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Gilbert Arenas to sit out tonight

UPDATE: Gilbert Arenas said after the game that he faked a knee injury so Nick Young could start. Follow the link to read Arenas's comments after the Wizards' 107-92 win over the Atlanta Hawks.

Gilbert Arenas's much anticipated return to Verizon Center is on hold for at least several more days after Coach Flip Saunders said before tonight's game against Atlanta that the three-time all-star guard wouldn't be in the lineup because of soreness in his left knee.

Arenas had been scheduled to make his first on-court appearance at Verizon Center since he was suspended for the final 50 games of last season for bringing guns into the locker room.

"His knee is acting up, a little sore," Saunders said. "Looks like he's probably going to sit tonight, so he won't play."

Arenas has not played a game at Verizon Center since Jan. 2, when he scored 23 points and heard some boos during introductions the day after news of his gun dispute with former teammate Javaris Crittenton became public.

With Arenas out, Saunders said he would go with a essentially a three-guard starting lineup comprising John Wall, Kirk Hinrich and Nick Young along with Yi Jianlian and Andray Blatche in the front court. That lineup is substantially different than the one that began last regular season after former starters Antawn Jamison, Brendan Haywood and Caron Butler were traded.

By Gene Wang  | October 12, 2010; 6:36 PM ET
Categories:  Gilbert Arenas, John Wall, Kirk Hinrich  
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Saunders said he would go with a essentially a three-guard starting lineup comprising John Wall, Kirk Hinrich and Nick Young

I think he is doing it for you larry

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 12, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Saunders is an idiot,,,I;m telling youall right now! The wizards will be way woese than they could be. Just like last year.

Posted by: bobilly2 | October 12, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young looks solid to say the least. Haters are awfully quiet right now.

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

bobilly2

Don't you remember last year wasn't Flip's fault it was the way the stars were aligned?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 12, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Young and McGhee can't get a break from Saunders

Posted by: bobilly2 | October 12, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Bulletfan

I know..it took him 3/4 of the season to figure out Blatche and McGhee could play and he still doesn't give Mghee any credit. Look at his output versus his minutes.

Posted by: bobilly2 | October 12, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Sick play by McGee.

Steal, behind the back dribble, nice handle and slam.

He's a talent folks.

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Why should JaVale have to get rid of his style Flip?

Stop micro-managing players and let them get into a comfort zone. Just because he salutes and hi-fives doesn't mean he isn't professional or hard-working.

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young so far:

19 minutes, 15 points, 2 steals and 3/4 from distance.

Yeah, let's trade him...idiots.

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Sick play by McGee.

Steal, behind the back dribble, nice handle and slam.

He's a talent folks.

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

By kal's standard McGee should be teaching Wall how to run a fast break?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 12, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

elfreako

NY 31 mins 10-14 4-7 24 pts = 4 mins next game

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 12, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah BF78, Flip will mention something negative to mess with his head in postgame.

How about saying this for once Flip:
"Nick should bottle that up and bring it every night. That's what we need from him."

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

It looks like the crazies are running the asylum at the moment.

NY is an occasional rotation player - specifically when his shot is falling since he does ZERO else on the court. And, McGee will get plenty of playing time this season. He is still raw and will still have plenty of bad plays to offset the plays that make you say wow, but he is progressing. Ironically, it's Flip Saunder's suggestion to have McGee tested for asthma that has had a lot to do with his sustained improvement on the court. Now he can withstand enough minutes to improve.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 12, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse


It was really nice to see everyone sharing the ball tonight and to see Nick finally get his game going. It'll be interesting to see what his minutes and production look like next game. As everyone knows, with Nick it's about being consistent. Yes, I know it's hard to be consistent without consistent minutes but the stalemate between him and Flip has to be broken.

Posted by: and_1 | October 12, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young had ZERO assists and ZERO rebounds. Oh boy.

Posted by: and_1 | October 12, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Occasional rotation player?

Yeah Nick's defense and steals didn't impact the game at all.

He's only the 2nd best perimeter shooter on the team.

What game are you watching rphilli721?

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse


Nick is great at scoring (about every 5th or 6th game) and does little else. Jordan Crawford was his guy tonight, right? I didn't see much in the way of great defense from him.

Hard to believe that Nick was the only starter from either team not to record an assist or rebound. And he played 30 minutes. He's the definition of a role player whom you play when he's hot and sit when he's not because he does nothing else.

Great game from our bigs as far as keeping balls alive and hitting the boards.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | October 12, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young had ZERO assists and ZERO rebounds. Oh boy.

Posted by: and_1 | October 12, 2010 9:30 PM

I'm not sure how he manages to be on the floor 35mins and not get a single rebound...but he did look active defensively, and that's enough when his shot is falling.

Cartier looked much superior to Morrison, as far as that battle goes.

He only got a few mins...but man, Seraphin doesnt look like he belongs on the big club yet. Hopefully we get a better look in one of these upcoming games.

Posted by: divi3 | October 12, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

What game are you watching rphilli721?

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2010 9:31 PM

The one out of four games that Nick decides to show up?

Posted by: creativefunk | October 12, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I think YI is the steal of the year,

He looks godd every time he is in the game

Posted by: whobet | October 12, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I think YI is the steal of the year

Go ERNIE

Posted by: whobet | October 12, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I think YI is the steal of the year

Go ERNIE

Posted by: whobet

Uh...preseason. Hold off on the All-Star voting till the New Year, amigo.

Posted by: creativefunk | October 12, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Cartier looked much superior to Morrison, as far as that battle goes.

He had a better all around game than Morrison and finished with a respectable +22.

I think YI is the steal of the year, He looks godd every time he is in the game

I agree. Maybe his play elevates JaVale's?
His +19 tonight wasn't too shabby either.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | October 12, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Didn't see the game, but is John Wall shooting too much? I don't know that he should be leading the team in shots.

Posted by: amalg | October 12, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

So steals and 3s don't impress people these days?

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

So steals and 3s don't impress people these days?

Posted by: elfreako

Sure, combined with consistency and nightly effort. Next...

Posted by: creativefunk | October 12, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

So steals and 3s don't impress people these days?Posted by: elfreako

For me, steals and blocks are meaningless stats when a team shoots over 50%.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 12, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Getting back to the blog topic, I think we're going to see a lot of this for the upcoming season. Gilby will probably miss a lot of games due to knee soreness, and he may be allowed to sit out back to back games. Not something good for a guy who's supposedly fully healed with a great summer of working with Grover again.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 12, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

What game are you watching rphilli721?

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2010 9:31 PM

The one out of four games that Nick decides to show up?

Posted by: creativefunk | October 12, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Your analysis is flawed aready, Nick had a good game in Chicago (18 points in 17 minutes) along with tonights game. Flip Saunders has had a big impact on NIck's supposed inconsistent play. The comments about no assists is unfair in the context of his role and the fact that the Wizards essientially have two point guards dominating the ball. Also, Blatche, who is a good passer, is a secondary ballhandler in the half court offense. It's hard to get assists in a game where you are a catch and shoot guard and you get minimal assists (see Ray Allen). If you look at his efficiency (10 of 14 shooting) he only had 4 opportunities to assist on a basket. Further, the coaches have clearly told this kid to get the ball in the two guards hands.

The rebounding stat is bogus as well in the context of this game. The Wizards shot close to 60 % and the Hawks shot a high oercentage as well. There simply were minimal opportunities for rebounding after the bigs got theirs.

By the way, Crawford was guarded by Wall and Heinrich for the most part, not Nick Young. Nick was assigned to Joe Johnson.

Lastly, Wall is taking an inordinate amount of shots and appears to be holding the ball at length in the half court sets.
This team has a solid talent base if the organization will let these guys play.

Posted by: NewManagement | October 12, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't able to see the game, but 106 The Fan was giving great props to Nick Young for playing well and that he might very well be that outside scorer off the bench that this team could really use.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Nice game by Young.

Let's hope he doesn't disappear for the next two weeks (as has been his record).

When he's hitting his jumper, he's a nice player. If he's not hitting his jumper he's completely useless. No rebounding, no defensive pressure, no assists, no disruption of the other team. Nada.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 12, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

This team has a solid talent base if the organization will let these guys play.

Posted by: NewManagement

Uh, that wasn't my analysis. I was only commenting on Nick's m.o. with regards to effort thus far in his career. I don't expect Nick to pass or rebound. Talk to rphilli72, captain.

Posted by: creativefunk | October 12, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

NICK IS A STARTER, PLAN AND SIMPLE.

Posted by: maejude | October 12, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Good evaluation NewManagement. Honest objective opinions have a way of standing up on the page.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

...please name one NBA team that should start NY on opening day. I can't think of one. Neither can Ernie or Ted, otherwise NY would be long gone by now. Mr one trick pony (otp), king of the goofballs, no longer has a place on this team. OTP will not be resigned after this season.

Posted by: oddjob1 | October 12, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

...don't think Flip will be able to keep Yi out of the starting lineup for long. The Wiz second team looks pretty bad, even in this game. The reg season rotation is going to be very tight, with extensive minutes to the top 6. If/when any go down with injury, not sure how the Wiz can win a game...

Posted by: oddjob1 | October 12, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse


Your analysis is flawed aready, Nick had a good game in Chicago (18 points in 17 minutes) along with tonights game.

Nick got those points in Chicago in garbage time when the outcome of the game had already been decided. He stunk prior to that 4th quarter when everybody was paying attention to him and the game was still structured.

The comments about no assists is unfair in the context of his role and the fact that the Wizards essentially have two point guards dominating the ball.

Gil has been playing with Wall and Hinrich (two point guards) and yet he has someway, somehow managed to get assists every game. Blatche even managed to get 4 assists. No excuse for Nick not get one. None.

The rebounding stat is bogus as well in the context of this game. The Wizards shot close to 60 % and the Hawks shot a high oercentage as well. There simply were minimal opportunities for rebounding after the bigs got theirs.

Amazing that every other starter managed to overcome the high shooting percentages and rebound the ball. Nick was the only player to play more than six (6:00) minutes and not snare a rebound. That is sad.

I think Nick has a role on the team, but that's all he has. A role. He's a situational player and should and will be used as such.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | October 12, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

think Nick has a role on the team, but that's all he has. A role. He's a situational player and should and will be used as such.

That type of logical thinking isn't allowed here.

He's Michael Jordan and Oscar all in one if Saunders would only let him.

Same for the rest of the team. Saunders is preventing all of them from making the Hall of Fame.

Or something.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 12, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

@oddjob1,

It is always amazing to me that NBA teams are comprised of 15 men per team and on every night you can play 12 of them if you so choose.

The amazing part is that so few Teams/coaches really take advantage of having 12 players available every gamenight.

They shorten the rotation because it is easier to coach 6-8 players and a lot of times it has nothing to do with the talents of the rest of the bunch.

I remember seeing MJ on the bench in plenty or games whilst Scottie Pippen anchored the 2nd unit and MJ would come back in the game and seal the deal.

That competitive fire that Phil Jackson always kept going with his subs boded well for his team.

A lot of times MJ would be pulled when the Bulls were behind and the subs would even up the game. It happened numerous times and numerous times MJ would return to the game to seal the deal.

Do you think that Flip Saunders has any clue on how to turn his subs into an asset for his games, or is he just stuck on having 6-7 players swim or sink?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

True Washington sport fans, let give it up for the Texas Ranger (Washington Senators) who have just won their first post season series.

Yes, I have been told I am not a true fan because I at time disagree with the old Wizard organization.

It's funny now that the Rangers have finally got an ownership group who are committed to winning and hired the right people to run the organization to win.

Maybe there is hope for the Wizards once Ted gets a clue and fires Ernie and Flip!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 12, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

...Flip will be a Flop at developing young players. He keeps trying to not so subtly claim he had something to do with Garnett developing, which he did not. And after that he's got nothing else in his resume concerning grooming young players. This does not bode well for players 7-10 on the Wiz bench. I love Sam I Am on the bench, he sounds like a great help to the youngsters who want to learn and grow. I hope Ted finds a relatively young firey head coach just a few years older than Sam I Am, so they can grow the team together. I like Sam as an assistant, just no as a head coach for 3-4 years perhaps. The only way Ernie stays is if he gets a strong right hand guy who can evaluate players in the draft...and actually Ernie cant stay, as his style of building champions is not Ted's style, clearly. And Ernie has shown us, he knows only one way. He put all his eggs in that one basket and they ALL broke. So who is equivalent to the Caps' undertaker in the NBA??? Thats who the Wiz need on board at GM for next summer's lottery...Btw, anyway the Wiz can lock up Yi and KH for another 2-3 years before they go free agent?

Posted by: oddjob1 | October 12, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

It seems Gilbert faked his injury so that Nick Young could get some playing time. More drama from Gil.

Posted by: dcwizard | October 12, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

...one comment on Morrison. That white boy needs to take a good long look in the mirror. The only way he is going to even earn a situational role on any NBA team is to totally remake himself into an a-the-lete. The much despised JJReddick did it, much to my chagrin. He had to change from a puffy little cry-baby to a lean mean stroking machine, to make it in the NBA. Morrison needs to stop trying to look like the late great lizard king, reshape and seriously strengthen his body, less than 10% body fat, must improve latterall quickness by being extremely lean...and shave all that beautiful hair off. You're not in gonzaga-ga land anymore. Maybe come back to the Wiz next summer camp, once you have truly touched the sun...

Posted by: oddjob1 | October 13, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't think it makes much difference if Nick Young gets a rebound or assist in a game like that. Hit his shots and he'll pay his way to a role off the bench.

Hinrich had 8 assists and zero TOs in 25 minutes -- that's why he's out there on the floor, folks. It allows Wall the freedom to do his thing.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

So I guess Gilbert decided on his own to fake an injury and give his teammate some court time. Guess he felt it was better for the coaches not to be involved.

How'd you like to coach that guy? Think Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson, or Pat Riley would appreciate that level of assistance from one of his players?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Nick Young.

Posted by: maejude | October 13, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

I hate to see the Wizards cut anyone on this team. From Martin, Hudson, Morrison, N'daye, and Palmer, they all look good and are competing. I would like to see N'daye practice all year with this team. He can be a defensive and rebounding force in the future. This Hawks team has beaten the Wizards nine straight games and we led by 15 most of the game. I also worry about Flip's coaching attitude. This is pre-season and I hope we are not letting young talent get away because we are not getting a good look at them. I also do not understand Thompson and Burrough predicting only 35 wins for this team. This team is already better than last years Miami Heat team, and maybe better than this years. When the teams start running, the Wizards are tough to beat. Miami looks like a human highlight film in practice, but that wont be as easy with our length, athleticism, and skill set. We can not survive coming down the floor and jacking up long shots all night. Hinrich, Wall and Hudson must control that.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | October 13, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Message to Sampson151, dcwizard, and whomever think Gil faked his injury. WHAT DOES GIL HAVE TO PROVE IN A PRESEASON GAME? Gil is not even the story, the real story is how NY stepped up and gave up some quality minutes, how Ernie finally got it right with Ji (must admit, didn't like the move at the time). All the arm chair GM's here seem to wanna jump on Ji's sack now after hating on the move as well. Wiz will win 45+ games this year and will be 6 or 7 seed in the east. Unlike NFL preseason, NBA tells alot about the season to come. Flip knows what he has in Gil and needs to see what he has to trim this roster here shortly. Damn Gil, not playing and still the story! Heard Comcast SportsNet say Gil is among the TOP 10 Players in the League . . . The Leauge?

Posted by: zack5 | October 13, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm just saying, look like something good out there!

Posted by: zack5 | October 13, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

If NY wants to silence the hatred he needs to show CONSISTENCY. String together quality efforts on both ends of the floor for extended stretches of th year. Obviously he has the talent, but flashes of brilliance aren't good enough anymore.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | October 13, 2010 1:30 AM | Report abuse

No one should undermine the offenssive talent of NY,specially when he find the net.The problem is ,as 6.7 man he need to do better on the other aspect of the game.0 assist 0 rebound is not a good sign.He did a good job in the perimeter defense and stay with his man.I grade his defense last night as "B" and his offense as "A" but i will continue to tell him to play team game.
The wiz should not make a mistake by taking morrison over martin, he is an all rounded player who has been in the club for a while, he does a lot of little things, he does not even demand for the ball.They can keep morrison but it should not be at the expense of martin and hadson.I like what i saw on booker. Yi is an ovious steal.People think it is preseaon game but he is determined to focus, he was the only player to have a 20, 10 in the world cup.

Posted by: gtefferra | October 13, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Dude, what is up with you and Arenas!! I mean really, did he do something personal to you or something! Areans was clearly joking and playing around with Nick Young. That is why he won't say much to you guys. You blow up EVERYTHING the man says. Geeze! Anyway... what a great game that was. Still somethings to work on but to be expected. I loved Javale's game! Hope he brings it like that every night. Great game overall. They put the foot down and didn't let up.

Posted by: ivyleague | October 13, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

The man puts up 24 points and folks are complaing about what he DIDN'T do!

Nick Young is not on this roster to distribute the ball. He is, plain and simple, a scoring swingman. I agree that he should work on his rebounding. But Nick is paid by the Wizards to torch opposing off-guards and small forwards with his patented array of midrange and three-point jumpers. And don't forget, Nick can take it to the rack and deliver a facial. I remember him serving up LeBron.

Given sufficient playing time, Young could take on the role of a Kyle Korver. What team doesn't have a role for a flat-out scorer? Outside of Gilbert, John Wall, and maybe Blatche, only Nick Young brings a pure scorer's mentality to this team. If Flip handles him correctly, he is an asset.

Posted by: musicmanjr | October 13, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

I still cannot believe that people believe that Gil faked an injury. Come on people. Even when Gil doesn't play he gets a lead story. What about writing about the breakout game from Javale or how well Wall performed in his first home game or the lack of fans at the game? Anything but the constant Gil stories. Jeeze.

Go Wizards!! Like what I see from Cartier Martin too and I thought I saw Josh Howard at the game as well.

Posted by: ivyleague | October 13, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

"I still cannot believe that people believe that Gil faked an injury. posted by ivyleague"

I thought he 'fessed up to that. See the link at the top.

So your theory is that when Gilbert says he was faking, he's just, well, faking?

Really, how do you think Greg Popovich would react to one of his stars faking injury? Or Avery Johnson?

So the coach has to get up there in front of the media and tell them Gil's knee is sore just so Gil can turn around and confess a few hours later that he faked it?

I just don't know how you coach a guy like that.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

To me the most impressive thing I saw last night was the three big man rotation of Big B, Yi, and McGee. Yi seemed to move seamlessly from starting at center and moving to power forward next to McGee.

Of the three, Blatche is clearly behind on his conditioning, but other then that he's not showing any ill effects of the foot injury. Yi's shot wasn't dropping last night, but he really was active on the boards and played a very efficent game.

After a good summer of positive signs both Yi and McGee are showing they're ready to fight for minutes up front. McGee's signature move seems to be that swooping hook shot that he's got a nice touch on. Quess we could call it a "swook shot from the big wookie".

The Wiz are still going to struggle with big strong frontlines, but their combo of length and quickness is going to cause some people trouble too. Yi is doing a nice job a center, he's playing more physical and moving smoother on the court then I've ever seen him play before.

Nick Young did the best job I've ever seen of getting his shots in the flow of the offense and confidently stroking them through. No herky jerky jab step and then a fall away on a wide open jumper, just a nice clean confident quick release. If he can keep that up he can gain a rotation spot as the shooter of the bench.

He's got to score to be effective because he's sure not a glue guy like Hinrich is. You've got to have both types of players to win in the NBA. If Flip succeeds in cleaning Nick's game up and making him into a real NBA shooter he does deserve some credit. Now Nick needs to build on this game and realize he'll get lots of catch and shoot opportunities in this offense.

Hinrich just does everything it takes to win. He's keeping the ball moving on offense even though our point guard can get a little dribble and shot happy. Boy, have we heard that one before...

But Wall is just the real deal as far as an NBA point guard. Those arms and hands are really something, did you see him pick Etan's pocket? Wall's shot still could use some work, but when he gets that going he's going to really be an elite player. He's close already and he hasn't played an NBA game yet.

Booker looks small when he's playing next to the Wiz's 7'+ guys, but he's really a quite decent player. He did a nice job in his limited minutes, very good positional rebounder and he's active defensively. He'll be hovering around that 8-9 spot in the rotation, we might not see a lot of him early, but I see him playing a role this year.

I'd agree, Morrison sure didn't take the time that he had the last two years while he was on LA's bench to build an NBA body. He does still have that nice pure stroke, but offers little else. In a few short years he'll be starring in somebody's over 35 Y league.

I'm glad Yi's shown us more then we expected because Seraphin seems to be a ways off. He sure looks like he has an NBA body, he looks smooth and explosive in warmups but is still green.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | October 13, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

"Given sufficient playing time, Young could take on the role of a Kyle Korver. What team doesn't have a role for a flat-out scorer?"

Korver's a shooter, not a scorer. His career average is just under 10 points a game. He's in there to open up the offense with the threat of the 3 pointer.

So you think that's Nick's role?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

"WHAT DOES GIL HAVE TO PROVE IN A PRESEASON GAME? posted by zach5"

How about that he's a participating member of the Washington Wizards?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Korver's a shooter, not a scorer. His career average is just under 10 points a game. He's in there to open up the offense with the threat of the 3 pointer.

So you think that's Nick's role?

From what I've been reading, a lot of the posters on this board would like to see Nick Young released! I think that anytime Nick Young has the ball in his hands, he is a threat to score. He is, in my opinion, more than just a shooter. He's athletic and can drive to the hoop. Also, with his length, he presents matchup problems for smaller 2-guards. I think that he is our best "first man off the bench" player.

Posted by: musicmanjr | October 13, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

John Wall had 2reb, KH had 1. So why are people ripping NY for having none in game where the opponent shot over 50%? Last night he played the "Rip" role we had heard about last season, came off screens and sank shots. Was active defensively. He hit 4-7 3pters on a team that is supposedly searching for long distance shooters....and still people complain. I dont get it.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad Yi's shown us more then we expected because Seraphin seems to be a ways off. He sure looks like he has an NBA body, he looks smooth and explosive in warmups but is still green.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | October 13, 2010 8:16 AM

Yi is playing better than he ever has before, really a great find if he keeps it up. Not the same player who couldnt stick on the Bucks and Nets. Funny, Yao has previously criticized him (in china) for not being mature etc etc. Who would really know if you dont speak Chinese? Perhaps he's grown up a bit.

Although someone made the very good point he's been playing all summer and may simply be ahead of everyone else right now, so we'll see. However he's playing differently than previously, so it's very encouraging.

Very limited Seraphin sightings so far, but last night Etan looked bigger, stronger, and (gulp) more polished offensively.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

John Wall had 2reb, KH had 1. So why are people ripping NY for having none in game where the opponent shot over 50%? Last night he played the "Rip" role we had heard about last season, came off screens and sank shots. Was active defensively. He hit 4-7 3pters on a team that is supposedly searching for long distance shooters....and still people complain. I dont get it.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 8:35 AM

So when a guy plays the "Rip" role he doesn't have to rebound or pass? Surely that's not what you mean because Rip does both (2.5 per game).

Look, everybody's happy Nick finally hit some shots but he has not proven that he deserves to start (which is what I think people are getting at when bringing up his donuts in assists and rebounds). When he strings together a few good performances, then we can talk. More than one basketball analyst has atttributed his lack of assists and rebounding to just not being plugged into what's going on around him on the court. Flip will play him when he's hot and sit him when he's not.

Posted by: tgif11 | October 13, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

What the hell is wrong with Gilbert Arenas?

Jesus, I thought he learned to appreciate professionalism when he was serving time this past year.

Good lord, this man is a moron. Nothing changes.

Posted by: psps23 | October 13, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young is the Garabage man.

He is a NBA player. NBA player are suppose to rebound, pass, play Defense as well as shoot.

But most of the poster play NBA live and think their is only one element to the game of basketball shooting.

The double zeros in reb and assists is no suprise. It happen about 90% of the time during his career.

If you want to claim he is a shooter off the bench that's fine. But he in no way has proven that he is a NBA starter. It is isn't because of the coach being mean. It because of his game.

Nick Young 3 year career average 1.6 REB 0.9 APG. in a average 19 min a game.

Weak

Posted by: dcinmd1 | October 13, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"So when a guy plays the "Rip" role he doesn't have to rebound or pass? Surely that's not what you mean because Rip does both (2.5 per game)."

Hamilton is not out there for his rebounding, and often has 1 board or even none. NY avgs 1.6rebs in 19mins for his career. Rips avgs 3.3 in 33mins. Is that really such a big deal?

KH is not really a scorer, AB had a lousy shooting night, Yi only had 8pts....the team needed somebody to score and NY filled that role, but people complain about rebounding. I'm not seeing it, but that's just me.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

John Wall had 2reb, KH had 1. So why are people ripping NY for having none in game where the opponent shot over 50%? Last night he played the "Rip" role we had heard about last season, came off screens and sank shots. Was active defensively. He hit 4-7 3pters on a team that is supposedly searching for long distance shooters....and still people complain. I dont get it.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Not complaining. Just expecting consistency. Nick will show these flashes and disappear for a week.

realistically, he's not going to shoot like that every night or consistently. When he's not locked in and shooting out of his mind. How does he impact the game? 6'6" and that athletic but you can't grab a rebound? That's an effort thing.

So honestly...on those 0/7 or 2/9 nights Nick is going to have....what reason do you have to put him in the game?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 13, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

So honestly...on those 0/7 or 2/9 nights Nick is going to have....what reason do you have to put him in the game?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 13, 2010 9:47 AM

Like it's been said for several seasons: Defense. Consistently strong effort on D will keep him on the floor whether or not his shot is falling, imho, the reb/assts arent very important.

Despite all our guards getting a bit torched last night, it looked like NY showed the kind of defensive effort Flip expects.

We'll see, still the same old story for NY right now obviously

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad Yi's shown us more then we expected because Seraphin seems to be a ways off. He sure looks like he has an NBA body, he looks smooth and explosive in warmups but is still green.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv

Seraphin ain't green, he is still a seed. lol

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 13, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Seraphin ain't green, he is still a seed. lol

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 13, 2010 10:00 AM

May have been a miscalculation to promise him a spot on the Big club. We'll see with more PT, but so far he looks more suited to the DLeague

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Like it's been said for several seasons: Defense. Consistently strong effort on D will keep him on the floor whether or not his shot is falling, imho, the reb/assts arent very important.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I disagree. Rebounding is a TEAM thing. Not just let everybody else rebound. No reason for him to be the 2nd worst rebounding SG in the league. If you're 6'6" with the kind of jumping ability that Nick has...you should be able to hit the glass...even by accident. Assists means just making a good play. So if he's not hitting and playing defense but not rebounding or passing....why would they NOT play Hinrich instead? He'll play defense and can see the floor and grab a couple boards.

Since you say he's guaranteed playing time. Why shouldn't he get minutes over Nick?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 13, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Another example of Gil being a great person and a great TEAM player. He knows he's a top 15 player in the league, he knows he's going to start. He helped a well deserved friend/teammate out. Given the opportunity, Nick went out there and did his thing. Maybe a lack of professionalism, but i don't see how this is detrimental to the team at all. If anything it showcased an underplayed player(Young) and SHOULD make everyone aware of the type of person he is. Nick doesn't deserve the pine, he deserves starter minutes or sixth man minutes. THANK YOU ARENAS.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | October 13, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

why would they NOT play Hinrich instead? He'll play defense and can see the floor and grab a couple boards.

Since you say he's guaranteed playing time. Why shouldn't he get minutes over Nick?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 13, 2010 10:25 AM

Because he cant get his own shot off anymore. Cant finish with a wide open lane to the hoop in front him either. And yes, I do think he is a very solid player and like him at PG for sure. But, imho, the team's SG should be a threat to light it up. Not only are the points good, but it's important guys like Joe Johnson, DWade, ect have to defend their man rather than just tee up on offense.

Of course, if NY isnt putting in the effort defensively, he shouldnt be on the floor period.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Time to dump Aren-ass. No felons in the NBA

Posted by: 10bestfan | October 13, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Another example of Gil being a great person and a great TEAM player."

Yeah right.

It only proves that this team cannot rely on Gilbert Arenas anymore today then they could the last several years. Gill is "all about me."

Since when is it up to him to decide who plays and who does not play???

The Wiz proved last night that they are past him and he does not belong here anymore.

Gilbert still hasn't grown up or learned anything from last year. Time to dump this clown.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 13, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Because he cant get his own shot off anymore. Cant finish with a wide open lane to the hoop in front him either. And yes, I do think he is a very solid player and like him at PG for sure. But, imho, the team's SG should be a threat to light it up. Not only are the points good, but it's important guys like Joe Johnson, DWade, ect have to defend their man rather than just tee up on offense.

Of course, if NY isnt putting in the effort defensively, he shouldnt be on the floor period.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm saying even if he is playing defense but his shot is off. Why not play Hinrich? Hinrich brings more to the table anyway.

He can't get his shot off? That's not true. he just doesn't jack up shots. It's not his game.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 13, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse


Another example of Gil being a great person and a great TEAM player. He knows he's a top 15 player in the league, he knows he's going to start. He helped a well deserved friend/teammate out. Given the opportunity, Nick went out there and did his thing. Maybe a lack of professionalism, but i don't see how this is detrimental to the team at all. If anything it showcased an underplayed player(Young) and SHOULD make everyone aware of the type of person he is. Nick doesn't deserve the pine, he deserves starter minutes or sixth man minutes. THANK YOU ARENAS.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | October 13, 2010 10:34 AM

It was an "I'm bigger than the coach" thing for Arenas to do- if he's completely serious about it and Flip really did think his knee was sore. Not good on any level, and probably reflects some discontent with Flip tripping over himself to tell everyone KH and Wall are the best players on the team- after they've been in DC all of 5mins. Meanwhile NY/AB/JM cant buy any love.

Hopefully it's just a minor "Gil-ism" but could be a sign of bad things to come.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Missed the game last night, but strictly from the box score, it looks like the Mcgee/Yi/Blatche team had a good night of it. McGee isn't all the way there yet, but I'd say that is a good thing, seeing as he is as productive at 22 as Haywood was at 27. Only one personal fould shows he is learning and making progress.

Glad to see that nick got some minutes. A few days ago I suggested we let Nick start 5 games in a row and see if he can develop any consistency. One game and he brought it...at least the shooting touch. Hard to stomach any guy that can't get you a single board or assist, though...Says to me he is just looking out to get his and eff everyone else.

I am happy he showed he can still get his touch, though. there is always a role for a guy that can score, especially as the 6th or 7th guy on the depth chart. I won't be adding Nick to my fantasy team though.

WTH is wrong with Gil? Is he hurt or not? Is he a pathological liar? If you did fake it, why not just shut your pie hole and play it? Why open your mouth about it one way or another?

I feel like Gil is going to have a great season on the court. But I am afraid he is going to be a bit of a distraction, too. Maybe he can be like Rodman and we can all learn to let him be outrageous off court as long as he produces oncourt.

Its just bewildering why he is acting more and more liek Michael Jackson.

Posted by: Blurred | October 13, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

He can't get his shot off? That's not true. he just doesn't jack up shots. It's not his game.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 13, 2010 10:45 AM

Agree to disagree and we'll see throughout the course of this season. Hopefully you are right and I am wrong!

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

It was an "I'm bigger than the coach" thing for Arenas to do- if he's completely serious about it and Flip really did think his knee was sore. Not good on any level, and probably reflects some discontent with Flip tripping over himself to tell everyone KH and Wall are the best players on the team- after they've been in DC all of 5mins. Meanwhile NY/AB/JM cant buy any love.

Hopefully it's just a minor "Gil-ism" but could be a sign of bad things to come.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Flip didn't just say KH and Wall were the best players on the team. He put the three guards starting Wall, Arenas, Hinrich on the floor because he said all of them including arenas were the best players on the team. Also if Arenas did fake an injury to get NY playing time I think thats extremely stupid if it was in a regular season game. Had NY did terribly Arenas would have been regarded as the biggest idiot but its just a preseason game so lets just shrug our shoulders and move on.

I personally would be amazed by NY more if he EARNED his way to the starting line up when everyone was healthy.

Posted by: jefferu | October 13, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse


Another example of Gil being a great person and a great TEAM player. He knows he's a top 15 player in the league, he knows he's going to start. He helped a well deserved friend/teammate out. Given the opportunity, Nick went out there and did his thing. Maybe a lack of professionalism, but i don't see how this is detrimental to the team at all. If anything it showcased an underplayed player(Young) and SHOULD make everyone aware of the type of person he is. Nick doesn't deserve the pine, he deserves starter minutes or sixth man minutes. THANK YOU ARENAS.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | October 13, 2010 10:34 AM

Is this a joke?

If Arenas did fake an injury, it shows a lack of professionalism and integrity at best and insubordination at worst. This idiot still doesn't get the fact the coach decides lineups and that some of the people who paid to come to the game last night paid to see HIM.

This is precisely why I said weeks ago that Hinrich and Wall, the newest members of the Wizards, would be named captains. Gil still has a high goofball quotient and is simply too dense to understand that you don't lie to your boss about not being able to do your job and then go tell the media about with a wide grin on your face mere hours later.

He still lacks good judgement.

Posted by: artiesliver | October 13, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"Another example of Gil being a great person and a great TEAM player."

Are you serious?

God, fans have become even more delusional than I thought possible.

If any teammate of mine ever faked an injury to avoid playing, I'd rip him a new @sshole, then do anything in my power to make sure nobody ever trusted him again.

This latest act disgusts me. He should be fined for a breach of contract. If he ever did it again, I'd do everything in my power to cut him on the spot. I sure as hell hopes Saunders disciplines him big time.

Posted by: psps23 | October 13, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Flip didn't just say KH and Wall were the best players on the team."

Flip's made a point to say KH and Wall were the best in camp whenever anyone would listen, also talked about Armstrong outplaying Mcgee and how great Yi has been. Meanwhile little-to-nothing about the work AB/JM/NY have put in.

Which is all fine, he's the coach...i'm just speculating as to why Gil would do such a boneheaded thing

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The core of the team seems to be rounding into some focus.

Upfront Blatche(Big B), Yi, and McGee are starting to look like a solid 3 man rotation for at center and power forward.
Right now it looks like Booker would be the next guy at the 4, and Armstrong would the next guy at center.

Seraphin & N'Diaye would both seem to benefit from some D League time, but rumor was Seraphin got it in his contract that he couldn't be sent down, and Grunfeld seems to want H to sign somewhere else.

I'd keep them both, but send them to D League together. That's what I thought part of the reasoning behind taking N'Diaye was in the first place. It would give Seraphin someone who had been in the States awhile to work with. They both need seasoning, and they're going to get little NBA court time for awhile. Seraphin might not want to go down, but if the Wiz ever had a guy that could use some seasoning there, he might be it.

Using the D League to develop players is something this franchise has never really done, but Leonsis mentioned he'd like to see the Wiz do a better job there. Seraphin seems to be the first good candiate. To make good use of the D League for him, I'd think the Wiz might want to make sure that he gets some personal coaching, some help with language and cultural issues while he's down there. And sending another player under contract would be a good idea as well. I'd keep N'Diaye as the 14th or 15th guy and send him down with Seraphin.

Right now small forward is the question mark up front. I'd quess that Flip goes forward starting Hinrich for awhile. And Nick Young and Thorton are left scrambling for minutes. If Nick can come of screens and fire away like last night he could be working his way into a shooting reserve role.

When Howard comes back I look for him to move into the starting 3 role and Hinrich will become the 6th man as the first guy off the bench for all perimeter positions. Nick will be the second unit designated shooter/scorer if he continues to play like last night.

Blatche, Yi, McGee, Howard, Arenas, Wall, Hinrich, and Young look to be the top 8 rotation guys if everyone gets healthy. Thorton looks to be in that top 8 til Howard gets back, after that his minutes get limited as a 9-10 guy.

Close on the outside of the rotation I see Booker and Armstrong will be a veteran that will get minutes if there are injuries and foul problems up front.

Because of Nick's streakyness and lack of an overall game I think Cartier Martin makes the club as the 12th or 13th guy to have around. I think Lester Hudson has shown enough to make the club over canidiates that are here, but he could be competing against someone that's not in camp.

I'm sure Grunfeld is going to be watching cuts when teams like Miami try and get down to 15. They've got a couple of guys that will really be worth watching to see who makes the final cuts.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | October 13, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

not to mention, Flip named a rookie and an acquisition team capts after they'd barely been here while Gil/AB have been on the team for years.

Again, nothing wrong with that, Flip is the coach. However, it's natural it could cause a saltiness from the team's longer tenured players.

Posted by: divi3 | October 13, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Zero rebound and zero assist doesn't bother me. Yes it's good if you have the stats but stats don't show the whole picture. What if he made the effort to box out his man so that others can rebound? Or what if he rotates the ball and made the pass that in turn produce the pass for an assist. If the effort is there then I'm okay.

Posted by: Dave381 | October 13, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

If you watched Gilbert's post-game interview, instead of relying on Michael Lee's skewed version of events or Tracee Hamilton's bombast this morning, it's pretty obvious Gilbert was being facetious. The WAPO, determined to portray Gilbert as a lunatic (or Wilbon's favorite -- as a cancer -- an affront to anyone who actually has cancer, by the way) that it's lost its ability to distinguish fact from fiction. And Gilbert's the irresponsible, unprofessional one?

Posted by: Fief1 | October 13, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

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