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Al Thornton to become a restricted free agent

Al Thornton will definitely be a restricted free agent after this season. Billy Duffy, Thorton's agent, said on Tuesday that his client would not sign an extension by next Monday's deadline.


Yeah, I'm not getting an extension. But you knew that already. (Getty Images)

"I think Al's about to go to a whole other level and I think the way he's perceived right now, I think there is going to be an ability to enhance his reputation around the league and within that organization," Duffy said in a telephone interview on Tuesday. "I don't think he's had enough time there to really demonstrate what his new value will be moving forward. I think he has a huge upside and will have a huge role on that team."

Duffy added, "It's worth our while to wait."

According to a league source with knowledge of the situation, the Wizards were never interested in engaging in negotiations for extensions for any of their fourth-year players and intent on letting Thornton, Nick Young and Yi Jianlian become restricted free agents next summer. The representatives for Yi and Young did not pursue extensions for their clients, either.

The news isn't surprising since none of the players has established a solid identity within the league and the Wizards' youth movement providing opportunities for the players to possibly breakout.

Thornton was acquired from the Los Angeles Clippers at the trade deadline last February and averaged 10.7 points in 24 games with the Wizards last season. He is expected to start the season at small forward on Thursday if Gilbert Arenas (sore right ankle) is unable to play.

Thornton was the favorite to open the season at small forward with Josh Howard a few weeks away from returning from knee surgery. But Coach Flip Saunders went with a three-guard lineup in the first three games and Thornton suffered a sprained left ankle that forced him to miss two games. He averaged just seven points in five games this preseason.

By Michael Lee  | October 26, 2010; 4:54 PM ET
 
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Well, it would be kind of hard for him to sign an extension if the Wiz never offered him one, wouldn't it?

Nick Young is gonzo after this season (if not before). Wouldn't be surprised to see him playing overseas next season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 26, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Josh Howard is a few weeks now from coming back?

Posted by: mrhney03 | October 26, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't be surprised to see him playing overseas next season.

That's just haterade!

Posted by: divi3 | October 26, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Trust me Kalo, there are several NBA GMs who would gladly sign an athletic, creative scorer with good length.

Just because NY may not be a good fit here doesn't mean he can't play in the Association.

Do we really need to document all the players who used the Bullets/Wizards as a springboard to greener pastures?

Posted by: elfreako | October 26, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Kalolo; Nick want out of this wonderful place call the wizards town. And if he go over seeas you will be there too. because your dislike for young has turn into like. Say it with me I AM YOUR BIGEST FAN NICK YOUNG. thank you kalo. Be free.

Posted by: maejude | October 26, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I love the smell of self-delusion in the early evening.

Young's issues have nothing to do with "fit" and everything to do with his almost nonexistent bball IQ. He plays the game entirely from the neck down, and as good as his physical skills are, they aren't nearly good enough for him to succeed that way with nothing going on upstairs.

And there's nothing "creative" about pounding the ball into floor for for most of the shot clock then launching an off-balance, contested fadeaway from 20 feet.

He might get a few 1-year make good offers, but I can't see any GM risking a long-term guarantee on him, esp. under the new CBA, which will likely have a much lower, more restrictive cap. Young is exactly the kind of player likely to get squeezed out by the league's post-lockout belt tightening. If that turns out to be the case, it would be in his best (financial) interests to head overseas, and he won't be alone. In the new NBA world order, a lot of fringe players might be looking for their passports.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 26, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I think Ny will get job in NBA for many years. We have seen several unidiamentinal players contributing even to shampionship teams.All he needs is to prove us wrong by adding consistancy and shoot selection.He just need to smart for himself and improve his shoot Percentage.He is a better defender than most NBA shooters.

Posted by: gtefferra | October 26, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Does David Stern know you've negotiated the new CBA?

Posted by: divi3 | October 26, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't be surprised to see him playing overseas next season.

He could end up like Rashad McCants and Gerald Green and be out of the league because of a lack of professionalism.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 26, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Enough with all the speculation if NY was "all that" then he wouldn't be here or he would have solidified a starting spot on this squad,yes he has skills but as stated in an earlier post his basketball IQ is severely lacking.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 26, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't be surprised to see him playing overseas next season.

He could end up like Rashad McCants and Gerald Green and be out of the league because of a lack of professionalism.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 26, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

When has he been unprofessional. Sure he is youthful and some may perceive him as silly. But I have never heard of him being late, missimg practice, disrespectful to the coach or to anyone in the organization.
Don't sterotype the young man predicated upon some preconceived bull. By all accounts he works hard on his game and has bought into the catch and shoot conceppt that the organization has asked of him. He clearly is in shape and has made efforts to build up his body.

The fact that he may end up in Europe may very well be true. But it is also true that the kid is an MBA talent never got a fair chance here.

Moreover, this constant questioning of BBall IQ refrain is absolutely stupid. The reason this franchise will never ever be a winner under the Saunders/Grunfeld regime is because they simply have not developed and shown a honest committment to their young players. No free agent of any consequence will come here (Hinrich is a solid role player). The only player they have tried to develop is John Wall and they have went overboard in hyping him and giving him the keys to the franchise.

Posted by: NewManagement | October 26, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I guess GIl thinks this is the way to get a "feel good" behind that $50,000 fine.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 26, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

LARRY HUGHES

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 26, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

When has he been unprofessional.

The lack of focus during games has been well documented. A lack of confidence is forgivable in a rookie, but Young has been in the league long enough for it to be considered a team distraction. Role players have to be upbeat. And he hasn't added to his skill set since he's been in the league.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 26, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"Josh Howard is a few weeks now from coming back?"

That's what I was sayin.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 26, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Nick has had 3 different coaches in his first 3 seasons. He's basically played in 3 different systems as Ed Tapscott ran a hybrid Princeton offense with some variations from Eddie Jordan.

Is it really wise to conclude Nick's NBA days are done if he doesn't 'break out' this year?

Posted by: elfreako | October 27, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't help noticing that Derrick Caracter, who Ernie passed over in the late second round, managed to get on the court in LA's victory over Houston, for two entire minutes. He missed his only shot but hey, he's obviously going to be rookie of the year, right?

So isn't anybody going to call for Grunfeld's head for having passed on the guy?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 27, 2010 5:39 AM | Report abuse

LOCKOUT

Posted by: KDSmallJr | October 27, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Gentlemen , why does it seem around Washington all of OUR sports teams struggle . Then you go up 95 north to Philly area and their sports teams are kicken it . Do you think its just us here in Dc hoping for so much and putting very little on the table yo get there ? Why can't one of our sports teams become the team to beat . Or if not why can't we have that one miricle season where every move is right - every player stays healthy - coach makes the right call - we get all the lucky bounce's . Why can't we get that . Its time to invest in our youth , watch them grow , watch them learn from the mistakes . The time has come to stop paying the top dollar to those who only want that .
I run a succesful company and over the years I have had leaders who had been in my company for period of time . What I learned from them is that they can hit the dead end more offten then not & the best way to keep them hungey is to change their scenery . What I'm trying to say is we need NEW leadership under these owners
( well this case just one Ted ). I know this for a fact and I seldom use a outside place to post my our intentions that the NEW BEGINING HAS ARRIVED . We have indentified the reason and to be fair the orders have been put in writing and made so everyone KNOWS that the UP arrow is a good place to go if you want to sercure your job and work for a company that advance's the little man and removes the middle man who makes no advance's .
I am very happy & thrilled that the process of finding indentifing and securing OUR futures has already been put in MOTION . OUR PRODUCT JUST GOT BETTER BECAUSE THOSE WHO DOUT WILL MOUNT THEIR HORSE ONE LAST TIME HERE IN THIS CITY I LOVE ( WASHINGTON D C ) AND THEIR ORDERS WILL BE FOR THE LAST TIME IS RIDE OFF AND DO NOT LOOK BACK !
Goodbye Mr. Grunfield ! Happy Jack is very upset at you ! Goodbye

Posted by: terryreece | October 27, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young is a good guy but agree he'll eventually play overseas, be traded and/or bump around professional basketball and never play a meaningful role for a good team. Doesn't mean he won't have his occasional offensive flashes. Lots of talent. But today's NBA coaches just won't put up with a player who doesn't have the basketball IQ or discipline to stay with the system.

Posted by: jweber1 | October 27, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't help noticing that Derrick Caracter, who Ernie passed over in the late second round, managed to get on the court in LA's victory over Houston, for two entire minutes. He missed his only shot but hey, he's obviously going to be rookie of the year, right?

He was the first guy off the bench last night for the defending world champions. As a late 2nd round pick. In the first reg season game of his career.

Not seeing why he should be ridiculed...

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young is a good guy but agree he will be traded, play overseas, and/or never play a meaningful role on a good team. Great offensive talent and improving D. But today's coaches just won't put up his lack of basketball IQ and on-court mood swings. The focus is on consistency of effort and focus every game.

Posted by: jweber1 | October 27, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

But today's NBA coaches just won't put up with a player who doesn't have the basketball IQ or discipline to stay with the system

25yr old natural scorer with a 40" vert and true range on his J...NY will get plenty of opportunities specifically because coaches will believe (rightly or wrongly) they can maximize his obvious talent.

Don't forget the Wizards have been considered amongst the WORST most DYSFUNCTIONAL franchises in the league. While Wizards fans are hating on NY, there are GMs out there hating on the Wizards. They'll see him dominate practices/camps (just like he does here) and think the franchise was too lousy to develop the kid.

Could be true, could be false, but he'll get his opportunities. Way too talented to wash out after being on just 1 team.

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

[Caracter] was the first guy off the bench last night for the defending world champions. As a late 2nd round pick. In the first reg season game of his career.

Not seeing why he should be ridiculed...

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 8:49 AM

Because he immediately showed he has no business being on the court and is far from being somebody wistfully referred to as "the one who got away".

Too much talk about this kid who still has done NOTHING in the NBA.

Posted by: harrybalz | October 27, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

So between NY, Javele, Andray Blatche (whom many forgot rhode the pine for about three years before he began to get serious pt.), makes you wonder, do the Wiz even interview these players before drafting them? I know the draft is no guarantee, but do the other NBA teams draft guys with "No Bball IQ" and "No professionalism" every year.

I don't blast Grunfeld or "call for hs head" but some of the posters here get pretty adgitated if anyone critiques his performance.

I would love to hear anyone address this.

Posted by: gmac78 | October 27, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Because he immediately showed he has no business being on the court and is far from being somebody wistfully referred to as "the one who got away".

Too much talk about this kid who still has done NOTHING in the NBA.

Who's talking about him other than Samson bringing him up? Phil Jackson thought enough of him to make him the first guy off the bench last night...not sure why you're so dismissive of the kid. Especially when we're supposed to wait 2-3yrs before making any determinations about our project players

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Well Bron bron's not going 82-0 this year. Did anyone catch the "What Should I Do"? Based on the on the court play, he could have spent a little less time doing interviews and shooting commercials.

When Boston is playing playoff basketball, and if they get a healthy Perkins back,they are going to be huge up front.
Who on the Heat is going to the boards and doing the down low dirty work that it takes to be a champion? In the open floor the Heat might be unstoppable, but who's getting the rebounds against tough playoff teams like Boston, Orlando, or the Lakers?

The Heat could be a team that even the Wizards could out rebound. That's not a formula for a team hoping to make a deep playoff run...

Since Kal's knocked out a new collective bargaining agreement in his spare time, I quess he's got time to work on the economy or World peace. I just hate to think he's wasting that vast mind power posting here with a bunch of ordinary basketball fans. Isn't there a tall building he should be leaping off of?

Nick Young, Yi, and Thorton, if the Wiz have any luck one of them will bloom this year and the Wiz will have to pay them well to resign. Since Howard's return seems close, Thorton's working with a tight window, once Howard gets back the minutes will be tight.

If Gil returns to clocking heavy minutes, Nick's in a tight sqeeze too. Even if Gil doesn't, Flip likes Hinrich on the floor with J Wall, so Nick's going to have to work really hard to get minutes. Nick's minutes will be dictated by how smart of basketball he plays because Flip's got a real steady option in Hinrich.

Of the three, Yi's got the biggest opportunity to play and contribute as a regular rotation guy. Right now it looks as if he'll either start or be the first big off the bench depending on how Flip settles on using McGee. Yi's as big of a key to the season as anyone, if he plays well the Wiz have a chance to have a solid 3 man rotation at center and power forward.

All three guys have got to fight the urge to drift out to the perimeter and do their 7' shooting guard act. If Flip can keep them rebounding, defending, setting picks and being active on the boards this could be a decent team, but not one that can play with teams that have the big boys up front like the Celtics, or Magic.

But after last night Pat Riley's got to be wondering where he can find a big body or two to compete come April and May. size still matters in the NBA...

Posted by: flohrtv | October 27, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Who's talking about him other than Samson bringing him up? Phil Jackson thought enough of him to make him the first guy off the bench last night...not sure why you're so dismissive of the kid. Especially when we're supposed to wait 2-3yrs before making any determinations about our project players

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 9:10 AM

Haven't you been talking him up on and off since the Summer League? The Wizards blew it with Ndiaye and Booker when they could have had Caracter, right?

Caracter is NOTHING in the NBA until he shows SOMETHING in the NBA. Btw, last night it looked like he's gained a few pounds since the summer league. His weight problem (you know, one of the issues that caused him to slip in the draft) may not be behind him.

Posted by: harrybalz | October 27, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards blew it with Ndiaye and Booker when they could have had Caracter, right?

Don't think I ever said that. I will be watching how he does in relation to NDiaye however, and Gani Lawal vs Booker.

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

A hard cap or something close to it might not necessarily be a good thing for the League.

Any Team that hopes to win a Ring is going to have to pay to have a group together to do it.

A hard cap would destroy the NBA as we know it.

A hard cap would not even allow this Team to resign all of its good players.

It is even debatable that it really is good for Hockey, where the League controls one or two Teams and the Team that won the crown last year had to dismantle its players.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 27, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"But I have never heard of him being late, missimg practice, disrespectful to the coach or to anyone in the organization."

Posted by: NewManagement | October 26, 2010 10:44 PM

When a coach makes it a point of praising a player for how well he's picking up the coach's system and that same player, not much later, gives an interview in which he openly expresses his intention to abandon/ignore said system and go back to doing what he wants to do, that seems like a pretty clear indication of disrespect and/or flat out stupidity to me.

Young simply doesn't get it.

"They'll see him dominate practices/camps (just like he does here) and think the franchise was too lousy to develop the kid."

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 9:01 AM

Or, more likely, they'll see him dominate practices and camps and quickly realize (as have the Wiz, apparently) that he's a practice/camp superstar who too often wilts under the demands of a game that actually means something.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse


Or, more likely, they'll see [Nick Young] dominate practices and camps and quickly realize (as have the Wiz, apparently) that he's a practice/camp superstar who too often wilts under the demands of a game that actually means something.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 10:05 AM

Amen.

Posted by: harrybalz | October 27, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

A hard camp will hit players a lot better and making more money than Nick Young. Nick Young falls into a hard cap league quite nicely if you ask me.

A Young player with promise that you can sign on the cheap.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 27, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Or, more likely, they'll see him dominate practices and camps and quickly realize (as have the Wiz, apparently) that he's a practice/camp superstar who too often wilts under the demands of a game that actually means something.

Which of course can only happen if he gets an opportunity to play in games that actually mean something....exactly the point I'm making, he'll get further chances. He's too good not to.

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Great post flohrtv! I agree with most of what you say, especially your analysis of the teams to beat based on the size and quality of their front line. That is the Achilles heel of the Heat for sure.

In addition to that, I see potential trouble brewing between the superfriends as the season goes along -- specifically between Dwayne Wade and Lebron James. Wade had a horrible game while Lebron got hot, yet Wade continued to take some ill-advised, one-on-one shots instead of deferring to Lebron, the hot man. To me, he seemed less than content to play second fiddle to Lebron and sought instead to seize the hero's mantle and be the one to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Superstar athlete egos tend to be a fragile and unpredictable thing, so it will be interesting to see how the Heat mesh as the season goes along.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | October 27, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"A hard camp will hit players a lot better and making more money than Nick Young. Nick Young falls into a hard cap league quite nicely if you ask me."


(A) If all he gets are offers "on the cheap" then wouldn't it be in his interest to consider playing overseas, where he can make more money (and possibly get more PT) than as the 10th man on the end of someone's bench (a la Josh Childress)?

(B) Not all talent is held in equal esteem. Big men and PGs get longer developmental leashes because impact players at those spots are harder to find and more valuable to have. One-dimensional, mid-sized perimeter scorers, however, are hardly a rare commodity. With every extra year it takes Young to get it (3 and counting, so far), the market becomes more crowded with guys who can do the same job he can. Guys who, because they're younger, have more tantalizing potential and, because they have fewer years of service, come with a smaller asking price. It's not just his own inadequacies that work against him. Market forces are not in his favor either.

(C) One of the first things likely to be cut from team's budgets under a tighter cap are project players with limited ceilings. That's Young in a nutshell. He's a 3 (soon to be 4) year vet who still makes boneheaded rookie mistakes. Given that Young's biggest asset is still his "potential," why would a team invest real money in him when they can draft (or sign) an actual rookie with similar potential for a lot less?

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Which of course can only happen if he gets an opportunity to play in games that actually mean something....exactly the point I'm making, he'll get further chances. He's too good not to."

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 10:26 AM

That argument assumes he hasn't already had sufficient chances for other teams to reach that conclusion without having to give him even more chances. Which, of course, is utter nonsense and rubbish. It's not like the other teams in the NBA have never seen him play or have no idea who he is or what he can do simply because he's not wearing their uniform. This may come as a shock, but teams actually do pay attention to what the opposing players do during games. They employ scouts for a reason.

And, as previously stated, the issue isn't simply whether another team is willing to take a chance on Young, it's whether they're willing to take a big enough chance that going overseas doesn't look like a better opportunity.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Also, another team "giving him a chance" does not equate to him actually playing in the NBA next season. The Wiz gave Adam Morrison "a chance," yet his name is conspicuously absent from an NBA roster now that the season has started.

That said, to be clear, I did not and am not specifically predicting he'll end up overseas. I just said I wouldn't be surprised if he did. His NBA future from this point is far from a given and his options appear to be shrinking. To argue that there's no way he'll be out of the league after this season is short-sighted wishful thinking. There's plenty of ways. What will actually happen, as always, remains to be seen.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

And, as previously stated, the issue isn't simply whether another team is willing to take a chance on Young, it's whether they're willing to take a big enough chance that going overseas doesn't look like a better opportunity.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The NBA is the top basketball league in the world. The implication that NY would end up overseas is based on the opinion that he is not good enough to make it in the league and that teams will not want to sign a player like him under the new CBA. It may be a better deal financially to go overseas for a season and make some extra coin, but the goal of most players who go overseas is to get back into the NBA. If he can prove himself good enough to get back into the league by playing overseas for a year or 2, and also risk injury or watching his value drop, why not just take the paycut and prove himself over here.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 27, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't help noticing that Derrick Caracter, who Ernie passed over in the late second round, managed to get on the court in LA's victory over Houston, for two entire minutes. He missed his only shot but hey, he's obviously going to be rookie of the year, right?

So isn't anybody going to call for Grunfeld's head for having passed on the guy?

Posted by: Samson151

Obviously, right now, there's no a lot of point in assessing the comparative value of late second round picks, but if you wanted to, the other side of your argument would be that the guy EG passed over made a deep Lakers team and showed enough that the coaches felt ok with putting him in a regular season game, if only for two minutes.

Meanwhile, the guy EG picked, they were really hoping would play overseas, because they didn't feel like he was quite ready to be on the Wizards less-deep roster.

Is the Caracter/Ndiaye decision going to haunt the franchise? Pretty unlikely. And there's always the chance still that Ndiaye develops into a useful player. But there's at least a little room right now for a legit criticism if someone wants to make it.

Posted by: ts35 | October 27, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

From the reactions it seems the focus of Lee's article should of been about the fact Wizards aren't extending Nick Young rather than Thornton. But we all know Lee has his finger firmly on the pulse of the Wizards and their fan base.

In fact after seeing Yi in preseason I think that is the biggest story of the 3. A legit 7fter who can rebound & has his offensive skills could be tough to re-sign. Personally I think not re-upping Thornton and Yi are mistakes. Nick Young is a good move if only to give him motivation and focus this year, maybe take things more seriously.

Posted by: Darnell1 | October 27, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"If he can prove himself good enough to get back into the league by playing overseas for a year or 2, and also risk injury or watching his value drop, why not just take the paycut and prove himself over here."

Ask Josh Childress.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Follow the money, lilhollywood10.

It's what the vast majority of players do. Childress, for example, went overseas and made some nice coin. He only returned when he felt he could make more in the NBA (which he did). Nick is good enough to get a shot with another NBA team next year at perhaps a minimum contract (obviously, depending on what he does this year), but if a team overseas offers him 2-3 times the league minimum, why would he sign with an NBA team? Players are very cognizant of the fact that they are only one serious injury away from their respective careers being over. Might as well make the money while you can.

Posted by: harrybalz | October 27, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Josh Childress is so 2008. Europe is no longer swimming in cash (certainly not Greece!). Iverson just got what, 2yrs/$4mill?

Given that, just how much more is NY supposed to get overseas than he'd be paid here? Perhaps kal can let us in on the specifics of the new CBA?

For all we know, the new CBA will create a climate of non-guaranteed, incentive laden contracts....exactly the type of deals that teams would like to make with players such as NY

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Just looking at the box score though, it is pretty impressive that Caracter was on the floor for 2 minutes and had a +/- of minus 8.

Posted by: ts35 | October 27, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young = Jarvis Hayes

That is all.

Posted by: jimwest20 | October 27, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"For all we know, the new CBA will create a climate of non-guaranteed, incentive laden contracts...."

There's no need to "create" anything, as such contracts have existed in the NBA for decades. And it's exactly such deals, when weighed against the possibility of guaranteed money overseas, that make many fringe NBA players decide to jump ship.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

divi3,

A broken down, reportedly gambling-addicted and alcoholic Iverson just got $4 million. Let's not pretend it's 2001 or that he's fresh off his MVP year. There's cash overseas.

Posted by: harrybalz | October 27, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Iverson was signed to put butts in seats overseas....highly doubt there are many NY fans in Istanbul.

Childress' deal was an anomaly.

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I like Nick Young on this team. I think with Wall dominating the ball and making plays, having a player like Young to kick it to should lead to points. NY is a guy, like Dixon used to be, that can come in to the game when our offense is just dead & not clicking, and get us some points just on his own. Also I like the role player option for offense/defense off the bench with him and Booker.

But considering his skill level & physical abilities it is disapointing he hasn't developed as a starting caliber 2, and looks like he never will at this point.

Posted by: Darnell1 | October 27, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Josh Childress is horrible, NY could wring that type of talent out of his jock strap after practice.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 27, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Blazers prevail behind late lineup change

The story of the Trail Blazers' 106-92 opening win over Phoenix might be a recurring one all season: They’re a lot tougher to guard when they have an extra shooter on the court instead of their starting five.

With starters Andre Miller and Marcus Camby both non-shooters, Phoenix could double-team LaMarcus Aldridge with impunity.

It will be interesting to see how Nate handles this, because the Wizards will have the same problem.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 27, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I think it's always fashionable to undervalue scoring, as if it's casual fans who place importance on it while real fans know better. People talk like guys who can come off the bench cold and get you 10pts are a dime a dozen...in reality they arent. There will always be a place for players who can not play for a week then come in and (potentially) hit four 3s or whatever. That's Nick.

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Lets talk about all of the NBA success stories of 25 yr old former first rounders who spurn NBA gms to play overseas,
then come back to make more money since this practice is so commonplace. lets go down the list of players in who've benefited from turning down NBA contracts before they've even signed a second NBA deal (not counting team options), to play overseas. I'll start the list with Childress you guys fill in the rest.............

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 27, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

In fact after seeing Yi in preseason I think that is the biggest story of the 3. A legit 7fter who can rebound & has his offensive skills could be tough to re-sign.
Posted by: Darnell1

Despite the part where New Jersey paid us $3M to take him of their hands.

Posted by: ts35 | October 27, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse


Josh Childress is horrible, NY could wring that type of talent out of his jock strap after practice.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 27, 2010 11:25 AM

Agreed. Unfortunately, if NY wrings out his jock strap after a GAME, more often than not nothing would come out of said strap.

Nick's first few minutes of action in a game are still the barometer for whether or not he'll give you something on a given night. That's why he's in the position he's in, imho.

Posted by: harrybalz | October 27, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm suprised that the Nick Youngs and Al Thorntons of the world could even make the Wizards roster, what with all the talent Grunfeld has assembled through his skillful use of the draft, such as last year's number 5 pick and their early second round pick. Oh wait, I forgot. We have nothing to show for last year's draft, and we're blaming it on poor Abe Polin who isn't even around to defend himself.

Posted by: sonny2 | October 27, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

People talk like guys who can come off the bench cold and get you 10pts are a dime a dozen...in reality they arent. There will always be a place for players who can not play for a week then come in and (potentially) hit four 3s or whatever. That's Nick.

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I think Mia has something to say about that. Last night they couldn't find a guy on the bench who could pick up the slack for Wade and Bosh.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 27, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Lets talk about all of the NBA success stories of 25 yr old former first rounders who spurn NBA gms to play overseas,
then come back to make more money since this practice is so commonplace.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 27, 2010 11:34 AM

My point is about making the most money you can, while you can. If NY can make more money overseas, then that's where he should go. If he's successful overseas and an NBA team wants to pay him more money to bring him back, that's good too. If they don't, he still hasn't left any money on the table.

Posted by: harrybalz | October 27, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"I think it's always fashionable to undervalue scoring, as if it's casual fans who place importance on it while real fans know better. People talk like guys who can come off the bench cold and get you 10pts are a dime a dozen...in reality they arent."

Pretty much any NBA player can score 10 points if given enough opportunities (unless he's Ben Wallace). The issues, as they've always been, is (A) how many shots he has to take and (B) how many points does he give up in turn? Young comes up short on both tests.

"There will always be a place for players who can not play for a week then come in and (potentially) hit four 3s or whatever. That's Nick."

That's nonsense. The idea that Young is some kind of locked and loaded assassin in waiting is utterly ludicrous. He's a wild-eyed gunner with soggy ammo and bent crosshairs. Does he have talent? Sure. Every player in the NBA has talent. That's not enough. And he's pretty consistently proven to be lacking most or all of the other stuff it takes.

And unless he's 7 feet tall, 4 years into a guy's career, most teams expect to see some "actual" for their money.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"I think Mia has something to say about that. Last night they couldn't find a guy on the bench who could pick up the slack for Wade and Bosh."

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 27, 2010 11:39 AM /

So now Young is the guy who can pick up Dwayne Wade's slack? Oh please. Doesn't matter who Miami has on the bench, they aren't going to win games when two of their big three pull a Casper.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"The Wizards blew it with Ndiaye and Booker when they could have had Caracter, right?"

Don't think I ever said that. I will be watching how he does in relation to NDiaye however, and Gani Lawal vs Booker.

Posted by: divi3

To be fair, while I don't know if you ever said exactly that, there was a week or so in Summer League there when we didn't know what was up with Seraphin's knee, Booker wasn't doing much, Ndiaye wasn't playing and Caracter was throwing up double doubles that you were hyping him over the raw projects that EG had drafted.

Posted by: ts35 | October 27, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

So now Young is the guy who can pick up Dwayne Wade's slack? Oh please. Doesn't matter who Miami has on the bench, they aren't going to win games when two of their big three pull a Casper.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 27, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

As a career 9 ppg scorer i think he CAN pick up some of it. but the point is that teams need scorers off the bench.BTW CB1 will be pulling a Casper on most nights. I can't wait til the AB haters get a load of this PUSS C Bosh hanging around the perimeter afraid to bang with the likes of Big Baby Davis and Geriatikevin Garnett. He's the weak link IMHO. Wade.........just another Jacker, he can play d and hits the boards, but he's a volume scorer and is used to being the only offensive option on every play. Bron is more comfortable playing with others, and trying to share the ball, he'll never complain about shots or his role.But i think Wades play in the 3-4th quarters was erratic and without real purpose. He displayed low bball iq lls.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 27, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I have never trusted Al Thorton. His game is not consistent enough. As for Yi, I don`t really see him getting many opportunities for the Wiz

Posted by: jtshoopsblog | October 27, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read through all of the Nick Young thread, so apologies if I miss the gist, but here's my 2 cents.

I wouldn't call Nick unprofessional, at least by NBA standards. He's definitely an underachiever based on his physical gifts, but to the extent that he's not getting arrested, he shows up for practice, he doesn't mouth off (much) in the media, he falls within the parameters of professional behavior for the NBA.

He's also a ways away from being Gerald Green, etc.

He has enough talent and has delivered just enough that he can be on an NBA roster for a long time, short of contraction. NBA rosters are filled with talented underachievers. The only way I see him going to Europe (and I think others have alluded to this) is if some team offers him a much bigger contract than any NBA team is willing to.

Here's what I expect, depending on Kal's final draft of the new CBA.

If EG is here, Nick Young will be here and will be resigned for around what he's making now. The only way I don't see this happening is if some team decides they want to take a chance on him and ups the offer.

But even if they let him go, there will be teams that will pick him up and take a chance on him for the second phase of his career. Looking around the league at some of the guys holding starting and backup SG roles, it's hard to imagine there's not a place for him, despite his limitations.

Al Thornton, though, to me is a guy who -- though he will also likely have a spot on an NBA roster if he wants one -- is more likely to end up overseas.

Posted by: ts35 | October 27, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

As a career 9 ppg scorer i think he CAN pick up some of it. but the point is that teams need scorers off the bench.BTW CB1 will be pulling a Casper on most nights. I can't wait til the AB haters get a load of this PUSS C Bosh hanging around the perimeter afraid to bang with the likes of Big Baby Davis and Geriatikevin Garnett. He's the weak link IMHO. Wade.........just another Jacker, he can play d and hits the boards, but he's a volume scorer and is used to being the only offensive option on every play. Bron is more comfortable playing with others, and trying to share the ball, he'll never complain about shots or his role.But i think Wades play in the 3-4th quarters was erratic and without real purpose. He displayed low bball iq lls.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Um, it's not like Bosh is new to the NBA. He's been banging with those guys for years, and with a lot less help than he has now.

People are jumping to a whole bunch of conclusions based on one game against the team that was in the Finals last year.

No question Miami is going to have problems inside against the bigger teams. That's why I don't think this year is their year. Depending on what happens with the CBA, I expect them to be able to pick up at least one more legit big body next offseason to offset that.

But putting that aside, my guess is that Wade, Bron and Bosh will figure it out more often than not. Plus, tossing aside the bball iq of a guy like Wade who has led his team to a ring......doesn't make much sense to me.

Posted by: ts35 | October 27, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

RE: Nick Young

I'm a Nick Young fan and I believe he has all the physical tools to be as good as Kobe. Unfortunately I doubt he'll ever Be anything close as he lacks the mental capacity most nights. He is not, as of this moment, a better NBA player than Josh Childress. More talented? Sure. More productive and efficient? Not even close. Also Young won't be playing in Europe next year, it's not that I don't think he'll still be in the league, I just don't see him going overseas. He'd go to the D-League before going overseas in my opinion.

RE: Draft Picks

Caracter has a lot of potential but there were several character questions surrounding him before the draft. That and the fact that he was an undersized PF who didn't provide a different look than Blatche, it's obvious the why the Wizards went a different direction. Seraphin, Booker, and N'Diaye all fit the hard-working, defense-oriented profile the Wizards were drafting upon.

Posted by: DonnyB | October 27, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Also Young won't be playing in Europe next year, it's not that I don't think he'll still be in the league, I just don't see him going overseas. He'd go to the D-League before going overseas in my opinion.
Posted by: DonnyB

I hear what you're sayin, I don't necessarily see him in Europe either, but the D-League guys make 5 figures. If a European team offers him a multi-million dollar deal, hard to see anyone saying no. Especially since his prospects for making it back to the League are just as good, if not better, from Europe.

Posted by: ts35 | October 27, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Lets talk about all of the NBA success stories of 25 yr old former first rounders who spurn NBA gms to play overseas...Posted by: lilhollywood10

It's become a more attractive option with the success of Childress and Kleiza. I won't be surprised if several free agents leave for Europe if there is a lockout. Jared Dudley has already talked about it.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 27, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ts35 | October 27, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse
i prolly rambled, but my point was the guy that i say is most iffy is Bosh. He doesn't seem like he's quite as good as he's been hyped up to be. I'da took STAT and Bron and let Bosh go to NY.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 27, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

i prolly rambled, but my point was the guy that i say is most iffy is Bosh. He doesn't seem like he's quite as good as he's been hyped up to be. I'da took STAT and Bron and let Bosh go to NY.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

For gaudier numbers, STAT is your guy. Bosh is a more fundamentally sound player overall, and a better defender. It's just been tougher to see because he ends up playing out of position so much. Even though Bosh is a better player, you might be able to make the case that a more physical player like Boozer would have been a better way to go.

But make no mistake. It's been tougher to see based on position and being in Toronto, but Bosh is a warrior.

It's going to take Miami a while to figure out how to mesh everything together, but they'll hit a stretch somewhere mid-season where they'll rip off a 10-15 game winning streak or something similar like a 20-2 run. I still don't think it will be enough to get them the ring, but there's a lot of teams in the league that they will probably just roll over. And then the hype machine will start anew.

Posted by: ts35 | October 27, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

never liked Bosh much. The numbers don't lie though. he's not a slouch and he does deserve credit for his defense, but he's never been a tough guy, and i think they need that from him. He's gotta develop that mean streak, I think to take his game to that Elite level. Not that all Elite players have that mean streak, but he doesn't look aggresive enough on o. I know last night was 1 game,and the first one at that, but Bosh was settling for the outside J all night. He's gotta bang a lil bit, if for nothing other than floor balance and proper spacing.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 27, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Miami may still even lead the league in wins during the regular season, my point is that based on recent history in the finals, size does matter.

Miami simply doesn't seem to have the horses up front to matchup to Boston, Orlando, and the Lakers. And they're the guys that they've got to go through. Even Atlanta might be able to maul them on the boards in a playoff series.

If Bosh ends up playing as the biggest guy on the floor, like he often did in Toronto, the Heat are not a team equipped to go deep into the playoffs, no matter how talented LeBron is.

Even a young Jordan didn't get past Detroit or Boston until his team got enough horses up front to compete. I just don't think Z's going to be able to give them enough quality minutes to offset the onslaught of big bodies they're going to see round after round in the playoffs.

Riley's signed lots of bargain basement shooters and scorers like Miller, House, and Stackhouse, but his choices of big bodies seem lacking. Juwan Howard may pass for a center on a Tues night in Toronto during the season, he's not going to matchup very well in Boston the playoffs.

Come next spring I wouldn't be surprised if there will be some questioning of that roster, unless Stern decides the league needs a LeBron/Kobe matchup and the Celtics aren't allowed to bang like playoff teams normally do.

If they are Celtics in 6. I'm not sure either team gets past Orlando...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | October 27, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

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