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Open thread: Wizards (0-1) at Hawks (2-0)

The Wizards will try to rebound from their humiliating, 29-point loss in Orlando tonight against the Atlanta Hawks at Philips Arena. The Hawks are coming off a 104-101 victory last night in Philadelphia. Once again, you chat about the game in comments below or join the conversation on Twitter with beat writer Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 7 p.m.; TV: Comcast SportsNet; Radio: 106.7 FM.


By Michael Lee  | October 30, 2010; 6:55 PM ET
 
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NY went off on them in the Preseason so hopefully he has the confidence to play great again. Im looking for Dray to bounce back. I dont mind him sucking but he cant suck with that same style. Soft, no effort, slow, and shooting all fadeaway jumpers. People need to remember that we will look alot better with Gil & Howard back and everyone is in there normal roles. We still matchup well with this team and they will want to run. Wall can go off against them because they dont have a huge big to stop him from getting to the rim. We can win if we play right but it all depends on which Wiz team shows up. I still think our fans forget how good weve looked at times in the Preseason though. That last game was just a hiccup

Posted by: dlts2041 | October 30, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Same team it is as the one that played Orlando.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

All this screen setting for fouls is coming from lack of coaching.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I rather have the invisible show screens that McGee get highly criticized for.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

Just think if Flip had his way Kirk would be playing the SF spot and AT would have been on the bench...lucky for us Gil got hurt.

By the way people go Rangers/Senators...

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 30, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse


Not much changes with NBA officiating when the Wiz visit one of these arenas suffering from historically poor attendance. Wizards are being just as aggressive as the Hawks tonight, but so far, Hawks have been awarded twice as many free throws as the Wizards.

Posted by: and_1 | October 30, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

A. Blatche as our starting PF is going to be a problem. He believes he's a star but he's not physical or athletic enough to be so.
He's also not very bright (basketball wise)

JWall has a long way to go as he no one-on-one shake in the half court to break down his man and get in the paint .

Gil is the only player on this team that is a high NBA scorer, well maybe J. Howard

Posted by: zxhoya | October 30, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Lordy, NBA players not setting screens properly is the coaches' fault?

This is the NBA not junior high.

These guys were taught how to set screens when they were 10. As we all were.

If they're not doing it properly at this level it's not because of coaching.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 30, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

For those who think that McGee is just a PF, think again.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Not setting screens properly surely is coaching. The refs are calling it differently now and I am sure a memo went out to apprise the teams of such.

Teams getting called continually like the Wizs in the first half did not understand the memo.

If you think players don't know how to set screens in light of the fact you say they all learn it in junior high then why are they getting called for it know in the Pros.

Coaching my friend.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

called for it now... my gosh

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

you think players don't know how to set screens in light of the fact you say they all learn it in junior high then why are they getting called for it know in the Pros.

Is it possible that the players aren't executing what was coached? They're responsible?

Larry, sometimes I think you believe that if a player has his shorts on backwards that it's the coaches fault.

I'll consider criticism of Saunders but when it comes to elementary basics like failing to set a screen properly the player is reponsible.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 30, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Just think if Flip had his way Kirk would be playing the SF spot and AT would have been on the bench...lucky for us Gil got hurt.

By the way people go Rangers/Senators...

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 30, 2010 8:08 PM

Sure enough my good fellow. It is like they magnified whatever they thought was good about Hinrich to the detriment of any good play of anyoneelse.

I expect the Texans/Senators to win two straight and make this one of the best WS ever.

Glad to see you pumping it up bit. It is time to roll.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Why did Flip take Wall out at the 10 minute mark? Immediate 7-0 run by Atlanta after that.

Also, Blatche is HORRIBLE. I don't know what has happened to him.

Posted by: amorris525 | October 30, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I'll consider criticism of Saunders but when it comes to elementary basics like failing to set a screen properly the player is reponsible.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 30, 2010 8:58 PM

SteveMG,

This isn't about setting proper screens and knowing how. It is all about how the league is informing the refs to call it. What was proper screen setting last year isn't proper this year. That is a coaching curve my friend. What you do in practice you do in a game. Is it being corrected in practice according to the new guidelines?

When you get as many as the Wizs got you have to ask are they up on the new guidelines ref: setting screens.

Holla.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I guess Flip considers it to be a liability to have McGee in the game in crunch time. The Money Quarter. I have no quarrel with Yi being in the game with Blatche but my goodness you got to have McGee in the game to down the stretch in a game like this. The middle was wide open and with McGee in the game they had huge problems.

Flip is anything.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Much better effort tonight.

But Blatche took us out of the game when just under four minutes, down two with the ball and the momentum, he attempts a stupid pff balance turn around jump shot. He does sumthn stupid almost everygame that steals the momentum away and this time they never recovered..Just dumb because they had a chance to win this one...

Posted by: kevenjones | October 30, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

And let me add Yi was WIDE open with a much better look because Horford doubled down on blatche...just dumbness

Posted by: kevenjones | October 30, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

This is just a case of cream rising to the top the "Ernies" just don't have anyone to compete down the stretch of an NBA game and please stop expecting anything from the "serial skirt chaser" (AB) short of throwing up misguided jumpers at the wrong time,and by the way would it be too much to ask this coaching staff to try and impart some wisdom to Javale McGee concerning the nuances of playing the center position in the NBA three years after being drafted and he is as backward as was when he came out of college.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 30, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Anybody out there that really believes that Flip Saunders has this Team and that the Team believes in him, holla at me and tell me why this Team would jump in a fox hole with him.

Come on. Stand up for your man. Will this team jump in a fox hole with him?

Yes or No?

Doc Rivers, I'm jumping in a fox hole, Larry Brown, I'm jumping in a fox hole, Phil Jackson, I'm jumping in a fox hole, Erik Spoelsta, I'm jumping in a fox hole, Stan Van Gundy, I'm jumping in a fox hole, MARK JACKSON, I'm jumping in a fox hole,

Flip Saunders, I'm running my ass off as fast as far as I can get away.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm developing some serious hate for Flippery. He conceded this game by not puting Javale back in the game. The Hawks went right after Yi every time and Horford had his best stretch of the game.

Unless McGee was being punished for some type of insubordination he should have returned to the game to give us a fair chance at pulling out a victory on the road.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 30, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse


I don't understand Flip's love affair with Hinrich. He couldn't guard anybody tonight and Joe Johnson went OFF on him. And Flip still played him 41 minutes. I thought Hinrich was supposed to be hot stuff on defense? Whatever.

Blatche looks like he has regressed. He simply REFUSES to work in the paint and his shot selection looks about as bad as it has ever been. He has no patience on offense anymore. He and McGee combined for NINE turnovers tonight. That is completely unacceptable from our bigs and will all but assure that the Wizards will lose a lot of games.

Posted by: and_1 | October 30, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Blatche lacks explosiveness right now and understandably so. The dude had a broken foot all summer and just started playing competitive basketball 5 weeks ago. It's going to take some time for him to get back into shape. He does not have the explosiveness to drive to the basket so he's settling for jump shots.

Posted by: spades72 | October 30, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

"Larry, sometimes I think you believe that if a player has his shorts on backwards that it's the coaches fault.posted by SteveMcG"

Yes, a truly elite coach would have checked that prior to the game. Jockstraps, too.

You can bet Pat Riley and Larry Brown do.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 30, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

All you folks that keeping harping on the smartness and intell of this team, let me make an observation for You.

This team is about as smart as Flip Saunders is as a coach.

Now, how do you like that? Probably not to good. The speed of the Team is the speed of the Leader.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards biggest weakness tonight was at shooting guard. Hinrich had a bad game. He was ineffective at the point when Wall was out and other than a couple of 3's in the 1st quarter didn't contribute much considering the amount of minutes he played in the game. Gilbert is definitely needed.

Posted by: spades72 | October 30, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Flip Saunders is insane. Forget 35 minutes a game. Now how about 40+ minutes for Mr. John Wall. In trying to save his own hide, Ole Flipper doesn't mind if he runs John straight into the ground way before the All Star break. Saunders is certifiably NUTS!

And BTW, who put together this team? Who and where are all the great players we got for trading Butler and Hayward and Jamison etc.
This team is a travesty.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | October 30, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"and by the way would it be too much to ask this coaching staff to try and impart some wisdom to Javale McGee concerning the nuances of playing the center position in the NBA three years after being drafted and he is as backward as was when he came out of college."
Posted by: dargregma

Are you serious? You think Javale played poorly? He was the only presence in the paint for us and the best post player in the game tonight. He still makes some mistakes but a lot less than before.

You act as if a player starts his 3rd year he magically becomes all that he's going to be, give it a rest and enjoy what's in front of you.

John Wall and Javale McGee are the future of this franchise.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 30, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand Flip's love affair with Hinrich. He couldn't guard anybody tonight and Joe Johnson went OFF on him. And Flip still played him 41 minutes. I thought Hinrich was supposed to be hot stuff on defense? Whatever.

Blatche looks like he has regressed. He simply REFUSES to work in the paint and his shot selection looks about as bad as it has ever been. He has no patience on offense anymore. He and McGee combined for NINE turnovers tonight. That is completely unacceptable from our bigs and will all but assure that the Wizards will lose a lot of games.

Posted by: and_1

And_1,

It is quite simple. Does John Wall need any help from Kirk Hinrich? No, he doesn't.

However, does it appear that Blatche and McGee could use some help from another big that can play a bit. Yes, I think so.

Answer, PLAY YI, PLAY YI, PLAY YI, WITH THEM.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I thought Al Thornton was the only player who wasn't intimidated by the Magics the other night. He dunked on top of Howard for a 3 point play and probably accounted for the few times we went to the basket. Had a very good game tonight and if he can keep this aggressive mindset for the rest of the season can certainly make a difference.

Posted by: spades72 | October 30, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Yi is not the answer, Larry. He's as soft as warm butter. You wanna know how many rebounds our 7-ft tall Yi had in 24 minutes of play? Take a wild guess. C'mon.

ONE.

Can't win with him. Won't win with him.

Posted by: and_1 | October 30, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Why does the team have Javale taking the ball out of bounds after a time out? Of course they trap Kirk on the baseline and creates a turnover and Javale picks up his 5th foul. Aren't most centers the last player to handle the ball in that situation, especially Javale.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 30, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Yi is not the answer, Larry. He's as soft as warm butter. You wanna know how many rebounds our 7-ft tall Yi had in 24 minutes of play? Take a wild guess. C'mon.

ONE.

Can't win with him. Won't win with him.

Posted by: and_1 | October 30, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse
He is not here for the team to win with him.He is here for EG to keep his job by rewrding the owner with 3,million.The best Gm who has awarded his employers with 8.3 million in 25 months of his trade activity.
he is still looking to sell some body not to improve the game.do not get upset if our 2011 1st round pick is going to be send for cash consideration and to clear Arena's big contract.
in the home opening game flip and Eg will play at PF and C position to get the rebounding advantage against 76ers.

Posted by: gtefferra | October 30, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't put this on Yi. I think everyone on the team is still feeling each other out. No one knows yet how this is going to play out or whose role is what and who is supposed to be where. Once that chemistry is established, if it ever happens, I think the flow will be better.

Also, once Gilby gets over this latest tendon injury, he'd better be able to play more consistently and all back to back games without excuses. Otherwise, it'll continue to throw the balance of the team off. Same goes for Josh Howard. I think this team could have used James Singleton.

Given all that, the team is clearly lacking in point production on the FT line and in rebounding. JaTravel is an offensive liability. Yi seems willing to mix it up, but he's still yet to learn the American game of playing in the paint, but he seems game.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

@And_1,

What you fail to realize along with the genious of Flip Saunders is that, of course Yi isn't the answer, but it is all about how you strategize your team/players on the court.

Flip Saunders is forever focused upon individual play rather than overall team play like most of the detractors here.

What I keep harping on here is that, if you play McGee, Blatche, and Yi together, it will essentially make our interior play as a team much greater and effective than only playing two of them at a time.

Yes, I know he keeps one big back for the 2nd team, but that is a flawed strategy when you don't have an effective 1st team.

The wisdom of an effective 1st team appears to be lost on Flip Saunders and a lot of you. If your 1st team isn't effective then you don't have a team. You can't save a big for the 2nd team when you need big/interior help on the first team.

Flip is adament on helping the guard play with Kirk Hinrich and it isn't needed with Wall, but what is needed is help in the paint first and foremost.

Three bigs in the paint, with the mobility of Blatche, McGee, and Yi is something special and Flip won't even try it.

Flip is anything.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking at my Wizards roster and I don't see "JaTravel", who the hell is JaTravel?

Posted by: zxhoya | October 30, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Starting Yi with McGee and Blatche won't suddenly transform him into a rebounder. Thornton is tougher, stronger and quicker than Yi and deserves to stay at the three. And Thornton is most definitely not a two.

Flip's problem is that he doesn't trust Martin or Hudson to play quality minutes at shooting guard.

Posted by: and_1 | October 30, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I've ever seen Javale travel.

And that diss is so lame I would be ashamed to type it.

Posted by: gmac78 | October 30, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

"I'm looking at my Wizards roster and I don't see "JaTravel", who the hell is JaTravel?

Posted by: zxhoya | October 30, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse "

The name "JaTravel" was created after the bitter fans on this blog kept calling Lebron LeTravel instead, and there was one game where JaVale was trying to do too much on offense and was called for travel a few times, so thus "JaTravel" was born also.

Given that, did anyone see the funny play tonight where JaTravel was driving toward the basket and did some funky behind the back pass and was called for traveling? No sooner than that play happened, Flip Flop sent JaTravel to the bench. Speaking of which, JaTravel did have 5 TO's tonight....the most on the team.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301030001

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking at my Wizards roster and I don't see "JaTravel", who the hell is JaTravel?

Posted by: zxhoya | October 30, 2010 10:58 PM

LMAO!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

"Flip's problem is that he doesn't trust Martin or Hudson to play quality minutes at shooting guard.

Posted by: and_1 | October 30, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse "

Why would any coach trust the 13-14th man on the team to do anything? Even Pat Riley in his heyday only played 8 people on his championship teams.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Come on DC_Man88, you have certainly earned my respect for knowing a thing or two, even with your obtuseness, but JaTravel has never been a good name for Run and Jump.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

"Come on DC_Man88, you have certainly earned my respect for knowing a thing or two, even with your obtuseness, but JaTravel has never been a good name for Run and Jump.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse "

You're lucky he's getting any of my attention, being a 3rd year man still trying to find some semblance of a game. Just being able to run and jump ain't going to guarantee a long career in the NBA. Go ask your boy Nick Young.

"Orlando is a great team, a veteran team that's been to the Finals," JaVale McGee said. "They know what they're doing. It wasn't even a season opener for them, it was a midseason game for them. We're just getting started, with our roles as players and how we're going to play our defense or whatever."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/29/AR2010102906505.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Javale McGee had 7 blocks in this game and Flip Saunders had him on the bench in the Money Stretch. Hell, Let Him Foul Out. What is he on the Bench for?

Flip is anything.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand Flip's love affair with Hinrich. He couldn't guard anybody tonight and Joe Johnson went OFF on him.

Johnson scored 25 on 23 attempts. That's not going OFF, and at least 4 of his 10 completions were when he was being guarded by Thornton or Martin. I think the Wizards are happy with Johnson's lack of efficiency. Just like the Hawks are happy that AB took 19 shots to get 18 pts.

Tonight was much better, but 8 illegal screens wss a killer. So far, I think Yi paired with AB or McGee works better than playing AB and McGee together. Bringing him off the bench first was a good move by Flip.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 30, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

DC_Man88. Does Flip have a clue?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Tonight was much better, but 8 illegal screens wss a killer. So far, I think Yi paired with AB or McGee works better than playing AB and McGee together. Bringing him off the bench first was a good move by Flip.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 30, 2010 11:50 PM

So, what do you think about playing all three together?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

"Javale McGee had 7 blocks in this game and Flip Saunders had him on the bench in the Money Stretch. Hell, Let Him Foul Out. What is he on the Bench for?

Flip is anything.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 30, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse "

Duh. JaTravel's skinny @ss was on the bench b/c he can't score a bucket to save his life. He's a career .650 FT shooter averaging 2 visits to the line/game. He's not who you need when you're down and the clock is ticking.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"Johnson scored 25 on 23 attempts. That's not going OFF, and at least 4 of his 10 completions were when he was being guarded by Thornton or Martin. I think the Wizards are happy with Johnson's lack of efficiency. Just like the Hawks are happy that AB took 19 shots to get 18 pts.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 30, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse "

Curiously to most, but not to me, is that it's about the same thing with Gilby during his 3 year stretch where he was averaging about 27/game but was shooting around .432 and 9 trips to the FT line/game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=974

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

BTW, Joe Johnson shot 10-23, with an average of .435.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Duh. JaTravel's skinny @ss was on the bench b/c he can't score a bucket to save his life. He's a career .650 FT shooter averaging 2 visits to the line/game. He's not who you need when you're down and the clock is ticking.

The name is Javale otherwise I am gonna start calling you DC_mania. Get the name right, dude!

I agree with Larry. Atlanta kept their drive going by going after Yi. We got other scorers on the team that can score. Javale would've helped on the defense side.

Posted by: demonj21 | October 31, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse


Why would any coach trust the 13-14th man on the team to do anything? Even Pat Riley in his heyday only played 8 people on his championship teams.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2010 11:30 PM

Because the starting shooting guard sucks. Hinrich is averaging 10 ppg and about 38 minutes per game. Very DeShawn Stephenson-like. Actually, Stephenson did better than that his first couple years in Washington. Hinrich STINKS.

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

all this back and forth and nobody has a word to say about wall...this is going to be a long season but the one reason to watch these games is to see the developoment of perhaps what will be the best bullet/wizard in a generation!!!

Posted by: IZZY3 | October 31, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse


Duh. JaTravel's skinny @ss was on the bench b/c he can't score a bucket to save his life. He's a career .650 FT shooter averaging 2 visits to the line/game. He's not who you need when you're down and the clock is ticking.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2010 11:57 PM

Neither is Yi. He went 1 for 4 in the fourth quarter and corralled a whopping one rebound. He also did nothing on defense. Flip, Flip, Flip.

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

"Because the starting shooting guard sucks. Hinrich is averaging 10 ppg and about 38 minutes per game. Very DeShawn Stephenson-like. Actually, Stephenson did better than that his first couple years in Washington. Hinrich STINKS.

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse "

Don't blame KH for stinking. Blame the guy who traded for him. After all, I think KH is better at the 1 guard than 2, but that won't happen b/c of Wall/Gilby. KH is out of position.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Bullets, as usual, are awful. This team has nearly no talent to speak of and should battle it out with IND and NJ for worst in the East. How much longer does the GM get to stay employed for creating this mess?

Posted by: jwing14 | October 31, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

"Neither is Yi. He went 1 for 4 in the fourth quarter and corralled a whopping one rebound. He also did nothing on defense. Flip, Flip, Flip.

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse "

It's clear that Yi is more of a scoring threat than JaTravel. Yi is a capable scorer and has a good basketball IQ. JaTravel is just a guy who's gifted athletically, but can't figure out how to use it beyond jumping and dunking.

Given that, Flip Flop has the entire team flipping and flopping through different positions and different starting lineups that the players don't know what the F is going on.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

What do you need when every player for the other team walks in the paint repeatedly for layups?

Posted by: zxhoya | October 31, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

What do you need when every player for the other team walks in the paint repeatedly for layups?

Posted by: zxhoya | October 31, 2010 12:29 AM

A 7'1" eraser!

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

"Bullets, as usual, are awful. This team has nearly no talent to speak of and should battle it out with IND and NJ for worst in the East. How much longer does the GM get to stay employed for creating this mess?

Posted by: jwing14 | October 31, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse "

There's athletic talent on this team, but little basketball IQ and even less coaching know how on how to mold this team.

Was Larry Bird or McHale ever the jump out of the gym type of players? How gifted athletically is Steve Nash? People keep yapping about JWow's vertical and quickness and NY's even higher vertical and dunking ability. None of that BS matters if you don't know how to play and win as a team. That's what happens when college players come to the NBA after 1 year in college thinking they can dominate the NBA as they did in college. Wrong.

But, I do agree that Grunfeld needs to leave b/c he assembled this mess. Pieces that don't fit.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

It's clear that Yi is more of a scoring threat than JaTravel. Yi is a capable scorer and has a good basketball IQ. JaTravel is just a guy who's gifted athletically, but can't figure out how to use it beyond jumping and dunking.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2010 12:27 AM

Yi's also more of a threat to be scored upon. Atlanta attacked him. He scored one bucket in the fourth but gave up several more on defense. Yi was a net loss in crunch time.

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

"A 7'1" eraser!

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse "

Too bad he's foul prone and can't hold his position.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

"Yi's also more of a threat to be scored upon. Atlanta attacked him. He scored one bucket in the fourth but gave up several more on defense. Yi was a net loss in crunch time.

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse "

Yi was a +5 while JaTravel was a -6.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301030001

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Yi was a +5 while JaTravel was a -6.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2010 12:43 AM

Because Yi was in the game when John Wall took over. That simple. Yi did not impact the game whatsoever in the fourth. His +/- was higher than John Wall's too but nobody would argue that he had a better game than Wall or that he impacted the game as much as Wall (or McGee for that matter). Yi was a bystander tonight.

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

"Because the starting shooting guard sucks. Hinrich is averaging 10 ppg and about 38 minutes per game. Very DeShawn Stephenson-like. Actually, Stephenson did better than that his first couple years in Washington. Hinrich STINKS.Posted by: and_1"

Which made me curious -- DeShawn's first two seasons with the Wiz, he averaged around 30 minutes and 11 points. He was a pretty fair outside shooter as well (he hit the wall in that respect in his third season). But he was valued by coaches for his perimeter defense.

Hysterics aside, Hinrich should be viewed as a temp fill-in at shooting guard. A certain Gilbert Arenas is slated for that position once he steps on the court. You could argue that KH basically did his job, finishing at 40% from the arc, 3 steals, 4 assists, 0 turnovers. He's not supposed to score like Gil; he's supposed to do the things that free up John Wall. When Gilbert returns, the club will have to adjust; maybe somebody else will have to take the opponent's best SG.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 31, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

"Because Yi was in the game when John Wall took over. That simple. Yi did not impact the game whatsoever in the fourth. His +/- was higher than John Wall's too but nobody would argue that he had a better game than Wall or that he impacted the game as much as Wall (or McGee for that matter). Yi was a bystander tonight.

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse "

Yi did not start and was pretty much lost in the flow of the game. That's not surprising with so many other people taking shots, with a guy like Yi's who's more probably more comfortable on the offense end than the defensive end.

If nothing else, this is Yi's first year with Les BouleS and he's still trying to figure out who is whom and what the coach expects. JaTravel on the other hand is spending his 3rd season with the team and hasn't improved his game past jumping and dunking.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

jm has been with the team 3 years, but has less than 1 year court time. thanks to some horrendous head coaching. for a team that has not won, to not play the youngins is tragic.
In addition he was raw entering the NBA, as all knew.
I do believe he would be the most sought after Wiz after JW.
I have been advocating YI JM and AB as the starting front line.
It does cause match ups for opponents.
AB is obviously not at full strength, but coaching would sit him or coach him up. Twitch is not the man for a young team.
We need a young dynamic and confident leader. Twitch is old news.
Yes JM has much to learn, as does most of this team.
How about holding position on screens, rather than just cursory moving position. Is this not coaching?
I think the coach that let's him freelance will get the most out of JM. He is never going to be a traditional pivot man.
So utilize his athleticism and live with the growing pains.
This team is not playoff bound. It can be interesting and occasionally exciting.
Again offensively spreading the floor and letting JW create by penetraTion is their best offense. The next one on one CB impersonator sits. That is you AB!

Posted by: mricklen | November 1, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

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