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Open thread: Wizards (0-2) vs. 76ers (0-3)

The Wizards' home opener has finally arrived at they host the Philadelphia 76ers in a battle of winless teams. John Wall received treatment on his sprained right ankle and will play. Gilbert Arenas will not play, but Coach Flip Saunders said before the game that the three-time all-star will practice on Wednesday. This will mark the first matchup between Wall and No. 2 pick Evan Turner and former Wizards coach Doug Collins returns for the first time since the Michael Jordan era ended in 2003. Collins said that former Wizards owner Irene Pollin will be in attendance. Chat about the game in the comments below, or join the conversation on Twitter with writers Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee) and Gene Wang (@gene_wang). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 7 p.m.; TV: CSN; Radio: 106.7 FM.


By Gene Wang  | November 2, 2010; 6:55 PM ET
 
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McGee must be in the Witness Protection Program. Or maybe Flip felt like he was pissing down his leg when he committed those two early fouls. At any rate, he'll be ready to bust out in the second half.

Posted by: bobabuie | November 2, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

McGhee gets no respect..Armstrong is getting more play time.

Posted by: bobilly2 | November 2, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

What is going on with this sh!tttttty (choppy) Comcast broadcast of the game?!?!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 2, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

10 secs left in the game down by 3 and of course our Nick Young is on the bench...Flip is losing me 3 games into the season....3 is the magic number btw

Posted by: TinyJordan | November 2, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

AB is killing the Wiz. A turnover machine. Soft as tissue paper. Does he have an assist in the game?

Posted by: gregandcass | November 2, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

John Wall is God.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 2, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations John Wall for his first win in the NBA and to the Wizards for there first win of the season and the new era.

Posted by: DrWho2 | November 2, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

John Wall is God.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 2, 2010 10:07 PM

Seconded.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 2, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it in perspective. An 0-2 team beat an 0-3 team in OT.

Let's not break out the champagne just yet.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 2, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Wow John Wall..take a bow son!

can't wait till arenas & Howard gets back...this should be fun once flip realizes AB is too soft to trust in crunch time and henrich shouldn't be playing over young...esp when hes hot

Posted by: TinyJordan | November 2, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Game on the line, one point down, down on the block, balls comes in, fakes elton brand, spins to basket, brand fouls, blatche to the free throw line, bottoms them both, up by one, Moneeey! Gametime Baby! Lets go back.

Oh, but elton can't go no mo', his 6th foul. Money baby. And they say Blatche ain't got game.

Kalo_rama, come git some baby.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 2, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Can anybody tell what good reason did McGee have to go the bench in OT. As soon as he did Philly drove the lane for an easy kick pass to Brand.

Did you see Walls face on the bench at the end of the timeout when they lost the lead on Brands shot. He was pissed. Somehow I felt that he knew that when McGee was taken out Philly scored to easily.

I might be stretchin a bit but no way Philly drives the lane for an uncontested dish with the game on the line with McGee still in the game.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 2, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse


Wizards won tonight DESPITE Flip Saunders. He's stayed with a bad lineup waaaaay to long and cost the Wizards the lead when John Wall was sitting for a breather in the 4th.

Posted by: bobabuie | November 2, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

>>What is going on with this sh!tttttty (choppy) Comcast broadcast of the game?!?!

I had the same problem, it was doing that during a Caps game the other night. It was like watching the Max Headroom version of basketball. :D

It was an awesome game to watch. Yeah it's two previously winless teams, but they've gotta learn to win and be resilient, and start somewhere. :)

Posted by: blackjack65 | November 2, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Seems like it's been years since I've seen a Wizards game that exciting.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 2, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich 42 minutes and 8pts. Is there anybody else who can come in and give it a shot? I am not feeling Flip Saunders at all.

Posted by: spades72 | November 2, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, looking for more production at the center spot. Nice to see AB hit the line so many times and make them.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301102027

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 2, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Great win for Wall and the Wizards!

Blatche had a nightmarish overtime with the three TOs but made up for it with the clutch FTs. I hope he finds his shooting touch soon because the Wizards aren't going to win too many more games with him shooting 29% from the field.

Hinrich (-14) had the lowest +/- of any player in the game not named Evan Turner (-15). He's the ideal back up PG at this point and should really help when Arenas gets back in the lineup to make sure Flip doesn't wear Wall out. It would be insane for Flip to play him over Thornton or Martin at small forward when Arenas is healthy.

Wall played 44 minutes tonight and if he'd played 43 minutes the Wizards would have lost.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 2, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's hear it for...Nick Young! Terrific game, Flip didnt play him enough. I dont know what came through on television, but watching at the arena, he may have been the best defender on the team tonight to go along with all the scoring. Reward him Flip! You cant play Wall/Hinrich 40+ EVERY NIGHT

Posted by: divi3 | November 2, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

and John Wall is so fricking REAL DEAL it's gotta make you happy

Posted by: divi3 | November 2, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it in perspective. An 0-2 team beat an 0-3 team in OT.

Let's not break out the champagne just yet.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 2, 2010 10:14 PM

Nobody said that the Wizards is a great team it was more of acknowledging the play of John Wall and celebrating the win. But hey, when you live in a black hole you will always shine a negative light.

Posted by: spades72 | November 2, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it in perspective. An 0-2 team beat an 0-3 team in OT.

Let's not break out the champagne just yet.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 2, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

This might be one of the only times I have agreed with your post. And it was at home. This game clearly shows why Atrenas is needed if this club is going to be decent. Hinrich is clearly a backup because he can't score nor is he defending worth a damn (which is supposed to be his forte). He got torched again by Lou Williams.

Posted by: NewManagement | November 2, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

John Wall can be anything except for being God. That's blasphemy.

Posted by: spades72 | November 2, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Obviously the team would be much better with Arenas on the floor. But there are still positives to draw from the tight win over a bad team:

1)Wall is the dealio
2)Blacthe's shot selection has improved every game
3)Nick and Cartier are proving to be deserving of legit minutes, critical given Gil's bad health

Posted by: divi3 | November 2, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

"This might be one of the only times I have agreed with your post. And it was at home. This game clearly shows why Atrenas is needed if this club is going to be decent. Hinrich is clearly a backup because he can't score nor is he defending worth a damn (which is supposed to be his forte). He got torched again by Lou Williams.

Posted by: NewManagement | November 2, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse "

The sad thing is that Les BouleS probably wouldn't be in this predicament and wouldn't have needed to draft JWow if Gilby had held up his end of the bargain.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 2, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I tellin this Hinrich stuff is full of it. We took on a 8 and a 9 million dollar contract on a role player for 3 mil in cash that we basically used to pay Josh Howards salary.

We took on 17 million for a role player that Flip has annoited Golden Boy, and yeah he might be a good veteran role player, one that Chicago saw as expendable, cause they might have figured he ain't worth that kind of money, regardless of the fact they wanted to get in the FA sweepstakes.

Kalo_rama keeps sayin it is all good because next year it is a expiring contract and teams will take a flyer on him.

I don't know of any teams in the NBA that are gonna take an expiring contract for 9 mil on Kirk Hinrich.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 2, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Helluva game tonight and JOHN WALL IS THE TRUTH!

I'm starting to get a greater appreciation for this Thornton kid too. He and Wall are the only guys who consistently try to get to the rack and finish strong. And Thornton isn't scared to mix it up with opposing bigs.

I'm withholding any praise of Nick Young until he can put two good performances together.

Posted by: harrybalz | November 2, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

'GIMP' WALL is really favoring that ankle. Did you see him limp off after the interview.? This ain't good.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 2, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich is clearly a backup because he can't score nor is he defending worth a damn (which is supposed to be his forte). He got torched again by Lou Williams.

Kirk is basically irrelevant on the floor. Doesnt make mistakes, but also doesnt accomplish anything. It will be tough for some fans to come to grips with that, but that's what he is at this point in his career. Or at least through 3 games with us.

Posted by: divi3 | November 2, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse


'GIMP' WALL is really favoring that ankle. Did you see him limp off after the interview.? This ain't good.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 2, 2010 11:04 PM

Yeah, I hope it doesn't turn out to be a 4-week thing with Arenas. On the other hand, Josh Howard was jumping up and down when the Wiz won the game and didn't appear to favoring his knee at all.

Posted by: harrybalz | November 2, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm all up on WALL and THORNTON. Nothin' but love, baby.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 2, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm all up on WALL and THORNTON. Nothin' but love, baby.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 2, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

hinrich looks alot better when the frontcourt plays well. When Noah was his teammate he knew where the help would come from. New system new players it takes awhile to gel

Posted by: jefferu | November 2, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

the best thing about Wall was his stats were of the EZ variety. Did not look like he was playing out of his head at any point...yet he goes for 29/13/9steals. That's highly encouraging to say the least, kid is ALL THAT and possibly then some

Posted by: divi3 | November 2, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know of any teams in the NBA that are gonna take an expiring contract for 9 mil on Kirk Hinrich."

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 2, 2010 11:00 PM

Nonsense. Teams would trade for you if they thought it would give them $9 mill in cap relief.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 2, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

They coughed up a double-digit lead, clawed back, and needed overtime to beat another winless team. A win is a win and there some good things, but it's not exactly a season changing event.

Wall is impressive. He even talks a mile a minute. Looking at what he can do, the Wiz could be in a very nice position in a couple of years, with ton of cap space and a young PG that significant players will want to play with because he actively looks to mke teammates better.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 2, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich is clearly a backup because he can't score nor is he defending worth a damn (which is supposed to be his forte). He got torched again by Lou Williams.
Posted by: NewManagement

Um, everyone got torched by Lou Williams. Hinrich, Young, Wall, Martin...To be fair to all of them, part of it was because the Wizards bigs did a bad job of showing on the pick and roll, or if they did show, they never recovered.

Kirk is basically irrelevant on the floor. Doesnt make mistakes, but also doesnt accomplish anything.
Posted by: divi3

To be fair to KH, he had 9 assists. 9. That's at least accomplishing something. He did also nearly have a very sneaky steal that could have gotten the Wiz the win in regulation.

That being said, when Nick Young is having a hot night, you have to ride him and live with the mistakes if they happen. Wall was getting a little wild with his dribble and that might have affected Flip's thinking, but Hinrich was struggling with the Philly guards too. I don't know if Nick was the 'best' defender on the floor, but I will say that on the last inbound play for Philly (right before Cartier hit that ridiculous trey), Nick Young was playing solid D on Lou, and Lou very clearly pushed off, right in front of the ref, in order to create the space for the inbounds pass. They'll never call that in an NBA game, and certainly not for the Wiz, but it was an obvious offensive foul.

Cartier's trey was ridiculous. But by far the most ridiculous play of the night to me, one that won't really show up in the box score, except as a foul, was Wall's block/foul on Iguodala to prevent the dunk late in the game. Hiiiiiigh riser! Iggy went 1-2 from the line and it helped the Wizards win the game. It was definitely a foul, but it was still a sick play!

Solid night for AB. Tough shooting night, but it was great that he attacked the rim and got to the line a lot. However, he needs to be a bit stronger with the ball. Plus, the Sixers tried to cover him late with Iguodala. They have to be able to punish a team for trying that. They did try to go to him late, but not enough. And when they did he turned the ball over a couple of times in a row.

Somehow I felt that he knew that when McGee was taken out Philly scored to easily.
LarryInClintonMD.

Psychic Friends' Network?

Much more interesting to me was the close-up of Wall walking down the court before the last Wizards possession of OT. I went over it a few times (got to love DVRs) and to me it looked like he was saying "C'mon give me the f'ing ball" and he looked like he was pissed. Which confused me, until they ran that last play for AB. The kid's a competitor, and after the game he had, I can totally understand him wanting the ball in his hands to end it. Good thing it worked out, I guess.....then again, given my lip-reading skills, he might just as easily have been saying "Remember to pick up milk tonight on the way home."

Posted by: ts35 | November 3, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Hinrich (-14) had the lowest +/- of any player in the game not named Evan Turner (-15). He's the ideal back up PG at this point and should really help when Arenas gets back in the lineup to make sure Flip doesn't wear Wall out. It would be insane for Flip to play him over Thornton or Martin at small forward when Arenas is healthy.
Posted by: ArmChairQB

I'm not a big fan of +/- because it's affected by factors that have nothing to do with how an individual player is playing. For example, McGee was -7, Yi ws +10. Should Yi start at C?

That being said, if Thornton is going to continue to play the way he is playing, I see no good reason for the 3-guard lineup.

Posted by: ts35 | November 3, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Cool to see scary talent Thorton dialed in...wish every year could be a contract year. He is seriously throwing down on folks right now and is an unexpected bonus. Needed it with Booker and Saureman on the slow road.

Will the real Nick Young please stand up. Can't imagine what a nightmare it is to coach this guy.

And for LarryInClinton....contrary to your many posts John Wall is quite clearly capable of being a major star in this league without any assistance from Gilbert. Certainly a healthy GA can help this team but Wall does not need Gil to show him the way...this kid not only quickly found the door but then immediately kicked it in.

Philly was lucky JW is nursing that ankle or he would have flashed a little speed...sheesh!...nobody is going to be able to stay in front of this guy.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | November 3, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

But with Gilbert, especially if Gilbert can come back and be a true leader on this team John Wall will be greater than imagined.

Let me see if I can break this down for you. What if Larry Bird had to play 5 or 6 years with the Clippers, or had Majic had not come into the League with the Lakers, or had Timme', Mr. Duncan had not have had David Robinson?

They all still might have become a star, but nothing like what they did become, because they had quality stars to play with.

Gilbert Arenas is the closest thing resembling a substantial NBA star that the Wizards have. If Arenas can come through and seal the deal, John Wall will be unstoppable and the Wizards will be whipping good teams sooner than you think.

Thats what I am talking about. I am talking about not only John Wall being good but Gilbert being every bit as good as he was before.

Can you feel me now?

LarryInClintonMD.

Course now if you are not a Gilbert fan like myself then this will not make any sense to you.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 3, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Seems a stretch that Wall can be that much greater than imagined...he tied the all time franchise record for steals in his very first home game. That is significantly greater than anything I had imagined for him at this early stage.

I am extremely empathetic to Gilbert, he had a very tough childhood, and clearly has judgment issues...that said I am a basketball fan and this guy has not played much in what? 3/4 years? I don't care what his stats were from last year, he never looked right to me. Now it is another year, early as it is, and Gil has more troubles.

I think it may actually be more important to you for Gilbert to play here than Gilbert himself.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | November 3, 2010 1:47 AM | Report abuse

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