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By Alexa Steele  | October 29, 2010; 10:55 AM ET
 
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The NBA is a marathon, not a sprint.

Did the Wizards have a bad outing last night? Yes. Will every contest be as poorly played? No. Does the Magic game count as five games in the 'L' column? No!

I'll be the first to admit that last night the Wizards were punched in the face and had their lunch money taken away from them (I'm sure that evokes a few unpleasant childhood memories for the haters, but I digress). This is part of the learning process for a young team missing its primary scorer and most veteran player and, quite frankly, will ultimately hasten the Wizards' transformation into a hardened, playoff-bound bunch.

Take a deep breath and relax, Wizards Faithful. Losing last night's game assures the Wizards a lottery appearance no more than winning last night's game would have guaranteed them a playoff berth.

Take comfort in the fact that under the tireless and galvanizing leadership of Ernest Grunfeld, the Wizards will rebound from the loss to the Magic and be stronger (and wiser) for having experienced it.

The swelling crowd of crazed, rabid haters can just step back now. Nothing to see here.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | October 29, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"Take a deep breath and relax, Wizards Faithful. Losing last night's game assures the Wizards a lottery appearance no more than winning last night's game would have guaranteed them a playoff berth."

You were the first person I thought of when I watched the game last night. The Wiz are NOT making the playoffs, and your boy Grunfeld SHOULD be fired.

As I said before, sit back and just watch Wall develope because in a few years you'll think back to this moment when they were getting thier butts handed to them and make it all the sweeter.

A lot of these guys won't be here two years from now. There's going to be a lot of games like last night, get used to it.

Ernie Grundfeld is a BUST!!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 29, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Michael Lee writes:


I was really stunned by how bad Blatche looked as well. The first time Dwight Howard came over to double team him, he looked like he had never seen a double team before. He settled for long jumpers and never tried to get any easy buckets. Blatche has a nice jumper, but I don't understand why he is so apathetic about going inside when he has proven that his post game is probably better than his perimeter game. His conditioning is off, but he's been through a training camp and a preseason. He's played enough games.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 29, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse


The problem with this team is quite simple: The Wizards' most talented bigs (Blatche, McGee, Yi) are really just small forwards who happened to grow to a height of 7 feet. They don't have the instincts or desire to horse in the paint. They don't want to bang. They want to glide.

Look at Blake Griffin. His first game in the pro's and het gets 14 rebounds and had Portland making adjustments to keep him off the boards.

Didn't Bill Parcells say if they don't bite as puppies they'll never bite? I wouldn't bank on "experience" being the missing ingredient to give our bigs the toughness they are sorely lacking.

Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii | October 29, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 29, 2010 12:34 PM

You should have directed your anti-Blatche obsession towards Ted, perhaps you could have prevented management re-signing him to 5yr deal that puts him on your tv screen front-and-center for years to come.

Posted by: divi3 | October 29, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards' most talented bigs (Blatche, McGee, Yi) are really just small forwards who happened to grow to a height of 7 feet.

There is a lot of truth in that, which is supposedly why Booker and Seraphin were drafted. Odd, imo, that we saw no Seraphin last night, he seems tailor-made to bust some chops in the paint.

Posted by: divi3 | October 29, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

So now Booker and Seraphin are to blame because they failed to cover up your boy's inadequacies? You're like a two-smokestack, walking excuse factory.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 29, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Take comfort in the fact that under the tireless and galvanizing leadership of Ernest Grunfeld, the Wizards will rebound from the loss to the Magic and be stronger (and wiser) for having experienced it.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | October 29, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Every year you tell us to wait and we will all see what you and Ernie think is supposed to happen...

Just from how bad this team played last year Ernie showed everyone but you and Ted he is incapable of putting together a winning team in today's NBA.

The Wizards got lucky with the 1st pick last year, SO now it's time to move forward and get rid of Ernie and Flip.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 29, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

So now Booker and Seraphin are to blame because they failed to cover up your boy's inadequacies?

Blame?? I was wondering why Seraphin didnt play, that's it. Wow, Blatche is way up in your crawlspace.

The whole team (almost) sucked. Everybody needs to improve, including Flip. If you back off your single-minded obsession for a moment, you may see that.

Posted by: divi3 | October 29, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Arenas met with foot-and-ankle specialist Mark Myerson yesterday in Baltimore and received a shot in his injured right ankle. He'll be reevaluated on Sunday, when they can determine what the problem is. Flip keeps saying that he hopes to have Arenas for the home opener, but it seems unlikely. You have to remember, Arenas hurt his ankle in training camp. This thing hasn't gone away yet. We'll have to wait and see...Josh Howard looks like he can go right now, but the Wizards probably won't look right until they get him, and Gilbert back.
-Michael Lee

ML is probably right, they won't look right and more often than not, they'll look like they did last night, until Howard and Arenas return. The bright side is that by then we may have the inside track on another lottery slot. Waiting for Gilbert, it turns out, is like waiting for Godot.

Posted by: midlevex_ | October 29, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

In comparison to his teammates, I thought Yi played okay on offense. He was much more aggressive going to the basket than AB, but the FTs have to improve.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 29, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

No matter how much you play the "everybody else sucked too" card, it won't actually provide any additional cover for Blatche. He's a 6th year vet, a guy who proclaimed himself one of the team's leaders and made it clear that he was ready to step up into a central role. He doesn't get to be judged by the same yardstick as Yi (a guy who's been here for 5 minutes) or a bunch of rookies and journeymen. At the very least he's expected to lead by example by playing hard. How'd he do on that score?

As clueless as you often demonstrate yourself to be, even you aren't so dim as to believe the "all players are equal" nonsense you're trying to peddle.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 29, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong Kal are you finally starting to realize your man Flip is a joke?

The man can't coach and/or teach, he doesn't know how to motivate his players, and he is going to a 3 guard system in the NBA?

are you kidding me?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 29, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I have a question for all the people saying that Ernie and/or Flip should be fired.

Do you really think that the team would be better if they both were immediatley fired? Do you have any idea how disfunctional it would look to fire your GM or head coach after one bad (terrible) game? Or before the season even started? It makes no sense.

When Ted bought the team, the only reasonable thing to do for him was to take it slow, and see how they do for a year. Are you only saying these things to get a reaction? And who would you have replace either of them?

Posted by: japhy_ryder | October 29, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Jeeze Louise, it is only one game. And who amongst us thought they would beat the Magic anyway??? I certainly didn't. But, I must admit, it was a badddd performance from all last night. I wouldn't necessarily blame Flip either. They played much better in the preseason. They just did not execute and were flat out intimidated by the Magic. Now, how do you give them some heart and courage, I don't know but to me the younguns looked liked they wanted to take their ball and go home at half time. It is a long season and this game could be a catalyst of sorts for the team. Let's see how they respond to utter failure.

Posted by: ivyleague | October 29, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

And who would you have replace either of them?

Kevin Pritchard & Sam Cassell

Posted by: spoooooooon | October 29, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

No matter how much you play the "everybody else sucked too" card, it won't actually provide any additional cover for Blatche. He's a 6th year vet, a guy who proclaimed himself one of the team's leaders and made it clear that he was ready to step up into a central role. He doesn't get to be judged by the same yardstick as Yi (a guy who's been here for 5 minutes) or a bunch of rookies and journeymen.

He's also a 7footer who was laid up up for 3 months with a broken foot, and may not even be at full strength now. Contrast that with Gortat who spent all summer doing some sick training and won the Magic's "best conditioned" award. Can you see the difference?

First game back against maybe the league's premier defensive frontcourt and they're keyed in on him specifically (Steve Kerr's opinion). I think any sane person would see that Blatche gets some leeway here. He's the same guy who scored 31pts in a great game against this same Magic frontline last year. I'm sure at the time you said it counts for nothing and blah, blah, blah. But of course one lousy game coming off 3 months in cast is definitive proof he's a complete bum.

You're too hung up on disliking certain players to think straight.


Posted by: divi3 | October 29, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The front-line is soft and it's been exposed for what it is in this national game. Every team in the league is going to come at them hoping McGEE, JI, and BLATCHE want 20-foot j's rather than bruises and rebounds.

WALL's weakness was his outside shot, and that has not improved with practice. This will be a long season............but we knew the WIZZIES had to have another top lottery pick to become effective.

They better draft a top three inside player this time. And for god's sake rescue JAMES SINGLETON from CHINA whenever their season is over.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 29, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

from kelly dwyer:

This was dumb, uninspired, impatient, and uncaring basketball. This was awful. And while the Magic looked every bit the inspired and confident championship contender that they are, the Wizards consistently played up the role of the team that just does not care. In their first game of the season, mind you. That was embarrassing. I don't care if the Magic were the 1995-96 Bulls in disguise with Wilt Chamberlain guesting at center, that was about as arrogant and dismissive as bad basketball gets.

Washington couldn't be bothered to run the floor on either end, set screens, move the ball in hopes for a better shot, talk defensively, cover for each other defensively, or give a damn. The Magic made the extra pass, it looked for the open man, it pushed the ball when appropriate, and it covered and considered things defensively.

And Washington should be ashamed. Yes, they ran into a team on a mission, but that doesn't mean you abandon your own mission as a result

Posted by: spoooooooon | October 29, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

FLIP is a moron. You could tell from the start of the game that FLIP had no plan. Thornton took our first shot! Defensively, we looked completely inept. Hinrich was getting smoked by Vince Carter. McGee was stuck to Dwight Howard like glue, and never even attempted to help out Hinrich after he was repeatedly cooked by Vince. We were out rebounded 53-25!!! Kenny the Jet called us the Washington Generals at halftime. Hinrich stayed on the court for 33 minutes while Vince cooked him for a +31 ratio. It was so embarrassing to hear Kenny keep explaining to us how Orlando's high pick and roll was killing us, as FLIP, completely aloof, failed to make any adjustments to stop it. Whoa is me...

Posted by: WallyWutMD | October 29, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I have a question for all the people saying that Ernie and/or Flip should be fired.

Do you really think that the team would be better if they both were immediatley fired?

Posted by: japhy_ryder | October 29, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

japhy_ryder,

I understand that the team wouldn't get better immediatley if Flip and Ernie were fired today but as long as you leave the two in charge the team isn't going to ever get better.

So you make a decision based on what we know and that is from last season Flip and Ernie were clueless and blamed it all on a dead man...

what else do you need to know?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Good news WIZARDS fans..........DELONTE WEST is rumored to be all but dropped by the CELTS for fighting with teammates on multiple occasions while serving a 10 game suspenson imposed by the league for ..........of all things, guns.

imagine having WEST and ARENAS on the same team. We could have WEST plasy DOC HOLIDAY to GILBO's WYATT EARP. Yee, haw good buddy. It's the wild, wild WEST all right!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 29, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

For all those who issue the pre-programmed " don't overreact, it's only one game" stuff, that's beyond the point. I "believe" most anticipated a loss and maybe even a whipping.

This is the thing, the roster keeps consisting of guys who crap their pants in situations like last night. When they Arenas let them down last year, that should not have made as pathetic as they were if roster was worth anything. If cold shooting were the issue that would be fine. They didn't even appear to be running anything though. Then as always with this team, you see a guy get the ball and its "let me get nervous and force up a shot time!"

They didn't look professional at all. I would question if most of those performances would even warrant being back up in the league.

I don't mean to be harsh because I'm definately not the go negative on everybody all the time type but that JMO of what I saw, and more importantly what kind of drafting have you been doing for the last 5 years ???

Posted by: gmac78 | October 29, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

would it make sense to cut armstrong and bring back morrisson? give H and Seraphin time at center and bring on a 3 point shooter who is weak defensively but can make a greater contribution than armstrong

Posted by: spoooooooon | October 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

As has been noted for years now, it's a player's league.

And second, these are adult men who make millions (either annually or over 2-3 years).

People expect the coach to give a Knute Rockne rah-rah speech to motivate them. Please, this isn't high school.

These are grown men. They either motivate themselves or they don't.

Stop blaming the coaches for the shortcomings of the players.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 29, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

SteveMG

I agree this team would be better off without a coach...most of us know by now Flip is clueless when it comes to having a game plan, substitutions and units that play well together.

So why is he here?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 29, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"would it make sense to cut armstrong and bring back morrisson? give H and Seraphin time at center and bring on a 3 point shooter who is weak defensively but can make a greater contribution than armstrong"

Posted by: spoooooooon | October 29, 2010 4:02 PM
____________________________________
Spoon,
I think you've stumbled upon something here. Armstrong was a horrible waste of time and space, and Morrison could at least spot up and hit 3's. We desperately need another deep threat besides Hinrich. I'd like to motion the campaign to bring Adam Morrison back. Would anyone like to second that motion?...

Posted by: WallyWutMD | October 29, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

...most of us know by now Flip is clueless when it comes to having a game plan, substitutions and units that play well together.

Sorry, that wasn't the problem last night. Or, in my opinion, for much of the past 3-4 years.

Did you see that game? They weren't defending a simple pick-and-roll.

These guys have been coached and coached and coached - Jordan and Tapscott and Saunders - on how to defend that play. And they failed to do it. Or even try.

Last night was on the players.

Saunders is a mediocre coach. But Red Auerbach couldn't have won that game last night.

Again: the NBA is a player's league. If the players don't come to play, if they're not motivated themselves, if they're not working on their own game in the offseason, there's nothing management or a coach can do about.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 29, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

@bulletsfan78,

I am a long-time Wizards fan and started blogging about the Wizards for the first time earlier this year, so I'm not sure what you're talking about with this "every year you tell us to wait" blather.

Granted, it would have been wonderful had our Wizards come out of the gates with a resounding win over the Magic and taken turns standing on the scorers table popping their jerseys, but it was not in the cards. We have a young team that is youngest in the league at point guard, the most critical position on the court. Can you slow your roll and give the team a couple months to jell before you declare them dead in the water or, at best, headed in the wrong direction?

Posted by: melodious_thunk | October 29, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"So you make a decision based on what we know and that is from last season Flip and Ernie were clueless and blamed it all on a dead man...

what else do you need to know?"

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 29, 2010 3:30 PM

(1) For you, of all people, to criticize ANYONE for blaming Abe Pollin is the height of hypocrisy.

(2) I'm not aware of ANY statement made by EG or Flip blaming Pollin for the team's failures. In a statement last summer, Leonsis alluded to possible influence by Pollin on the decision to trade the fifth overall pick to Minnesota last year for Miller and Foye, but, as far as I know, EG and Flip haven't publicly blamed Pollin for anything.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 29, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I only caught a couple minutes and it looked awful. What I saw of McGee was pretty good. Evidently the only 2 minutes he looked good.

As far as Blake Griffin goes, he will bang, and no offense to Camby et al, but Portland's front line is not Orlando's.

All I am saying is I wouldn't coronate Griffin as ROY.

Our team is not very good and is green to boot. I predicted 32 wins max. I also think we will see a coupel more games like this. Fortunately most games we will be somewhat competitive. Unfortunately, we will lose more of those than we win.

Hopefully we just improve this year. I think Flip will lose his job this winter and Cassell will replace him.

And that could be very good news.

Posted by: Blurred | October 29, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it. Les BouleS had no chance of winning last night, but who would have thought they would get blown out so badly and look totally disjointed and unmotivated? Gone were the fun and happy go lucky days of the Vegas league.

I didn't much, if any, improvement from any of the players. JaTravel is the same player looking to get a block or dunk, but can't play D to save his life. AB was settling for long J's and avoiding contact. NYoung was shooting impossible J's when there might have been better options/mismatches.

I couldn't figure out why it took Yi so long to get on the court. He settled for a lot of J's also, but he's probably more of a physical presence in the paint compared to AB. Flip looked lost.

As I said before, I was glad to see on tv that Grunfeld was there to witness first hand the 2nd or 3rd debacle of a team that he put together. This all could end before it really gets started.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 29, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Note to Blurred: You had better hope Sam(ET)Cassell does not take over as head coach, exactly what qualities does Cassell posses to qualify him as a head coach? like i've said a hundred times when Grunfeld fired Jordan and then traded all the talent last year he basically set the franchise back fifteen years they will lose no less then 55 games this year and that's why Gil wants out, tell you what as much grief as Gil tried to give Eddie Jordan after Jordan helped him develop into an all-star Gil wishes like hell he could have a do over.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 29, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"Note to Blurred: You had better hope Sam(ET)Cassell does not take over as head coach, exactly what qualities does Cassell posses to qualify him as a head coach? like i've said a hundred times when Grunfeld fired Jordan and then traded all the talent last year he basically set the franchise back fifteen years they will lose no less then 55 games this year and that's why Gil wants out, tell you what as much grief as Gil tried to give Eddie Jordan after Jordan helped him develop into an all-star Gil wishes like hell he could have a do over.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 29, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse "

Gilby's got over $150 mil to keep him warm at night. No worries for him. Gilby wants out of DC b/c he embarrassed and threw into the garbage all the goodwill that DC and the fans extended to him.

WRT to Cassell and his coaching experience, what did Flip Flop's coaching experience do for Les BouleS last season? He coached the team straight into the lottery. The team last season only got blown up after Grunfeld's science experiment of keeping the small 3 together proved worthless.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 29, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

He's a 6th year vet, a guy who proclaimed himself one of the team's leaders and made it clear that he was ready to step up into a central role.
Posted by: kalo_rama

And he got punked last night, no question. At the same time, it was one game, and he also admitted that he got punked. The question is, how will he and the rest of the team respond.

I'm sort of with divi though on wondering why Seraphin wasn't active last night. Teams like the Magic are pretty much the reason they got a guy like him. I know he's nowhere near ready to be a contributor, but having him active for this game makes more sense to me than having H on the roster. At least give Seraphin a taste of what he'll be up against.

Posted by: ts35 | October 29, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm sort of with divi though on wondering why Seraphin wasn't active last night. Teams like the Magic are pretty much the reason they got a guy like him. I know he's nowhere near ready to be a contributor, but having him active for this game makes more sense to me than having H on the roster. At least give Seraphin a taste of what he'll be up against.

Posted by: ts35 | October 29, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

ts35

Seraphin not being actived last night means the kid isn't even close to being ready to play in the NBA and why would a GM waste the 17th pick on a guy like that when the organization needs help in the middle?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 29, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

What did you see in the last night game to say let us wait for few weeks? Rebounding is not going come by wait and see. what was the base for EG draft activity? It must be the 6 million cash that matters to him.Why he did not go for the 11 pick? I am sure it is the 3 million that paid for his trip to france.All I saw on EG last 4 years activity is saving few millions to his employers by exchanging picks so that he could keep his job.
can any body see the quality EG saw on Armstrong over James singlton?
What was the quality that convinced him to bring Yi other than the 3 million?
It is so surprizing when you see other GMs are evaluating the best prospect JJ Hikson at 19, we passed him, M. Gasol, we passed him,we traded our #5 pick to clear our mistake.I think it is time to start fresh.If the owner does not get it, he can continue to fill the VC with this week horses..

Posted by: gtefferra | October 29, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

JaTravel is nowhere near being a starting center in the NBA right now. At most, he should be an energy guy off the bench for the 2nd team.

As iffy as this sounds WRT Grunfeld's decision making ability, I think he needs to do a package deal this season to get an established 5 and 3. I don't think another lottery pick next season is going to make that much of a difference near term, unless Leonsis has Grunfeld on a 5-8 year plan.

Time is up for guys like NY, and possibly AB if he doesn't show anything consistent over the next 10 games.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 29, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't think another lottery pick next season is going to make that much of a difference near term, unless Leonsis has Grunfeld on a 5-8 year plan.

Don't know about Grunfeld being part of it but he's got a 5-year plan. As you know, he's said a number of times that he's following his Caps model.

Picks, young players.

Not sure that can work in the NBA though. Not with the lottery. There's a big drop between the top 3 and 8-10.

My hunch is we'll be seeing a lot more minutes out of Hilton Armstrong.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 29, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

"Don't know about Grunfeld being part of it but he's got a 5-year plan. As you know, he's said a number of times that he's following his Caps model.

Picks, young players.

Not sure that can work in the NBA though. Not with the lottery. There's a big drop between the top 3 and 8-10.

My hunch is we'll be seeing a lot more minutes out of Hilton Armstrong.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 29, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse "

What does Grunfeld's draft history tell you about his ability to evaluate talent. For that matter, how about free agents too.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 29, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

What does Grunfeld's draft history tell you about his ability to evaluate talent. For that matter, how about free agents too.

Well, you need to convince Leonsis, not me. Ted, you reading this?

Looks like Orlando had to use so much energy against the Wizards that they don't have anything left tonight.

Or not.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 29, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"Well, you need to convince Leonsis, not me. Ted, you reading this?

Looks like Orlando had to use so much energy against the Wizards that they don't have anything left tonight.

Or not.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 29, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse "

I wouldn't give Les BouleS too much credit for how Orlando is playing tonight. If Les BouleS took the Magic down to the wire, that's one thing, but a blowout that hit a peak of 35 pts..was it...not so much.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 29, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Isn't is funny though how Orlando got spanked and looked just as bid as the Wizards did.

They looked unbeatable last night and Miami destroyed them tonight.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 29, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"Isn't is funny though how Orlando got spanked and looked just as bid as the Wizards did.

They looked unbeatable last night and Miami destroyed them tonight.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 29, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse "

Are Les BouleS fans supposed to feel better about this? How so?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 29, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Isn't is funny though how Orlando got spanked and looked just as bid as the Wizards did.

They looked unbeatable last night and Miami destroyed them tonight.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 29, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

The Orlando Magic sucks big time. I say the fire Van Gundy and replace him with Flip, who has a pretty good career record and is a proven winner. How could Stan not have gotten his pretenders up for a game against his own in-state rivals, especially with all the hype this game came with. Simply put, he cannot coach. I also say they get rid of Howard. He simply did not come to play in the second half. Zero second-half points AND fouled out. All he does is play defense. He just gets lucky around the basket. And, to boot, they only scored 25 second-half points. I believe they were only about 3 for 17 from deep. Their offense is atrocious!!! They can't shoot to save their lives. Maybe they need to trade Jameer and Rashard (who can't seem to drop the ball into the ocean) for a REAL 3-point shooter. Then they can turn the point over to JWill and he can penetrate and dish for dimes all day long.

A team as bad as the Magic don't deserve to play in such a swank arena. They need to blow it all up. N-O-W-!-!-! Tonight's performance was absolutely horrendous. There was simply no excuse for them to play like that!!!

Posted by: bpybay | October 29, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

O-Town's biggest mistake was letting Turk leave.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 29, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

What's so funny? How bad the Wizards are going to lose to Miami...

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 29, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

LOL I have to admit I enjoyed watching Orlando get toasted by Miami (96-70). Superman fouled out in 29 minutes and Jameer Nelson finished up with a single assist (the team as a whole had 5). The 3 point specialists sank 17% of their shots from the arc.

Not much fun on the road in the NBA, is it, guys?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 30, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

"I'm sort of with divi though on wondering why Seraphin wasn't active last night. Teams like the Magic are pretty much the reason they got a guy like him. I know he's nowhere near ready to be a contributor, but having him active for this game makes more sense to me than having H on the roster. At least give Seraphin a taste of what he'll be up against.Posted by: ts35"

The team is behind by 35 in the second half and we're wondering why Kevin Seraphin isn't active?

That's picking some serious nits.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 30, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

"ike i've said a hundred times when Grunfeld fired Jordan and then traded all the talent last year he basically set the franchise back fifteen years they will lose no less then 55 games this year and that's why Gil wants out, tell you what as much grief as Gil tried to give Eddie Jordan after Jordan helped him develop into an all-star Gil wishes like hell he could have a do over.
Posted by: dargregmag"

You only said that a hundred times? I was thinking closer to a thousand.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 30, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Also it looks like Demarcus Cousins went to school against Brook Lopez of the Nets. Cousings fouled out in 20 minutes. Lopez went on to score 29.

Must be early season...

Posted by: Samson151 | October 30, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

"Isn't is funny though how Orlando got spanked and looked just as bid as the Wizards did."

Not really. All it means is that if the Wiz had played Miami instead of Orlando, they'd have lost by 50 instead of 30.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 30, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Also it looks like Demarcus Cousins went to school against Brook Lopez of the Nets. Cousings fouled out in 20 minutes. Lopez went on to score 29.

Must be early season...

Posted by: Samson151 | October 30, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Exactly!!! One game does not a season make, good or bad.

Posted by: bpybay | October 30, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

"And he got punked last night, no question. At the same time, it was one game, and he also admitted that he got punked. The question is, how will he and the rest of the team respond."

Fail to see how any of that is an excuse. Again, it has nothing to do with numbers or box score. Blatche came out and barely gave an effort. There's no excuse for that. Wall had a terrible game, but he at least appeared to be trying. Blatche acted like he couldn't be bothered.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 30, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Not really. All it means is that if the Wiz had played Miami instead of Orlando, they'd have lost by 50 instead of 30.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 30, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Not necessarily. Strong opposing front lines are going to give us fits because our bigs don't play big. We are young and athletic, and match up much better against the Heat than we do against the Magic. Teams with imposing front lines (e.g., Magic, Celtics) are going to routinely embarrass us. Of course, we will lose to Miami, but won't look nearly as inept as against the aforementioned teams. I do NOT want to see the Celtics (or Magic again) any time soon.

Posted by: bpybay | October 30, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

"We are young and athletic, and match up much better against the Heat than we do against the Magic."

You realize that's nonsense, right? There's not a single player on the Wizards roster with a prayer of guarding Lebron or Wade. And if Blatche and McGee couldn't stay in front of Marcin Gortat on his way to the basket, it's unlikely they'd have had better luck with Bosh. Between the three of them they could have easily racked up 70 against the Wizards. Meanwhile, against the defense Miami put up on the Magic, the Wiz would have been lucky to score 70 total as a team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 30, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Strong opposing front lines are going to give us fits because our bigs don't play big.

Make that "imposing front lines ...." Not proofing my posts very well these days. My bad.

Posted by: bpybay | October 30, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

You realize that's nonsense, right? There's not a single player on the Wizards roster with a prayer of guarding Lebron or Wade. And if Blatche and McGee couldn't stay in front of Marcin Gortat on his way to the basket, it's unlikely they'd have had better luck with Bosh. Between the three of them they could have easily racked up 70 against the Wizards. Meanwhile, against the defense Miami put up on the Magic, the Wiz would have been lucky to score 70 total as a team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 30, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Although I agree with most of your post, in terms of what the Heat bring to the table, success in basketball, more than any other sport (in my opinion) is more contingent on its cerebral aspects. You can if you believe you can. The Wiz simply got beat up physically by the more imposing Magic, and that physical imposition intimidated them to the tune of a team-wide deer-in-the-headlights look that they wore all game long. You could see in their faces that they did not believe they had ANY chance of winning that game. They truly did get "punked out."

I really don't believe we will be as intimidated by the Heat because they don't have the same kind of size, and although the Heat's defense could wear us down, I don't really believe the Heat will play that way, simply because they won't feel a need to do so, given that we aren't considered in any way, shape or form, a "test" for them.

But I reiterate (since it is popular to be misquoted on this board), we will NOT beat the Heat.

Posted by: bpybay | October 30, 2010 1:55 AM | Report abuse

"Although I agree with most of your post, in terms of what the Heat bring to the table, success in basketball, more than any other sport (in my opinion) is more contingent on its cerebral aspects. You can if you believe you can."

More nonsense, mixed with a liberal helping of gobbledygook.

That argument only even pretends to make sense if you believe they went into the game thinking they had no shot to beat the Magic. Otherwise all you're really saying is that they went into the game thinking they could beat Orlando, then wilted mentally (as well as physically) when they realized how badly outmatched they were). And if they're that weak-minded and timid, then there's no reason to think exactly the same thing wouldn't have happened against the Heat, against whom they'd be just as badly outmatched. The only difference would have been the method of domination, not the fact of it. Outmatched is outmatched.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 30, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Well, we have to admit the strengh of miami.
They were the #1 team ,allowing fewest points last season.They are building on their identitiy.
The core for their defense,Haslem and their center are in the team,LJ is an excellent defender,Bash is a good rebounder.The offense will come slowly.I will like to see them how they are going to handle boston.Orlando will recover,i think it is an early back to back game for them.I am expecting wiz to push it aganist Atlanta to night. Atlanta was on court last night.

Posted by: gtefferra | October 30, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

You realize that's nonsense, right? There's not a single player on the Wizards roster with a prayer of guarding Lebron or Wade. And if Blatche and McGee couldn't stay in front of Marcin Gortat on his way to the basket, it's unlikely they'd have had better luck with Bosh. Between the three of them they could have easily racked up 70 against the Wizards. Meanwhile, against the defense Miami put up on the Magic, the Wiz would have been lucky to score 70 total as a team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 30, 2010 1:22 AM


Match ups and style of play does not correlate from one team to the next. The Magics pummeled the Wizards, the following night the Magics got clobbered by the Heat so when the Heat play the Wizards it will be a complete mauling. Complete fallacy

Posted by: spades72 | October 30, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

There does seem to be a playbook for beating Orlando, one that Boston and Miami have down pat. Doesn't involve running up and down the court with them. Does involve slowing the game down, playing interior defense, and hitting some jump shots.

Miami didn't exactly 'stop' Howard (8-15), but they did keep him off the offensive boards and eventually fouled him out. The game was pretty close in the first half but the second was no contest. And as for the outside shooting -- starters Vince Carter, Q Richardson, and Rashard Lewis combined for one (count it) one FG between them.

But the real star (outside of the Three) was Udonis Haslem and his 11 rebounds in 23 minutes. Might not be the last time that happens in the early season, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 30, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

So now Booker and Seraphin are to blame because they failed to cover up your boy's inadequacies? You're like a two-smokestack, walking excuse factory.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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If Booker and Seraphin cannot play, then it is EG's fault. If they can play, but didn't (Seraphin wasn't even activated) then it is Flip's fault.

BTW, watching Booker played in Orlando game, I am still not convinced that he is physical enough to be the enforcer, and be able to fight for real estate down low. I saw him got push around in at least one sequence. However, he did get 2 rebounds in 10 minutes (against Orlando reserves), which is higher than the team average (25 rebounds in total of 240 minutes). LOL!

Posted by: sagaliba | October 30, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"If Booker and Seraphin cannot play, then it is EG's fault. If they can play, but didn't (Seraphin wasn't even activated) then it is Flip's fault." posted by sagaliba

There's a flaw in that argument. We're talking about one game, the season's first, an epic blowout. A game like that, with no hope of victory, is basically a throwaway.

So generalizations we make about Seraphin (who didn't play) or Booker (who played only 10 minutes) are inherently silly. And defending generalizations once removed -- like assigning blame to EG or Flip -- are even sillier.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 30, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"And he got punked last night, no question. At the same time, it was one game, and he also admitted that he got punked. The question is, how will he and the rest of the team respond."

Fail to see how any of that is an excuse. Again, it has nothing to do with numbers or box score. Blatche came out and barely gave an effort. There's no excuse for that. Wall had a terrible game, but he at least appeared to be trying. Blatche acted like he couldn't be bothered.
Posted by: kalo_rama

There wasn't anything in there that was an excuse. He got punked. They totally psyched him out. Period. End of statement. However, unless they are cutting him, or the Wizards have decided to forfeit the rest of their games (I'm sure right now there are advocates for both), he's going to have an opportunity to respond. The question (again, for the reading impaired) is "Will he?" And will the rest of the team? Or have they already bought into an idea that they aren't going to the playoffs this year, so why try? The only small sliver of positive I took from it was that AB didn't seem to be delusional about it. He knows he got punked. I didn't hear lot of excuses from him.

As Orlando so clearly showed, it's possible to look like world beaters one night and doggie doo doo the next. No matter how badly the Wiz played -- and it was about as pathetic a display as I can remember -- it was one game. For a team most expected to be lottery bound again, there were bound to be gut-checks. Well they got their first one game one. Now we get to see if this team has any level of character, or if it's going to be a long, dismal season.

Posted by: ts35 | October 30, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"I'm sort of with divi though on wondering why Seraphin wasn't active last night. "

The team is behind by 35 in the second half and we're wondering why Kevin Seraphin isn't active?

That's picking some serious nits.

Posted by: Samson151

Why? I'm not saying he would have made the final score any better, not saying EG and Flip should be fired for not having him on the active roster, just asking the question.

The team has implied (if not outright said) that part of this season is about developing players, and is as much about the future as the present.

There's nothing I've heard or seen that says that H is farther along in his development that KS. So if KS is someday supposed to be a physical presence to help against stronger, more physical teams like Orlando, why not have him available just in case he can get some PT? Is there more value is H getting those 4 minutes? Is KS hurt? Do they deem him not even ready for garbage minutes? Just curious.

And apologies if asking a side question takes us too far away from the "Woe is us!" narrative.

Posted by: ts35 | October 30, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Samson151,

Granted, it is unfair to judge on single game. However, I am just stating that where the "blame" should go (if people wants to assess blame that is). There is no flaw in the logic other than the fact that I do agree with you 1 game is not enough to make the judgment.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 30, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

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