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Mike Miller in Ohio, getting plenty of attention


I might be right behind you, LeBron. (Reuters)


Mike Miller is in Akron, Ohio, today to participate in the LeBron James Skills Academy, where Miller plans on playing a few pick up games with his friend and possible future teammate. Miller has emerged as a surprisingly hot free agent commodity this summer, with several teams viewing him as a perimeter shooter and playmaker that would be an ideal fit to pair with the likes of frequent slashers James or Dwyane Wade. That is, if Miller shoots.

Miller was the first player to meet with the New York Knicks and has also sat down with the Miami Heat, Los Angeles Clippers and reportedly, the Los Angeles Lakers. Miller's family resides in Los Angeles, so it makes sense for him to talk with those teams, although the Lakers are likely out of the picture after signing former Maryland standout Steve Blake to a four-year, $16 million deal.

Cleveland is definitely an option for Miller if James decides to return, and the Cavaliers reached out to his representatives last Thursday. You also can't discount the fact that Miller likes James and shares the same agent as Antawn Jamison. Jamison, you'll remember, helped make Miller's adjustment to Washington a little easier last season when he let his teammates know that it was okay if Miller wore James's signature shoe last season despite the rivalry between the two teams.

Miller would probably consider signing for a deal in the range of the mid-level exception (starting at about $5.8 million), especially if it puts him closer to his desired goal of playing for a winning organization for really the first time in his career. The Wizards could assist Miller in getting more money if they can work out a sign-and-trade deal with some of the teams that interest him. While Miller has stated that he is open to returning, the Wizards are willing to accept his departure for a team better positioned to contend.

You have to remember the guy has never won a playoff series in 10 years in the league, losing once with Orlando and three times in Memphis (where the Grizzlies have yet to win a playoff game). Miller told me last week that he probably would make a decision based on where other guys sign. But that hasn't stopped him from making the rounds and setting the table for himself. I asked Miller on Monday what the past week has been like for him, and Miller wrote a text message back, "It's been crazy busy."

And it's only just begun.

By Michael Lee  |  July 6, 2010; 1:26 PM ET
 
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Comments

Miller is a nice player but is not a player to lose any sleep over. If some team overpays for him, that's their problem.

According to the tin-ear haters, Ernest Grunfeld has assisted nearly every team potentially assemble a champion with his trades and other maneuverings. The simple truth is the Lakers do not have a single player acquired via a trade from the Wizards, Cleveland did not win a championship with Jamison, ditto for Dallas with Butler and Haywood and the Bulls and Nets have not snared LeBron James. Translated for the logic-impaired--Ernest Grunfeld does not give away anything or anyone of great value in his dealings. You would think the GMs around the league would know that by now...but some people never learn.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 6, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Mike Miller is a fantastic role player and shoots the open 3 well (second best in the regular season). He rebounds the ball and passes nicely.
However Mike Miller is a 3rd or 4th option player on a contending team and needs to play off of dribble penetration from teammates. He doesn't shoot the ball even though he is two inches taller than most shooting guards and doesn't sprint off screens like Ray Allen Does. Bottom line I think he is what a contending team needs but is not enough for a rebuilding team as we have seen.

Posted by: jefferu | July 6, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"The simple truth is the Lakers do not have a single player acquired via a trade from the Wizards"

That's not quite right. Years ago, the Bullets traded their #12 pick overall to Cleveland for an old broken-down point guard named Mark Price, who was basically useless to the Bullets or anyone else. In the next draft, Cleveland passed on taking Kobe but the Lakers, choosing next, snapped him up. Maybe the Bullets would have drafted Kobe if they had not gone for a quick-fix solution at PG. Anyway, Kobe fell to the Lakers because of bad judgment in a trade by the Bullets.

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

If we consider a sign-n-trade, does Cleveland, Chicago, or LA have anyone left worth getting in return?

Posted by: cballer | July 6, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reports Miller turned down a 5yr/$30mill offer from the LAkers and that the Knicks hope to have a verbal commitment from him soon. Perhaps Wizards Insider should stop texting Mike and just read ESPN?

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"The simple truth is the Lakers do not have a single player acquired via a trade from the Wizards"

Kinda - They traded Butler for Kwame, then flipped Kwame's bloated contract for Pau.

Posted by: cballer | July 6, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Miller at the mid-level is the right price. If Josh Howard is willing to accept mid-level, I would sign him.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

That's not quite right. Years ago, the Bullets traded their #12 pick overall to Cleveland for an old broken-down point guard named Mark Price, who was basically useless to the Bullets or anyone else. In the next draft, Cleveland passed on taking Kobe but the Lakers, choosing next, snapped him up. Maybe the Bullets would have drafted Kobe if they had not gone for a quick-fix solution at PG. Anyway, Kobe fell to the Lakers because of bad judgment in a trade by the Bullets.

You do know the Lakers didn't draft Kobe right? They actually draft Derek Fisher that year...kinda funny when you think about it.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"The simple truth is the Lakers do not have a single player acquired via a trade from the Wizards"

Kinda - They traded Butler for Kwame, then flipped Kwame's bloated contract for Pau.

Posted by: cballer | July 6, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Watch out people on here will report you since you use facts in your post.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Miller at the mid-level is the right price. If Josh Howard is willing to accept mid-level, I would sign him."

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2010 2:09 PM

A deal like that might make sense for a team that's signing him to be a component for a possible push into contention. But the Wiz are so far from that, signing a 30-year-old player (esp. one coming off a knee surgery that may keep him sideline/at below 100% for a good part of the season) doesn't make much sense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

@EdDC/cballer,

You're both guilty of tortured stretches. Wes Unseld deserves no blame for a dozen teams passing on Kobe and Ernest Grunfeld is not complicit in the Memphis fiasco where they handed Pau on a silver platter to the Lakers. Needless to say, Ernest's perfect record of foiling would-be champions is intact!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 6, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse


Kinda - They traded Butler for Kwame, then flipped Kwame's bloated contract for Pau.

Posted by: cballer

actually the bloated contract kwame had was the one the dumb lakers signed him to after they traded for him. did ernie handle contract negotiations for the lakers too?

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | July 6, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

You do know the Lakers didn't draft Kobe right? They actually draft Derek Fisher that year...kinda funny when you think about it. Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 2:14 PM |

Wrong! The Lakers drafted Kobe. Here is the draft:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html

And here is the story about how the Bullets traded their #1 pick in that draft for the old guy, Mark Price, thereby passing up a chance to get Kobe.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=23979

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 2:29 PM

at least we didn't trade kobe away like charlotte did for vlade divac. the bullets/wizards have NO connection to kobe.

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | July 6, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Wrong! The Lakers drafted Kobe. Here is the draft:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html

Posted by: EdDC

Ed, you did notice the CHH next to Kobe's name right? That would be for the Charlotte Hornets who drafted him, later to trade him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac. Now they might have set-up the trade beforehand and the Hornets were 'drafting for' the Lakers, but the Hornets did the actual drafting.

As in (also from basketball-reference)

June 26, 1996: Drafted by the Charlotte Hornets in the 1st round (13th pick) of the 1996 NBA Draft.

July 11, 1996: Traded by the Charlotte Hornets to the Los Angeles Lakers for Vlade Divac.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Wrong! The Lakers drafted Kobe."

Wrong. He was drafted by Charlotte and his rights were traded to LA for Vlade Divac and some other stuff.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

There was so much wrong with the premise that Pau was somehow truly related to the caron trade. The Pau trade was a sweetheart trade made to clear cap space for memphis. Kwame was just a warm pointless body / contract.

These two trades are completely utterly disparate acts.

I don't believe Ernie Grunfeld was involved in the 1996 trade for the Wizards. However it is not widely reported that most teams knew that the number 12 pick in that draft was considered to be one of the most important in the draft.

riiiiiight.
Hind sight = 20/20 and provides an endless supply of "i told you so's"

Posted by: gconrads | July 6, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse


Wes Unseld deserves no blame for a dozen teams passing on Kobe...Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 6, 2010 2:22 PM |

The blame is there, for sure--simply for trading a first round pick for an old guy who had no miles left on his NBA odometer. I've never liked such moves, like trading your #5 overall for Miller and Foye. Too short-sighted!

If you think it was fine not to have drafted Kobe at the draft slot the Bullets gave away, then OK. Steve Nash was there, as was Jermaine O'Neill and Stojokovich. When you are trying to build a winner, why trade away your draft picks? Of course, it is OK to "blame" in such a case. I remember reading about Kobe at the time and thinking he was going to be very good, though I had no idea how good.

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"You do know the Lakers didn't draft Kobe right? They actually draft Derek Fisher that year...kinda funny when you think about it. Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 2:14 PM |

Wrong! The Lakers drafted Kobe. Here is the draft:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html

Actually, the link you posted shows Charlotte drafting Bryant, as does NBA.com. It was probably one of those deals where Charlotte drafted Kobe on directions from LA, and then traded him, but it appears, technically, that SDMDTSU is correct.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 6, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Ed, you did notice the CHH next to Kobe's name right? That would be for the Charlotte Hornets who drafted him, later to trade him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac. Now they might have set-up the trade beforehand and the Hornets were 'drafting for' the Lakers, but the Hornets did the actual drafting."

The Lakers orchestrated all of it, from targeting Shaq as a free agent to unloading Divac to clear the way for the Shaq signing. The Lakers have been a smart organization over the years. Under Ted, the Wiz can start being smart like that too!

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

i have no problem with the assertion that they should have kept their draft pick.
The problem everyone has is with the completely convoluted logic that was used to connect Kobe to to the current mgmt in the context of making a bad trade decision.

Also the assertion that the Lakers drafted Kobe is completely false. It's common knowledge he was traded. So maybe Kobe wasn't the sure fire obvious hall of fame player at the time?

I would say keeping their draft picks is in general a very good idea. At the same time all drafts are not created equal.

Posted by: gconrads | July 6, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Under Ted, the Wiz can start being smart like that too!


Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Not with Ernie as the GM he can't.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

So, let me see if I got this right:

Someone is blaming Ernie Grunfeld for helping the Lakers draft Kobe Bryant as a result of an unrelated deal involving a drat pick at a different slot than the one Kobe was taken, in a trade that occurred 6 years before Grunfeld took over the Wiz?

So, in other words . . business as usual around here?

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Did the Bulls draft Kevin Seraphim? Technically, I guess they did! So if Seraphim flops, we can blame that on the Bulls. They get the credit too if Seraphim pans out. Right?

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The Lakers orchestrated all of it, from targeting Shaq as a free agent to unloading Divac to clear the way for the Shaq signing. The Lakers have been a smart organization over the years. Under Ted, the Wiz can start being smart like that too!

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 2:45 PM

changed your course pretty quickly on that whole wizards/bullets connection. lmao!

Posted by: omgwthrotfl | July 6, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Yikes.... these comments sometimes boggle the mind.
melodious_thunk: I'm a little confused by your comment. Are saying currently the Wizards don't have a player on our team who had played for the lakers or that we traded to the lakers? Because if so, well that would be true. If you are saying we've never traded with the Lakers well that would be false. We traded Kwame Brown there for Caron Butler.

Also From what I'm reading you seem to be a Grunfield appologist. I'm sorry, but what has this guy won?? Yeah you name these players he has traded away over the years and how they could be traded away because they weren't worth much. Let me ask you a question?? Who brought each of those players to the wizards? Well that would be Ernie! Ernie has no one to blame but himself for this team not winning since he's gotten here. He's picked the players, he's traded away 2 top 5 picks that we now have nothing to show for. Frankly I don't credit Ernie with the drafting of John Wall or the wizards receiveing the #1 pick. I credit the late Abe Pollin and his wife and the good luck of Leonsis as well! Ernie has got to go. I hope Leonsis will see this soon enough when it is clear this team can not be a winner with Ernie picking its players.

EdDC: Actually the Charlotte Hornets drafted Kobe Bryant and his draft rights were traded to Los Angeles.

Posted by: avbanig | July 6, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The Lakers orchestrated all of it, from targeting Shaq as a free agent to unloading Divac to clear the way for the Shaq signing. The Lakers have been a smart organization over the years. Under Ted, the Wiz can start being smart like that too!
Posted by: EdDC

But Ed, if the Wiz are as dumb as you say they are (and they have provided plenty of their own evidence) they would have either done the same deal with LA, or wouldn't have been smart enough to draft Kobe anyway, so what exactly is the difference or the point?

Ahh, right, that would be the Monday-morning (plus 14 years) draft analysis of looking back at all of the guys taken after your team picked and cherry-picking out the ones who worked out and saying, gee, my team is dumb, they didn't draft that guy, what were they thinking?

Mind you, nothing from that draft bears on the current Wiz as they have a different owner, GM, and coach.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Wait...why are we talking about a draft 14 years ago?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"According to the tin-ear haters, Ernest Grunfeld has assisted nearly every team potentially assemble a champion with his trades and other maneuverings. The simple truth is the Lakers do not have a single player acquired via a trade from the Wizards, Cleveland did not win a championship with Jamison, ditto for Dallas with Butler and Haywood and the Bulls and Nets have not snared LeBron James. Translated for the logic-impaired--Ernest Grunfeld does not give away anything or anyone of great value in his dealings. You would think the GMs around the league would know that by now...but some people never learn."

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 6, 2010 1:49 PM

It appears you like Grunfeld and trust his judgement....Yet it is his judgement that has gotten Bullets/Wizards in the position of one the leagues WORST teams by keeping a core together way longer than it should have been kept. Can you explain what makes him such a great GM (if that was the case the Knicks and Bucks would have never let him go)?

Posted by: ejharrisjr40 | July 6, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"But Ed, if the Wiz are as dumb as you say they are (and they have provided plenty of their own evidence) they would have either done the same deal with LA, or wouldn't have been smart enough to draft Kobe anyway, so what exactly is the difference or the point?"

That's really the broader issue with a dysfunctional organization. You have to be fooling yourself to think that if we'd just drafted Pau instead of Kwame (for instance) that our fortunes would have been vastly different. They wouldnt, and in the same vein, putting an 18yr old Kobe on the Bullets bench would more likely have precluded him from greatness than lifted us to Championships.

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Wait...why are we talking about a draft 14 years ago?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2010 3:17 PM

Because it proves what a useless turd Grunfeld is now.

Keep up man!

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

if that was the case the Knicks and Bucks would have never let him go)?
Posted by: ejharrisjr40

One of the stories going around about EG getting fired from the Knicks has more to do with him not getting along with Jeff Van Gundy than with being a bad GM. Just sayin.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"One of the stories going around about EG getting fired from the Knicks has more to do with him not getting along with Jeff Van Gundy than with being a bad GM."

Yep. According to the story, the top Knicks exec (I believe it was Dave Checketts at the time) basically got tired of the two of them sniping at each other and determined that one of them had to go. He chose to give Grunfeld the heave-ho only to watch as (A) the team Grunfeld put together made it to the Finals and (B) Van Gundy quit 1 season and 20 games later after realizing the team he handed by Grunfeld's successor was a toothless dog with no hope of winning.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

and in the same vein, putting an 18yr old Kobe on the Bullets bench would more likely have precluded him from greatness than lifted us to Championships.

Posted by: divi3

I don't know if I would go that far. Kobe would have been joining the Webber / Howard / Muresan / Strickland Bullets. One of the things they were missing was an athletic player like Kobe who can create his own shot, slash, etc. Kobe might not have become 'Kobe' on that team, but it would have been a helluva team to watch. It likely would have been fireworks.....good and bad.

Certainly playing on a storied franchise like the Lakers, with a somewhat accomplished dominant player in Shaq and a coach with creds like Phil helped temper Kobe, who was quite a handful as a young player. Don't know if the Bullets could have provided the same structure to temper his ego. But with his drive to be great, he might have been able to find his own way, much like LeBron is trying to do now.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

he has made big strides since he has been here"

Yeah, none bigger that when he launches himself forward into the air on pump fakes 20 feet from the basket.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Good one Kalo - I would agree.

I am hoping that JaVale is working on putting those mistakes into the past. I am not sure the 22 YO Big man is fully ready for prime time at the beginning of this season, but I do believe he will have a break out season.

The keys are really threefold:

1 - Bulk up a little
2 - get his conditioning down to where he can play 15 minutes straight
3 - restraint on the kind of moves you mention above.

McGee and Blatche may not have been great out of the blocks, but both will prove to be good picks by EG

Nick Young I'm not so sure about.

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The point is: build with youth, hang on to your draft picks and collect draft picks. Who knows, maybe you could draft a Kobe with one of those picks.

And despite all the nitpicking, the point remains that the Bullets could have drafted Kobe, or Steve Nash or Jermaine O'Neill or a young Ilgauskas with that pick that they gave away. That part is not refutable no matter how hard anyone tries to do so. Even if you screw up and draft a guy who does poorly, you can still try again if you have another pick to work with. In that draft, the Lakers got both Kobe and Derek Fisher in the first round, while the Bullets gave away their first rounder. There's a lesson in there that applies to the present and the future, not just the past. The Wiz gave away their first rounder as recently as 2009. Now, under Ted, the Wiz are collecting picks--a great policy for the future.

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

SURPRISE!
The Washington Wizards were ranked 122nd out of 122 pro teams in fan relations.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/07/the_wizards_have_the_countrys.html?wpisrc=nl_sports

Posted by: VBFan | July 6, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"McGee and Blatche may not have been great out of the blocks, but both will prove to be good picks by EG"

Considering where they were taken, it won't take much for them to prove to be good picks. Basically all they have to do is be reasonably productive NBA players. That's pretty good for guys taken at #17 and #49. The question is whether they can be more than that.

I'm not convinced.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"The point is: build with youth, hang on to your draft picks and collect draft picks. Who knows, maybe you could draft a Kobe with one of those picks. "

couldn't agree more, which is why we need to fire Ernie because he doesn't do this.

"And despite all the nitpicking, the point remains that the Bullets could have drafted Kobe, or Steve Nash or Jermaine O'Neill or a young Ilgauskas with that pick that they gave away. That part is not refutable no matter how hard anyone tries to do so. Even if you screw up and draft a guy who does poorly, you can still try again if you have another pick to work with. In that draft, the Lakers got both Kobe and Derek Fisher in the first round, while the Bullets gave away their first rounder. There's a lesson in there that applies to the present and the future, not just the past. The Wiz gave away their first rounder as recently as 2009. Now, under Ted, the Wiz are collecting picks--a great policy for the future."

I'm just Excited for the future. I'm glad Unseld is gone and his happy self who always traded away young potential for aging vets, then MJ did the same, now Ernie is doing the same up until this year when Leonsis finally told him if he was going to make a trade he had to run it by Teddy 1st. Now you see that no stupid trades were made, well it is because Ted wouldn't allow it.

I also really don't care what happened in the 96 draft. I mean really, whom ever was the one who said if we got Kobe he probably wouldn't have worked out or he woudn't still be here was right. If we had gotten any of those players outside of Iverson I'm pretty sure they woudn't have developed in a Bullets uniform to be stars, let alone superstars. Iverson would have, but he always seemed to cause more problems than what he was worth but he would have been fun to watch for the past decade and would have put butts in the seasts.

Posted by: avbanig | July 6, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

@avbang,

I'm saying that the Lakers did not have on their roster this year a player that Ernest Grunfeld traded to them. Ernest's haters often accuse him of helping other teams win a championship by trading various players whose talent the haters have overestimated. I'm just refuting that notion.

I'm fully aware of what I fondly call the "Butler Heist" that Ernest Grunfeld orchestrated to rid this team of Kwame Brown. I'm also aware of the fact that he took a franchise that was barely operating at a professional level and transformed it into a perennial playoff team by acquiring young players when their careers were on the uptick (Arenas, Jamison, Butler). There appears to be at least anecdotal evidence that Jamison and Arenas were re-signed at the urging of the late owner due to his feelings of affection (Jamison), the impact on the financial bottom line (Arenas) and his rapidly failing health (necessitating a big "championship" push). Don't underestimate Arenas' threat to walk if the Wizards didn't re-sign Jamison.

When it became clear that it was in the best interests of Wizards to dismantle the team and Ernest finally had the blessings of the owner (in this case, the Pollin family), he did so without looking back. Who in their right mind would apologize for that?

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 6, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

avbanig,

I only brought up the 1996 draft because a poster said that the Wizards had nothing to do with building the Lakers. My only point was that the Wiz did not have to give away the pick in 1996. The Bullets could have drafted Kobe with that same pick. The Wiz helped the Lakers to that extent. The Bullets/Wiz have helped lots of teams over the years achieve greatness. Now, with Ted's guidance, maybe some of the other teams will help the Wiz achieve greatness.

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I only brought up the 1996 draft because a poster said that the Wizards had nothing to do with building the Lakers. My only point was that the Wiz did not have to give away the pick in 1996. The Bullets could have drafted Kobe with that same pick. The Wiz helped the Lakers to that extent. The Bullets/Wiz have helped lots of teams over the years achieve greatness. Now, with Ted's guidance, maybe some of the other teams will help the Wiz achieve greatness.

Posted by: EdDC

Yeah, but you're totally missing the part where we also traded away the #11 pick in the 1996 draft as one of the 3 picks we gave away along with Gugliotta to get Chris Webber.

We got the #11 from Orlando in the Skott Skiles deal.

I mean if you're gonna harp on 30 years of Bullets / Wizards history, at least get it all in.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 4:06 PM


First I've heard we had something to do with the Lakers winning a championship.
So the Bullets helped the Lakers build a champion to the same extent everyone else in the league did who passed on him. I guess the exceptions would be Charlotte, Miami, and Memphis who should receive more blame since they actually, directly gave Kobe, Lamar, and Pau to the Lakers. Glad to know that Washington is toward the bottom of that list (our usual spot). :-)

Posted by: bobabuie | July 6, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The Bullets/Wiz have helped lots of teams over the years achieve greatness. Now, with Ted's guidance, maybe some of the other teams will help the Wiz achieve greatness.

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 4:06 PM

Considering we helped the Bulls make room for 2 max FAs so that we could grab Seraphin, cleared the rest of the Nets' book to get Yi, and traded 2 picks to grab Booker....there will be no shortage of room for griping should Seraphin/Booker not pan out while the Bulls go dynastic on us or whatever.

Quite a bit was done to acquire Seraphin and Booker, there could be a make or break aspect to them for EG.

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Should we also discuss the much more relevant trend that when Caron Butler gets traded away from a team, that team soon wins a Championship?

Traded from Miami in '04. Miami wins in '05/'06
Traded from Lakers in '05. In the Finals in '07/'08, Winning in '08/'09 and '09/'10

OMG, that's TWO ways we've helped the Lakers win a title! The Lakers KNEW that trading away Butler cemented their title hopes!

But doesn't that mean we should be winning a title soon too???

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I gotcha Ed, just wanted to see what you meant about Ernie. And yeah Ernie is good for turning a franchise into a team that barely makes the playoffs but he doesn't do much more than that. I think we need to get rid of him, I have never liked him. Trading away 2 #5 picks and being the reason we got rid of Eddie Jordan did it for me.

The past is the past for the all posters talking about the Wizards failures and helping other teams build championships over the past 20-30 years since our last Championship in what was that??? 1978?? Yeesh!! lol

I mean I guess if we want to look at recent history 2 of our top 10 draft picks were cogs in the Pistons winning the NBA finals and making a few conference championships. Does anyone remember Unseld drafted Sheed and trade him for Strickland? Then after trading Gugs for Webber he traded him for Richmond! Then MJ traded Rip for Stackhouse! Thanks GMs of the Bullets/Wizards, you have made this franchise a laughing stock of the NBA for 32 years!

I mean technically our front line at the end of the 90s and begining of the 2000s should have had Sheed at C and Webber at PF and then other players around that strong inside game. We sure skrewed that up though.

Posted by: avbanig | July 6, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I give up. Y'all are right! Charlotte drafted Kobe, not the Lakers, technically. It did not matter that the Bullets gave away the Kobe pick because they have given away so many other picks too. That is so true. And if the Bullets had kept that pick and drafted Kobe, they would have misused him anyway. I agree with all of this.

My point was that the Bullets and now the Wiz should keep their picks, collect additional picks, and build on those picks. That point remains, no matter what other facts are tossed in to confuse the issue. OK? This is what quality organizations do.

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"But doesn't that mean we should be winning a title soon too???

With our luck, we'll be the exception that proves the rule.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 6, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I was not a Blatche believer, but he proved me wrong.

I did predict that Mcgee would replace Haywood in the lineup by the last 1/4 of the season last year, and he did. Maybe not the way i anticipated, but for the same basic reason - the Wizards realized that they had no future with Haywood and Mcgee might be that future.

McGee is already outperforming Jermaine Oneal at both his age and years as a pro.

Sometimes these guys take a couple years to get it going. It frustrates me, but it is what it is.

I see a future standout Center in JaVale, kalo doesn't. We'll see.

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

avbanig,

Thanks for the good comment. As a philosopher once said:
“The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.”

Posted by: EdDC | July 6, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I mean technically our front line at the end of the 90s and begining of the 2000s should have had Sheed at C and Webber at PF and then other players around that strong inside game. We sure skrewed that up though.

Posted by: avbanig | July 6, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget "Big" Ben Wallace

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: avbanig | July 6, 2010 4:33 PM

I hear Eddie Jordan's been on a tear since leaving the Wizards. Logical player substitutions and dominating defense up in Philly. Biggest mistake ever made in the history of the franchise getting rid of that guy. Bigger than trading Pearl. Confusing that NOBODY considered him for a head coaching job this year.

Posted by: bobabuie | July 6, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 4:39 PM

Hopefully Mcgee is maxed out under a squat rack somewhere as we type. I'd hate to see him show up for summer league with the exact same body and fitness level as he had at the end of last season, would be a clear sign the lightbulb has not gone off yet. Summerleague is great chance for him to get a headstart on playing with Wall and hard work put in there can definitely translate to some tangible production in the regular season. Even if it's only a handful of halfcourt alley-oops!

Posted by: divi3 | July 6, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

back to the real point here...Let other teams lock up their futures with lengthy, overly expensive contracts. half of these guys will get injured or otherwise detour their careers and the fates of their clubs.

Please, Wiz, fill out the bench side of the roster with summer league guys. Let our guys get some minutes.

last year we were talking about how Flip likes to go 8-9 deep. That means Yi should get plenty of minutes, since he is fairly versatile as far as position playing:

(assuming Blatche can start the season)
Wall
Arenas
Young
Blatche
McGee

Kirk
Yi
Thornton
Booker

If Seraphin shows up, then I guess he gets in there somehow. Maybe good to let him gain a little Overseas exp while we see who is going to work their butt off this year and who is going to come through.

so what do you do about the other guys? They can wait for foul trouble and injuries and blowouts, so why pay them more than rookie minimum?

Posted by: Blurred | July 6, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Blatche has proven he can put up good looking numbers on a bad team when given unlimited shots. Lots of guys do that only to prove themselves incapable of contributing equally well in an environment where they're expected to operated as a team-based player. Blatche has yet to prove that, and his attitude and behavior up to this point poses some very legitimate questions about his ability to do so. His ability to play the game is not and never has been the issue with him.

The fact that McGee put up better numbers than Jermaine O'Neal at the same point in his career is proof of nothing other than the fact that O'Neal, in his second season, was nailed to the bench on a potential title contending team with about 3 or 4 recent All-Stars playing ahead of him at his position and basically only played in blowouts and garbage time. McGee couldn't even hold onto the starting C slot on a team that was rapidly circling the drain, even though there was literally no real competition for the job. Really not that impressive in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

My point was that the Bullets and now the Wiz should keep their picks, collect additional picks, and build on those picks. That point remains, no matter what other facts are tossed in to confuse the issue. OK? This is what quality organizations do.

Posted by: EdDC

Ed, I don't disagree with that in principle, but you could argue that that's what bad organizations do too. In the same '96 draft, the Knicks (under Ernie actually) had 3 picks. And came away with nothing. The Clippers have been drafting in the lottery forever and are still the Clippers. In a short span, the Bulls of the '90s had two drafts with two high draft picks each. One year, they drafted Scottie Pippen (actually draft day trade) and Horace Grant. The next time they drafted Stacey King and BJ Armstrong. So despite essentiallly the same set-up, two very different results.

The Pistons championship team had one pick playing a significant role....Tayshaun Prince. Wallace, Wallace and Hamilton were trades. Billups was a FA signing. So the real answer is not that smart teams do x, y or z. Smart teams do smart things.

I'm hoping that Ted is going to follow the general roadmap the Capitals laid out, which is to figure out what kind of team you can be, want to be, need to be, and then acquire players that fit that system, through whatever method works best. That, to me, is really why teams like the Spurs and the Lakers, and the Colts, and the Caps, and the Penguins (boooooo) and the Marlins (intermittently) are able to have success. Because they know what they're looking for and how to find it.

Posted by: ts35 | July 6, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Miller at the mid-level is the right price. If Josh Howard is willing to accept mid-level, I would sign him."

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2010 2:09 PM

A deal like that might make sense for a team that's signing him to be a component for a possible push into contention. But the Wiz are so far from that, signing a 30-year-old player (esp. one coming off a knee surgery that may keep him sideline/at below 100% for a good part of the season) doesn't make much sense.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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Ah, but even on a rebuilding team, you still need some vets. Howard (or others of his caliber) on mid-level is the price I am willing to pay.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The only thing wrong with Javale McGee is he competes, thats why he must sit on the bench, its also the same reason why Nick Youngs minutes aren't consistent. They both are ball-players, in it to compete and competition would of had to deal with them. That's UnWizard like and forbidden.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | July 6, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

It's not like Miller is going to push Washington to a title, or even a playoff berth, but I'm sorry to see him go. First of all, he is a premier shooter who rebounds, defends and hustles, and secondly, he carries himself with class. He seems to do his job the way he should. The Wiz could use a lot more of that.

That said, I hope he gets his money and gets a chance to win. Seems like a good guy worth rooting for.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | July 6, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

"McGee and Blatche may not have been great out of the blocks, but both will prove to be good picks by EG"

Considering where they were taken, it won't take much for them to prove to be good picks. Basically all they have to do is be reasonably productive NBA players. That's pretty good for guys taken at #17 and #49. The question is whether they can be more than that.

I'm not convinced.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama (who must be a Grunfeld plant) and several guys have constantly disparaged Blatche, Young and McGEE over the past several years but have never challenged management with the inept development philosophy that the Wizards displayed. Grunfeld,Tapscott and Saunders are as much to blame with the progress of these upung fellows as anyone. Moerover, Blatche's play during the second half of the season CLEARLY proved that all he lacked was opportunity.

Young played good basketball when he got the opportunity but was jerhked around in such a bi-polar fashion that it would be impossible to objectively judge whether he will be a consistent prime time player.

McGee has shown flashes and clearly would have benefitted from more playing time on teams that won 19 and 25 games in successive years.

This team with a few pieces namely a 3 and and an experienced 5 have the potential to make the playoffs next year with the nucleus for an even brighter future. Dealing Arenas and Blatche as has been proffered on this blog is ridiculous because it would be a huge gamble to ever thimk that you ara giuareanteed players with better skill sets.
While people love heady ballplayers like Heinroch and Mike Miller (lol) you ultimately win games in the NBA by being able to score and to put other players in scoring position. Despite a 2 yera hiatus, marital/girlfirend issues and not being 100 %, Arenas proved he was still one of the bettyer offensive players in the league.

Posted by: NewManagement | July 6, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I did some quick skimming of the above comments and this is what I learned: (1) The Wizards drafted Kobe Bryant and traded him to the Lakers for Kwame Brown, who was drafted #1 overall in the same draft, even though they came out about 6 years apart (2) Ernie Grunfeld and Jeff Van Gundy were lovers (3) Kobe Bryant was part of a promising Wizards organization that included Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, Georghe Muresan and Rod Strickland (4) The Lakers have won 5 championships in the last decade or so mainly because of the Wizards front office (5) Having Caron Butler on your roster guarantees you a title shortly after you've traded him.

Did I get it all?

Posted by: randysbailin | July 6, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to be late to the party, but the one thing missing from the Kobe in 1996 draft conversation is that he had made it clear that he would only play for the Lakers. He pulled an Elway/EManning. It was a done deal all along that Charlotte would draft Kobe for them in exchange for Vlade. It was a Lakers aura thing, not a Bullets messed up thing.

Also, Mark Price wasn't "some old guy"; he was a multiple all-star on the runnerup team in the East for many years. It was an alright trade and was announced by Rasheed Wallace's mom for some weird reason. He got injured in the 7th game, his season was over, and then like an ingrate signed with GS the next year (but was never the same).

Posted by: Urnesto | July 6, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

We need to acquire Beasley....him and Wall is a nice little combo of young talent..along with Blatche.

Miami's practically giving him away from the reports that have been out there. Let's make a move

Posted by: bszdnva | July 6, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

We need to acquire Beasley....him and Wall is a nice little combo of young talent..along with Blatche.

Miami's practically giving him away from the reports that have been out there. Let's make a move

Posted by: bszdnva | July 6, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

@new management: good post.

Posted by: dcjazzman | July 6, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Just because you use the word "clearly" multiple times and in caps doesn't make any of what you say clear at all. There's no rule that says players improve with more PT. Some do, some don't. So there was nothing CLEAR about how it would have benefited McGee.

The only thing Blache's play CLEARLY proved is what I already said it did: That he can put up numbers on a lousy team when given extended PT and a green light to et it fly. It doesn't CLEARLY prove anything about how he'll respond when asked to share the ball/court with quality players. (Although his failure to show up when asked to do so in the past in a supporting role does say several things about him; how CLEAR those things are depend entirely on the tint of your rose-colored glasses.)

McGee an Blatche may well turn out to be exceptional players. Or they may well turn out to not be. It could easily go either way. But nothing either of them has done so far makes any CLEARLY definitive statement as to which it'll be. Only time will tell.

We CLEAR?

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

"Ah, but even on a rebuilding team, you still need some vets. Howard (or others of his caliber) on mid-level is the price I am willing to pay."

Sure you need vets. But on a rebuilding young team you need vets who are adept and comfortable being role players and understanding that they're not central pieces while giving full out effort on a team with low expectations in support of the young guys who are the centerpieces. I don't know that Howard is that kind of vet. Before getting traded her he played his entire career on a team that was expected to win 50 games every season and go deep into the playoffs. Plus, coming off the injury (assuming he ever does come off it) he'll be looking to prove something/re-establish himself. That's not what they need in a 30-year-old player who'll be long gone by the time the team is seriously any good. And given the uncertainty of his physical status, it's not worth it to find out. (Not unless they can sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal for substantially less than the full MLE; which I think is unlikely; and even then, it still doesn't make much sense.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

There is a reason Miller has never won a playoff game. He sucks. See ya. Why is anyone reporting on what this guys is doing. Who cares.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 7, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

"Not unless they can sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal for substantially less than the full MLE; which I think is unlikely; and even then, it still doesn't make much sense."

kalo:

All I can say is, at the price you are willing to pay, you are not going to sign anybody (who fulfills your liking) in the NBA!

Posted by: sagaliba | July 7, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Miller is valuable to the Wizards as a Sign-and-Trade piece, with our goal being the acquisition of a good, big, inside player who can knock down a midrange jump shot as well. Randy Foy and Josh Howard also serve that purpose as several teams (NY, NJ, etc.) need good point and combo guards while we are overloaded at that spot (so long as we sign Shaun Livingston - don't let him get away to NY!!)

We need a three team deal involving Houston to get restricted free agent Luis Scola , 6’9”, 15 points, 8 rebounds, $3.5 Million (He’s worth $6~$7 million/year for a 2~3 year deal) and tough as nails;

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1781

Starters:
Wall, Arenas, Blatche, McGee, and ??? (Sign and trade Mike Miller, Josh Howard, Randy Foy or even Arenas for; Luis Scola/David Lee/Carlos Boozer/Brendon Haywood/Elton Brand??)

2nd String:
Shaun Livingston, Nick Young, Al Thornton, Hamady Ndiaye, Yi, (This 2nd String is as good as New Jerseys first string last year).

3rd String:
Kevin Seraphin, Trevor Booker,


Posted by: Airborne82 | July 7, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If Melo doesn't sign with Denver, sign-and-trade some combination of Arenas, Miller, Foy, Howard for him and Scola.

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 7, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

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