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Looking back at Wizards summer league


Did you like what you saw? (NBAE/Getty Images)


You never want to get overly excited about summer league -- with its wide open, get-yours, empty-calorie style of basketball -- but the Wizards certainly have little to feel discouraged about after returning from Las Vegas with a 4-1 record. They easily could've been 5-0 had John Wall and JaVale McGee -- the best point guard and center, respectively, in Las Vegas last week -- played in an overtime loss to the New York Knicks in the finale.

I left Vegas after the first two games, but it was enough for me to see that John Wall certainly has the goods to be something special at the NBA level. Wall was named Most Outstanding Player in Las Vegas after leading all players in scoring (23.5 points) and assists (7.8). He has blazing quickness, excellent instincts and makes his teammates better by inspiring them to play up to his level.

Wall's leadership, feel for the game and willingness to learn and accept coaching really stood out. His speed should really help him in the NBA, where the league's no-hand-check rules will either let him blow past his opponents or make frequent trips to the foul line; he practically lived there as he averaged nearly 12 attempts a game.

His jump shot still needs improvement (he shot just 37.7 percent and missed 7 of 8 three-point attempts) and his turnovers (5.3) were a tad high for a 40-minute game. But those are areas where Wall definitely can get better with practice and better familiarity with his teammates. I saw him make a lot of passes that his teammates seemed surprised to receive and unprepared to catch. You have to be somewhat encouraged that after 16 turnovers in the first two games, Wall only had five in the last two games. Wall still managed to put on a show even while watching in street clothes.

McGee was certainly the greatest benefactor of Wall's presence. He was also on the Las Vegas All-Tournament team after averaging 19.5 points and 9.3 rebounds. The Wizards have always encouraged McGee to simply focus on running the floor and grabbing rebounds and not to worry about scoring. McGee stuck with the game plan, for the most part, and found himself playing alongside a teammate who not only was looking for him, but was also able to deliver passes in the spots where only McGee could get it (as in, anywhere high above the rim).

Wall and McGee certainly have developed a unique connection, which was a positive development. It also should encourage the Wizards to play a bit more uptempo next season, since there won't be a faster point guard-center combination in the league.

At the very least, Cartier Martin and Lester Hudson earned invites to training camp after both players proved to be competent NBA players. Martin averaged 13.4 points and four rebounds, while Lester Hudson averaged 11.2 points shot 48 percent from beyond the three-point line.

But Wall left an indelible impression on those who watched him in Las Vegas.

David Aldridge wrote on NBA.com: "John Wall has got It ... It is hope. And excitement. And charisma. And leadership. And talent. John Wall has all of those things, so he has It, and It can take a team places if It's harnessed and focused and driven. Or It can't, if hubris and recklessness and sloth replace those former qualities. It's up to the guy."

Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports wrote, "He displayed leadership and accepted coaching - both important traits for someone who will be the centerpiece of the Wizards' rebuilding."

Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix wrote, "All week the No. 1 pick in last month's draft has been a man among boys, a cliché, sure, but one that rings true when you break down Wall's game to individual plays. For instance, there are the coast-to-coast drives that take less time than most need to unlock their BlackBerry (four seconds are the unofficial average)."

Kevin Arnovitz wrote for ESPN.com, "The superlatives and comps were flowing freely: Derrick Rose with defense and charisma. Chris Paul with better size. Rajon Rondo with more upside on his jump shot."


By Michael Lee  |  July 19, 2010; 1:12 PM ET
Categories:  JaVale McGee , John Wall  | Tags: John Wall, washington wizards  
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JWOW ftw

Posted by: prescrunk | July 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, the scroll wheel is happy again.

Posted by: ts35 | July 19, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

After catching bits and pieces of seeing Wall in LV, I came away with an enormous amount of optimistic hope. Hope in that we trade Gilbert Arenas.

Wall is legit. Arenas will poison Wall's growth and ability to be a vocal leader on this team.

I can easily envision Gil's stubbornness in accepting Wall's leadership role, and jealousy will ensue and not only make the Wizards a worse team, but ultimately stunt Wall's growth as an elite point guard in this league.

Trade Gil now. Before it's too late.

Posted by: maxer18 | July 19, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Damn Maxer18, do you know jGil or something? Have you actaully met Gil or sat down and had a conversation with him? I am trying to figure out where you got these definitive statments about his personality because prior to his ill advised gun joke most if not all of the Wizards at that time, like Gilbert as a teammate. They never used any of the adjectives you used to describe Gil other than having a zany personality. Gil will be here in a Wiz uniform next year, he will play his ares off and you and all of the Gil haters will eat you words. You may ask why most of my posts defend Gil, no I don't know him personally but I am sick to death of people who act like their behind don't stink and who has not ever done anything foolish. Gil has served his time, been ridiculed, crucified and to add insult to injury, lost a boat load of money. What more do you want from this young man. Give him a chance to redeem himself and if he cuts a nut then call him a lost cause but at least let the man make amends for his transgressions where he did them before tossing him aside. I have a good feeling that most Gil-hater posters are going to be eating their words next season.

Posted by: ivyleague | July 19, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"What more do you want from this young man."

Anything but doing what he did to this team the last 3 seasons; let them down.

Some of it was injury, some of it rust, some of it plain stupidity on or off the court.

Plain and simple, Arenas cannot and should not be trusted in any sense to benefit this team.

Having said that, we're stuck with him this season, so anything he does provide will be a major bonus in my book. And I do know he has a boatload of talent, so his potential play could be a huge boost.

I'm just not foolish enough to rely on it.

I will say this, though: before Wall was drafted, I was very much skeptical of pairing him with any of the 'knuckleheads' previously on the roster (most notably Arenas). Young athletes are very impressionable, and no matter how much you want to sugarcoat his zany personality, Arenas is not the man you want young athletes to follow - despite his noted work ethic. He's not a leader, he doesn't have what it takes to set a winning tone in the locker room, and he's too unpredictable on and off the court.

I was nervous for Wall's development under a mentor of that nature.

Not anymore. After following Wall since we won the lottery, I've come away more and more impressed with his demeanor every day.

Wall isn't the type of man that will be affected by questionable personalities around him. He's the type of man that affects questionable personalities in an undeniably positive manner. He was exactly what this team needed: a dedicated, mature, professional athlete that plays the game right way and approaches his development even better, with the talent to demand respect on top of it all.

It's the total package.

We finally have the man to whip the rest of the team mentally in shape.

And that includes Arenas.

Posted by: psps23 | July 19, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Every time someone points out the obvious here--that Arenas needs to be traded ASAP--5 or 6 idiots chime in with abuse of the poster. Fact is, nobody here has "sat down and had a conversation with him". Nobody needs to. Because only a child doesn't know that actions speak louder than words. And Arenas' actions (and inaction) these past few years have drowned out anything that anybody here could say convincingly in his defense.

The man has been a disgrace to his team and himself and has let down every single one of his fans consistently. And nothing about his behavior since his joke of a jail sentence suggests any genuine change of personality. Quite the reverse. All those rumors being fed to media shills like Charles Barkley that Arenas is unhappy with the attention Wall is getting and wants out can only have one possible source: Arenas himself.

Anybody who still believes that Arenas has the best interests of the Wizards and the Washington fan in mind is doomed to heartbreak.

Posted by: KTV1 | July 19, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

He didn't let them down. Quiet as it's kept, Butler was the real distraction last season not Gilbert.

Posted by: ivyleague | July 19, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, we will see about that this season won't we. One of us will be wrong and if it is me, I will humbly submit my apologies but I happen to be a believer in second chances and know about all of the good things he has done am willing to pay my hard earned cash to see him redeem himself whether he is a Wizard or not.

Posted by: ivyleague | July 19, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

lol are you serious? Dude pulls a gun on a teammate in the locker room and gets suspended for the season, and "he didn't let them down?"

Some people believe what they want to believe, i guess.

Posted by: psps23 | July 19, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Well, we will see about that this season won't we. One of us will be wrong and if it is me, I will humbly submit my apologies but I happen to be a believer in second chances and know about all of the good things he has done off the court and am willing to pay my hard earned cash to see him redeem himself whether he is a Wizard or not. And if he breaks my heart then, so be it.

Posted by: ivyleague | July 19, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

All those rumors being fed to media shills like Charles Barkley that Arenas is unhappy with the attention Wall is getting and wants out can only have one possible source: Arenas himself.

Why? People make up stuff all the time just to make themselves more important. Remember the source Peter Vescey used during the initial days of the gun incident, Kendrick "Bookie Ball" Long? Supposedly some friend of Crit's down in Atlanta who said that Gil and Crit drew on each other? We'll never know 100% for sure what happened in that locker room, but sure doesn't seem to have been that.

How about the report that flashed a week or so ago that Arenas had torn his ACL training with Grover? Arenas make that one up?

You spent your first paragraph making a rational, reasonable argument for trading Gil, then cap it of with the kind of unprovable nonsense you speak against at the top.

Posted by: ts35 | July 19, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

As for letting the team down, none of them played particulary well last year except Brendan. Butler wanted to be the head honcho and blew more than a couple of games wanting to be the one to carry the team instead of following the coaches wishes. As I said before, other than the gun incident, it was Butler who was the distraction in the locker room not Gilbert. This, from some who are in the know.

Posted by: ivyleague | July 19, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Gil is alright with me. He was very foolish and privledged because he has probably been a star ball player most of his life. Those kind of people have never been forced to fall back and shut the EFF up. Hopefully he can get that and I don't think it's unreasonable it could happen. The gun incident was terrible. It may take place in other locker rooms as well but for him to assume he does not tneed to be discreet is very idiotic. Besides that, his other mishaps would not get a second thought if the team was winning more. They did not win more because the "Big Three" philosophy was flawed. All one on one ISO players that can't pass to save their lives.

As far as peoples microscopic judgement of Gil, (and most fortunate entertainers) how else can you put yourself up high if you don't step on a few?

Posted by: millineumman | July 19, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

If Gil could be traded he'd be long gone, but he cant so he's here. It's that simple. Most of the people clamoring to run him out of town seem to forget that no other team wants him at his price.

And for those talking "buyout" go ahead and email Leonsis that he should spend $80mill to pay a player to become a FA just a few months after he bought the team. I'm sure a neophyte businessman such as himself would appreciate that kind of sage advice.

Posted by: divi3 | July 19, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I realy do not know where people get all these negatives about Arenas,he did bad to the team and more to himself.The reason to trade arenas has noting to do with the feer of spoiling wall,failure to play with wall or locker room problem.
Arenas and wizard has failed, he is not part of the rebuilding block.He is going to rebuild his image and return to his all star level unless his Knee is limiting him.both arenas and the club havce a mutual relationship,he is givcen the chance to work for his image they get his value mainly in his future trade.both his value and image are not good at this time.
please do not undermine what he did to this club,he put us in playoff that we have never seen it in 10 years.let all of us gie him a chance.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 19, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"I can easily envision Gil's stubbornness in accepting Wall's leadership role, and jealousy will ensue and not only make the Wizards a worse team, but ultimately stunt Wall's growth as an elite point guard in this league."

Oh, well if YOU can envision it...

Posted by: IrenePollin | July 19, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The dumbest thing the Wiz could do is to sell Gil for pennies on the dollar right now.

Like psps23 said, expect nothing from Gil right now, anything we get is a bonus.

Gil avg.'ed 23 points a game last yr. before the gun fiasco. If he produces well between now and the trade deadline, maybe Grunfeld can ship him out for a another peice to the puzzle.

If Gil and Wall develop a chemistry, then the team could have the potent scorer that the roster other wise lacks.

Selling Gil at rock bottem prices isn't the best way to help rebuild a team. It's in Gil's best interest to produce on the floor, he's not doing it for the fans.

Anybody who believes that NBA players are playing for the "best interests of the fans" in somewhat out of touch.

LeBron James just really kept the interests of his fans in Cleveland at heart. But you know what, there's not a team in the league that wouldn't take him tomorrow...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 19, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

speaking of Lebron....how about Derrick Rose refusing to call him to try and sell him on the Bulls? May have cost'ya a ring young buck, but I like your style

Posted by: divi3 | July 19, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm taking bets on how many game winning shots it'll take before the naysayers start ----ing Gil's ---s again. The line is 5 and I take the under.

Giving Arenas away is just plain stupid. He's an asset. If John Wall can be 'poisoned' by someone, then he's weak minded and we dont want him anyway. This whole proposition that a guy who's been marginalized can somehow negatively affect the whole team makes no sense to me. Even if Gil were so inclined (and I seriously doubt he's that stupid given all he's been through in the past year), I don't think he'd be able to corrupt Wall. How about we give JW the benefit of the doubt and assume that he has a mind of his own.

Posted by: original_mark | July 19, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Listening to his interviews and hearing what NBA insiders have to say about J Wall, I'm of the impression that Wall knows who he is and where he wants to go.

Frankly, assuming health, I see Gil and Wall as an upgrade over Gil and Hughes.

Posted by: bozomoeman | July 19, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Gil is a headcase. The only person that knows how he will react to Wall is Gil's Psychiatrist, even his guess is 50/50.

Posted by: kfrazec | July 19, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"This whole proposition that a guy who's been marginalized can somehow negatively affect the whole team makes no sense to me."

How can it not make sense? You're a Wizards fan who watched one event single-handedly implode an entire team merely 8 months ago.

It happens all over sports. Ron Artest did it to Indiana, who were title contenders. Terrell Owens did it to San Fransisco and Philadelphia in the NFL, one of which was a perennial playoff participant, the other a Super Bowl runner-up. Heck, even Kobe Bryant marred a dynasty by forcing the trade of a Finals MVP and the firing of the winningest coach in playoff history (fortunately for LA, Kobe and his FO had the ability to get it back).

I'm not saying Arenas is likely to repeat the past, but to think that one player cannot adversely affect the rest of his teammates is naivete at its finest.

Posted by: psps23 | July 19, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The whole team leadership thing is another reason for the Wiz to pursue Shaq Daddy.

Shaq could still give the team 15-30 min of production a night at center. But he could also serve as official foil to reporters and fans that want to put too much pressure on Wall.

There isn't a thing in the NBA that Shaq hasn't seen. Including two young ego's that are trying to train wreck a team. Because he was one of them once.

It may sound strange, but the pairing of Wall and the Wizards and Shaq could make some sense. At first glance it may not fit with Leonsis's building plan, but having Shaq around would slot all of the frontline players into more comfortable roles while they matured.

I could see Shaq really relishing playing with the game's next big thing in Wall. It could really jumpstart the whole rebuilding project.

Shaq Daddy could have a ball with needling at Bron and the other front runners and keeping the pressure off the kids. I'm telling you guys, it could work...

And Mark I take 4 on the Arenas over under...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 19, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"As I said before, other than the gun incident, it was Butler who was the distraction in the locker room not Gilbert. This, from some who are in the know."

Posted by: ivyleague


Such authoritative words, I'm intrigued. So were you in the locker room? If not you, then who was?

Posted by: Miks | July 19, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"As I said before, other than the gun incident, it was Butler who was the distraction in the locker room not Gilbert. This, from some who are in the know."

Posted by: ivyleague


Such authoritative words, I'm intrigued. So were you in the locker room? If not you, then who was?

He didn't have to be. It was well known that both Brendan Haywood and Gilbert Arenas were talking about Caron Butler being the issue on the team. Many thought Gil and Haywood were talking about each other but it later came out that they were talking about Butler. You almost might remember the infamous ending to the January 20th game against Dallas where Butler broke the play to win the game himself. The evidence is there. People are going to believe what they want, but this team was done way before the gun incident and Arenas was not the biggest problem with this team.

Posted by: meatkins | July 19, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

All Gil needs to do to shut everyone up is give the fans and the organization a heart felt public APOLOGY and then we can all move on with our lives. I look forward to seeing him do that sooner than later.

Posted by: Stevie-J | July 19, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

yo can one of you anti gil guys fill me in on why you consider gil the second coming of terrell owens? The past three years i dont remember gilbert calling out coaches or being a bad teammate. I remember him being hurt. Prior to last season he was hurt. Unless there were some stories that didnt get printed i dont understand where the "gilbert's a bad guy' crap comes from.

And as for the gun incident. It was a dumb prank. The guns weren't loaded and it was a bad decision. A very bad decision. But that doesn't make him a bad person, it makes him stupid. There is a difference people. Pacman Jones is a bad person. Gilbert played a dumb joke.
so like I said; besides the incredibly stupid prank what makes him a bad dude? Cuz it sounds like a lot of people are hating on a dude for blowing out his knee

Posted by: zvick11 | July 19, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"JWOW ftw

Posted by: prescrunk | July 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse "

You're welcome.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 19, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: yukiwith2us | July 19, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

i hear people posting on this board that we shouldn't trade gilbert now because we will get pennies for him now, we need to wait until the season to show his worth.

Well, what if he busts up his knees for a 4th time?

What do we have then? A gimpywith a monster clogging salary.

I prefer the pennies and the cap relief now.

He basically a subprime mortgage right now. Get rid of it now before it defaults.

LOL. I'm here all night.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | July 19, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I kind of take both sides here. There's no excuse for what Gil did last season. It was a bonehead move. But let's be honest here, Arenas was never a team leader. He never wanted to be. He even said so on more than one occasion. Jamison was more the team leader. Arenas was the talent.

Regardless, the team was spiraling down before that incident. It just didn't work anymore. It was obvious that Arenas and Butler, now that he had been the go-to guy for a couple of seasons, had no chemistry. And Haywood was anchoring a defense that had nobody else who either couldn't, or wouldn't help. And the coaching was not getting through to the big three.

Butler, at his best, should never be more than the third best player on his team. I know a lot of people liked his attitude and hard work, but his ceiling just isn't high enough.

In retrospect, the locker room incident was a blessing in disguise. It forced management to really look at the makeup of the team, and, thankfully, decide to start over. Then we had the luck with the draft.


As for Arenas negatively affecting Wall, I'm not worried. Wall shows more leadership ability and self-confidence than anyone that's been on our team in a while. Plus, Wall has the backing of the entire management, and the fans. Also, since he clearly likes to get the ball into his teammates hands, he's going to make everyone playing with him like him. Lastly, Arenas knows that his financial and basketball future rely upon his ability to be on the court. Whether he wants to play for the Wiz or another team, he needs to be a choirboy during this season to make either happen.

Posted by: segastyle | July 19, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

LOL I see we're back to arguing about Arenas. Yes, he's still a good player, maybe better than good. Yes, he can still play in the NBA and help a team. That doesn't make him a good candidate for another year in Washington.

I'm still hopeful that one of the clubs that lost out in the FA chase will decide to absorb his contract, maybe in exchange for an undesirable of their own.

Somebody here pointed out that the only evidence we have for guesstimating Gilbert's likely impact on younger players is the impact he had on Javaris Crittenton.

Best to ship him out. If you can get something of value for the guy, great.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

JWOW is the worst John Wall nickname ever. I'm not hatin on U DC_Man88 i just can't stop thinking about that chicks rack whenever i read JWOW.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

you GUYS are Gil Haters. Where is you common sense besides Gill who would you give the ball to 5 secs left NO T.O. "JaVale McGee" be real where is your basketball sense. Wizards needs him dummy's GIL is not a cancer to the team i think you guys are the Cancer "Haters" further more why worry about Wall/Gil are they paying your bills stop the whinning and go eat a burger.

Posted by: deisel_ | July 19, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

lol are you serious? Dude pulls a gun on a teammate in the locker room and gets suspended for the season, and "he didn't let them down?"

Some people believe what they want to believe, i guess.

Posted by: psps23 | July 19, 2010 2:53 PM

Well except the fact that Gilbert layed the unloaded guns out and asked Crit to pick one. In reference to Crit threat the evening before about shooting him.

Gil did not draw a weapon and threaten to shoot him. Just a small descrpency. ;)

I don't think anyone would argue with you that Gil let the team down last year. But given so far the extent of the interest in him do far is trading Eddie Curry I would rather keep Gil instead of that.

The new owner had a sit down with him and decided to give him a second chance. I am cool with that.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | July 19, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Cheers to the hope that Gilbert's been playin' basketball, workin' hard, and comes out with a chip on his shoulder next year. Fact is, the Wizards best chance of being respectable/good next year is with Gilbert playing well.

We all want the Wiz to be good, right?

Wall and Gilbert can coexist and be a potent tandem.

Posted by: msveasey | July 19, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

To all those who are dumping on Gilbert. I pity John Wall if he ever stumbles.

Posted by: Provocatuer | July 19, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"To all those who are dumping on Gilbert. I pity John Wall if he ever stumbles.

Posted by: Provocatuer | July 19, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse "

Don't get ahead of yourself.

Until JWow throws a coming out party, undermines his coach, bashes his teammates, bashes the franchise for not protecting him from himself, runs with a parachute, packs heat in the locker room, etc., don't expect too much dumping on JWow. He's saying and doing all the right things now.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 19, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"Cheers to the hope that Gilbert's been playin' basketball, workin' hard, and comes out with a chip on his shoulder next year. Fact is, the Wizards best chance of being respectable/good next year is with Gilbert playing well.

We all want the Wiz to be good, right?

Wall and Gilbert can coexist and be a potent tandem.

Posted by: msveasey | July 19, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse "

Gilby is not the face nor the future of this franchise anymore. He's an overpaid max money player with knee issues. He's better off like Juwan when he was here, on another team.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 19, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line: when Gil was the man on this team, we were a losing team.

He needs to take a seat back and let this new era dawn. I really wish that he could just adjust his salary, and give some money back...go get traded and try to revive his career somewhere else. Because i am one of the skeptics who think Arenas will be very jealous and will stunt the growth of Wall.

The franchise is like a cute girlfriend and Arenas was the old boyfriend. Wall is the new boyfriend. How is the old boyfriend seriously going to react to that?

but if he does co-operate and changes his ways, then our team could definitley sneak into the 8th seed.

ps- hahahah @ Antawn Jamison thinking he was gonna get a ring in cleveland.

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

JWOW ftw

Posted by: prescrunk | July 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse "

You're welcome.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 19, 2010 4:40 PM

YOU'RE welcome.
btw have u registered yet? You will be top 4 in the east (at least) this season

http://www.sportswriters.net/membership/usbwa/index.html

Posted by: prescrunk | July 19, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why this post became a heated discussion about Gilbert -- no other team would trade for Arenas given all the uncertainties and his high salary, so it would seem to be in everybody's benefit for Gilbert to play well this year. Why isn't there more discussion about J Magee? Where was this guy last year? Could J Magee be legit? This footage is amazing!

Posted by: dannykurland1 | July 19, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

A "journalist" who doesn't know the difference between "benefactor" and "beneficiary." Love it.

Posted by: TheophilusS | July 19, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Gill and Wall will be great together. They will be like the Pistons had with Isiah and Dumars. Gill can shoot and drive. Wall will learn to shoot and he already can drive and plays great D. The key to success for this team is not the players but Flips ability to use the gifts Blatche and McGee bring. Up until now I haven't seen his ablility to do this. His offense is a joke. It's worse than the Princeton and that's saying something. Hey Flip try passin the ball to a post player in the post. I'm tired of the high pick and shoot a jumper offense.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 19, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I am not a thug or a gangster but I did grow up in Anacostia. To my knowledge no one got shot in the so called gun fiasco centered around Arenas. I haven't even read in depth about it but I don't need too. I know no one got shot. Gil makes 8 figures. If he had any intention to harm he could have made it happen remotely. He shouldn't even a had to go to court over that crap.

The only thing we need to say to Gilbert is "CONCENTRATE ON LOCKING DOWN THE MAN IN FRONT OF YOU!"

That should be the fans and staff's only concern with agent zero or whatever he chooses to call himself this year.

Don't you think it's disrespectful to John Wall to think that Gilbert will poison him. Good God Man! North Carolina folk are not that green. Come on. John Wall probably got more real street in him than Gil ever had. Like I said, "No one got shot." If Gil were serious on that level we would be talking about a different type of story.

Posted by: AscotAmos | July 19, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

It happens all over sports. Ron Artest did it to Indiana, who were title contenders. Terrell Owens did it to San Fransisco and Philadelphia in the NFL, one of which was a perennial playoff participant, the other a Super Bowl runner-up. Heck, even Kobe Bryant marred a dynasty by forcing the trade of a Finals MVP and the firing of the winningest coach in playoff history (fortunately for LA, Kobe and his FO had the ability to get it back).

I'm not saying Arenas is likely to repeat the past, but to think that one player cannot adversely affect the rest of his teammates is naivete at its finest.

Posted by: psps23 | July 19, 2010 3:48 PM

None of the situations you cite parallel the status of Arenas in the upcoming season. All of the guys you mentioned were leading/feature players on contending teams. Arenas will be a side attraction on a lottery team. Those players were all holding the keys to the car. Arenas is sitting in the back, in he middle, over the hump. Because of the degree to which their teams depended on them, those players all had leverage and clout. Arenas has none.

If push comes to shove and Arenas does become a distraction, Flip, Ernie, and Co. will think nothing of telling him to take his however-many-millions and go home and giving his PT to Hinrich. They have nothing to lose by his absence, because his presence isn't really gain them much in the big picture. It's not like his performance will be the difference between winning and not winning a title. At best it'll he the difference between a low and a high lottery pick.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 19, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

"I can easily envision Gil's stubbornness in accepting Wall's leadership role, and jealousy will ensue and not only make the Wizards a worse team, but ultimately stunt Wall's growth as an elite point guard in this league."

Oh, well if YOU can envision it...

Posted by: IrenePollin | July 19, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I always get a kick out of it when Mrs. Pollin comes in here and spews a little bile at a poster. Agree or disagree w/ her, you have to admit she has style. Way to bring home the #1 pick, Mrs. P...

Posted by: randysbailin | July 19, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

"YOU'RE welcome.
btw have u registered yet? You will be top 4 in the east (at least) this season
http://www.sportswriters.net/membership/usbwa/index.html

Posted by: prescrunk | July 19, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse "

I don't want to take food out of Mike Lee's mouth, but I think he's got a ways to go to catch up with what Ivan did wit this blog.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 19, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

It's funny to watch people defend Gil... are people being hard on him... yes. Does he deserve it?... some, yes. Is he still a good player? Don't know, haven't really seen much of him in 3 years. He could still be a very good scorer. He was never (in my opinion) a GREAT player cause he only played on one end of the floor and never really was the "leader" of this team. Right now he's a good scorer with a questionable knee and character... he's got to work to dispel the last two.

He could play with Wall, but it seems that a lot of bridges have been burned and rather than add the drama better off just moving on... for everyone. My guess is the Wiz will wait for a good offer and take it.

Posted by: HollywoodPB | July 19, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

This team is loaded w/ players who'll be under a microscope when the season begins. Obviously Wall, then there's Gil, McGee, Blatche, Nick Young. A slightly smaller microscope for Booker, Yi, and Seraphin, if he crosses the pond.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 19, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

"

This team is loaded w/ players who'll be under a microscope when the season begins. Obviously Wall, then there's Gil, McGee, Blatche, Nick Young. A slightly smaller microscope for Booker, Yi, and Seraphin, if he crosses the pond.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 19, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse "

Beyond Wall, there's really not going to be much interest from the league on the rest of the players. Face it. Les BouleS are pretty much lottery bound again.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 19, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

"After catching bits and pieces of seeing Wall in LV, I came away with an enormous amount of optimistic hope. Hope in that we trade Gilbert Arenas.

Wall is legit. Arenas will poison Wall's growth and ability to be a vocal leader on this team.

I can easily envision Gil's stubbornness in accepting Wall's leadership role, and jealousy will ensue and not only make the Wizards a worse team, but ultimately stunt Wall's growth as an elite point guard in this league.

Trade Gil now. Before it's too late."

AMEN!! Right on the money!

Posted by: slimjim21787 | July 19, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey gang, it's been a while since I have chimed in but I have a definite opinion on this Gil question. We certainly cannot get into his head but it seems to me that if he ever is going to "get it" this season is the time. it is now or never. I can truly envision Wall dishing to Gil and causing some excitement. If his head is right he will score 28-30 and it will come MUCH easier than it came in the past. I know folk are a pretty ticked at Gilbert but we need to remember the many years "in the wilderness" before he came here and we got a little sniff of "the promised land." For years we depended on older, big name, over the hill players while giving up on talent too quickly. The Wallace's and Hamiltons, etc. would come back and kill us for the subsequent years and we would all complain about management giving up too early. It seems clear now that Teed Leonsis is not going to get older guys but wants to build with youth. So if Gil is not truly changed he will be gone. But if he is, the return to being in the playoffs could be sooner than we think. Why not in two years. (Remember the Celts are getting old, Cavs will dip and Hawks have hit their ceiling in my opinion.)

So to me, especially with such little trade value, the idea of moving Gilbert right now is ridiculous. The potential of the 2 together is worth the risk. let it play out. If he shows himself to still be a knucklehead there will always be a franchise in February that will take a chance before the deadline. Bottom line is there is no need to panic.

My biggest issue concerning the moves Ernie has made, if he is finished this summer, is that we still only have McGee, Armstrong and occasionally Blatche as our centers. Too much finesse still. So the key to a respectable season if there are no more moves is Booker. If he is what I hope he is, he will be difference-maker #2. He brings something we have not had in many years: toughness with skill. With Gil's defensive issues we need that toughness and determination to protect the middle. With McGee and Blatche rejecting shots and Boozer throwing his weight around maybe we could do something on the defensive end for once.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | July 19, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"With McGee and Blatche rejecting shots and Boozer throwing his weight around maybe we could do something on the defensive end for once.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | July 19, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse "

Who told you that Boozer signed here? They lied.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 19, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I have the Wizards winning the Eastern Conference and meeting the Lakers for the championship. Wait, never mind, I'm smoking crack.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 19, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

stanlong23 ,

I don't know if you noticed during summer league play, but Booker is really short. Someday he might be a good defensive SF, but I never envision him being an inside force at 6'6". He ain't no Charles Barkley!

Posted by: MeviousMan | July 20, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Stanlong, I agree with you 100 percent except for one thing. If we sign Josh Howard and if he Wall and Gil can play at least 50 games starting as our 1,2,3 we can win right now!

Wall is that good. We've seen Gill and Josh Howard was the second best player on a perenial Western Conference powerhouse. If those three can play 50 or more games together this is not a rebuilding year.

Atlanta will implode this year because their highest payed player is their least competitive starter. Cleveland is done for-obviously. Really only Boston, Miami, Orlando and Chicago are bona fide write ins for the playoffs. Milwaukee!? They gave John Salmons big money Drew Gooden big money and Corey Maggette big money. Not a one has been responsible for any playoff victories and they won't be this year.

Lets pray that Howard gets healthy and we sign him. This year's Wizards are a real team.

Posted by: AscotAmos | July 20, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

i haven't always liked gilbert's play, but he CAN play his skins off when healthy. those predicting gloom will eat their words if all of the guys stay healthy. i believe/hope the forced time off last season will help strengthen his knees and let him put in a full season. if he's able, i see much improvement. would prefer another coach, though.

Posted by: dcjazzman | July 20, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Way tooo many knee jerk reactions to Gil..Ted has already met with the man and he already told the man what line not to cross. Ted didn't become successful by accident. He's not going to put up with any foolishness. Gil will be fine or he's gone..

Posted by: Newington32 | July 20, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Aside from all the personality and legal issues surrounding Arenas, my issue is that he's a black hole offensively, doesn't have the elevation he had prior to his three knee surgeries, and he does not play defense - ever.

Posted by: nativedc | July 20, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Gil will not control the ball anymore. Wall will be given carte blanch to direct this team. Gil will be given the ball in the best position for him to score. If the team sees that Gil is not cooperating they will bench him and send him home. Its as simple as that, and he knows it. He loves basketball more than anything else, he will behave and LEARN to play WINNING basketball. Hinrich will also be a big influence and insurance for Arenas to act right. The tough guys that have been added to the team will also have some influence on Gil. Booker, Seraphin, and a few other bigs will let him know that there is no one on the team that will support his BS if he were to start any. They are not in awe of him like Jameson, Butler and Brenda. Saunders would love nothing better than to sit him if he does not follow instructions. He wants him to play, but play by the Saunders system.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | July 20, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

John Wall's ability to spread the floor makes every shooter (Arenas, Young & Li) better because of the space they will have to operate. He makes Blatche, Thornton and Martin better slashers because of the back-door opportunities they will have off the weak-side P&R. You already have seen how he and McGee look like the 2nd Coming of Paul/Chandler a couple of years ago.

I like the idea of signing O'Neal, because he gives them a legitimate presence on the block, especially if he is motivated. He will make Wall's transisition easier into his imminent role as the team's leader.

For years Arenas was the No. 1 option on this team, the unquestionable top-talented player. However, he never assumed a leadership role, so he maintained a No. 2 personality. Now we have a guy who potentially lengthens Arenas' career while allowing him to find new grace from the fans.

Maybe our new ownership, direction and possibilities draws the interests of C. Anthony next year....

Posted by: karlw171 | July 20, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

It's very easy to explain how GA can stunt JW's growth and it has nothing to do with psychoanalysis. GA has always needed the ball and dominated the ball when successful. So, tell me how deferring to a former franchise player on a great many trips down the court helps JW's development??? How is that "running" the team??? I've never seen GA excel as some sort of pop and shoot player or an off the ball player in the half court. Never. And, don't bring up GA and Hughes as some sort of success story. LH's was always clearly the "SG" in that tandem while relieving GA of ball handling duties occasionally to rarely in set pieces. Passing the ball to Arenas and spectating while having to deal with any sort of hangover ego issues with GA is not in JW's best interest. Arguing otherwise is pure nonsense to me. Might as well argue JW can learn leadership skills from the self declared none leader.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 20, 2010 2:41 AM | Report abuse

psps23 wrote: "How can it not make sense? You're a Wizards fan who watched one event single-handedly implode an entire team merely 8 months ago."

We forget so quickly how much the team struggled BEFORE the gun incident. The team was like 10 or 12 games under 500 by late December (which is when, if I remember right, gun-gate went down).

Is it even possible to implode a team that was playing as poorly as the Wizards last year? With two long losing streaks, that team was already done by the time the Wild West broke out in the locker room.

Posted by: psdfx | July 20, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to go out on a limb here (not a well supported one, I admit) and say I believe JWall will actually make Arenas better.

I'm going to predict that last year will prove to have helped mature Arenas and that he can see (perhaps with Ted's help) the writing on the wall.

And I'm going to predict that people will look back, after this year, and say "I can't BELIEVE we were talking about trading this guy..."

The floor will be wide open with both of them on the court. Arenas has always had the score first mentality (which you WANT in your off guard), and precisely because he can handle the ball so well, our guards will present a real dilemma for other coaches.

The only question I have about Gil (other than his health, as always) is: Can Saunders get him to play D? I'm not holding my breath on that one, because defense is about desire, and we've never seen him display that sort of desire.

Posted by: psdfx | July 20, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

To the GILBERT HATERS, SHUT UP!

He's the reason I watched this sorry organiztion call the Washington Wizards.

All thoes buzzer beaters that was exciting!

Mr.Wall will be educated this year especially since the East have become so strong due to trades.

Ah this team is broke so they will never win! You have to spend in this league!
The Wizards were never in the chase for Lebron services. Why because they have a weak Owner who's buying this team is over his head. This is not the Capitals (wich i believe are curse and will never raise the cup)

GM seriously, well if you want to call him that don't have a clue how to win the big one.

I know one thing people were actually there to see the Wiz not the other team players when Gilbert was at his best.

Posted by: shamken | July 20, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert went from 2nd rounder, to franchise savior to the plague. There was a reason why he wanted have the number "0". That was to prove all the naysayers wrong who said that he would get 0 minutes of playing time.

Well the time has come again for him to prove folks wrong. But what he has to prove now is that he can be a team player. That he can avoid being a distraction and that he can be a good role model, someone to actually look up to and me a model person in the community, all while being a great basketball player.

Well, I think that someone who has had his picture taken off of the marquee, jersey's stopped being sold, taken out of his mansion to serve time in a half-way house, and suspended for almost an entire year, then they would be really humbled and have something to prove. The guy has been more than humbled, he has been humiliated.

Now, if that's not incentive enough for a person who we all know has the work ethic and will and drive like he does, then I don't know what is.

And he still showed last year, coming off an injury, that he can be one of the highest scorers in the NBA. I really do believe that the best years for Gilbert are yet to come. But what's so dissappointing is that when he does finally develop into being a great basketball player (talent and character), he'll be gone to another team because of all these jerks here who don't know how to forgive and give second chances.

Posted by: justman1 | July 20, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I can't imagine that Gil will not have cleaned up his act after last season's drama. He was given the equivalent of a rectal examination on national TV last season. If he comes back as the same old Gil and is a distraction, he'll be relegated to the end of the bench and that'll be it for him.

Posted by: randysbailin | July 20, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

"he comes back as the same old Gil and is a distraction, he'll be relegated to the end of the bench and that'll be it for him.
Posted by: randysbailin"

No worse distraction than a star benched. Think Marbury and Ed Curry.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 20, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"But what's so dissappointing is that when [Gilbert] does finally develop into being a great basketball player (talent and character), he'll be gone to another team because of all these jerks here who don't know how to forgive and give second chances.Posted by: justman1"

Gilbert doesn't need forgiveness from the fans. He needs the maturity that for some reason, despite all the money and fame, he never developed.

Whether he stays or goes, good luck to him. But not to the various jerks who enable his creepy behavior. They're as big a part of the problem as he is.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 20, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

"No worse distraction than a star benched. Think Marbury and Ed Curry.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 20, 2010 9:11 AM"

I don't really think Marbury or Curry were much of a distraction. Yeah, the team was awful, but they would have been awful regardless. The situation the Knicks put themselves in (basically gutting the roster and tanking games for 3 years in an ultimately failed pursuit of James) was a much bigger factor. I seem to recall comments from some of Marbury's teammates at the time that pretty much gave the impression they'd written him off as having quit on the team. He seemed to be a non-presence, as far as they were concerned.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 20, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"...Booker is really short. Someday he might be a good defensive SF, but I never envision him being an inside force at 6'6". He ain't no Charles Barkley!Posted by: MeviousMan"

Barkley was closer to 6'4" in shoes. And he weighed probably around 260. That's the same size as Antonio Gates, the San Diego tight end. Woulda made a great football player.

According to the Combine measurements, Booker's 6'7.5" in shoes, 6'6.25" without them. That's a little more than an inch below average for PFs. At 236, he's average weight for the position. His wingspan is 2-3 inches below, his standing reach half an inch less than average. So he's not a prototypical PF in terms of size. In fact, he's basically the same size as Luke Harangody, who looks bigger on the court.

It's once you get past size that you can see why the Wiz drafted Booker. He's very strong (more reps on the bench than anybody in the draft except Big Luke). He's a really good leaper (36", which is more than Evan Turner), and you've heard about those exceptional speed figures. His running jump was 11'10", same as shotblocker Jarvis Varnado, and better than any PF except somebody like Derrick Favors.

This is the sort of player you draft if you're planning to run the court as an offensive strategy.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 20, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Samson wrote: "Gilbert doesn't need forgiveness from the fans. He needs the maturity that for some reason, despite all the money and fame, he never developed. "

His story isn't over yet. It would be better to say: "... despite all the money and fame, he has not yet demonstrated."

I hope nobody ever looks at you Samson, and believes what you are today is all you will ever be. All of us should continue to grow, develop as people, and--yes--mature.

I'm not as mature today as I'll be tomorrow. Neither is Gil. And hopefully we'll all be more mature the day after that.

Posted by: psdfx | July 20, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Ted, Flip and Ernie are focusing on the positive and upside of what the Wizards are capable of doing this year. They have no doubts about Arenas, Wall, Blatche and the skill sets of a few others. Only the brain-dead are still living in the past and hoping for a bright future, (it ain't gonna happen). Forget the past, attentuate the positive (there is plenty of it here) and focus on what new team ownership is tyring to develop in Washington. A remorseful and rejuvinated Arenas will bring the Wizards rich dividends this year.

Posted by: esmith4 | July 20, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I HAVE NEVER BEEN EXPOSED TO SO MANY "EXPERTS OF CHARACTOR" WHEN IT COMES TO PRO BASKETBALL PLAYERS, THAN I HAVE WHEN READING THE 'POPCORN' ASSESMENTS SOME PEOPLE MAKE OF GILBERT ARENAS OR JOHN WALL.

PEOPLE SPEAK AS IF THEY ARE FAMILY... BUT THEN, EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE SOMEBODY,HUH?

Posted by: bazteal | July 20, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Arenas flakiness is a potential issue, but it can be quickly resolved by proper management. he should not have gotten away with half the stuff that came out last year.

If healthy Arenas will be a damn good ball player. I anticipate Arenas will have the chip on his shoulder approach this year to prove the world wrong. he will literally beat a few teams by himself. The question for Arenas is when will he decide to be a complete basketball player? that's his real problem. if he comes back hitting 30 but gives up 25, that's not good basketball. I will never forget Eric snow scoring 17-18 pts in a playoff game. Arenas and his matador defense should not be tolerated.

Posted by: oknow1 | July 20, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with you ivyleague, Gilbert has a lot to prove and he will and all gil haters will see it. Gilbert made a mistake .. it is over and he learned a lesson .. I like Gilbert to stay and play his natural position at 2 .. he is going to be deadly with his shot and Arenas will be back at 100% ..

Posted by: svafai2000 | July 20, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Damn Maxer18, do you know jGil or something? Have you actaully met Gil or sat down and had a conversation with him? I am trying to figure out where you got these definitive statments about his personality because prior to his ill advised gun joke most if not all of the Wizards at that time, like Gilbert as a teammate. They never used any of the adjectives you used to describe Gil other than having a zany personality. Gil will be here in a Wiz uniform next year, he will play his ares off and you and all of the Gil haters will eat you words. You may ask why most of my posts defend Gil, no I don't know him personally but I am sick to death of people who act like their behind don't stink and who has not ever done anything foolish. Gil has served his time, been ridiculed, crucified and to add insult to injury, lost a boat load of money. What more do you want from this young man. Give him a chance to redeem himself and if he cuts a nut then call him a lost cause but at least let the man make amends for his transgressions where he did them before tossing him aside. I have a good feeling that most Gil-hater posters are going to be eating their words next season.

Posted by: ivyleague | July 19, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Ivyleague, I agree with you! I love Gilbert and people fail to realized that Gil had put DC basketball back on the map. Before Gil there was nothing. I am 26 years old and I cannot remember anytime the Bullets/Wizards have had a good season prior to Gils arrival. Gil brought excitement and made me want to watch the Wizards again. Like you said, everybody has made mistakes, but his is only magnified because of who he is. Gil is still one of the most explosive players even after the surgeries! He was averaging over 23 a game before he got hurt and that was after the knee injury. Most guys can't average that when they are 100%. So please Gil make them eat their words and be the player that I know you can be!!

Posted by: sirmixx01 | July 20, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Read the Sports Bog story about Ted Leonsis' interview today on the Jim Rome show. In the context of talking about how the Wizards need to re-establish trust with the fan base, Leonsis called Gil the franchise player of the Wizards and said "I have his back." And went on to say that John Wall is going to add years to Gil's career.

I don't think that Ted Leonsis is the kind of guy who will say one thing, then do exactly the opposite.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | July 20, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

23 and 7 on a rusty knee is pretty damn good. What if you haters get what you want and Gil ends up on another team and starts averaging 30 again? I remember a guy named Chris Webber that got run out of DC for a stupid weed charge and he had the Kings in the playoffs for damn near a decade. This town is full of idiots so don't be one of them! Let the dude play and we'll see what happens. I can see Gil and Wall doing some damage in the backcourt.

Posted by: Akiraw | July 21, 2010 4:07 AM | Report abuse

Samson wrote: "Gilbert doesn't need forgiveness from the fans. He needs the maturity that for some reason, despite all the money and fame, he never developed. "

I didn't realize that your name is Jesus, my bad. Oh, and I didn't realize that you gave Gilbert his full paycheck. My bad. Bottom line, Gil's got game. The past is the past. There's a new owner and floor leader (as proclaimed by the coach and owner). So Gil doesn't have to have his character in the spotlight. He just has to play ball. Can he do that!! Hell to the yeah. I mean common, the dude put up 61 on Kobe. I mean really, what Wiz fans with some sense can remember the last time that we had a player that explosive. Can you say Bernard King. How many years ago was that?

To all the Gil haters, what did the Wiz do without Gil. Yeah, he's made some really dumb mistakes. That's what punishment is for, to make you learn from your mistakes.

I hope that Wall get's 10 pts and 17 assists the first game and Gil get's 35 pts. Let's see if Samson and all the Gil haters jump on the bandwagon after that.

Posted by: justman1 | July 21, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

This kid is to good to be true!

http://twitter.com/JohnWallFanClub/status/19007191948

talents, hard work, level headed

(via bulletsforever.com)

Posted by: Pindajung | July 21, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

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