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JaVale McGee returns to Team USA roster

JaVale McGee is back on Team USA, one week after he was cut from the squad. The Wizards center was added to the roster after New Jersey's Brook Lopez withdrew from the team.

Lopez, who has been recovering from mono, told USA Basketball officials Wednesday he did not believe he was in good enough condition to take part in training camp next week in New York, the Associated Press reported.

McGee joins Tyson Chandler as the only centers on the U.S. roster heading into next week's camp.

The United States will have to cut the team down to 12 players when it competes at the FIBA World Championships in Turkey from Aug. 28 to Sept. 12.

By Washington Post Sports  |  August 5, 2010; 9:09 AM ET
 
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(Knock on wood and fingers crossed) I hope this helps him/us as a team.

Posted by: Ty_the_DC_B-Ball_Fan | August 5, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Nothing but upside to McGee getting exposed to playing and preparing with some of the best players in the game under Coach K.

Only potential downside would be the chance of injury, but that can happen anywhere. McGee hasn't been logging heavy enough minutes that overall fatigue would become an issue.

I'd hope that now Team USA would carry him the whole way through since they've called him back. But every day of the preperation and work with some of the games best players has got to help the kid improve.

I see Shaq found a home in bean town. I'd still like to see Ernie add a guy with some physical toughness at the 5 spot.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 5, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Good - he needs the work

Posted by: junkmail0153 | August 5, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

This is good for the wiz. Get McGeezer some reps on a Coach K team. It seems like his teams are usually good with the ball and fundamentally sound, which is what McGee needs.

Much as I hate to admit that Coach K has any positive attributes.

Posted by: Matte | August 5, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

It seems as though Brook was a lock on the team based upon what he has accomplished so far in the NBA.

It was clear that McGee outperformed him in the tryouts. I wonder if Brook was not recovering from Mono and was completely healthy and McGee still outpermed him in the tryouts would McGee still have been cut in the first place anyway?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 5, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

outperformed him... sorry

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 5, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Much as I hate to admit that Coach K has any positive attributes.

Posted by: Matte | August 5, 2010 10:33 AM |
It's okay Matte, I am Carolina Blue all the way, but Coach K is that other Blue.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 5, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I still think the key for Javale is what the US team coaches require him to do in the games. If they stick to the plan of racing up and down the court on offense and pressuring on defense, he should look pretty good out there, dunking and blocking shots. If the games slow down and he's forced to body up with guys like Marc Gasol, we could be in for a long evening.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 5, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

From the AP wire:
"The Minnesota Timberwolves have waived guard Delonte West.West was acquired from Cleveland with Sebastian Telfair on July 26 in a trade that sent point guard Ramon Sessions and center Ryan Hollins to the Cavaliers.But West's $4.6 million contract was guaranteed for only $500,000 if he was waived by Wednesday.West pleaded guilty last month to weapons charges. He was sentenced to eight months of home detention, two years of unsupervised probation, 40 hours of community service and psychological counseling."

Posted by: Samson151 | August 5, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

It seems as though Brook was a lock on the team based upon what he has accomplished so far in the NBA.

It was clear that McGee outperformed him in the tryouts. I wonder if Brook was not recovering from Mono and was completely healthy and McGee still outpermed him in the tryouts would McGee still have been cut in the first place anyway?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

I think it was partly a style issue more so than a performance issue. Tyson Chandler plays essentially the same way as McGee does, whereas Lopez is a little more physical and definitely more of a low-post scorer. So even mono aside, it might have been more about style. Beyond that, personally I think Lopez's bb iq is a higher at this point, and I think that's appealing to the US staff. You heard it in Colangelo's statement, that JaVale, while very talented, is still a bit raw in their eyes.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Matte,
Got to agree Coach K's team's are always well prepared. But come ACC season I love it when he gets beat, he doesn't take it well...

What gets me to no end is some of his dirty play that he has to coach because all of his players do it. Like when there's a loose ball on the floor, Duke players all dive like they're going for the ball, but they go for their opponents legs.

They've been doing it for decades an almost never get a foul called for the manuver. That's it, that's my little anti-Dukie rant for the day...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 5, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

You know ts35 I can agree with that and accept it as being justifiable. When comprising a team, weighing the style and type of play you want should figure in.

I might be inclined to go with the all out style of McGee from the outset but his rawness swung the pendulum to Brook's style.

But that aside, I am somewhat concerned that McGee's BBall IQ is always getting knocked.

Even though, it is clear that he makes bad decisions and repeats them, I do not necessarily agree that in his case, that it is all because he has a low BBall IQ.

For instance, McGee's extreme athleticism and his confidence in the same may cause him to attempt plays that a lesser athletic will not attempt.

The lesser athletic player will not attempt some of things that a more atheletic player like McGee would because of his lesser ability.

When McGee is successful at these plays we are in awe but when he fails we say that is stupid of him.

We have to realize that McGee is still learning his own game and he is going to make mistakes and repeat them. He is a very young fella.

It is easy to say that McGee has a low BBall IQ, but I don't really think that is the case at all.

I would be inclined to say that McGee lacks experience and I also would go so far as to say that McGee BBall IQ is very good.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 5, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"For instance, McGee's extreme athleticism and his confidence in the same may cause him to attempt plays that a lesser athletic will not attempt."

What separates smart players from dumb ones is understanding that just because they can do something doesn't mean the should; an understanding that what constitutes a good play is not defined by what they think they can get away with but by what the team needs in that situation.

"We have to realize that McGee is still learning his own game and he is going to make mistakes and repeat them. "

That's not really a defense. An ability to learn from mistakes and a habit of repeating them is the benchmark of a low bball IQ. And it's not like the mistakes he makes are all on particularly complex tasks. He repeatedly displays a lack of understanding of some of the most fundamental aspects of the game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 5, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

For instance, McGee's extreme athleticism and his confidence in the same may cause him to attempt plays that a lesser athletic will not attempt."

What separates smart players from dumb ones is understanding that just because they can do something doesn't mean the should; an understanding that what constitutes a good play is not defined by what they think they can get away with but by what the team needs in that situation.

"We have to realize that McGee is still learning his own game and he is going to make mistakes and repeat them. "

That's not really a defense. An ability to learn from mistakes and a habit of repeating them is the benchmark of a low bball IQ. And it's not like the mistakes he makes are all on particularly complex tasks. He repeatedly displays a lack of understanding of some of the most fundamental aspects of the game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 5, 2010 12:48 PM |

This is all well and good and on the face of it, it may appear that yes his BBall acumen is in question.

But, on the other hand, we have to ask ourselves in the big scheme of things, in McGee's case, can any of this be attributal to his youthfulness and just plain lack of experience??

And if we can answer yes to that question and I think we can, we cannot necessarily draw the conclusion that McGee has a low BBall IQ.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 5, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Good experience with a top-notch coach! I hope he's there for the duration.

Posted by: richs91 | August 5, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

I think on some level it just gets back to how people define BB IQ, and as some talked about on these boards a couple of weeks ago, it may be overused to the point where it is now meaningless. So allow me to clarify.

By that I didn't necessarily mean his capacity to learn hoops, just his actual current knowledge / understanding / fundamentals.

IMO, Lopez is more fundamentally sound and at present has a greater understanding of basketball concepts, both offensively and defensively. I'm not saying Lopez is a basketball genius, just saying that I think he's enough ahead on the curve for it to make a difference to coaches like Coach K, D'Antoni, Boeheim and McMillian, and that it translates to his play on the floor.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Poor conditioning is an old problem for the Wizards/Bullets. I remember Mel Proctor and Phil Chenier agreeing on the fact that the Bullets players had noticably less muscle definition then their competition on a nightly basis due to poor conditioning. That was in the mid to late 80's.

Posted by: MeviousMan | August 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"than"

Posted by: MeviousMan | August 5, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Samson151

Has David Stern taken disciplinary action against west. He flew under the radar all last season regarding his case. I think playing for Cleveland with Lebron had something to do with the comish not going after him. Now that he no longer plays with James will he get suspended?

Posted by: ged0386 | August 5, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

But that aside, I am somewhat concerned that McGee's BBall IQ is always getting knocked.

Even though, it is clear that he makes bad decisions and repeats them, I do not necessarily agree that in his case, that it is all because he has a low BBall IQ.

For instance, McGee's extreme athleticism and his confidence in the same may cause him to attempt plays that a lesser athletic will not attempt.

The lesser athletic player will not attempt some of things that a more atheletic player like McGee would because of his lesser ability.

When McGee is successful at these plays we are in awe but when he fails we say that is stupid of him.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 5, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

You do realize everything you said is basically saying he has low basketball IQ?

It's basically saying he thinks he can make plays that sometimes he cannot.

It's saying that sometimes he goes for the play that he shouldn't.

He makes bad decisions...and repeats them.

He would rather play off of his athleticism...and jump out of the gym...to block a driving PG. You know...who he has almost a 2 foot advantage over.

He's athletic but clueless.

It is what it is.

IQ is court awareness..intelligence.

Maybe it's not the SMART thing to try to use my athletic ability instead of making the simple play. Reality is you CANNOT block every shot. Sometimes the best thing is to make them change their shot without jumping out of the gym.

Just like I feel dumber writing in your paragraph style.

SDMDTSUtheGhostOfShaunLivingston

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 5, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"If He repeatedly displays a lack of understanding of some of the most fundamental aspects of the game."

Just why is USA Basketball bringing him into camp again?

Seems that USA Basketball has come to a slightly different conclusion about his ability to learn the game and develop his skills then the statement above.

I'd tend to lean toward beleiving Coach K's evaulation of a player and his ability to play. USA Basketball has the time to have brought anyone in the league to NY to replace Lopez.

It's not like McGee happens to be in Vegas and he had a nice game and they said,"Hey Kid, You want to play some basketball?"

McGee has apparently shown an ability to pick up the system that Coach K is running and do a decent job of absorbing it in a relatively short amount of time. Otherwise there would have no advantage to invite him to NY over any other player in the country.

The kid has done a good job with an opportunity when it presented it's self to him. Wally Pipp probably went to his grave wishing he'd never took a day off. Success is when opportunity meets preperation. Seems that young Javele McGee is having a successful summer.

Coach K apparently sees something to like in McGee because he keeps bringing him back. We're talking about a coach that has a rep as one of the game's sharpest eyes for talent, and one who has a rep as a tough and demanding teacher who would rather field a smart team then one with more talent and less basketball IQ.

I just can't see where Coach K would devote more then 5 minutes of his time to a dumb player that repeats the same mistakes over and over again. It's just not something he's going to do...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 5, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Has David Stern taken disciplinary action against west. He flew under the radar all last season regarding his case. I think playing for Cleveland with Lebron had something to do with the comish not going after him. Now that he no longer plays with James will he get suspended?

Posted by: ged0386

With normal cases, the commish waits until the legal process plays out before deciding on suspensions. My understanding was that now that West has been sentenced, the league was considering whether to suspend him. The article I read speculated that West would likely only be suspended for a few games. Which is pretty much in-line with previous gun-related offenses (Stephen Jackson got suspended for 7 games when he fired his gun outside a night club).

Gil's and Crit's cases were different because a) the offense happened in an NBA locker room, and b) Gil sort of snubbed his nose at the Commish / League etc, with the whole finger-guns at half court thing.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"Just why is USA Basketball bringing him into camp again?"

Because the 4 or 5 guys they preferred all pulled out.

"It's not like McGee happens to be in Vegas and he had a nice game and they said,"Hey Kid, You want to play some basketball?"

Actually, it's pretty much exactly like that. Remember, prior to Lopez's withdrawal, McGee had been cut from the team. They'd already made a clear statement that they didn't think he was right/good enough for the final roster. Once Lopez dropped out, however, that left a slot open on the tryout list, and bringing in a guy who had already practiced with the team and was familiar with the sets (or as familiar as McGee ever is with sets) made more sense than (A) not filling the slot and leaving them short a body in scrimmages or (B) bringing in a new guy from the cold.


So, in answer to your question: "Just why is USA Basketball bringing him into camp again?"


Because it was convenient/expedient to do so.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 5, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Seems that USA Basketball has come to a slightly different conclusion about his ability to learn the game and develop his skills then the statement above.
Posted by: flohrtv

You do realize they invited *Robin* Lopez ahead of him, right?

I'd tend to lean toward beleiving Coach K's evaulation of a player and his ability to play. USA Basketball has the time to have brought anyone in the league to NY to replace Lopez.

Yeah except most of the other American centers have either a) begged off, b) have injuries or c) have other concerns like Amare's insurance issue.

They obviously do see things they like, and they do keep bringing him back, but they also keep dropping him for reasons too. As I posted elsewhere, upon getting cut the first time, Colangelo indicated that McGee was very talented, but very raw. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't support the notion that they some how have a much higher opinion of him than is being expressed here.


Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

It's also worth noting that he's still not actually on the team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 5, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

So technically the wizards has the second best American, non-injury prone, healthy, young center that doesn't have a 100-million dollar contract that doesn't think hes too good to play for FIBA. Also the Wizards would insure him if he got injured.

Anyways I hope he learns alot and takes it back to training camp. Coach K is a great teacher.

Posted by: jefferu | August 5, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

It's also worth noting that he's still not actually on the team.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Well, technically, I think he is now.

"USA Basketball also announced that Washington Wizards’ center JaVale McGee has been added to the USA Basketball Men’s National Team roster and has accepted an invitation to participate in the USA’s Aug. 10-16 training in New York City."

http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/national/brook_lopez_out_javale_mcgee__2010_08_04.html

Which is not to say he'll be one of the final 12, but it differentiates from yesterday where he was invited to practice but hadn't been added to the roster.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Which is not to say he'll be one of the final 12, but it differentiates from yesterday where he was invited to practice but hadn't been added to the roster."

No, it really doesn't. It's just a different way of stating what we already know: He's been invited to participate in the second camp, but he's not guaranteed a spot on the 12-man team roster that will actually compete in the tournament. That's exactly the same status he had before he was cut.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 5, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

No, it really doesn't
Posted by: kalo_rama

Well, it does to the extent that if he wasn't officially added to the roster when he was brought back, it would indicate he wouldn't even have the chance to compete to be one of the 12, but whatevers. Let's just say he has more of a chance now than he did 2 days ago :)

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"Well, it does to the extent that if he wasn't officially added to the roster when he was brought back, it would indicate he wouldn't even have the chance to compete to be one of the 12. . ."

Untrue. Everyone invited to camp has a chance to compete for one of the 12 spots. That's the whole point of the camp. Now, clearly, some guys have a better chance than others, but until the actual 12-man roster is set and announced, no one is fully in or out of the running.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 5, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Jerry Colangelo.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Robin Lopez has no post moves whatsoever, faces up just like Mcgee and gets virtually 100% of his production on ez putbacks and perfect passes from Nash. No idea why he's rising star on suns blogs (i assume) while around here Javale is the 'dummy' who cant even get cred for multiple invites to Team USA.

for some reason he doesnt even get cred when Flipper himself says he's playing well, just as he did after summer league. Specifically mentioned Mcgee was being more patient and how that was the key for him.

Perhaps now if JM doesnt feel he has to make a play every 15secs or get DNPd for a month, he'll calm down a little which alone will significantly help his play.

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Still didn't answer the question, why is USA basketball wasting their time with McGee?

Like I said, Coach K has no desire to coach a guy that can't learn even the basics.

McGee is raw, he's green, but anyone that's paying attention is seeing progress. That is apparently something that Team USA sees, or they wouldn't have asked him to NY.

Because if he didn't pick up any of their system, there would be no reason to bring him in over any other player that's available.
GM


Posted by: flohrtv | August 5, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

lordy, can we at least agree that the Wizard's Javale Mcgee is on the Team USA roster right now? It sure looks that way when you click "roster" on the Team USA website. Or read phrases like:

'USA Basketball also announced that Washington Wizards’ center JaVale McGee has been added to the USA Basketball Men’s National Team ROSTER'

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps now if JM doesnt feel he has to make a play every 15secs or get DNPd for a month, he'll calm down a little which alone will significantly help his play.

Posted by: divi3

Riiiiight, Flip makes him go for the pump-fakes.

Robin Lopez has no post moves whatsoever, faces up just like Mcgee and gets virtually 100% of his production on ez putbacks and perfect passes from Nash

And, even assuming that assessment is correct, it makes him inferior to McGee how? McGee blocks more shots, Robin plays more physical post defense. Personally, I'm not saying Robin Lopez is better, I only brought him up to refute the notion that Coach K is secretly seeing something in McGee that the rest of us can't see.

The fact that USA Basketball keeps bringing McGee back does speak to his talent and his improvement. But obviously their opinion is that he also still has a little ways to go. And personally, I wasn't saying that McGee is a dummy, just that Brook Lopez is a farther along in his basketball knowledge and fundamentals.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Still didn't answer the question, why is USA basketball wasting their time with McGee?

Like I said, Coach K has no desire to coach a guy that can't learn even the basics.
Posted by: flohrtv

Yes, he obviously has picked up enough for them to bring him back. But when you made the statement that they brought him in despite being able to bring in any number of other guys instead, I think we were just making the point that there actually aren't a lot of other guys they could bring in right now.

No question they see things they like in McGee, but let's not extrapolate that farther than is warranted.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Brook Lopez is considered a poor defender and middling rebounder. That never seems to get acknowledged when his bball iq and supposed fundamentals are constantly being lauded. Arent defense and rebounding fundamentals?

How come Lopez isnt a guy who is just padding stats with unlimited shots on the single worst team in the entire league?

Now, I'm not saying that's what he is, just that few players can fully withstand the microscopes we put our own guys under.

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

lordy, can we at least agree that the Wizard's Javale Mcgee is on the Team USA roster right now?
Posted by: divi3

No.

Kidding! Whatever the heck Kalo and I were arguing about, I think we were talking about two different things. I *believe* Kalo was making the point that "Yes, they brought him back, but it's not like he's made the 12-man roster yet"

Whereas I was actually wondering if they might have just brought him back to even out the practice and game rotations. Obviously with the number of games they have coming up in NY and going forward, they might want to make sure they don't overly risk injuries, but more importantly fatigue, etc. If they hadn't actually added him to the official roster, then that would be a possible reason why. But since he is on the official roster, no reason to expect that he doesn't have at least an outside shot of making the 12.

Regardless, whether he ends up getting to go or not, the extra practice time with the team is definitely a good thing and an opportunity McGee has on whatever level, earned.


Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Riiiiight, Flip makes him go for the pump-fakes
Posted by: ts35

With all that goes wrong during a 26 win season, are you saying Flip yanks Mcgee out because he bit on one or two pump fakes?

I've read this excuse numerous times on this board and I find it ridiculous.

The Wizards SUCK because they

couldn't outshoot anybody

couldn't defend

could't outrebound anybody

couldn't turn it up when it counts

couldn't grab a loose ball when it counts

Not beccause Javale Mcgee bites on pump fakes. If that's Flips pet peeve and the one thing he has zero tolerence for he is not the right coach for this team.

Posted by: millineumman | August 5, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

That never seems to get acknowledged when his bball iq and supposed fundamentals are constantly being lauded.

However good his BB IQ and fundamentals are, all I was saying is that right now, they're better than McGee's.

How come Lopez isnt a guy who is just padding stats with unlimited shots on the single worst team in the entire league?

It's entirely possible he is, but he doesn't get unlimited shots - 18 pts last year on 14 shots a game. In the back half of last year, AB was getting around 20.

For reference, here's DraftExpress's post-rookie year analysis of Lopez

Rebounding
"Lopez is a fundamentally sound player and pays great attention to detail, and this is never more evident than when he is cleaning the glass. He does an outstanding job of boxing out, driving his man away from the basket and keeping him on his back. Establishing the same strong base when boxing out that he does in the paint offensively, he is not afraid to be physical. The toughness he displays often allows him to get a hand on the ball even when he isn't in ideal position to do so."

Defense
"Lopez has been terrific on this end of the floor. He's very active and always in tune to what's going on around him. He currently ranks 5th in the league in blocked shots, with 1.9 per game. While that is an impressive stat, the way Lopez records those blocks is equally impressive; often keeping the ball in play to spark the Nets high powered fast break. He does a great job of staying in his stance for whole possessions as well. ... He doesn't leave his feet a lot or over commit, showing good discipline in standing his ground and getting his hands up to alter shots with his giant standing reach."

Now there is a school of thought (Hollinger for one) that says that he's pretty much as good right now as he's going to get, but suffice to say that he has established enough bona fides to be considered ahead of McGee right now.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Brook Lopez is considered a poor defender and middling rebounder. That never seems to get acknowledged when his bball iq and supposed fundamentals are constantly being lauded. Arent defense and rebounding fundamentals?

How come Lopez isnt a guy who is just padding stats with unlimited shots on the single worst team in the entire league?

Now, I'm not saying that's what he is, just that few players can fully withstand the microscopes we put our own guys under.

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Difference is YOU don't look at them under the same microscope.

You say Blatche is clearly an all-star talent now...but then you ask this "hypothetical" question about Brook Lopez. How come Lopez isnt a guy who is just padding stats with unlimited shots on the single worst team in the entire league?

But Blatche basically did the same thing...for half of a season.

I don't think McGee is judged unfairly. It's the same criticisms. Athletic, but not fundamentally sound. Wasn't he a guard coming up? It's expected. He's raw. He's obsessed with the spectacular, ignoring the basic. Very common with the "Sportscenter Generation"

So I don't know why you think McGee is judged differently. Team USA picked Lopez, Amare, Lee, Chandler, Robin Lopez ahead of JaVale for a reason. Even after seeing him last season.

Making excuses for players and then saying the "microscope" isn't fair...is crazy. He was afraid he was going to get pulled if he made a mistake. Dom sure didn't have that issue when he got here.

JaVale needs to find something good and JUST DO that. He's not gonna figure everything out at once. Maybe a SINGLE move. Rebounding...ALTERING shots. Something.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 5, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

With all that goes wrong during a 26 win season, are you saying Flip yanks Mcgee out because he bit on one or two pump fakes?

Posted by: millineumman

No. I was disputing divi's notion that McGee's play suffers primarily because he's worried about having to make a play every 15 secs or get DNP'd for a month.

My personal opinion is that Flip pulled him for a variety of things. First and foremost because he was trying to coach a veteran team and didn't want to deal with the mental lapses of young players. When the season started going into the tank, he decided to rely on his vets to try to right the ship. Clearly that tact failed. And Flip was too slow to switch gears.

And my personal opinion is also that McGee struggles because he doesn't focus as much as he should on making the fundamentally sound play as opposed to the spectacular play. He showed *some* improvement in that area in Summer League. Although watching him jump out of the gym, twice, on pump-fakes from Nik Caner Medley, on the same play.....does tend to linger in my mind and color my impressions.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Hollinger on JaVale:

2008-09 outlook: I wasn't sure whether to be impressed or disgusted. McGee showed off so much talent in his rookie season that you could barely take your eyes off him. Yet he had so little idea what he was doing out there that opponents routinely ran circles around him on defense.

This can be seen as glass-half-full or glass-half-empty. On the one hand, if this guy ever figures out how to play, he's a certain All-Star. The 7-footer averaged 17.1 points, 10.3 boards and 2.6 blocks per 40 minutes; shot 9-of-19 on long 2s; and achieved one of the best PERs in his rookie class despite having no clue what was going on half the time.

On the other hand, he might have been the worst pick-and-roll defender in the league last year, averaged a foul every 7.4 minutes, and about five times a game did something that made you ask, "What the hell was he thinking right there?"

Given his size and leaping ability, McGee was surprisingly ordinary around the basket, converting 53.5 percent in the immediate basket area with an unexceptional rate of free throws. On inside shots that weren't right at the rim, he was just 20-of-67, betraying his lack of a quality post arsenal.

Scouting report: McGee is one of the league's most athletic big men. He flies up the floor in transition, soars in the air to block shots, and sports a nice midrange J that should make him a quality pick-and-pop weapon with practice. What makes him unusual for a big-man project is that he can already score; he just needs to figure out the other stuff.

He's definitely a project, though. He doesn't have a lot of basketball experience, and this shows itself on defense. He has absolutely no clue what he's doing at that end, especially against pick-and-rolls. He also doesn't use his size effectively in post defense -- he just plays behind the man and then tries to block the shot, which works really well when you're a 7-foot freak playing in the WAC but isn't nearly as effective against players the same size.

McGee also leaves his feet routinely when going for blocks; between him and Andray Blatche, perhaps no center combo in basketball history has been more susceptible to pump-fakes. One reason McGee's rebound rate was so ordinary was because he took himself out of so many plays going for blocks that he didn't get.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 5, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

What makes him unusual for a big-man project is that he can already score; he just needs to figure out the other stuff.

That whole statement makes the rest of his analysis dubious at best ;-)

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Hollinger on Brook Lopez

2008-09 season: We need to have a little discussion about Rookie of the Year awards. Is it for the guy who shows the most long-term potential? Is it the guy who gets the most media attention? Or is it for the guy who plays the most effectively as a rookie?

If we're judging it solely by that last criterion, then Lopez got jobbed. For all the attention given to Chicago's Derrick Rose, Lopez was clearly better as a rookie. He comfortably outdistanced Rose in PER (17.94 to 16.05) and estimated wins added (9.1 to 7.3). He was a better defender, too, though that isn't saying much given Rose's flammability. Unfortunately, Lopez was playing in basketball Siberia while Rose was featured on national TV several times.

Lopez showed a nice midrange touch, hitting 42.6 percent of his long 2s, and at 7-foot was able to finish in the paint and make short shots in the paint. He hit 54.3 percent of his inside shots, with the only quibble being a poor free throw rate. He rated 55th among the league's 67 centers in free throw attempts per field goal attempt, which is a shame since few big men are better from the stripe (79.3 percent).

Lopez also showed a surprising capacity to block shots, rejecting 2.4 per 40 minutes. The other surprise was how easily he stayed on the floor, as his foul rate of 4.11 per 40 minutes was among the lowest at his position. Even so, he played only 30.5 minutes per game for reasons that aren't entirely clear to me. Since so many folks still worship at the altar of per-game averages, those missing minutes probably helped cost him the Rookie of the Year trophy.

Scouting report: Lopez is a deft low-post scorer with a big frame. He can shoot, especially turnarounds over his right shoulder, and is able to get deep post position. When forced outside he's a decent midrange shooter and his range is likely to improve with age. He also can fake the J and put it on the floor, and may resort to that ploy more often in coming seasons.

Defensively, he's not exceptional, but he's adequate. Lopez isn't a dominating athlete but has good timing on blocks and holds his own on the boards. He's reasonably mobile and though he had some struggles in pick-and-roll defense, he should improve in that area as he learns more about NBA defense. Against post-ups, he's already solid.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 5, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"You say Blatche is clearly an all-star talent now...but then you ask this "hypothetical" question about Brook Lopez. How come Lopez isnt a guy who is just padding stats with unlimited shots on the single worst team in the entire league?

But Blatche basically did the same thing...for half of a season."

for the record, the only reason I have ever brought that up was in direct response to people constantly using that reasoning towards AB. Now I just throw out there whenevr it fits.

Personally, I dont buy into it in either case. Lopez and AB are guys that can put the ball in the hoop, really doesnt matter what the circumstances would be- they can score based on possession of superior offensive skills.

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

What makes him unusual for a big-man project is that he can already score; he just needs to figure out the other stuff.

That whole statement makes the rest of his analysis dubious at best ;-)

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I saw that like he does? I can't remember him scoring outside of a dunk or lay-in...and the occasional jumper from the elbow.

It's almost like people think because I have an honest opinion about JaVale...or anyone else. I don't want them to improve or get better...or that I want the team to be unsuccessful. I'm not BF78 or DC_Man...lol

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 5, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

All the experts! I'm happy that JaVale has been invited to come back to the team, the guy has a wealth of talent. I hoped that the Wizards would see fit to bring a big man coach onboard the staff and maybe that will happen but I'm elateded that JaVale will have the opportunity to work with the Team USA staff and against the young elite athletes on the team. This experience will only help him, skill-wise, and certain expand his court awareness. The great coaches will help him improve in so many area. So many comments on this site are so negative, so many experts, its frustrating to read! But I thirst to know more about the team and what the players are doing these days. Are the players scrimmaging at the Verizon Center daily? Is Gilb The Wizards as a franchise have taken a big step forward even if we do have the same GM and coach. I'm optimistic about the future and look forward to these guys blending.

Posted by: zbopjazz | August 5, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry computer has a mind of its own. Has Gilbert returned to DC and have he and John Wall hit the practice courts yet? The Wizards as a franchise have taken a big step forward even if we do have the same GM and coach. I'm optimistic about the future and look forward to these guys blending. By the way, Cartier Martin and the young guard looked great, I hope they are signed. Let's get it on! Peace.

Posted by: zbopjazz | August 5, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"USA Basketball also announced that Washington Wizards’ center JaVale McGee has been added to the USA Basketball Men’s National Team ROSTER'

Yes. Their training camp roster. He's on the Team USA roster the same way Aaron Pettway was on the Wizards roster at summer league. Really, what's so hard to understand?

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 5, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"But since he is on the official roster, no reason to expect that he doesn't have at least an outside shot of making the 12."

Which would be the same "outside shot" he had of making it before he was cut. His status with regard to making the actual competition team is no different now than it was before; as long as he's in camp, he has a shot at making the team. (The only thing that may have changed are his odds, now that Lopez is out, but I'm not even convinced that's the case.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 5, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

as long as he's in camp, he has a shot at making the team.
Posted by: kalo_rama

Unless of course they brought him back just to be a practice player.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Let's cut to the chase. JaVale McGee has no business being on Team USA. He's on the squad by default. It's a nice local story, but this kid hasn't done anything in the NBA yet.

Posted by: randysbailin | August 5, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't ordinarily fall in line with Hollinger, but Brook Lopez really was a heck of a player last season. That's one guy I'd like to see on the Wiz, if just for his ability in the half-court. Better than Rose? That I don't see.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 5, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

If you think Flip was hard on McGee by pulling him for making mistakes...Coach K recruits players with a high degree of BB IQ so it looks like McGee will be seeing a lot of bench time.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 5, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"I don't ordinarily fall in line with Hollinger, but Brook Lopez really was a heck of a player last season."

His defensive stats at 82games are....interesting.

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

When JaVale was drafted, he was seen as a 3-4 year "project." He is coming up on his third year in the league, and by all projections is ahead of schedule. Obviously, he is still very green but it is all relative. I agree with Larry that his basketball IQ is not low, but that his youthful exuberance and desire to be flashy overrides his thinking AT THIS POINT. He just needs to settle down, get SportsCenter out of his mind, and focus on WINNING. He is 22 years old, with only two years of college and three professional coaches in two years. I'll take it.

As for Team USA, they see POTENTIAL in McGee. It's not so much what he is right now, as it is what he can be. They feel they can mold him into the player his potential projects, and I think we can all agree that his potential is HUGE!

Posted by: bpybay | August 5, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's cut to the chase. JaVale McGee has no business being on Team USA. He's on the squad by default. It's a nice local story, but this kid hasn't done anything in the NBA yet.

Posted by: randysbailin | August 5, 2010 6:35 PM
Maaaaaaaaan! Accidents don't just happen..You have to position yourself, to be in positon. If McGee didn't do ANYTHING, he would have never been noticed or selected. Default or whatever you want to call it. The man is fortunate. This is a blessing in disguise for him (and Wiz). I don't care if he rides the bench, a practice player, etc. etc. this experience is going to help him tremendously. Great coaching and Great players around him. WATCH! He really hasn't played basketball that long.

Posted by: Newington32 | August 5, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

He is 22 years old, with only two years of college and three professional coaches in two years. I'll take it.

Strangely, you know who else also fits that exact description? Brook Lopez. It doesn't mean anything, it's just an odd coincidence.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty amazing how this blog has skewed. I've been reading kalo-rama say exactly the same things that DC_MAN 88 was saying -- only the target is McGee for kal and it is Gil for the DC-MAN. Both commentaries are filled with hate for their targets, with little quarter given for "youthful exuberance" or simple immaturity.

McGee is getting a tremendous opportunity to work on his game. Why the hell would ANY Wizards fan object to that, go out of his way to piss all over this guy who's working his tail off to get better?

Sometimes, when I'm reading this blog (particularly when Michael has been away for awhile), and I get to the end, I feel dirty and abused. I may have learned one thing, but I've been subjected to 18 different ways of ignorance.

Posted by: zinger1 | August 5, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Strangely, you know who else also fits that exact description? Brook Lopez. It doesn't mean anything, it's just an odd coincidence.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 10:25

Not exactly. Lopez played way more in college over those 2yrs, and logged 2500mins his rookie nba season...JM has played 2100 minutes in his nba career so far.

That makes a massive difference in how a player develops. Obviously there are reasons their circumstances are what they are, but much has been made recently about how much difference being a high pick makes in your career. Teams force feed you minutes.

Why do you think I rail on all those ridiculous DNP's and 3min games so often? Complete waste!

Let's see where Mcgee is after another 2500mins of floortime

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"Lopez played way more in college over those 2yrs, and logged 2500mins his rookie nba season...JM has played 2100 minutes in his nba career so far.That makes a massive difference in how a player develops. Obviously there are reasons their circumstances are what they are, but much has been made recently about how much difference being a high pick makes in your career. Teams force feed you minutes.Why do you think I rail on all those ridiculous DNP's and 3min games so often? Complete waste!"

Well, the big flaw here seems to be the assumption that Lopez' minutes were 'force-fed' to him because he was picked 10th in the draft. Sure don't see any evidence provided to support that, other than a vague reference to some unidentified earlier discussion. Could be that Lopez' minutes were a reflection of team need at the center position, or just because he was so much more skilled coming into the NBA than, say, Javale McGee (even though Lopez is actually younger).

That also leads you to infer that McGee's minutes have been curtailed because he was drafted 18th instead of 10th -- that's pretty hard to swallow -- or because the coach didn't like him, or didn't like rookies, or whatever -- a belief for which there's not a lot of objective support.

Easiest explanation would be that Lopez was ready to play and McGee wasn't, despite McGee being a few months older. You're certainly correct that Lopez had the better college career.

Or maybe McGee is just a late bloomer. Lot of big men are.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 5, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

"or because the coach didn't like him, or didn't like rookies, or whatever -- a belief for which there's not a lot of objective support."

Javale could have been the 2nd coming of Wilt and EJ still would have played Darius, that's just how we roll around here. Flip played mcgee less than 10mins on 40 different occasions last season, guess he just want ready to play....but now he's with Team USA? Doesnt make much sense.

Flip can get a pass on that to some extent, the dynamics and circumstances of last year's team were surreal. But it's too bad he didnt take it out on Caron instead, another 600mins of burn could have only helped JM

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

You know my daddy usta' always tell me. A smart player will beat a dumb one anytime. No matter how you slice and dice it, a dumb player almost always comes' up short.

Ya' see smartness he usta' say would always find a way to use whatever talents big or small to its advantage.

Tells yawls what that thinks McGee has a low BBall IQ.

Lets have McGee and thatarera' Mr. Lopez fellow play some games of one on one. Let's say maybe five of them to 11 one point at a time.

Like we usta' do back in day.

Yo folks that think thattherera' McGee fella is so dumb compared to thattharra' Lopez fella, how many games of the five ya' think Lopez would win???

McGee might let him win one. But, however, if the cat was out of the bag that folks thought he was dumber than thatarera' Lopez fella, McGee would not let Lopez win nary' a game.

Ya heard me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 6, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

In fact if challenged, I am sure that Lopez fella would not even accept it.

LarryInClintonMD.

You see, it isn't really that Lopez is smarter than McGee, some bloggers here are really trying to make the case that McGee is a dumb player, when in reality he is absolutely not!!!

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 6, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

I read an article two weeks ago and McGee
had the third highest blocking shots
percentage.

Paul + Chandler= dunk
Wall + McGee= monster dunk

I feel like Wall, Blatche, and McGee can
be very fun to watch for the next two or
three years. All three have something to
prove.

Posted by: grayterrence | August 6, 2010 2:14 AM | Report abuse

"That theory assumes that all weight rooms, trainers, and most importantly, COACHES are created equal. Obviously they're not. You're basically saying that the fact a player is on an nba team immediately puts to rest any concern over their development. Obviously that isnt the case given that teams do things differently and personnel quality varies."

No...that "theory"/reality assumes that NBA athletes work in one of the most prosperous sports leagues in the world and, therefore, have access to the best the world has to offer for their sport. Even a bad coach in the NBA is still a top coach worldwide. Also, it immediately puts to the rest the notion that somehow NBA franchises hold back or slow down a player's development. Either they got talent and a work ethic or they don't. Either they mature or they don't. It's pretty simple. The number of cases where an athlete's lack of development can be directly attributed to some lackluster franchise or coach or GM or whatever is miniscule to nil. In other words, it's made up in your head and other sports pundit's heads so they can have something to chatter about everyday. The bottom line is you either got the talent and/or the work ethic it takes to be one of the top basketball players in the world or you don't. It's not hand holding grade school or HS basketball anymore Dorothy.

And, Div, get off JM's jock. We all want him to succeed but let's not make him into something he isn't and no team/coach in the NBA would have given him major mins. He couldn't even play them if given the opportunity bc he has endurance issues!

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 6, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Good for McGee!

Seriously do US really have to win this event.

Posted by: shamken | August 6, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

To all of you so called basketball experts plain ole hating on a guy that looks as if his career is taking off, go jump off a cliff somewhere and take your hate with you. Every time I read one of these blogs I feel dumber for doing so.

Posted by: flsnupe | August 6, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

"No...that "theory"/reality assumes that NBA athletes work in one of the most prosperous sports leagues in the world and, therefore, have access to the best the world has to offer for their sport. Even a bad coach in the NBA is still a top coach worldwide. Also, it immediately puts to the rest the notion that somehow NBA franchises hold back or slow down a player's development. Either they got talent and a work ethic or they don't. Either they mature or they don't. It's pretty simple. The number of cases where an athlete's lack of development can be directly attributed to some lackluster franchise or coach or GM or whatever is miniscule to nil."

I know it's important for you to lay 100% of all blame on players at all times, but come on, you can't seriously believe that there arent major differences in how franchises are operated. The bad coaches are still top coaches? Ed Tapscott is a "top coach worldwide"???

It's much simpler to tell yourself that Nick Young is the reason for so many losses, but in reality many organizations in the sports world have systemic problems that go beyond the work ethic of their players. Teams are bad for decades, just bad luck they acquired lame players? Who just happen to thrive after being traded? Come on

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Intersting, to support their low opinion of McGee some on here used Hollinger's rating from LAST summer. That was before a year under Flip where he started to gain consistant minutes in the second half of the season and this summer's surge in play.

I will agree with the notion of McGee's starting point in the NBA. He had some of the poorest fundamentals of any big man I had seen come into the league.
The kid got drafted on pure athletic ability and projected upside.

What he has done is shown some steady improvement this summer. It looks like he's been in the weightroom and he's gained some body strength. He continues to grow and mature into his body, It's now starting to look like he's going to be more like 7'1" to 7'2" when he's done growing.

He put together some games in summer league this year that he had no ability to even dream about last year. Sure, it's Summer League, and going into his third NBA season he SHOULD be able to dominate there. But guess what, he did what was expected of him, and maybe more.

In some ways McGee is following a similar developmental path to Blatche. After last summer's stellar summer league, Dray closed out the season on a very solid run of games.

Now the goal is for Blatche to be able to average 20+ points and 8 rebounds for a season. With the additional scorers onboard, I'd actually be more content to see something like 16/10, because rebounding is going to be an issue for this team.

It greatly pains some posters on this board to see Blatche and McGee develop because they have invested so much of their time on this board running down both players.

Last week McGee had NO CHANCE to be on the final roster of USA Basketball. This week he's practicing with the team and has a chance to go to the World Championships. It's that simple.

From a basketball developmental point of view, McGee appears to have made the most of this summer. He's been in the gym and on the floor honing his body and game, he's improved to the point that we're not comparing him to Roy Hibbert anymore, he's being compared to Brook Lopez.

That's the Brook Lopez who was the best center in the draft a couple of years back. What McGee has done without a lot of fanfare is elevated his game to the point of being discussed amoung the league's best young centers. Even his detracters are using Brook Lopez as a point of comparison.

That's just a wee bit of improvement when it's compared to last summer...

Nice job Javele, you deserve what you have earned through your hard work...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 6, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

wasn't somebody on here saying that JMc was 6'6" throughout HS and had a 6 inch growth spurt his senior year. I think it was flohrtv that said Javale was a wing player all the way up until he had the growth spurt. i think that's really telling and gives insight as to why he plays like he's playing a video game sometimes. i think in a lot of ways he still surprises himself with the things he's able to do. He's only been 7'1" (his current height) for about 6 months. before that he'd only been 7 foot for 3-4 years. He's still learning his body, on the fly as a pro basketball player. He's not where we want him to be but maybe he's exactly where he should be given his late-bloomer,ohysical development. I dunno. maybe we should lay off him because by now it should be understood that he's gonna "Wow" us a lot and make us scratch our heads a lot, maybe even in the same sequence of plays. I don't know if there is a downside to McGee, when you think about him being a project and his current progression. Once again, he's not where some of us want him to be, but he's gotten better each offseason.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | August 6, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10, That's my point, we're seeing a 7'+ guy that's young and still growing and is about the same age as Aldridge from this year's draft.

Alderidge is a very sound big man with solid fundamentals and is reputed to be a very smart player.

Why didn't Team USA give him a call instead of McGee?

It would appear that McGee's stock has risen based on this summer's play. That's all you can ask him to do. Show improvement...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 6, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

You know my daddy usta' always tell me. A smart player will beat a dumb one anytime. No matter how you slice and dice it, a dumb player almost always comes' up short.

Ya' see smartness he usta' say would always find a way to use whatever talents big or small to its advantage.

Tells yawls what that thinks McGee has a low BBall IQ.

Lets have McGee and thatarera' Mr. Lopez fellow play some games of one on one. Let's say maybe five of them to 11 one point at a time.

Like we usta' do back in day.

Yo folks that think thattherera' McGee fella is so dumb compared to thattharra' Lopez fella, how many games of the five ya' think Lopez would win???

McGee might let him win one. But, however, if the cat was out of the bag that folks thought he was dumber than thatarera' Lopez fella, McGee would not let Lopez win nary' a game.

Ya heard me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 6, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

This might be your dumbest post ever. That's the problem. It's NOT one-on-one. It's a TEAM game. When Javale makes those LOW IQ plays...it hurts the TEAM.

He's gonna do A LOT of bonehead stuff...and give you some jaw dropping moments. He just needs to balance that out and be solid on a consistent basis.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

You know my daddy usta' always tell me. A smart player will beat a dumb one anytime. No matter how you slice and dice it, a dumb player almost always comes' up short.

Ya' see smartness he usta' say would always find a way to use whatever talents big or small to its advantage.

Tells yawls what that thinks McGee has a low BBall IQ.

Lets have McGee and thatarera' Mr. Lopez fellow play some games of one on one. Let's say maybe five of them to 11 one point at a time.

Like we usta' do back in day.

Yo folks that think thattherera' McGee fella is so dumb compared to thattharra' Lopez fella, how many games of the five ya' think Lopez would win???

McGee might let him win one. But, however, if the cat was out of the bag that folks thought he was dumber than thatarera' Lopez fella, McGee would not let Lopez win nary' a game.

Ya heard me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 6, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

This might be your dumbest post ever. That's the problem. It's NOT one-on-one. It's a TEAM game. When Javale makes those LOW IQ plays...it hurts the TEAM.

He's gonna do A LOT of bonehead stuff...and give you some jaw dropping moments. He just needs to balance that out and be solid on a consistent basis.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"Javale could have been the 2nd coming of Wilt and EJ still would have played Darius, that's just how we roll around here. Flip played mcgee less than 10mins on 40 different occasions last season, guess he just want ready to play....but now he's with Team USA? Doesnt make much sense.posted by divi3"

Like I said, a belief for which there's not a lot of objective support...

Posted by: Samson151 | August 6, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10, That's my point, we're seeing a 7'+ guy that's young and still growing and is about the same age as Aldridge from this year's draft.

Alderidge is a very sound big man with solid fundamentals and is reputed to be a very smart player.

Why didn't Team USA give him a call instead of McGee?

It would appear that McGee's stock has risen based on this summer's play. That's all you can ask him to do. Show improvement...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 6, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

McGee did try out last season...so it's a little familiarity with what they want. Especially with them trying to keep players together that have played. I think the camp lasted less than a week. McGee made more sense than Aldridge. Trying to get him in and teach him what they wanted AND evaluate him.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"lilhollywood10, That's my point, we're seeing a 7'+ guy that's young and still growing and is about the same age as Aldridge from this year's draft.Alderidge is a very sound big man with solid fundamentals and is reputed to be a very smart player.Why didn't Team USA give him a call instead of McGee?posted by flohrtv"

You mean Cole Aldrich from this year's draft? Well, for one thing, he'll be a rookie this coming season. You don't see many rookies on the USA basketball roster, not since Christian Laettner.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 6, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"lilhollywood10, That's my point, we're seeing a 7'+ guy that's young and still growing and is about the same age as Aldridge from this year's draft.Alderidge is a very sound big man with solid fundamentals and is reputed to be a very smart player.Why didn't Team USA give him a call instead of McGee?posted by flohrtv"

You mean Cole Aldrich from this year's draft? Well, for one thing, he'll be a rookie this coming season. You don't see many rookies on the USA basketball roster, not since Christian Laettner.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 6, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I think he meant LaMarcus Aldridge.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Actually I meant Cole Alderidge? But why didn't they ask LaMarcus either?

It's been asserted here that McGee's a dumb player who can't learn a system or fundamentals.

Yet the same posters say Team USA took him because he's familar with their system.

If he can't learn, how did he get familar with the system in a week?
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 6, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Actually I meant Cole Alderidge? But why didn't they ask LaMarcus either?

It's been asserted here that McGee's a dumb player who can't learn a system or fundamentals.

Yet the same posters say Team USA took him because he's familar with their system.

If he can't learn, how did he get familar with the system in a week?
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 6, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

He got familiar with it last year in camp. It's not his first time. And they're familiar with him.

Nobody said he CAN'T learn. He just DOESN'T. It's not hard to see.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"Baketball IQ" is NOT a real stat that is supposed to be debated.

The term came about because it's hard to say with a straight face that some guy who seems like a borderline retard in everyday life is a "smart" basketball player.

And saying that a guy has a Low Basketball IQ is simply a more PC way of calling someone a retard who shouldn't be on the team.

It's only a helpful term when you are saying a player is good or bad, despite being smart or dumb.

Posted by: cballer | August 6, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

But why didn't they ask LaMarcus either?

He turned them down, but they didn't ask Channing Frye, Jason Thompson, or Spencer Hawes.

Posted by: djnnnou | August 6, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Unless of course they brought him back just to be a practice player.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 5:55 PM

Doesn't matter "why" they brought him back. If he plays well enough in camp to convince them he'd be an asset at the Worlds, then he has a shot to make the team. If he doesn't, he won't. Which is no different than the situation he was in before.

Keep tryin' though.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 6, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Damn I didn't even notice that. LaMarcus DID turn them down. Even Kendrick Perkins was on the list...lol

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Not exactly. Lopez played way more in college over those 2yrs, and logged 2500mins his rookie nba season...JM has played 2100 minutes in his nba career so far.

That makes a massive difference in how a player develops. Obviously there are reasons their circumstances are what they are, but much has been made recently about how much difference being a high pick makes in your career. Teams force feed you minutes.

Why do you think I rail on all those ridiculous DNP's and 3min games so often? Complete waste!

Let's see where Mcgee is after another 2500mins of floortime

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2010 10:59 PM

Well, that's a screamingly obvious chicken-egg argument, isn't it? You're claiming that Lopez "devloped" into a more productive player because he got more PT. But isn't (at the very least) just as likely that Lopez got more PT (in both college and the NBA) because he was already a more developed, productive player?

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 6, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe McGee is just a late bloomer. Lot of big men are.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 5, 2010 11:26 PM

I think that's one of the biggest fallacies in NBA fandom. Pretty much every big man who develops into a significant impact player comes into the NBA showing the goods. The "late bloomers" are usually guys who come in looking like stiffs and develop into decently productive role players over time. Which, all in all, is not a problem, and if McGee follows that arc, I'd be quite happy with it. But the idea that big men routinely go from struggling newbies to perennial all-star status (which seems to be the ceiling that McGee's chorus is shooting for) is exceedingly rare at best and a fantasy at worst.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 6, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

SDMDTSU, I'd disagree, when you look at game tapes from last summer to this summer, the guy's game is progressing.

I'm somewhere in the middle on JaVale, I really thought the team should have looked for a better B/U plan at center then Yi or Hilton. As a starter relied upon to play starter minutes, it's going to be big jump for McGee. Possibly a bigger one then he's ready to make.

If he can't, there isn't much of a plan B at this point. Looks like he's going to see a lot more minutes this year then he's ever seen before. With consistant minutes a real picture of his game should emerge. It looks like he's going to get thrown out there to sink or swim.

I also don't think lack of minutes has really held him back his first two years, because running around out on the court with no clue doesn't speed development.
It can hinder it.

One reason that I'm happy about him getting time with USA basketball is defensive rebounding. Coach K has always had a rep of filling the floor with skinny shooters. Everybody thinks they can mull Duke on the boards, but they can't because Coach K really drills defensive rebounding into his teams.

Right now I see defensive rebounding as McGee's biggest weakness, any time he spends practicing with Coach K has got to help there.

Over and over it's implied that JaVale was asked to practice with USA Basketball just because he happened to be in Vegas. But then it's said that DOESN"T learn.

I've watched Coach K for 30 some years, the guy just doesn't waste his time on players who don't learn and progress. So nobody has yet to square that with the fact that JaVale has been invited back to the team.

If a guy DOESN"T learn, he can't know anything about their system because he wouldn't have learned anything in the two times he was there. So there is no advantage to bringing him in over a player who doesn't know the system, but has a rep as a quick study.

So again if he DOESN't learn why did he get invited?
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 6, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Last week McGee had NO CHANCE to be on the final roster of USA Basketball. This week he's practicing with the team and has a chance to go to the World Championships. It's that simple."

Of course, it's not at all that simple.

When he was first brought into camp the first time, McGee certainly did have a chance to make the final roster. To claim otherwise is nonsense. (Now, certainly, he has a better chance now to make the roster than he did after he was cut but to crow about that like it's a qualitative accomplishment is beyond silly.)

He was cut because, after evaluating him, they determined that he wasn't good enough/a good enough fit to make the roster. The ONLY reason he was brought back is because the last of the (many) players they really wanted pulled out and they wanted/needed to fill that slot, be it for practice purposes only or for a shot at the the final roster. And bringing in a guy with whom they were already familiar made more sense than bringing in someone cold off the street and trying to get him up to speed in a compressed time frame.

If, when all is said and done, he does make the final 12, it won't be an indelible sign of the high-esteem in which he's held by Colangelo, Coach K and Co. (although it's a certainty that some will make it out as such). It'll be because he was the last man standing in what was essentially a war of attrition after at least a half dozen guys that they wanted more (Perkins, Aldridge, RLopez, BLopez, Stoudemire, Lee) all begged off or pulled out for various reasons.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 6, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

If, when all is said and done, he does make the final 12, it won't be an indelible sign of the high-esteem in which he's held by Colangelo, Coach K and Co. (although it's a certainty that some will make it out as such). It'll be because he was the last man standing in what was essentially a war of attrition after at least a half dozen guys that they wanted more (Perkins, Aldridge, RLopez, BLopez, Stoudemire, Lee) all begged off or pulled out for various reasons.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 6, 2010 12:21 PM

Wars of attrition are a pertinent and real factor of NBA success. Wars of attrition may cause one team to win a championship over another. All that really matters is like you said is who is standing there when it's all said and done.

I feel so sad for all those that were ahead of McGee and for one reason or another but are not anymore.

But at the same time it is folly and foolish to detract from McGee because he is standing there now. Whatever, predicament McGee has found himself in to be on the Team now is in noway a negative for him.

It is really a negative for all the guys that yawl keep saying are better and more deserving than him.

None of those that are supposedly more deserving and better than McGee are answering the role call for whatever reason.

However, McGee is answering the bell and he has all the skill and knowhow to be considered amongst the final twelve.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 6, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

And SDMDTSU, you summarily denoucing my argument on the basis of basketball being a team sport and not individual is quite faulty.

For the question is, whether or not McGee is a dumb ball player.

So my pitting McGee against Lopez one on one to see whom would come out on top was dismissed by you.

Why? Cause you obviously feel that Mr. Lopez would in fact not fair well against Mr. McGee in a one on one matchup.

Yes, an idividual tryst for sure, but one that would surely indicate whom of the two is a smart player, or whether they both are, or whether McGee is a dumb player?

Something, that you are alleging.

For, in order for McGee to summarily spank Lopez'e butt in a one on one match, it would have to show that McGee has some pretty damn good BBall smarts.

There is no way that the type of player that you and others are describing and saying McGee is could beat Brook Lopez one on one. He would be to dumb.

But good fella, you know McGee isn't a dumb BBall player, so I don't know why you and others want to label him that way.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 6, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

" But the idea that big men routinely go from struggling newbies to perennial all-star status (which seems to be the ceiling that McGee's chorus is shooting for) is exceedingly rare at best and a fantasy at worst.Posted by: kalo_rama"

Right. Of course I wasn't saying he'd become a star. A late bloomer would be someone like Tyson Chandler, who was a 20-25 minute man his first five or six NBA seasons. Or perhaps Tyrus Thomas, although he's not your prototypical center. Both have improved quite a bit but are a long way from NBA stardom.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 6, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

And SDMDTSU, you summarily denoucing my argument on the basis of basketball being a team sport and not individual is quite faulty.

For the question is, whether or not McGee is a dumb ball player.

So my pitting McGee against Lopez one on one to see whom would come out on top was dismissed by you.

Why? Cause you obviously feel that Mr. Lopez would in fact not fair well against Mr. McGee in a one on one matchup.

Yes, an idividual tryst for sure, but one that would surely indicate whom of the two is a smart player, or whether they both are, or whether McGee is a dumb player?

Something, that you are alleging.

For, in order for McGee to summarily spank Lopez'e butt in a one on one match, it would have to show that McGee has some pretty damn good BBall smarts.

There is no way that the type of player that you and others are describing and saying McGee is could beat Brook Lopez one on one. He would be to dumb.

But good fella, you know McGee isn't a dumb BBall player, so I don't know why you and others want to label him that way.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 6, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

No. I don't think McGee would win in one-on-one. I ignored it because it's pointless and borderline retarded. I bet Gerald Green can beat someone in one on one...but guess what? It doesn't matter.

Winning in one on one has nothing to do with intelligence.

Apparently neither does posting on here. Dumb and repeating the same basic mistakes...not the same. YOU called him dumb.

You're the one that says he's so fast that he sets invisible picks, so athletic he can do what others can't and so he's not actually making mistakes, just doing the impossible and yadda yadda.

JaVale doesn't have ANY one-on-one offensive moves. He would fare better in a five on five getting fed lobs or easier touches that having to create for himself.

Lopez could just post him all day.

Game over.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Right. Of course I wasn't saying he'd become a star. A late bloomer would be someone like Tyson Chandler, who was a 20-25 minute man his first five or six NBA seasons. Or perhaps Tyrus Thomas, although he's not your prototypical center. Both have improved quite a bit but are a long way from NBA stardom.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 6, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree. If he could become Tyson Chandler, I would be happy. Right now he's not. This board is where the dreams off dominance, all-star games and constant 20/10 seasons are created.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, that's a screamingly obvious chicken-egg argument, isn't it? You're claiming that Lopez "devloped" into a more productive player because he got more PT. But isn't (at the very least) just as likely that Lopez got more PT (in both college and the NBA) because he was already a more developed, productive player?

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 6, 2010 11:54 AM

If you go back to the post, you'll see I said there are obvious reasons Lopez got the PT in the first place.

But the greater point, forget Lopez for a minute, is that Javale really hasnt played that much. And the argument he simply wasnt good enough last year is absurd (imo) given he's with Team USA right now. And he had plenty of decent-to-strong games last season. Some folks here just cant accept that just maybe, Flip screwed the rotations at times. Mcgee would be further along had he played more last year. Even if just 10mins in each of those DNP-CDs with Flip pulling him after too many boneheaded moves. That's how you learn, and in a toilet season there are plenty of games to do the teaching.

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Besides Larry...not to mention the fact JaVale AFTER them seeing him last summer, didn't even extend an invitation at all. How many people had to turn them down first?

Then after him being there AGAIN...they STILL took Brook Lopez with mono over him. Brook Lopez had to bow out himself.

They would rather take a player who is worse AND sick over JaVale?

Coach K is that stupid?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Lopez could just post him all day.

Game over.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 1:44 PM

Lopez is so unstoppable his team didnt beat the Wizards in 4 chances last season.

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Lopez could just post him all day.

Game over.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 1:44 PM

Lopez is so unstoppable his team didnt beat the Wizards in 4 chances last season.

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Clearly the NBA is not a one on one game is it? Are you that dense? Lopez's strength is his post game. JaVale's weakness is post defense.

What does Lopez/McGee have to do with team wins? Nobody outside of this board even considers this a serious conversation.

What do you think is going to happen in Larry's fairy tale game of one on one?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Lopez, Schmopez....AB dogs him everytime they are on the floor together, the numbers dont lie!

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I know it's important for you to lay 100% of all blame on players at all times, but come on, you can't seriously believe that there arent major differences in how franchises are operated. The bad coaches are still top coaches? Ed Tapscott is a "top coach worldwide"???

It's much simpler to tell yourself that Nick Young is the reason for so many losses, but in reality many organizations in the sports world have systemic problems that go beyond the work ethic of their players. Teams are bad for decades, just bad luck they acquired lame players? Who just happen to thrive after being traded? Come on

Posted by div3.

Sometimes it's hard to decide where to begin to tear your lame arguments apart. First, nobody said that some organizations are not better run than others. So what? That doesn't mean more successful organizations make better lemonade out of lemons than other organizations. Would Chris Kaman somehow be a better player than he is if he had played for the Lakers instead of the Clippers??? Hell no. He would just be more successful.

And, Ed Tapscott was an interim coach that had zero impact either way on the development of any player. Nice left field swing! Per usual.

Finally, in case you can't figure it out, there are multiple factors that contribute to the different levels of success in franchises. The biggest, generally speaking, being the acquisition of better players through the draft or otherwise. A little luck doesn't hurt either - i.e. getting Wall. Magically turning a NY into an all-star player is not among them. If that team existed, every player in the world would want to play for them and other teams wouldn't stand much of a chance. So, there is reality and Oz. Keep trying Dorothy.

Repeat after me - If you can't debate, obfuscate! If you can't debate, obfuscate!

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 6, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter "why" they brought him back. If he plays well enough in camp to convince them he'd be an asset at the Worlds, then he has a shot to make the team. If he doesn't, he won't. Which is no different than the situation he was in before.

Keep tryin' though.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Sitting in on their meetings again are we? Or just talking out of your blow hole again? Never mind, no need to answer, because the truth is you have no idea why they brought him back or under what terms, and anything you might say to the contrary is pure speculation.

Posted by: ts35 | August 6, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"That's the Brook Lopez who was the best center in the draft a couple of years back. "

Well, there were plenty of questions about Brook at the time (that's why he went 10th instead of top five.) Questions about whether he could play defense, and run the court well enough to stay with NBA big men. Most of the GMs around the league now recognize that he probably should have gone higher. They just missed on him.

They missed on McGee, too, although that wasn't as obvious. Most scouts hadn't seen that much of Javale, partly because he was out West, and partly because he spent his first season in college as a back-up.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 6, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"And, Ed Tapscott was an interim coach that had zero impact either way on the development of any player. Nice left field swing! Per usual."

He coached 71 games, that's more than half the nba games Javale has ever played. But yeah, no way he could have had any effect whatsoever. Right.

You may want to take a course logic or something before talking about tearing down other people's arguments.

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

What do you think is going to happen in Larry's fairy tale game of one on one?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 1:58 PM

I'm not even thinking about your fairy tales with Larry, dont really care who would win one-on-one and I dont think anybody here has any idea anyways.

Just enjoy pointing out that for all the drooling people do over Lopez, our crap ass Wizards are 7-1 against the Nets since he's been in the league. And Dray consistently has All-Star numbers in those games (avg 20pts/9reb/4assts on 52%FG) and we all know he's logged plenty at C.

So you guys can keep dreaming about Lopez but I'll roll with our crew for now!

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

And, Ed Tapscott was an interim coach that had zero impact either way on the development of any player. Nice left field swing! Per usual.
Posted by: rphilli721

Not really jumping in on this one, but to be fair, ETaps was the "interim" coach for 70 games, i.e. most of the season. And it is a little inexplicable how little he played McGee given Haywood's injury.

Throw on top of that that ETaps has been (and still is I think) the Wizards director of player development, safe to say his impact rises above .zero'.

Posted by: ts35 | August 6, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Sitting in on their meetings again are we? Or just talking out of your blow hole again? Never mind, no need to answer, because the truth is you have no idea why they brought him back or under what terms,

And you do? No, of course you don't. So shut your blowhole. Of course, the inherent hypocrisy of accusing someone else of engaging in a behavior that you yourself are openly engaging in isn't really a shock.

and anything you might say to the contrary is pure speculation

Almost anything anyone posts here other than observations of what happens in an actual game is pure speculation, so pointing that out is hardly a stunning revelation.

That being said . . . the fact is (and it is, in fact, a fact) is the the camp was openly and widely reported as being a tryout for players to make the team. The whole point of a tryout is to bring in players to try out for the team. Players invited to a tryout have a shot to make the team (however slim that chance may be for some). As one of the players invited to the tryout it is inherently reasonable (in the absence of any specific evidence to the contrary, which we both know damn well you do not possess) to assume that McGee, by definition, has and always has had a shot to make the team (however slim that shot may be).

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 6, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"If you go back to the post, you'll see I said there are obvious reasons Lopez got the PT in the first place.

But the greater point, forget Lopez for a minute, is that Javale really hasnt played that much. And the argument he simply wasnt good enough last year is absurd (imo) given he's with Team USA right now. And he had plenty of decent-to-strong games last season. Some folks here just cant accept that just maybe, Flip screwed the rotations at times. Mcgee would be further along had he played more last year. Even if just 10mins in each of those DNP-CDs with Flip pulling him after too many boneheaded moves. That's how you learn, and in a toilet season there are plenty of games to do the teaching."

Do you even realize how dumb you sound at times? Teaching is not supposed to be the primary goal of any regular season game in any sport - proper execution and winning are. You teach in practice. Like I said, we are not talking about middle school kids here. Of course, that sounds like the perfect recipe to be a permanently crappy franchise. And, do you even realize that JM would have even less minutes played under his belt if he played for virtually any other NBA franchise??? The Lakers are a GREAT franchise right? World Champs. They develop their players so well that a guy like JM would see about a games worth of mins for the entire season playoffs included.

And, you still are stuck on this incredible idea that JM is on the Team USA roster, which is quite comical seeing how that came about through attrition and not some explosion in JM's game. "Let's see...who can play center that is not sick, hurt, too old, uninsurable, or flat out refused our invitation ...page 2....near the bottom...ah, let's give JM a call...he has some potential at least."

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 6, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm not even thinking about your fairy tales with Larry, dont really care who would win one-on-one and I dont think anybody here has any idea anyways.

Just enjoy pointing out that for all the drooling people do over Lopez, our crap ass Wizards are 7-1 against the Nets since he's been in the league. And Dray consistently has All-Star numbers in those games (avg 20pts/9reb/4assts on 52%FG) and we all know he's logged plenty at C.

So you guys can keep dreaming about Lopez but I'll roll with our crew for now!
Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

So what? The Nets were a 12-win team. That's what you're measuring the Wizards against? Way to aim high.

You say Blatche played great and played C...but you used that argument against Yi too...so Blatche is a PF when it's convenient...and a C when it's convenient right?

Point is. Lopez s a better C than McGee. Get over it. It is what it is. We all want JaVale to develop.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"Right. Of course I wasn't saying he'd become a star.
Posted by: Samson151 | August 6, 2010 1:38 PM

I didn't think you, specifically, were. I was really addressing the wider perception engendered by the whole "big men take longer to develop" sentiment, as it relates to the opinion expressed by McGee's Greek chorus regarding his supposedly impending stardom/dominance.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 6, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

And, for the record, I never actually claimed to have any specific idea why they brought him back or under what terms (another straw man on the fire). I simply pointed out that the fact that he was brought into camp in the first place is prima facie evidence that he did, in fact, have a shot at making the team (despite your unsubstantiated assertions to the contrary).

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 6, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse


Irregardless of whether he makes the team, this is a huge deal for this kid and the Wiards. This environment and the confidence of playing in a first class basketball situation is a huge confidence boost.

Any objective observer will note thew progress (corresponfding wtiht playing time last year by McGee, Blatche and Young to some extent. Recall games in the second half of the year against New York, two games against Boston and Golden State that McGee clearly reflected growth in every facet of the game.

A more valuable analysis of McGEE can be formulated after this season where from all indications he will get significant (non-schizophrenic) minutes. To comparae him to Lopez who played major minutes last year with impunity is not valid.

More puzzling than the daitribe by Nalo-rama, ts 35 and the STSMD blogger is why an organization that won 19 and 26 games respectively (over th last two years) would not have played their young players significant minutes.

It seems that contrary to the rest of the basketball experts only the geniuses on this blog have such a low opinion of McGee.
This kid has all of the intangibles and pedigree to be a real good player, thats why he is so highly regarded by the basketball experts.

Posted by: NewManagement | August 6, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

So what? The Nets were a 12-win team. That's what you're measuring the Wizards against? Way to aim high.

You say Blatche played great and played C...but you used that argument against Yi too...so Blatche is a PF when it's convenient...and a C when it's convenient right?

Point is. Lopez s a better C than McGee. Get over it. It is what it is. We all want JaVale to develop.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 2:23 PM

You'll never find a post where I said Mcgee was as good as BROOK Lopez. So get over the idea that that's any point I've been making, it isn't.

AB in fact has played a ton of C and PF, and yes, he's schooled Yi and BLopez in the process. Anyone whose watched the games has seen that.

The Nets are a 12 win team? Why that's my point exactly re: Lopez.

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Do you even realize how dumb you sound at times?"

What I realize is I think you are quite often an idiot, and surely you see me in the same light. So it's all good I suppose!

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think you, specifically, were. I was really addressing the wider perception engendered by the whole "big men take longer to develop" sentiment, as it relates to the opinion expressed by McGee's Greek chorus regarding his supposedly impending stardom/dominance.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 6, 2010 2:28 PM

Well, for the record, Hollinger is the one who saw a potential "perennial All-Star" after his 1st season. Perhaps you think that after year2 we've past the stage where it can be expected a player develop significantly, myself will withhold judgment til he doubles his career minutes.

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

You'll never find a post where I said Mcgee was as good as BROOK Lopez. So get over the idea that that's any point I've been making, it isn't.

AB in fact has played a ton of C and PF, and yes, he's schooled Yi and BLopez in the process. Anyone whose watched the games has seen that.

The Nets are a 12 win team? Why that's my point exactly re: Lopez.

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Okay and they put up numbers too. Didn't yi have like 20 rebounds one game? So what? Who cares.

Lopez is the reason they won 12 games. Sure. They do play 5 on 5 you know. They do have 11 other players.

Just like the Wizards went 1-April while Dray put up numbers. Is that his fault too?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

And you do? No, of course you don't.
Posted by: kalo_rama

No, I don't, which is why I'm not saying things like McGee has exactly the same chance as he did before. I'm at least allowing for the possibility that they brought him back without a chance to compete for a spot. Like maybe because they've already decided on their 12, but they want to keep 15 around for training and to keep players fresh. Again, not saying that's what happened, but allowing for the possibility. That's the difference. One which you consistently fail to recognize.

Players invited to a tryout have a shot to make the team (however slim that chance may be for some).

Except that we're past the tryout camp and into the training camp/basketball festival. Yes, the remaining players are still competing for slots, but that doesn't mean that competition is necessarily open again to JaVale. The actual article from USA Basketball says that JaVale was invited back to train, and it says nothing about being asked back to try out or compete. When they list the players competing for a spot, there's only 14 names, and JaVale's ain't one of them. Quite possible that it's a typo or an oversight. Also possible he's not competing for a spot.

3rd Paragraph
http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/national/brook_lopez_out_javale_mcgee__2010_08_04.html

As one of the players invited to the tryout it is inherently reasonable (in the absence of any specific evidence to the contrary, which we both know damn well you do not possess) to assume that McGee, by definition, has and always has had a shot to make the team (however slim that shot may be).

It is reasonable to assume he has a shot. At the same time you're assuming JaVale has a shot. Not quite the same as it being a fact, right parse master? Is that an accurate statement? If you're assuming something that doesn't make it necessarily true. Or did they change the rules on that?

Since JaVale was cut once, it is just as reasonable to assume that they have already decided he's not what they're looking for. It's possible they had even already decided to cut Lopez but were keeping him around for training purposes, so merely brought in McGee for the same reason.

Point being (as it always was) that we don't factually know one way or the other under what terms JaVale was brought back. So saying he has the same chance now as he did during the open competition in earlier in the summer isn't a provable, factual statement. No amount of wiggling or bolding or blockquoting changes that. Find me a quote from Coach K or Colangelo saying "We've invited JaVale back to compete for a spot", that would do it.

Posted by: ts35 | August 6, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Intersting, to support their low opinion of McGee some on here used Hollinger's rating from LAST summer. That was before a year under Flip where he started to gain consistant minutes in the second half of the season and this summer's surge in play.
I will agree with the notion of McGee's starting point in the NBA. He had some of the poorest fundamentals of any big man I had seen come into the league.

The kid got drafted on pure athletic ability and projected upside.
What he has done is shown some steady improvement this summer. It looks like he's been in the weightroom and he's gained some body strength. He continues to grow and mature into his body, It's now starting to look like he's going to be more like 7'1" to 7'2" when he's done growing.
He put together some games in summer league this year that he had no ability to even dream about last year. Sure, it's Summer League, and going into his third NBA season he SHOULD be able to dominate there. But guess what, he did what was expected of him, and maybe more.
In some ways McGee is following a similar developmental path to Blatche. After last summer's stellar summer league, Dray closed out the season on a very solid run of games.
Now the goal is for Blatche to be able to average 20+ points and 8 rebounds for a season. With the additional scorers onboard, I'd actually be more content to see something like 16/10, because rebounding is going to be an issue for this team.
It greatly pains some posters on this board to see Blatche and McGee develop because they have invested so much of their time on this board running down both players.
Last week McGee had NO CHANCE to be on the final roster of USA Basketball. This week he's practicing with the team and has a chance to go to the World Championships. It's that simple.
From a basketball developmental point of view, McGee appears to have made the most of this summer. He's been in the gym and on the floor honing his body and game, he's improved to the point that we're not comparing him to Roy Hibbert anymore, he's being compared to Brook Lopez.
That's the Brook Lopez who was the best center in the draft a couple of years back. What McGee has done without a lot of fanfare is elevated his game to the point of being discussed amoung the league's best young centers. Even his detracters are using Brook Lopez as a point of comparison.
That's just a wee bit of improvement when it's compared to last summer...
Nice job Javele, you deserve what you have earned through your hard work...

GM
Posted by: flohrtv | August 6, 2010 8:33 AM "

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!

It couldn't have been said better.
He's a promising young athlete who's better and all we have to do as Wizards fans is to sit back and be patient.

The kid will be an all-star one day and he has hall of fame type of potential, so relax and let the kid succeed or fail, but just let him be.

Posted by: zxhoya | August 6, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The kid will be an all-star one day and he has hall of fame type of potential, so relax and let the kid succeed or fail, but just let him be.

Posted by: zxhoya | August 6, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

That's what I'm talking about. We throwing the word Hall of Fame around (potential or not) on a guy who can't perform a jump hook yet.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Just like the Wizards went 1-April while Dray put up numbers. Is that his fault too?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 3:28 PM

He definitely could have played better in that stretch, lots of TOs, low FG%, and lack of energy. Not his fault per se, but he certainly shouldnt be disassociated with the situation.

All I'm saying is it surprises me how much fawning goes on over the C on a 12 win team that is the only one in the league the Wizards are clearly superior to.

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"When they list the players competing for a spot, there's only 14 names, and JaVale's ain't one of them. Quite possible that it's a typo or an oversight. Also possible he's not competing for a spot."

Yeah, I saw that too. But they also call him a Finalist here:

"JaVale McGee will join the other USA World Championship Team finalists for the New York training camp August 10-16."

I would hope that if he has no shot, they let him know that. however coaches of Ks stature don't really owe any player (much less one of JM's caliber) any info. But they talk so much about building a family that perhaps much of this is known all along. I'm pretty sure Chandler was making the team no matter what, K consistently praised how he had come back even after being cut previously and what that showed about his character. Definitely a pecking order being established and JM is low man on the totem...but at least he's on the thing

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewManagement | August 6, 2010 3:17 PM

A) While "irregardless" has crept into common usage, It doesn't actually mean anything different than "regardless" so save yourself two characters. Sorry, pet peeve.

B) There's no diatribe on my part against McGee. My opinion of him is likely approximately the same as most everyone else's. Wonderfully talented player who's understanding of the game doesn't quite yet match his physical gifts. People may differ in the levels to which they think his mind right now is behind his body, but on the basics I think most of us agree.

As for his development, I do put more of it on the player, but the team obviously plays a big role too. I think it didn't make much sense to have him sit so much his rookie year under ETaps when the season was obviously toast. At the same time, I don't flip out as much about the DNPs this past year as some do. Yes, I think he probably should have gotten some minutes over that stretch. But I also try not to presume what's happening behind the scenes and in practice that might have led Flip to sit him.

Playing time is really the one motivator coaches have, so if Flip felt like JaVale wasn't trying hard enoughin game or in practice, etc, sitting him is a good way to get his attention. On the other hand, Flip was very slow to realize his veteran team stunk and change up his rotation. So the truth of JaVale's 'schizophrenic' minutes is probably somewhere in the middle.

In terms of USA Basketball, my thoughts on JaVale were pretty much confirmed by Jerry Colangelo and Coach K. They obviously see the talent. They obviously want him to be part of the future of USA Basketball in some capacity. But they also see that he's probably a bit too raw right now. Nothing at all wrong with that, and regardless, it's great to have a player (probably two with Wall, maybe 3 with AB) who USA Basketball is interested in.

Speaking of AB, I wonder why he wasn't invited? Anyone know? Was it the foot, are they worried about his prior bad behavior, or were they already stacked at the PF?


Posted by: ts35 | August 6, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

AB has a terrible rep and only played lights-out for 30 games or whatever, he wasnt going to be on the list.

Ya gotta think Wall will get an invite if he fulfills expectations this year.

And yeah, that would be pretty cool if JM, Wall, and maybe even AB are around the team in coming years

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

AB has a terrible rep and only played lights-out for 30 games or whatever, he wasnt going to be on the list.

Ya gotta think Wall will get an invite if he fulfills expectations this year.

And yeah, that would be pretty cool if JM, Wall, and maybe even AB are around the team in coming years

Posted by: divi3

Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured with AB, specifically about his rep, but he is a legit 6'10"-11" and has played both PF and C. He can score on the low-box and can hit the jumper, which are both good things for this team. Granted his D isn't the best, but neither is David Lee's.

Just curious as to how far down the USA Basketball list AB might be.

Posted by: ts35 | August 6, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Definitely a pecking order being established and JM is low man on the totem...but at least he's on the thing

Posted by: divi3

Yep, yep. And as Colangelo has said, it's about building equity with the national team. He's definitely doing that.

Posted by: ts35 | August 6, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

All I'm saying is it surprises me how much fawning goes on over the C on a 12 win team that is the only one in the league the Wizards are clearly superior to.

Posted by: divi3

Kevin Durant's first season, the team won 20 and 23. Does that mean he wasn't worth fawning over? Not at all saying Lopez is a Durant-caliber player, just pointing out the problem with the 12-win reasoning.

Posted by: ts35 | August 6, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of international play, arent they switching to nba rules this year? That will change the dynamics significantly

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

All I'm saying is it surprises me how much fawning goes on over the C on a 12 win team that is the only one in the league the Wizards are clearly superior to.

Posted by: divi3

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Kevin Durant's first two seasons, the team won 20 and 23. Does that mean he wasn't worth fawning over? Not at all saying Lopez is a Durant-caliber player, just pointing out the problem with the 12-win reasoning.

Posted by: ts35 | August 6, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

true, but at that time the 8th seed in West was winning 50 games whereas you can creep in sub .500 in the East. To win 12 games in the eastern conf you gotta be abominably bad, almost as if that was your plan....

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Just curious as to how far down the USA Basketball list AB might be.

Posted by: ts35

I don't think he's on any list right now, and if he is considered for the future it won't be until after London.

Here is the original list of "twenty-three of the top young NBA talents" put together for that mini-camp in 2009. McGee wasn't invited to that camp until Blake Griffin went down. It's incredible that he's made it this far this year.

Posted by: djnnnou | August 6, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

July 22, 2009. McGee added to mini-camp. I guess I was wrong about Griffin, but the rest is still true

Posted by: djnnnou | August 6, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't think he's on any list right now, and if he is considered for the future it won't be until after London.

Here is the original list of "twenty-three of the top young NBA talents" put together for that mini-camp in 2009. McGee wasn't invited to that camp until Blake Griffin went down. It's incredible that he's made it this far this year.

Posted by: djnnnou

Yeah, but in a little bit of fairness to AB, that was prior to his "breakout" half season. I'd agree that he likely won't get team consideration until after 2012, but if he continues to play well (or put up numbers however you want to classify it) you'd think they'd at least consider bringing him in to run with the prep team or something. I mean, he's not at the top of the list, but you'd have to put him on par with if not ahead of guys like Anthony Randolph or Big Baby.

Posted by: ts35 | August 6, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I think AB will have to put in at least a full season without any negative press to be even considered. That fight with Flip probably killed his chances for good though.

Posted by: djnnnou | August 6, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"The kid will be an all-star one day and he has hall of fame type of potential, so relax and let the kid succeed or fail, but just let him be."
Posted by: zxhoya | August 6, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"That's what I'm talking about. We throwing the word Hall of Fame around (potential or not) on a guy who can't perform a jump hook yet."
Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 6, 2010 3:38 PM "

Well at least you read my statement correctly, "potentially" could be a hall-of-famer. Yes I said it!

He has the physical gifts and the height plus has shown signs of being special. He's a hard worker and seems to have the drive to get better, he does things that no other center in the league can do and he's developing the things every good center has to be able to do.

It takes time and I'm willing to wait. All Star within 2 years.


Posted by: zxhoya | August 6, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

He has the physical gifts and the height plus has shown signs of being special. He's a hard worker and seems to have the drive to get better, he does things that no other center in the league can do and he's developing the things every good center has to be able to do.

It takes time and I'm willing to wait. All Star within 2 years.

Posted by: zxhoya

I'm not saying he can't be that good, but honestly, I haven't seen the "hard worker" and "drive to get better" part. I'm not saying he's a slacker, I just haven't heard about him putting in extra time, etc. And I think the "he does things that no other center can do" is a bit of a stretch.

I will be perfectly happy however, to be proven wrong.

Posted by: ts35 | August 6, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

WOW...Waaaay tooo much emphasis on what McGee has not done over his last two years with the Wizards...I remember a guy named Ben Wallace who once upon a time played with the Wizards. I saw some potential, but I never knew he would ever be that dominant in the chamionship years with the Pistons...I'm just watching McGee in curiosity to see just how much this man will develop...

Posted by: Newington32 | August 6, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"typo" champinship

Posted by: Newington32 | August 6, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

championship (darn keyborad) lol

Posted by: Newington32 | August 6, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

darn keyboard lol (championship)

Posted by: Newington32 | August 6, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"You may want to take a course logic or something before talking about tearing down other people's arguments."

lol...hilarious statement coming from you. Ewwww....a whole 70 games....JM can always point a finger at Eddie Tapscott when and if his career doesn't go as desired. Hey, try this, are there not some players who are hurt developmentally speaking as much or perhaps more from being given too much too soon and then their confidence is blown???

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 6, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Because Lopez is fairly average athletically I can imagine him reaching his ceiling in the next 2/3 seasons. In fact, he may not improve (statistically) now that Outlaw and Favors are aboard in NJ.

McGee, however, has pretty unlimited potential and may end up being the 2nd best center in the Association in 2/3 years. Yes this is a best case scenario but name a center that's been drafted since 2008 that you'd rather have than McGee.

Oden?
Hawes?
Hibbert?
Thabeet?
Koufos?
Cousins?

I think JaVale will be better than all those guys - especially running with JWall.

Posted by: elfreako | August 6, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Crazy isn't it?

If you gave all 30 NBA GMs the chance to re-draft Oden or McGee how do you think it wuold shake down?

Posted by: elfreako | August 6, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"You may want to take a course logic or something before talking about tearing down other people's arguments."

lol...hilarious statement coming from you. Ewwww....a whole 70 games....JM can always point a finger at Eddie Tapscott when and if his career doesn't go as desired. Hey, try this, are there not some players who are hurt developmentally speaking as much or perhaps more from being given too much too soon and then their confidence is blown???

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 6, 2010 7:

Huh?? What's the point made here?

Posted by: Spartan20 | August 6, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"lol...hilarious statement coming from you. Ewwww....a whole 70 games....JM can always point a finger at Eddie Tapscott when and if his career doesn't go as desired."

seriously rphili, you may want that logic101 course. Nobody said anything about his career being ruined by 70games under ETapps. We're talking about where he is NOW as a player, and how ETapps coached him in more than 50% of the nba games he's ever played. To most people it couldnt be more obvious that in your 2nd year, the guy who coached your rookie year had a hand in where you stand. Think dude, think! I know you can do it.

Posted by: divi3 | August 6, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"Oden?
Hawes?
Hibbert?
Thabeet?
Koufos?
Cousins?
I think JaVale will be better than all those guys - especially running with JWall.Posted by: elfreako"

That would certainly take some luck, wouldn't it? Oden's plagued with injuries, so as far as I can see, Cousins is the talent in that group. A completely different sort of big man from Javale. I'm thinking he could benefit quite a bit from playing in Sacramento with Evans.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 6, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

McGee, however, has pretty unlimited potential and may end up being the 2nd best center in the Association in 2/3 years. Yes this is a best case scenario but name a center that's been drafted since 2008 that you'd rather have than McGee.

Oden?
Hawes?
Hibbert?
Thabeet?
Koufos?
Cousins?

I think JaVale will be better than all those guys - especially running with JWall.

Posted by: elfreako

Even *if* BLopez has peaked (just because someone is average athletically doesn't mean that can't continue to improve), he's still the leader in the clubhouse at 17pts 8rbs. Cousins obviously also has tantalizing potential, depending on where his head is at. Oden is probably the most interesting case, because he definitely has the talent if he can ever get and stay healthy. One guy you left off the list is DeAndre Jordan. He's certainly a dark horse candidate, especially given that he's playing behind talented players. But he does have JaVale-like size and athleticism.

Btw, Oden was drafted in 2007, a year ahead of JaVale. If you include the 07 draft, I would definitely put Horford, Noah, and MGasol in the mix. Depending on how he does, you may have to put Tiago Splitter on the list as well.

Even though he was drafted a couple of years ahead, I would also put Andrew Bynum in the mix, because he's only 3 months older than McGee.

Things to like about all of them, we'll have to see how they all evolve.

Posted by: ts35 | August 7, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

"seriously rphili, you may want that logic101 course. Nobody said anything about his career being ruined by 70games under ETapps. We're talking about where he is NOW as a player, and how ETapps coached him in more than 50% of the nba games he's ever played. To most people it couldnt be more obvious that in your 2nd year, the guy who coached your rookie year had a hand in where you stand. Think dude, think! I know you can do it."

What is illogical you ignorant fool is that you can't quantify the effect ETapps had on any player's development 2nd year/1st year/10th year...I don't care. The whole point of that comment was sarcasm to point out the absurdity in your assertion that having ETapps as his coach for 70 games somehow stunted his growth as a basketball player. Get real dude...the chances of that being true even if it could be quantified are miniscule to none. We aren't talking about young NFL QB's and different schemes and such. We are talking about BASKETBALL FUNDAMENTALS. Boxing out, playing within yourself, not going for every pump fake, learning where to be on the floor, etc etc...I'm sure ETapp can handle those basics just fine though JM can't quite yet.

By the way, I'll put my education up against yours any day dude. I've actually taken a couple of philosophy courses too!

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 7, 2010 3:14 AM | Report abuse

""And, Ed Tapscott was an interim coach that had zero impact either way on the development of any player. Nice left field swing! Per usual."

He coached 71 games, that's more than half the nba games Javale has ever played. But yeah, no way he could have had any effect whatsoever. Right."

-Div

I figured I'd repost this before you argue that you never stated that ETapp could have negatively impacted JM this early in his career. Again, all hogwash as pointed out in my last post.

And, for the record, I just don't have patience for ignorance. If you made points that were smart and to the point of the discussion, I would have all due respect even if I didn't agree. But you, my friend, are often in left field dreaming your dream about as often as Larry. Ever notice you get the people that make the most sense in here like myself or Samson or SDMDTSU or Kal arguing against/with you ALL the time. That's not to say you don't have an interesting post on occasion bc you do. You just can't debate worth a damn when challenged, but it's funny seeing you try

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 7, 2010 3:39 AM | Report abuse

Oh, maybe I misunderstood since you are so high on the JM bandwagon right now, were you in fact insinuating that ETapp may have helped JM become the soon to be all-star/Team USA savior??? I mean you can't have it both ways can you? Another circular argument on your part?? Nah!

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 7, 2010 3:48 AM | Report abuse

DeAndre Jordan is one of those players that fell unexpectedly in the '08 draft, all the way to the 35th pick, for reasons that were never quite clear. He's stockier than McGee and an inch and a quarter shorter even then (and we all know Javale is supposedly still growing). He surprised everybody with his performance in relief in LA last season. It was only 12 starts late in the year but he blocked shots and dunked the ball with fervor (his two strengths) and rebounded much better than expected.

The downside on Jordan: he averaged better than two fouls and 1.1 TOs in 16 minutes, and hit just 37.5% of his FTs. That don't cut it in international play.

The guy who I think makes the biggest move next season is Hibbert. He's become a very effective player. And might have been so on the national team, particularly in the half-court.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Again I'd say that I land some where squarely in the middle on McGee.

Before we start throwing around Allstar and his name in the same post we better wait to see how he holds up to being a starter.

But what he has done over the last year is elevate his game. Summer League is Summer League, but JaVale took his game up a notch this summer. The level of competition is not what he's going to see as a starter in the NBA, but he was able to execute much of what he's been working on in practice.

Every minute of time he spends with Team USA is clearly a plus for him, the work ethic and preperation level he'll be exposed to from the other players is something that can't be duplicated.

As a Maryland fan I only give respect to Coach K VERY grudingly, but the guy is one of the best coaches in the country at any level. Period. His ability to get Allstars to set aside their egos for a common goal and a team concept has been the key to restoring USA Basketball to it's rightful place on the world scene.

Imagine the impact that he can have for a guy like JaVale who has seemed to struggle with the concepts of a center's role in playing winning team basketball.

I think John Thompson has said it best, point guards quarterback the offense because they can see all ten players on the floor, centers need to quarterback the defense for the same reason.

When JaVale understands that concept he'll make the next step toward being an effective starter in the NBA. He needs to quarterback the D, when he grasps that concept his game will take off. It's not about blocks, but stops. And it's not a stop until the defensive rebound is secured.

One thing is clear, Coach K knows talent and has an unmatched ability to develop it. McGee doesn't have the college and pro success of others, but USA Basketball has seen something in that talent that they want to develop.

The time that McGee is getting with USA Basketball is more valuable then anything else he could be doing right now. Even if he doesn't make the final roster the practice time is worth it. If he does It'll be an even more worthwhile experience.

The kid's done about everything this summer that any Wizard's fan could fairly expect him to do. Everything he's doing is leading him to be a better player and better preparing him to be a starter in the NBA.

Yet some posters spend an inordinate amount of time running him down using words like Dumb, Can't, and Doesn't, while it is clear to all just how he's spent his summer working on his game and his body.

JaVale, hope your hard work leads you to playing a role in the Gold Medal game in Turkey...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 7, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's cut to the chase. JaVale McGee has no business being on Team USA. He's on the squad by default. It's a nice local story, but this kid hasn't done anything in the NBA yet.

Posted by: randysbailin | August 5, 2010 6:35 PM

And you know what? The Dream Team had no business being in the 1992 Olympics. Consider this, though. Every team that played the US in the Olympics got monumentally better, and the international game has, in the 18 years since, virtually caught up with the NBA.

With that analogy, McGee is the international "inferior" pre-1992 competition, while his USA teammates are the Dream Team.

Let's see how McGee develops. It will be interesting.

Posted by: bpybay | August 7, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"With that analogy, McGee is the international "inferior" pre-1992 competition, while his USA teammates are the Dream Team...posted by: bpybay"

I'm glad you explained that. I was having a little trouble following it. Still am, but at least now I know why.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, Chicago and Milwaukee are shaping up as interesting teams next season. The Bulls have replaced Hinrich, who plays defense and shoots from outside, with Ronnie Brewer, who plays defense, and Kyle Korver, who shoots from outside. Ronnie suffered a wrist injury as a child, which is how his agent explains the single ugliest jump shot in the NBA. So yesterday Chicago added Keith Bogans, who was supposedly going to the Knicks except Roger Mason beat him to it. Now the Bulls are pursuing Rudy Fernandez who hates playing in Portland.

Apparently last season the Bucks got to shoot hardly any FTs, so they signed Corey Maggette, who shoots nothing but FTs. And Drew Gooden, who like Maggette is ojne of those NBA regulars who consistently makes his team's defense worse just by being on the court. Can you imagine Scott Skiles coaching those guys? They should reserve a bed at Hazelden for the guy.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Except that we're past the tryout camp and into the training camp/basketball festival. Yes, the remaining players are still competing for slots, but that doesn't mean that competition is necessarily open again to JaVale. The actual article from USA Basketball says that JaVale was invited back to train, and it says nothing about being asked back to try out or compete. When they list the players competing for a spot, there's only 14 names, and JaVale's ain't one of them. Quite possible that it's a typo or an oversight. Also possible he's not competing for a spot.

It's also possible that you've never taken a basic writing course. The reason his name isn't mentioned in the 3rd paragraph is because the entire first two paragraphs (as well as the boldface headline) exist to announce his addition to the team. There's no need the write his name in bold face and tell what team he plays for in paragraph 3, because that's already been covered. You're making distinctions where none exist.

"Since JaVale was cut once, it is just as reasonable to assume that they have already decided he's not what they're looking for. "

It's reasonable to assume that he wasn't what they were looking for when Brook Lopez was available. But Lopez is no longer available, which changes the equation with regards to their needs at C.

"It's possible they had even already decided to cut Lopez but were keeping him around for training purposes, so merely brought in McGee for the same reason."

It's also possible that a zombie army will rise from the ground and decimate the Earth at 12:00 PM tomorrow. But the amount of factual information I have to support that is pretty much exactly the same as the amount of factual information you have to support your theory.

"Point being (as it always was) that we don't factually know one way or the other under what terms JaVale was brought back."

No, the point is that it doesn't matter what the "terms" were, a point I've made more than once.

"So saying he has the same chance now as he did during the open competition in earlier in the summer isn't a provable, factual statement. No amount of wiggling or bolding or blockquoting changes that. Find me a quote from Coach K or Colangelo saying "We've invited JaVale back to compete for a spot", that would do it."

An utterly irrelevant bit of nonsense, since I never said McGee had "the same chance" at anything. (In fact, a quick text search of the page will reveal that the first (and, until this response, only ) occurrence of the term "same chance" is in your post that I pulled that quote from, well into this discussion. Ain't modern tech great?) The fact that he's been invited back means he has a chance to make the final team. I never said, nor implied, what that specific chance might be. In fact, I quite explicitly pointed out that it was unknowable.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 7, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

It's become increasingly obvious that (A) you actually have no idea what it is you're even arguing about or (B) you do but are intentional obfuscating in a muddled ham-fisted attempt at arguing for argument's sake. Not sure which is worse.

Let's cut to the chase.

You said:

Which is not to say he'll be one of the final 12, but it differentiates from yesterday where he was invited to practice but hadn't been added to the roster.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 2:38 PM

Well, it does to the extent that if he wasn't officially added to the roster when he was brought back, it would indicate he wouldn't even have the chance to compete to be one of the 12, but whatever.

Posted by: ts35 | August 5, 2010 2:56 PM

My only point is, has been, and remains, that is is flat out untrue. You have no evidence (even anecdotal) to back it up. Moreover, the entire "argument" is predicated on the existence of some magical distinction between being invited to camp and being "on the roster." But there isn't one. All 15 players currently in camp are "on the roster," and since we know that only 12 will actually go to the worlds, that pretty strong indicates that being "on the roster" confers no special status to anyone. When he was invited to the first tryout camp, McGee had an opportunity to be chosen for the final 12. After being invited back following Lopez's pull out, he still has a chance to make the final team. How much of a chance? No one knows. In other words (the same words you clearly ignored or failed to comprehend the previous times I used them), his status now is no different than it's ever been (not counting the period when he'd been cut, of course).

It's really quite simple. If you actually believe the nonsense you're spouting, simply answer "yes" to this question: If, during the course of this second camp and the exhibition games, McGee demonstrably outplays every other big man on the roster, do you actually believe that Krzyzewski would summarily cut him from the team without consideration, based on some predetermination that McGee wouldn't make the team? Because anything other than a "yes" answer renders everything you said so much garbage.

A "no" answer, however, simply underscores the only point I've been making all along: By being invited to camp, McGee has an opportunity to make the team by playing well enough to impress the Team USA brass and convince them he'd be an asset. The same opportunity he had during the first camp. The same opportunity every other player in camp has.

That's it. That's all. Period. I have no idea what all your other nonsense is supposed to be about. But luckily, I don't much care, so it all works out I guess.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 7, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

"With that analogy, McGee is the international "inferior" pre-1992 competition, while his USA teammates are the Dream Team...posted by: bpybay"

I'm glad you explained that. I was having a little trouble following it. Still am, but at least now I know why.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Knew I was going to get a little grief for this after I posted it. Let me clarify:

The analogy is this. JaVale represents international basketball before the 1992 Dream Team. His USA teammates are analogous to the Dream Team. I believe the USA team will have the same effect on JaVale as the Dream Team had on international basketball.

As I posted on the Howard blog, I believe Team USA is focusing forward with the idea of shaping and molding him for future FIBA tournaments, not simply for the upcoming one.

Better?

Posted by: bpybay | August 8, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

First, apologies, you did not say he had the same chance, you said he had the exact same status - as in still being able to compete for a spot. It makes no difference for the purposes of the argument, but apologies for misquoting.

If, during the course of this second camp and the exhibition games, McGee demonstrably outplays every other big man on the roster, do you actually believe that Krzyzewski would summarily cut him from the team without consideration, based on some predetermination that McGee wouldn't make the team?

Putting aside for the moment the likelihood of that scenario, yes I think it's possible Coach K would do just that if he's already decided who he wants to take to Turkey.

And actually the whole argument is predicated on whether JaVale has a chance to compete to be on the final team. I'm saying it's possible he doesn't. Even you have admitted that you're only assuming he does. And that's where the argument ends.

Posted by: ts35 | August 8, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a big fan of national teams in terms of player growth. Sure, it's a great experience. It'd be different if we weren't going to demand the player then go out and play 82 games (plus) in the NBA season. That's a lot of stress on the body, and it's common to pick up minor injuries along the way.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 8, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a big fan of national teams in terms of player growth. Sure, it's a great experience. It'd be different if we weren't going to demand the player then go out and play 82 games (plus) in the NBA season. That's a lot of stress on the body, and it's common to pick up minor injuries along the way.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 8, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

My main point in all this is that JaVale, although admittedly very raw, has potential that is simply off the charts. The exposure he will be getting -- both to his USA teammates AND to a coach who is undeniably one of the greatest teachers of the game today -- will have an enormous impact on his development. I'm not sure I've ever seen a player his size with his natural ability.

Again, only time will tell, but count me in as one of those excited at the prospects.

Posted by: bpybay | August 8, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

2011 Eastern Conference playoff teams:

1 Miami
2 Boston
3 Orlando
4 Chicago
5 Milwaukee
6 Atlanta
7 Wasington
8 New York

I think Charlotte didn't improve at all and DJ Augustin is a below average NBA PG.

Cleveland and Toronto are lottery teams for obvious reasons.

Hopefully the Wizards could push the C's to a game 6 or 7 in an epically entertaining first round series.

Posted by: elfreako | August 8, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Cleveland will still be in the playoffs. They still have more talent than New York. Charlotte didn't improve...but they were in the playoffs. Does that make them worse? Or still low-level playoff team?

If you ask Larry...Shaun Livingston is a bigger pickup than anyone Miami picked up anyway.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 8, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

But you, my friend, are often in left field dreaming your dream about as often as Larry. Ever notice you get the people that make the most sense in here like myself or Samson or SDMDTSU or Kal arguing against/with you ALL the time. That's not to say you don't have an interesting post on occasion bc you do. You just can't debate worth a damn when challenged, but it's funny seeing you try

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 7, 2010 3:39 AM

Wow, what an assumption rphilli721, I guess I will never have to indicate again that I agreed with some of your posts or the posts of some of the folks you've named above.

For, for me to admit that I have agreed with numerous points of view of the aforenamed that you have stated including yourself would make what you have just stated, what, shall I just say, inaccurate, or, shall I just a cow with horns with a pie.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 8, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

If you ask Larry...Shaun Livingston is a bigger pickup than anyone Miami picked up anyway.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 8, 2010 1:12 PM |

You might want to clarify that.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 8, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

But you, my friend, are often in left field dreaming your dream about as often as Larry. Ever notice you get the people that make the most sense in here like myself or Samson or SDMDTSU or Kal arguing against/with you ALL the time. That's not to say you don't have an interesting post on occasion bc you do. You just can't debate worth a damn when challenged, but it's funny seeing you try

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 7, 2010 3:39 AM

You are nuts. Essientially, you spin the same negativity about guys who the basketball experts (sans the wIZARDS) that the rest of the bash]ketball world has hiogh regrad for. In the main, your arguments refer to the deficiencoes of most of the young players without recognizing or being objective about the positive attributes of these players (principally Blatche and McGee).
I enjoy Larry's Posts because they are reasonable and non-personal.

Posted by: NewManagement | August 8, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Mike please change the subject, it is a little too much to stay on JM for over a week.

Posted by: gtefferra | August 8, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

"Mike please change the subject, it is a little too much to stay on JM for over a week.Posted by: gtefferra"

Who is this Albert Haynesworth we keep reading about?

Posted by: Samson151 | August 8, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

@Larry and New,

Huh??? English please. And, New, have you read a damn thing. I was debating the development of players and whether much besides the player himself and their talent dictates how good they become and certainly not an interim coach who coached them for 70 games. I've never said AB or JM have no talent or potential. Never. I hope they both flourish, but I don't watch them with fanatical blinders on either. At this point, AB is much further ahead. I just hope he doesn't digress. And, I'm glad JM is on Team USA, but he has accomplished nothing to deserve being on the team just yet. Team USA is trying out his potential and, if he actually "makes" the team, it's through pure attrition. Regardless, it can only benefit him and the Wiz barring injury.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 8, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

@New,

You enjoy Larry's posts bc they make as much sense as you do with the same amount of correct spelling and English. Hate to say it, but a spade is a spade my friend. You have 5/6 glaring spelling errors in that one little paragraph by the way. And, I don't know where my opinion is vastly different than the rest of the "basketball world" (whatever that means). Seems I'm perfectly in sync and you might be a little high.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

"For, for me to admit that I have agreed with numerous points of view of the aforenamed that you have stated including yourself would make what you have just stated, what, shall I just say, inaccurate, or, shall I just a cow with horns with a pie."

Interpreter please!!!! lmao

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Surely your astuteness that you proclaim shant keep from understanding exactly what was stated therein rphilli721.

For Mr. Hilli721, if that statement needs to be explained to you, that explains much about yourself and your intellect.

Furthermore, your statement that McGee hasn't done a thing to be on the team only exemplifies your ignorance and lack of historical knowledge about United States Amateur Basketball.

At one time NBA players were not allowed to compete in world competitions, only Amateurs were, but teams outside of the US allowed any of their players to compete regardless of their status.

So, the only requirement now to be a member of the US Team is to be American born and thats it.

For you to come out and say that McGee is undeserving of being on the team because he hasn't done anything is a bit snobbish in my book and emblematic also, of your lack of understanding of basic english.

Lo and behold, we all better get dictionaries and dot all the i's and cross all the t's and not leave a word out so you can understand and follow what is being said.

LMAO!!! Yeah, Right.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 9, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Interpreter Please...

Don't be trying to show your ignorance with me. I am quite sure that any blogger that comes across that statement has figured out what a cow with horns and and cow pie denotes.

And you have the nerve to talk about english. Do you even know it rphilli721???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 9, 2010 1:49 AM | Report abuse

"2011 Eastern Conference playoff teams:

1 Miami
2 Boston
3 Orlando
4 Chicago
5 Milwaukee
6 Atlanta
7 Wasington
8 New York

I think Charlotte didn't improve at all and DJ Augustin is a below average NBA PG.

Cleveland and Toronto are lottery teams for obvious reasons.

Hopefully the Wizards could push the C's to a game 6 or 7 in an epically entertaining first round series."

Interesting thought. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities, but probably still highly unlikely. For that to happen, JW would have to play great his first season - as in ROY. Things would have to go very well with the transition of GA to less ball hog more SG. AB would have to play about as well as he did for those 30 games last season for an entire season. JM would have to maintain the middle respectably and consistently. And, the bench consisting of Seraphin (R) Booker (R), NY (always erratic), and Yi would have to play better than expected. KH will be fine.

The frontline in particular is just suspect and young. I think they will blow some teams out unexpectedly with their speed and athleticism - like I can see them getting on a roll and running the Celtics or the Spurs out of the gym. But, night in night out it's too much to ask. 35 wins will be good for them.

Now, if we had BH for one more season, I can see it much more easily. He would be the solid veteran anchor upfront that will be sorely missing.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Surely your astuteness that you proclaim shant keep from understanding exactly what was stated therein rphilli721.

For Mr. Hilli721, if that statement needs to be explained to you, that explains much about yourself and your intellect.

Furthermore, your statement that McGee hasn't done a thing to be on the team only exemplifies your ignorance and lack of historical knowledge about United States Amateur Basketball.

At one time NBA players were not allowed to compete in world competitions, only Amateurs were, but teams outside of the US allowed any of their players to compete regardless of their status.

So, the only requirement now to be a member of the US Team is to be American born and thats it.

For you to come out and say that McGee is undeserving of being on the team because he hasn't done anything is a bit snobbish in my book and emblematic also, of your lack of understanding of basic english.

Lo and behold, we all better get dictionaries and dot all the i's and cross all the t's and not leave a word out so you can understand and follow what is being said.

LMAO!!! Yeah, Right.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 9, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Did you really take almost 200 words to say that JaVale is American?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 9, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

@SDMDTSU

Uh Huh. That amoung other things as well. I guess the rest of it wasn't proper enough for you and hilli721 to understand.

Sorry that my Southern upbringing/education doesn't measure up to you two's high and mighty standards.

In the future, I'll try to measure up to snobville. But that really isn't my style, so don't hold yawl's breath.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 9, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully the Wizards could push the C's to a game 6 or 7 in an epically entertaining first round series."

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 1:51 AM |

Well, I guess there isn't any spelling or punctuation mistakes and improper word usage in that statement rphilli721, Mr. Expert English Criticizer.

Talking about the pot calling the kettle black, my friend you need to check yourself first.

As my daddy would say, don't hurt yo'self pulling yo' foot outa' yo' mouth.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 9, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

rphilli721,
Wall being rookie of the year isn't really much of a stretch, and Gil playing solidly might be even less of a stretch. Gil's knows where he's at in his career and knows he needs to put together a solid year or he might get Marbury'd in this league.

You completely ignored Josh Howard, you know the same Josh Howard who got scapgoated by the Mavericks and now is playing for a contract. I'm wondering how long into the season he'll be before he's effective, but one thing for sure he's going to be extremely motivated.

I'd expect him to play very well. Playing for a multi-year deal, when you just had to sign one year conditional deal, just has a way of motivating players.

Upfront, if he doesn't have lingering effects from the foot injury Blatche will be solid. With the increased scoring around him I'd look for him to score a little less and rebound more.

One thing to remember, Wall, Arenas, and Howard are all good rebounders for their positions. Flip may have to really stress a team rebounding concept to makeup for weakness up front in defensive rebounding.

McGee as a starting center is going to be some what of an adventure. He's still really green to be looked upon as a starter, and I'm not real happy with the backup depth. Blatche could end up playing some center if the roster doesn't change between now and the regular season.

But McGee's stints with USA Basketball should help with basics like concentrating on improving his defensive rebounding. But the kid will probably be quite up and down in his performances from night to night.

Right now I'd say the Wizards are a solid center away from a 7-8 slot in the playoffs. Can McGee be that guy? I think it could be stretching things to expect him to go starters minutes night in and night out this season.

But that's where Wall really comes into play. McGee gets a couple of easy baskets and his confidence seems to really soar most nights. Wall's the kind of point that will get guys involved and seems to instinctively know where and when to get them the ball.

If Wall is able to make McGee and Yi play to their potential, and the Wiz can get solid minutes out of Armstrong and Booker, the frontcourt doesn't look so weak.

Seraphin is the real wild card up front, I'd expect him to be green as grass in some areas of his game. But from the limited film I've seen, he doesn't mind mixing it up down low. And he's got that wide body that the Wiz haven't seen in years.

I think it's a stretch to expect him to contribute meaningful minutes this year. But if Wall has the impact on Seraphin that he seemed to have on McGee in Summer League, who knows.

Wall could well be one of those players who has that ability to make a whole team better and pack the fans in the seats. Those kind of guys are rare, but I think I saw signs of it in Vegas. If he pans out to be that kind of player, who knows what the upside for this team is.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 9, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"Hopefully the Wizards could push the C's to a game 6 or 7 in an epically entertaining first round series."

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 1:51 AM |

Well, I guess there isn't any spelling or punctuation mistakes and improper word usage in that statement rphilli721, Mr. Expert English Criticizer.

Talking about the pot calling the kettle black, my friend you need to check yourself first.

As my daddy would say, don't hurt yo'self pulling yo' foot outa' yo' mouth.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

I don't know how or where you got that statement you dumb f ing hillbilly, but I never said anything near that. Get off the pipe your smoking on your front porch and quit making sht up.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Actually, you completely made that up you lying piece of sht. Just as I figured!

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"Right now I'd say the Wizards are a solid center away from a 7-8 slot in the playoffs. Can McGee be that guy? I think it could be stretching things to expect him to go starters minutes night in and night out this season."

I think we pretty much agree. My statement was if we had BH for one more season we probably be in the mix for the 7th or 8th seed. Wall being in contention for ROY would not be surprising, but, then again, even ROY's tend to go missing for weeks on end particularly late in the season. Again, I think a lot would have to go just about perfect for it to happen so soon. And, what's the point anyway. I would rather another lottery pick so our rebuild is on a more solid foundation than it already is. Besides, it's the Bullets/Wiz. No season ever goes better than expected. I think the last time that happened was the late 70's!

I will say this. I think this season will be a pleasant surprise. Unlike last season's unpleasant surprise.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

@flohr,

lol...you are right...I forgot to mention I did completely forget about JH. He helps too! But, we got his knee, Gilbert's knee, Blatche's foot, JM's head, and a bunch of guys playing different or more prominent roles. For all that to come together and produce a consistent winner capable of making the playoffs this season would still surprise me. Like I said, it's not out of the realm of possibilities. Toronto and Cleveland should certainly suck. Poor Cleveland! Poor Jamison...lmao. Guy can't catch a break. And, he is a classy dude whether he plays D or not.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I still think Cleveland is a playoff team. yeah they lost LeBron...but they can scavenge an 8 seed in the east.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 9, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

If Gil's taking 19shots/night the team is sunk. If he's much more controlled, competing for the 8th seed is not unreasonable.

And thank goodness BTH is gone (and AJ and CB).

Posted by: divi3 | August 9, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

rphilli,
You're right, lots has to fall into place and there's a couple of iffy knees and a stress fracture in a foot to worry about.

But Wall could be one of those guys that has the effect of raising the game of everybody around him.

Saw some nice signs of that in Vegas, I know Vegas isn't the NBA, but he did a really nice job of getting the ball to guys where they had a chance to do something with it. seemed to be a huge difference when he was off the floor.

I don't think the importance of getting Hinrich can be overstated. Flip should be able to keep Wall fresh by using Hinrich as the B/U point guard. I think that could help Wall not hit a wall in March.

He also is a really long and quick defender. Defensively he reminds me some of a young Larry Hughes when he came over from Golden State. Larry hasn't played real D in a long while, so most think I'm crazy to bring him up as a defender. But there was a time when he could really defend almost anybody in the backcourt.

Most people tend to forget, but Gil's rep when he came over from GS was as a good defender. EJ wanted him to concentrate on developing his offensive game, Gil did that, and in the process became an indifferent defender.

Question now is, does he have the lateral quickness to still defend? That could be Young's chance to get off the bench, Nick can matchup with a lot of two guards. He's got to figure out the team defense part, but last spring he was playing very good man on man.

It's going to be interesting to see the effect the Flip has on the team this year. This group of guys should know he's running the show now.

Hope Mike posts something new before this turns completely into a mudslinging contest...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 9, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"But Wall could be one of those guys that has the effect of raising the game of everybody around him."

Definitely what you're counting on when drafting a PG #1 overall, and he has exhibited that ability for sure.

JM will probably benefit the most, and the addition of Wall could go a long way to blunting Mcgee's post-defense deficiencies. If he's facing a C that is consistently posting him up, but he can consistently beat that guy down court the other way- Wall will no doubt take advantage for plenty of ez buckets.

Posted by: divi3 | August 9, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I think if I had to guess, the player who'll benefit most from Wall's presence isn't Gilbert or Javale, but Blache. He's still the only inside scoring option that I can see. I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see him spend a fair number of minutes at center, either, depending on the matchup.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 9, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz are still lottery-bound and that's how management wants it for this year. Signing Howard and trading for Hinrich were to provide some veteran leadership. The young guys besides JW including McGee, Booker, and Seraphin are getting on the job training that they wouldn't see on a playoff-calibre team. The Wiz actually remind me quite a bit of the Chicago team from a couple of years ago that had drafted Rose, Tyrus Thomas, and Noah to go with some vets like Hinrich and Gordon.

Another bad year with hopefully a Top 5 pick and potentially trading Arenas will benefit the Wiz in the long run. More cap space is freed up when Yi, Young, and Thornton are FA's after this season. None will likely be here next season unless they play beyond expectations. Anyone who thinks the Wiz are going to pass Charlotte or Cleveland to get in the playoffs are not being realistic. Both of those teams will end up somewhere between 6 and 8th.

Posted by: wizfan89 | August 9, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Cavs are going to be awful imo.

Posted by: divi3 | August 9, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I think if I had to guess, the player who'll benefit most from Wall's presence isn't Gilbert or Javale, but Blache. He's still the only inside scoring option that I can see. I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see him spend a fair number of minutes at center, either, depending on the matchup.

Posted by: Samson151

The only reason I'll disagree is because AB can score on his own. He might get easier shots with Wall, but I don't think his overall production will dramatically change. Whereas, depending on how good Wall is, JaVale has a good chance to get more -oops and open dunks which will significantly affect his production. And to JaVale's credit, he can go get some passes that few can reach. AB isn't that kind of high-riser.

Posted by: ts35 | August 9, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

wizfan89, I'd agree if Leonsis was simply pushing for a 6-8 playoff spot they'd made more agressive moves to bolster the front line, particularly center.

But what Ernie has done is accumulate a group of guys that can run the floor with Wall. If Blatche, Howard, and Arenas are all healthy the Wiz could be a better team then we all think.

I still think they're a little weak at the 5. But maybe Coach K works some real magic with McGee.

Seraphin is the biggest question mark, if he becomes a regular rotation contributor then maybe the Wizards aren't as weak on the floor as they look on paper.

At best I'd expect we could see something similar to the early Wizard's version of Ben Wallace. If he can achieve that in year one I think we'd all be happy.

Another wild card that I think few are giving much credence to is Yi. One interesting factor to consider is Yao's retirement from Team China. Will Yi now be the number one guy, and will that make him have to evolve into a more aggressive player?

The guy's got some skills, he just has seemed passive as an NBA player so far. If the light comes on for Yi, and Seraphin is able to help out on the boards, this could be a better team then I have been expecting.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 9, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

this could be a better team then I have been expecting.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv

Even if all of those things were to happen -- and most of them are certainly possible -- you'd still have to keep in mind that by and large, this is a very young team, especially up front. Which means, ultimately, that I think they will be in more games than most people expect, but that they will tend to lose games late because of inexperience, especially defensively, and the nod that refs give to established players.

Posted by: ts35 | August 9, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

McGee gets best chance yet to stick on thin U.S. frontcourt

A very fair summary of McGee's time with Team USA. John Schuhmann is becoming one of my favorite NBA writers.

Posted by: djnnnou | August 9, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Mcgee in better shape than anyone else at Team USA camp? Lovely!

Posted by: divi3 | August 9, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I have a hard time to see where washington will fall this coming season,i am 100% sure they will do better than the current roster of ohio.

Posted by: gtefferra | August 9, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Intangibles come into play and for a player to fully earn his coach's trust, he must be experienced, consistent and reliable. At this point in career, McGee is none of those.

But at this point, Colangelo and Krzyzewski are running out of options at center. Lopez said on Wednesday he wouldn't be in good enough condition to continue training in New York this week. So McGee was put back on the roster, again the beneficiary of attrition."

Sounds like exactly like what I've been saying about JM. I think this guy qualifies as an expert in the "basketball world." lol Decent article.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Mcgee in better shape than anyone else at Team USA camp? Lovely!"

Yeah, that is lovely. Maybe he has found the right asthma treatment or something bc we need him to be reliable this year to win games.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

@flohr,

Nice posts man. Yeah, Larry Hughes was a pretty good defender, but more so as a passing lanes kind of guy. He was better than average one on one, I'll give you that.

NY has the physical tools to be a very good one on one defender. Then again, he has the tools to be a lot of things, but his .10 cent head gets in the way. He is the perfect example of the fine line between great success or a bench warmer or worse. You look at his height, jumping ability, ball handling skills, potential to defend, and he has physical tools close to even Jordan. He is just missing every intangible known to mankind...lmao.

And, yes, GA in his first 2/3 seasons in the league was a stalwart defender. I specifically remember his second season watching a late West coast game out of boredom. The coach (Don Nelson then?) puts this guy GA in the game halfway through the 4th bc some wing player on the opposing team was absolutely on fire. They were about to lose a close game. Anyway, GA came in and absolutely shut the player down. He was all over the guy causing turnovers etc.... I remember thinking "this guy has a career as a defender at the very least" bc not many people in the NBA play defense like that. So, fast forward to us acquiring GA in free agency, I was thinking - "well he is a great defender and if his offense keeps improving we'll have one helluva player." Well, he was/is, but I guess the hibachi doesn't bother playing defense. That's why I get po'ed by all the nonchalant blow by's you see from him these days.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

JaVale better had been in the best shape...he had been the only one practicing and playing summer league games.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 9, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Cleveland will still be in the playoffs. They still have more talent than New York.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 8, 2010 1:12 PM

Man I sure want what you're smoking. The Cavs will not even sniff 35 wins much less the playoffs. Do you realize how many teams can't wait to got to Quicken Loans and repay them for 30-point beat downs the last few seasons?

Remember Bron Bron doing a Guitar Hero riff on the baseline as the Cavalier reserves outplayed the Wizards in a 2nd half laugher? Trust me, Cleveland is about to feel the pain ON the court now.

Posted by: elfreako | August 9, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

No idea how Cleveland will do, but it would be tough on any team to lose their leading scorer, their leading playmaker, one of their leading rebounders, one of their best defenders, etc. And then having 3 of your best players all play the same position (AJ, Varejao, Hickson).

No question though, they will be motivated (at least to start the season) to prove themselves.

Posted by: ts35 | August 9, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

There are a few things that Cleveland still possesses - experience, great defense, and the mentality of winners still. They could easily sneak in as a bottom seed. I don't think people are targeting Cleveland now that LJ is gone.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 9, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Cavs will be terrible I think, just awful. We saw what happens when AJ is your best player, and he's 2yrs older now.

And we're going to crush them, serious beat downs that will be fun to watch....lots of great matchups for us against them.

Posted by: divi3 | August 9, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Remember Bron Bron doing a Guitar Hero riff on the baseline as the Cavalier reserves outplayed the Wizards in a 2nd half laugher? Trust me, Cleveland is about to feel the pain ON the court now.

Posted by: elfreako | August 9, 2010 9:55 PM |

I love this comment! I'm at a loss of words for anyone who honestly believes that the Cavs will be a better team than the Wizards. Hickson is one of the most overrated players in the entire NBA, I don't get what the hell everyone sees in him. He's a poor man's Andray Blatche, minus maybe a little of the head issues. He will, at best, put up 12/8 this year because his team is so god-awful. Their PF/C rotation with AJ, Varejao, Hickson and filler will be better than a few teams' in the league, but that's their strongest point. Mo Williams will NOT have the repeated success he has had the past few years, however he can shoot the ball so 17-19 ppg on a low % isn't out of the question for him.

I get that we're often too hypocritical of our own team, because as Wizards fans we can't seem to catch a break, but even if we fielded a broken down team with injured players this year, we'd be better than the Cavs. I cannot wait for us to beat them, even if it's not by that much.

Posted by: TDAV | August 9, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Copy and paste. Copy and paste. A technique used by all of us here. How should someone feel when they have copied and pasted someone's else's statement and then get's accussed of making it up and also has your character called into question?

Is it worth going on about?

I guessing have your own words flung back in your face is too much to take.

Guess they had to consort to delusionary tactics, something they've also tagged on others.

They accuse others of lacking in debate and short on stating their points, but when confronted with their own shortcomings they consort to name calling and disownership.

If I did not know any better, it seems that they believe that you have to believe anything they say without question and accept any insults they hurl at you.

And, you shant reply back and show them that they don't have it all right and stand for your own good character.

No, you shouldn't do that, for if you do, then you get accussed of wallowing and being a mudslinger and smoking a pike.

But, the pig came to my front door, I didn't go to his. The pig called me out. I didn't call him.

In fact, the poster in question was debating someoneelse...I was not in it and had not posted for a day...and I am reading through the blog and here is this personal attack and he invokes my name as an example of the personal attack against another blogger.

There are many good bloggers here that discuss agreement as well as disagreement very well.

Why is it that some don't know how to handle disagreement without name calling and personal attacks instead of appropriate discourse?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 10, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

what will the mood be like at Quicken as they watch Blatche drop a 40spot on AJ?? While WITNESSING (hopefully) Wall do his thing to the tune of an up and coming star? That franchise is in shambles.

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards team with AJ as the best player with a bunch of crap veterans got to the playoffs, 43-39 and a 5th seed. (with Caron of course)

AJ + CB and a bunch of 22 and under players = lottery.

They have defense and some shooters. I'm not saying they're going to be in the playoffs, I'm just not gonna be surprised if they scratch out a 7-8 seed.

I see 7 solid playoff teams. Boston, Chicago, Miami, Atlanta, Orlando, Milwaukee, and Charlotte.

New York, Cleveland, New Jersey, Philly, Indiana, Detroit, Toronto and our Wizards are all trying to come up. Which one of those teams is head and shoulders above Cleveland? I think they're coming back with a chip too...since all of a sudden LeBron was winning 60+ games by himself.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 10, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

If the Cavs have a legit shot at the postseason, then surely we do too right? Look how we matchup with them...favorable for us at most positions.

re: AJ, is he going to come off the bench again now that he's 35? Will be interesting to see what his role is on that team.

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Bulletsforever lets us know that Gilbert is not the NBA's only 'toxic contract':

"...Gilbert does not have the market cornered on bad contracts, as some would have us believe. That dubious honor he shares with the likes of Rashard Lewis, Michael Redd, Andrei Kirilenko, Vince Carter and Zach Randolph. Plus there are some long time stars (Kevin Garnett and Yao Ming) that are beginning to creep into that territory due to age and/or health concerns."

Posted by: Samson151 | August 10, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Is there any chance that AJ might have to take the star role on that team?

I mean, who else on that team is going to assume that role?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 10, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I don't see why things couldn't come together and we could challenge for that 8 spot.

Wall/Mo
Parker/Gil
Thornton/Moon
AJ/Blatche
Varajeo/McGee

Seems we have the better backcourt and they have the better frontcourt. And positions we may look better but it's about how the team plays together.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 10, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Yeah....clearly I'm remedial...switch Mo and Moon...lol

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 10, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

New York, Cleveland, New Jersey, Philly, Indiana, Detroit, Toronto and our Wizards are all trying to come up. Which one of those teams is head and shoulders above Cleveland? I think they're coming back with a chip too...since all of a sudden LeBron was winning 60+ games by himself.

Posted by: SDMDTSU

I don't see any of those teams as being head and shoulders above the rest, but all of them also could have a legit shot at the #8 slot. It could end up being a real dogfight.

New York - uptempo style with the additions of Stoudemire, Randolph, Azubuike and Felton. Their D will suck, but they will outscore people.
Cleveland - the most veteran team out of the group. Some mismatched pieces, but probably still the best defensive team out of this group. Scoring could be a problem.
New Jersey - They essentially replaced Yi with Derek Favors....um, upgrade! They could make noise depending on his adjustment to the NBA. If he comes out playing like a stud, they will be competitive. Personally I think they're a year or two away.
Philly - They've changed coaches...again. But they do have a good base of talent, and they did add a potential star themselves.
Indy - They're probably still a PG away, but they were in the neighborhood of the #8 last year, and have enough talent to get there. They added nice pieces potentially in George and Stephenson.
Detroit - Still a lot of talent on the team. If it comes together, and/or if Monroe provides enough of a boost, they can compete for the last slot.
Toronto - Easy to expect this team to drop. They have tons of perimeter talent though, and if some combination of Ed Davis, Amir Johnson, Kleiza, Anderson, Dorsey, etc can give them any presence inside, they are capable of competing for the #8.
Wizards - Good pieces and balance, but still big question marks about how the pieces fit, and a big question mark about what they'll get from the C position.

Posted by: ts35 | August 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't see any of those teams as being head and shoulders above the rest, but all of them also could have a legit shot at the #8 slot. It could end up being a real dogfight.

New York - uptempo style with the additions of Stoudemire, Randolph, Azubuike and Felton. Their D will suck, but they will outscore people.

Cleveland - the most veteran team out of the group. Some mismatched pieces, but probably still the best defensive team out of this group. Scoring could be a problem.

New Jersey - They essentially replaced Yi with Derek Favors....um, upgrade! They could make noise depending on his adjustment to the NBA. If he comes out playing like a stud, they will be competitive. Personally I think they're a year or two away.

Philly - They've changed coaches...again. But they do have a good base of talent, and they did add a potential star themselves.

Indy - They're probably still a PG away, but they were in the neighborhood of the #8 last year, and have enough talent to get there. They added nice pieces potentially in George and Stephenson.

Detroit - Still a lot of talent on the team. If it comes together, and/or if Monroe provides enough of a boost, they can compete for the last slot.

Toronto - Easy to expect this team to drop. They have tons of perimeter talent though, and if some combination of Ed Davis, Amir Johnson, Kleiza, Anderson, Dorsey, etc can give them any presence inside, they are capable of competing for the #8.

Wizards - Good pieces and balance, but still big question marks about how the pieces fit, and a big question mark about what they'll get from the C position.

Posted by: ts35 | August 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I agree pretty much 100%

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

A defensive minded Center who has trouble scoring, Varejo is a great matchup for Mcgee. JMs biggest issues come against larger players who post him up, Anderon is neither stronger than Javale nor has any post-up game. Not getting into who is the better player blah blah blah, just saying it's not Achilles heel type matchup.

And AB is going to punish AJ, cant we all see that coming? Not saying I am relishing the thought (i like AJ), just saying it's going to be a long night for Antawn. Look what KG did to him, and AB is of similar length and has better offensive skills.

And what about KH? Seems like I'm the only person who doesnt drool over him, yet none of y'all seem to be crediting the improvement 25-30mins/night from him should bring us. Wall/Gil/KH should be a major backcourt advantage right?

Cant wait to stick it to the Cavs!

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

And AB is going to punish AJ, cant we all see that coming? Not saying I am relishing the thought (i like AJ), just saying it's going to be a long night for Antawn. Look what KG did to him, and AB is of similar length and has better offensive skills.

Blatche has more offensive skills than KG? Slow down buddy. Don't let those 30 games get you too far ahead of yourself.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The mind is willing but the body doesn't always cooperate might be the best way to sum up KG's game at this point.

He blew some point plank layups back in June that maybe could have changed some Ls to Ws if I recall correctly.

Blatche has a LONG way to go to match his body of work but ironically right now he's more resourceful offensively.

Posted by: elfreako | August 10, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

KG is at the tail end of his career, no doubt in my mind AB is the more effective offensive player. At any rate, he's certainly skilled enough to not be impeded by AJs defense which was the broader point.

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Him playing on a bad knee and having more offensive skill...I can't agree on that yet. Until I see he's COMPLETELY washed up...maybe. Even still...that's stretching it.

We'll just agree to disagree.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Anderon is neither stronger than Javale nor has any post-up game.

Varejao is not a bad matchup for McGee as these things go, but he is most definitely stronger and more physical than McGee.

And AB is going to punish AJ, cant we all see that coming?

I think we talked about this before. AB probably would kill him, but if I'm Cleveland, I wouldn't have AJ guarding him. If Thornton is in the game at the same time, they would likely (or at least I would) have AJ guard Thornton. Thornton is not big enough, quick enough, or enough of a scorer to make that a mismatch. Meanwhile, they have Hickson or Varejao cover AB, more likely Varejao, because he's an experienced and physical post defender. Hickson gives up a lot of size to McGee, but all things being equal, they'll live with that matchup. Or they put Hollins in instead to match McGee's size and athleticism.

I think we have a much bigger advantage in the backcourt than the frontcourt.


Posted by: ts35 | August 10, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

AB has dogged KG the last 3x they've played, I guess we'll see this season how much of that may have been due to Garnett's injury.

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Wiz 10/11 Sked Released

http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/sched1011.html

3 of 4 on the road to start off with & the 1st 2 on the road against division opponents. Not & easy thing. Also, I know weve been bad but we still got Flip & the #1 pick in the draft so whats with the lack of National TV games? I dont expect us to get the Heat or Lakers coverage but we couldve gotten a few more. Im guessing it will be a wait & see thing on us. If we play well then they will add a few more as the year goes on. Still shouldve been more though.

Posted by: dlts2041 | August 10, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

How about playing the Lakers twice within a week.

Posted by: elfreako | August 10, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

How about playing the Lakers twice within a week.

Posted by: elfreako

Think Kobe guards Wall on occasion like he did with Rondo? Or does he stay on the guy (or least the remains of the guy) who dropped 60 on him. :)

Posted by: ts35 | August 10, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd pretty much agree with ts35's rundown.

One thing some ignore about Cleveland. Not only did they lose LeBron plus Shaq, Big Z, Etc. They lost their Coach and GM. When the house gets cleaned like that, it's often every man for himself amoung the guys the broom missed.

A very good defensive team can become a defensive wreck in a hurry because nobody looks at defensive stats. These guys are playing for stats to find their way to a better situation.

LeBron and Bosh's moves not only made the two teams they left worse, they screwed up NY, NJ, and Chicago's best laid plans.

Of the three only Chicago seemed to recover well. NJ pretty much got shut out, and after years of manuvering to get out of the "Salary Cap Hell" the Knicks signed some questionable contracts and may have some mismatched parts.

We all know from experience how trying to simply out score people plays out.

Stoudmire has an extensive injury history and plays about as good of D as Jamison, he's a really questionable guy to build around. NY could have just set the effort to play good basketball in the Garden back another 5-6 years.

The Wiz are a maybe a reliable center away from moving up through that group. Question is has Ernie secured a core of talent that can make the move toward becoming a 4 seed in the next couple of years?

Boston may have loaded up for one last run, I can't see this core of players being effective past this year or next.

Atlanta in some ways reminds me of the Wizards from a few years ago, they've accumulated enough talent to be a regular playoff team. Can they move past the first or second round? We saw here how a core of players, that can't take the step of winning in the playoffs, can suddenly implode.

I like Orlando's team, but they lost something when they let Turkalou walk and brought in Carter. They way overpaid for Lewis and it's going to hurt them in putting together a team to get over the top. As long as they can keep Superman they're a contender.

Miami, they might win 60+ games, but then the question becomes how good of a team are they? Can they play within a team concept, or do they play like an Allstar Team that hopes to just drown you with a wave of pure talent.

Can't help but look at them and be reminded of the 76'ers when they managed to end up with George McGinnis and Doctor J out of the rubble of the ABA implosion. They had quite a cast of Allstars, people were talking about 6-7 titles in a row.

They did win one, but the point is it took them a long time sort through that cast of players, overcome injuries, get people to do the dirty work of winning, give up being the team's leading scorer, and learn to live and work as a team.

And that was before ESPN and the NBA Channel and national highlights EVERY night. If Miami pulls up short of the finals in their first year, it will be like the disappointment around here the last couple years times about 100.

It could be interesting...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 10, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Miami, they might win 60+ games, but then the question becomes how good of a team are they? Can they play within a team concept, or do they play like an Allstar Team that hopes to just drown you with a wave of pure talent.

Posted by: flohrtv

In some ways, I give them a better chance in '11/'12. They'll have a year playing together under their belt, plus they'll have the chance to add another piece or two via the MLE. The cast of characters around them now are ok, but really they are still counting on All Star to Superstar levels of performance from the SuperFriends. Hard to maintain that through the regular season and the playoffs. If they go for the Bulls' 72-win record, I could see them faltering in the playoffs.

Posted by: ts35 | August 10, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

(assuming some sort of similar structure under the CBA)

Posted by: ts35 | August 10, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Copy and paste. Copy and paste. A technique used by all of us here. How should someone feel when they have copied and pasted someone's else's statement and then get's accussed of making it up and also has your character called into question?

Is it worth going on about?

I guessing have your own words flung back in your face is too much to take.

Guess they had to consort to delusionary tactics, something they've also tagged on others.

They accuse others of lacking in debate and short on stating their points, but when confronted with their own shortcomings they consort to name calling and disownership.

If I did not know any better, it seems that they believe that you have to believe anything they say without question and accept any insults they hurl at you.

And, you shant reply back and show them that they don't have it all right and stand for your own good character.

No, you shouldn't do that, for if you do, then you get accussed of wallowing and being a mudslinger and smoking a pike.

But, the pig came to my front door, I didn't go to his. The pig called me out. I didn't call him.

In fact, the poster in question was debating someoneelse...I was not in it and had not posted for a day...and I am reading through the blog and here is this personal attack and he invokes my name as an example of the personal attack against another blogger.

There are many good bloggers here that discuss agreement as well as disagreement very well.

Why is it that some don't know how to handle disagreement without name calling and personal attacks instead of appropriate discourse?"

LarryInClintonMD.

Bc I don't like liars you dummy!!!! I did not post that sentence you referenced and, if you could read, you'd notice that that sentence was in quotations above my remarks much like yours is now. Initially, I had no clue where you even came up with such a sentence (making sht up is not above you), but you still were completely wrong. Care to take your feet out of your mouth now donkey??? Yes, your mouth is big enough for both to fit.

By the way, you have quite a few spelling errors in the above rant per usual.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 11, 2010 4:06 AM | Report abuse

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