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Randy Foye's gone, Mike Miller's next?

It got overshadowed by LeBron James's decision to dump Cleveland for that lovely belle down on South Beach, but the Wizards lost one of its free agents on Thursday, when Randy Foye signed a two-year, $8.5 million contract with the Los Angeles Clippers. Foye wasn't expected to come back to Washington, and he pretty much knew the door had been closed on his return before the team bypassed tendering his $4.8 million qualifying offer and made him an unrestricted free agent.

"I was expecting it," Foye said in a telephone interview late Thursday night. "I pretty much felt it early on. But after they got the No. 1 pick, I definitely knew."


Moving on. (AP Photo)

Foye had an unforgettable season with the Wizards, but it was for all the wrong reasons, as his role changed on a nearly weekly basis and his scoring average dipped for the first time in four seasons. He arrived in Washington with high expectations, after the Wizards used the fifth overall pick to acquire him and Mike Miller from Minnesota. He expected to make his first ever playoff run and earn some quality minutes playing alongside Gilbert Arenas. Instead the lasting memories for him have little to do with basketball.

"The team was broken up, the late-great owner passed away, the superstar player got suspended," said Foye, who was one of the witnesses to the gun incident involving Arenas and Javaris Crittenton. "This was just a weird year, as a whole. You really can't explain it."

"With guys getting hurt and guys with suspensions and things, I always had to do different things," he said. "And, I was comfortable, but it feels like a broken record because I [was] used to the same things going on in Minnesota. That kind of affected me, but at the same time, I had some good games there."

Foye said he tries not to look back on the past season in Washington because "it frustrates me. After the season that I had in Minnesota and going there, it frustrates me. The way I was used. Things that were said to me that wasn't true. I hurt my ankle and lost playing time for like 20-something games. It was a constant fight, like an uphill climb all year. On the court and with the situations [off the court] it was just a tough year. Things happen like that, but you live to fight another day."

Foye said he "had a blast" with free agency, having spoken with the Clippers, Utah, New York and New Jersey, which will play in his hometown of Newark next season. But Foye said he opted to join the Clippers -- which was a long-shot suitor of James -- because they showed the most interest and kept in touch daily throughout the negotiating period.

"It's going to be tough," Foye said of heading to California, far his from family and friends on the East Coast, "but this is the business that we're in. ... and that comes with the territory. Sometimes you're close to home. Sometimes you're far from home, but you doing what you love to do and you're playing basketball. I'm playing ball and I'm getting paid well for it. So I don't have no complaints. My main thing is, I want to win."

The Clippers' starting backcourt is set with Baron Davis and Eric Gordon, and the team recently drafted Eric Bledsoe from Kentucky, but Foye said he isn't concerned about his role after speaking with general manager Neil Olshey and new coach Vinny Del Negro.

"They told me to just go in there and being myself. They got me for who I was," Foye said. "They didn't really say what my position was, 'We want you to be this. We want you to be that.' They just said, 'We want you to play. We want you to be the Randy Foye that we know you can be.' The GM said he's been watching me since my Big East days, and said he wanted me to play. The new coach, he told me, I got to come in there and do what I do, be myself and everything will take care of itself."

Miller said this afternoon that nothing has been finalized with the Miami Heat, but said that his agent, Arn Tellem, is in discussions about joining the James-Dwyane Wade-Chris Bosh supertrio. The Heat dealt District native Michael Beasley to free up the cap space in order to sign Miller, who has been linked as a possible shooter for James or Wade throughout this negotiating period.

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Just what the Heat need a shooter how doesn't need to shoot the ball?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 9, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

This is really what Mike Miller needs. We all agreed he shoots the ball only on wide open looks and passes the ball when guarded. Mike Miller's game thrives when he is the fourth or fifth option player because he needs people to create a play for him. D-Wade and Lebron can do that while Bosh and miller will cash in when defenses collapse from being penetrated.

In Washington the offense was stagnant. Foye was a below average dribble penetrator, Boykins couldn't see MM through the forest of giants and MM isn't a playmaker. MM will fit nicely in Miami because hes a great rebounding, sharpshooting role player.

Posted by: jefferu | July 9, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

This probably the best option for MM. Never thought he was that good of a player but he appears to be a nice guy. In MIA, nothing much would be expected of him and he won't have to worry too much about being afraid to take open shots because there really won't be that many in spite of what everyone thinks.

HEAR IT FROM ME FIRST! NY didn't get ANYTHNG through FA and they have no PG so watch for them trying to make a play for Gil by the trading deadline if Gil shows any potential of becoming the Gil of old. If Gil and JW are playing well and the Wiz are winning, would he complete the deal?

Posted by: zack5 | July 9, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Could you do a post on how the Heat are going to pay for all of this? Start with $58 million, pay Miller$6 million, pay 3 superstars $15-20 million each, and ????

Posted by: ostap666 | July 9, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Would EG pull the trigger on this deal?

Posted by: zack5 | July 9, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I still think the media in this town has given EG a pass on the Foye/Miller deal. To walk away a year later with nothing to show for the 5th pick in the 2009 draft plus less salary cap space that resulted from that trade should really have EG on the firing block.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | July 9, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN, NY is interested in Luke Ridenour. NY wants to recreate what D'antoni had in Phoenix. Luke is Nash-lite... Apparently they also want Raymond Felton...We will see which way they go...

Posted by: merajc86 | July 9, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Miami would be a great spot for Miller, but if that 5 yr/$30 mil figure that's been reported is correct, it'll make it even tougher to fill out the roster. Besides, the Heat's first priority should be a big physical, bruising C to be Bosh's bodyguard.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 9, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

NBA Free Agent Rumors: Is LeBron James a Cheater? Your Move, Mr. Stern
by Bill Cody Written on July 09, 2010
Larry Busacca/Getty Images First off, I want to backtrack on an earlier article. After listening to sports talk all day I got my facts all screwed up. I accused LeBron James of being a supplicant to Bosh and Wade.

If the interview Stephan A. Smith gave to the Petros and Money Show today is true, LeBron isn't a weenie. He's worse. He's a cheater. And it begs the question—did he throw the Boston series?

First off, here is a link to the interview in question.

http://www.petrosandmoney.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=PetrosandMoney.xml

Go to the Stephan A. Smith interview in hour four. It took place right after LeBron's announcement. In it Smith clearly says that LeBron went to Dwayne Wade months ago and told him he wanted to go to Miami. MONTHS AGO.

How many months, I do not know. But it sure sounds like a longer time frame than just back in May when the Cavs got bounced out by the Celtics.

If this is true it, begs the question—was LeBron involved in tampering? More importantly, if James was already planning to leave Cleveland, what reason would he have to try and win the Boston series? Winning would have only complicated things.

Normally, I would say anything about a top athlete like James not trying to win.

BUT WE ALL SAW THE SERIES. WE SAW LEBRON GIVE UP.

That's what started the rumors about James' Mom. It's why people believed the rumors. Because LeBron didn't even seem to try in Games 5 & 6.

Personally, I think David Stern has to investigate this story. And if James was trying to put together a super team before the end of the season, he needs to be suspended for a season and then disallowed from signing with Miami.

It's not like there isn't a precedent. Stern did the same thing when he caught Kevin McHale and the Timberwolves tampering in the Joe Smith case. If he's going to stop Kevin Garnett and the Wolves from getting Joe Smith, he has to stop this.

This is a much bigger threat to the integrity of the game.

This whole incident already stinks, with rumors of influence by shoe companies and Hollywood agencies. But if this was being planned during the regular season, then this is worse than any referee scandal.

And Stern needs to do something immediately

Posted by: suliman215 | July 9, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I go to the same physical therapist as Randy up here in NJ. From my talks with him he seems like a pretty down to earth guy. I don't undestand the Clips though. Randy can ball he should had waited a little longer.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | July 9, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I still think the media in this town has given EG a pass on the Foye/Miller deal. To walk away a year later with nothing to show for the 5th pick in the 2009 draft plus less salary cap space that resulted from that trade should really have EG on the firing block.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | July 9, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse


Seriously? Is this Bf78 or DCM88? I think this has been hashed over and over and over and over

Maybe you weren't here when it was or maybe you are just not able to grasp it.

The 5th pick (which was used on a player who has not played a minute in the NBA nor does it seem he is inclined to do so anytime soon) was traded for two guys who were supposed to help a core group of players advance deeper in the playoffs.

This whole deal was based on the faulty premise that Jamison, Butler and Gilbert, with assistance from NY, Blatche and Haywood, were on the cusp of surpassing their success from a few years before.

Obviously, that was all wrong, although only a few folks thought so at the time.

So, the whole deal was wrong. And everyone has been talking about it.

Evidently, at least for now, our new owner thinks that it wasn't necessarily EG's fault and that EG can build the basis for a winner.

Having Salary cap space is important to an owner. EG obviously pleased his boss back then (Abe).

I still think, at this point, we got the better end of a trade that sucked all around. We ditched Etan and Pech's contracts while getting to try out two middling players in exchange for a draft pick that was used on a player that isn't playing and is losing credibility.

Should the Spaniard end up an allstar, we can say it really sucked.

But to focus on that trade as the bad part of last season is just a little too focused.

the whole season sucked and that trade didn't really factor into it all that much.

Posted by: Blurred | July 9, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

It's not like there isn't a precedent. Stern did the same thing when he caught Kevin McHale and the Timberwolves tampering in the Joe Smith case. If he's going to stop Kevin Garnett and the Wolves from getting Joe Smith, he has to stop this.

This is a much bigger threat to the integrity of the game.

This whole incident already stinks, with rumors of influence by shoe companies and Hollywood agencies. But if this was being planned during the regular season, then this is worse than any referee scandal.

And Stern needs to do something immediately


Posted by: suliman215 | July 9, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse


Ugggh...You really can't see the difference in having the GM try to woo a player and another player doing it on his own volition?

Maybe he threw the games, but giving up is just giving up. As long as no one was paying you give up, it isn't illegal, just shows a bit about your character.

If the Gm or owner of the Heat was talking to Lebron in May or even 2 weeks ago, then that is tampering. If LeBron approached Wade at some club or whatever or the all star game or team USA camp and said, "Hey, I love South Beach and I love playing with you. Let's make it happen." then that is not against any rules.

maybe, if Pat Riley asked Wade to convince LeBron to come to Miami, then I would see a case.

So, how is your tin foil hat working out for you?

Posted by: Blurred | July 9, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

So where does ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY LEAVE THE WASHINGTON WIZARDS??? I was hoping for a Stoudamire or Boozer signing. Silly me. The sudden Abe Pollin twin, Ted Leonsis, doesn't want to spend that kind of money. Okay, so they target Travis Outlaw and Ryan Gomes, among other lesser NBA players. Too late--both Gomes and Outlaw have signed with other teams. The PROBLEM here is that when you ANNOUNCE to the world that "we are happy being not-so-good", no other solid NBA players want to come to Washington. And when you perpetuate that attitude even under new ownership, it sets a bad precedence for the future. Even the new Wizard organization now is labelled as "happy being sorry" and players don't forget that. So even in the next couple of years, what player will EVER want to come to DC and play when they KNOW team ownership has NO REAL INTEREST IN WINNING??!! The Wiz had a chance to shake that label with the change in ownership. Now it appears that even the low-level players in the NBA know that Washington is just an NBA dumping ground where bad players are sent for punishment and sorry players are sent for eventual release! Wizard management may be able to fool the silly fans who will continue to buy tickets, but talented NBA players are NOT going to come here next year or the year after because they know better that Washington--deep down--has no real interest in winning. The free agents who could help this team in 2010-11 are now pretty much signed by other teams. Sad, sad, sad. I had better hopes for Ted.

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth | July 9, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

What happens to Foye will happen to Yi next season. The player who is not good enough to warrant the team to exercise the option to keep him, and thus is headed for other team at a lower price. In the end, the team got nothing, but at least I understand Foye's signing last season, when the team was hoping to be a contender.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 9, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Miami would be a great spot for Miller, but if that 5 yr/$30 mil figure that's been reported is correct, it'll make it even tougher to fill out the roster. Besides, the Heat's first priority should be a big physical, bruising C to be Bosh's bodyguard.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Our differences on their expectations of being able to fill out the roster aside, I was kind of thinking the same thing. If you're only going to be able to 'splurge' on one guy outside of the big 3, should Miller really that guy?

Posted by: ts35 | July 9, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Al Thorton is going to make a huge jump this year...calling it

Posted by: merajc86 | July 9, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The fix is in! Who did it? I don't know.

Can you see Lebron and the refs arguing over who gets to throw the game?
Lebron wants to go to South Beach. The refs bet all they had on Cleveland. What a plot! They could keep sending Lebron to the free-throw line and he could just keep missing. Then, suddenly, they realize all of Boston's players have fouled out!

This is the absurdity of the current NBA.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | July 9, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The trade sucked because the players here, and the two guys that were brought in all never meshed together in a new system. Was it Flip? Arenas? Jamison & Butler? Haywood? or Miller and Foye?

We'll never know, what we do know is that there were too many variables and moving parts. The chemistry that this team knew before Arenas, Butler, and Jamison's injuries, blew up in everybody's face with the passing of time, added players, and everybody learning Flip's new system.

Ernie recovered quite nicely by using some of the cap space he had manuvered to get in "the deal' and the trade deadline house cleaning to pick up Seriphan to take on Hinrich's contract. In effect Ernie's been able to flip last year's trade into Hinrich and Seriphan by allowing Foye and Miller to walk.

Foye and Miller are both productive NBA players, and will both go on to have some nice years in the league. Here they were just two more ingredients in what became flopped attempt at retooling a team for another playoff run.

New owner is now rebuilding with a draft and develop our own stars approach. Ernie's quick housecleaning saved his job, Flip's track record as an NBA coach probably saved his. Both of their advice behind closed doors convinced Leonsis to give them a shot together.

Now Ernie and Flip are joined at the hip, I doubt one leaves Washington without the other losing his job too. That ought to keep them on the same page...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 9, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

A fifth OVERALL selection in the 2009 draft--GONE! Given away....for nothing!!! That alone should get Grunfeld fired. That was a building block--a big piece of the foundation for the future.

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth | July 9, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

for the Wizard to be a major contender in this year Gil Kirk and Wall have to be automatic with in 15ft for this team to go and Gil who can pass have to just score and if cover pass out to the automatic guy for a 16ft jumper to pick and roll to the basket.I like this team and they will surprise a lot of people this year. there talk that Cleveland and New York want Gil now and you know Orlando want him and all this talk about trading him. he still Washington best scorer and I hope is going no were.

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011 | July 9, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

A fifth OVERALL selection in the 2009 draft--GONE! Given away....for nothing!!! That alone should get Grunfeld fired. That was a building block--a big piece of the foundation for the future.

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth

Of course, if we had that piece of the foundation, we might have won enough games last year for EG to justify not blowing up the Big 3........

Posted by: ts35 | July 9, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011

there talk that Cleveland and New York want Gil now and you know Orlando want him

Sources?

Posted by: nmik | July 9, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

A fifth OVERALL selection in the 2009 draft--GONE! Given away....for nothing!!! That alone should get Grunfeld fired. That was a building block--a big piece of the foundation for the future.

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth

Beasley of Miami Heat No. 2 overall pick from the 2008 draft goes to the T' wolves. Minnesota must only part with a 2011 second-round.

Good thing Ernie didn't do something like Pat Riley (the Genius GM). At least he got something for the #5.

Posted by: VBFan | July 9, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Of course, if we had that piece of the foundation, we might have won enough games last year for EG to justify not blowing up the Big 3........

Posted by: ts35 | July 9, 2010 5:13 PM

So now you're saying Miller/Foye didnt even amount to what 1 rookie would have contributed last season? I thought Miller had a solid albeit bumpy season and was thought to have played relatively well? And Foye was more a victim of circumstance than simply lacking ability?

Posted by: divi3 | July 9, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Of course, if we had that piece of the foundation, we might have won enough games last year for EG to justify not blowing up the Big 3........

Posted by: ts35 | July 9, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The franchise, including EG, made some bad mistakes in the past year. They overreacted to the Arenas situation and panicked. They immediately started tearing apart the roster clearing up salary space....to sign WHO?? Nobody. They cleared up salary space just to save dollars! This is no way to run an NBA franchise unless you don't care about winning (which I suspect). Bad decisions followed by bad decisions. Like Pollin, I don't believe the new Wizard management WANTS to lose. But I don't think they want to be a winner as much as they just want to maintain a low-salaried, low-expense franchise....while convincing the fans they're really chasing success.

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth | July 9, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Well, The Wizards might win the big one in another... oh 6 years... Man, Pat Riley always gets his guys every time...

Look at my ring, look at the beach, no taxes, sign HERE!

Miami Starting 5 next year:

F - Lebron James
F - Chris Bosh
C - Shaquille O'neal
G - Dwayne Wade
G - Allen Iverson

bench... Mike Miller, Chalmers... & a bunch of who cares.

BOOK IT!

Posted by: tony325 | July 9, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

It all depesnds on the point of view which you wish to judge EG. If Evans was there last year at #5 and her traded that draft pick I would have been upset. He wasn't and everyone on this board was crying for Rubio. Other than Curry there wasn't really anyone in last year draft to cry over. And even Curry looked like a kid trying to play a man game.

I like to like at it like this. He turned the 48th pick in the 2006 draft Vladimir Veremeenko into #17 pick in the 2010 draft and the #7 pick in the 2003 draft.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | July 9, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

What happens to Foye will happen to Yi next season. The player who is not good enough to warrant the team to exercise the option to keep him, and thus is headed for other team at a lower price. In the end, the team got nothing, but at least I understand Foye's signing last season, when the team was hoping to be a contender.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 9, 2010 4:43 PM

Bingo. I fully understand that in a sense it doesnt matter because it's a wash when Yi leaves as QRoss wouldnt have been here either....but you're still bringing a dud player, doesnt matter that you do it with a preset list of excuses for when he doesnt pan out. Strikes me as not a terrible thing to do, but certainly not optimal.

We cant get too high on this horse of "Wiz were so savvy not to spend on FAs, now they can sit back and plot down the road"

Still gotta get decent before anyone will sign here!! so unless Ted's tortoise comment was meant to tell us the team is supposed to be lotto bound for the next 5yrs....there is some pressure to start winning. Not immediately of course, but some sense of urgency is needed!

Posted by: divi3 | July 9, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

So now you're saying Miller/Foye didnt even amount to what 1 rookie would have contributed last season? I thought Miller had a solid albeit bumpy season and was thought to have played relatively well? And Foye was more a victim of circumstance than simply lacking ability?

Posted by: divi3 | July 9, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

So, the answer is to let them both walk away? We only get one year of service for a 5th OVERALL draft selection?? A top five pick is supposed to be with your franchise for 10-12 years!! Not a one-year rental. Of course that pick is wasted--its garbage right now because we have nothing to show for it as soon as Miller walks away.

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth | July 9, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"Beasley of Miami Heat No. 2 overall pick from the 2008 draft goes to the T' wolves. Minnesota must only part with a 2011 second-round.

Good thing Ernie didn't do something like Pat Riley (the Genius GM). At least he got something for the #5.

Posted by: VBFan | July 9, 2010 5:23 PM

Pat Riley got just what he wanted for Beasley . . . nothing. The whole point of the trade was to free up cap space. Taking back a 1st round pick with guaranteed salary attached wasn't part of Riley's plan. Plus, since it's common knowledge that the Heat have been trying to dump Beasley almost from the moment they got him, the Heat weren't exactly dealing from a position of strength. It speaks volumes that the team's first move in pursuit of building a winning team (after getting the big 3 in house) was to get rid of Beasley. It says a lot about how little they think of him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 9, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

if healthy i still put my money on the Lakers!

why, because the Heat will be small upfront and the 2 7-footers for the Lakers will dominate inside just like they did against the Celtics. The Celtics might be able to dominate them inside as well as orlando. if the hawks had heart they could play with them too.

Posted by: oknow1 | July 9, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Plus if the did what they were suppose to do last year and the #5 pick had value there is no way in the world we would have gotten John Wall this year.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | July 9, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"A fifth OVERALL selection in the 2009 draft--GONE! Given away....for nothing!!! That alone should get Grunfeld fired. That was a building block--a big piece of the foundation for the future.Posted by: NothingButTheTruth"

Well, that pick might have yielded Steph Curry or Brandon Jennings. On the other hand, it might have turned into Jordan Hill (traded), Jonny Flynn (now on the trade block), or Ricky Rubio (you know where he is, and it ain't in the US).

Now before you start howling about how any other GM could have converted even duds like those into the next Magic Johnson, just remember that a much worse possible outcome would have been for the Wiz to win another few games and somehow wind up with the sixth or seventh pick. Then we could have spent the past couple months obsessing over whether Greg Monroe or Epke Udoh was the better rebounder or whether Al Aminu would ever learn to hit a jumper.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth | July 9, 2010 5:32 PM

I was somewhat agreeing with you and asking ts35 if he's changed his opinion of Miller and Foye, as previously he's talked about how well Miller in particular played.

Posted by: divi3 | July 9, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Shaq is going to Miami. You heard it here 1st.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 9, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Miami Starting 5 next year:
F - Lebron James
F - Chris Bosh
C - Shaquille O'neal
G - Dwayne Wade
G - Allen Iverson
bench... Mike Miller, Chalmers... & a bunch of who cares.BOOK IT!Posted by: tony325"

Bet the Lakers are salivating about the prospect of facing that lineup...

I dunno, LA still seems to me to be the stronger lineup. Depends on how much it hurts to lose Derek Fisher, and how much Artest and Odom can annoy James. I don't know who Miami would put on Gasol. If he recovers fully, Bynum is probably better than anybody the Heat can put on the floor at center.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Shaq is going to Miami. You heard it here 1st.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 9, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse
___________________-

Really?? maybe you should check my 5:30 pm post...

I wonder if Ted Leonsis still thinks you can't build a team via free agency...

Posted by: tony325 | July 9, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

As seems to be his custom, Shaq didn't just burn bridges on his way out he napalmed them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 9, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Ernest Grunfeld is doing the right thing.

What would you entrenched doubters have him do? Turn a blind eye to the obvious talent we already have under contract in the backcourt and offer Foye some ridiculous, long-term deal to make everything look good on the surface?

The man is doing everything the correct way and it's still not good enough for the chorus of haters singing the same old tired song.

When the Wiz are contending for a championship in the near future, what will the mob complain about then? The turnaround occurred too quickly? It's always something.

Take it from the jazzman--Ernest is composing a masterpiece one bar at a time, in the proper key and at the appropriate tempo. Patience, faithful.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 9, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

So now you're saying Miller/Foye didnt even amount to what 1 rookie would have contributed last season? I thought Miller had a solid albeit bumpy season and was thought to have played relatively well? And Foye was more a victim of circumstance than simply lacking ability?

Posted by: divi3

What I'm saying is that if those guys that we *absolutely* would have drafted with the #5 (i.e. Jennings or Curry) were on the team and were as awesome as those who advocate that we should have kept the #5 obviously think, then *how could we not* have won more games last year?

Plus, sarcasm aside, I thought our main problem last year (well, aside from Gilby The Kid) was that our PGs sucked. Even people who defend the trade feel free to admit that it's possible/likely Jennings or Curry are better suited for the PG position, at least for this team, than Foye or Boykins. Regardless, even just adding a promising rookie to the mix, even if we won the same amount of games, might have been enough for EG to hold on to what he had.

But who knows? The point is, people seem to feel like if we had kept the #5 last year, we'd be sitting here now with the team we have plus the #5, which likely would not be the case. Last season, as difficult and depressing as it was, led us to where we needed to go, i.e. ditching the "Big 3" and starting over.

Aside from that, I thought Miller did have a solid season. Miami, the Knicks and other teams obviously think so too. And I do think Foye has ability, but trying to be a straight PG is clearly not a good role for him. The kid did average 16 and 5 in Minnesota the year before which does speak to some level of ability. He also played pretty well in what was supposed to be his role alongside Gil before he got hurt, and got into a decent personal rhythm before getting hurt again, though he was never adept at running the team. I was gonna write "The Clippers obviously think he's got ability..." but that doesn't really help my case.

Posted by: ts35 | July 9, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

The franchise, including EG, made some bad mistakes in the past year. They overreacted to the Arenas situation and panicked. They immediately started tearing apart the roster clearing up salary space....to sign WHO?? Nobody. They cleared up salary space just to save dollars! This is no way to run an NBA franchise unless you don't care about winning (which I suspect). Bad decisions followed by bad decisions. Like Pollin, I don't believe the new Wizard management WANTS to lose. But I don't think they want to be a winner as much as they just want to maintain a low-salaried, low-expense franchise....while convincing the fans they're really chasing success.
Posted by: NothingButTheTruth

So you're saying you would much rather still have Jamison, Butler, Haywood, Stevenson, Etan, Songalia and Pech? Just making sure I understand you correctly.

Posted by: ts35 | July 9, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

can we just sign Luis Scola and Josh Childress and just call it a night?

Scola
Blatche
Childress
Arenas
Wall

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 9, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Has Riley announced that he is coming back to coach the team yet?

The Heat have about $20-25 million to sign 10-12 players with the salary cap. Is Mike Miller only a $5M player? What type of decent NBA center will you get for $5M? Bosh is not a physical presence. Who's the point guard, scorer or the defenders off the bench?

Wade and James are good but are they that good to compensate for everything? NO!!

this trio could be great in time, but they'll need at least a season or so to grow because they will be 15 guys that never played together.

Posted by: oknow1 | July 9, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, LA still seems to me to be the stronger lineup. Depends on how much it hurts to lose Derek Fisher, and how much Artest and Odom can annoy James.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse
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I agree, they won't win this year unless something were to happen to Kobe, but it's either Miami/Boston in the East.... then it's everyone else 20 rungs down... It's gonna be tough to challenge both of those teams in the foreseeable future.

Boston will be in the mix for another season or 2 but eventually age is going to catch up to them & they will have to rebuild when Pierce, Garnett, & Allen all grow old together. Leaving Chicago/Orlando to be the next challengers.

Too bad the CBA is coming up next year & all the good FA's to be in the next 1 or 2 years are resigning now which will lock the Wiz into mediocrity for even longer.

Posted by: tony325 | July 9, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

It is nice how people comment about tactical or strategic moves, but interchange the reasons for each thus proving whatever it is they want to crucify Leonsis or Grunfeld for.

1. the previous strategy was to build around the big three - win a championship for Abe.
2. when they all came back from injury, the tactic was to bring additional, better complementary pieces - so Miller and Foye.
3. side benefit - not signing a 1st rd. pick avoided the $2.5M that could instead be used for slightly better or more pieces than just one-for-one exchanges of Songaila, Thomas & Pecherov. Strategy still going for playoffs and the championship!
4. It all crashed down for whatever reason - and there are many. Number one was bringing in a new coach and a radically different new system. Caron vs. Gil was another. More injuries again, including Crittenton and Miller. Then the gun incident and Arenas suspension.
5. Clean up time. Now was this a tactical change or change in strategy? I say it was a huge change from going for a championship to rebuilding the team. Trade three or four of your more expensive guys, take back whatever you can to retain a halfway decent entertaining product. Trades aren't always win-win, so you take what you can get - Howard was good, Thornton was ok, Singleton was mediocre, Ross was terrible (??!)
6. Bam! more injuries! - Miller, Foye, Howard injured!
7. Tactical moves - hire cheap guys with 10 day contracts. Keep looking for those hidden gems. Found one in Shaun Livingston (but we later find out he won't come back and who can blame him?), and maybe one or two of the NBDL guys.
8. 2010 Draft - what do you think continuation of rebuild strategy?
Trade for additional picks, trade for a little cap space, and for necessary vet pieces. Quinton Ross was never going to play except in desperate situations. Got Yi, excellent move don't you think? Got Hinrich for a draft pick and they gave us money! Excellent move don't you think?
9. Hire no expensive free agents like Stoudemire, or Bosh, etc. Would the first tier guys have helped the championship strategy? But I thought we left that strategy already, didn't we? And could one or two big time guys get us a playoff spot surrounded by the rest of the team? So no, forget that tactic of trading up. Keep rebuilding!
10. Here we are rebuilding! Make a move here and there to help us get to a longer term goal.

And yet continuous whining on here about every single move because the grass is greener on the other side:
Why didn't we get Scaramouche instead of Seraphin, why did we get #56, we should have gotten #48. or Toronto got something for free why couldn't we? Or hey Leonsis (after yearly losing $20M on the Capitals and then coughing out another $150M to buy the Wizards) is too cheap! Or hey somebody beat us to Outlaw, Grunfeld is a nincompoop. etc etc ad nauseam.

Come On guys, our part of the Vegas summer league hasn't even started yet! If you are so unhappy then jump off the fan brigade!

Posted by: rickgonz | July 9, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The Heat have about $20-25 million to sign 10-12 players with the salary cap.
Posted by: oknow1 | July 9, 2010 6:02 PM
Your $25M figure is probably right, but not under the cap.
They probably wish they have that.
After accounting for Bosh, Wade and James totalling about $45M. Subtracting $1.03M for Joel Anthony and $855K for Chalmers, they are left with $11M for 8 more guys and remain under the cap. Of course they will do some magic tricks (exceptions) and end up over the cap. And perhaps will be spending as you said about $25M more.

Posted by: rickgonz | July 9, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

So where does ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY LEAVE THE WASHINGTON WIZARDS??? I was hoping for a Stoudamire or Boozer signing. Silly me. The sudden Abe Pollin twin, Ted Leonsis, doesn't want to spend that kind of money. Okay, so they target Travis Outlaw and Ryan Gomes, among other lesser NBA players. Too late--both Gomes and Outlaw have signed with other teams. The PROBLEM here is that when you ANNOUNCE to the world that "we are happy being not-so-good", no other solid NBA players want to come to Washington. And when you perpetuate that attitude even under new ownership, it sets a bad precedence for the future.

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth | July 9, 2010 4:38 PM

I totally agree with this post. After all, just look at how the Heat screwed up their team by not chasing after guys like Charlie Villanueva, Ben Gordon, Baron Davis, or Elton Brand the last few years.

Come on guys...It's called rebuilding. Personally, I'd rather they start out w/the approach that they are using. Put some young pieces together, see who works out and who doesn't, and once you see the identity of your team become clear you can spend money to both keep your core and add to it.

Philly was a young, up-and-coming team just a couple of years ago. Then they swung and missed with a few big contracts and look at them now.

Plus, considering the current "Arm Race" taking place in the NBA, I am kinda glad that the Wizards are currently a young team with room to grow rather than a bunch of players hitting their peak at a time when they can't measure up. (Dallas? Atlanta?)

Posted by: SportzWiz | July 9, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"So where does ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY LEAVE THE WASHINGTON WIZARDS??? I was hoping for a Stoudamire or Boozer signing. Silly me. The sudden Abe Pollin twin, Ted Leonsis, doesn't want to spend that kind of money. Okay, so they target Travis Outlaw and Ryan Gomes, among other lesser NBA players. Too late--both Gomes and Outlaw have signed with other teams. The PROBLEM here is that when you ANNOUNCE to the world that "we are happy being not-so-good", no other solid NBA players want to come to Washington. And when you perpetuate that attitude even under new ownership, it sets a bad precedence for the future.Posted by: NothingButTheTruth"

LOL sock puppet. I'm guessing it's Dan Snyder.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Pat Riley got just what he wanted for Beasley . . . nothing."

I believe the trade is for a 2nd round plus swap of future 1st round, which will be good for Miami, since Heat is expected to win while Minnesota will still stick at the bottom. So the swap of future 1st round cannot be overlooked.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 9, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

Exactly, Q Ross for Yi is a nothing for nothing trade. I would much rather getting Beasley than Yi. A higher risk but a higher reward too. Come to think of it, isn't Q Ross the kind of player that rounds out their roster? LOL!

Posted by: sagaliba | July 9, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"I agree, they won't win this year unless something were to happen to Kobe, but it's either Miami/Boston in the East.... then it's everyone else 20 rungs down... It's gonna be tough to challenge both of those teams in the foreseeable future."

I'm not so confident about Boston. Perkins is out until maybe midseason and I'm not a fan of Jermaine O'Neal. Orlando might be much better prepared after getting embarrassed in the playoffs. That's the sort of club that could trouble the Heat -- they rebound and they make Miami's stars play defense on the perimeter.

I just don't know about the Bulls. Assuming they hang on to Deng and put Boozer at PF, it then becomes an issue of who plays at the other guard spot and whether they sign another FA of immediate value.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Al Thorton is going to make a huge jump this year...calling it

Posted by: merajc86 | July 9, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

What off the 14th street bridge?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 9, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Supposedly Kyle Korver is signing with Chicago and taking that glossy 53.6% on 3 pointers with him. Kyle can play guard as long as he doesn't have to handle the ball too much (and with Derrick Rose, he shouldn't) but he was active for only 52 games last year. I'm guessing they'll sign another SG...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Nice going, Ernie. Way to waste the 5th pick. Typical Wiz management.

Posted by: la_terp | July 9, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Livingston may be on his way to CHI to back-up Rose. Combined with Korver that would be a solid way to replace Hinrich.

Posted by: akmed0 | July 9, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Who would have thought Steve Blake would be having much more success (and money) in the NBA than Juan Dixon?

Good for Steve!

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/100708lakerssignsteveblake.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 9, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

A fifth OVERALL selection just one year ago..in the 2009 draft--GONE! Given away....for nothing!!!for nothing!!! That alone should get Grunfeld fired. That was a building block--a big piece of the foundation for the future.

Posted by: yetanotherpassword | July 9, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"A fifth OVERALL selection just one year ago..in the 2009 draft--GONE! Given away....for nothing!!!for nothing!!! That alone should get Grunfeld fired. That was a building block--a big piece of the foundation for the future.Posted by: yetanotherpassword"

It's a regular sock puppet convention around here.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Who would have thought Steve Blake would be having much more success (and money) in the NBA than Juan Dixon?

Good for Steve!

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/100708lakerssignsteveblake.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 9, 2010 8:13 PM

True but agree or disagree, Stevie could pass as one of Abe's sons?? Just look at his pic in that link...

Posted by: Bullzards80 | July 9, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Great reporting Suliman!

Posted by: AscotAmos | July 9, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

"True but agree or disagree, Stevie could pass as one of Abe's sons?? Just look at his pic in that link...

Posted by: Bullzards80 | July 9, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse "

Blake looks more WASPY than Jew.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 9, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure AB is going to appreciate this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5367718

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 9, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

"Who would have thought Steve Blake would be having much more success (and money) in the NBA than Juan Dixon?"

Many people (including I) did. Blake is a PG, while Dixon is an undersized SG. People have long said that Dixon's future in NBA would depend on whether or not he can convert to PG. Unfortunately, he can't.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 9, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Wizards should think about going after Dorrell Wright...young and has potential if given minutes...only 24 and likes to rebound...

Posted by: merajc86 | July 9, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"Many people (including I) did. Blake is a PG, while Dixon is an undersized SG. People have long said that Dixon's future in NBA would depend on whether or not he can convert to PG. Unfortunately, he can't.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 9, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse "

Yes, and the same questions follow Vasquez.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 9, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Also agreed that Blake was a good point guard fit when he was with us. Knew he would last in the NBA for the very reasons as stated above.

Another player, not great at his position, like Haywood, but knows how to play it and adds overall effectiveness and chemistry to team play.

The quest for individual strengths oft times trump the good exploits of the average to good team player.

Coaches short on wisdom oft times overlook the importance of average team play and settle for the flashy individual play that gets you nowhere (Etan Thomas).

I liked Steve Blake from the very beginning and he actually made JD better the first time around becuase they played team ball.

Juan Dixon's second stint was rudderless here because there was no team ball being played.

Steve Blake will do well in LA, a team that really understands what team play is.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 9, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

@Melodius: you wrote "Take it from the jazzman--Ernest is composing a masterpiece one bar at a time, in the proper key and at the appropriate tempo. Patience, faithful. In Grunfeld We Trust!! Posted by: melodious_thunk | July 9, 2010 5:52 PM |
No sir. THIS Jazzman does not agree with you. He may be a good cap manager, but he has no idea how to assess a coach and the talent needed to develop a winning squad. Please don't embarrass the music again. Thank Ya!

Posted by: dcjazzman | July 9, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"Looks like Livingston may be on his way to CHI to back-up Rose. Combined with Korver that would be a solid way to replace Hinrich.
Posted by: akmed0"

Who's going to play defense on the other guy's shooting guard?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Livingston may be on his way to CHI to back-up Rose.

Where have you guys seen this? I've not seen any references.

Posted by: nmik | July 10, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Livingston may be on his way to CHI to back-up Rose. Combined with Korver that would be a solid way to replace Hinrich."
Posted by: akmed0

I don't know about that. Korver is a spot-up shooting SF with no real handle, Livingston is a skinny PG with bad knees and no lateral quickness, they're both awful defenders. Neither of these guys fills the starting SG role.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 10, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

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