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Kirk Hinrich: "It's great to be wanted"

By Michael Lee  |  July 26, 2010; 9:10 PM ET
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The guy's a leader. He's tough, smart, and a winner. He's going to get lots of minutes in the backcourt, with or without Gil.

Even if he's only a steadying influence on Wall, and he will be, he's well worth the money. But I think he'll be much more. We're going to want to resign him in a couple of years.

Posted by: zinger1 | July 26, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

good move by the wizards. hinrich is a pro's pro and should help bring some class and maturity to the locker room.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | July 26, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I was not a big fan of this move when it happened but Kirk is a pro and he'll hopefully get this team on the right track,with Wall and Gil in the backcourt Kirk can come in and give either one of them a blow and be effective,now if they could just find a coach.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 26, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Mike Miller part II

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 26, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

BF78: MM was soft, Kirk is not. BIG difference.

Posted by: MBUSA | July 26, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

MBUSA

I'm talking about the hype.

MM got the same kind of hype last year and how did that turned out?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 26, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

MBUSA

I meant the hype.

MM got the same knid of hype last year and how did that turn out?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 26, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I have major issues with getting Kirk. First, it's the money. He's getting paid way too much for a back-up point guard. Good backup pgs went for around $4 million per in Free Agency and Kirk makes $9 & 8 million per. Second, what does it accomplish? Are we a playoff team now that we have him. I don't think so. If the goal is to build through the draft then why trade for a 30 year old back-up point guard? Especially when you had other options with Livingston and Foye.

The only good thing to come from this press conference today was Kirk admitting that the mentoring of D. Rose was overblown. I didn't start hearing that until the Wiz traded for him. What I remember reading and hearing before we traded for this guy was how Chicago didn't want him anymore because they had D. Rose. It surprised me that EG even mentioned how Kirk mentored another No. 1 No 1 pick. Him saying that really makes me believe he knows he way a overpaid for this guy and he is trying to convince us that it was a great move.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | July 26, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 33dgriffin | July 26, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Completely disagree. I have been hearing more from Bulls fans and Chicago media how he mentored Rose. Then, it got picked up around here...I will take that. Secondly, they are not paying 9 mil the first year after you realize Chicago kicked in a bunch of money. It is close to the figure you mentioned above. Third, you cannot have a team with all young bucks. If you don't realize, this team is very talented. While Gil was a hard worker, he did not have as much leadership capabilities. I am hoping that with the combination of work ethic AND leadership, it'll rub off on someone like Nick Young (dont really have to worry about Wall, he seems to already be a student of the game).

In terms of pure basketball, he is also a big help. First, he brings tough nosed defense with a bull dog mentality...something necessary for this team. His versatility to play both one and the two is necessary with this team (esp since Nick Young is going to slide to the 3 a lot this year). He has to be able to play both the one (with Gil) or the two (with Wall). He has a very good 3 point stroke which can work very well with this team.

I am not going to lie, when this trade first happen, I didn't like it. But since the Wizards are making many other moves, it's not bad. He brings a bunch of key assets to make this team work. Now I only wish we had a hard nosed wily big man as well to compliment out bigs.

Posted by: merajc86 | July 26, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

edit***are NOT making many other moves

Posted by: merajc86 | July 27, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

"I have major issues with getting Kirk. posted by 33dgriffin"

I think most of those issues are based on the way you're interpreting the trade. Some counter-points:
1) Kirk is overpaid for a backup PG, but of course, he's not really a backup PG. He's a combo guard, and he started 58 of the 79 games he was active last season (73.4%), mostly at the SG spot. As ts35 pointed out, his team was significantly better when he started than when he didn't. His salary is partly offset by the 'cash considerations' that accompanied the deal, and the fact that next year his becomes an expiring contract.
2) We've been over the Livingston and Foye cases ad nauseam, so let's just agree that there were other factors involved in their leaving.
3) There's never been any indication from Ted Leonsis that he expects this team to be a playoff club, this year or even next. Kirk's contract will be over by then, so it's hard to argue that he was obtained to help Washington in a playoff situation.
4) Remember too how little Washington gave up in that trade (a past 2nd rounder) and that they received a number one pick as well. Chicago's intent was to dump salary in a vain hope to sign two max free agents. We know how that turned out. Chicago management has been explaining this unbalanced trade to disgruntled fans in just those terms.
5) Hinrich's name has come in a number of trade scenarios for several seasons, particularly since they drafted Rose. But in most cases it was for far more in trade than Washington offered.

We don't know how well the team will play next year, but we're talking about a club which will probably start a rookie PG, a SG who's still be monitored by the DC criminal courts, a PF coming off foot surgery, and a C who is among the worst post defenders in the conference.

LOL I'd say Kirk Hinrich is among the least of Ernie Grunfeld's worries.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Middling player who is very much overpaid, but you have to have a white guy on the roster (come on, we all know it) and he's defensive minded so why not considering the team has eschewed spending money anywhere else. I just hope he plays really well because his minutes will be untouchable regardless of what he does on the floor.

Impressive to hear him downplaying that mentor nonsense, always like to see a guy who doesnt buy into his own hype.

If Seraphin pans out it looks like a great move, if he doesnt it's neither here nor there as Hinrich would seem to be more suited to helping a better team at this point in his career.

Actually do feel bad for him as you know he absolutely wishes he was still in Chicago considering how much they just improved, but he seems like the type who will give 100% at all times regardless and ya gotta love that. Wanted every shot he ever took to miss for the past 7 years, but here's to a career year now!

Posted by: divi3 | July 27, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

"Middling player who is very much overpaid, but you have to have a white guy on the roster (come on, we all know it) "

Posted by: divi3 | July 27, 2010 1:50 AM

Wow. And with that, your transformation into DCMan is complete.

Seriously, what the hell happened to you?

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 27, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

As for Hinrich . . . he is what he is: A solid, unspectacular player who doesn't make a lot of highlight plays but also doesn't make a lot of mistakes. He's not a guy whose presence is going to transform a team but he's definitey a guy who can help.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 27, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow. And with that, your transformation into DCMan is complete.

Seriously, what the hell happened to you?

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 27, 2010 2:21 AM

Oh please, do you honestly think such concerns arent part of management thinking on every team? It's just part of the business of the league, nothing more nothing less. Funny you call me "DC_Mann" and in the very next post say that Hinrich is basically an ok player who we're now paying $17mill to be a backup.

I've been to 30-35 games per season for years and will tell you right now Kirk will be top2 most popular player on the team the day he sets foot on court just like Mike Miller was. There's nothing wrong with it and no judgment is involved, just reality of the business.

Posted by: divi3 | July 27, 2010 2:42 AM | Report abuse

divi3

When they traded for Yi everyone said it was a smart move since it will help attract people form Chinatown...

Now you bring up Ernie trading for another average white guy and you get grief?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 27, 2010 3:59 AM | Report abuse

Hey Ted! Clean up the Verizon Center!

Report on stadium food finds bad conditions:

Verizon Center (Washington D.C.) — Mice droppings, a critical violation in Washington, were found at at least 10 vendors.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/Vendors-at-professional-sports-venues-are-dirtie?urn=top-258254


Posted by: MeviousMan | July 27, 2010 4:26 AM | Report abuse

Samson151,

Excellent points and I would like to emphasize that Hinrich is here as Gilbert insurance:

1.) Gilbert’s knee
2.) If we are lucky enough to trade Gilbert then Hinrich can easily start alongside of Wall.
3.) If Gilbert is disruptive then we can send him home ala Marbury and start Hinrich instead.

Posted by: MeviousMan | July 27, 2010 4:39 AM | Report abuse

"3.) If Gilbert is disruptive then we can send him home ala Marbury and start Hinrich instead.Posted by: MeviousMan"

I sure hope it doesn't come to that. Talk about distraction...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2010 4:53 AM | Report abuse

"... as Hinrich would seem to be more suited to helping a better team at this point in his career. posted by divi3"

He's definitely on a team that could struggle, and I'm sure he's aware of it. t Leonsis has been hinting at that when he refers to Wall as the first building block.

Nonetheless the Chicago fans like Hinrich. They also boo him mercilessly when he misses a big shot.

"Actually do feel bad for him as you know he absolutely wishes he was still in Chicago considering how much they just improved, but he seems like the type who will give 100% at all times regardless and ya gotta love that."

Hinrich would probably rather have stayed in Chicago, but then if he and Brad Miller hadn't left, the Bulls probably couldn't have added all the pieces they did.

"Wanted every shot he ever took to miss for the past 7 years, but here's to a career year now!"Posted by: divi3"

I gotta admit, this doesn't sound 100% sincere.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2010 5:09 AM | Report abuse

"Oh please, do you honestly think such concerns arent part of management thinking on every team? It's just part of the business of the league, nothing more, nothing less." posted by divi3

LOL so is that why when Chicago lost Brad Miller and Hinrich, they had to add Korver?

No question that NBA games are mostly attended by white folks who are there to watch black folks play basketball. But the preponderance of 'players of color' doesn't seem to have hurt attendance or viewership among white audiences. I imagine most people regard that as a sign of progress.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2010 5:21 AM | Report abuse

"As for Hinrich . . . he is what he is: A solid, unspectacular player who doesn't make a lot of highlight plays but also doesn't make a lot of mistakes. He's not a guy whose presence is going to transform a team but he's definitey a guy who can help.
Posted by: kalo_rama"

"Funny you call me "DC_Mann" and in the very next post say that Hinrich is basically an ok player who we're now paying $17mill to be a backup.posted by divi3"

Just wanted to point out that the second post really distorts the meaning of the first. Let's hope we don't get into that bad habit around here.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2010 5:26 AM | Report abuse

"The Cleveland Cavaliers completed their first post-LeBron James personnel move on Monday night, trading troubled guard Delonte West and point guard Sebastian Telfair to the Minnesota Timberwolves for point guard Ramon Sessions, 7-footer Ryan Hollins and a future second-round pick."

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2010 5:32 AM | Report abuse

I know alot of people have been wondering about the progress of Kevin Seraphin and his knee injury. The Wizards worked him out on July 9th, a day after the acquision was finally made official. Here is link ti the workout.

http://www.truthaboutit.net/tag/kevin-seraphin

Posted by: spades72 | July 27, 2010 5:59 AM | Report abuse

"When they traded for Yi everyone said it was a smart move since it will help attract people form Chinatown...Now you bring up Ernie trading for another average white guy and you get grief?Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Actually, it wasn't 'everyone' who said Yi's presence would attract interest in 'Chinatown'. A few folks noted that it might draw interest from the Chinese viewing audience, based on Yao's popularity in China. But 'Chinatown' is mainly a shopping and business district at this point; most Chinese-born in the Washington area live elsewhere.

One thing about Insider: it just never happens that 'everyone' agrees on anything. The mode of this blog is dissent.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Here's a commentary on the pluses and minuses of the Hinrich and Yi trades, from back on July 8. Don't know if the author feels the same way now. But it was interesting reading.

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2010/07/thoughts-on-the-hinrich-trade-and-salary-cap-implications.html

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2010 6:13 AM | Report abuse

"Mike Miller part II"

Yes and No.

I think Hinrich plays better defense the Miller by a long shot, and he also plays the point.

Miller was a "jack of all trades" type of player, but his willingness to kiss Lebrons butt and follow him to Miami now makes me realize he doesn't know the meaning of the word "team" and I think Hinrich gets it.

All in all, Hinrich is a "rental" and EG got him at last two years too late. That's where I see the similarities.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 27, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

It is my prayer that the Arenas "naysayers" will not commit suicide when this incident blows over as his name is restored by his behavior and excellent play. At such a time finally writers and commentors will be limited in what they write or talk about. To whom it may concern: Find another "conversation piece" since this team (under new ownership)is"moving on" and no longer living in the past.

Posted by: esmith4 | July 27, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Overall Ernie hasn't done a bad job this summer, and he seems to have manuvered to have some flexibility going forward.

Hinrich is great insurance behind Wall, there are going to be nights that the kid gets flustered and needs some settling down. Having a vet like Hinrich to come in and run the point while Sam gets in Wall's ear is an ideal situation.

Hinrich also frees Gil to come into camp clearly able to concentrate on being a scorer at the 2 guard. Other then Arenas there's not a really proven scorer on the roster. If Gil turns out to be the sour apple some on this site predict, Hinrich is well able to start at the 2.

Hinrich also gives Ernie the option of listening to offers for Gil. If the Wiz ship Gil out they should recoup more then just future cap space. My understanding is that they were asking for Gortat to be included in a possible Carter deal with the Magic. Hinrich and Young could hold down the 2 if a favorable offer for Gil comes up. If they get Carter in a deal, I'd look for Vince to be bought out or shipped out at the deadline.

Seraphin sure seems to have the body that the Wizards have lacked for years. He could well be the physical type player at the 4/5 that could change the team's soft image.

The big question is how soon will he be able to contribute meaningful minutes. If he's not up to it this year, another big man seems to required.

The Yi seems to be a good solid gamble, the guy would seem to have some upside potential. I'm wondering what effect now being the main man on Team China will have on his game, he's always been the second fiddle in China, so he's going to be thrust into a lead role there now.

Yi's got some nice tools, he just hasn't put it together yet. Will he here? I'm not about to declare that he will, but the cost of finding out was dirt cheap. If the guy blooms under Flip it could turn out to be a bargain. If he plays much 3 the Wiz will likely use some zone.

Ernie's got the flexibility to renounce the rights to Yi, Thorton, and Young, next summer if he needs the room to make a run at a major FA. So he's got another year to see how these guys pan out and then he can make a decision on them.

I'd still think we may see a veteran big that has some ability to bang a little signed, and I wonder if there is still a thought of bringing Josh Howard back on a contract with a club option for additional years.

But overall Leonsis isn't in a hurry, he wants to build the same way he built the Caps so pushing for a playoff berth isn't a priority this season. Player development is...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 27, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Oh please, do you honestly think such concerns arent part of management thinking on every team? It's just part of the business of the league, nothing more nothing less.
Posted by: divi3

There's an element of that that used to be more present in the NBA (and other sports), but it's less true now than it used to be. Kids today could really care less. They like the guys they play in video games. If there's an aspect to the 'have a couple of white guys on the team' it comes from the owners these days more than the fans, imo. And I don't sense that Ted is that kind of owner.

That's not to say that there aren't still strong elements of race and culture at play in the NBA, there obviously are. I just don't think 'token white guy' is a significant one anymore.

You've been down on Hinrich since the trade, and that's your prerogative. Who knows how it will play out? Who knows if Kirk will be a good role model for Wall or if he will the kind of 'gritty' player we hope he is? But I do think Kirk has established enough bona fides as a player in this league to leave the race issue out of it.

Posted by: ts35 | July 27, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"Oh please, do you honestly think such concerns arent part of management thinking on every team?"

No, I honestly don't. Do I think it my be a concern on some teams? Possibly. Every team? No (esp. not good ones). The Wizards? Not in regard to Hinrich since there's no question he's a proven player valued for what he does on the court.

Now, if they'd traded for Brian "Veal" Scalabrine it might be a different issue.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 28, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

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