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Highlights of Wizards' 2010-11 regular season schedule

The Washington Wizards' 2010-2011 regular season schedule was released this afternoon. In the home opener on Nov. 2, No. 1 pick John Wall will face off against No. 2 pick Evan Turner of the Philadelphia 76ers.

Last week the NBA announced that the Wizards will open the season Oct. 28 in a nationally televised (TNT) game at Orlando.

Other schedule highlights include:

* Overall there are eight national television appearances: five on NBA-TV (Nov. 27 vs. Orlando, Dec. 18 vs. Miami, Dec. 22 vs. Chicago, Jan. 24 at New York and Feb. 5 vs. Atlanta); two on TNT (Oct. 28 at Orlando and Nov. 25 at Atlanta); and one on ESPN (Jan. 21 vs. Phoenix).

* Antawn Jamison returns to Washington with the Cavaliers on Nov. 6.

* Kobe Bryant the the NBA Champion Los Angeles Lakers visit Washington on Dec. 14.

* Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Chris Bosh and the Miami Heat come to town on Dec. 18 and March 30.

* The longest road trip of the season is five games (March 22 - 28).

* The Wizards will be busy on a few holidays: at Atlanta on Nov. 25 (Thanksgiving), at Indiana on Dec. 31 (New Year's Eve), vs. New Orleans on Jan. 1 (New Year's Day), and vs. Utah on Jan. 17 (Martin Luther King Day).

Here is the complete Wizards' schedule.

By Alexa Steele  |  August 10, 2010; 2:45 PM ET
 
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I wish the Wizards site would post which pre-season games are televised.

Posted by: MeviousMan | August 10, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

What's the story with training camp? Now that Richmond, VA is out, have the Wiz announced the new location? Are they working on the details with Mason?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | August 10, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Mevious -

I'd bet the October 12th and 14th home games will be on CSN for sure.

You have to think October 5th at Dallas has many compelling story lines as well.

I think CSN is contractually obligated to carry 3 preseason games if memory serves.

Posted by: elfreako | August 10, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

3 of 4 on the road to start off with & the 1st 2 on the road against division opponents. Not & easy thing. Also, I know weve been bad but we still got Flip & the #1 pick in the draft so whats with the lack of National TV games? I dont expect us to get the Heat or Lakers coverage but we couldve gotten a few more. Im guessing it will be a wait & see thing on us. If we play well then they will add a few more as the year goes on. Still shouldve been more though.

Posted by: dlts2041 | August 10, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

lol...we are bad, therefore, there is no national interest in us - period. Perhaps, if JW were in the LJ category of hype coming out, we would be getting much more attention already, but that is not the case. We are going to have to win more.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 10, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

i dont care about the national spots, it's not like they arent being shown here. Better to roll along under the radar while we work out the many kinks that'll be present with this roster out of the gate.

I still say there is plenty enough talent for a good coach to mold into a competitive team, but it sure wont look that way early on imo

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

We were lucky to get the ones we got.

Posted by: dcwizard | August 10, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to the nationally televized games. Too bad 5 of 8 of them will be blacked out. It kills me that Ron Thompson is on NBA-TV when Phil and Buck are still doing Wizards games. Phil's not so bad, but it's obvious that Buck can't follow plays because he needs reading glasses to spout off the endless stats.

Posted by: djnnnou | August 10, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Without Wall, the national interest in the Washington Wizards would be on a par w/ that of the Washington Generals.

Posted by: randysbailin | August 10, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Not an easy schedule to get out of the gate with.

If Wall and the Wizards play well as the season goes on the national games will come. Wall seemed to create quite a buzz in Vegas. So if the Wizards are better then expected, the fan interest will be there.

How good is the national media expecting the Wiz to be? I'd say they're expecting them to be about as bad as the Nets were last season. So exceeding the expectations of the National basketball media isn't going to be real hard.

And without Wall this year's Wiz could actually BE the Washington Generals.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 11, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

"McGee coming back, that was important,'' Colangelo said. "We've got to take a good look at our size. ... If something did happen with Tyson ... the only real (center) is McGee other than (power forward Kevin) Love, who can play (center). ... So we want to see how things come this week. The other thing is, when we start playing exhibition games, a player like McGee can gain confidence in those games. ... Size is an issue when we've lost too many big guys.''


"I think they're pretty good,'' McGee (right) said of his chances to make the final roster. "We got Tyson but he's not going to be able to play 40 minutes. We've got somebody to come in for him. We're the same size (the 7-foot McGee and the 7-1 Chandler are the team's only players taller than 6-10). We do the same things.''

McGee, like Chandler a defensive-oriented shot blocker, said he was excited to get the call last week from his agent, B.J. Armstrong, that he had been invited to rejoin the team.

Posted by: divi3 | August 11, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2010/08/discussing-the-fortunes-of-yi-jianlian-with-david-thorpe.html

Interesting piece on Yi from a few days ago on truthaboutit.net. Still not counting on Yi doing much this season, but nice to see him at least putting in the effort to make himself a better player. Even if it might only be because he's coming into a contract year.

Posted by: ts35 | August 11, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Man, I would've loved for the Wiz to have gotten to Ariza first: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5455472

Posted by: segastyle | August 11, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Man, I would've loved for the Wiz to have gotten to Ariza first: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5455472

Posted by: segastyle

Great deal for the Pacers, good deal for the Hornets, ok deal for the Rockets, and sort of a 'meh' for the Nets. Murphy does give them an experienced big man behind Lopez and Favors, which is good, but I'm sure it's not exciting Nets fans.

From the Hornets perspective, it adds to their talent base, but it does leave them without some degree of protection should Paul leave.

The Rockets get their cap space and I guess they felt like they didn't need Ariza as much anymore?

For the Pacers though, imo, this is a great move. Collison showed a lot of ability in a short stint, and he's going to a team that really needed a PG to run the show. They might miss Murphy a bit, but I guess between Hibbert, Foster and Hansborough, they felt like they could let him go for a piece they need much more. Collison could definitely blow up. He's got a bunch of athletic wing players to run with between Granger, George, Stephenson, Jones, Rush, etc. At some point, they'll need an atheltic PF or C to sub in on occasion to run with all the horses.

Posted by: ts35 | August 11, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

I especially like what Mike said about McGee. He said that McGee's play kind of forces you to make a decision.

Now that's not saying too much in the words themselves, but it was the way he said it and the glint in his eyes when talking about McGee that told me everything.

While it has been clear that they preferred an experienced Lopez, the raw ability of McGee clearly has them excited.

I think it was also clear that Durant is excited about McGee making the squad as well.

What are the odds that Mike will teach McGee not to lose floor leverage and how to recover in his exuberance to block shots?

I am betting that he can.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 11, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah great deal for the Pacers...Paul can't leave for 2 years anyway unless they trade him...so they have a little time to replace Collison.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 11, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

I especially like what Mike said about McGee. He said that McGee's play kind of forces you to make a decision.

Now that's not saying too much in the words themselves, but it was the way he said it and the glint in his eyes when talking about McGee that told me everything.

While it has been clear that they preferred an experienced Lopez, the raw ability of McGee clearly has them excited.

I think it was also clear that Durant is excited about McGee making the squad as well.

What are the odds that Mike will teach McGee not to lose floor leverage and how to recover in his exuberance to block shots?

I am betting that he can.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 11, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I think the Nets came up nicely in this deal. Troy Murphy is a walking double-double when his game is on plus he'll do some extra dirty work to keep Lopez fresher.

Mix in FA additions Outlaw, Morrow, Farmar and Sean May...this team is poised to surprise some folks.

Posted by: elfreako | August 11, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

I especially like what Mike said about McGee. He said that McGee's play kind of forces you to make a decision.

Now that's not saying too much in the words themselves, but it was the way he said it and the glint in his eyes when talking about McGee that told me everything.

While it has been clear that they preferred an experienced Lopez, the raw ability of McGee clearly has them excited.

I think it was also clear that Durant is excited about McGee making the squad as well.

What are the odds that Mike will teach McGee not to lose floor leverage and how to recover in his exuberance to block shots?

I am betting that he can.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 11, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the multiple posts. My internet speed/download is on the blink.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 11, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Be patient folks,

Good things come to those who wait. I read some good post; like the one that said "fly under the radar while we work out the kinks.

Just chill; when we start winning, everyone will jump on board. Keep an eye on the media, they say whom plays on TV.

Peace, John

Posted by: upscalechef | August 11, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"Great deal for the Pacers, good deal for the Hornets, ok deal for the Rockets, and sort of a 'meh' for the Nets. Murphy does give them an experienced big man behind Lopez and Favors, which is good, but I'm sure it's not exciting Nets fans."

I've got to beg to differ. I think Troy Murphy is very underrated. He's coming off two consecutive double-double years, and he's a great shooter. It's not often that you see a big man who can/does shoot/hit threes grabbing 10+ boards as well. He's not a great athlete or defender, but he's not horrible either. Put him together with Brook Lopez who's a great post scorer and their big men can score from about everywhere. Considering his contract is expiring in the near future, and Favors indefinitely needs some time to develop further, getting Murphy for Courtney Lee is a great trade.

Posted by: TDAV | August 11, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

It's not often that you see a big man who can/does shoot/hit threes grabbing 10+ boards as well.
Posted by: TDAV

Well, we basically had one for 5 years and I was underwhelmed :) Don't get me wrong, Murphy is a solid player. And he takes pressure off of Favors to do anything right away. I just don't think he moves the needle much for their win total this year.

Posted by: ts35 | August 11, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I think Murphy is a very good player and a nice addition to the Nets...but obviously the team is a far cry from the Lebron dreamin their summer was predicated on.

Wow, I knew Yi was terrible but didnt realize he was THAT bad. Still think he should have a go at the 3spot despite what Thorpe says

Posted by: divi3 | August 11, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

We are fortunate to have 8 nationally televised games. The Cavaliers have only 3 this year and last year they had 30!!!

Posted by: MeviousMan | August 11, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Be patient folks,

Good things come to those who wait. I read some good post; like the one that said "fly under the radar while we work out the kinks.

Just chill; when we start winning, everyone will jump on board. Keep an eye on the media, they say whom plays on TV.

Peace, John

Posted by: upscalechef | August 11, 2010 4:27 PM

True. So true.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 11, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"I think Troy Murphy is very underrated."

I like Troy and would be hard put to explain why he hasn't been more successful. He's your classic 14 and 10 player, and teams can always find a place for those. The consensus is he starts ahead of Favors in a rotation and leaves next season, either in a sign adn trade or as a FA.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 11, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Be patient folks,

Good things come to those who wait. I read some good post; like the one that said "fly under the radar while we work out the kinks.

Just chill; when we start winning, everyone will jump on board. Keep an eye on the media, they say whom plays on TV.

Peace, John

Posted by: upscalechef | August 11, 2010 4:27 PM

True. So true.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 11, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"Be patient folks,

Good things come to those who wait. I read some good post; like the one that said "fly under the radar while we work out the kinks.

Just chill; when we start winning, everyone will jump on board. Keep an eye on the media, they say whom plays on TV.

Peace, John

Posted by: upscalechef | August 11, 2010 4:27 PM

True. So true.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 11, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse "

32 years and counting....

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | August 11, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

And how do the Las Vegas oddsmakers handicap the Wizard's prospects for 2010/2011? Not surprsingly, neither as dire as those on this blog who classify the Wiz with the Cavaliers and Nets nor as optimistic as yours truly who think they will advance into the 2nd round of the playoffs. Las Vegas currently rates the Wiz in a tie with Charlotte as the eighth best in the East, i.e., barely making or missing the playoffs. The ranking of the East, in order: 1. Heat, 2. Orlando tied with Celtics, 4. Chicago, 5. Atlanta, 6. Knicks, 7. Milwaukee and 8. Wiz tied with Charlotte.

FYI: the above rankings are current (this week) and consistent (taken from multiple betting sites).

Posted by: phil27 | August 11, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

The fact he couldn't guard his own grandmother probably explains Murphy's ceiling. But he's a good offensive player and a very strong rebounder, definitely a useful player for any team.

Posted by: divi3 | August 11, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Considering the oddsmakers predictions, the Wizards should make the playoffs. Knicks 6th, that must be a mistake, they will be weaker than that.

Posted by: Theone9 | August 11, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Considering the oddsmakers predictions, the Wizards should make the playoffs. Knicks 6th, that must be a mistake, they will be weaker than that.

Posted by: Theone9 | August 11, 2010 10:31 PM
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The odds not only reflect the oddsmakers' handicapping but also where the money is being bet. The Knicks still have a larger following than the Wizards, hence they get that extra boost. I agree with you, that the Wiz are better than the Knicks.

Posted by: phil27 | August 11, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

truly who think they will advance into the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Posted by: phil27 | August 11, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

phil27

What year?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 11, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

"Considering the oddsmakers predictions, the Wizards should make the playoffs. Knicks 6th, that must be a mistake, they will be weaker than that.

Posted by: Theone9 | August 11, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse "

The lessons DC has learned is that just b/c the parts look good, that is no guarantee that they can play as a cohesive unit. On paper, is this team better than the Les BouleS team that made the playoffs in the past at the 5th seed? Not so fast.

Looking at the teams in the East, you have Miami, Boston, and Orlando who are clearly better. Then you also have Milwaukee, Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit, and Indiana who are probably better. Add that all up, and Les BouleS are going back to the lottery.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | August 11, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

the national media?

The local media isn't even interested enough to make more then one post every 5 days.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 12, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

"He's[mcgee]trying to do what he can do," coach Mike Krzyzewski said, "and if we don't make the final roster decision here, which I don't think we will, I hope he continues on with us because he'll keep getting better. At that spot, Tyson (Chandler) is really playing well, and you know what Lamar (Odom) will do when he gets into game shape. But if something goes wacky, to have another big guy is not a bad thing. That's where he fits in. He's in the discussion. And when we started camp in Vegas he wasn't even invited. So he's made that much of an impression."

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

On WPL last night they were discussing McGee's return to Team USA along with some interviews with Durant and some of the other players.

Seems like McGee is really making a strong impression with the team and Coaches. Seems like the kid's hardwork is paying off in his game. Looking forward to seeing him back here with the Wizards this fall. Maybe the kid can really hold down the starter's job this year.

Also really enjoyed the link to the story about Yi. I think he could surprise us all this year. With Yi and McGee's strengths, along with Wall at the point,it would seem to me that Flip would really want to push tempo and spread the floor.

That's never really been Flip's game in the past, but he did play it that way a little right after the trades last year. It will be interesting to see how decides to play with this group that Ernie's put together.

Funny how accurate those oddsmakers are some years. Sometimes their over/unders on teams' win totals is uncanny. I'd say the Wizards on the outside competing for an 8 seed is about right. I'd probably flipflop Mil & NY at 6 & 7 though.

I'd probably put the Pacers right there battling with Wiz and Bobcats for an 8 seed. Getting Collison in that deal is going to be big for them. Of the three you've got to give Charlotte the edge down the stretch becauce of experience.

I'd have no dream of the Wiz advancing past round one if they got in, Miami, Boston, and Orlando, are going to be pretty much unbeatable with home court advantage in round one.

I'd think a team would have to get all the way up to a 5 seed to have much chance of moving to the second round.

But in that make the playoffs, or play for the lottery debate, I'd have to come down on the side of the playoffs. To make the playoffs a lot of youngsters would have to play really well. I'd rather see the Wiz's young players performing well and learning to win then struggling.

Advance, or not, playing in the playoffs is good experience for young players. Until a team of youngsters gets to the playoffs they have no idea of what it takes to win there.

Even playing in March with a shot to get in changes the way a team plays, you can see a big difference between the squads playing out the schedule and those that are competing. I want these rookies learning how to compete from year one.

They do that and the Wiz don't need another lottery pick...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 12, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"Also really enjoyed the link to the story about Yi. I think he could surprise us all this year. With Yi and McGee's strengths, along with Wall at the point,it would seem to me that Flip would really want to push tempo and spread the floor."

Yi is a truly phenom athlete, always has been. He's probably the most similar athlete to Javale in the entire league. But did you go to the check-my-stats link in that article? Doesnt paint a pretty picture:

"I am at a loss as to how a player with such impressive measurables and an adequate offensive game can be as invisible as Yi is on the defensive end. He is hopeless. And with the Wizards re-dedication to defense, I just can’t see Yi getting much playing time. I was looking forward to Yi’s ridiculous upside, but after this evaluation, Yi looks like a practice dummy."

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2010/07/check-my-stats-%E6%98%93%E5%BB%BA%E8%81%94-yi-jianlian-grape-wall-of-china.html

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Well, we basically had one for 5 years and I was underwhelmed :) Don't get me wrong, Murphy is a solid player. And he takes pressure off of Favors to do anything right away. I just don't think he moves the needle much for their win total this year.

Posted by: ts35 | August 11, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Haha, good point. I know Jamison played PF, but I never once considered him a "big man". Troy Murphy has a little bit more size, but actually uses his body down low.

The move won't get the Nets much more wins, but it will make them more competitive. It also frees up some cap space for them for next year (they'll have some $20 mill to spend on Melo?), and it allows Favors to develop slowly. In the short term and long term, I think it's a pretty good deal.

Posted by: TDAV | August 12, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Murphy and AJ are similar players who tend to have career nights against each other as neither plays D and both can score.

Interesting stat, both AJ and Murphy were assisted on 100% of their 3s last season.

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I know Jamison played PF, but I never once considered him a "big man". Troy Murphy has a little bit more size, but actually uses his body down low.

The move won't get the Nets much more wins, but it will make them more competitive. It also frees up some cap space for them for next year (they'll have some $20 mill to spend on Melo?), and it allows Favors to develop slowly. In the short term and long term, I think it's a pretty good deal.
Posted by: TDAV

Murphy and AJ are similar players who tend to have career nights against each other as neither plays D and both can score.
Posted by: divi3

I would call Murphy a better defender than AJ (granted a low standard), and he's definitely more willing to throw his body around, because he's a bit bigger and more physical than AJ. But he certainly doesn't blow me away on that end of the floor. And obviously AJ is a much better offensive player.

The Nets didn't need the cap space, they had plenty already. Courtney Lee is still on his rookie deal so he would have cost them $1M this year and they had a team option for next year at $1.5M. But Murphy does give them a big expiring contract as a potential trading chip for a big name player without hurting their salary cap space for next year.

Posted by: ts35 | August 12, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

divi3, I thing we all tend to overlook that on top of the the cultural issues of getting drafted to the Bucks, Yi's basketball experience wasn't any where on par with what most players come into the league with.

I'd agree I haven't seen him play a lick of D since coming to the NBA. And force feeding a guy a lot of minutes when he appears clueless isn't the solution.

I'd hope he'd get the coaching here to lead to some improve play. Sounds like his agent realizes the need for improvement in order to get his next contract.

If he's now grasping the need for improvements to his game and his conditioning level, the foundation for improvement is there.

He's got the body and the skills to play the 4, he's just got to put it all together. Maybe walking out the door of Verizon and being right in Chinatown will make a difference.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 12, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Salary cap space is worthless unless you can spend it on quality. The Nets had space this summer and it was basically useless. The thing about next year is who are the free agents to target? Sure they might be able to get some guppies, but they need a big fish.

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 12, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah that one article I read on Yi said he had the tools...but didn't understand all the basic concepts...which can lead to a player looking clueless on defense.

Sounds like our starting C.

I think he'll be more than a practice body. I'm not expecting stardom either. If he averaged 12 and 7 here...I wouldn't be upset. Hell I'd be happy if JaVale averaged that.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 12, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I dont get why Yi is always talked of as a shooter, yet there isnt any stat to back that up other than a 7 game stretch in April when he shot 45%FG. It's hard for me to envision how he'll get enough coaching and PT over the course of one season here to improve to the point that we'd keep him, but I guess you never know.

What will infuriate me is if he plays poorly yet keeps getting minutes for some mysterious reason. A team this bad shouldnt have any guaranteed minutes, but realistically Wall, Gil, and Hinrich are guaranteed X amount of burn. Let's leave the list at that!

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

flohrtv

I agree. A lot of the foreign players just don't have the instinct bred by playing since you were a kid playing with the "LIL TYKES" basketball we got for Christmas. Yi and Seraphin are behind in the instinct category.

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 12, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Yi is labelled a shooter because all he knows is to stand there and shoot when open. Other than that, he is clueless. It doesn't matter if he CAN shoot. It is more of what he CAN'T do, like make a basketball play.

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 12, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Yi is labelled a shooter because all he knows is to stand there and shoot when open. Other than that, he is clueless. It doesn't matter if he CAN shoot. It is more of what he CAN'T do, like make a basketball play.

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 12, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

all of a sudden wizards fans take issue with one dimensional players. So high and mighty after x amount of seasons riding AJ,CB and BTH's jocks. All three of those guys were one dimensional. Rag on Yi all you want, i think he'll give us some good minutes thisseason.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | August 12, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

you never saw me rag on AJ, CB, or BTH being one dimensional, and I never said Yi isn't worth take a look. All I said is he is lacking in the instinct department, something AJ, CB, and BTH don't. They may be limited, but that is in skill and natural ability, not instinct. Both AJ and CB are capable of making basketball plays offensively. BTH, not so much, but he is a center and has defensive instincts.

Yi and Seraphin, no instinct. They either think and then react, but miss out on the play, or just don't be involved. Yi, has no defensive or rebounding instinct. Seraphin, how much do you want to bet that he won't have foul problems?

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 12, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

and for the record, Caron and Jamison aren't one-dimensional offensive players. They both shoot, drive, and make basketball plays offensively.

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 12, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"I agree. A lot of the foreign players just don't have the instinct bred by playing since you were a kid playing with the "LIL TYKES" basketball we got for Christmas. Yi and Seraphin are behind in the instinct category.Posted by: G-Man11"

I think not coming from the playgrounds works in their favor in some respects -- less likely to be infected with chronic dunkamania, for instance. And of course the lack of a personal posse is a plus...

Posted by: Samson151 | August 12, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"And force feeding a guy a lot of minutes when he appears clueless isn't the solution. posted by flohrtv"

Force-feed minutes to the clueless? But isn't that what a cadre on this blog have been pushing for McGee and Nick Young over the past couple seasons?

From the description in the article, Yi sounds a bit like McGee -- tempting athlete afflicted with the dreaded 'low basketball IQ', whatever that means. Both are 'value' players for the Wiz, McGee only costing an 18th pick, Yi practically a gift from a team looking to dump salary. If one works out, we're probably ahead as a team.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 12, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

think not coming from the playgrounds works in their favor in some respects -- less likely to be infected with chronic dunkamania, for instance. And of course the lack of a personal posse is a plus...

Posted by: Samson151

Part of what made U.S. dominant in international play was bred on playgrounds. Coaching is used to harness and develop the skill. Where do you think the aggression comes from? I certainly can tell Yi hasn't played on a playground just on his lack of aggression.

Do you prefer 3point shooting instead of dunking, going to the basket? Sure you can run sets. International rules are made to level the playing field against the U.S. The game is a U.S. made game. Internationally, it was changed to accomodate the world, but not the U.S.

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 12, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

A team this bad shouldnt have any guaranteed minutes, but realistically Wall, Gil, and Hinrich are guaranteed X amount of burn. Let's leave the list at that!

Posted by: divi3

Wow, really? So AB shouldn't have a guaranteed amount of minutes? You'll be happy if McGee doesn't get regular, guaranteed minutes?

Posted by: ts35 | August 12, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

G-Man11, I think that's a somewaht dated view of all international ball. There are players coming out of Europe and South America that are plenty aggressive and have the instincts to walk right into the NBA.

The play in China lags far behind the USA, South America, and Europe. Yao was so big that his lack of real instincts didn't hurt him quite as much.

Yi's struggled to adapt to the NBA has to be looked at in the light that Chineese basketball is about on par with your local JUCO basketball. Yi's got gifts that he had no clue of how to use when he got here.

Third or fourth year in, if the light doesn't come on, it's probably not. But compare him somewhat to Haywood in his developmental curve. Brendan was a big guy that was slow to develop and a lot of them really are.

I'm not EXPECTING a lot out of Yi. I'm just saying that after reading the posted articale about him, he might surprise us all.

I wasn't one of the guys crying about McGee and Young's minutes. When they've played well, they've got minutes, when they haven't, they've sat. When either guy pulls a real boneheaded move, they've been pulled from the game. That's the way it should be.

My only complaint about young guys minutes was under Tapscott, long after the season was a lost cause, Taps still force fed Jamison and Butler enough time and deferred to them, so they could get THEIR numbers. That wasn't helping anybody but two players' ego.

That could have led to some of Flip's problems getting the vets to play for them.
But that's two season's ago, it's time for Young and McGee to realize nobody is given minutes in this league before they're earned.

It's pretty clear that McGee has worked very hard on developing his game this summer, anything we get out of Yi will be a bonus. And if Blatche's foot slows him out of the gate, the Wiz might need him show that he can play heavy minutes early.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 12, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

As far as Yi's rebounding numbers...they are about equal to Dray's from what I'm seeing from the article. We all know JaVale's rebounding issues....could be a long season on the boards.

If all these experts are correct.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow, really? So AB shouldn't have a guaranteed amount of minutes? You'll be happy if McGee doesn't get regular, guaranteed minutes?

Posted by: ts35 | August 12, 2010 3:45 PM |

AB has earned minutes, but if he was horrible for 40games I'm sure they'd be taken away. Realistically, it's not like there is any chance whatsoever Yi is going to challenge him for PT.

And I dont think there is any possible way that Seraphin is ready to push Mcgee, so again, a non-issue.

Hinrich and Gil shouldnt have guaranteed minutes, but unfortunately they do.

Like I've said before, imo NY will outperform Gil and Hinrich at 2...but it will be for naught.

as far as people supposedly clamoring for Mcgee to be force fed minutes, I think you may be forgetting that was in relation to Oberto being on the floor.

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Yi and Seraphin, no instinct. They either think and then react, but miss out on the play, or just don't be involved. Yi, has no defensive or rebounding instinct. Seraphin, how much do you want to bet that he won't have foul problems?

Posted by: G-Man11

Has anyone actually seen Seraphin play aside from compressed video postings of highlights? As for Seraphin having foul problems, how many rookie bigs don't have foul problems?

"As a child, his parents initially did not want him to join a sports school, which is designed for children who are predicted to be future stars.[5] However, after a sports school basketball coach noticed Yi playing streetball, he persuaded Yi's family to allow Yi to train professionally.[5]"

From Yi: On first playing basketball
"I started in first grade because I was so tall. I wasn't very good, but I loved it and didn't play other sports. After grade school the government put me in a sports school."

I guess that blows your whole playground instinct theory on Yi. If he sucks, it's just because he sucks. Not because he didn't play enough hoops as a child.

Posted by: ts35 | August 12, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"When either guy pulls a real boneheaded move, they've been pulled from the game. That's the way it should be."

Unless you are AJ, Caron, Gil, or Mike Miller last season. That's what bothered me, the appearance (outside looking in) that Flip would eat glass before criticizing anybody over age 25.

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I think Yi's sucktitude relates directly to being in China rather than Europe or USA or S.America. He barely had any competition, probably spent most of his life dunking on and thrashing physically inferior opponents. May not have faced a 7footer in a real game until he got to the nba. Ridiculous jump in talent he faced coming to the nba, let alone all the linguistic/cultural hurdles. Not surprising things havent panned out for him yet.


Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing that says Nick should outperform Gil or Hinrich. He hasn't shown ANY ability to do that.

And I don't see why Seraphin can't push McGee. They're both all athleticism. Just one of them isn't a SG stuck in a 7'1" body.

I can remember Flip calling them out more than once. Even sitting them ALL down.

This board is so unrealistic. Blatche has his best season EVER...but none gets credited to Flip or even Tapscott (who is still around) I'm sure if McGee has a good season it will be because of Coach K.ii

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 12, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

as far as people supposedly clamoring for Mcgee to be force fed minutes, I think you may be forgetting that was in relation to Oberto being on the floor.

Posted by: divi3

But don't you think McGee should at least be guaranteed *some* minutes every night? Or are you ok with some DNP-CDs this season?

Posted by: ts35 | August 12, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Yi's "suckitude" is for the same reason of Nick Young's. They're young. He's been in the league 3 years...he isn't even fully developed yet.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Yi-Jianlian-44/

Sounds like your favorite SG to me.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 12, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Not saying Yi is due for a breakout or anything close to it, but just to keep it in perspective, he's a player who put up decent numbers (12 and 7), but inconsistent play in his third season in the league. He has a lot of natural tools, but not a lot of refined skills. Stop me when this sounds at all familiar.

Posted by: ts35 | August 12, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Yi is probably the worst defender in the entire league, really dont see where he compares to Nick Young.

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"There is nothing that says Nick should outperform Gil or Hinrich. He hasn't shown ANY ability to do that."

Hinrich cant score and Gil cant defend, Young can do both and is a bigger, better athlete than either of them.

NY is a legit 2guard, gil-hinrich are tweeners. But EG says Kirk can play the 3spot, so what do I know

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"This board is so unrealistic."

So it's realistic to think a 6'9" C who averaged 5rebs in the French league will step into the NBA looking like he should get 20-25mins a night?

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich cant score and Gil cant defend, Young can do both

The question (as always) is will he? It certainly hasn't been high on his to-do list in the past.

Posted by: ts35 | August 12, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"Internationally, it was changed to accomodate the world, but not the U.S.
Posted by: G-Man11"

A common misconception. FIBA would be happy for the US to employ the same rule structure as the rest of the world; it's the US that doesn't want to. In fact, most of the flexibility has been on FIBA's side; for instance, they're allowing use of the 16' NBA-style rectangular lane in higher-level international contests beginning later this year.

As far as playground basketball (I presume you mean city playgrounds, since b-ball was originally known as 'the city game'), how do you explain all those really tough players who grew up in rural parts of the states? Or in villages in places like Lithuania?

IMO playground basketball is just a style of basketball. It's better in some respects, worse in others.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 12, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The question (as always) is will he? It certainly hasn't been high on his to-do list in the past.

Posted by: ts35 | August 12, 2010 4:51 PM

contract year, single greatest coach in all of sport it would seem

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

If you believe in guaranteed minutes for developing players, you believe in guaranteed minutes for developing players. Can't just be the ones you happen to like.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 12, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

If you believe in guaranteed minutes for developing players, you believe in guaranteed minutes for developing players. Can't just be the ones you happen to like.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 12, 2010 5:09 PM

Are you talking to me? I've said all those DNP-CD border on retardation as far as Mcgee's development was concerned, never that he should have been guaranteed minutes.

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Hinrich cant score and Gil cant defend, Young can do both and is a bigger, better athlete than either of them.

NY is a legit 2guard, gil-hinrich are tweeners. But EG says Kirk can play the 3spot, so what do I know."

Coulda, Shoulda, Maybe, Perhaps....NY has never proven he is a better basketball player than either Hinrich or GA. Who cares if he is a "bigger/better athlete" if the results are not there??? And, since they are not, I would argue he is not a better "athlete." Hell, JM might be the best "athlete" in the NBA, but thus far that has not amounted to much.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 12, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"Coulda, Shoulda, Maybe, Perhaps....NY has never proven he is a better basketball player than either Hinrich or GA"

As a SHOOTING GUARD, hinrich's point production last year was just about the worst in the league. And we all know whomever Gil guards is going to score 25 or more. Obviously KH gets assists at SG, but I am talking more the traditional role.

At SG I'd like to see someone who can scores in droves AND lockdown on perimeter D, that's your prototypical SG in the nba today and NY is in that mold (yes, unfulfilled) while Gil/KH are not.

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

So it's realistic to think a 6'9" C who averaged 5rebs in the French league will step into the NBA looking like he should get 20-25mins a night?

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

When your competition at C is Hilton Armstrong and JaVale McGee. Why can't he?


Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 12, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

As a SHOOTING GUARD, hinrich's point production last year was just about the worst in the league. And we all know whomever Gil guards is going to score 25 or more. Obviously KH gets assists at SG, but I am talking more the traditional role.

At SG I'd like to see someone who can scores in droves AND lockdown on perimeter D, that's your prototypical SG in the nba today and NY is in that mold (yes, unfulfilled) while Gil/KH are not.

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Nick scores in droves once or twice a week. And for the most part if he misses his first two shots...he's COMPLETELY worthless. And when did Nick EVER deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as lockdown on the perimeter? Where is this coming from? He still doesn't get through screens and that's as basic as it comes.

Hinrich played on one of the worst scoring TEAMS in the league...I'm sure that has nothing to do with it though...and he's a better shooter stat-wise than Nick.

He hasn't shown ANYTHING in 3 years...but you're convinced he's starter quality and he's shown less than Yi.

That's sad.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 12, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Show me another SG who plays 32mins+ like Hinrich and cant score 11/night, oh wait, he's the only one in the league.

Gil was tagged as the single worst defender at his position in the nba I believe, by Hollinger maybe.

I would say sad is watching 5mins of highlights of Seraphin and surmising he's as good as Mcgee. To each their own.

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich's role isn't to score. There are a lot of starting SG's that don't average 11/game. Hinrich isn't even a SG, he's a PG who played SG because they got Derrick Rose. He barely shot the ball...maybe 10 times a game. Chicago didn't score well. What does that have to do with anything?

I bet Kirk can remember the plays though.

Never said Seraphin was as good, I said he probably isn't too far behind. Considering Seraphin/McGee is more a testament to what JaVale CAN'T do right now. Both of their games consist of run and jump. JaVale can't hold position and isn't physical at all. I guarantee you Seraphin can do that better already. You act like JaVale is a top 20 C in the league that Seraphin has to catch up to.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 12, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"Are you talking to me?" posted by divi3

Travis Bickle?

Posted by: Samson151 | August 12, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

About Hinrich: when you play alongside a guy who takes 1,373 shots, you're probably not expected to crank up many of your own.

And if he's among the worst 3 point shooters in the NBA (22% his first year, 26.7% the second), you'll probably be encouraged to shoot from outside.

And play defense on the other team's scoring guard.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 12, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"Hinrich isn't even a SG, he's a PG who played SG because they got Derrick Rose."

Funny, that's exactly my point. He isnt a SG, so I'd rather he didnt play SG. Is that really so odd?

"About Hinrich: when you play alongside a guy who takes 1,373 shots, you're probably not expected to crank up many of your own."

It can be spun anyway ya like, but there isnt a single big minute SG in the entire league who was scoring less than Hinrich. And it wasnt even close....I'm just saying I'd prefer an actual SG at the SG position rather than Gil/KH tweening the spot. Hardly revolutionary stuff

Posted by: divi3 | August 12, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer an actual SG at the SG position rather than Gil/KH tweening the spot. Hardly revolutionary stuff
Posted by: divi3

Not at all. Perhaps if Nick had put in the effort to make himself a complete SG, they wouldn't have traded for Hinrich.

Meanwhile, you're saying Hinrich can't score from the 2 because he hasn't, while saying Young can play D even though he hasn't. And even though Hinrich's and Young's points per shot attempt are pretty much the same.

Posted by: ts35 | August 13, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

"It can be spun anyway ya like..."

Spun? That's not spin. That's a fact.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 13, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

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