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Posted at 10:58 AM ET, 11/23/2010

No official word on John Wall's status

By Gene Wang

The Washington Wizards appear hopeful rookie point guard John Wall will be back in the fold tonight against the Philadelphia 76ers at Verizon Center, but Coach Flip Saunders said anything definitive would have to wait until closer to tip-off.

Wall has missed the past four games with an injury to his left foot and ankle area suffered during a 103-96 loss at Chicago on Nov. 13. The No. 1 overall pick came back into the game afterward, but the additional stress may have impacted his recovery.

"Game-time decision," Saunders said this morning. "We'll see how he reacts today after shoot-around and how he works out prior to the game. We'll make a decision an hour before."

All indications are Wall is healthy enough to be back on the court after he participated fully in practice yesterday. Although he was not in uniform for Sunday's 115-110 overtime loss to Detroit, Wall was able to move around during pregame warmups without any apparent discomfort. Initially Wall was in a walking boot after the injury, but he has been wearing sneakers in recent days.

If Wall is able to play, he may be passing to a new teammate in Alonzo Gee, who joined the Wizards (4-8) yesterday after the club waived backup point guard Lester Hudson. Gee can play shooting guard or small forward, but Saunders said he anticipated Gee playing more at the 3.

Gee signed two 10-day contracts with the Wizards last season before bolting for the San Antonio Spurs.

"I didn't really know I was going to be back here," Gee said. "Like I said, it's good to be back, and I'm just ready to get going and ready to get playing."

By Gene Wang  | November 23, 2010; 10:58 AM ET
Categories:  John Wall  
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Comments


"Ernest soberly eyeballed Gee last spring and correctly surmised that, at this stage of his career, Gee was not worth a future partially guaranteed contract. Sadly the Spurs had to pay him guaranteed money before figuring out same. Is it now clear that Ernest is a man you NEVER want to play poker with? Even if he only had a pair of 3's, he would still cause a man with a royal flush to fold!"

Posted by: melodious_thunk | November 22, 2010 2:29 PM

That was true yesterday and it's still true today, haters.

Gee was under no obligation to robotically sign another contract with the Wizards without weighing his options (not to mention the fact that we all know that other teams will innocently "touch base" with an agent while an agent's player is still under contract to another team).

Gee likely knew he had a better deal coming from the Spurs while playing out his last few days of his 10-day contract and wisely took it. You can't blame Gee and you certainly cannot blame the master of his craft, one Ernest Grunfeld, for calmly assessing the situation and exercising restraint.

Closg (and other haters), you're off key by at least a semi-tone and you're dragging the tempo!

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | November 23, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse


I fully expect Wall to play tonight and come off the bench for a game a two while Flip buys more time before deciding whether Arenas or Hinrinch comes off the bench.

Flip has mad love for Kirk and has to start Wall. So when all is said and done...

"Gil, bench. Bench, Gil."

Posted by: gimmedat | November 23, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse


If Wall's healthy, he should start.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 23, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Don't think Gee is such a big deal. I will be more excited if Howard comes back healthy. Anyway, if Gee turns out to be a gem, then the blunder is on SA.

Quite frankly, I was (and till am) more disappointed that we didn't draft Blair with our 2nd rounder in 2009 than letting Gee sign with SA.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 23, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm just saying...He's OK for what he is, but he isn't going to be the guy that changes the Wiz history.

I don't think there is anyone who would disagree that Nick Young is not going change the franchise's history. Some folks are just pleased to see him finally coming around, which he clearly is. Credit Flip's coaching, then everyone can be happy

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I understand...I just don't believe he is really progressing that much, just getting more minutes.

He still is a 1.5 dimensional player. Shoots and sometimes plays D moderately well.

he is a streaky shooter and that has not changed. You still can't count on him to make the play. Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

When he can do more than hit a hot streak shooting, then I'll be happy to have him on the floor more. he is on the floor now because The "best" (we'll see) GF, Howard, is still injured, The next best SF is blowing hard (Thornton), The 3rd best option at 3 (Booker) is still alittle rusty and the 4th best option, YI, is injured. Add to that the fact that Wall has been out so Flip can't go with a real 3G lineup and you can see why Young is logging minutes.

All I am saying is that Young doesn't have a real NBA worthy game, at least not on a GOOD, healthy contender. We are a sort of bad (but getting better) non-contender with some key injuries. Good on Nick for taking advantage of that.

My prediction is that he will see a lot less time as Wall, Yi and Howard get healthy, and even less time as Booker gains experience.

He may come in for 5-10 minutes and get 12 points, giving him 46 ppg avg on a per 36 basis and I am all for that role. I just don't think Nick is anything more than a 7th or 8th option on a competitive team.

BTW, did you bother to compare any of the 60 or so "better" GF's on a per 36 basis?

Posted by: Blurred | November 23, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

@blurred

You're wildin. If you don't watch the games you really shouldn't comment. I dunno what the stats are showing you, but watching the games shows me a player that is confident in his abilities,knows his role in the system, and is working hard while he's on the court. Why else would Flip,who was so reluctant to play NY, be giving him "More minutes" as you mentioned? Is Flip trying to tank it?

Anyone who's watched this team since NY was drafted has seen his struggles to crack the lineup. It's truly laughable to think that he hasn't progressed any. And trust me, it's not his scoring. His scoring average this year is very close to his career scoring average. Flip isn't just digging the points Nick gives you. NY's playing D, hustling after loose balls (like the one he saved, a coupla nights ago that saved a possesion and maybe the game against MEM)and giving effort for the entire time he's on the court. You don't see the goofy smile of the dejected looks from missed shots.

NY's ballin right now. To come onto this site and trash NY as if he's averaging a career high in minutes but producing like a 6th man, well i think you've got the worng guy. He's playing his role to a TEE right now and that's why his mins have gone up and that's why Flip is trusting him in a way that he didn't last year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 23, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

@Blurred
BTW most wing players in the game today are more streaky shooters than pure shooters. However there are several pure shooters who aren't scorers. Mike Miller was a pure shooter, but not a scorer. He could knock down that set shot with ease, but could rarely create for himself. NY may be a streaky shooter, but he is a pure scorer. He can beat his man in a lot of different ways, and a team with a bench as shaky as ours is needs guys who can manufacture buckets. I'd rather have a backup 2 who's a scorer and streaky shooter than just a shooter. There's no point in trotting out a guy who shoots 60% from the arc but will only take 1 per game. I'll take NY and his solid shot selection any day.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 23, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Blurred,

To the streaky shooter part, he's shooting 49% this season. That's pretty darn good. And that includes his 1-8 night. Since we're comparing his stats to everyone else, he's 8th in FG% for SGs. Beyond that, the shots he's taking now are much better than they used to be. That's why I can live with the 1-8 night, because all of the shots were good shots out of the offense.

It's only a short sample and he's going to be impacted by Wall's return, but even I see a difference in Young's play. Call it an epiphany, call it coaching, call it playing for a contract, but he has been playing better and more focused and has earned the opportunity to keep some of his minutes even after Wall's return.

As for the rest of the 3's. Imo, Yi is not now, nor will he ever be a good fit for the 3. He's agile for a PF/C, but will get toasted by most SFs. To me, he hasn't brought enough other things yet to compensate for that.

Booker might be able to guard some 3s, but you run into the a similar problem with him that you're complaining about with NY. At this point, Booker is a 1.5 dimensional player. He's a hustle player. He'll play hard on D and will get some rebounds, but he's not going to score and likely not get many assists, either, so it's sort of pick your poison there.

AT is more physical than Nick, boards better, can score, but he isn't as much of a perimeter threat and like NY isn't going to rack up assists. Again, pick your poison.

Howard does represent the most complete 3....if healthy. We'll have to see when he takes the court.

Posted by: ts35 | November 23, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

BTW, did you bother to compare any of the 60 or so "better" GF's on a per 36 basis?

per36 is on bballref and you cant compare players unless you do it individually. ESPN does per48, and Nick looks good there- but no one likes per48 since it's so unrealistic. So here are 2SG playing roughly 36mins vs NY's per36

Joe Johnson
17.6pts/3.6reb/5assts/3.6TO 41%FG

Brandon Roy
18.1pts/3.3rebs/2.5assts/1.8TO 40%FG

Nick's per36
18.6pts/3.2rebs/.5assts/.5TO 49%FG

I'm not saying he's Joe Johnson or Brandon Roy, but to say he's playing like the "60th best" in the league is laughable (no offense!)

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

but I don't think failing to sign a guy who's at best a bench guy, and who you were arguing yesterday would have a hard time finding minutes, constitutes a huge blunder.

It's a huge blunder based on the error, not the quality of player. There's a guy you want to be on the team but you forgot to file the paperwork, that's inexcusable- similar to lawyer forgetting to meet a filing deadline. If that's what happened anyway.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

It was a minor blunder, but a superior GM from a superior organization (Spurs) ate Ernie's lunch and kicked sand in his face.

It is a FACT that the Wizards had first- rights to Gee after signing him to the 1st 10 day contract. Gee only had the option to sign elsewhere AFTER his 2nd 10-day contract had expired. Ernie was a beat too-slow and Gee signed with the Spurs. Flip and Ernie wanted Gee back-then. Ernie made amends for his incompetence and I salute him for it.

Posted by: closg | November 23, 2010 12:32 PM

melodious_thunk, you have demostrated well that Ernie Grunfeld is your muse, give it rest.

Posted by: closg | November 23, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

It was a minor blunder, but a superior GM from a superior organization (Spurs) ate Ernie's lunch and kicked sand in his face.

It is a FACT that the Wizards had first- rights to Gee after signing him to the 1st 10 day contract. Gee only had the option to sign elsewhere AFTER his 2nd 10-day contract had expired. Ernie was a beat too-slow and Gee signed with the Spurs. Flip and Ernie wanted Gee back-then. Ernie made amends for his incompetence and I salute him for it.

Posted by: closg | November 23, 2010 12:32 PM

melodious_thunk, you have demonstrated well that Ernie Grunfeld is your muse, give it rest.

Posted by: closg | November 23, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

It's a huge blunder based on the error, not the quality of player. There's a guy you want to be on the team but you forgot to file the paperwork, that's inexcusable- similar to lawyer forgetting to meet a filing deadline. If that's what happened anyway.

Posted by: divi3

Sorry, I still don't buy it as huge. And I don't know how you can divorce the magnitude of the repercussions from the action. If I go on vacation and leave the lights on, it's a mistake, but just costs me some money on my electric bill. If I leave my stove on however......

But whatever, it was a mistake, add it to the pile.

Posted by: ts35 | November 23, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

@ts35:

As I'm sure you know, pointing out that Young is shooting 49% overall from the field is in no way a relevant counter to the argument that he's a streaky shooter. Streaky means inconsistent, and you can't judge that based on an overall aggregate number.

Of the 12 games he's played, he's had 6 where he's shot 33% or below and 5 where he's shot 50% or higher. That's a pretty big swing, which is exactly what "streaky" means. And while it is true that most of his poor shooting games are clumped together in the earlier part of the season and most of his better ones are more recent, it's also true (as Blurred touches on) that most of his better shooting performance (percentage wise) come in games where he played more minutes.

When taken as a whole, all of this leads to the view that Young is a streaky volume shooter. A guy who can get hot (but is in no way guaranteed to) if he hoists up enough shots, but struggles to be efficient in a limited role. And therein lies the problem.

Unlike Roy or Johnson, Young is not (and likely never will be) a starter on a deep playoff caliber team. He's most likely going to be a career backup and, as such, he needs to be able to be productive in limited minutes. He hasn't shown that capacity because when his shot's not falling (as it often doesn't when he's playing limited minutes) the rest of his game goes south as well (as has frequently been noted here). With the rotating injuries to Arenas and Wall (and the absence of Howard), Young has been playing near starters minutes the last few games and reaped the benefits of it. But his history suggests that when the roster is healthy and his PT is reduced to a more customary backup role, there's a good chance he'll lapse back into old his established pattern.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying he's Joe Johnson or Brandon Roy, but to say he's playing like the "60th best" in the league is laughable (no offense!)


Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I just meant that using per 36 can really skew a players numbers. Guys like Gary Forbes show up as dominant rebounders. and guys like paul george and Terrence Williams look like the best all around players in the league.

A few games ago, I gave Nick full credit for having a great game and hoped he would continue. from there he had 2 games wityh good scoring and a total of like 2 asst and 3 rebounds and the one 1-8 game.

I think he has improved over the past year and part of that comes form playing more minutes.

I like that he has started to hustle a lot more.

I just wish he had more to his game than scoring.

I will say it one last time though: he is what is and that is a mediocre player and a pretty bad and injured team. When the team gets healthy, there will be fewer and fewer minutes for him...

Hopefully he proves me wrong and when he does, I will give him full credit and be thankful.

Remmeber, all of this started not because I was trying to trash Nick, but because posters on here were making him sound like the next Joe Johnson/Roy/Jackson. i was just trying to "get real" about where his game is lacking (almost all points except shooting and some moderate defense)and why that meant that if he is your best SG or SF, you aren't going to go very far.

All anyone came back with is "he is a SHOOTING guard, of course he only shoots."

I guess what i am saying is sort of similar to what i said about haywood all last year: he is fine for a team that is OK with getting bumped in the first round, but if he is your starter, your team ain't going to far.

Of course I like Nick better than Haywood because he has a better attitude, is much younger, is still improving and costs a lot less.

Posted by: Blurred | November 23, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

NY may be a streaky shooter, but he is a pure scorer. He can beat his man in a lot of different ways, and a team with a bench as shaky as ours is needs guys who can manufacture buckets. I'd rather have a backup 2 who's a scorer and streaky shooter than just a shooter.

And given we basically run 3 PGs as much as feasibly possible, it's more pertinent that Nick score than it is he racks up assists. There have been a few times it appeared Wall, Arenas, and Hinrich were all looking to set someone else up and the offense went to crap. Somebody's gotta pull the trigger. IMO, running NY with Wall and Hinrich is a good look if Flip wants to use 3 guards

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

He's most likely going to be a career backup

What happened to Europe??

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Here is the best example of why you shouldn't use "per 36" to compare players:

16 pts, 52% shooting, 56% 3pt shooting, 3.6 boards, 1.3 asst, .3 to, .6 steals.

Anyone guess who it is?

Posted by: Blurred | November 23, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Of the 12 games he's played, he's had 6 where he's shot 33% or below and 5 where he's shot 50% or higher. That's a pretty big swing, which is exactly what "streaky" means

That's extremely misleading. 4 of the 33% or below games:

0-2
1-3
1-3
1-4

That's not streaky shooting, it's limited opportunity. It can be debated why the opportunity is limited, but it's not streaky shooting.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone???
Beuhler??? Beuhler??? Anyone???

Posted by: Blurred | November 23, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Divi...This is my point completely...Since Nick offers almost NOTHING else besides scoring, if he isn't hitting his shots, you can't afford to keep him in the game.

Thus, he will always have limited value until he gets a more complete game.

Because of that, on a competitive team, he will always be a bench player with limited minutes. Those minutes limited to either when a team has a slew of injuries or when he comes out nailing his shots. as soon as he misses 2 or 3 shots, you've got to pull him unless there is nobody else physically able to play the position.

Posted by: Blurred | November 23, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Anyone notice how much Kirk Hinrich is an offensive liability at point guard???

I dont understand Flip's love affair with him. Anyone with any kind of basketball mind can see Hinrich dribbles too much, and hurts the offense because of it. Gilbert is a MUCH BETTER passer and player in general. They lost to Detroit based upon Kirk's pg play if you ask me.

Or even if Kirk plays, tell him to move the ball more! I just dont understand. Glibert is clearly a better player and a smarter player.

Posted by: TheMeccaHowardU | November 23, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

@closg

"Ernie was a beat too slow...."

Touche. However, you might want to get your metronome calibrated.

Obviously in Ernest's estimation Gee had not demonstrated that he deserved a contract for the rest of the season after that first 10-day contract expired so Ernest, even in the harsh glare of 20/20 hindsight, did the right thing by signing him to another 10-day deal.

If Ernest Grunfeld is my muse, he appears to be your raison d'etre, as I see your screen ID only when there is something negative to be posted about him.

Again, it's not just about getting your man. It's about getting him at the right price, at the right time. Ernest Grunfeld will NOT negotiate against himself or hand out duffel bags full of cash for an unproven player like Gee. Did you note that Gee signed a NON-GUARANTEED contract with the Wizards yesterday? If Gee were all that, surely his agent would have been able to line up a guaranteed contract for him somewhere, right? (*sigh*)

Oddly, if Ernest had partially guaranteed Gee's 2010-2011 contract after he'd been with the team for 20 days, only to waive him less than one month into the 2010 season, you would have been among the first to tear him a new one. The Spurs rolled snake eyes on Gee, not the Wizards.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | November 23, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

While i am not about to go all in on "In Grunfeld we Trust," thunk makes some good points.

Many of us (myself included liked Gee's hustle and were sorry to see him go. he is, however a deep bench player so why spend any extra $$$$ on him if you don't have to?

Nonetheless, I pretty much say to Gee, "Glad to have you back and good luck. I hope you prove the entire league wrong and become an all-star."

Posted by: Blurred | November 23, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

And for the record, the stat line I posted earlier is the "per 36" so far this season for everyone's favorite DeShawn Stephenson.

According to Divi3's per 36 observations, DeShawn is better than Brandon Roy but is being stymied by not getting enough playing time to prove it.

Posted by: Blurred | November 23, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Kalo,

By that sort of vague definition, everyone's a streaky shooter.

For any player playing limited minutes and therefore getting limited shots, there is more likelihood for wider statistical variation, percentage-wise. Any player getting extended minutes and more shots has greater opportunity to trend towards the mean.

Honestly, considering Blurred seemed to be making the case that in addition to Howard and Thornton, Booker and Yi were better options at the 3, I decided to weigh in.

By far the important factor for Young is whether shooting is the only area he's contributing in. If he's just coming in and jacking up shots, then his shooting percentage/ streakiness is much more at issue.

If he is coming in, like he has been recently, and playing solid D, and making more effort to rebound, and at least taking his shots out of the offense instead of freelancing, then his shooting percentage matters less, and even if it is streaky, averaging out at 49% for a shooting guard is still worthwhile. His lack of even attempts to get assists is still bothersome, but it bothers me less because of the improvement in other areas, and he can still be an effective player within his current role.

But at this point, I am bailing on this particular discussion, because there doesn't seem to be a real wide range of disagreement, and whatever the real intent was, it has the potential to devolve into nonsense, which at best, I would only contribute to. Peace out!

Posted by: ts35 | November 23, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

According to Divi3's per 36 observations, DeShawn is better than Brandon Roy but is being stymied by not getting enough playing time to prove it.

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse...

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"By that sort of vague definition, everyone's a streaky shooter."

There's nothing "vague" about it. I think it's pretty well understood what a "streak shooter" is: Someone who swings unpredictably between extreme hot and cold streaks with little or no middle ground. A guy who misses 2/3 of his shots in half his games and makes more than half in the rest is, by definition, a streaky shooter. If there's another less "vague" definition you're aware of, please feel free to enlighten us.


"For any player playing limited minutes and therefore getting limited shots, there is more likelihood for wider statistical variation, percentage-wise."

Nonsense. Consistency is not a function of PT or shots taken.

"Any player getting extended minutes and more shots has greater opportunity to trend towards the mean."

Is that supposed to mean something? Because in the context of Young's shooting, it really doesn't. Who said anything about "trending towards the mean"? The issue is Young's consistency as a shooter and his general unreliability/unpredictability as a player, not whether he shoots at or near the league average.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"That's extremely misleading. 4 of the 33% or below games:
0-2
1-3
1-3
1-4
That's not streaky shooting, it's limited opportunity. Posted by: divi3"

Actually, it could be streaky shooting. Nick's FG% has fluctuated quite a bit. His 3 point % in particular is down this season. But will that hold up over the remaining games? Can't tell. He'll almost certainly improve his 3 point percentage from the current lower 30's, but we don't know how many he'll jack up from beyond the arc over the course of a season.

More than his shooting, I think he's been inconsistent in his effort, and that's what has been getting him pulled from games (along with the occasional bonehead error). His effort level has been up, and he's on the court more. If he just focuses on that, he could really help his career.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 23, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"What happened to Europe??"

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 1:03 PM

Last I checked, it was still there.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

@Kalo,

Thanks for confirming my instinct.

Posted by: ts35 | November 23, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"That's not streaky shooting, it's limited opportunity. "

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 1:09 PM

I fail to see how/why the two are mutually exclusive.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

nonsense to label a player as "streaky" based on 1-3 shooting nights. As if the "non-streaky" shooters out there never go 1-3 on their way to a 8-12 night. And never have 1-8 nights either.

come on, give the guy credit where it's due- THIS SEASON he's been pretty consistent. Unless of course Flip calling him the most consistent player on the team is just another case of Saunders being too easy on Young...we all know Nick's always been one of his favorites yeah

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

This team is very, very deep. Even more so when Josh Howard returns. Coach Saunders has an abundance of talent to work with. The only problem is Blatche. I'm waiting for him to become a consistent threat inside. He cannot continue to shy away from the contact in the paint area. He needs to step his game up before he's labeled as "soft".

Posted by: carterm1 | November 23, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Kalo is of the opinion that this roster will be completely different in a couple of years. If that becomes the case, we will once again become perennial losers. We have some REAL NICE pieces -- championship contender pieces (if you have a little vision). We cannot afford to turn this roster over again. We need to develop what we have. All of the contenders have had a core group of players together for years. We MUST keep this group together and sink or swim with it if we have ANY hopes of becoming an NBA champion within a reasonable period of time.

Despite the fact that I HATE the recent overall play of 'Dray (although he has had his moments), I also see some signs that he may be ready to break out. I don't believe it's as much the out-of-shape issue as it is he seems hell-bent-for-leather on scoring 20 points every night, come hell or high water. He's doing some major forcing, as opposed to just letting the game come to him. He will be much more effective if he just takes what the defense gives him. The way teams are defending him, he could actually average double-figures in assists if he would just move the ball, especially with the shooters we have. The moments where he is doing just that have increased ever so slightly. Cause for hope.

Flip, as well and the team, has shown great improvement over the past couple of weeks. More reason for hope.

Posted by: bpybay | November 23, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"Kalo is of the opinion that this roster will be completely different in a couple of years. If that becomes the case, we will once again become perennial losers."

That's where they were headed when the 'old' Wizards began to dissolve last season. A suspended star with a toxic contract and a terrible health history. Three other starters traded for, well, bupkis. A bunch of marginal NBA players and some kids who had yet to show much more than promise. Of such stuff are perennial losers made.

They've certainly made some progress since then. Mainly they got lucky, the way Leonsis did with Ovechkin. But it would be naive to think this current roster offers the sort of talent you need to contend. If somebody like McGee blossoms, that's terrific, but he's only one piece of the puzzle. We need more drafts, and more luck in the draft.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 23, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

BTW, don't forget the consensus is that there's a lockout coming.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

According to Divi3's per 36 observations, DeShawn is better than Brandon Roy but is being stymied by not getting enough playing time to prove it.

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse...

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Not really obtuse as much as hyperbolic. Just saying that "per 36" is meaningless because there is a reason that most players get either more or less time.

DeShawn's excellent "per 36" pretty well show the most extreme proof of this.

Posted by: Blurred | November 23, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

If somebody like McGee blossoms, that's terrific, but he's only one piece of the puzzle. We need more drafts, and more luck in the draft.


Posted by: Samson151 | November 23, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse


how about Mcgee and Wall - and a guy like Booker really making good strides. Arenas finds his role as more of a tactical ninja, rather than a gatlin gun, Seraphin actually becomes the enforcer that folks have talked about, We get a good draft pick this year, make a trade or two and either 7-day continues to improve (ie: plays a single lick of D) or one of our trade/picks or a FA signing gets us a solid PF.

With a few breaks, we have a continder in 2013.

Definitely optimistic thinking, but...

Posted by: Blurred | November 23, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"In Grunfeld We Trust!!"

Barf. EG is a below average GM and as they say "You are what your record is." There's really nothing to argue here. He's going to get fired, it's just a matter of time.

NY hits open shots, I gotta give him that. The problem with him is his focus and until he reigns that in he's going to be a career back-up.

"Kalo is of the opinion that this roster will be completely different in a couple of years."

Kalo is right. In two years MOST of the players here now will not be here. Case in point this blog continuously argues over players who well, suck for the lack of a better word.

Example: Gee.

He was signed by SA and played virtually no minutes into this year. Last year in Washington he played about 17 minutes a game.

That should tell you the difference in a team like SA and a team like Washington. You're not going to win games with a team full of "Gee's" and that's what the Wiz's roster is full of right now. He's 6th/7th man in here and even started a couple games, but in SA he was probably inactive most nights.

The Wiz aren't going to get better until they have the room to move under the "cap"
which means Gilbert can't be here. When Hinrich's contract is up he's gone, they aren't going to re-sign him for the money he's getting now.

Howard will be healthy soon and after this year he will thank the Wiz and go to a veteran club to try and win a ring.

Dray is lazy and turns the ball over too much, but I think he'll be here even though I don't think he should.

McGee will be here.

Obviously Wall will be here.

I have a feeling NY will still be here.

I like Yi's game personally, he has very sound fundemantals. He sets really good picks, can pass, and has good position. He just needs more strength. He's solid off of the bench.

Beyond that, you can cut everybody else and sign a bunch of Gee's because they are all the same.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 23, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Re Alonzo Gee, here's a favorable write up of Gee on a Spurs blog, to get re-acquainted with him:

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2010/9/24/1710539/get-to-know-your-new-spurs-4-alonzo-gee

Posted by: PostSubscriber | November 23, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse


You're not going to win games with a team full of "Gee's" and that's what the Wiz's roster is full of right now. He's 6th/7th man in here and even started a couple games, but in SA he was probably inactive most nights.

Posted by: rmcazz

Gee is a 6th/7th man here? Exaggerate much, Ray?

Wall
Arenas
Hinrich
Blatche
McGee
Thornton
Yi
Young
Armstrong
Howard
Gee

On a healthy Spurs team Gee is 12th man or inactive. On a healthy Wizards team, he's at best 11th man.

Posted by: ahwyatt | November 23, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see this new article on Kobe? Really good read. Always wished Gil was a little more like this. He had the drive but wasnt serious enough at times

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-kobebryantchat112310

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 23, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

NBA rosters are always evolving. Lots of 8-15 roster guys that end up living like gypsies moving from club to club. Kwame Brown's a good example, he'll continue to find work, and will continue looking for work most every year.

The roster will continue to roll over, it's what's being done at the core of the roster that really matters.

Can McGee continue to improve his overall play? He must be on a roll because some of his resident critics have been pretty mum lately. Moved on to important things like whining about Gee's signing and how many minutes he won't get.

Wizards team last spring, and the Wizards team now, are two different things. Gee won't get 17 min a game on this Wizards roster either, doesn't mean he can't be a valuable role player. Even one that could develop into a rotation guy.

SA is the team they are (one) because they got lucky in the draft and (two)They are very good at finding and developing talent that others have missed. Ernie seems to be trying to mine that same vein this year.

He's not going to strike it rich in every case, but there is reason to believe he'll get lucky with one, or more, of the group that includes Yi, Armstrong, Martin, Thorton, and now Gee. Which combined really cost the Wiz nothing.

The notion that Gil has to be gone before this team can improve is somewhat questionable. He's shown signs of returning to form in recent games. And he's seeming to buy in to playing D, passing the ball, and shooting in the flow of the offense. Almost to the extreme.

Is he over paid? yes. Do teams win, go to playoffs, and even win titles with overpaid players. Yes again.

But, do teams take a bath trading overpaid players? Hell yes they do. Trade Arenas for nothing and you set the process back, not move it forward. Arenas will be here because netting a return in trading him is going to be next to impossible.

Howard returns healthy and starts to play really well, he could be gone before the deadline this year if the right deal presents it's self. And Hinrich is being featured, if I've ever saw a guy being setup to be traded, he's it. His name will be floating at the deadline. Again, if Ernie can get a future peice out of Hinrich he's going to make the move.

Every move Ernie has made since getting Wall indicates that he is attempting to build with players that can play uptempo. I disagree with the notion that he's going to have to reverse field at some point and bring in players that are suited to playing 1/2 court basketball so they can play winning basketball.

The Lakers and Celtics will not be the teams they are now in two years. They will be like SA, still too good to blow up, and hoping they don't fall off a cliff like Detroit. By then the big three in Miami will have won a title or will be being celebrated as the biggest bust in history.

The Wizards will be trying to compete with teams like the Thunder that are emerging now playing more uptempo basketball.

Take that to the bank...

Posted by: flohrtv | November 23, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Why the hoopla over Gee? He is really a D-league end of the bench player that won't be on the Wizards in a few years when the Wizards are an elite team led by Wall.

Posted by: Theone9 | November 23, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

@flohrtv

We obviously disagree on the need to eventually be able to execute in the half court. Topic covered, no need to go back into it. Imo, EG, has attempted to acquire more athletic players and certainly brought in players who can run with Wall. That athleticism can also translate in the half court. He also drafted Seraphin, brought in Hinrich, brought in Morrison, who imo were more half-court oriented moves.

Posted by: ts35 | November 23, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I hope the guys dont expect an easy win. It seems like one of those typical Wiz games where the fans expect something and then we dont come out ready while the other team comes out fired up. We end up scoring like 13pts in the 1st quarter and trailing by 15 or more. Typical Wiz crap. Hoped it doesnt happen. Then We come back behind Wall but its still a crappy game. Weve got to be focus and the vets have to lead so things like that dont happen

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 23, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

He also drafted Seraphin, brought in Hinrich, brought in Morrison, who imo were more half-court oriented moves.

Bringing in Morrison was actually a half-ass move.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 23, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

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