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John Wall looks impressive in evening scrimmages

The block. That improbable, who-was-that, where-did-he-come-from block that John Wall had on Al Thornton was the lasting image from the Wizards' scrimmages on Wednesday night. Thornton got the ball at the basket and didn't have anyone in front of him as he elevated for a two-handed slam -- until Wall swooped in, seemingly from the rafters, to knock the ball from a stunned Thornton's hands.


I like winning. (Photo by Jonathan Newton/The Washington Post)

By that time, Wall had already established himself as the best player on the floor -- at least during the 30 minutes of practice that reporters were allowed to witness -- as he ran the floor, and his teams, with determination and an uncompromising desire to win. Wall's speed was off the charts, but his motor didn't ever seem to let up as he attacked the basket, found the open man for dunks or jump shots, and sneaked inside for surprising blocked shots.

Kirk Hinrich, Hilton Armstrong and Lester Hudson also had impressive debuts. But the most interesting and dramatic part of the evening came when Wall's red team (featuring Hudson, JaVale McGee, Cartier Martin and Trevor Booker) played against Arenas's white team (featuring Armstrong, Adam Morrison, Kevin Palmer and Hamady Ndiaye). It was the current face of the team against its former face in a six-minute battle and the results were quite entertaining.

The red team took an early 6-0 lead, with Morrison hitting Ndiaye for an alley-oop dunk, Arenas blowing past Wall for an easy layup and Palmer knocking down a long jumper. But the red team quickly bounced back behind Wall, who pushed the ball up the court and got floored by Armstrong. As Wall hit the ground, some of the season ticket holders in attendance let out a collective gasp, but Wall hopped up and made both free throws.

Arenas responded with a nifty runner off the glass, but Wall scored or assisted on the next three baskets, finding Lester Hudson for a jumper, pulling up over the 6-foot-11 Armstrong and making an over-the-shoulder pass to Martin for a jumper that tied the score at 8. Wall would give his team a 14-10 lead when he was fouled making a left-handed layup and made a free throw. Hudson had a wicked crossover to push the lead to six, before Arenas made a solid, veteran move.

With Wall pressuring him above the three-point arc, Arenas extended his elbow to push back the startled youngster, then stepped back to drain a long shot over him to put the score at 16-13. Wall tried to counter Arenas but was called for an offensive foul after trying to create separation with Arenas for a shot.

But it didn't affect the final outcome. Wall's team scored the final seven points of the game to win easily, with Wall assisting Booker with a ridiculous, full-court bounce pass on the final basket. In the final scrimmage of the night, Wall led his next team (which featured Hinrich, Yi Jianlian, Nick Young, and McGee) to an easy 16-7 victory over another team with Thornton, Hudson, Morrison, Booker and Armstrong. Wall connected with McGee for two dunks and hit the final shot as time expired. But in addition to swatting Thornton's dunk, Wall also caught up to Hudson to reject his layup attempt.

"He can do a lot different things," Coach Flip Saunders said of Wall. "He can do a lot of things that can have an outcome on the game, offensively and defensively. I've been impressed with his ability to play hard, his leadership ability and there is no question that he's a gamer. He loves to get involved in game-type situations."

The Wizards had a brief scare late in the game with Arenas and Wall. Arenas was trying to get around Wall and collided with Armstrong. He stumbled back, then looked over after at the bench and shouted, "Nick, get up." Young replaced Arenas for the final minute of the game.

Arenas went back to the training room, but fortunately, it wasn't anything more than a tweaked left ankle. Arenas returned but didn't participate in the final layup drill, in which players had to run end-to-end, pass the ball, catch it, and score without the ball touching the floor. Arenas stood near the foul line to catch passes and feed the ball to the players. Wall blazed through the drill, finishing one pass with an emphatic dunk.

And, Arenas seemed to be okay a little later. He took jumpers from the top of the key, about 35 feet away, and easily made eight of his first 10 shots.

Also, Sean Marks developed a hamstring injury early in practice and had to sit out the scrimmages.

By Michael Lee  | September 29, 2010; 10:16 PM ET
Categories:  Gilbert Arenas, John Wall, training camp/preseason  
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Hooray Beer!! :)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 29, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I got a Woodie reading that.

Posted by: zxhoya | September 29, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Way too much info, zxhoya.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 30, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Lee - You forgot to report how Arenas seemed to be handling the fact that he's no longer "the man" and that John Wall is.

So how did Arenas seem to take to Wall? Did he try to ignore the new king in town or did he try to take him under his wings?

Me thinks it was the former.

Posted by: DaleGribble | September 30, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Way too much info, zxhoya.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Yes, my apologies. :)

Posted by: zxhoya | September 30, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

"Mr. Lee - You forgot to report how Arenas seemed to be handling the fact that he's no longer "the man" and that John Wall is.

So how did Arenas seem to take to Wall? Did he try to ignore the new king in town or did he try to take him under his wings?

Me thinks it was the former."

Posted by: DaleGribble


Me thinks you'd be wrong. Me thinks your wishing for the worst out of Arenas. Me thinks you ought to get a life, what do you think about that?

Posted by: zxhoya | September 30, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Me thinks you'd be wrong. Me thinks your wishing for the worst out of Arenas. Me thinks you ought to get a life, what do you think about that?

Posted by: zxhoya


Exactly. Haters...

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | September 30, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone say "By far the best backcourt in the NBA"? Thats going to be so fun to watch all year

Posted by: dlts2041 | September 30, 2010 2:56 AM | Report abuse

The red team took an early 6-0 lead

Posted by: arenasmvp | September 30, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

The red team took an early 6-0 lead ... should be WHITE team took an early 6-0 read

Posted by: arenasmvp | September 30, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

should be WHITE team took an early 6-0 read...should be white team took an early 6-0 LEAD.
See how annoying that is. You don't have to point out every typo/mistake.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | September 30, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Wall's brilliance could do a lot to mask the deficiencies in guys like JM and Yi. Flip can field the longest, most athletic team in the entire league at times (i think) if he wants too:

Potentially a very fun season!

Posted by: divi3 | September 30, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

dlts2041,

If LeBron plays the point with DWade next to him, I'd have to give us the 2nd best backcourt combo in the game. But I'm with you. These guys are gonna be fun to watch.

I'm not looking forward to watching us defensively down low, though. Unless Wall comes 'swooping in' for 8 or 9 blocks a game, we're still probably gonna take some abuse in the paint.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Gil make the haters eat their words.

Or should I say '80 ate' their words?

Posted by: original_mark | September 30, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

"Players Who Stood Out:

JaVale McGee - McGee not only had two wicked alley-oops thrown to him by Wall, but was actively involved defensively all night. It is early days yet, but it has to be encouraging to Wizards fans to see McGee willing to mix it up down low."

Posted by: divi3 | September 30, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Players Who Disappeared

* Yi Jianlian - This is probably unfair to Yi, as he was making a real defensive effort tonight. He mixed it up down low, and only rarely lost position against the other Wizards bigs. However, the isolation play that we saw Yi flash at the Worlds this summer was not on display tonight. Yi was content to spot up from 15 feet, and his shot was extremely flat, something that Flip noted after the game. However, Flip also noted that Yi is still recovering from injury and that some rust should be expected.
* Kevin Seraphin - We all may need to take a deep breath about Seraphin. He has all the tools to be a very good NBA player, but he is extremely raw. He had trouble staying within the flow of the game during scrimmage and was often out of position. However the energy and the physicality are there, so it wouldn't completely surprise me if growth progressed quicker than anticipated.
* Adam Morrison - I don't want to say any player was bad since it is only the second day of training camp, but Morrison did not look good tonight. He looked much slower than the other players on the court, was stripped several times, and his shot wasn't falling. He very much looked like a player who was invited to to serve as a warm body during training camp rather than one competing for a roster spot. Hopefully, Morrison will turn it on the next few days of camp and preseason, but as it stands, I don't think he has the athleticism or skill set to earn a roster spot.

Posted by: divi3 | September 30, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

There is no doubt that Wall/Arenas will be great offensively. My fear: Wall won't be as effective in the NBA defensively. And we know what Gil does defensively: NADA.
We might lose a lot of games 123-112. this year.

Posted by: swinging4thefence | September 30, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

original_mark, I think Lebron & Wade will both play some point but for the most part I think they will always be the 2 and the 3 but will have the ball in there hands a ton

Posted by: dlts2041 | September 30, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

divi3, thats good stuff. Were you there or did you get that from another site? I think this may be one of those camps where some guys are up & down or atleast shine on more days than others.

I think the talk of playing some of the 3 is making Yi go outside more again. Also, I think Flip is still running alot of that original Offense that I hate and maybe its like Dray was saying last year in that if he doesnt go outside then he never gets the rock. Maybe thats whats happening to Yi.

As for the young guys like Seraphin, Booker, and so on, Im not really counting on them at all. Anything they give us is icing on the cake to me. With that being said, I wouldnt be shocked if Seraphin played alot better than some think only due to the fact that he doesnt have to be great Offensively or anything. All we really need from him is to be physical, play hard D, and rebound like a beast. I think you can be somewhat raw and still do those things but its a long shot probably.

As for Ammo, Ive actually been fooled into thinking that he may show some promise of his College days and could be great, atleast Offensively by getting open looks with guys like Wall, Gil, & Dray on the floor. Hopefully he steps it up but if not, then we should be fine with Al & NY, espically when Howard gets healthy

Posted by: dlts2041 | September 30, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"Kevin Seraphin - We all may need to take a deep breath about Seraphin. He has all the tools to be a very good NBA player, but he is extremely raw. He had trouble staying within the flow of the game during scrimmage and was often out of position. However the energy and the physicality are there, so it wouldn't completely surprise me if growth progressed quicker than anticipated......"
Posted by: divi3 | September 30, 2010 8:05 AM

Gee WIZ!!!.. energy and physicality...maybe we can start a rugby team? that way he gets to play something... he showed to be soooo far below NBA level and to be another shi**y draft selection by Grunfeld and Co.
In Grunfeld We Trust... Not.

Posted by: jiji1 | September 30, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

jiji1, I totally disagree. This guy has a body like a monster and he's just what we need. Its not like we had a lottery pick. I think we were willing to get someone that we could wait on, espically after us getting Wall. Fans just have to be patient with things like this. Just because he's raw now doesnt mean he wont be a monster to deal with in 2-3 years. Im much more worried about the Booker pick than Seraphin. No one has said one great thing about Booker since weve got him. I think he may be better in a regular team setting but thats just me hoping

Posted by: dlts2041 | September 30, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I got a Woodie reading that.

Posted by: zxhoya | September 29, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Way too much info, zxhoya.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 30, 2010 12:34 AM

LMAO!

This kid is the complete package and might be more of a young D-Wade than D-Rose, imo, given his willingness and desire to sneak in the paint to reject shots. He'll ride the rookie rollercoaster, but in the long run he'll be outstanding.

Posted by: and_1 | September 30, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"Players Who Stood Out":

JaVale McGee - McGee not only had two wicked alley-oops thrown to him by Wall, but was actively involved defensively all night. It is early days yet, but it has to be encouraging to Wizards fans to see McGee willing to mix it up down low.


Players Who Disappeared

* Yi Jianlian - This is probably unfair to Yi, as he was making a real defensive effort tonight. He mixed it up down low, and only rarely lost position against the other Wizards bigs. However, the isolation play that we saw Yi flash at the Worlds this summer was not on display tonight. Yi was content to spot up from 15 feet, and his shot was extremely flat, something that Flip noted after the game. However, Flip also noted that Yi is still recovering from injury and that some rust should be expected.
* Kevin Seraphin - We all may need to take a deep breath about Seraphin. He has all the tools to be a very good NBA player, but he is extremely raw. He had trouble staying within the flow of the game during scrimmage and was often out of position. However the energy and the physicality are there, so it wouldn't completely surprise me if growth progressed quicker than anticipated.
* Adam Morrison - I don't want to say any player was bad since it is only the second day of training camp, but Morrison did not look good tonight. He looked much slower than the other players on the court, was stripped several times, and his shot wasn't falling. He very much looked like a player who was invited to to serve as a warm body during training camp rather than one competing for a roster spot. Hopefully, Morrison will turn it on the next few days of camp and preseason, but as it stands, I don't think he has the athleticism or skill set to earn a roster spot

Posted by: dlts2041 | September 30, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

sorry about that last post, it was a screw up. In fairness to Gil, everyone who was there said that Gil had a scrub team compared to Wall's so the win is pretty much not in doubt when you see the names of the team.

Posted by: dlts2041 | September 30, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

dlts, I share your aprehension about Booker even though I was really excited when they drafted him. My concern is that they passed on a better player, specifically Pondexter, who I thought looked really impressive in summer league. I will say this, Booker's jump shot is much better than I thought. That shows me a couple of things: he works hard on his game, and that his game will evolve into a more diversified attack. But before that happens, he has to have an impact on the glass on both ends of the floor, and I didn't see much of that during the summer league.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | September 30, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: and_1 | September 30, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Someone else who was there said this:

So I just got home after attending the Wizards practice tonight and here is some opinions on players I have gathered.

Gilbert Arenas – Looks exactly how I remember him. Seemed to be making alot of emphasis on taking the ball to the rim and attacking. He was giving John Wall tips left and right and Wall was definetly seeking Gil out. They stuck Gil with the Q list players tonight lol the only guy he was playing with that will make the team is Hilton Armstrong lol I didn’t like that they had him playing PG all night since he is supposed to be playing the 2 now. I thought Lester Hudson should have been on the same team as Gil so he could play the point. Gil shot about 20 shots from the center court logo and made about 75% of them at the end of practice.

Javale Mcgee – had a few nice oops from Wall of the 1 handed and 2 handed variety lol Mcgee was still taking bad shots and getting yelled at by flip.

Yi – has a really soft touch and a nice stroke. Went up for alot of rebounds but seems to buckle under the contact of the likes of Trevor Booker and such. Received a pass in transition, tried to make a dribble move while changing direction in an attempt to get to the bucket, lost control of the ball out of bounds and emphasized the downfall of him playing SF.

Trevor Booker – can’t go to his right. Made a crazy fade away 3 pointer off the backboard at the buzzer in a end of game drill lol Showed great tenacity going after rebounds and diving on the floor for loose balls. Seems to be the new “funny guy” on the team lol

John Wall – seems like he has been working on his mid range game(still needs more work) still makes a mistake for every highlight play he makes. Looks even faster in person than on TV. Seems to want to challenge Gil on both ends of the court whenever possible. I feel like he looks up to Gil and see’s it as an opportunity to use Gil as a measuring stick to wear his game is.

Kirk Hinrich – Hands down the BEST TEAM PLAYER on the team. Always helping to coach other players on the court and during down time. Seems to have a great up beat attitude. The best defender at the guard position we’ve had since I can remember. Knocked away or stole the numerous times on the dribble and pass from Wall and Arenas. Great drive and kick PG.

Andray Blatche – Totally happy and surprised to have seen him participate in a few drills, very unexpected. Looks like he will be ready at the start of season baring injury. Seems to be Gils best friend on the team these days.

Posted by: dlts2041 | September 30, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Josh Howard – wasn’t just chillin’ on the stationary bike lol the trainers were adjusting the settings periodically and throwing the medicine ball back and forth with him too.

Al Thorton – seems to be winded and out of shape, very disapointing. When putting forth effort he looked very strong taking it to the hole but I deffinetly saw him getting yelled at to run back once or twice by the coaches.( in all fairness this was the second practice of the day, but if other players aren’t tired………..)

H – will not make this team. Hustles his butt off every play, dives on the floor, goes after every ball, runs as fast as he can in transition and on every drill. Moves extremely well for a 7 footer. Looks lost on the court, gets pushed around alot, and has horrible hands. I question his value as merely a training camp pawn. If Hilton Armstrong yells at you repeatedly and grabs you and/or pushes and throws you into what spot you need to be on the court……………………….you might not be NBA ready lol

Hilton Armstrong – He really gets after it, I was quite surprised. He looks much thicker than he did in NO. He is pretty strong and muscular. Fights hard for rebounds on both ends and can finish with both hands at the basket. Showed alot of intensity on the court.

Adam Morrison – can’t remember watching anyone look more unathletic running on a basketball court lol He moves like the really nerdy kid that got picked last for kickball in PE, you know the one that always kicked the slow dribbler directly back to the pitcher lol Has a nice shot and is actually a good passer, understands basketball offense and thats about it lol

Nick Young – scored alot of unconventional buckets, seems like the same old story.

Lester Hudson – needs to make this team. He was on fire knocking down shots from all over the place today. Fearless.

Cartier Martin – got schooled by Nick Young on a few plays and outmuscled as well. It’s amazing how small he looked next to young. He almost looked like Antonio Daniels. I never realized how long Nick was.

Posted by: dlts2041 | September 30, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"Looks lost on the court, gets pushed around alot, and has horrible hands. I question his value as merely a training camp pawn. If Hilton Armstrong yells at you repeatedly and grabs you and/or pushes and throws you into what spot you need to be on the court……………………….you might not be NBA ready lol"

That's precisely why Hamady needs to be in the D-League or overseas. Maybe Ernie will pay some team in Europe or Asia to take him off our hands for a year. Not sure anything can be done about his bad hands though. ;-)

Posted by: and_1 | September 30, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm still pulling for Hudson to make the team. I'm really hoping that he sticks.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | September 30, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlts2041
"this guy has a body like a monster...."
get a clue... he is the new Pecherov. Draft bust.. back to Europe soo soon.

Posted by: jiji1 | September 30, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

so the D-Leageu is adopting international goaltending rules......no sir, i don't like it.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 30, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I think this will be an intersting battle for the 5 spot. And since scoring from that spot will be secondary, I predict Hilton will probably get the starting nod over McGee.

But again this will be very interesting to see how this battle develops. McGee is so athletic and can jump out the gym, but I think he has a ways to go before he is ready to start.

Posted by: kevenjones | September 30, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse


Javale Mcgee – had a few nice oops from Wall of the 1 handed and 2 handed variety lol Mcgee was still taking bad shots and getting yelled at by flip.

Posted by: dlts2041 | September 30, 2010 9:44 AM

What's with this kid? Why is his basketball IQ so low given his basketball family?

Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii | September 30, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I think McGee will definitely win the 5 spot, atleast to start the year for a a number of reasons. 1 is he has great chemistry with Wall. Another is his upside. If HA plays like a vet then Im sure Flip feels like he maybe could count on him more in the 2nd unit then he could McGee. No doubt though, HA sounds like a Flip type guy so McGee better not slip up

Posted by: dlts2041 | September 30, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Just summer league and a couple practices....but sounds like Lester Hudson is a better shooter than KH and of course a better defender than Gil. That's gotta be a guy the team can use at some point. KH is on a 2yr deal and they secretly want to trade Gil, so who knows, maybe he makes the team. NY is better than Morrison/CMartin so dont be afraid to keep another guard if he's the better player.

Team isnt expected to do anything, dont worry so much with filling holes as keeping talent

Posted by: divi3 | September 30, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

It's good to hear that Hilton Armstrong looked good in early scrimages. Mixing it up on the boards is what we need from a center.

If the guy plays better D and hits the defensive boards he's going to push McGee for minutes. After his nomad season last year I wondered if he'd come here and be any factor at all. If he is, it makes the center situation look not quite so thin. The Wiz really need a guy to push McGee.

Funny how different perceptions are. I didn't make it to the Midnight madness, but people I talked to said Thorton looked in really great condition. Then it sounded like he was getting winded last night from dits point of view.

It will be interesting to see if he just needs a couple of days to get his game legs under him.

Doesn't sound like Morrison has impressed anybody yet. If Nick Young works at it he could end up becoming the 3 point shooter off the bench for this team.

Dits, who was greener? N'Diaye or Seraphin. I'd kind of expext that Seraphin would be the greenest looking guy out there based on his experience.

As an old Washington Redskins Coach used to say,"We'll just have to coach them up a little bit."

Bet Larry Brown wishes AI would have been just half as excited about practice as zxhoya does...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | September 30, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Just summer league and a couple practices....but sounds like Lester Hudson is a better shooter than KH and of course a better defender than Gil. That's gotta be a guy the team can use at some point. KH is on a 2yr deal and they secretly want to trade Gil, so who knows, maybe he makes the team. NY is better than Morrison/CMartin so dont be afraid to keep another guard if he's the better player.

Team isnt expected to do anything, dont worry so much with filling holes as keeping talent

Posted by: divi3 | September 30, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Don't understand where that random observation came from about the shooting of Hudson vs. Hinrich...but whatever.

They should keep at least 5 guards so Wall, Gil, Hinrich, Young and Hudson...I'd be satisfied with that. Only knock is that that Hudson is another 6'3" guy...so Young would be the only one with real size.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | September 30, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"Doesn't sound like Morrison has impressed anybody yet. If Nick Young works at it he could end up becoming the 3 point shooter off the bench for this team."

Did you catch AM on comcast last night? On a scale of 1 to 10, he described his own nba career as a "1." Makes you feel bad for the guy and he seems sullen, but he also looks like working on his body hasnt been a priority so that's that. It's not 1975 anymore

Posted by: divi3 | September 30, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

so the D-Leageu is adopting international goaltending rules......no sir, i don't like it.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 30, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Martin, Marks, and Hudson could all make the team if they are able to free Ndiaye's spot and are going to into the season with a full 15.

However, if they keep Ndiaye and also want to have an open spot for a FA veteran, then who gets the nod of the three.

Cartier Martin, Sean Marks, or Lester Hudson?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 30, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 30, 2010 11:32 AM"

Martin stays on the team until Howard is ready to go, imo. Thornton is injury-prone, Yi is really a 4 and Young is a natural 2.

Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii | September 30, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Wall and Gill will be one of the top backcourts in the League if not the best.

That being highly evident, that means that they are outplaying there competition. So why are folks still worrying about how they play defense???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 30, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

so the D-Leageu is adopting international goaltending rules......no sir, i don't like it.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 30, 2010 11:31 AM

I'm assuming it's to help Dleaguers get jobs overseas and not as a prelude to changing the rule in the L

Posted by: divi3 | September 30, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Divi3,

It may be deduced that they may want to secretly trade Gill, but at what cost.

Lets say Wall turns out to be star studded NBA talent. The goal I think still is to win a Ring. Wall will not be able to a Ring without star studded help.

If Gibert pans out, that is two star studded NBA talents.

Why would you want to trade away one of them and lessen your chances of winning a Ring.

A good supporting cast will only take you as far as your stars can. So what star will the Wiz's who want to secretly trade Gilbert get for him???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 30, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

They should keep at least 5 guards so Wall, Gil, Hinrich, Young and Hudson...I'd be satisfied with that. Only knock is that that Hudson is another 6'3" guy...so Young would be the only one with real size.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | September 30, 2010 11:11 AM

Is there any shot that Young could surprise us and actually nail down the three slot?

The more I look at the team now, if he could really be an asset at the three, it solve depth issues and immediate concerns at that position.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 30, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Larry

I've been saying that for weeks. Wade, Bosh, and LeBron realized you need help. Carmelo, CP3, are scheming.

We are banking on Wall panning out, Arenas regaining form, and Blatche achieving consistency and reaching a high level. The point is we got potential stars already. People wanting to get rid of Arenas for a bag of chips is going in the wrong direction.

Their "hate" of Gil is greater than their love of the Wizards.

Now if you can get something legitimate for Gil is a different story, but don't just wish for cap-space. That won't cut it.

Posted by: G-Man11 | September 30, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Josh Howard – wasn’t just chillin’ on the stationary bike lol the trainers were adjusting the settings periodically and throwing the medicine ball back and forth with him too.

What a great gig, a 30 y/o injured SF getting paid 3-4 million dollars to rehab with the Wizards for possibly 3-4 months of part-time work. You show what you got AFTER the rehab then MAYBE you get a contract offer for the vet minimum for the remainder of the season. That's what a sane GM would have done.

Posted by: closg | September 30, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

closg, sounds like you've got a really good feel for valuing free agents.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | September 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse


closg, why wait until Howard's completely healthy and risk losing him to another team that is willing to pay him more money? No way a completely healed Howard signs with the Wizards for the veteran's minimum.

Posted by: bobabuie | September 30, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse


Howard's contract is incentive-laden too. If he misses a lot of time, he doesn't maximize the value of the contract. No brainer for the Wiz.

Posted by: bobabuie | September 30, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Wall and Gill will be one of the top backcourts in the League if not the best.

That being highly evident, that means that they are outplaying there competition. So why are folks still worrying about how they play defense???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Because basketball is played at both ends? Because teams that just look to outscore their opponents on offense only go so far? Because players who are truly the best strive to be the best at everything?

Why shouldn't we care about their defense? Just thinking that being great on offense will be enough is pretty much exactly how we ended up where we are right now

Posted by: ts35 | September 30, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The reason the Wizards ended up where they were is because they had no interior threats. Not one!

Posted by: G-Man11 | September 30, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

closg, why wait until Howard's completely healthy and risk losing him to another team that is willing to pay him more money? No way a completely healed Howard signs with the Wizards for the veteran's minimum.

Howard's contract is incentive-laden too. If he misses a lot of time, he doesn't maximize the value of the contract. No brainer for the Wiz.
Posted by: bobabuie | September 30, 2010

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I think it's pissing-away money and a roster spot basically. Josh Howard is an oft-injured 30 y/o SF who is coming-off surgery. Keep your options open and let Howard prove that he is fully-recovered 1st before making an offer, we will have to anyway next year. I would have prefered that they drafted an SF with one of their picks. Howard makes 3$ before he even has to prove he is healthy.

Posted by: closg | September 30, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse


Keep your options open and let Howard prove that he is fully-recovered 1st before making an offer, we will have to anyway next year. I would have prefered that they drafted an SF with one of their picks. Howard makes 3$ before he even has to prove he is healthy.

Posted by: closg | September 30, 2010 3:09 PM

Keep their options for what and how do you know that his base salary (pre-incentives) is $3M? Howard is expected to be ready sometime in December. That's hardly pissing away a roster spot. Again, if Howard would have been made to show he was fully recovered before being signed, at a minimum, he'd have several teams in the running and certainly would not have signed with the Wiz for the vets minimum you alluded to.

Posted by: bobabuie | September 30, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

closg, why wait until Howard's completely healthy and risk losing him to another team that is willing to pay him more money? No way a completely healed Howard signs with the Wizards for the veteran's minimum.

Howard's contract is incentive-laden too. If he misses a lot of time, he doesn't maximize the value of the contract. No brainer for the Wiz.
Posted by: bobabuie | September 30, 2010
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I think it's pissing-away money and a roster spot basically. Josh Howard is an oft-injured 30 y/o SF who is coming-off surgery. Keep your options open and let Howard prove that he is fully-recovered 1st before making an offer, we will have to anyway next year. I would have prefered that they drafted an SF with one of their picks. Howard makes 3$ before he even has to prove he is healthy.

Posted by: closg | September 30, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse
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You must have some special connections because the actual terms of his contract were not disclose, so I find it amazing that you know his base contract is $3 million. It's not like he wasn't getting looked at from other teams. The Celtics and a few other teams were trying to talk to him, so he could have ended up signing some where else if they waited. I do agree that I wished they drafted a SF but that is over now. MOVE ON!!! This was the best option for this team at this time. Why are we still complaining about something that happened like 2 months ago. Are you are fan or are you a critic? If he plays poorly or doesn't play at all then you have a right to be upset, but we don't know how good or bad this signing really is. Some of the people on here make me sick. Just constantly complaining about this team, and never really being supportive. I don't like some of the moves too, but a lot of you sound like a bunch crabby losers who have nothing better to do than to complain about something.

Posted by: meatkins | September 30, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Howard will no doubt be looking to make up for a nearly $8 million loss (two league sources said
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/07/josh-howard-deal-a-steal.html

This Comment section is for posting your comments, feel free to stop reading them if you are intolerant of people who don't agree with you.

Posted by: closg | September 30, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

(two league sources said the base of the contract is closer to $3 million, with performance-based incentives adding an additional $750,000 or so)

Oops, got cut-off. There was some discussion of Howard in another thread.

Posted by: closg | September 30, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Personally I do not care whose team it is. Whose team this is should not even be a "conversation piece." I will guarantee you this- in a given game when the Wizards are in a bit of a struggle against a team displaying "shut down" defense (especially in the forth quarter), the players and the coaching staff will look to Arenas to bail them out. Lastly, but not leastly, it is one thing to be handed the "my team" honor, and another thing to earn it...

Posted by: esmith4 | September 30, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert,

I Love you man; don't hide behind the beard.

Get a shave & a hair-cut and cook them punks!
Make em' eat crow. You are an All-Star, nobody can check you and I am 47 years old and you are my hero. Do it Brother, just do it.

Chef John

Posted by: upscalechef | October 2, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Just got back from the final practice and the Wiz have some of the most athletic 7fters in the league. The bad side is they don't have anyone to teach them how to play. How said. How difficult is it for a pro team to hire a real big man coach. You have sorry Unseld Jr and mouth o mighty Cassell neitherknow how to coach a PF or C. Wiz are wasting talent again because Flip is clueless with his supposedly 1000pg playbook.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | October 3, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

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