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Wizards no longer timid, but remain winless

The difference between the Wizards that showed up in Atlanta, and the ones that failed to show up against the Orlando Magic was evident in the third period, when JaVale McGee got the ball near the foul line, drove around Hawks forward Josh Smith and dunked on him.


Okay, you got me now Josh. Wait 'til later. (AP Photo)

Hard. Like he was trying to break the rim hard.

Every player on the Wizards bench shot up, whooped and waved towels, and McGee gave them a salute. John Wall smiled and shook his head after the vicious attack on the rim. Smith said after the game that players don't usually got at him like that, but after watching replays and hearing how terrible they were after that nationally televised 29-point shellacking in Orlando, the Wizards had no more room for timidity.

Before the Wizards proved that they aren't nearly as bad as they looked two nights before, Wall repeated what has been the theme for his team since training camp began. "We're a young, talented team, but we've got to compete and play harder than our opponents," Wall said. "That the key thing for us."

The Wizards were much more competitive on Saturday against the Atlanta Hawks, but they learned that there is a difference when you have two all-stars on the court to finish a game and when you don't. Hawks all-stars Joe Johnson and Al Horford combined to score nine points during the decisive 11-3 run that kept the Wizards winless and extended their domination over them to 10 games.

"Coach was telling us, the game is going to be won the fourth quarter," Wall said after scoring 28 points with nine assists with five rebounds in a 99-95 loss.

But sometimes, the game is lost before that. When they look back on their loss on Saturday, the Wizards (0-2) will be smarting over that forgettable second period, when they scored just 13 points and went scoreless after Wall made a 17-foot jumper -- yep, he made a jumper -- with 5:28 left in the half. The Hawks scored the final eight points of the period as the Wizards missed eight field attempts and committed five turnovers.

The Wizards committed 12 turnovers in the first half overall, with five coming in the form of illegal screens. After McGee picked up the first offensive foul for an illegal screen, Coach Flip Saunders told his center, "You can't do that!" But by the time Hilton Armstong picked up an offensive foul late in the second period, Saunders turned his frustration toward the officials. He looked at referee Curtis Blair and asked, "Are we in the WNBA?"

McGee was limited to just 27 minutes as he collected five fouls, with three coming in the form of offensive fouls on screens. "I feel like we couldn't play rough today. It was tick-tack fouls," he said. "If I hadn't got in foul trouble, we probably would've won."

McGee had a career-high seven blocked shots and was in his opponents' heads early on, when he picked up a goaltending on a short jumper by Horford. He had no problem swatting the next Horford offering. He later had two blocks in 13 seconds, chasing down Jeff Teague to send a shot into the second row and another rejection of Zaza Pachulia. McGee had as many blocks by halftime (four) as the Hawks had the entire game.

"I took a couple of shots that I didn't think they were going to get, and McGee went up there and got it," Horford said afterward. "That was really impressive."

The Wizards recorded 13 blocks overall and held the Hawks to just 42 percent shooting overall. "Defensively, we were much better," Kirk Hinrich said. "Much, much better."

Wall played 42 minutes, but he sat for about three minutes early in the fourth quarter when the Hawks scored seven unanswered points. Wall returned to ignite a rally, making back-to-back jumpers and then beautiful outlet passes to Andray Blatche and Al Thornton for layups, helping the Wizards pull even.

Wall certainly left an impression, with his competitive drive and will to keep fighting. He knew how to balance being aggressive and unselfish. He also kept the Hawks hustling to keep up, which they rarely did. Hawks Coach Larry Drew said afterward, "That is one fast human being."

Drew added that the Hawks' game-plan was to encourage Wall to shoot contested jumpers. "He made them," Drew said of Wall, who made 9 of 17 field goals and went 8 for 10 from the foul line.

Wall made his first two three-pointers in the fourth quarter, but missed his third attempt, which would've brought the Wizards within two points with 38.9 seconds left. "I know people are going to lay off me. I'm not supposed to shoot too many of them, because of what I shot them in the preseason," said Wall, who missed seven of his eight attempts from long distance in the preseason. "I can respect that. I felt like we needed it at the time. I felt confident shooting it and knocked them down."

The Wizards didn't have much production from the bench, with Yi Jianlian scoring all 10 points for the second unit. They also made several mistakes defensively down the stretch, including letting the slow-footed Mike Bibby drive inside and make a critical layup. But Blatche was pleased by the overall effort.

"The only thing I'm seeing from us is us getting better and better," he said. "It's always disappointing when you lose. At the same time, I'm kind of proud, we stepped up. A lot of guys showed what they were capable of doing. We're a young team, we're going to make mistakes. Our thing is to improve and continue to get better."

By Michael Lee  | October 31, 2010; 12:14 AM ET
Categories:  Andray Blatche, Flip Saunders, JaVale McGee, John Wall  
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Saunders turned his frustration toward the officials. He looked at referee Curtis Blair and asked, "Are we in the WNBA?"

Curtis Blair told Flip that would be the only way his team would make the playoffs!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 31, 2010 3:49 AM | Report abuse

Wall was incredible the 2nd half I have no idea why he was so passive in the 1st half he started attacking the pick and roll in the halfcourt and just blew by all the Hawk defeders in the paint. It was incredible.

Flip made the mistake of staying with Yi in the 4th quarter. Yi if not hitting shots is a total waste he doesn't compete defensively at all the hawks just kept attacking inside with McGhee out.

Blache finally got it going Michael Lee see if there is an issue still with Blache and his foot he stopped attacking inside I wonder is his foot still bothering him.

Posted by: jrwalkerivory | October 31, 2010 5:31 AM | Report abuse

The panic button rests! (At least for a couple of days.)

This team is going to be just fine. Wall was incredible in the second half. Blatche did NOT have a good game, despite the numbers (although his final 6 or so minutes were okay). He and the perimeter need a serious divorce -- quickly!

Posted by: bpybay | October 31, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

More Blatche:

AB could EASILY average 5-6 dimes a game if he would just stop forcing his offense and look for the open man out of the low post double teams. The last six minutes of the game last night were beautiful to watch and he really seemed to get it going.

I have no doubt he could easily average 20/10 if he would just play on the low block and let the offense come to him, as opposed to just trying to get numbers. He obviously is an integral part of what we are trying to do, but it sometimes looks as if he is playing for numbers. He may be the most skilled 4 in the league. Play to win and forget numbers.

AB, play to win and forget numbers. You've got an MVP skill set. Play to win, forget the numbers, and you will realize you don't need the numbers.

Posted by: bpybay | October 31, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

I do not blame AB for shoot slection.
The rotation is a kind of stagnant,he seems to be still nursing the injury or not yet conditined,hopefully he just need few games to be in shape,i like what he did in the 4th quarter.
The coach need to be a little firm on AB and tell him to hasle for position.
we are not going to win games with out Arenas and JH, period.

Posted by: gtefferra | October 31, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

No reason we shouldn't lose on the road to these teams. They are most likely the 3rd and 4th seeds in the East. We are missing our scorer, The Great Gilbert. Wiz will be OK.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | October 31, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Atlanta was a winnable game, AB took a lot of bad shots, Flip stayed with Yi waaaaaayy too long down the stretch. J Dub didn't start to really attack the basket til 2nd half but it was amuch beter game than the game in O. GILBERT WATCH is offically on, if anyone hears anything, at the barbershop,the mall, church, or the gun range let us know!

Posted by: zack5 | October 31, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I see Greg Oden hasn't been extended. What an object lesson that is for a rebuilding team. Even with the top choice, you have to be lucky. Here's a guy with Dwight Howard-type talent who can't stay on the court. Meanwhile, the second selection is in the process of becoming the NBA's next Kobe.

Who did Portland extend? France's Nick Batum and Spain's Rudy Fernandez (who's already decided he wants to go back to Europe.)

That's a strange franchise.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 31, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Coach Twitch must have thought it was the WNBA , as he kept JM on the bench with 5 fouls.
We re pathetic without Mc.
Kh and AB are also disappointing.
On offense why not just go the the spread and let the unstoppable Jw go to work. Other teams are giving him the open jumper and doubling AB. Go to work.
AB seems to wnt to be the go to guy, when he is just one of the pieces.
Interesting to see what rotation Twitch plays upon the return of Ga and Jh. His incredible 3 guard sets are ridiculous.
I have been a Ny supporter, but he is totally lost. Needs to go to the Warriors where they let their guys just play. Imagine Jm and Ny on that team.

Posted by: mricklen | October 31, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"I have been a Ny supporter, but he is totally lost. Needs to go to the Warriors where they let their guys just play. Imagine Jm and Ny on that team.Posted by: mricklen"

I don't know if you heard, but Don Nelson is gone. Team couldn't win.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 31, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

By the way, what's with the weird names? Coach Twitch? JaTravel? Not sure what the fascination is. Must be easier than thinking.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 31, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"Coach was telling us, the game is going to be won the fourth quarter," Wall said after scoring 28 points with nine assists with five rebounds in a 99-95 loss.

DAMN, maybe FLIP has a clue after all. The more I see and read here, the smarter he gets.

Good job WIZ. I'll go on the HAWKS blogs and rib them for not pulling off a total smack-down of the WIZZIES. They think they own us BTW and are embarressed by us finishing so close.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 31, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

AREnas, ain't...............period. We doin' just fine without him, thanx.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 31, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

NY Times re-ran this 2009 article on Shane Battier, the guy who makes his team better in ways that can't show up in the box score. Article's by Michael Lewis who wrote Moneyball...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html?ref=magazine

Posted by: Samson151 | October 31, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

That's a strange franchise.

Obviously they wouldn't be so strange if Oden hadn't turned into the poster boy for better living through orthopedic surgery. I hope he makes it back this year and fulfills expectations, if so the Lakers will have more than the Thunder to think about in the West.

Posted by: midlevex_ | October 31, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Mcgee had 7 blocks but Flip left Yi in the game down the stretch while Atlanta scored layups at the rim for the decisive points. Don't understand that at all.

AB looked like he is working his way back, play definitely improved in the 2nd half, hopefully he's pretty much 'back' in a few weeks.

So far I havent seen the defensive excellence we were supposed to expect from Hinrich.

John Wall's jumper looks like it's going to come along just fine, very encouraging.

Javale has definitely improved, saw it against Orlando (despite all the hating on him) and confirmed it (to mine eyes anyway) last night. Gotta like that

Posted by: divi3 | October 31, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if you heard, but Don Nelson is gone. Team couldn't win.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 31, 2010 9:36 AM

They're winning (2-0) under the new coach and scoring a ton of points while they do it. Steph Curry is hurt now with a sprained ankle but his shot looks every bit as good as his dad's did.

Posted by: and_1 | October 31, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

They have improved in the rebounding department, but was still outrebounded 43-34.

Yi played 24 minutes at PF/C, but got only 1 rebound!

Posted by: sagaliba | October 31, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

NY Times re-ran this 2009 article on Shane Battier, the guy who makes his team better in ways that can't show up in the box score. Article's by Michael Lewis who wrote Moneyball

I always thought that piece was forcing a square peg in a round hole. Basketball doesnt lend itself to stats in the same way baseball does. And all the talk of Battier and the "little things he does" that supposedly made teams win, just happen to coincide with Pau getting better each year and Mcgrady playing a full season for the Rockets after being hurt in the previous year.

Posted by: divi3 | October 31, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"AREnas, ain't...............period. We doin' just fine without him"

Did you watch the game? KH and Wall each played over 40 minutes, and we struggled when either NY or Martin was playing SG.

Do you seriously expect them to play 84 combined minutes EVERY GAME? Besides, we need more scoring punch, that's what Gil can provide.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 31, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"AREnas, ain't...............period. We doin' just fine without him"

Did you watch the game? KH and Wall each played over 40 minutes, and we struggled when either NY or Martin was playing SG.

Do you seriously expect them to play 84 combined minutes EVERY GAME? Besides, we need more scoring punch, that's what Gil can provide.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 31, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Sure did, take your blinders off fool

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 31, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

You could argue that KH basically did his job, finishing at 40% from the arc, 3 steals, 4 assists, 0 turnovers. He's not supposed to score like Gil; he's supposed to do the things that free up John Wall.

Guess it depends what you consider his job to be. IMO, scoring 0pts in the 2nd half as Joe Johnson goes for 14 in the 4th quarter is not an example of a SG doing their job. Being non-existent as an offensive threat does not "free up" Wall either.

Hinrich's got to get his groove back defensively or he's a liability. Of course, lots of liabilities on this roster so he aint alone.

Posted by: divi3 | October 31, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse


Did you watch the game? KH and Wall each played over 40 minutes, and we struggled when either NY or Martin was playing SG.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 31, 2010 11:08 AM

Actually, the Wizards struggled with KH running backup point. Don't blame that on Martin.

Overall, I thought the Wizards looked good. We definitely need a long-term solution at shooting guard though. I haven't been overwhelmed by Kirk's play.

Posted by: bobabuie | October 31, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"I see Greg Oden hasn't been extended.

Who did Portland extend? France's Nick Batum and Spain's Rudy Fernandez (who's already decided he wants to go back to Europe.)"

Portland picked up Fernandez's 4th yr option, while Oden is in his 4th yr already, and will become restricted FA. If Oden plays well this season, Portland can still retain his right by offering qualifying offer.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 31, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Do you seriously expect them to play 84 combined minutes EVERY GAME?

Posted by: sagaliba

Sure did, take your blinders off fool

Posted by: glawrence007
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Well people can see who is fool. LOL

Posted by: sagaliba | October 31, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

bobabuie,

Martin was -13 in that game. May not be his fault (and I didn't say it was), but I think it is fair to say the TEAM struggled when he was in.

Point about KH taken. That's another reason we need Gil. Both Wall and Gil can drive and finish, KH can't and the defense knows it too.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 31, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

sagaliba,

The problem with +/- is that it doesn't show cause and effect. Yi, for example, had a higher number than JaVale. Would you assert that Yi putter a bigger stamp on the game than JaVale?

What did your eyes tell you about Martin? That he was the problem? I saw the game and KH was awful. He was not a threat offensively and defensively he got abused. I know it's early and maybe he's just had two bad games and is ready to snap out of it but I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: bobabuie | October 31, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Flip is such an idiot. He said the game will be won in the 4th quarter but he forgot to put McGee back in. McGee had 5 fouls not 6 Flip. The Wiz offense is geared to make Wall an allstar. Arenas was right even though he took heat for saying his job is to make Wall look good. This is the problem with the Wiz. They are not developing a team but a player. Wiz put time into developing McGee, Blatche, Yi and you'll win. Continue to only put time into Wall and we'll see you in the lottery again.

As for Young as long as the idiot is still coaching the Wiz you will not play. Kirk is a bench player that can't guard anyone despite his rep as such a good defender. When people like you and you suck they use words like smart, pesky, in the right position. It's like trying to justify going out with an ugly girl. Nick gives you a better scorer and just as good a defender as kirk. Flip has taken all his confidence away and anyone that has ever played know you need confidence to play any game. I feel bad for Nick having to deal with an idiot.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | October 31, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

And a further point about Kirk Hinrich. Flip has said that he was one of the best players in training camp.

There has been comments here that Young is great in practice and that is probably all he will be is a great practice player.

So why does Kirk get overwhelming minutes to suck and Nick cannot?

Dosen't matter to me what your rep is, if you suck on the floor, why let one guy continually suck in gametime and the other one always get the quick hook or no chance at all.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 31, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I think Nick's problem (and Hilton's too, for that matter) is that he lacks confidence in himself. Those two guys have a world of talent. However, success in the NBA (the center for the best basketball talent on the globe), is determined upstairs (between the ears). In order to enforce your will on a game, you have to have a will in the first place. Wall does, and the last few minutes of the third quarter last night is a case in point.

Although both Nick and Hilton have more than enough talent to succeed at this level, talent alone won't cut it. Plus, Nick plays too one-dimensional (although we KNOW he has the ability to be a defensive stopper). I'm afraid they both lack the necessary assertiveness in their games to have more than a modicum of success at the NBA level. You can't play scared. Nick plays scared. You can see it in his face, especially when he struggles early. He is afraid to fail, and that is the best recipe for failure. Until he overcomes that trait, we won't be able to depend upon him to produce with any kind of consistency.

He could certainly benefit from some Phil Jackson-like motivational reading.

Posted by: bpybay | October 31, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Bpybay,

I must say that makes a whole lot of sense and I wholly agree. I am continually chagrined to see Nick Young make a move and is wide open and then he blows the advantage he has gained by settling for that half butt fadeaway shot he is in love with.

If Flip was smart he would tell Nick that he simply cannot use the fadeaway shot if he is wide open.

However, the flipside of that is how can you justify playing Hinrich who knows how to play the NBA game consistent big minutes and the results are arguably subpar.

Subpar is subpar in my book. At the end of the day subpar is going to give you the same result.

So if Hinrich is ineffective and we think that Nick will be as well, why is Hinrich getting major minutes to suck more.

I guess Hinrich sucks better, no pun intended.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 31, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

AREnas, ain't...............period. We doin' just fine without him, thanx.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 31, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

This statement is ridiculous. The team is 0-2 not 2-0. Without question Arenas would have impacted both games and would have given the Wizards a better chance to win last nights game. First, in crunch time the Wizards don't have a clser withut him. Secondly, Arenas gices you the advantage opf playing point when you rest Wall. The team struggled mightily during the stretch that Hinrich ran the point while Wall was on the bench.

Posted by: NewManagement | October 31, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Relative to Arenas, Hinrich has given you 12 points and 8 points respectively form the 2 guard position. That is simply not good enough in the NBA. Unless he is a shut down defender your offense sacrifices. His defense has been insignificaht so far as was the the case last night as Joe Johnson won the game and he was no match for Jameer Nelson in the first game (Fip did his cross-match thing).

I love Hnrich as a player but he clearly is a 6 man type role player.

Posted by: NewManagement | October 31, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"If Flip was smart he would tell Nick that he simply cannot use the fadeaway shot if he is wide open."

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 31, 2010 2:40 PM

Do you actually think that Saunders hasn't addressed this with Young? Seriously?

Prior to last season, it was extensively reported that Saunders spent all of camp and preseason trying to reshape Young's game into an off-screen, catch-and-shoot mode. He made him study tapes of Rip Hamilton, he ran him through multiple reps to built familiarity and muscle memory with the approach, and he openly praised Young for how well he was making the adjustment. Then, as soon as a reporter put a mic in front of Young's mouth, he basically said screw what the coach wants, I'm gonna do what I want to do.

Young not only doesn't get it, he appears to be fundamentally incapable of getting it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 31, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Kalo_rama,

There has to be more to it than that. If Young said openly that he would do what he wants and not what the coach wants, I wonder why he is still on the Team.

He should have been dumped on the fire sale with AJ, CB, and BH. After all, we gave them up for practically nothing so I am sure they could have given Young up for practically nothing.

There has to more to it than that.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 31, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Well people can see who is fool. LOL

Posted by: sagaliba | October 31, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

They surely can, fool. LOL

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 31, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Guess it depends what you consider his job to be. IMO, scoring 0pts in the 2nd half as Joe Johnson goes for 14 in the 4th quarter is not an example of a SG doing their job. Being non-existent as an offensive threat does not "free up" Wall either.

Hinrich's got to get his groove back defensively or he's a liability. Of course, lots of liabilities on this roster so he aint alone.

Posted by: divi3

'Got to get his groove back defensively'? If that's in reference to Johnson's 14 pts in the 4th, I don't remember Hinrich being on him as much as I remember Martin and particularly Thornton. The Hawks were rolling with Bibby, Crawford and Johnson, so Johnson is (sort of) the SF in that lineup.

Johnson hit that step-back three with Thornton pretty much right in his face. It was pretty good D, just better O by a better player.

Hinrich not scoring isn't ideal obviously, but that's also just a small part of their woes. But this is sort of what I have expected of this team for a while. That they will be good enough to be in most games, but not good enough or experienced enough to finish them off. I expect a lot of 4th quarter losses like this one.

As for McGee not being in there, that's a tough call. Pretty common for coaches to put players with 5 fouls on the bench. Especially younger ones who aren't as adept at avoiding them, or won't get the benefit of the doubt from the officials. The Wiz hung in right to the end. If McGee had fouled out and the game had gone to OT, people would be calling Flip dumb for letting the kid foul out. After Bibby waltzed in for that layup though, I might have been tempted.

Posted by: ts35 | October 31, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"There has to be more to it than that.

No, actually, there really doesn't. They traded those other guys to playoff teams because they had immediate value to those teams and the Wiz were able to get cap flexibility in return. Young has no immediate value to anyone. In fact, his greatest value to the team at this point is his expiring contract.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 31, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

This team has a number of deficiencies in it as currently constituted, and it's too late this season to do very much about it. Go back into the draft in 2011, get another top three selection for the front-court.

I do not think JOSH HOWARD's knee will hold up, and for that matter, I don't think ARENAS' will either.

I think AL THORNTON is what you got at the #3 and he's on a mission to prove it. I like it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 31, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

There has to be more to it than that.

No, actually, there really doesn't. They traded those other guys to playoff teams because they had immediate value to those teams and the Wiz were able to get cap flexibility in return. Young has no immediate value to anyone. In fact, his greatest value to the team at this point is his expiring contract.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 31, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I second that Kalo!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 31, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Well people can see who is fool. LOL

Posted by: sagaliba | October 31, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

They surely can, fool. LOL

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 31, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

And I apologize to poster sagaliba. It's HALLOWEEN, and I was feeling feisty, and the blog was dead after we played a pretty good game against a play-off caliber club. Just trying to stir the pot a bit. Looks like I succeeded too. Calling people out is just stupid, and doesn't change anyone's mind anyway, but it will bring negative response. I guess that's better than no response. Man, after that azz-whipping in ORLANDO, I think we were all in shock.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 31, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

After Bibby waltzed in for that layup though, I might have been tempted. Posted by: ts35

Not too tempted considering that McGee committed a TO and foul within 4 seconds the last time Flip put him in. He may of just been gassed.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 31, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I didn't watch the game. When I cut it on it the 4th quarter, Joe Johnson was like 5-17 or something like that.

And the game was close. I saw Thornton getting drilled in the 4th but he played him tight.

Just like last season when DS locked up Wade but he went off when he wasn't in the game.

But it was Wade killed DS.

So just off the little bit I saw. You can't put it all on Hinrich.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 31, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

After Bibby waltzed in for that layup though, I might have been tempted. Posted by: ts35

Not too tempted considering that McGee committed a TO and foul within 4 seconds the last time Flip put him in. He may of just been gassed.


Posted by: djnnnou


No doubt. But at the very least McGee was making them think a bit coming down the lane. Even the shots he didn't block, he affected. But I'm also willing to bet he would have fouled out withing a minute of coming back in.

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I missed parts of the first half, were the illegal screens the refs called legit? Or were they calling it too close?

Posted by: ts35 | October 31, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

As for McGee not being in there, that's a tough call.

Yi had 1reb and hadnt taken a shot inside 15ft all night. He ended up taking four 20ft Js in the 4th quarter while playing no defense. Is that ok by Flip? Or is Yi supposed to play the way he also wants AB/JM to play?

Mcgee was a bit of a force in the paint last night, would have liked to see him in but it's probably irrelevant in the long run.

Posted by: divi3 | October 31, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I missed parts of the first half, were the illegal screens the refs called legit? Or were they calling it too close?

Not legit or at least not same way they were called last season, apparently there is a new emphasis on that call. Of the 9 TOs kalo mentioned, probably 6 of them were on those calls.

Posted by: divi3 | October 31, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I missed parts of the first half, were the illegal screens the refs called legit? Or were they calling it too close? Posted by: ts35

The refs were in early season form and calling it tight, but guys have to adjust. Hollinger wrote that the Wizards committed 8 illegal screens. That and rebounding cost the game.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 31, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

As for McGee not being in there, that's a tough call.

Yi had 1reb and hadnt taken a shot inside 15ft all night. He ended up taking four 20ft Js in the 4th quarter while playing no defense. Is that ok by Flip? Or is Yi supposed to play the way he also wants AB/JM to play?

Mcgee was a bit of a force in the paint last night, would have liked to see him in but it's probably irrelevant in the long run.

Posted by: divi3

No, on some level, I'm sure he would have preferred MCGee to be in there. At the same time, it likely wouldn't have taken long for McGee to foul out. Partly because of his inexperience, but mainly because no Wizard (except maybe Wall or Arenas) is going to get the benefit of the doubt against a proven playoff team, on their home floor, in the 4th quarter. As djnnnou mentioned, it took what, 4 seconds for McGee to pick up his 5th?

Posted by: ts35 | October 31, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Beyond that, to the other question, of Yi's play. Very much like with NY, in fact more so, if Yi's not going to be pulling down boards, it's hard to justify his minutes.

Posted by: ts35 | October 31, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"Relative to Arenas, Hinrich has given you 12 points and 8 points respectively form the 2 guard position. That is simply not good enough in the NBA. Unless he is a shut down defender your offense sacrifices. His defense has been insignificaht so far as was the the case last night as Joe Johnson won the game and he was no match for Jameer Nelson in the first game (Fip did his cross-match thing).
I love Hnrich as a player but he clearly is a 6 man type role player.Posted by: NewManagement"

Here's another perspective: you don't put KH in the game to score the way Gilbert Arenas does. He can't do it, right? So when you play KH next to John Wall, the scoring burden falls to Wall, with Hinrich picking up the defensive role on the opponent's main scoring guard. Hinrich shoots a little from the outside, gets some steals, helps out with the ball movement, and plays defense so Wall doesn't have to (as much).

When Gilbert's in the game, presumably Wall doesn't have to carry the offensive load. He can penetrate, dish, carry more of the defensive burden. You know Gilbert isn't going to play much defense, right? But unlike Hinrich, he can create his own shot on a team without much of that.

The 3 guard lineup puts Hinrich out on the SF, usually the other scorer. He's at a height disadvantage there, but unless Thornton is playing defense, or Josh Howard is healthy, who else do we have? Nick Young? Although Cartier Martin is a pleasant surprise. We might not see much of the 3 guard in the future.

It's not rocket science.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 31, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Yi had 1reb and hadnt taken a shot inside 15ft all night. He ended up taking four 20ft Js in the 4th quarter while playing no defense.

I'm going to consider 1 rebound to be aberrant for now. He did get really nice post position at least a couple of times only to be ignored. At other times it looked like he was being used to stretch the floor, as in the 3rd when Wall went off.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 31, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"What did your eyes tell you about Martin? That he was the problem? I saw the game and KH was awful. He was not a threat offensively and defensively he got abused. I know it's early and maybe he's just had two bad games and is ready to snap out of it but I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: bobabuie"

KH is a 6'3 combo guard, not really a point guard or big enough (or fast enough) to be a full time 2 guard but is a competent guard.

Him guarding Joe Johnson is a mismatch, Joe averages in the high 20s against the entire league. I don't see it as a bad outing for Hinrich.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 31, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

re:Hinrich: Last night he had about 25mins worth of production in the 41mins he was on the floor. He's got to play better for the team to win games (obviously so do others).

Posted by: divi3 | October 31, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

re:Hinrich: Last night he had about 25mins worth of production in the 41mins he was on the floor. He's got to play better for the team to win games (obviously so do others).

Posted by: divi3

Oy, enough already. The Wiz scored 95 and held the Hawks to 43% from the field. They lost because of rebounding, bad fouls, and because the Hawks shot the lights out from the FT line. And meanwhile, the Wiz's second best player is sitting out. Only six players on the teams scored.

Everyone not named Wall (and last night Thornton) needs to play better, period. Pick a player and you can pick out something they need to do better than they did for this team to be successful on a nightly basis.

Posted by: ts35 | October 31, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Oy, enough already. The Wiz scored 95 and held the Hawks to 43% from the field. They lost because of rebounding, bad fouls, and because the Hawks shot the lights out from the FT line.

They lost because they had less points than the Hawks when the game ended. 8pts in 41mins and 0 in 2nd half from your SG is certainly a significant aspect to that.

Pick a player and you can pick out something they need to do better than they did for this team to be successful on a nightly basis.

"He's got to play better for the team to win games (obviously so do others)"

Posted by: divi3 | October 31, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

@Divi3

He's the only one you're mentioning. :)

How about our starting C needs to do better than 7pts? People keep talking about Hinrich / Johnson, how about 21 and 10 for Horford vs 7 and 8 for McGee? How about our starting PF needs to get to the line at least once? And our collected PFs and Cs only had 3 FT attempts between them? How about guys on the bench need to contribute?

Posted by: ts35 | October 31, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

He's the only one you're mentioning.

Was just speaking to the last few posts, clearly we have a ton of issues!

Posted by: divi3 | October 31, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"They lost because they had less points than the Hawks when the game ended. 8pts in 41mins and 0 in 2nd half from your SG is certainly a significant aspect to that."

So is your starting C only scoring 7 pts. So is your starting C and PF, two non-ballhandling positions, being responsible for 9 turnovers. So is your starting "power" forward not getting to the line even once. So is your shotblocking starting C picking up 5 fouls in only 27 minutes and having to sit. So is giving up 13 offensive rebounds. Hinrich was only a very small part of their problems.

You're so obsessed with one player that you can't see clearly.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 31, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

"How about our starting C needs to do better than 7pts? People keep talking about Hinrich / Johnson, how about 21 and 10 for Horford vs 7 and 8 for McGee? How about our starting PF needs to get to the line at least once? And our collected PFs and Cs only had 3 FT attempts between them? How about guys on the bench need to contribute?
Posted by: ts35"

How can your center be a volume scorer when he has no plays called for him (and I'm not saying there should be)

Javale had a decent stat line based on minutes played (8reb, 7blk and 7pts) and had a positive influence on the game for the Wiz. He didn't do everything perfect (5to and 5fouls) but much better than the Orlando game in which he played just OK. I don't think Flip is looking for a lot of points out Javale.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 31, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

How can your center be a volume scorer when he has no plays called for him (and I'm not saying there should be
Posted by: zxhoya

Not saying he should be a 'volume scorer'. But in certain quarters this offseason, people seemed to think that JaVale would average 10-12 pts just off of John Wall alley-oops.

And as far as I know, they don't run any sets for KH to score either.

Overall point being that if scoring is an issue, why is it just KH's fault? Just like with all other issues on this team, scoring will have to be addressed by the team. They all have to pick up whatever slack there is. 7 ppg is not good enough for a starting C. 8 pts is not good enough for a starting SG. 8 pts is not good enough from the bench. No FT attempts is not good from a starting PF. Plenty of blame to go around.

Posted by: ts35 | November 1, 2010 3:03 AM | Report abuse

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