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Posted at 3:11 PM ET, 11/24/2010

Elton Brand suspended one game for foul on JaVale McGee

By Michael Lee

Updated at 5:09 p.m.: Elton Brand pushed JaVale McGee from the sky, sending him backward as McGee attempting to dunk. Brand was unable to prevent McGee from completing the slam, and when McGee landed on the floor, he rolled around in pain then looked over at the Philadelphia 76ers bench. He then started to mockingly wave goodbye to Brand, who received an automatic ejection for a flagrant two penalty foul.

"He fouled me hard, you have to go," McGee said after the Wizards won 116-114 in overtime on Tuesday.

McGee thought he was bidding farewell to Brand for the night, but a day later, the NBA felt that the dangerous shove warranted further punishment. Brand received a one-game suspension, which he will serve tonight when the 76ers face the Toronto Raptors at Air Canada Centre.

After the game, Brand said he was not attempting to harm McGee." It wasn't a frustration foul. It just was we didn't matchup correctly. McGee was going to get another dunk so I was trying to stop the dunk. He's really athletic quick to the rim. I definitely tried to foul him but I didn't want him to fall awkward like that."

The league released a statement that read, "The incident, in which Brand made contact by shoving McGee during a layup attempt and was ejected following the Flagrant Foul, Penalty Two call, occurred with 3:32 remaining in the 4th period of the 76er's 116-114 overtime loss to the Washington Wizards at the Verizon Center in Washington D.C."

By Michael Lee  | November 24, 2010; 3:11 PM ET
 
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Comments

I'm a bit surprised. McGee's fall looked bad, but I've seen plenty of harder hits delivered without drawing a flagrant 2, let alone a suspension.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 24, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and McGee waving "bye-bye" to Brand while he was on the floor was a nice touch.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 24, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Both arms extended, no play on the ball, and callous about McGee's landing. He deserves to miss a game.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 24, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

@Larry

What would Lamar say now, Kalo_rama?"
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 24, 2010 10:37 AM

He'd probably congratulate McGee for being able to tell the difference between constructive criticism and an insult, and bemoan the inability of dopes like you to do the same.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 24, 2010 11:39 AM |

Why do you continue to allow this dude to constantly belittle you with comments like these? These are not even basketball disagreements but rather personal slights.

Posted by: spades72 | November 24, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm a bit surprised. McGee's fall looked bad, but I've seen plenty of harder hits delivered without drawing a flagrant 2, let alone a suspension.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 24, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse
You suspend Brand to send the message that you can't foul like that. you have to play the ball. McGee's lucky he's long enough and athletic enough to finish the play with a dunk. A player with less physical gifts, or possibly even more physical gifts could really get hurt in that situation. Imagine Aaron Brooks taking a shot like that from Brand, or any other player for that matter. If players think that type of thing is an acceptable alternative to giving up a bucket the game will change drastically. it's kinda like how players started wrapping guys up going to the basket. people think it's better than fouling a guy hard, and it prevents the player from attempting a shot. On the other side of it,I've seen players get into confrontations about that type of play too. I think the suspension is more preventative than anything.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 24, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Both arms extended, no play on the ball, and callous about McGee's landing.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 24, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

.............and he still got Dunked on by the Javalevator

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 24, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I thought he'd get fined, and kudos to Javale for selling out and finishing rather than protecting himself.

Posted by: divi3 | November 24, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't the NBA fine such fouls like the NFL does? McGee could have been seriously injured. He should miss more than one game...

Posted by: 2StepsAway | November 24, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't the NBA fine such fouls like the NFL does? McGee could have been seriously injured. He should miss more than one game...

Remember the Bogut injury? Mcgee almost went parallel and down on Brand's foul, could have easily broken his elbow or whatever. But thankfully he appears to be made of cartilage (or rubber) and bounces rather than thuds.

Posted by: divi3 | November 24, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"You suspend Brand to send the message that you can't foul like that. you have to play the ball. McGee's lucky he's long enough and athletic enough to finish the play with a dunk. A player with less physical gifts, or possibly even more physical gifts could really get hurt in that situation. Imagine Aaron Brooks taking a shot like that from Brand, or any other player for that matter. If players think that type of thing is an acceptable alternative to giving up a bucket the game will change drastically. it's kinda like how players started wrapping guys up going to the basket. people think it's better than fouling a guy hard, and it prevents the player from attempting a shot. On the other side of it,I've seen players get into confrontations about that type of play too. I think the suspension is more preventative than anything."

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 24, 2010 3:47 PM

I never said he didn't deserve to be suspended, nor was I looking for an explanation why he was. I was simply commenting on the obvious inconsistency in the application of punishment. As I stated, I've seen guys deliver harder hits than that (or hits where the recipients took falls just as hard or harder), with no suspensions given out.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 24, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

One of the Sixers players was going to thump on JWow after he pushed Evan Turner in the back while ET was attempting a jump shot. Who's going to be the rough neck on the team, and don't say Booker b/c he doesn't get enough PT.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 24, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"I'm a bit surprised. McGee's fall looked bad, but I've seen plenty of harder hits delivered without drawing a flagrant 2, let alone a suspension.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 24, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse "

That's b/c Brand made no attempt at the ball and fouled JaTravel when he was in a vulnerable position (e.g. airborne).

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 24, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Back in the day(Lew Alcindor,Wes Unseld,Nate Thurmond,Bob Lanier,Wilt Chamberlin,Luke Jackson,Tom Boerwinkle, and Wiilis Reed). all used to give a hard foul if you dared drive the lane or attempted to "posterize" them, that was the rule of the day and while i think Elton deserved to be ejected a one game suspension was a little harsh.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 24, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but although I do think the fine and suspension were merited (I agree 100% with lilhollywood's 3:47 post), I really don't believe Brand had any malicious intent here. It was a close game, he was out of position, and I think he was just trying to throw McGee off-balance to prevent the dunk. A dumb play to be sure, but not intentionally malicious. Let's just call it the Abe Pollin factor. ;-)

Posted by: bpybay | November 24, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

As Mcgee starts to dominate PFs/Cs (and make no mistake, he will) it's going to be tempting for opponents to do just what Brand did last night. Push him or get under him, make him think twice.

But today's nba is not the same as the old days, league set the precedent right now opponents are just going have to live with Javale coming down from on high and making them look 5'10"

Posted by: divi3 | November 24, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I've had my doubts about McGee, but the way he is playing now... it looks like we have the building blocks and potential cornerstones of our team at PG and C with Wall and McGee.

It is funny his comments about not getting yelled at as his reason for his improved play, but I hope that's a joke. He should be playing that well because he can, and few in the history of the game have had the ability to play the way he can. He should take his game seriously, have pride in himself and his game. He should be doing everything he can to get every rebound and dominate the game.

I hope he is seeing all the benefits of his recent efforts and is encouraged and realizing this is what it's all about! It's never been a question of ability with McGee. He may be actually starting to "get it"!

Rebounding keeps him in the court, it increases his scoring chances and reduces his opponents chances. It directly affects the game on every level. He is becoming a force on the boards and on D. He has the ability to be a future Defensive POY IMO. Lead the league in blocks and boards and it's pretty much in the bag.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 24, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

As of now I am liking the unit of Wall, Arenas, Young, Blatche and McGee to start. Get the offense clicking, move the ball, set an uptempo pace.. bring in Hinrich, Booker, Thornton, Yi and Armstrong throughout the game to stabilize when needed. But I like that front 5 to get the scorers going and kickstart the game.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 24, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"As Mcgee starts to dominate PFs/Cs (and make no mistake, he will) it's going to be tempting for opponents to do just what Brand did last night. Push him or get under him, make him think twice.

But today's nba is not the same as the old days, league set the precedent right now opponents are just going have to live with Javale coming down from on high and making them look 5'10"

Posted by: divi3 | November 24, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse "

Let's not get overhyped. JaTravel had a good game last night, but he didn't dominate anyone as Philly's undersized PF's and C's got theirs too.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301123027

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 24, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The court is more open and when Wall come in he can hit the opposing team with his speed.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | November 24, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

That's just crazy. Wall is the franchise player and the man who wills his team to victory. Treat him the utmost respect and make sure he is happy here.

He is a true team player and if this team is going go deep in the playoffs in the next 5 years, it is going to be with Wall leading it.

Posted by: Blurred | November 24, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Nice fine, but the league didn't go far enough, JaVal should have been fined $5,000--taunting.

Posted by: comhendbear | November 24, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm a bit surprised. McGee's fall looked bad, but I've seen plenty of harder hits delivered without drawing a flagrant 2, let alone a suspension.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 24, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

You got to be kidding. McGee was helpless in the air and landed without the ability to brace himself. That truly is part of the game that the league has to clean up.

Posted by: NewManagement | November 24, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I never said he didn't deserve to be suspended, nor was I looking for an explanation why he was. I was simply commenting on the obvious inconsistency in the application of punishment. As I stated, I've seen guys deliver harder hits than that (or hits where the recipients took falls just as hard or harder), with no suspensions given out.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 24, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

So what? I've seen Kermit Washington get blackballed for punching Rudy T, but no such punishment when Mike literally cleared the scorers table with reggie miller. Anyone who watches the NBA knows that the officiating can be very inconsistent from game to game and ref to ref. Your disappointment with the inconsistency is understandable. i think Gil Arenas has a couple gripes too. Your comment about having seen whatever you saw, and the ensuing response reads as a clear challenge to the decision, eventhough you say it isn't one. BTW the call on the court was a flagrant 2, it was a really hard foul.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 24, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Let's not get overhyped. JaTravel had a good game last night, but he didn't dominate anyone as Philly's undersized PF's and C's got theirs too.Posted by: DC_MAN88"

That's a fair observation. Brand outplayed the Wiz big men for a big chunk of the game. I imagine the Philly fanz are excoriating the team for blowing their lead. They easily might have won.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 24, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"Rebounding keeps him in the court, it increases his scoring chances and reduces his opponents chances. It directly affects the game on every level. He is becoming a force on the boards and on D. He has the ability to be a future Defensive POY IMO. Lead the league in blocks and boards and it's pretty much in the bag.Posted by: Darnell1"

I'll ask you the same question then -- why is he so effective on the offensive boards, vs the defensive?

Posted by: Samson151 | November 24, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"As of now I am liking the unit of Wall, Arenas, Young, Blatche and McGee to start. Get the offense clicking, move the ball, set an uptempo pace.. bring in Hinrich, Booker, Thornton, Yi and Armstrong throughout the game to stabilize when needed. But I like that front 5 to get the scorers going and kickstart the game.Posted by: Darnell1"

See, I think that's a mistake. You put all your scorers on the court at one time, what do you have? A team that virtually has to try to outscore the opponent, because it can't contain good offense. You count on Nick to take the other guy's shooting SF, but as we've seen, Nick's concentration sometimes flags when his shot isn't falling. Arenas is often mismatched against bigger SGs, and making Wall the prime backcourt defender effectively takes energy away from his all-court game. You certainly can't count on McGee and Blatche to anchor your interior defense without help from the SF position. This is all stuff that's been pointed out on this blog before.

IMO the best lineup for this club features one perimeter player who focuses primarily on defense and one frontline player who eschews scoring in favor of defense and boardwork. Then you bring two scorers and a defensive big man off the bench.

The defense should not rely too much on Wall. He's got way too many other things to focus on.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 24, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

If you watched the game on TV, you might have heard Phil Chenier say that Brand is actually a very good guy. That was a nasty, dangerous foul and the suspension is deserved, but I believe Brand when he said he didn't mean to hurt Javale.

Posted by: cliffdweller | November 24, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Buying into concept of zone defense

The zone, Carlisle said, is beneficial for the Mavs because it plays to a strength, tremendous length on the back line. The key for Carlisle's push to zone this season is the 7-foot-1 Tyson Chandler. The athletic and agile center provides a wide wing span that anchors the zone when teammed with fellow 7-footer Dirk Nowitzki and either Shawn Marion or Caron Butler. And Chandler is quick enough to hop in and out of the lane to avoid a littany of defensive 3-second calls.

I usually just check on the Mavs to confirm Brendan Haywood's suckiness, but Carlisle's "We’re trying to be the best zone team in basketball" is much more compelling.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 24, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"That's a fair observation. Brand outplayed the Wiz big men for a big chunk of the game. I imagine the Philly fanz are excoriating the team for blowing their lead. They easily might have won.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 24, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse "

I think Les BouleS would have beaten Philly easily had they had the services of Yi.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 24, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

You count on Nick to take the other guy's shooting SF, but as we've seen, Nick's concentration sometimes flags when his shot isn't falling. Arenas is often mismatched against bigger SGs, and making Wall the prime backcourt defender effectively takes energy away from his all-court game....IMO the best lineup for this club features one perimeter player who focuses primarily on defense..

So you think Alonzo Gee should be our starting SG?

Posted by: divi3 | November 24, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"There's a rebounding principle called "rebounding your area". I think it has clicked for JaVale that given his beight, agility, leaping ability and wingspan, pretty much everywhere near the hoop is within his 'area'.Posted by: ts35"

Why do you think he's so much better at offensive than defensive rebounding?

Posted by: Samson151

It's a good question. My guess on it would be because he has fewer responsibilities on offense? On D, he obviously has to defend his man, protect the rim, be in certain spots, etc. He misses out on a few rebound chances per game by being able to challenge so many shots. On O, while he sets picks etc, he's a little freer to roam.

Mind you it's not that he's bad a defensive rebounding, he's just ridiculously good right now at offensive boards.

Posted by: ts35 | November 24, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

ts35

Gil does not shoot more jumpers now. What are you watching. What you need to realize is Gil is not taking as many shots now. He is passing more. In fact, Gil appears slightly invisible out there sometimes.

Now, what probably is happening is he is driving to the basket less. His volume of jumpers seem comparable to years past.

Posted by: G-Man11

Ok, seriously, what post were you reading? Since we were talking about why Gil doesn't get as many foul calls now as he did in '06, when I say "Gil shoots more jumpers" I'm pretty much saying when he does shoot, he's more likely to shoot a jumper right now than drive the lane, and therefore less likely to be fouled. I'm not making a quantitative assessment of how many jumpers he shoots per game.

Posted by: ts35 | November 24, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 24, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"So you think Alonzo Gee should be our starting SG?Posted by: divi3"

I think Kobe Bryant should be our starting SG. But failing that, how about somebody who could play a little defense?

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I think Kobe Bryant should be our starting SG. But failing that, how about somebody who could play a little defense?

Posted by: Samson151

All of our available options play a little defense....

Posted by: ts35 | November 25, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

The ejection by itself was somewhat questionable, but probably the right call. A one game suspension though is absolutely ridiculous.

I'm actually a little surprised that McGee's little hand-wave from the floor didn't draw a fine. It was funny as hell, but it was also taunting, which by definition is a form of bad sportsmanship.

Posted by: JPRS | November 25, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually a little surprised that McGee's little hand-wave from the floor didn't draw a fine. It was funny as hell, but it was also taunting, which by definition is a form of bad sportsmanship.

Posted by: JPRS | November 25, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I guess they could ex post facto review the film of him waving, but my guess is the refs immediately were focused on Brand, the scorers table and the Sixers bench and probably didn't see Mcgee.

But also, this could be a sign of a player/team starting to get respect.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Blurred | November 25, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

This should be an interesting stretch. The Hawks are stumbling -- just lost at NJ -- and the Magic are coming off a big win against the Heat, after a road loss at SA. Miami is still struggling to find somebody to play in the middle and will now try Erick Dampier. Nobody knows what sort of shape he's in. I thought we might get to see Goliath, otherwise known as Dexter Pittman, but today the Heat decided he would be a better fit with the Sioux Falls Skyforce for the next couple weeks.

I know everybody wants to see Javale hold his own against Dwight Howard, but for the sake of a victory, might be a better idea to give him some help.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

"My guess on it would be because [McGee] has fewer responsibilities on offense? On D, he obviously has to defend his man, protect the rim, be in certain spots, etc. He misses out on a few rebound chances per game by being able to challenge so many shots. On O, while he sets picks etc, he's a little freer to roam."

Yes, the sample's too small. Almost certainly will change as the season wears on. But I thought it worth pointing out that some other young big men with few offensive responsibilities still get a disproportionate percent of their boards on the defensive end. A few examples:

Tyson Chandler, season to date: 3-1
Andrew Bynum, last season: 2-1
Dwight Howard, season to date: 3-1

Might be Javale is still having trouble holding position on defense. Worth watching.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

The HAWKS are a solid team that rebounds pretty decently. Have HORFORD and PECHULIA met their match this time in McGEE and ARMSTRONG? We'll see tonight. The WIZ will have to play tight "d" against MIKE BIBBY, JAMAL CRAWFORD, JOE JOHNSON and JOSH SMITH to win.

To be sure, SMITH will play that way when we come at him on offense. The others not so much. They tend to rely more on their interior defense on that end of the floor.

This will be a good test as to whether the WIZ have truely improved.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 25, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Arenas misses crucial free throws against Cleveland and Wall makes them. Already the rookie is leading by showing his mental toughness, something Arenas has always seemed to lack.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | November 24, 2010 4:47 AM | Report abuse

?????? You can't possibly be serious with this statement, are you?????

Posted by: bpybay | November 24, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Uhhh... see last year's stories written about Gilbert Arenas in regards to his mental toughness and how funny guns are in the workplace. Also, see this year's stories from the pre-season about his faking an injury. Also, see the stories from a few years back about his carrying unregistered guns in his car. Also, see the stories from the last few years, including this year, about how the various coaches have not named him a captain of the team. Also... see my earlier statement that you found hard to believe.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | November 25, 2010 5:19 AM | Report abuse

My response to this is in my next post below (without reference to the previous posts, since this one is already long).

Posted by: bpybay | November 25, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Arenas misses crucial free throws against Cleveland and Wall makes them. Already the rookie is leading by showing his mental toughness, something Arenas has always seemed to lack.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | November 24, 2010 4:47 AM | Report abuse

?????? You can't possibly be serious with this statement, are you?????

Posted by: bpybay | November 24, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Uhhh... see last year's stories written about Gilbert Arenas in regards to his mental toughness and how funny guns are in the workplace. Also, see this year's stories from the pre-season about his faking an injury. Also, see the stories from a few years back about his carrying unregistered guns in his car. Also, see the stories from the last few years, including this year, about how the various coaches have not named him a captain of the team. Also... see my earlier statement that you found hard to believe.

Posted by: Janitor_with_a_Jumpshot | November 25, 2010 5:19 AM | Report abuse

My response to this is in my next post below (without reference to the previous posts, since this one is already long).

Posted by: bpybay | November 25, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Janitor:

I cannot agree in the least with your post. First, Arenas has made a reputation in this league and on this team of wanting the ball in his hands at the critical junctures of a game. He has hit more than his share of big shots (including game winners from distant zip/area codes) with little/no time on the clock. Yes, Gil missed those two free throws against Cleveland (one game). What about the game winner that essentially won the PLAYOFF series against Chicago a year later. Not to devalue what Wall did with those free throws, but that, also, is just one game.

With your reference to "stories written about Gil," what have YOU seen? Anyone can write a story. A story is nothing more than the writer's version of whatever it is he is writing about. It's not gospel. If you have your own mind and are not depending on anyone else's thoughts, you can see for yourself what Gil has accomplished here. To say he is not mentally tough is, IMO, a severe stretch. The gun situation was simply a mistake (AND, once again, they were UNloaded), and has nothing at all to do with how mentally tough he is.

I will agree that his life's decisions have not been the greatest, and his self-esteem may leave something to be desired, but none of that in any way devalues his accomplishments in critical situations ON THE COURT, where he has thrived.

You have a right to believe what you believe, and my mouth certainly is no prayer book, but I completely disagree with your assessment of Gil as a player with no mental toughness. That's insane.

Posted by: bpybay | November 25, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

@Larry

What would Lamar say now, Kalo_rama?"
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 24, 2010 10:37 AM

He'd probably congratulate McGee for being able to tell the difference between constructive criticism and an insult, and bemoan the inability of dopes like you to do the same.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 24, 2010 11:39 AM |

Why do you continue to allow this dude to constantly belittle you with comments like these? These are not even basketball disagreements but rather personal slights.

Posted by: spades72 | November 24, 2010 3:41 PM

Spades72, when I first started posting here about 2yrs back, Kalo was one of the posters I would give credit too and agree with many of his posts. However, I realized he never reciprocates in kind. If he didn't say it first, you can forgetabouthim giving any props to anyoneelse's post. He really doesn't even give Samson151 much credit, though you can tell they are two peas in a pod.

That one statement that I led off with hits deep into his pov as well as many other pointed views that I have directed just for him. They hit hard and he knows it. Thats why he most times belittles and results to name calling, and skews the subject, or pretends total ignorance to said point.

He can't address the real point being made.

If you've read most of my posts, at times I could be dead wrong, but I don't resort to name calling and cheap shots and belittlement which is one common practice of his.

I'd rather press/discuss/examine/evaluate the point at hand. There are many good posters here whom will disagree and agree and give their reasons why.

Kalo_rama only agrees with himself 99% of the time. He is always right. He never gives anyoneelse credit, except by his own volition. So I pointedly throw darts at him just to see how he responds.

If he chooses to respond as you have noted, I move on, however, if he addresses the point, then that can be considered.

Note that on the previous thread that I responded to what he thought Odom would say and not to the insult.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 25, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"So I pointedly throw darts at him just to see how he responds. posted by LarryInClintonMd"

LOL maybe that isn't such a good idea on your part...

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I was interested to see DaJuan Blair wasn't on the court much in that big SA victory last night over Minnesota. He played 6 minutes. Overall his minutes are up slightly this season, to 20.5 from 18, and most of his other numbers have stayed steady except FG%, down to a very un-Blairish 39%. However his FT shooting, a weakness last season, has been much better.

Kevin Love continued his binge with 32 points and 22 boards in 46 minutes. Even Darko got 22 and 8 in just 33 minutes.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Blatche is the weak link on defense and offense.

Flip badly wants him to give the team some interior scoring and he won't do it. Not that he can't. He just won't. He'd prefer to shoot 18 footers or razzle-dazzle his way to the basket with behind the back dribbles followed by a fade-away jumper off one foot.

Defensively he's just not interested. Too many times this year he just watches guards go right past him to the rack for layups, stands flat-footed while opposing forwards get offensive rebounds and would rather not make the effort to rotate.

My two cents on all the Blatche talk. Now off to the in-laws for my tryptophan-induced coma. Happy Thanksgiving, All!

Posted by: gimmedat | November 25, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Note to LarryinClintonMD: I posted about the exact same thing in the Morning Brew yesterday. There is no need to insult one another when we have differing opinions about the Wizards or anything going on in the NBA. This is a blog; it's supposed to provide a forum for our view's about our home team.We don't have to agree but we can at least be civil toward each other. Life's tough enough these days. This blog is supposed to be a forum for fun exchanges. Yeah, we can get on each other for goofy statements or crazy opinions (I'm guilty of those all the time; see Eddie Jordan) but to consistently insult someone because they don't agree with you is a sad commentary. I think Kalo_rama is guilty of poor sportsmanship. While he makes very good points he always find's it necessary to personally belittle the poster especially if they don't agree with him. I like posting on this blog. While I may not agree with everyone all the time I try to respect each and everyone and I feel most of us do. So hopefully Kalo_rama you will take this as constructive criticism and lighten up a little. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 25, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Might be Javale is still having trouble holding position on defense. Worth watching.

The discrepancy isnt necessarily caused by a negative. JM's defensive rebound rate is 20%, Chandler's 25%...but Javale is blocking 2x as many shots. He's blocking 6x more shots than Love, 5x more than KG. There's a good chance his "lack" of defensive boards is based on his contesting so many shots. I doubt he is getting pushed around one end of the floor but not the other.

Posted by: divi3 | November 25, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"The discrepancy isnt necessarily caused by a negative. JM's defensive rebound rate is 20%, Chandler's 25%." posted by divi3

Where'd you get that number? I checked NBA.com, and looks like Chandler is getting 75.3% of his boards on the defensive end. Javale is getting 53.5% on defense season-to-date. In the past 3 games, when he has 18, 16, and 12 boards (this is what is drawing praise), only 48% have come on defense.

"there's a good chance his "lack" of defensive boards is based on his contesting so many shots. I doubt he is getting pushed around one end of the floor but not the other.Posted by: divi3"

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

""there's a good chance his "lack" of defensive boards is based on his contesting so many shots. I doubt he is getting pushed around one end of the floor but not the other.Posted by: divi3"

'Scuse me, I mean to address that too. That's why I picked 3 young centers for comparison, all defenders who contest a lot of shots -- Chandler, Bynum, and of course Dwight Howard.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Looking forward to a great game tonight. We have been either straight garbage or terribly boring seemingly in every single National TV game weve gotten the last few years. Its time for a change. Hopefully Wall's leg is ok and we can finally see the Wall-Gil backcourt make a start together. Maybe even Yi can make a return off the bench. Im torn on the NY thing. I think Id still rather have Al start this game if he can go because I think we will have enough scoring in the starting group without NY and then we can come off the bench with him, Kirk, and maybe Yi. That would be great.

Atlanta is a tricky team. Weve always matched up pretty well with them but this game will be different. They have a big SG in JJ and a big SF in Williams. Gil will be matched up against JJ and if we go small then Kirk will matchup against Williams. Williams has sucked this year but it would be dumb to start Kirk. It has to be either Al, NY, Gee, or Booker. Either way I expect to see alot of Zone this game. The Gil-JJ matchup will be special. Both have there advantages. I wouldve taken Gil in his prime easily because he would blow past a 6'8 guy like it was nothing & finish at the rim. He still can dribble past you when he wants even though he lost a step but the problem is he cant finish. Maybe he can do some drive & dish or kicks.

This is our chance to make a statement. We have a National TV game, our 1st game with the Gil-Wall backcourt, we have 3 games around with the top 3 in our division and 3 of the top teams in the East, and we can shut Barkley up for clowning us. I think we will show up. I think we will run, look very exciting, and come away with the victory

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 25, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Where'd you get that number? I checked NBA.com, and looks like Chandler is getting 75.3% of his boards on the defensive end. Javale is getting 53.5% on defense season-to-date. In the past 3 games, when he has 18, 16, and 12 boards (this is what is drawing praise), only 48% have come on defense.

Different stat, defensive reb rate is the estimated% of available defensive boards the player gets while on the floor. Love, KG, Howard are around the 30%, Chandler at 25%, Bynum and JM at 20%.

DHoward is the only one amongst them who gets high marks across the board, but he's Superman

Posted by: divi3 | November 25, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"Different stat, defensive reb rate is the estimated% of available defensive boards the player gets while on the floor. Love, KG, Howard are around the 30%, Chandler at 25%, Bynum and JM at 20%."

OK, but you're measuring something different there. Doesn't appear to answer my question. Which isn't how effective Javale is at getting available defensive rebounds -- it's why he's so much more effective on the offensive end.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Note to LarryinClintonMD: I posted about the exact same thing in the Morning Brew yesterday. There is no need to insult one another when we have differing opinions about the Wizards or anything going on in the NBA. This is a blog; it's supposed to provide a forum for our view's about our home team.We don't have to agree but we can at least be civil toward each other. Life's tough enough these days. This blog is supposed to be a forum for fun exchanges. Yeah, we can get on each other for goofy statements or crazy opinions (I'm guilty of those all the time; see Eddie Jordan) but to consistently insult someone because they don't agree with you is a sad commentary. I think Kalo_rama is guilty of poor sportsmanship. While he makes very good points he always find's it necessary to personally belittle the poster especially if they don't agree with him. I like posting on this blog. While I may not agree with everyone all the time I try to respect each and everyone and I feel most of us do. So hopefully Kalo_rama you will take this as constructive criticism and lighten up a little. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 25, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

There is a saying that goes, "if two of are the same, one of us is unnecessary." If we were all of the same opinion, what fun would it be to blog at all. It is our differences that make life so interesting. I certainly don't need to have a conversation with me. I already know what I think.

We learn by considering ideas/opinions that differ from our own. Unless, of course, we know it all. When we know it all, there is no help for us. Those who stoop to personal attacks usually do so because of extremely low self-esteem. By belittling others, it helps them to feel better about themselves. When we can respect others, we respect ourselves, and others respect us, as well.

Larry, I admire your approach. It shows you are a big man. Great post, dargreg.

Posted by: bpybay | November 25, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"Kalo_rama only agrees with himself 99% of the time. He is always right. He never gives anyoneelse credit, except by his own volition. So I pointedly throw darts at him just to see how he responds.posted by LarryInClintonMD"

"Larry, I admire your approach. It shows you are a big man. Great post, dargreg.
Posted by: bpybay"

Wait a minute -- before you all agree on what classy guys you are, didn't Larry just admit that he 'pointedly throw[s] darts' just to get a reaction?

Isn't that sort of sophomoric?

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm curious with those stats. What does Odom get???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 25, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Veeery interesting response, "Samson." And I'll just leave it at that.

Posted by: bpybay | November 25, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Veeery interesting response, "Samson." And I'll just leave it at that.

Posted by: bpybay | November 25, 2010 1:21 PM

LOL! I think it's called a "tell".

Posted by: bobabuie | November 25, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Veeery interesting response, "Samson." And I'll just leave it at that.Posted by: bpybay | November 25, 2010 1:21 PM
"LOL! I think it's called a "tell".
Posted by: bobabuie"

OK, you lost me. Or maybe that was the plan.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Lamar Odom gets 72% of his boards on the defensive side.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Joakim Noah gets 65.7% of his boards on defense. He's a shotblocker. Andrew Bogut gets 65.1% on defense. He's also among the NBA leaders in blocks. Roy Hibbert is around 65%, Emeka Okafor 71%, Marcus Camby 66.7%

Closest among the shotblocking centers is probably Sam Dalembert, who gets a bit under 59% of his boards on defense.

It's curious.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

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