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Posted at 11:55 AM ET, 11/30/2010

Hilton Armstrong, Wizards discuss flagrant foul, loss to Miami

By Michael Lee

By Michael Lee  | November 30, 2010; 11:55 AM ET
 
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K-Sera,Sera...

Hilton's trade restriction expires on Dec. 15th for any playoff team looking for a 5th big. I think Seraphin has shown enough to get his minutes.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 30, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Seraphin has as many fouls as he does points or rebounds, we'll probably need HA on the roster even if Seraphin is eased into his minutes

Posted by: divi3 | November 30, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

we'll probably need HA on the roster even if Seraphin is eased into his minutes

They'll probably need somebody even with Yi back, but I don't think the Wizards can just bench Hilton. Not if they want to continue signing guys to one year deals.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 30, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Seraphin also has 6 less offensive rebounds that Hilton in 150 fewer minutes.

Not saying Hilton needs to go...but I like how Seraphin is eased into minutes.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 30, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"They'll probably need somebody even with Yi back, but I don't think the Wizards can just bench Hilton. Not if they want to continue signing guys to one year deals."

Posted by: djnnnou | November 30, 2010 12:47 PM

Don't think that matters, as guys signing 1-year deals are usually the beggars in the "beggars can't be choosers" scenario.

That said, I certainly don't see any reason to get rid of Armstrong, but I also think getting Seraphin some regular burn is a good idea. Doesn't have to be much, but a regular 10 mpg could pay off over the course of the season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken, there was also a short spurt in the Heat game where Seraphin was on the floor with McGee, I think that's a combo they should give a look to a bit more.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

If Flip follows his usual MO, we probably won't see anything of Seraphin once Yi is back. Booker may disappear as well, it's not Flip's thing to play rookies (obviously aside from Wall).

Posted by: divi3 | November 30, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse


There is no reason to ever play Hilton Armstrong unless McGee, Blatche, Booker, Seraphin and Yi are all unavailable. To give Armstrong one minute over any one of the aforementioned is a travesty since this team is going nowhere this year and Armstrong is not a part of the team's future.

The biggest mistake Leonsis made was not firing Grunfeld and Flip when he took over because Grunfeld and Saunders obviously have a vested interest in trying to win NOW with vets who won't be here in a couple years over developing/playing the young guys. It would be wise to let the young players play a lot and be that much farther ahead in terms of getting experience. Wizards have to find out if they are part of the future or not.

Posted by: bobabuie | November 30, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken, there was also a short spurt in the Heat game where Seraphin was on the floor with McGee, I think that's a combo they should give a look to a bit more.
Posted by: kalo_rama

I noticed this as well. The two played a very short time together in the blowout loss to Atlanta and looked cohesive.

Posted by: bozomoeman | November 30, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Hilton Armstrong has been a pleasant surprise. He does many of the little things. He is not as athletic as McGee (who is), but he does contribute and he is still learning as well as everyone else in his limited minutes. Seraphin does look good, even though he rarely played in pre-season or much this season. He is 6'9" and that bodes better for PF than taking over the backup center position. Or some sort of combination F-C. Yi will have to be tougher in order to get his minutes. Having his dunks blocked or missing short shots wont cut it for him. Blatche has played hard the last two games and Booker has some talent for post position play.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | November 30, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"Seraphin was on the floor with McGee, I think that's a combo they should give a look to a bit more."

And neither has much offensive game to speak of.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 30, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Seraphin/Mcgee line-up should be the line up we hope to see a lot of in the near future. Finally having some muscle and Javale's shotblocking ability in the paint.

I'm kind of encouraged with Seraphin. He's in horrible NBA condition, coming off knee surgery I think and battling the language barrier, but as someone metioned earlier in other words he will still hold his own in the paint. He seems to have good basketball sense also. His spacing, boxing out and not hacking. In the Orlando game Javale and Arstrong had to grab DHoward almost every time to keep him from catching and dunking. They were forced to play Seraphin and he presented a bit of wall for DHoward.

Posted by: gmac78 | November 30, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

LeBron and his speedo are not playing well with others in Miami. The team is backing Spoelstra and letting the little princess know that his antics will not work in Miami.
Cleveland is better off now that he's gone.
Cousins is doing the same junk in Sacramento. Westphal is holding his feet to the fire and taking heat for the losses while Cousins plays out his act. Late and missed practices and passive disobedience. I say trade a #1 and a player (Armstrong) and some other consideration (Saunders) you can trade a coach, (They want to get rid of Westphal, they just dont want to inflate Cousins ego)and pair Cousins up with Wall. We then go and get Van Gundy. Cousins, McGee, Seraphin, Booker, Gee, and Martin, now you have some beef and effort. The beauty of this is McGee will not be in the way of a true big center. He can play a little off the rim.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | November 30, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"The biggest mistake Leonsis made was not firing Grunfeld and Flip when he took over because Grunfeld and Saunders obviously have a vested interest in trying to win NOW with vets who won't be here in a couple years over developing/playing the young guys. It would be wise to let the young players play a lot and be that much farther ahead in terms of getting experience. Wizards have to find out if they are part of the future or not."

Posted by: bobabuie | November 30, 2010 1:42 PM |

Every coach has a "vested interest in winning now" because winning now is how coaches keep their jobs. Bringing in a new coach wouldn't change that. If Grunfeld/Leonsis have an agenda that centers on playing/developing young guys with no regard for wins and losses, then the way to really facilitate that is to get rid of all the vets, thus forcing the coach's hand (which other GMs/owners of rebuilding teams have done). The fact that the first moves following Leonsis taking over were to re-sign Howard and acquire Hinrich suggests that they aren't fully willing to sacrifice now for later.

That said . . . aside from those two (and Arenas), most of the "vets" on the Wiz are "young guys" who still need some development themselve, so the old/young divide isn't nearly as severe as you're making it out to be.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

ESPN 980 - The John Thompson Show has posted on the site an article about King James. Needless to say, it has caught Thompson by surprise as it depicts King James as a very bad person. Surprising???

LarryInClintonMD

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 30, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

First off, let me say that I hate LeBron.

******
Now for the real stuff. I liked the idea of Seraphin and McGee on the floor together for a bit, but they looked pretty disjointed playing D together last night. Let some guys get through wide open...probably just not used to it and each of them thinking "that's his job."

Time together should fix that.

As for Saga's comment about neither having any offense to speak of, I can't say whether Seraphin has O. But I htink it is a bit unfair to say to say javale doesn't have any offense. he may not be lighting up 20 per, but isn't that Gilbert, Andray and Nick's job?

Speaking of Nick, a week ago or so I was raggin him and mentioned that DeShawn has a great per 36.

Last night, DeShawn had pretty close to the same box score in 2/3 the number of minutes....and shot 60% to nick's 30%. And 2-2 from 3pts as opposed to nick's 0-4

Not saying I'd rather have DeShawn than Nick but...

Posted by: Blurred | November 30, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

@Blurred, re: Nick vs Deshawn

It's not really fair to compare their stats. DeShawn is on a team loaded with good offensive players. He gets a lot of clean looks via Dirk, Kidd and even CB. We've seen what DeShawn plays like when he has to be more of an initiator of his own offense, and it wasn't pretty. I think if you ask league-wide, most would say this season's version of Nick Young is a better offensive player. But there's always a place in the NBA for DeShawn-types who can play D and knock down shots when presented.

Posted by: ts35 | November 30, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Last night, DeShawn had pretty close to the same box score in 2/3 the number of minutes....and shot 60% to nick's 30%. And 2-2 from 3pts as opposed to nick's 0-4

Not saying I'd rather have DeShawn than Nick but...

That's fairly misleading, given that deshawn went 3-5 of a night Dirk, Caron, and Marion were all scoring well and shooting over 50%. Contrast that to NYs situation last night, where he's looked at to bail out a starting lineup that cant score. It's hard for me to envision Deshawn playing SG for us last night and contributing much.

That said, DSteves is playing well! Good for him, he's healthy and found his niche with the Mavs. Cool to see him and Caron starting for one of the league's better teams.

Posted by: divi3 | November 30, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Winning (a little) now with vets at the expense of a few younger players is fine. Too much losing breeds a bad culture imo.

But what we're doing now is losing with vets and short-timers at the expense of younger players. That's unacceptable.

For instance, I've seen enough of Thornton to not want to see anymore of him. He's always gonna be hot/cold, and he's always gonna have mystery injuries sideline him from time to time. He isnt going to be here next season.

So how much PT should he get?

Posted by: divi3 | November 30, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Every coach has a "vested interest in winning now" because winning now is how coaches keep their jobs. Bringing in a new coach wouldn't change that. If Grunfeld/Leonsis have an agenda that centers on playing/developing young guys with no regard for wins and losses, then the way to really facilitate that is to get rid of all the vets, thus forcing the coach's hand (which other GMs/owners of rebuilding teams have done). The fact that the first moves following Leonsis taking over were to re-sign Howard and acquire Hinrich suggests that they aren't fully willing to sacrifice now for later.
Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2010 2:48 PM

I happen to agree and thats the way I see most if not all coaching/management regimes. Anyone who follows the Skins can see that rather it's Gibbs 2.0 or Shannahan that irregardless of the current talent level or salary cap situation that these coaches DO NOT WANT TO REBUILD.

I don't agree with the theory but I acknowledge thats how these coaches think. As a fan, to me if it's obvious that my team will be .500 hundred at best for the next few years, core of the team old and absorbing the salary cap, I would rather suffer the rebuilding. I would like to see a perrinial challenger. These coaches will let you belive they are trying to build a champion but actually the plan is C.Y.O.A

Posted by: gmac78 | November 30, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

As for Saga's comment about neither having any offense to speak of, I can't say whether Seraphin has O. But I htink it is a bit unfair to say to say javale doesn't have any offense. he may not be lighting up 20 per, but isn't that Gilbert, Andray and Nick's job?

I wonder if Javale was 100% last night if Flip would have called his number a little more. He looked a foot taller than anyone else in the paint at times.

Javale's offense will come, Flip just wants to establish the base of his game to be rebounding and defense. Once that's entrenched, we'll see Mcgee having some plays run for him imo

Posted by: divi3 | November 30, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

What "young guys" is Thornton's playing time coming at the expense of? Gee? Martin? I don't see where either of them have any better chance of being here next year than Thornton has. Right now, Thornton (when healthy) is the best option the team has at SF. If there's a line of developing young SFs stacked up behind him, biding their time, I haven't noticed them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

I'm confused. You seem to be saying that everyone should man up and defend their own man.....and simultaneously that the team lacks team defensive principles.

Please clarify.

Posted by: ts35 | November 30, 2010 2:04 PM

Yes on the one hand, I am indicating that the team needs to play a better man to man defense. On the other hand, I am also saying that the team/coach does not have a good defensive strategy.

And compounding all of this is that as individuals they don't have great defenders.

The Wizs realize this, but erroneously they think that the help/switch D' is the way to go. It is a flawed strategy and leads to bad defensive principles across the board.

When Hinrich was checking Nelson the other night, he wasn't looking to shut Nelson down himself, but instead he was looking for the best way to guard against a P&R and how best to steer Nelson to help from his Team.

The Team/individual mindset is not to shutdown their assigned man, but how best to guard their man with help. This results in poor defense from the individual as well as the Team.

If you are playing one on one basketball, first to 11 wins. On offense you must score 11 first. On defense your every effort is stop your opponent from scoring. That is the mindset. On D you stay with that man every step and your positioning is primary so that you give up the hardest shot possible without fouling.

Now when you play man to man in a team setting your mindset has to be the same way on defense towards your man. If it is, it will make the Team Defense better and it will also make it easier for your teammate to help you if needed.

And to bring home the point, defenses should be known as ball hogging. If you ain't hogging the man with the ball, then you ain't playing no D.

A help/switch strategy doesn't hog the ball, it just passes your man off to the next one.

Offensive players dictate way to easily to the Wizs because we play help me defense, instead of I'm going to make life miserable for you and take the ball from you defense.

And the funny thing about all of this is, you don't have to be great defenders to have this kind of mindset and play this type of defense.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 30, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Winning (a little) now with vets at the expense of a few younger players is fine. Too much losing breeds a bad culture imo.

But what we're doing now is losing with vets and short-timers at the expense of younger players. That's unacceptable.

For instance, I've seen enough of Thornton to not want to see anymore of him. He's always gonna be hot/cold, and he's always gonna have mystery injuries sideline him from time to time. He isnt going to be here next season.

So how much PT should he get?

Posted by: divi3

Just to keep it in perspective, AT's a year and a half older than NY, so it's not like he's old. Hilton Armstrong is 7 months older than NY. Part of the difficulty with this roster is that almost all of the guys are young and also potentially short-timers, so really you can make a case for all of them being out there learning and trying to showcase what they bring.

Josh Howard is both a vet and a short-timer. By the time he gets back and ready to roll, the playoffs will likely be realistically out of the picture. Should they cut him loose now?

Personally, I'm fine with not seeing any more of AT. I like the way he started this year, and I think he does bring an element of physical play that the rest of the starters generally lack. But even with the way he started this year, at this point it still feels like he sort of is what he is, and injuries will be a constant battle for him. Even though a guy like Gee (or C-Mart, or pick your favorite) doesn't bring as much to the table right now, I'd still rather see more of what they can do.

It's the same with Seraphin / Booker / and even H. As the season progresses, if those guys show more comfort with the sets and their responsibilites, I think they should get more time at the expense of Armstrong's minutes, or even Yi's minutes. I think Yi still has a lot of potential, but except for a few spurts, I haven't seem him bring the kind of things the team needs.

I know it will change when guys get healthy, but I like the sort of blend they have going now, sort of like others have said. Having a situation where guys like Booker and Seraphin can get regular, if limited, minutes is a good thing going forward, even at the expense of a few wins.

Posted by: ts35 | November 30, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Blurred,

Sure McGee can score when he gets the ball close to the basket. But he is not the type you can give him the ball and let him goes to work. Blatche can at least do that even though people may not like his finesse style as a PF. As for Seraphin, I have to admit, he hasn’t played enough to really tell, but so far he hasn't displayed that skill (including some clips that I saw on youtube). One positive about Seraphin though is that he is unlikely to be pushed around like other bigs on this team.

BTW, Booker's last two dunks were amazing, can he do that in real meaningful minutes?

Posted by: sagaliba | November 30, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

THis is why you don't make sense. You always talk about streetball and runnin and gunnin.

They don't have a 6'10" 300lb. man setting picks in streetball. If you don't switch...you end up with lanes open like the Boston game where Blatche just stood there and watched. He DIDN'T switch or do anything.

It's not an individual thing. Pick and roll defense is a layered concept. Offensively and defensively. Even in the Orlando game...the defense was sound. You force a 6'0"" PG to try to shoot OVER a 7'0" C with springs in his shoes. Who wouldn't want that?

The problem is nobody boxed out D12 on the airball. That wasn't a defensive issue.

You talk about concepts and TEAM defense...then say stay with your man.

That's not how REAL basketball works.

If we get the rebound and win...you say nothing.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 30, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

@Larry,

So, the Wiz don't have great individual defenders, but those guys should still looking to 'shut down' their men. Uh, ok. That doesn't sound like a recipe for disaster at all.....

By the way, 'help' defense is not the same as 'switch' defense. Help defense covers a wide area of things. For example, last night against the Heat...In the 3rd quarter, Nick was doing his best to D up on LeBron and doing a solid job. So eventually Joel Anthony (I think) comes over and sets a good screen, totally clearing Nick off. LeBron turns the corner, but the guy guarding Anthony, Seraphin, has jumped out and closed off the lane. LeBron holds up, Seraphin recovers, Nick recovers and the play continues (and results in NY drawing the offensive foul on LBJ when he goes barreling to the basket like a fullback). Point is, that's good help defense. No team plays good D without it.

Steering your man towards help is actually good defense. Even if a player is trying to man up as hard as he can, if an offensive player is going to beat him, he should at least make sure that he beats him to the side that has help.

This is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point. The Pistons were a great defensive team. They had some great individual defenders, and some who weren't. But when faced with a superior offense player like MJ, they didn't just leave Joe Dumars on an island and say "Man up." They created team principles of defense for how to react as a team for whatever Jordan did, and tried to steer his to the spots of their choosing not his.

The Wizards not playing good D has less to do with the style or the strategy than it does the execution. Some of that is youth. Some of that is a legacy for the players who have been here who have never been on a good defensive team. That's why even when it looks like guys like Hinrich aren't pulling their weight on the floor, it's good to have those kinds of guys around because they at least know what good D is supposed to look like.

Posted by: ts35 | November 30, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

just wondering but based on what I have observed from the past 4 game what about the following starting lineup:
Wall
Arenas
Booker
Seraphin
McGee

what about it flip? hah! it's nice to dream what it would be like to be led by an open minded and creative coach with an eye on the future.

Posted by: spoooooooon | November 30, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

You force a 6'0"" PG to try to shoot OVER a 7'0" C with springs in his shoes. Who wouldn't want that?

Eh, Nelson makes that shot pretty easily against majority of Cs in the league. Hard to laud the scheme when it took a freakish effort to contest the shot.

Posted by: divi3 | November 30, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

TS35,

The example you site about NY guarding Bron is spot on. You see the reason why Nick gets credit for being one of our better defenders is because he plays a good man up defense first. Nick isn't looking for help or the switch. Nick looks to guard and stop his man first.

So when he got picked it is going be easier for the defense to help him. But lets say Nick was playing a weak man to man on Bron(like kirk on nelson the other night) and Bron was free to make choices without pressure from Nick(like nelson did the other night on kirk), then it would have been much harder to guard a free wheeling LeBron.

And the lack of superior defenders is why it becomes of the utmost importance to stay with your man and keep good position on him which only takes effort.

If you have great defenders across the board then you can afford to slack off your man and let him run freely.

Another thing, believe this or not. The P&R is not a stopper for good on the ball defense as some here keep indicating here.

Trust me, the harder you dog your man and not let him go feely around the court minimizes the P&R.

One of the reasons that Adrian Dantly was traded by Isaiah, was because the Pistons believed in staying in lock with their man wherever he went on the floor. The key being if you stayed with and checked your man, then it throwed the offense out of sync on every play. Isaiah thought that Dantly did not have the heart for this strategy, so he had him traded for his boy whom I forget now.

But the principal is still valid. Stay with your man as long and as doggedly possible and it will make it harder for the offense to work smoothly.

We play a weak man up defense and switch at the first fake or juke and nobody is really being checked.

We keep blaming the players and tell you ts35, it is the strategy and not the players and certainly not the P&R. I don't know why anybody would say the Wizards have poor defense because of the P&R. For real.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 30, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

What has Gee or Martin done wrong? What has Armstrong done wrong? Why are these players expendable, with nothing in return, or throwaways? Why would spooooon want to replace Blatche if he watched the last 4 games? The last two have been his best efforts, although the others were bad. Also, Booker cant shoot so the SF is not for him. Howard will probably not have the mobility to guard the SF this year, although he probably could score. Yi will have to toughen up or lose his minutes. What Gee, Martin, Armstrong and Seraphin have done is play hard.
REGULAR LINEUP
MCGEE - C
BLATCHE - PF If he continues to play D
Gee/Martin - SF Rebounding/Scoring/Defense
Arenas - SG
Wall - PG
BIG LINEUP
MCGEE
YI/SERAPHIN - If Blatche plays soft
BOOKER - Helps Yi with defense
GEE/MARTIN - More rebounding/defense and offense
WALL
BENCH
YOUNG SG
HINRICH PG
BOOKER PF
SERAPHIN PF
GEE/MARTIN SF
ARMSTRONG C
YI PF-C
My reason for substituting Yi for Blatche is to teach Blatche a lesson.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | November 30, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

So when he got picked it is going be easier for the defense to help him. But lets say Nick was playing a weak man to man on Bron(like kirk on nelson the other night) and Bron was free to make choices without pressure from Nick(like nelson did the other night on kirk), then it would have been much harder to guard a free wheeling LeBron.

Actually what Hinrich was doing was taking a choice away from Nelson. Again, he didn't play it great and neither did McGee, but had Hinrich been straight up on Nelson, he wouldn't have been any better off. It wasn't any easier for Seraphin to help Young than it was for McGee to help Hinrich. What helped in that case was that Anthony was no threat. He didn't roll the way Howard would. Seraphin also reacted better.

One of the reasons that Adrian Dantly was traded by Isaiah, was because the Pistons believed in staying in lock with their man wherever he went on the floor. The key being if you stayed with and checked your man, then it throwed the offense out of sync on every play. Isaiah thought that Dantly did not have the heart for this strategy, so he had him traded for his boy whom I forget now.

The way I understand it, is the only reason Dantley was traded in favor of Mark Aquirre was because Dantley refused to do automatically defer to Isaiah.

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Honestly, Larry, I accept part of what you're trying to say, in that each player needs to play harder on D, but that's not the same as critiquing the strategy. Plenty of teams help and switch to great effect. The strategy behind what Hinrich and McGee were trying to do was fine, it was the execution that was not good.

Posted by: ts35 | November 30, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Actually what Hinrich was doing was taking a choice away from Nelson. Again, he didn't play it great and neither did McGee

What did Mcgee do wrong? If he moved any further forward it's an uncontested dunk for Superman

Posted by: divi3 | November 30, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich went to play the pick and roll and cut that option off...Nelson went away from the pick and took a fallaway shot over our C that fell a foot short. They took away the lane and didn't let Howard roll for an easy basket.

He doesn't regularly make that shot. Most people would take that as a last shot to win the game. A PG taking a fadeaway OVER McGee.

McGee played it pretty well I think. Dwight just made a good play.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 30, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

If Hinrich did not get picked could he still make a difference. Hinrich has a hard time actually stopping or changing any shot. I like Hinrich, his defense is ineffective because he does not have the ability to block a shot from the front or get so close as to change the shot. He gets killed from the outside and requires help on the inside when the player gets past him. He tries, and the coach never fails to talk about how he works through the pick, but he cant actually change anything.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | November 30, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Too bad there's no nasty on this team. If Ron Artest had committed the foul, do you think someone would have f'd with him? No sir. Booker can be that guy, but it's way too early to tell, and I haven't seen him dish any pain. At least Hinrich stepped up to that young kid last night, although he probably knew that he would get some backup. It almost looked like a jr. high face to face tho...kind of funny.

Sincerely, Les BouleS Prophet

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Okay ts35, you say that the execution was bad, 1) and you say that if Kirk had manned up hard on Nelson, it would not have made a difference.

To point 1) the execution imo is doomed to fail in most cases when you set out to help in the first place. Point 2) If Kirk had manned up Nelson from the onset, we can't really say that Nelson would have ended up in the lane requiring our center to pick him up instead of staying with Howard.

You have more faith in the help/switch defense than I do and I apparently have more faith in manning up to the gill.

And yes, Dantley not automatically deferring to Isaiah is all apart of it. Dantley's pov on how to play D was not to Isaiah's liking, but Dantley would not cowtow to appease him.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 30, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"BTW, Booker's last two dunks were amazing, can he do that in real meaningful minutes?
Posted by: sagaliba"

That's basically why he was drafted - that and an aggressive attitude. Height-wise, he's a little below average for a PF, but check out those combine numbers (averages for the position in parenthesis):

No step vertical: 31.0 (avg 28.3)
Max vertical: 36.0 (avg 32.8)
Bench press: 22 (avg. 13)
Lane agility: 11.7 (avg 11.15)
3/4 court sprint: 3.10 (avg 3.31)

Basically he's a 240lb guy who's faster than most point guards. I imagine the dream was to pair him with Wall in a fast-break offense. Hasn't happened yet, but you could certainly see it coming to fruition at some point in the future.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 30, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, got one number reversed: the average in the lane agility test was 11.7; Booker ran it in 11.15. That's the league average for PGs, by the way.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 30, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, got one number reversed: the average in the lane agility test was 11.7; Booker ran it in 11.15. That's the league average for PGs, by the way.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 30, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Bench press what at 22 reps? 225lbs?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

NBA combine bench press is 185. 225 is the NFL.

Posted by: ts35 | November 30, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

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