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Ben Wallace teaches lessons, Trevor Booker does Wallace impression


Sorry I had to do that, Kirk. I'm really just trying to show those young boys something. (AP Photo/Tony Dejak)


Ben Wallace's hair is a little grayer and he doesn't move around like he once did when he was one of the league's most menacing and dominant rebounders and defenders. He displayed that limited athleticism early in the Wizards' 98-92 loss on Tuesday when he stole a ball from Hilton Armstrong under the Detroit Pistons' basket and shot an airball reverse layup that made several Wizards lower their heads and chuckle with amusement.

JaVale McGee certainly looked 14 years Wallace's junior, as he bounced around Wallace for jumping jack jams. But Wallace -- one of just two former Bullets still in the NBA -- still knows how to play, how to tell from the trajectory of each jump shot where the rebound is likely going to fall, and how to read passing lanes when young players start telegraphing where the ball is headed.

His beard extends a pretty far from his chin, so it wasn't exactly professorial, but he taught the Wizards some lessons in their preseason finale on Tuesday night as he had a team-high 11 rebounds with four steals and a blocked shot for the Pistons. "My feet ain't as quick as they used to be, but my hand-speed is the same," Wallace said afterward. "I had a lot of balls bounce my way."

Wallace did his part to fluster No. 1 overall pick John Wall, who committed a preseason-high six turnovers, partly because he wasn't used to playing against a big man who came up looking to bat away his passes in pick-and-roll situations. Wallace stole the ball from Wall twice in the first half, with one of them leading to a two-handed dunk for Charlie Villanueva. "I don't think he's used to the big man stepping out on the floor like I did," Wallace said of Wall. "In time he'll figure it out, but by the time he figure it out, I'll be at the house, on the couch."

Wall admitted afterward that he hadn't seen a team defend him in that manner through the first six preseason games. "He showed me a great thing, to protect the ball more," Wall said. "Usually when I come off screens, big men show, but they don't have quick hands, quick feet and they ain't as strong. Ben is great with his hands and known as a great defensive player. So when he came up, I should've been smarter. He stuck his hand out and I'm holding the ball loose."


This is so much easier with Ben Wallace gone. (AP Photo/Tony Dejak)

The Pistons didn't just challenge Wall with Wallace, as they also unleashed Rodney Stuckey, who started the game in attack mode. Stuckey coerced Wall into two quick fouls in the first 2 minutes, 16 seconds. The early foul trouble took Wall out of his game early on, and he didn't start to recover until the second half. Stuckey torched the Wizards for 34 points on 13 for 18 shooting.

"My coaches told me that Rodney Stuckey was going to attack the basket pretty early and try to post me up. He did that, but I did the dumb things and picked up two quick fouls," he said. "I couldn't be as aggressive as I wanted to be defensively and offensively."

Coach Flip Saunders credited Wall for how he recovered from a difficult first half, in which he had four turnovers and just two points on 1-of-5 shooting. Wall finished with 13 points, going 4 for 7 in the second half. Two of Wall's baskets came when Wallace was resting in the fourth quarter, as he used screens from Hamady Ndiaye to attack the rim, where fellow rookie Greg Monroe was playing center and not Wallace.

The Wizards haven't had a big man to play with the tenacity of Wallace since he was dealt to Orlando for Ike Austin in 1998. But Trevor Booker made a case for potentially finally filling that void with an impressive 18-minute performance on Tuesday. Saunders was looking to give a number of players a shot in the preseason finale, but Booker approached him during the game and said, "Hey coach, play me."

He gave Booker a shot, and the rookie was a wrecking ball of energy, knocking out players and scrapping for loose balls. Booker led the Wizards with 12 rebounds, and was so active that Wizards radio commentator Glenn Consor said, "It looks like there's five Trevor Bookers out there."

"I thought Book, was the guy you were feeling," Saunders said. "He was relentless."

Booker had a shaky start, as he entered the game at small forward and clobbered Richard Hamilton, sending Hamilton staggering and touching his lip. That's good. But then Booker got the ball near the foul line and pulled up for a jumper instead of driving down the lane. That's not so good, as Saunders shouted for Booker to take a higher percentage shot. When he came back in the second half, Booker nearly helped the Wizards come back from a 10-point fourth-quarter deficit.

"I'm just trying to steal some minutes, go in there and bring a lot of energy. I want to play every night," Booker said. "I felt our team needed a boost and that's what I was trying to do. We had a lot of energy guys out there. We fed off each other and we almost pulled it off."

By Michael Lee  | October 20, 2010; 12:01 AM ET
 
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The steal of the draft Kevin Seraphin
finally got in a game...I guess the Wizards were trying to keep him as their Secret weapon once the season starts?

Give Ernie a raise?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 20, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Why in gods name would Booker (your 1st round pick) have to beg for minutes in the last pre-season game?

Flippery coaches as if the Wizards were a single player away from getting to the finals when indeed we are many players away from even making the playoffs. I guess if Booker where a point guard he would be playing too many minutes.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 20, 2010 6:15 AM | Report abuse

This guy would make a good D league player. Booker maybe a nice guy but he is not a PF. This is a wasted pick at 17. More signs of how dumb Ernie and Flip are. You had McGuire who did the samething. C'man.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | October 20, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

The other day somebody said that the Wiz would rather win 28 games without Gil then 38 with him. After the last two preseason games it becomes pretty clear that with a healthy Gil and Howard this could be a surprise team that competes for the 8th playoff spot. Without them, we'll be cheering for pingpong balls in June...

Chances of trading Gil and getting anything besides salary cap relief are pretty much nil. So a deal for Gil would boil down to subtraction, on the positve side the Wiz could subtract the distraction of Gil. No more of his sideshow off the court, no more worries about the knee, no more wondering what he'd say or do next.

But Flip would also give up the team's only proven NBA scorer, teams could bore in to stopping Wall like the Piston's did last night. There would be plenty of nights where scoring would be the team's biggest weakness, they could play good D, but just not score enough points to win.

The Wiz could keep Gil and find out the knee just won't go 82 games anymore. Or the knee could be fine, and other nagging injuries could just start to take their toll. Only time will tell.

But it is very clear the M.O. on John Wall has been developed, teams are going to start to pack the lane and challenge the kid's shot. That also works against Blatche, if there's too many bodies down low and Wall's struggling to get him the ball, Big B will drift to the perimeter. Same with Yi an McGee.

Without Gil this team is composed of perimeter players with limited perimeter games, and big men who tend to drift out to the perimeter when the lane gets crowded. That is a receipe for lots of ugly nights in the NBA, J Wall won't be in the running for either ROY of the playoff spot that he craves.

With two proven NBA scorers manning the 2 and the 3 that have the ability to stretch teams the dynamic changes rapidly. What they will create is space for the young guys to work.

With Gil and Howard on the wings Wall can team with the young bigs to create a pick and roll game that can be as deadly as any in basketball. Blatche will have the room to work in the post and McGee will have room enough to use his quickness and leaping ability.

Thorton and Young just don't have the consistancy in their games to create that spacing. Teams will pack it in and wait and see if those guys are hot and they have to play them honest.It's a different story with Gil and Howard on the floor.

There's an old saying that one in the hand is worth two in the bush. The lottery is full of risky picks, on the wrong roster even J Wall could look like a bust. Gil is a flawed, risky personality, but one thing for sure, when healthy, he's been an Allstar in this league.

This is clearly John Wall's team now, but for John Wall to take this league by storm he needs Gil and Howard to do it. Nobody wins alone in this league, without Gil and Howard we're in for some ugly basketball this season.
With them, it could be a fun year to be a Wizards' fan...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | October 20, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse


Lester Hudson needs to be shown the door as we have too many combo guards on the roster. We need a three who can come off the bench and spread the defense.

Adam Morrison will make the team.

Posted by: ahwyatt | October 20, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

This guy would make a good D league player. Booker maybe a nice guy but he is not a PF. This is a wasted pick at 17. More signs of how dumb Ernie and Flip are. You had McGuire who did the samething. C'man.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | October 20, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Seraphin was the pick at 17, Booker was taken by the Timberwolves at 23 for the Wizards 30th and 35th pick. I think that's high for Booker considering the Wizards probably could have stayed put and gotten him with the 30th pick. Booker's main problem is that he's 3 inches too short for PF, but he is tough and he hustles. He might surprise alot of people.

Posted by: anw821 | October 20, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

only heard some of the game, sounded like the offense was "Ok John, do something." I'm all for Wall learning the ropes, but would rather not see the development of the team based upon 1 guy doing whatever he wants. Of course, it's PRESEASON and the best time for Wall to learn his limitations.

Booker grabbed 12 boards in 18mins?? Sounds like exactly what we need.

CMartin not playing is a sign he's made the team, imo.

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

What game were you at? Seems like Rodney Stuckey taught the biggest lesson with 34 points and 7 assists.

Posted by: NewManagement | October 20, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

We need a three who can come off the bench and spread the defense.

Adam Morrison will make the team.

Based on hitting two 3s in the entire preseason?

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

There would be no need for Booker if the Wizard would have draft Blair in the 2nd round last year. Now it looks like Blair will start this year with the Spur...In Erie we trust? Really?

Posted by: lemekdivine | October 20, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I still think wall will get ROY without the playoffs. Look at Sacramento last year. They had fewer wins than 30 and Tyreke evans got it. I think this year it will depend on how far Blake Griffin Take the Clippers and Cousins take the Kings to get the ROY award.

Posted by: jefferu | October 20, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Yi seems has cooled off from his early pre-season games. His shooting for the last 3 games is 7 for 24, or 29%!

Posted by: sagaliba | October 20, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse


There would be no need for Booker if the Wizard would have draft Blair in the 2nd round last year. Now it looks like Blair will start this year with the Spur...In Erie we trust? Really?

Posted by: lemekdivine | October 20, 2010 9:33 AM

Booker will have a longer NBA career since he doesn't have the knees of a 40 year old man, unlike Blair. I'm not sold on Ernie as GM, but I think Booker will be the better player AND better long-term investment. So many of you armchair general managers only think about what works right this minute.

Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii | October 20, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Booker should be playing every game because he will bring hustle, toughness and tenacity.

Unfortunately, given Flip's track record for erratic substitutions he'll pick up 3 or 4 DNP-CD by Thanksgiving.

His man crush for the 3-guard lineup might be a recipe for disaster if McGee can't stay on the court for 30 minutes a night and Blatche is a couple more weeks from being in good shape.

Hate to say it, but I smell another sub- par November Wiz faithful.

Posted by: elfreako | October 20, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

florhtv - you nailed it

Posted by: EYoung77 | October 20, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Blair was a first round talent that everybody in the league got scared off by a medical examination that found that his PCL tendon repair had desolved.

I'd agree that he should have been worth a second round gamble, but the Wizards weren't the only team scared off by that doctors report.

As for Booker's height in relation to possible success in the NBA, how tall is Blair? For that matter, how tall is Ben Wallace? Years ago Big Ben tried to catch with the Celtics as a swing man before the Wiz gave him a shot as a power forward. He eventually bulked up to the point where the Pistons gave him a shot at center.

Wallace is exactly the kind of guy that McGee should be patterning his game after. He is so active on the floor moving his feet and getting in position to be disruptive. With McGee's quickness and super long arms he could be a very disruptive defensive player attacking the pick and roll game. He does seem much improved in that area, but he could still learn a lot from watching Wallace.

Booker has two big advantages over Blair. He's got much more lateral quickness and he's flat out fast. Last year Blair really struggled to defend in space, pull him away from the hoop and guys like Blatche go right around him.

Booker is quick enough to double team guards and has seemed effective in the open floor. Blair's more of a load in the lowpost, Booker's got to be more crafty.

I wouldn't mind having them both on a team because I think Booker can eventually learn to be an effective small forward. It's just going to take him awhile to make the conversion. Blair is more of a lowpost banger that needs to stay as close to the basket as possible.

Seraphin is a long term project, I'd really like to see the Wizards put the support system in place for him to spend some time working in the D League this year. Both he and H could use added one on one intsruction and courttime to work on their games.

It will be interesting to see what the Wiz do, keep them as #'s 14 and 15 and let them try and get their work in at practice, or use the D League for the first time since Party John Ramos and Blatche went down as rookies.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | October 20, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Seraphin is a long term project, I'd really like to see the Wizards put the support system in place for him to spend some time working in the D League this year.

Didnt EG guarantee him he wouldnt go to the Dleague?

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Trevor Booker is a power forward trapped inside a small forwards body. He will make the team because he's got a nose for the ball, plays defense and he's absolutely fearless.

Because Trevor's shorter than most power fowards, he knows that he has to develop a reliable jumper. Until he does, taller defenders will pack it in and challenge him to drive to the hoop.

The other players who make the team are Cartier Martin and Adam Morrison. Hilton Armstrong and Lester Hudson are on the bubble.

I would prefer that Hudson get that last roster spot. He was a scoring machine at Tennessee-Martin, but the Wiz are deep at guard and depleted at small forward.

Posted by: musicmanjr | October 20, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

They will NEED Hilton Armstrong in the roster in case McGhee gets injured. That's how poor the Wiz frontline is. A long term injury for either Javale or Blatche will mean another lottery ticket for the team.

Posted by: Dave381 | October 20, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The other players who make the team are Cartier Martin and Adam Morrison. Hilton Armstrong and Lester Hudson are on the bubble.

I would prefer that Hudson get that last roster spot. He was a scoring machine at Tennessee-Martin, but the Wiz are deep at guard and depleted at small forward.
Posted by: musicmanjr

Hilton Armstrong has a guaranteed contract. They could cut him, but they'd have to pay him anyway, so he'll be on the team regardless. So it's basically pick three of the following 5: Morrison, Martin, Sean Marks, Hamady or Hudson.

Personally I don't see the appeal of Morrison. All he theoretically brings is shooting, but is below par in most other areas. A guy like Martin may not shoot quite as well, but he at least brings other things to the table. Given their recent track record with lottery reclamation projects, they may keep Morrison to see if he can eventually give them something, but I hope they don't. Unless they can find a home for H overseas, I think they keep him and send him to the D-League.

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Booker's height isn't necessarily a killer if he can compensate for it. Chuck Hayes 6'7", Jason Mxiell 6'7", Brandon Bass 6'8", DeJuan Blair, 6'8", all play PFs. However, none of the above players is drafted as high as Booker and Booker hasn't shown enough capability inside in summer league and preseason. Don't see he can hold for his position inside as well as those players. Hopefully, he can develop.

BTW, don't think Hilton is in jeopardy, he has guaranteed contract, and coach seems to like him. Besides, given where Seraphin is and McGee is foul prone, the team needs him.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 20, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Trevor Booker makes me forget about DeJuan Blair. 'Nuff Said.

Posted by: mabkhar | October 20, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Seraphin is a long term project, I'd really like to see the Wizards put the support system in place for him to spend some time working in the D League this year.

Didnt EG guarantee him he wouldnt go to the Dleague?

Posted by: divi3

Yep, I more or less remember hearing the same thing. A case could be made for sending him to the D, and a case can be made for keeping him with the main team. Wherever he was picked, whatever EG traded to get him, he's a rook, and a big man rook in particular. So it may take him a while to adjust. Wiz fans should be used to that. How long have we waited for AB, McGee and NY to put together consistent efforts?

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

A long term injury for either Javale or Blatche will mean another lottery ticket for the team.

Posted by: Dave381 | October 20, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Dave,

Are you saying if both stay healthy the Wizards are a playoff team?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 20, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78,

If all stars line up then the Wiz MIGHT get the 8th spot. A lot of IFs involve to mention.

Posted by: Dave381 | October 20, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

How long have we waited for AB, McGee and NY to put together consistent efforts?

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting...

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 20, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Dave,

After seeing the picks Ernie gets in the middle of the 1st round I would rather try Ted's luck again and make the lottery instead of making the playoffs and getting knocked out in the first round.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 20, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"...........We had a lot of energy guys out there. We fed off each other and we almost pulled it off." MICHAEL LEE

And I'll assume ARENAS wasn't one of them. So, reality starts next week?

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 20, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Miami
Boston
Orlando
Chicago
Atlanta
Charlotte
Milwaukee
New York

I'm trying but dont see how we make the playoffs this year. Honestly, I think we are a lottery team.. 30 wins max.. Probably will be good to get another high round draft pick next season. Hard to not hope we make the playoffs but vs. Miami or Boston, what's the point..This will be a very interesting season.

As long as we have 30 or more wins I consider it a success!

Posted by: kevenjones | October 20, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Miami
Boston
Orlando
Chicago
Atlanta
Charlotte
Milwaukee
New York

I'm trying but dont see how we make the playoffs this year. Honestly, I think we are a lottery team.. 30 wins max.. Probably will be good to get another high round draft pick next season. Hard to not hope we make the playoffs but vs. Miami or Boston, what's the point..This will be a very interesting season.

As long as we have 30 or more wins I consider it a success!

Posted by: kevenjones

Nothing about NY or Charlotte impresses me so much that I don't think it's at least possible for the Wiz to get the 8th seed. I ultimately don't think they will, but it's not because the competition (NY, Charlotte, Detroit, Indiana, etc) is so impressive.

And you always get to the playoffs if you can, because you never know what happens, either in the playoffs, or the draft. As it stands, Boston isn't that bad of a matchup (as 1/8 or 2/7 seeds go) for the Wiz.

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Dave,

Are you saying if both stay healthy the Wizards are a playoff team?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 20, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm saving up for 2011-12. With another top three pick in the front-line, I think the club will begin a steady ascent in the S.E.

McGEE needs to stop growing up, and continue growing out while learning the NBA game for real. I do think he's up to the task.

BLATCHE is moody, but I feel sure he thinks he's all that, and is gonna' prove it this season. Good. The sooner the better.

Wall will learn. he's gonna' be a great player for a long time barring the old WIZARDS curse of course.

THORNTON will be a valuable asset in my opinion. He comes to play and has his moments of excellence.

JOSH HOWARD is anybody's guess. Unless he's completely healthy, I don't think he'll be nearly as effective as he once was.

HINRICH will spot up here and there as an effective player on occasion.

Doesn't seem GA wants to play ball, and become part of the team. Maybe a few months in he'll come around. It would be out of character to shut up and play excellent ball through. He still thinks it's all about the entertainment value, and not the team. Got no use for his antics, but we're stuck with the fool.

YOUNG just doesn't get it, and having GIL around to be a role model is going to destroy his NBA career.

LI is soft in the post and will not stand up to that style of play imho of course.

ARMSTRONG should get lots of play in his stead. Hopefully, he wants to be a rebounder inside.

BOOKER obviously is a banger, and would benefit by getting lots of PT. He could become an excellent defender and rebounder with NBA exposure. Question is will this coach permit that?

N-DIAYE and SERAPHIN need work, they are not NBA ready at this point.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 20, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is Trevor Booker just a glorified Dominic Mcguire?

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | October 20, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is Trevor Booker just a glorified Dominic Mcguire?

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq

It's just you. Dom is athletic and skilled, but not as strong or physical as Booker.

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

And for the record, Charlotte, Milwaukee, and New York are all a joke. If Gilbert is healthy and Josh Howard returns to full strength before the AS break there is no conceivable reason the Wiz don't make the playoffs. Granted, those are huge "if's", but let's not act like its actually hard to make the playoffs in the East.

The key for the Wizards is to get out to a hot start and convince themselves that they can play with anybody. If they go out and start losing early, it'll be a "we stink" mindset and could get ugly fast. That's where the team needs veteran leadership it doesn't have.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | October 20, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

ts35 - I watched Booker play a ton last year at Clemson and it seemed to me like all he did was jack up 3s... I just can't shake the image of Landon Milboure eating his lunch at Comcast and forcing him into a 2-16 shooting night. I hope he proves me wrong, seems like he's hungry and has a high-motor, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I really wish we would've kept James Singleton. That guy was a serious difference maker, can't believe he's not in the league right now... I guess we just didn't offer enough cash.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | October 20, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

there is no conceivable reason the Wiz don't make the playoffs
Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq

Rebounding concerns, outside shooting concerns, a rookie PG who might turn the ball over too much, bigs who float away from the basket too much and/or the guards don't get them the ball enough....

There are plenty of conceivable reasons.....

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't Trevor Booker become effective in a way somewhat like Shawn Marion. Marion may have him by an inch or so but if Trevor can hustle on D, fight for as many boards as possible and create a problem in transition with his speed I could imagine that.

Posted by: gmac78 | October 20, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Morrison's shooting touch is largely a myth as far as I can tell, CMartin is a much better player. In terms of what they bring to the table other than fan appeal...Morrison is probably at the very bottom of the depth chart. Or just ahead of Sean Marks.

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

ts35 - I watched Booker play a ton last year at Clemson and it seemed to me like all he did was jack up 3s... I just can't shake the image of Landon Milboure eating his lunch at Comcast and forcing him into a 2-16 shooting night. I hope he proves me wrong, seems like he's hungry and has a high-motor, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I really wish we would've kept James Singleton. That guy was a serious difference maker, can't believe he's not in the league right now... I guess we just didn't offer enough cash.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq

According to his stats, Booker attempted 34 3's in 32 games, so basically one a game. I guess he saved them all for the games you watched? He did have 7 attempts combined in the two Maryland games. He did go 2-16 in that one game. Of course he also had 16 rebounds.

His scouting report did say he became more perimeter-oriented last year, but part of that has to be due to what he had to work with on that Clemson team, i.e. not much. He's obviously still adjusting to the NBA, but already I think we've seen from him what he expects to be his calling card...physical, high-energy play.

I don't think anyone's expecting him to be an All-Star PF or even a big-time scorer, just a tough, rebounding, defending forward. The only advantage I see James Singleton having right now (also an undersized PF btw) is that he has a better jumper, which is usually something big men develop over time in the NBA, and Singleton has a few more years under his belt.

The fact that no team in the NBA was willing to outbid a Chinese team for Singelton's services essentially says all that needs to be said.

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Morrison's shooting touch is largely a myth as far as I can tell, CMartin is a much better player. In terms of what they bring to the table other than fan appeal...Morrison is probably at the very bottom of the depth chart. Or just ahead of Sean Marks.

Posted by: divi3

As far as I have seen, his touch isn't a myth, he shoots a really pretty shot. He just hasn't demonstrated enough ability (to me at least) to actually get shots in the NBA, either in creating his own, or in consistently being in spots on the floor to be open when someone else creates an opportunity. Pretty much makes all the touch in the world useless.

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

How long have we waited for AB, McGee and NY to put together consistent efforts?

I can specifically remember a preseason game against Dallas at VC in JMs rookie season. He hit several turnaround jumpers, blocked some shots into the stands, leaped out of the gym, and generally caused a "holy $h!t, we may have something here" murmur from the crowd.

He ended up averaging 15mins his rookie season, more beneficial than having sent him to the DLeague.

KS hasn't shown anything yet. If you keep him up but never play him...what's the point in that? But if you promised no DLeague...do you just throw him on the floor regardless?

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

KS hasn't shown anything yet. If you keep him up but never play him...what's the point in that? But if you promised no DLeague...do you just throw him on the floor regardless?


Yes. He's got 6 fouls to give so why not give the guy time against Dwight Howard on opening night? He'll get schooled but he'll be physical and leave the floor with some real nba experience against one of the best.

I love watching Milwaukee, Chicago and Atlanta go with a deep rotation and wonder why Flip is so reluctant to do so. We have youth, energy and athleticism like never before so what's stopping us?

Posted by: spoooooooon | October 20, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Booker's height isn't necessarily a killer if he can compensate for it. Chuck Hayes 6'7", Jason Mxiell 6'7", Brandon Bass 6'8", DeJuan Blair, 6'8", all play PFs. However, none of the above players is drafted as high as Booker and Booker hasn't shown enough capability inside in summer league and preseason. Don't see he can hold for his position inside as well as those players. Hopefully, he can develop.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 20, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

sagaliba,

I believe Ernie doesn't understand how to put a championship team together. The Wizards lack a big man who can use his body on the blocks, yes DeJuan Blair is 6'8"and Trevor Booker 6'7" but Booker couldn't stop Blair done low.

Blatche and McGee start while Yi and Booker are thier backups...who is the big man who can on play down low on this team?

K. Seraphin...

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Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 20, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I can specifically remember a preseason game against Dallas at VC in JMs rookie season. He hit several turnaround jumpers, blocked some shots into the stands, leaped out of the gym, and generally caused a "holy $h!t, we may have something here" murmur from the crowd.

And two years later, that's still pretty much what we have..........

As for KS, it depends on what they're seeing. If he's having problems just being in the right spots and the defensive rotations, knowing the offense and defense, he might as well work on that with the big club. If his problems are more fundamental or basic than that, then maybe you consider trying to convince him the d-league is a good idea.

We've pretty much seen that Flip is loathe to play guys who don't know the plays. Not sayng that is or isn't the case with KS, it just may be a reason why he sees the court less. Personally, I haven't seen enough of KS to be able to say either way.

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

That being said, it was definitely foolish of EG to make that kind of promise if it was in fact made.

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Has EG ever sent a player to the D-League?

Posted by: djnnnou | October 20, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Ramos

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Ramos

TY. I forgot about him. I wonder why Pech didn't go. Location?

Posted by: djnnnou | October 20, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Or because it never looks good sending first rounders to the D-League. Not sure. I think there can be some benefit to sending players there, but having to eat up a roster spot on the main roster makes it tough. And (I think we debated this this summer) there is no proven track record of success with sending players there. The teams that have had some success have a different / better / more direct relationship with their affiliate.

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

And two years later, that's still pretty much what we have

I see noticeable improvement from JM, but maybe it's me wanting to see it.

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"And two years later, that's still pretty much what we have
I see noticeable improvement from JM, but maybe it's me wanting to see it.
Posted by: divi3"


He has shown "noticeable improvement" but many here don't want to admit to that fact as he's not a traditional 5, he's a unique player who offers a lot that hasn't been seen before.

Soon they will see what we see.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 20, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"And two years later, that's still pretty much what we have
I see noticeable improvement from JM, but maybe it's me wanting to see it.
Posted by: divi3"


He has shown "noticeable improvement" but many here don't want to admit to that fact as he's not a traditional 5, he's a unique player who offers a lot that hasn't been seen before.

Soon they will see what we see.
Posted by: zxhoya

Can we please stop with the violins every time someone dares to say that McGee hasn't delivered on his potential yet? There has been improvement, but he still is more potential right now than actuality.

The overall point was that most players, especially bigs take time to develop. Meanwhile KS is being judged based on what he 'hasn't shown' in his first preseason coming off of an injury and no Summer League.

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"Can we please stop with the violins every time someone dares to say that McGee hasn't delivered on his potential yet? There has been improvement, but he still is more potential right now than actuality.
Posted by: ts35

Can you stop crying EVERY TIME someone praises the kid, you are sick with the antijavalelism although your stance is softening the more he improves. You know,expected improvement with experience and maturity.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 21, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Can you stop crying EVERY TIME someone praises the kid, you are sick with the antijavalelism although your stance is softening the more he improves. You know,expected improvement with experience and maturity.

Posted by: zxhoya

Really? Is that what I'm doing? Much like you do with JaVale, I think you're making up your own story. And meanwhile, while everyone is quick to jump on the train of "JaVale just needs time to mature", I was just asking for the same courtesy to be extended to some of the other young players like KS. That seems to be the problem with all of the JaValophiles. If a player can't jump and block shots like JaVale (who can?) then he must be a bust.

As for my opinion on JaVale, it has always been pretty measured and largely remains unchanged. He's a tremendous athletic talent who needs to work on his strength, consistency and fundamentals. Is that "Antijavaleism?" It looks like he worked on his strength in the offseason, we'll see if it was enough. Especially through his work with Team USA, he also put in work on his fundamentals, and we'll see how much he has progressed.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I was simply co-signing div3 statement: "And two years later, that's still pretty much what we have
I see noticeable improvement from JM, but maybe it's me wanting to see it."

I feel there some on here that don't believe he's a prospect at the 5 because he doesn't have the girth of Shaq or D. Howard, because he was green as all get out. It seems that some want him to fail to prove their point.

Everytime I or someone praises the young man, there's always a negative response about over hyping. I as a Javalophile, believe he has the most potential on the team and HE will be the biggest factor in the Wiz reaching that level I think we all want for this team. (along with JWall)

And I agree that the young players, (KS, HN and Booker) need time to learn the game and mature.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 21, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

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