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Wizards still facing decisions for final roster


We've got to cut somebody. (Photo by Joel Richardson/for The Washington Post)


Adam Morrison got his most extended run of the preseason on Tuesday in Toledo, playing 26 minutes -- the most of any non-starter -- in the Wizards' 98-92 loss to the Detroit Pistons. Morrison finished with eight points, two rebounds and two assists, and will soon find out if that is the last time he wears a Wizards uniform.

"It's a waiting game," Morrison said afterward. "I just have to go hard in practice, see what happens."

The Wizards took a day off on Wednesday after concluding the exhibition season with a 3-4 record and losing their final three games. But for five of the 17 players on the roster without guaranteed contracts -- Morrison, Cartier Martin, Lester Hudson, Hamady Ndiaye and Sean Marks -- there is some uneasiness over whether they have done enough to secure one of the possibly three available roster spots.

Coach Flip Saunders used the final two games as an opportunity to get a better look at both Martin and Morrison. He held out Morrison from the New York game and gave Martin the start. Martin struggled with his shot against the Knicks, sometimes passing up open looks, but he played well defensively against Danilo Gallinari. Martin played only 28 seconds against Detroit as Saunders let Morrison get most of the action. Morrison made his first two shots, missed his next three, but made all four of his free throws.

"They know what I can do," Morrison, the No. 3 overall pick of the 2006 NBA draft, said. "For me, the biggest thing is to show that I can rebound and defend and play team basketball. That's always been the issue with me. I thought I did that. But Lester and Cartier also played well and I respect [the Wizards'] decision, either way they go."

Finding more depth at the small forward position will be important, with Josh Howard expected to be out the first few weeks of the regular season as he recovers from a torn ACL. The battle between Morrison and Martin has been one of the more hotly contested in training camp, with the two often going head-to-head in practice. They kept it close in their preseason appearances, too.

In four preseason games, Morrison averaged 5.0 points, while shooting 43.8 percent (40 percent from beyond the three-point line) with 2.0 rebounds and 1.5 assists in 19.3 minutes. Martin appeared in five games and shot the ball extremely well, making 57.1 percent of his three point attempts and 56.3 percent of his shots overall. He averaged 4.6 points, 2.4 rebounds and 0.8 steals in 16.2 minutes.

Hudson will be remembered for hitting the game-winning three-pointer in the preseason opener in Dallas, but his minutes were squeezed with Saunders wanting point guards John Wall, Kirk Hinrich and Gilbert Arenas to get used to playing with each other. The combo guard averaged 4.3 points and 1.9 assists in just under 10 minutes a game, but he shot just 34.5 percent from the field. "I think I played okay, solid," Hudson said. "I could've played better. It's preseason, we still got practice. I hope everything works out."

Ndiaye appeared in the fewest games (three) of any player who was available for all seven contests, but the 7-foot second-round pick was extremely animated on the floor. He also has been extremely likable with his perpetual smile, energy, and eagerness to do whatever is asked of him. The Wizards face a risk in cutting him and possibly losing his rights, but they would also have to decide whether to sign him to a guaranteed deal when they don't have plans to use him this season.

Sean Marks, a 10-year-veteran, missed nearly all of training camp and the preseason with a strained right hamstring. He returned to practice on Monday but didn't play against Detroit even though he was available.

Saunders said that he, his staff and President Ernie Grunfeld would use the next few days in practice to make a final decision. Grunfeld has always expressed an intent to take no more than 14 players into opening night in Orlando on Oct. 28. But he opened the door for some wiggle room, with the team able have a 15th player without fully guaranteeing the contract until early January. So, they could go a number of ways, and have until Monday to make a final decision. What do you think the Wizards should do?

By Michael Lee  | October 20, 2010; 3:15 PM ET
 
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Gotta keep Ndiaye for his potential and energy. I'd like to keep Morrison, just in case he gets hot with a lot of open shots created by Wall.

Then it is either between Martin or Hudson. Both (especailly Hudson though) had a great summer-league, makes it difficult. I really like Hudson (like everyone else I really enjoyed the team's reaction to his pre-season game winner) but maybe gotta go Martin to give more depth at the 3. Although, if they going to frequently use the 3 guard line-up, maybe we'd be okay with Hudson.

How's that for a wishy-washy decision???

Posted by: japhy_ryder | October 20, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

folks rag on NY, but would luv to keep AdMo hilarious.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 20, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Is Morrison a poor man's Wally Szczerbiak? I don't see it. Martin is a coach's choice. Morrison a front office choice.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 20, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Morrison is "The Great White Hope's Choice" there is no way he belongs on a NBA roster this year. He'll have to earn his way back into the L by playing overseas. He just doesn't look like an NBA player. I was as big an AdMo fan as there could be in terms of black teenagers. He was a Gonzaga U guy i was a Gonzaga college HS guy, but i used to really like his game, school names non withstanding. It's sad that injury slowed him down, but right now he can't guard anybody and as my homie divi3 said that sweet jumper is a thing of myth and legend.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 20, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Really surprised that Morrison is 2nd.

Are we wishing on what we think he can do, but hasn't shown that he is capable of doing so far in his pro career?

I just can't see banking on Morrison's upside that may never materiaze over what all of the others can do now.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 20, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Morrison should be in Utah with all the other white boys

Posted by: nativedc | October 20, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

With respect to the 15th slot, I would offer a non-gauranteed contract and let the circumstance going forward dictate from here.

I would offer it to Hamady and not Sean. Sean still may be available to sign later because he may not get picked up, but Hamady stands a good chance of being snatched.

So, there you have it, AdMo and Sean are out.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 20, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Morrison is not an NBA player IMO.

Even when there were injuries the Lakers gave him ZERO minutes of court time.

If the NBA was simply a game of HORSE Morrison would be an all-star.

But there is more to being a pro player than strictly pulling up and shooting.

You have to be able to create, move without the ball, rebound and get back and play credible defense.

Morrison doesn't do any of these things.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | October 20, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

You know Morrison is THAT-bad because he has no overseas offers that have been reported. White NBA players are a coveted commodity overseas.

Posted by: closg | October 20, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Is Morrison a poor man's Wally Szczerbiak? I don't see it. Martin is a coach's choice. Morrison a front office choice.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 20, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

This is a pretty good point, although doesn't it seem like Morrison has a higher ceiling than Martin or Hudson?

Posted by: japhy_ryder | October 20, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Morrison should be in Utah with all the other white boys

Posted by: nativedc

Ouch, my little white feelings are hurt. Still, Morrison blows and should be playing in Puerto Rican B League.

Posted by: creativefunk | October 20, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

This is a pretty good point, although doesn't it seem like Morrison has a higher ceiling than Martin or Hudson?

Posted by: japhy_ryder

Based on what?

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Based on what?

Posted by: ts35

I guess just based on the idea that the more really good, spot-up shooters on this team the better? Also because of what he was able to do in college?

But he hasn't been able to come close to that on what, three teams now?

So, I'm going to stop defending him. Really, I'd be okay with any two out of Morrison, Hudson, and Martin.

Posted by: japhy_ryder | October 20, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Morrison should be in Utah with all the other white boys

Posted by: nativedc | October 20, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

lmao..!!


but in all seriousness Morrison is a poor mans Mike Miller...extremley poor

Posted by: mrhney03 | October 20, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

This is a pretty good point, although doesn't it seem like Morrison has a higher ceiling than Martin or Hudson?

Posted by: japhy_ryder


Based on what?

Posted by: ts35

I guess just based on the idea that the more really good, spot-up shooters on this team the better? Also because of what he was able to do in college?

Posted by: japhy_ryder

That's one of his biggest problems. He was a bonafide superstar in college. His college stardom earned him the #3 overall draft pick. Since then he's either been hurt or unable to crack the lineup in LA or Char. Folks harp on us for defending NY because he's had a handful of really good games, but nothing consistent; and here you are pumpin up AdMo who's never shown he can play in the NBA. I guess it's a white thing that i just wouldn't understand.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 20, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

but in all seriousness Morrison is a poor mans Mike Miller...extremley poor

Posted by: mrhney03 | October 20, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

If Flip here's you say that, he'll splooge in his trousers and throw AdMo a uni.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 20, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Really, I'd be okay with any two out of Morrison, Hudson, and Martin.
Posted by: japhy_ryder

I think they all have pretty much the same ceiling - role player. Morrison already has that lottery money, so I favor the other players. Spread that NBA money around! In three years, I'll be disappointed if any of these players are still here.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 20, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

In light of the aforementioned "love", not only do I hope he makes the team but becomes a regular contributor when called upon...I know both are a long shot but how sweet it would be...AmMo!!

Posted by: spoooooooon | October 20, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

and here you are pumpin up AdMo who's never shown he can play in the NBA. I guess it's a white thing that i just wouldn't understand.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Was he pumpin him up that far? I believe he was saying that AdMo -- a former #3 pick and college star -- has more upside than two guys -- one undrafted, one taken at the back end of round 2 -- also fighting for the end of the bench.

Why's that a white thing? Do you defend NY because he's black?

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Morrison should look into Singleton's chinese team, apparently they pay more than the nba minimum and they want ex-nba players to light the place up. Not one of the top10 scorers in the league is chinese.

Charles Gaines (SW Missouri State) was MVP and averaged 30pts/night. Also imparted an important cultural lesson here:

http://video.sina.com.cn/p/sports/cba/v/2010-04-19/164360519932.html

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

He was a bonafide superstar in college.Posted by: lilhollywood10

That's his appeal. Morrison and Redick were like Sosa and McGwire without the roids.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 20, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

As fun as Hudson's game-winners are, reality is he's not good at running the offense. Is it merely a coincidence that the Wiz blew the lead EVERYTIME he was playing? I'd cut him and wait to see what other teams let go of veteran 3rd string PG's.

Martin's clearly outdone Morrisson, and is a more complete player. No-brainer. The Wiz already have a project center in Seraphin. Ndiaye is less talented, and I'd rather sign a veteran big who gets cut from someone else's camp as insurance.

Of those 5, I'd only keep Martin, and leave the other roster spots free.

Posted by: sasrza | October 20, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Folks harp on us for defending NY because he's had a handful of really good games, but nothing consistent; and here you are pumpin up AdMo who's never shown he can play in the NBA. I guess it's a white thing that i just wouldn't understand.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Why are people bringing Young into this? Just because there is talk about each person's "potential"? I don't get that...

Posted by: japhy_ryder | October 20, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

To go with his decent basketball skill set, Cartier Martin also brings several other intangibles that are certain to benefit the Wizards as a team. Namely: his affable nature, general poise and coachable attitude. Yes, he is trying to make the team and as such is putting on his best face; however, I get the sense of a genuine and humble spirit about him, which makes for a good counterbalance to some of the more intense personalities on the team.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | October 20, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I'd be surprised if Martin doesn't make the team, it's actually a bit absurd for Mike Lee to write as if the competition has been neck-and-neck between him and Morrison. Obvious to anyone watching one guy can play in the nba and the other can't.

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

@Divi

I definitely agree, but I think djnnnou had it right. Martin would be the coach's pick, Morrison is the front office (or rather the PR dept) pick. Morrison gets cheered based on his college career and his name recognition. People barely notice when Martin checks in.

That being said, ultimately fans would rather win games. To whatever extent guys 11, 12, 13 have an effect on the game, Martin gives them a better chance to win than AdMo.

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

With Thorton, Howard, and Yi how many more 3's do you need? Not to mention KH will be seeing a lot of 3 action as well. I'd like to see Morrison on the roster to spread the floor, an Nick Young playing the 2 with KH running the point at times, I guess we'll see.

Posted by: Gooddad | October 20, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

We're talking about guys who won't play much if at all in Flip's rotation -- unless several people get hurt, or traded. Ndiaye would be No. 4 at the 5 spot (#5 if you count Yi, and apparently Flip is counting on him for some "5"). Morrison would be No. 4 at the 3 spot, behind Howard, Thornton, Young and Booker (No. 5 or 6 if you put Martin in the mix.

We've got three point guards already, so I think you're looking at Martin and Hudson as back-up 2 guards, with Martin being able to swing to the 3 if needed. I think both stick.

Ndiaye would be worth keeping around for the long haul, if they want to keep 15. I don't think Morrison has shown enough to be worth keeping.

Posted by: zinger1 | October 20, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

racial hatred, alive and well

Posted by: bestmick1 | October 20, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

We're talking about guys who won't play much if at all in Flip's rotation -- unless several people get hurt, or traded.

Am I crazy to think NY could be dunzo? I could see Martin getting some real burn before JH returns.


Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

1. ADAM MORRISON YOU all are going off who you like but im going off who can actually play i was a fan of adam morrison i college he cant compete in the nba on defense period or rebound.

2.LESTER HUDSON -CAN FLAT OUT PLAY DEFEND ,REBOUND,SHOOT COMPLETE PLAYER YES HE NEEDS A LIL TOUCH UP AT PG BUT HE IS NOT FAR CAN PLAY UNDER PRESSURE FLAT OUT BALL PLAYER HAD A GOOD SUMMER LEAGUE, TRAINING CAMP & PRE SEASON .

3.CARTIER MARTIN - CAN DEFEND SHOOT UNDER PRESSURE A LITTLE SELFISH WITH THE BASKETBALL BUT BETTER THAN MORRISON.

HANDS DOWN NOBODY ELSE SHOULD MAKE THIS TEAM BUT (LESTER HUDSON & CARTIER MARTIN)

Posted by: PLUG | October 20, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Am I crazy to think NY could be dunzo? I could see Martin getting some real burn before JH returns.


Posted by: divi3

nope, you may be right on.

Posted by: creativefunk | October 20, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

HANDS DOWN NOBODY ELSE SHOULD MAKE THIS TEAM BUT (LESTER HUDSON & CARTIER MARTIN)

Posted by: PLUG

wow, even your handle is in all caps.

Posted by: creativefunk | October 20, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

If race is an issue for some people regarding Morrison, and they feel he is only getting a position because of his skin color, is it then feasible that they need his intelligence? Kind of a crappppyy thing to say huh?

Posted by: 1bmffwb | October 20, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

lol(CAPS) watching three things @ once but I pick Lester Hudson & Cartier they work hard whenever they are on the court but Its the teams decision not mine I wish all three make it adam,cartier,&hudson

Posted by: PLUG | October 20, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

is it then feasible that they need his intelligence? Kind of a crappppyy thing to say huh?

He's shown, quite literally, NOTHING that would indicate he has the game needed to make the team. Not the skills, the athleticism, nor the bball iq. The crappy part is you just made an assumption that because he's white he has bball iq.

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse


The crappy part is you just made an assumption that because he's white he has bball iq.

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 7:38 PM

Just as people have made the assumption that he's under consideration because he's white. Both assumptions are equally offensive.

Posted by: tgif11 | October 20, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Just as people have made the assumption that he's under consideration because he's white. Both assumptions are equally offensive.

The guy is clearly the worst player on the team, yet apparently many people want him on the club. Whether it's because of his college career, his skin color, or a combo of both....clearly it's correct to assume SOMETHING other than basketball ability accounts for it.

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

We're talking about the #14 and #15 players on the team. These guys, unless there's major injuries, will be lucky to play 500 minutes all year.

They're blowout scrubs.

Adam Morrison won't be kept to attract white fans. Hell, if he's kept he's not going to play much if at all. Who the heck is going to watch the Wizards because Morrison is the #15 player?

Posted by: SteveMG | October 20, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Morrison has not been given a good chance to show his stuff with the Wiz. In 2009 he led the Lakers summer league team with 20.8 points per game.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/players/index.jsp?player=adam_morrison

That's summer league, sure, but it shouldn't be ignored. I think him and Martin should make the team. Everyone else, tough luck. The world needs ditch-diggers too.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | October 20, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I think Marks, Martin and NDJaye make the team. Morrison is an average scorer who can't defend the post or wing. Really, he shouldn't be in the league. Marks is a veteran big and we need that. Martian is a good sf for depth, he's good at everything and great at nothing. NDjaye should kept because in 2 years he will be the next Dikembe Mutombo or a poor mans one. IMO we can't take the chance of losing his services for the future. He will take time to develop just as McGee has because of how raw they are but if we are patient, it will pay off.

Posted by: avbanig | October 20, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Who the heck is going to watch the Wizards because Morrison is the #15 player?

...and sitting at the end of the bench?

He can score a little - nice shooter when he can get his shot off - but he's overmatched defensively and can't do anything else. That's a "nice" luxury to have but this team can't afford such luxuries.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 20, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I woul keep Ndiaye first and foremost! You cant be too deep with 7 footers who can defend & give some fouls in the paint. He reminds me of Dikembe Mutumbo.

He's really the only one I care about keeping. I like Martin & Hudson if we keep 15, but I'd like to see who gets cut from other teams to possibly fill those spots.

Martin is worth keeping though so we can hear about The Cartier Files starring Joan Collins & David Hasselhoff all season!

Posted by: Darnell1 | October 20, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

ts35 - RE: Singleton

The fact that no NBA team was willing to outbid a Chinese team for him actually says NOTHING. According to that logic, the fact that John Starks, Ben Wallace, Brad Miller, Jose Calderon, etc. were bypassed by every team in the draft means that they had no upside. Or the fact that Juwan Howard got hundreds of millions meant that he was a superstar-caliber player.

If you grab 20+ boards in a game in the league, you can play. End of story. And, the Wiz are rebounding starved. They botched it.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | October 20, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I am very surprised no one yet has compared Trevor Booker to Charles Barkley, whom he resembles in both height (Booker is actually one-inch taller) and rebounding strength. Barkley was a little heavier, but both players define bulky, and both have pretty nasty court dispositions. I think the height issue is way overblown, and Trevor is primed for a great career.

I believe that over the next couple of years, this pick will prove to be one of the more savvy moves by EG.

Posted by: bpybay | October 20, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Who the heck is going to watch the Wizards because Morrison is the #15 player?

Isn't Nick Young #15? Nobody's saying that Morrison would be the only factor in someone's decision to buy a ticket. There are those shelves above the urinals, too.

Posted by: djnnnou | October 20, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

"We don't know. We still don't know what Gil's situation is," Saunders said. "He's doing some things. I don't know if we're going to go that way. I still have to look at a lot more Orlando film to see what we can do to exploit any weaknesses they might have."

Wonder if they're in "move Gil at any and all costs" mode.

Posted by: divi3 | October 20, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Dive3-It was a rhetorical question. How can a guy be on an NBA roster and have no redeeming qualities concerning basketball. If you say it is only because he is white, then someone else could say maybe it is because he is intelligent, since it is not talent. Both statements are crapppyy-----The people that want him on the club is because they hope he can consistently drain the open jumper, just as he proved he could do it in college. So far he has not proven it. N'Diaye has the height, college defensive achievements and athleticism to be given a chance to develop. We lose him if he is not kept on the main roster. Martin has played his rear end off. Jack of all trades and may develop into a fine player, at least he will be competitive. Hudson has shown some spark, needs work as a point guard, can be streaky. Morrison has been a good shooter, his potential is the issue, can he reach it. Keep N'Diaye and Martin.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | October 20, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

"Is Morrison a poor man's Wally Szczerbiak? I don't see it. Martin is a coach's choice. Morrison a front office choice."
"Morrison is "The Great White Hope's Choice" there is no way he belongs on a NBA roster this year....He just doesn't look like an NBA player."
"Morrison should be in Utah with all the other white boys."

OK, is there a contest for stupidest post?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 21, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

"Just as people have made the assumption that he's under consideration because he's white. Both assumptions are equally offensive."

Offensive? Not particularly. Stupid? Yes.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 21, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Considering Les BouleS will win 27 games and 15th man will log fewer mins than Stewie, we shud probably go with big dude. He could "help" on nights when JaTravel has huffed and puffed his way to 6 fouls (which is like every night).

rofl but EG will probably go with the undersized,slow, no-defense-playing white crybaby ex-lottery pick -- better fit for Les BouleS.

I can't wait for the press conference.

Where's Dermarr Johnson lol

Posted by: prescrunk | October 21, 2010 3:41 AM | Report abuse

John Thompson on his show indicates that this Wizard team will not win 40 games this year.

I have to disagree. 26 games won last year without Gilbert, John Wall, Haywood, Jamison, and Butler for a significant portion of the season would indicate to me that 14 more wins with this Team is attainable.

I don't think that the NBA is so much better as a whole that this Team with Flip doing a good job of coaching can't win 40 games.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 21, 2010 4:02 AM | Report abuse

For me, for this team not to win or sniff at 40 games would mean that they underperfomed and turned out to be a disappointment.

If they play well and meet reasonable expectations, the League isn't that much better all the way around to keep this Team from 40 wins.

Even with Larry Brown firmly entrenched in Charlotte, I don't see us being any worse than them.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 21, 2010 4:08 AM | Report abuse

The comment with Flip doing a good job of coaching is were the problem starts. This is a better team than last yr. The east is better with miami and ny getting better. The has a problem in Ernie drafting 6'7"pf and Flip dreaming of starting 3 gaurds under 6'4" on a team that can't rebound. The big men starve for the ball in the post so they drift out just so they can touch the ball. If you don't believe me just watch the game and see how many times the wiz actually pass the ball to the post. Haywood complained about it and now Blatche and McGee are. Wiz wouldn't pass Shack or Howard the ball in the post the way Flip runs his offense.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | October 21, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

What do you think the Wizards should do? ............ FIRE GRUNFELD!

Posted by: getjiggly1 | October 21, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

What do you think the Wizards should do? ............ FIRE GRUNFELD!

Posted by: getjiggly1 | October 21, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

"This is a better team than last yr. The east is better with miami and ny getting better. The has a problem in Ernie drafting 6'7"pf and Flip dreaming of starting 3 gaurds under 6'4" on a team that can't rebound. The big men starve for the ball in the post so they drift out just so they can touch the ball. If you don't believe me just watch the game and see how many times the wiz actually pass the ball to the post. Haywood complained about it and now Blatche and McGee are. Wiz wouldn't pass Shack or Howard the ball in the post the way Flip runs his offense.Posted by: rnbrown4"

I don't know how we can look at this team as presently constituted and convince ourselves that it's better than last year. The Wiz have added one extremely talented player who will be appearing in his first game. Their other rooks include one who might contribute some and two who probably won't. They've added a solid all-around third guard but their lone inside scoring threat is coming off rehab and their lone outside scoring threat looks like he'd rather be somewhere else.

This is a team to be patient with, to meet with lowered expectations. Oh sure, it might not feel as good as the fantasies, but reality has its uses, too.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 21, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Reality is that the Wiz looked in a lot better shape, team-wise, going into last season. Turned out to be an illusion, of course. Now Washington has a chance to start over, and we should be grateful for that. But I imagine the team is also preparing for who might be available in next year's lottery.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 21, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Whoever it is that gets the 15th spot ain't gonna be playing much so from a production standpoint this season it don't really make a difference who they keep. The true decision comes with regards to whether the Wizards want to further bolster their locker room (i.e. - Morrison, a worthless player yet experienced professional whose presence may be appreciated in practice and on the road etc. to help provide another mature presence for a very young roster) or if the Wizards want to further build for the future (i.e. - Hudson or Ndiaye who while aren't doing much are still relatively young and raw enough that there is potential for growth) so we'll see what the Wizards mindset is depending on who they keep.

Posted by: blackman1 | October 21, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Samson,

I don't see how when you look at everything as a whole and the entire year last year, why you feel this team isn't better.

The only position that isn't better or equal to last year is the three position, and Howard changes that when he comes back.

McGee as a starter, though young and experienced is not a downgrade from Haywood.

Blatche I like better as power forward than Jamison.

The three with Butler was better though he underperformed, Howard, when he comes back will be an upgrade.

Arenas at the two is an overtheboard quantifiable upgrade.

Wall at point guard is an upgrade over Arenas as a point guard.

RNBROWN4 has a great point that Flip is a huge key. The vets on paper were strong last year but their performance left a lot to be desired. Was it all because of Flip's coaching and the blowup, or was it because of underperforming vets and the blowup.

Either way, if Flip isn't the issue I feel that this Young Team with the sprinkle of NBA knowhow of Arenas, Blatche, Hinrich, Young, Yi, and McGee might not be as snotty nosed as people think.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 21, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

just watch the game and see how many times the wiz actually pass the ball to the post. Haywood complained about it and now Blatche and McGee are. Wiz wouldn't pass Shack or Howard the ball in the post the way Flip runs his offense.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | October 21, 2010 7:01 AM

Really?? The big men on Flip's previous squads didnt seem to have any problem... And When/where did AB and JaTravel complain? The fact that they may not get a lot of touches in the low post has more to do with the fact that they cannot be trusted with the ball in the low post.

JM has no offensive moves. None. AB is Twan Jr. (but less effective), a non-bruising creampuff 4 who hucks up garbage threes, softy finger-rolls and uncontested fadeaways. Brenda was maybe the most frustrating big man in Les Boules history, regularly making a hash of it with his clown dribble drives and off-balance jumpers, often while being guarded by someone much smaller.

Heed your own advice: just watch a game.

Posted by: prescrunk | October 21, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

^ @kalo_rama aren't you gonna thank me for doing your job for u?

Posted by: prescrunk | October 21, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I just watched "once brothers" with divac and petrovic(kukoc, radja and others).It amazes me how much better foreign born white players are than US born. The Yugo team whupped on Mourning,Laetnner, Billy Owens and others of the same age and Divac, Kukoc, Radja and Petro all had decent NBA careers. Radja was a 20 ppg scorer one year- and petro was best white 2 guard since Jerry West(for a yr then tragedy). Is this because they develop in a vacuum with the race baiting in USA where all white players are considered "coaches pets" til they prove otherwise. I

Posted by: olderbutwiser | October 21, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

It has been twice I have heard that in Orlando that Rashard Lewis should really be playing the three position which is really a more natural position for the way he plays and this would allow the Majic to go with a more traditional power forward that would give Howard more help in the paint.

What they have also realized is that the phenomenon of when they had Skip To My Lou, was that he was a quick set the Team point guard and the tempo was better.

Nelson, though a good point guard, his skill at setting the Team up and keeping the offense clicking isn't as good as Rafer Alston was with the Majic.

Chris Duhon was signed for this reason, it has been reported.

Two things I have always commented upon in talking about these Wizards. Big Men need help in the paint to do all the things expected of them and you can't just trot one Big out on the court and expect him to perform by himself. Flip has a problem of playing big.

With the extreme talents of John Wall, there shoudn't be any way that Flip screws up the tempo of the Team.

However, with this Team Flip may not feel the need to play Yi, McGee, and Blatche together, but extended minutes of the three of them on the court together may go a long way to giving the Wizards good backcourt play.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 21, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how we can look at this team as presently constituted and convince ourselves that it's better than last year.

The current roster would embarrass last year's club on many nights. Older, dead legs vs young, springloaded wheels at several positions.

Can anyone honestly say they'd take an AJ/BTH/Oberto frontline vs AB/JM/Yi?

How about Foye/Boykins over Wall/KH?

Caron over JHoward?

I dont know what will happen this year, but the roster is much improved over last season imo.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

^ @kalo_rama aren't you gonna thank me for doing your job for u?

Posted by: prescrunk | October 21, 2010 11:14 AM

You might want to pick someoneelse's job to do.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 21, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Why's that a white thing? Do you defend NY because he's black?

Posted by: ts35 | October 20, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I've seen NY play well in the NBA against top flight NBA competition. He's been able to get to the basket,create his own shot,hit the 3 ball consistently and finish at the rim. He's also shown that he can defend. Despite all of these qualities i've listed, he's not able to play at the same level consistently and also has mental lapses. I've never seen any evidence that AdMo can be a contributor on an NBA roster. NY is obviously one of my guys. It has nothing to do with his Blackness and everything to do with his basketball talent as it relates to him playing for my favorite team. i don't think anyone would want AdMo on their fave teams roster.........if the evaluation is based solely on basketball, and said player's ability to compete at an NBA level.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 21, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

ts35 - RE: Singleton

The fact that no NBA team was willing to outbid a Chinese team for him actually says NOTHING. According to that logic, the fact that John Starks, Ben Wallace, Brad Miller, Jose Calderon, etc. were bypassed by every team in the draft means that they had no upside. Or the fact that Juwan Howard got hundreds of millions meant that he was a superstar-caliber player.

If you grab 20+ boards in a game in the league, you can play. End of story. And, the Wiz are rebounding starved. They botched it.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq

The difference between the situation with Singleton and the cases you mentioned of all of those players slipping through the DRAFT, is that all of the teams had a chance to see and play against Singleton in the NBA. The draft is speculative. Playing against him as a pro, much less so.

Meanwhile, while every team in the league knows Singleton and what he did last year, they all chose to not offer him enough to stay. It sounds like the teams that were interested all offered around the vet minimum. So rather than saying nothing, it says that teams valued him, but only as a role player.

If you go back over the past few days, what you'll see is that I agree the Singleton can play and that, in a vacuum, he would have been an asset to this Wizards team. But on a team where you have a lot of young bigs who need to develop, having a vet like Singleton gives Flip too much of an excuse not to put them on the court.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"Radja was a 20 ppg scorer one year- and petro was best white 2 guard since Jerry West(for a yr then tragedy). Is this because they develop in a vacuum with the race baiting in USA where all white players are considered "coaches pets" til they prove otherwise.Posted by: olderbutwiser"

Guess we're not done with the stupid, after all.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 21, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"I dont know what will happen this year, but the roster is much improved over last season imo.Posted by: divi3"

Maybe that's because you're looking at the roster and not the team. We don't know how long it will take them to learn to play well together. I don't, you don't, Flip and Ernie don't. We're going to learn about the Wizards over the next couple months. But until we do, all this projecting is just fantasy.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 21, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"But on a team where you have a lot of young bigs who need to develop, having a vet like Singleton gives Flip too much of an excuse not to put them on the court.Posted by: ts35"

Right, and that would enrage some of the fans here, and we'd have to listen to their exhortations about respective PER stats and other hoo-hah, and personally I would rather avoid that and just see if they can win any games.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 21, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

We don't know how long it will take them to learn to play well together. I don't, you don't, Flip and Ernie don't. We're going to learn about the Wizards over the next couple months.

I wouldnt separate Flip from the players in that thought. EG is going to learn about the players he picked and the coach he hired over the next few months. Flip's job is to turn this group into a solid foundation that can be built upon, he's in the same boat as the players imo

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

LilHollywood,
This white boy agree's with you on all you said...about likeing him and wanting him to succeed, but not liking what I see. Not just the defensive liability but his failure to pull the triger with open looks. He looked so lacking in confidence to me. I think that his why his teammates stopped passing the ball to him when he was open in the third or fourth to last preseason game (forgot which opponent). I think his teammates were wrong mind you, but Mo bears a responsibility himself to encourage confidence in himself with his mates. In my book, 'The Great White Hope' gone wrong.

Posted by: Beltwayman2 | October 21, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

NY is obviously one of my guys. It has nothing to do with his Blackness and everything to do with his basketball talent as it relates to him playing for my favorite team. i don't think anyone would want AdMo on their fave teams roster.........if the evaluation is based solely on basketball, and said player's ability to compete at an NBA level.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Right. And japhy_ryder posited that maybe a player who was a top player in college and a top pick in the draft might have more 'upside' as an END OF THE BENCH PLAYER than Martin or Hudson, who haven't shown much in the pros either. And even though he provided a basketball rationale (that good spot up shooters are valuable) YOU throw out that it must be because AdMo is white. That's not really critiquing his opinion on basketball merits is it?

My point being that there was no rationale to bring the 'white thing' into it, any more than it would make sense for anyone say you root for NY because he's black.

Furthermore, while I'm sure it still exists on some level and in some quarters, the idea that deep down white basketball fans prefer white players is way overblown at this point and grows less with each passing generation. When Larry and Magic were going head to head, there was definitely an element to it, but as that era passed to the era of Michael and then to Shaq, Kobe, and now LeBron, it has fallen more and more by the wayside.

Is that to say that there still isn't racism in basketball? Obviously, clearly, decidedly not. It tends to rear its ugly head every time an athlete gets in trouble in one way or another and everyone becomes an amateur sociologist. But in terms of the players people root for, and who they want on their team, race has a lot less to do with it than it ever has. Kids in particular these days like players for a wide variety of reasons, and imo if you look closely at the reasons why, race is probably pretty far down the list.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"They know what I can do" A. Morrison

Kiss of death...

Posted by: kahlua87 | October 21, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Well for the record...I'm black and I hate everybody.


Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 21, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

My point being that there was no rationale to bring the 'white thing' into it, any more than it would make sense for anyone say you root for NY because he's black.

There's a key difference. The L is 85% black, white players are the underdogs. Meanwhile, the country is 70% white.

It's perfectly natural, understandable, and NOT racist for some white folks to want to see a white boy light it up. Or do you think Mike Miller was instantly the most popular player on the team just because he shoots well?

imo, people get caught up thinking that because race IS a factor in something that there is automatically some hint of racism involved too. Not the case.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Cartier played well for us at the end of last season and some in the early stages of this year. Lester had a good summer league and shows the ability to hit from deep and run the point adequately. AdMo has shown us nothing in a Wiz uni and very little of anything since he was drafted 3rd overall. My original comment about it being a "white thing maybe i don't understand it" is based more on fans and posters saying that they think he deserves a roster spot after doing very little of anything to earn it and having a similiar resume (College Stud) as the rest of the guys fighting for that spot. I dunno if mgmt would go so far as to keeping him or playing him just b/c he's white. I mean, i have seen some white guys in recent histoy clock big mins while producing very little (Oberto,Miller) but at the same time our cupboard was bare and both of those guys have been players in this league. Both were known contributors so i don't think you pull the race card on guys who earn their tick. But for AdMo to make this team, it just wouldn't smell right to me.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 21, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Well for the record...I'm black and I hate everybody.


Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 21, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

conversely, now that i know you're on the team I Luv Ya Brutha.

J/k i luv everybody

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 21, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

good sh!+ Divi3

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 21, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Riddle me this? Would you keep Morrison over Ndaiye? One has already proven that he doesn't belong in the NBA.

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 21, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

There's a key difference. The L is 85% black, white players are the underdogs. Meanwhile, the country is 70% white.

It's perfectly natural, understandable, and NOT racist for some white folks to want to see a white boy light it up. Or do you think Mike Miller was instantly the most popular player on the team just because he shoots well?

imo, people get caught up thinking that because race IS a factor in something that there is automatically some hint of racism involved too. Not the case.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

One of the best posts I've ever seen on this board!!!!

Posted by: bpybay | October 21, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

@divi,

Correction the population is 79% white....

But I don't believe skin color has a damn thing to do with any of this. Adam was a 3rd round pick and has 2 championship rings(though he didn't contribute). But nonetheless he was in a winning environment and I think that contributes more than anything. Plus he can shoot the ball. I would not be suprised if he makes the team.

About this 40 win thing. I just don't see anyway possible for this team to approach 40 wins. I'm thinking 30ish....

Posted by: kevenjones | October 21, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Riddle me this? Would you keep Morrison over Ndaiye? One has already proven that he doesn't belong in the NBA."

If it came down to those two, I would keep Ndaiye ONLY because you can't keep throwing those mid-first round picks away that EG always does.

In all honestly I would not have drafted him to begin with. I'm tired of EG's in ability to draft.

BUT I would keep Ndaiye for that reason only.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 21, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

rcmazz

Ndaiye was picked late in the 2nd round, not first. But he should be kept, if you had to choose between Morrison and Ndaiye, because of his shotblocking and rebounding potential.

Morrison will always be overmatched and has no place in the league. He has no advantage on the court offensive or defensively. He is slow, can't defend or rebound, can't beat his man off the dribble. Only thing he can do is shoot when left open.

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 21, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

But for AdMo to make this team, it just wouldn't smell right to me.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

And yet the more immediate, obvious reason why they would keep him is EG's recent penchant for acquiring former lottery picks trying to see if he can get talent on the cheap, have them blossom here, and look like a genius (though for most of us, it's far past too late for that).

There's no question that Morrison right now is living off of his college rep and draft status. There are lots of players in the league who have done or are doing the same thing, of all shapes, sizes and colors. People look at Morrison and think "He was a great college player, he could shoot, he was drafted high, there must be something there". Teams have done the same thing with Kwame. "He was taken #1, there must be something there." Telfair. Gerald Green. And any number of other players.

With Morrison it's at least possible to create the illusion/delusion of 'upside', just like teams have done with Kwame. How much obvious upside is there in Martin or Hudson? I'm not saying there isn't any, I'm just saying that there doesn't seem to be much expectation for them to ever be dramatically better than they are now.

And divi3, I am sure for some people, an element of what you say is true. Certainly being a good, white basketball player with a floppy hairdo was responsible for some of his appeal. It adds to their appeal if someone looks like you. And we've seen the novelty appeal of players like Jason "White Chocolate" Williams. But, again, I think it's way overblown. And I don't think it extends to the preference of a 14th or 15th player on the roster, which is what we're talking about. I didn't hear anyone advocating for Sean Marks as anything other than a big body and six fouls.

Plus, it's not like we're talking about Chinese people rooting for Yao (or even Yi) or Israelis rooting for Omri Casspi. There are at least a few other choices if someone wants to go that route.

Because for pretty much all hoops fans, being able to ball takes precedence over most other characteristics.

And personally I don't remember the part where Mike Miller became the most popular player. He certainly wasn't before the blowup and after the blowup he became a popular player among a list of very few candidates for the job -- pretty much just him, AB, McGee, and later on Livingston.

Btw, Oberto's a white guy? I thought he was Argentinian.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: prescrunk | October 21, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Wanting people of your own race to do well is not racist, it is pride.

Wanting people of your own race to succeed even though they don't deserve it, but gain what they get over someone of another race who is deserving, is racist.

I think overwhelmingly, sports fans do not display racist traits because they love their teams and players...

until your favorite player, who just so happens is the reigning MVP, leaves your favorite team to join another team, then you see racist twittering.

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 21, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

With Morrison it's at least possible to create the illusion/delusion of 'upside'

not if you caught any preseason. but you're right about EG stackin' other ppl's lotto picks. he is obsessed

Posted by: prescrunk | October 21, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

^ idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Argentine

Posted by: prescrunk

Been researching his family tree?

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

ts35

Kwame is a 7ft 275lb post-defending center with some skill. He may not have the total package(hands, desire) but he can get on the court, and get minutes. Morrison has no business on the court. He will be abused. Telfair has a skill level. The only person you mentioned that can't play is Gerald Green. But Gerald Green is raw athletic material. They all have more potential than Morrison.

Morrison has zero potential. That is why people bring up the race thing. Antawn Jamison and Gilbert can defend...if you compare them to Morrison. Jamison and Arenas contribute in other areas(rebounding or assists) and can score in other ways besides when they are left open.

Morrison is a gimmick like Manute. Manute could only block shots, Morrison can only shoot when open. The difference is, in the NBA you have others on your team who shoot on your team, so Manute didn't have to. Morrison will have to go to the defensive end and .... get embarassed, repeatedly. Everybody he defends will end up looking like Jordan when Boston put Bird on him.

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 21, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

ts35

Kwame is a 7ft 275lb post-defending center with some skill. He may not have the total package(hands, desire) but he can get on the court, and get minutes. Morrison has no business on the court. He will be abused. Telfair has a skill level. The only person you mentioned that can't play is Gerald Green. But Gerald Green is raw athletic material. They all have more potential than Morrison.

Morrison has zero potential. That is why people bring up the race thing. Antawn Jamison and Gilbert can defend...if you compare them to Morrison. Jamison and Arenas contribute in other areas(rebounding or assists) and can score in other ways besides when they are left open.

Morrison is a gimmick like Manute. Manute could only block shots, Morrison can only shoot when open. The difference is, in the NBA you have others on your team who shoot on your team, so Manute didn't have to. Morrison will have to go to the defensive end and .... get embarassed, repeatedly. Everybody he defends will end up looking like Jordan when Boston put Bird on him.

Posted by: G-Man11

People need to pay closer attention. I am not advocating for keeping Morrison. In fact, go back to the Insider from after the Milwaukee game and you will see that I said that he can't get open, can't defend, brings nothing to the table, is pretty much the reason they lost that game, and should be cut.

What I am saying is that much like teams delude themselves with other players, I can see how -- based on how he played in college and his #3 draft status -- someone could delude themselves into thinking Morrison has enough upside to warrant being kept on the end of the bench.

Throughout the history of the NBA, and every sports league, teams will see players fail, and then delude themselves into thinking that they can pull the talent out of a player, or given enough time or the right situation, the player will blossom. The Lakers did it with Kwame (and Morrison for that matter). Isaiah did it with Eddy Curry (among many others). There is a difference in the level of expectation between those guys and AdMo, but the delusion is the same.

Such that, there is a rationale (however misplaced or wrong) for wanting to keep AdMo on the roster that has zippy to do with being white.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

There's really no chance AdMo makes the team. He was brought in as a shooter, but only took five 3s in the preseason (hitting 2). Why did he take so few when that's all the coaches wanted to see from him? Because he can't get his shot off in the nba, won't shoot if there is someone within 4ft of him.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, it has nothing to do with race. I said that. But the thing is, Morrison has already proven he can't play and doesn't have potential. He doesn't even have "experience from playing on a championship caliber team" like Oberto did with the Spurs. Morrison did not play for the Lakers. He was the 15th man at best. He had his turn.

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 21, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

There's really no chance AdMo makes the team. He was brought in as a shooter, but only took five 3s in the preseason (hitting 2). Why did he take so few when that's all the coaches wanted to see from him? Because he can't get his shot off in the nba, won't shoot if there is someone within 4ft of him.
Posted by: divi3

It depends. Short of them bringing in someone from another team who gets cut, right now it's 5 guys for 3 slots. If they manage to get H a slot overseas somehow, then it's 4 guys for 3 slots, between Marks, Martin, Hudson, and AdMo. You have to think they like Martin better as a 3, no doubt, but if they decide they don't want Marks, or if they feel like with Wall, Gil, and KH, they have enough PGs, there's a path for him to be on the team. Certainly not by merit, but by circumstance, and maybe a little Flip or EG hubris.

We can always fall back on never counting out the propensity for the Wizards to make an inexplicable move.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't the wiz try to bring in a guy like Green to run the three anyways?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 21, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

It depends. Short of them bringing in someone from another team who gets cut, right now it's 5 guys for 3 slots. If they manage to get H a slot overseas somehow, then it's 4 guys for 3 slots, between Marks, Martin, Hudson, and AdMo. You have to think they like Martin better as a 3, no doubt, but if they decide they don't want Marks, or if they feel like with Wall, Gil, and KH, they have enough PGs, there's a path for him to be on the team.

I'm not being facetious when I say Lester Hudson would be better at the 3 than AdMo.

But yeah, I have been assuming H has a spot, if he plays overseas maybe AdMo can beat out Marks...the guy who hasnt played or practiced one second in the past month.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't the wiz try to bring in a guy like Green to run the three anyways?

Posted by: lilhollywood10

There are guys I would bring in ahead of Green. I don't recall him being a very disciplined player. Of course, I would have brought Green in ahead of Morrison.

Not to open another old wound, but I had a flash the other night of what it would have been like to have super-leaper Alonzo Gee catching -oops from Wall. The only danger would have been with Gee and McGee banging heads -- above the rim -- trying to get the ball.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

But yeah, I have been assuming H has a spot, if he plays overseas maybe AdMo can beat out Marks...the guy who hasnt played or practiced one second in the past month.

Posted by: divi3

Yeah, but you would still like to think that they would just cut AdMo outright on GP and fill that slot another way.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"MIAMI -- A freak injury to Mike Miller's right thumb is expected to keep one of the NBA's top 3-point shooters sidelined for several weeks, yet another blow to the injury-prone Miami Heat."

What a shock.

"Ndaiye was picked late in the 2nd round, not first."

I'm apologize, I was thinking Seraphin but I still feel the same way. And you're right about Morrison, but I still think he makes the team.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 21, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

apparently broussard and bucher are stoking the Gil for vince Carter trade talks again.

and AdMo has been released

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 21, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

AdMo was just cut, no one ever question me again.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

and AdMo has been released

Beat me to it!

apparently broussard and bucher are stoking the Gil for vince Carter trade talks again.

I think that's the real reason Gil hasnt played, they are doing EVERYTHING they can to get rid of him and dont want to risk injury.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

AdMo was just cut, no one ever question me again.

Posted by: divi3

LOL!

And just add salt to another wound....I know I shouldn't but....

Blair Wins Starting Spot with Spurs
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/popovich_sets_blair_as_starter_in_spurs_opener_105408343.html

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I know he's coming off of an injury, but I would much rather fill that 15th slot with someone like Ike Diogu who was cut today.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

geat call ts

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 21, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm sort of with Broussard on this one, there's no reason for the Magic to make a panic move right now. And though I don't buy totally into LarryInClinton's reasoning that Gil is the star or second star the Wizards need, I don't think they should trade Gil just in the name of rebuilding around Wall or cap space.

On the other hand, if they have the lingering feeling that his knee soreness may become chronic and debilitating...

And even with that, for me, the Magic would have to sweeten the deal. Maybe with Bass and a pick. Can't really see that happening either.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Man I don't understand people who get on here and say stuff that isn't factual. First of all all these guys are good basketball players. Second just about every comment on here is either wrong or unnecessary. It's fine that everyone has an opinion....but when you post it be somewhat truthful....

If you ask the Wizards announcer who played the most inspired last pre-season game and opened his eyes a little with his all around game....it was Morrison....Morrison is playing team ball he learned that concept from the Lakers. Yes Morrison is the best shooter on the team and may lack in other areas.....the guy can play and he can fill a role if Flip thinks he needs them...Lay off the guy the comments in this board is so far from the actual truth of the matter it's sickening....

I think Martin should make the team but I think Morrison brings a different game....the teammates missed him several times in that last game with open looks which turned into turnovers by Wall....every player makes mistakes....No one said anything when Morrison had 3 offensive rebounds in one preseason game that led the team in 16 minutes of action....come on people all these guys bring something to the table...

I'm looking at the pre-season stats if you evened out the minutes between Young, Martin and Morrison it's pretty shocking how good Morrison's so called lack of play stacks up....

Best shooting Percentage Martin
Worst- Young
Best 3-point shooting percentage Martin
Worst- Young
Offensive rebounds Morrison
Worst- Young
Overall rebounds Martin
Worst- Young
Assists- Morrison
Worst- Young
Most fouls committed Martin
Least- Morrison
Most Steals- Martin
Least- Young
Most Turnovers Martin
Least- Morrison
Free throw Percentage Morrison 100% Young 66% Martin 50%

This is the numbers boys in the pre-season actually between the three Morrison isn't last in one category.....So before you judge on what the reports say or what you hear maybe you should look at the numbers before making a far fetched assumption. Because reporters know nothing they like to stir up controversy to get attention and unfortunately there our suckers out there that buy into like you that believes it....

Morrison had a major knee injury....it takes time to recover he was the 13th man on a Lakers team (Not 15 like someone said earlier) The guy learned alot from watching now he is trying to prove the world that he can play.....he doesn't need to prove anything to himself.....he is trying to win and be a part of the team... And saying he can't create his own shot or shoot with a man in his face is absurd....Lol the guy was the best shooter on the court in college in whatever situation....Man I remember when Gonzaga(Morrison) and Eastern Washington(Stuckey) played against each other Stuckey had 25 and Morrison had 29....Didn't Stuckey have 34 against the Wiz....

Give Morrison a real chance.....

Posted by: twentyrevs | October 21, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey!

Posted by: upscalechef | October 21, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Just to let you know Morrison was cut....

Posted by: twentyrevs | October 21, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

@twentyrevs

Admirable job of trying to make a case for AdMo. But for me, the relevant fact is that in the games I saw, he was not able to stay with his man on D, and not good enough on O to make up for it.

Posted by: ts35 | October 21, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Stamp that ts35

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 21, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what color they are they're still going to lose fifty plus games, that being stated, i hope they prove me wrong they need a front court scoring machine and they need a bench that can provide some relief and really i don't see that happening,as most of you know i don't see Flip as the answer coaching wise, and EG has done nothing imho to improve the team but i'll be rooting when the season starts.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 21, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing people don't know that big men need the ball every now and then to keep their heads in the game. Constantly coming down and shooting jumpers before they get there frustrate them. Also how come the Wiz do not have a bonafide big man coach but they have all these gaurd coaches. Another poster talked about Flip coaching big men. I ask the question who. McHale coach KG but Flip will take credit. Like I said this team is pretty good if the coach learn to work with the players. His 800 page book like another Saunders who was here might need to be scrap. Here is some advise for Flip. Have your base then find out what your players do best and design the rest around their talents. Oh get a real post coach. Ernie you didn't draft the 2nd coming of Unseld or Wallace with that 2nd pick.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | October 21, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I guess not so incredibly this entire article was about ADAM MORRISON yes ADAM MORRISON. Gosh, how can we be expected to actually read it and think--W.P. and credibility?

Posted by: CTaylor42 | October 22, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

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