayed healthy. So what was the point of throwing away draft picks on two one and done players? I have no idea what Ernie's plan is now. The guy is clueless and needs to be run out of town.

Posted by: sonny2 | July 12, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sonny2 | July 12, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Well Teddy's m.o. is that he gives the incumbent GM a chance to right the ship (like he did to McPhee)...Everyone wanted his head to until the Caps righted their ship...he is planning on the same thing with the Wiz

Posted by: merajc86 | July 12, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Unless they can sign him to a 1- or 2-year minimum deal, re-signing Howard makes no sense for this team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 12, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to the Wiz to let Howard walk and we will have a team full of rookies. Jeeze the guy blew his knew out playing hard for a garbage team last season and they can't even reward him with a one year contract or something. Letting Josh Howard goe is going to come back and bite the Wizards in the arse.

Posted by: ivyleague | July 12, 2010 2:43 PM

Reward? He played for the Wizard all of ten minutes and was hoping the Wizards would pick up his option. You don't re-sign players with blown-out knees based on emotion. You see anybody else tripping over themselves to sign Howard? The Wiz will sign him if the price is RIGHT. BTW, you might be the only person who thinks Howard should be around a bunch of young guys, considering his well-chronicled fondness for marijuana.

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

given his knee, i would think 1-2yr deals is all anyone will offer him.

Posted by: divi3 | July 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea what Ernie's plan is now. The guy is clueless and needs to be run out of town.

Posted by: sonny2 | July 12, 2010 3:16 PM

He's made it very clear the team is rebuilding. Which part of that don't you understand?

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

... we're way over the league cap for knuckleheads. We've been paying the Knucklehead Tax for a few seasons now.

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 3:16 PM |

"Knucklehead tax." Good one, that.

I'm for EG. I imagine that he and Ted have plotted their strategy together and I don't know whether it will be to go for the playoffs this year or to excite the fans with the potential of a young, growing team this year that is still lottery-bound with the idea of playing the lottery again next year and maybe also going for a big FA next year.

The trouble with too many in this forum is impatience. It takes time to build a championship caliber team.

EG and Ted are probably not going to tell us exactly what their strategy is (such as, "we're going for it next year but expect to miss the playoffs this," but we should probably be able to tell by the moves they make, and don't make. Have faith. These guys want to win it all, and I think they've got the stuff to make it happen. But it takes time.

Posted by: 7snider7 | July 12, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

He's made it very clear the team is rebuilding. Which part of that don't you understand?

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 3:36 PM

Well what does that mean in terms of a plan beyond the upcoming season? I probably seem more anti-EG than I really am, mainly because it galls me to think he now has a built-in excuse to lose for several years while we wait and see if Seraphin/Booker etc are players or not.

Thankfully I believe Ted is too shrewd for that, and as someone mentioned, EGs fate is tied to Wall/AB/Mcgee moreso than this years other picks and next years.

Posted by: divi3 | July 12, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

if the wizards want to sign howard for a cheap year, then i think that's reasonable, but let's not assume the wizards owe him anything. they owe him NOTHING. howard injured himself, that's the not the wizards fault. if we can get some players in return in a sign and trade, then it may be for the better. howard is 30 years old and coming off of a torn ACL. that's not very encouraging.

Posted by: swishjobs | July 12, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

WE'll sign three d-leaguers and be done with it. The WALL to McGEE dunkathon will only net a dozen points a game and we'll be back for another taste of the lottery next year.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 12, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Wizards fans are insane. Pulling your hair out over a guy who tore his ACL in February and won't be close to playing at decent level until January at the earliest. Howard is looking for a contract. Do you really expect him to say he won't be ready until after the all-star break?

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Mahinmi looks to be getting the bienial exception ($1.9M) from the Mavs. I'm generally not in favor of overpaying players period, but just wondering would it be worth $3M a year to bring him in? He would likely have a hard time turning the money down, short of Cuban telling him on the down low telling Mahinmi he would take care of him on the back end.

In terms of the continuing Hinrich debate.....Felton likely to get a deal *starting* at $7M. Meaning next year puts him probably at $8+M. Anyone think Felton is appreciably better than Hinrich?

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

ON HOWARD-Like take the gun out of my ribs brutha'. We don't roll that way here in D.C. anymore. Be on your way.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 12, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

If NBA GMs refused to sign players because they smoked marijuana, then there would be no NBA. Waht's next: NFL GMs leery of players with aggression problems. Let's not pretend to be naive.

If Howard can be had for a bargain, I think you have to sign him.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | July 12, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Thank you EG and Ted for not reacting to this infilated market on tier 3 small forwards.i do not see a significant upgrade on childers ,gomes and others over NY and ALT, considering short term deal with JH just to be respected by observers and to see what he has no his belt is good but no need to rash on these players as if they are MJs(I am not going to say LJ)

Posted by: gtefferra | July 12, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Ok well, my 2 cents:

A) Nobody wants to come to the Wizards right now. Ted has said repeatedly he wants to re-build through the draft. Be prepared to have a lottery pick the next two seasons...seriously

B) Ernie Grunfeld stinks as a GM. Ted will wise-up and figure that out. The guy can trade his butt off, but his drafting is WAY below average. Not a good mix for an owner who wants to re-build through the draft.

C) Let's be honest...after what happend last year would you really want to come to DC???

It's going to be a few painful years ahead. I just hope Wall can take it and not want out before the roster is rebuilt. If they do indeed trade Gilbert, it can't just be for a pick. They are going to have to get someone in return who can play.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 12, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Well what does that mean in terms of a plan beyond the upcoming season? I probably seem more anti-EG than I really am, mainly because it galls me to think he now has a built-in excuse to lose for several years while we wait and see if Seraphin/Booker etc are players or not.

Posted by: divi3

They are rebuilding with youth. I don't see that changing radically, unless this team is much better than any of us think.
As far s Ernie's built-in excuse, there's no chance of Ernie sticking around if this team shows no signs of a pulse and improvement. And it's not even how many games they lose, but HOW they lose, imo.

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Wake up Wiz fans. Why would anyone want to sign for about the same amount of money to be on a last place team?


Also, enough with the Mcphee-Grunfeld comparisons. I don't know hockey but apparently there's much more talent in hockey than there is in basketball an thus the draft can be effective. The NBA draft is luck to get the opportunity to get known "specialty talent". if you look at Grunfeld's drafts and his overall record, he's been subpar. how long can he live off trading Kwame Brown for Caron Butler?

Posted by: simplewords999 | July 12, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Reward? He played for the Wizard all of ten minutes and was hoping the Wizards would pick up his option. You don't re-sign players with blown-out knees based on emotion. You see anybody else tripping over themselves to sign Howard? The Wiz will sign him if the price is RIGHT. BTW, you might be the only person who thinks Howard should be around a bunch of young guys, considering his well-chronicled fondness for marijuana.

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

MARIJUANA? u r the only person who thinks he shouldn't be on the team because of MJ (coincidence?). I don't even think MJ is a banned substance in the L.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Howard would have already been signed by a contender as a 6th man if his knee was healthy. If the Wiz can sign him to a one-year incentive laden deal, then bringing him back makes sense. In the meantime, we need to see what Al Thornton can do with the bulk of the minutes at the 3. We do need a shooter, but possibly NY could play some 3 as well.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 12, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Even if the Wiz did sign Josh Howard, would he be able to help this year?

I haven't heard much about his rehabilitation. If he is not playing in full scrimmages September it would be hard to imagine him balling this season.

Posted by: millineumman | July 12, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

MARIJUANA? u r the only person who thinks he shouldn't be on the team because of MJ (coincidence?). I don't even think MJ is a banned substance in the L.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 12, 2010 4:01 PM

Read my post again. Never said that's the reason he shouldn't be on the team. My point was he's probably not going to be the veteran who you want younger players looking at and emulating. BTW, does the league supercede the law?

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld was wise to bring in Miller and Foye since the Wiz thought they were going to compete with Gilbert, Caron, Haywood, and Antawn. But that fizzled. So giving up the #5 was understanable but not the right thing to do in hindsight.

What's inexcusable to me is what we got in return from teams looking to go deep in the playoffs. Thornton. That's all that's left. A few late 1st round draft picks...whatever.

Posted by: isnadd | July 12, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

what about Chris Douglas Roverts? Michael Redd? Flip Murray? Kenyon Martin? Keith Bogans? Chris Wilcox? Matt Barnes? Joe Alexander?
what about Josh Boone to rotate with McGee?

Posted by: ryjufox3 | July 12, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea what Ernie's plan is now. The guy is clueless and needs to be run out of town.

Posted by: sonny2 | July 12, 2010 3:16 PM

He's made it very clear the team is rebuilding. Which part of that don't you understand?

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse
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The part where the guy rebuilding is the same guy who put the team together in the first place. That's the part I don't understand. I'm mystified by all of these people who seem so eager to give Ernie a pass, as if he had nothing to do with the state of the Wizards. I know Gilbert flamed out. But Gilbert is only one player. And Ernie gave him a $100mn dollar contract when there were plenty of people screaming at him not to do it. So, ultimately, having Gilbert on the roster is Ernie's decision. Beyond that, I know the Wizards have had injuries, but other teams have injuries too. Go look at the list of Trailblazer injuries for example, including the loss of their number 1 overall pick, and then compare their record over the last few years with the Wizard's records. Ernie's had some bad luck, but he's also done a bad job, especially over the last four or five years. I still can't believe he traded last year's second round pick for cash when DeJuan Blair was sitting there. And now we're going to let this guy rebuild? Why? Because of a few first round exits in the playoffs three years ago? I know, they went out in the second round once. But Ernie's been here for seven years. And with a 19 win season followed by a 24 win season, the team is pretty close to being what it was when Ernie got here. Time for Ernie to go.

Posted by: sonny2 | July 12, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I know it's tough right now but we need to keep our eyes on the prize. All we can expect and hope for is to put together a hungry and competitive team this season. Let our young guys grow and learn together and buy into the philosophy of building something special. We as a city, cannot get overly optimistic about our squad and enjoy this season with realistic and lowered expectations. I think if we do that, we'll enjoy the road to come much more.

That's my two.

Posted by: CYA_Coach | July 12, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz need to get serious about resigning Howard. If he ultimately walks because a team gives him a ridiculous contract that doesn't make financial sense so be it. That's the business.

Howard played hard on a team that had no chance, and unlike Miller or Livingston, he's made no bones about wanting to return to DC -- even in the full awareness that his option wasn't going to be exercised and that he was going to make less money for doing so. Hard worker; WANTS to be in DC even during a rebuilding period; good veteran role model (his incidents in Dallas notwithstanding); record as a quality player -- the only net negative is the injury history, but you factor that into the ultimate offer. Get the deal done.

Posted by: JPRS | July 12, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it is a matter of resigning him for one or two yeas is it? I think it is a matter of picking up his inflated option year. I guess you could get him to sign an extension to make his option year more palatable salary cap and plain old money wise, but he is still a valuable player at half the price or so. I would see if he will extend two years and delay his large option year to the third year which again would be a team option. If he performs he is a steal, if not then you dump him after two. If he plays well and you honor the option, it will go a long way with other FA. if he stinks then everyone understands. Or you simply pick up the option which they can afford, and he is playing for a contract next year or a trade at the deadline. I like desperate players playing in a contract year.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | July 12, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure I am seeing why signing Howard would make no sense for this team.

They have stated they need and want another wingman. And the Wiz did pretty well in the four or five games they played with him last year.

If he had remained healthy, he would no doubt be too expensive for what they would want to spend. Since he is overcoming a major injury his price tag should be reduced and more in line with what they can spend and he will draw less interest from other teams.

Of course they would probably only should (and want to) give him a 1-2 year deal.

Posted by: cannontl | July 12, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think it is a matter of resigning him for one or two yeas is it? I think it is a matter of picking up his inflated option year."

There's not a chance in hell the Wizards will pick up his option (I think the deadline for it may have already passed). Once the option deadline goes by, he becomes an unrestricted FA and any team (including the Wiz) can sign him for any amount.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 12, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sonny2 | July 12, 2010 4:25 PM

You say Ernie shouldn't be here because he's rebuilding the team he built in the first place. Other GMs have had playoff teams, rebuilt the team and kept their job at least a couple years into the rebuild. That's not unique. Why whould it be different for Ernie?

You say Ernie has done a bad job the last 4-5 five years. Really? Even when they were making the playoffs he was doing a bad job?

You say he signed Gil to a big contract with people screaming at him not to. The only scream he has to listen to is the owner's. He did. The rest is history.

When Ernie traded that 2d round pick last year, who do you think pocketed the money? Ernie or Pollin? Does your answer tell you anything?

Obviously, Leonsis was here for the whole period that Grunfeld has been here and probably knows a thing or two about the motivation for certain transactions over the years. It's time for Ernie to go when Leonsis says so. The fact that you don't like the GM doesn't mean the plan is hazy. The stated plan is they are rebuilding with youth.

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

@sonny2,

"The part where the guy rebuilding is the same guy who put the team together in the first place. That's the part I don't understand."

Probably because EG came to a Washington team that had nothing and within a year he played a role in turning a perennial losing franchise into a three time playoff team (you have to start somewhere).

He dealt Kwame Bust for Caron Butler. He was able to off-load veteran contracts and get a quality veteran in Jamison. He stole Arenas from Golden State and got him on reasonable terms his first few years. He didn't bite on over-paying Larry Hughes or Jared Jeffries. He found a player like Andray Blatche in the second round. He's made good free agent on the margins signing Antonio Daniels -- who performed at the level of his contract for his first three years; he got Darius Songaila who did the same; he kept Mason for at least one year.

On the flip-side you have Jamison for Devin Harris. The #5 and contracts for a couple quality veterans I see as one of those smart gambles that just didn't pan out (e.g. the Wizards were playing for NOW and there were enough questions about the picks from #5 up that he made his moves). His deals in early 2010 positioned this team well -- including off-loading veteran contracts and creating cap space and getting a late first rounder. He got lucky in 2010 with the lottery which pretty much eliminates the downside of the #5 trade (e.g. OK he missed out on Jennings, but I'd rather have Wall than Jennings). His recent deals have been sold risk-reward moves with virtually no risk and at least some upside.

He's made more good deals than bad ones -- including a couple absolute steals.

His handful of duds have been gambles that just didn't pay-off (the second Arenas contract is one that is the biggest gamble and the biggest bust so far -- but even that one could find some redemption).

If there was a clearly better option at GM available of course you would make that move.

But you don't make moves, just to make moves. You make moves because they put you in a position that is better than the one you were in before.

Posted by: JPRS | July 12, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Howard played hard on a team that had no chance, and unlike Miller or Livingston, he's made no bones about wanting to return to DC -- even in the full awareness that his option wasn't going to be exercised and that he was going to make less money for doing so.

Posted by: JPRS | July 12, 2010 4:28 PM

Before he got hurt, he stated point-blank that he wanted the Wizards to pick up his option. He never had "full awareness" that his option wouldn't be picked up until after he got hurt. Do you really think he would have wanted to play for the Wizards if he had never gotten hurt and the Wizards had decided not to pick up his option? He would have left this franchise in his rearview mirror and nobody would have blamed him.

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it is a matter of resigning him for one or two yeas is it? I think it is a matter of picking up his inflated option year.

Posted by: dbrine1261

Pretty sure they have already renounced that option. There was never any chance they were going to pick it up at $12M or whatever it was exactly. But if they had picked up that option, I'm not sure they would be able to negotiate it down as part of an extension. But when it comes to cap issues, I didn't exactly even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night (btw, not sure if it was an effective ad campaign to get people to stay there, but you have to give them credit for getting their brand stuck in people's heads).

If by chance, they do still have the option, they're not picking it up now, because it would put them over the cap. But pretty sure they had to renounce it to get the cap space, because even if they hadn't picked it up yet, it would still count against the cap until they did something with it.

If the expectation is that he's a viable, healthy player next year, its probably worth offering a low-level deal, if they don't have other vets they like. With knee injuries (as Wiz fans are well aware), there's a difference between being healthy enough to play and being 100%. Howard has also been getting banged up more and more over the past couple of years, from missing games here and there to missing short stretches, to now this. Perhaps bringing him back as someone expected to split time with guys like AT and the youngsters will extend his career, but I think his days of major minutes are pretty much done.

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

My understanding is that Howard already is an unrestricted FA and this is the context of my post above.

(The Wiz were never interested in picking up his option.)

Posted by: cannontl | July 12, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Read my post again. Never said that's the reason he shouldn't be on the team. My point was he's probably not going to be the veteran who you want younger players looking at and emulating. BTW, does the league supercede the law?

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

part of the problem on this team is picking veterans who so and so can look up to. how bout you get some guys who can help you win. For all the crap talked about how a certain recent FA hadn't won anything, people on here praised Metawn Jamison for being a good role model and character guy who led the wiz to absolutely nothing. I don't care if the guy smokes weed everyday, his job is to hoop and be in shape and prepared to hoop. Let's hope we draft and bring in guys who are confident enough in themselves to choos to smoke or not on their own and not because of the great Smokin Success Story that is Josh Howard. Look at him a former allstar now beggin his way back to a 26 win team, that's the guy to emulate for sure. Any kid in their right mind, weed smoker or not, would try to take a different career path, and if they wouldn't they're prolly not worth it. Either way the smoking of the reefer isn't the problem.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 12, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

BTW, does the league supercede the law?

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Gil might think so. 1 yr ban/millions lost compared to 30 days in the halfway house and a 5,000 dollar fine.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 12, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 12, 2010 4:59 PM

The problem is his knee, as I said.

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Gil might think so. 1 yr ban/millions lost compared to 30 days in the halfway house and a 5,000 dollar fine.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 12, 2010 5:02 PM

Felonies are felonies.

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Whatever rosy predictions Howard himself may make, the odds of him being able to play at the beginning of the season are slim, and the odds of him being able to play effectively are slimmer still. He has no part in the team's long-term future, and having a vet who still thinks of himself as a prime-time player trying to re-establish himself for his next contract may not be the best thing for a rebuilding young team. Players do tend to play hard in contract years, but they can sometimes put their individual agenda above team goals. Don't know if Howard is that guy or not, but given all of the other factors, it really doesn't seem worth it to find out.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 12, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"In terms of the continuing Hinrich debate.....Felton likely to get a deal *starting* at $7M. Meaning next year puts him probably at $8+M. Anyone think Felton is appreciably better than Hinrich?Posted by: ts35"

I like Felton, but he's an undersized PG (a little shorter than Chris Paul and not nearly as quick)and not much of a shooter. He really blossomed this season under Larry Brown but it's interesting Charlotte didn't keep him (it looked for quite a while as if they would). Hinrich is a two position player so it's not easy to compare them. Felton would be a better fit in NY, where it seems he'll wind up.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I like Felton, but he's an undersized PG (a little shorter than Chris Paul and not nearly as quick)and not much of a shooter. He really blossomed this season under Larry Brown but it's interesting Charlotte didn't keep him (it looked for quite a while as if they would). Hinrich is a two position player so it's not easy to compare them. Felton would be a better fit in NY, where it seems he'll wind up.

Posted by: Samson151

More so of a comparison based on the salaries being offered this offseason. It's a little apples and oranges, but for the people complaining about EG trading for a guy owed $17M over two years, seeing someone like Felton get a deal that will be in the neighborhood of $15M over the first two years (plus however many more years are attached at increasing salaries) should change the perspective a bit. For as much squawking as the owners have been doing about escalating salaries, they are killing themselves (and their bargaining position) with some of these deals.

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Using the Midlevel exception ($5.7 Million/year for 3~4 years) on Lous Scola best serves what the Wizards need. A healthy and motivated Josh Howard would also be a good bet, especially considering what other options the team has (Eric Dampier from Dallas maybe??)

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 12, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Even though he can't shoot, Ronnie Brewer seems to be the best remaining fit. Plays tough D and can throw down some impressive alley-oop dunks from Wall. Beyond him it is slim pickings. Rasual Butler anyone?

Posted by: akmed0 | July 12, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

There's really nothing to complain about with Hinrich (not that that'll stop some people). Not only does his salary actual decrease in his final season (2011-12), but the Bulls gave the Wizards $3 mill in cash to offset his salary. So in terms of actual cost to the team, he's making about $14 mill over 2 years.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 12, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Using the Midlevel exception ($5.7 Million/year for 3~4 years) on Louis Scola best serves what the Wizards need. A healthy and motivated Josh Howard would also be a good bet, especially considering what other options the team has (Eric Dampier from Dallas maybe??)

Posted by: Airborne82

The Wizards are under the cap, so they don't get to use the Midlevel Exception. They do have that much cap space free, so they could sign Scola. But he's going to want more than a deal averaging $5.7M a year (especially if Travis Outlaw gets $7M a year). He's also 30, which doesn't fit in to their stated intentions of building with youth first.

If Howard is healthy and motivated, he might be a good bet, but it's a good bet he won't be fully healthy to start the season at least.

Not sure why we would want Dampier. As far as I know, he is still under contract to Dallas this season (non-guaranteed) for $13M.

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Why Josh Howard, an older guy coming off injury with declining skills? Wouldn't y'all prefer someone with upside? The Mavs were happy to trade him, since he was being phased out anyway.

If Howard had not played in those 4 games as a Wiz, would he still be your target?

Posted by: EdDC | July 12, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Well Teddy's m.o. is that he gives the incumbent GM a chance to right the ship (like he did to McPhee)...Everyone wanted his head to until the Caps righted their ship...he is planning on the same thing with the Wiz

Posted by: merajc86 | July 12, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse
==========================================
George McPhee and Ted Leonsis got lucky by the firing of Glen Hanlon and the hiring of Bruce Boudreau. Otherwise, the Capitals would have been another year behind in terms of player and experience development despite all the collection of young talents. Remember, the Capitals were "Dead Last" out of all the teams in November of 2007 before the firing and would have really destroyed the confidences of the young stars if Glen (Clueless) Hanlon was to remain to finish out the season. Will Ernie (Hey Bert!) Grunfeld be as lucky? Is Flip even the right coach for all these young talents? Will Ted strike "gold" again with a Number 1 #1? At least the Wizards will make enough money to fund the Capitals towards their "Stanley Cup" Goals despite how the Wizards will finish in the standings. Things like profit sharing for staying under the Cap and lucrative TV contracts are why the NBA franchise will always be a more profitable option than the NHL.

Posted by: JohnWWW | July 12, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

@harrybalz,

"Before he got hurt, he stated point-blank that he wanted the Wizards to pick up his option."

Where did he say this?

Even if he did say this once, it doesn't change the fact that he understands the situation now as it is.

This may be post injury, but the tone is right:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/03/josh-howard-hopes-to-play-agai.html

"Howard was the main acquisition, from a talent and financial perspective, when the Wizards made their roster overhaul last month. The Wizards had no intention of picking the one-time all-star 's $11.8 million option next season, even before the knee injury. The team began touting the salary cap flexibility provided by his expiring contract immediately after acquiring him from Dallas for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

But according to two sources with knowledge of the Wizards' thinking, the team is considering re-signing Howard, albeit a price less than his option when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. The sources were encouraged with Howard, who averaged 14.5 points and 3.3 rebounds and brought a positive attitude and enthusiasm to a locker room in desperate need of a jolt. Howard said he would like to return to Washington next season, citing the Wizards' two first-round picks and significant cap room this summer.

I feel like I'm in a good place right here in Washington if they give me a shot. Great city, fans support. Another top-notch organization. Can't beat it. And I'm close to home," said Howard, a North Carolina native. The Wizards "gave me a fresh start. Being able to come to an organization that's great, leaving another great one where I learned a lot. I'm hoping that I can still teach people what I learned there."

Howard added that he is not concerned about joining a rebuilding situation with the Wizards. "Not at all. I had my opportunities to go through rebuilding before, in college [at Wake Forest]. It's nothing new to me. I'm looking forward to the challenge, if it's for me," he said. "You never know. Just got to wait and see. One way or another, I'm going to try to play somewhere, if not here, somewhere. It's up in the air right now."

Even with the injury Howard has options to play elsewhere.

Yet, unlike Miller and Livingston who heavily qualified their statements about staying in DC -- basically "I'm not ruling it out" -- which means "it's not my first choice" -- Howard clearly stated that DC was his first choice. How many players say this?

Posted by: JPRS | July 12, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5374210

"Haslem signed a five-year deal Monday worth around $20 million, more than $10 million less than he could have gotten had he accepted offers from the Dallas Mavericks and Denver Nuggets."

That's one guy who accepted less to play with the Heat. Having Bosh, Wade, and LBJ take less than the max to leave some cap space definitely helped.

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

@EdDC,

Why Howard?

It's one of those "it depends" situations. Of course, if there's a better veteran option, or a better young option you go that route -- especially taking price into account.

Howard has some risks -- there's the injury history and there's a lower risk on the personal baggage side of the equation. On the other side, he's a guy who showed last year that he still has skills. He's got a solid work ethic. He plays hard, and my sense is he'll be a solid role model. At the right price, he could be a solid acquisition for where this team is right now. I don't see many better options on the FA market at this point at SF.

Posted by: JPRS | July 12, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Why Josh Howard, an older guy coming off injury with declining skills? Wouldn't y'all prefer someone with upside? The Mavs were happy to trade him, since he was being phased out anyway.

If Howard had not played in those 4 games as a Wiz, would he still be your target?

Posted by: EdDC

Because you can't have all your guys just have 'upside'. You have to have some vets who've been there and done that, even if they're declining, to help teach the youngsters the nuances of NBA play. And also to play steadier than 'upside' guys who tend to be all over the place. The Wiz will have at least one or two upside guys at SF, whether it's Morgan or someone else, but it's good to have a bit of a veteran presence as well.

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Udonis Haslem, 10ppg, 10rpg, 50% shooting, can also be had for $7mil/year for 3 years. We cannot allow Miami (or Dallas which offered him $20mil for 3 years) to have all the talent. We can kill two birds (rebounding and toughness) with one stone.

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 12, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm a day late and dollar short on Udonis. Let's catch a fire and get Lous Scola. He's even better.

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 12, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is if the Wiz want a veteran wing man, Howard might be their best option because they probably won't (or can't) spend enough money to get somebody better in here and Howard's health problems might make him affordable.

We'd have to hope he recovers well enough and soon enough to be effective. The Wiz would have to make a judgement on that.

Posted by: cannontl | July 12, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Livingston is a keeper too. 6'7" and smooth as silk. 3 years for $12mil should do it, plus Lous Scola 3 years for $21mil, adds $11mil a year for 25~30ppg and 12rpg, and they both play Defense.

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 12, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I've told all of you he is a dunce and a dumb azz,he ain't got a clue on how to build a team, Childress was there for the taking but EG let him get away, same with Outlaw not that any of these guy's would want to play for Flip,Grunfeld got some of you fooled but like i said a year ago he's one of the dumbest GM's in the league.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 12, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Trade Gil to the Pistons for Prince, Wilcox and Summers(waive after camp). This would give the Wizards two veteran players (Prince and Wilcox)that will add depth and one (Prince) who avgd 13/5. Both have contracts that expire after this season.

Posted by: bindeda | July 12, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

@JPRS

"Where did he say this?"


"The Wizards have a team option worth $11.8 next season, but he understands that it is unlikely that he returns at that price. That won't stop him from trying to prove that he's worth it. "I know I ain't going to go out there and chuck up shots to get them to sign me. I want to work for it and make them see that I want that option," he said."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/02/josh-howard-reflects-on-past-p.html

"Even if he did say this once, it doesn't change the fact that he understands the situation now as it is."

And it doesn't change the fact that had the Wiz not picked up his option and he had stayed healthy, he would have been free to go anywhere he wanted.

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dargregmag | July 12, 2010 5:55 PM

When everybody was talking about Childress and Outlaw, dargregmag, what was your take on it? Did you come on the blog and say you were all for it? Or are you doing your favorite impression of bulletsfan78? You know, wait for the situation to play itself out, then argue that we should have done the opposite?

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Yet, unlike Miller and Livingston who heavily qualified their statements about staying in DC -- basically "I'm not ruling it out" -- which means "it's not my first choice" -- Howard clearly stated that DC was his first choice. How many players say this?

Posted by: JPRS

You believe in the Easter Bunny too?

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

sign Howard and let him heal with the team. let the rookie play to get better and with Yi they will be OK. for the key to this team is in the guard play by Wall, Gil. and Heinrich. also they can keep if he want to stay Livingston. he like to play the point but hes is a player and lot of heart. he ca play the point from the small forward.

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011 | July 12, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

If you know anything about my post on this blog i don't wait for anything to play itself out and then comment,but with a blog handle like "harrybalz" why am i even explaining myself to you!

Posted by: dargregmag | July 12, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

If you know anything about my post on this blog i don't wait for anything to play itself out and then comment,but with a blog handle like "harrybalz" why am i even explaining myself to you!

Posted by: dargregmag

Because you're a troll?

Now where's that post with you saying you were all for signing Childress?

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I've told all of you he is a dunce and a dumb azz,he ain't got a clue on how to build a team, Childress was there for the taking but EG let him get away, same with Outlaw not that any of these guy's would want to play for Flip,Grunfeld got some of you fooled but like i said a year ago he's one of the dumbest GM's in the league.

Posted by: dargregmag

They offered Childress a deal and he said no. Not sure what you want them to do at that point, because the alternative is to overpay. And then have guys like you complain a couple of years from now about how his salary is too big for his production.

Posted by: ts35 | July 12, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

@harrybalz

OK, so you are basically acknowledging that you can't find your source for the Howard quote (and may have just imagined it in your head, or made it up).

As far as the other points go, I'm not really clear what your point is.

Posted by: JPRS | July 12, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

@JPRS

"Where did he say this?"


"The Wizards have a team option worth $11.8 next season, but he understands that it is unlikely that he returns at that price. That won't stop him from trying to prove that he's worth it. "I know I ain't going to go out there and chuck up shots to get them to sign me. I want to work for it and make them see that I want that option," he said."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/02/josh-howard-reflects-on-past-p.html

"Even if he did say this once, it doesn't change the fact that he understands the situation now as it is."

And it doesn't change the fact that had the Wiz not picked up his option and he had stayed healthy, he would have been free to go anywhere he wanted.

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 6:08 PM

Reposting for you, JPRS.

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards have a team option worth $11.8 next season, but he understands that it is unlikely that he returns at that price. That won't stop him from trying to prove that he's worth it. "I know I ain't going to go out there and chuck up shots to get them to sign me. I want to work for it and make them see that I want that option," he said."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/02/josh-howard-reflects-on-past-p.html

Posted by: harrybalz | July 12, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"Howard's knee and ganja smoking are issues both with keeping him and him moving. He has to grow up and stop his foolish behaviour.

They have to move Zero; they have to change the culture and clean house of the idiots and malcontents"

AMEN!!

Posted by: slimjim21787 | July 12, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse


"However well-meaning Jesse may be in the premise on this one, he is, as he rarely is, mistaken," Stern said. "And I would have told him so had he called me before he issued his statement, rather than this morning. But he is a good friend of the NBA and our players. Has worked arduously on many good causes and we work together in many matters."

Translation:
The NBA will always kiss Jesse's butt and facilitate thug behavior.

ESPN = Reality TV

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

hessone = yyyyyyaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn

Posted by: tgif11 | July 12, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

If they can get Howard on the sheap than they should resign him. He played well with Thornton and the team was winning until he got injured. He had good chemistry with Thornton and they complimented each other. This injury also gives him alot to prove and he will give an A effort which means he will be a team player.

Posted by: Gusdaberean1 | July 13, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

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