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Open thread: Wizards (1-2) at Knicks (2-2)

By Michael Lee

Gilbert Arenas will make his season debut on Friday night at Madison Square Garden, but he will be coming off the bench. Arenas has not played a regular season game since Jan. 5, but No. 1 overall pick John Wall said he is eager to welcome back the three-time all-star. "He's going to help us out a lot," Wall said. "Another person that can knock down shots. Another person that can push the ball and handle the ball when me and Kirk need a break and all that." Chat about the game in the comments below, or join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 7:30 p.m.; TV: CSN-Plus; Radio: 106.7 FM.


By Michael Lee  | November 5, 2010; 7:24 PM ET
 
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Comments

argh...I can't find the gsme. Wtf is CSN plus?

Posted by: oddjob1 | November 5, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

BLATCHE IS EN FUEGO!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 5, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

oh, its on channel one.

Posted by: oddjob1 | November 5, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know how to find the game?

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 5, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Thats why Gil has to start. Dont tell me he cant start with the way he looks out there. Kirk has 2 wide open 3's to cut the lead to 5 or even 2 going into the half and he misses both badly. You have to make atleast 1. Also you can see how Wall struggles sometimes in the halfcourt with his lack of J and being a rookie. He needs that other scorer out there to make it much easier for him. Hopefully Wall can turn it on in the 2nd half like he’s done in every other game

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 5, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich is just flat-out awful.

Posted by: artiesliver | November 5, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Also, NY hit a million 3's last night but for some reason Flip comes out with a game plan of us going under the screen. Has anyone noticed this? We went under every screen in that 1st half and gave up the 3 to a red hot shooting team. Chase them off that line & lets see if they can score in other ways, atleast until they cool down some

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 5, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich has def. not looked like the guy who used to hurt us in Chicago.

...so far this regular season that it.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 5, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Flip:

Wall, Arenas, Young, Blatche and McGee in the second half. Rest Hinrich...for the rest of the game.

Posted by: artiesliver | November 5, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else notice that Yi keeps screwing up the picks? Gil has the ball and he calls Yi over to set a screen. He wants Yi to set the screen so Gil can drive right. Flip even said thats how he wants 90% of his screens to go but Yi comes to the opposite side every single time to make Gil go to his left which is much easier to defend. Gil calls him over with a mindset to attack but Yi makes him go left and then Gil is just looking to pass. Tell this fool to set it on the other side like everyone else. Nobody wants to go to there off hand every single time

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 5, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Flow out of sync with Gilby in the game. He's got no quickness, no hops, and looks like he's walking in quicksand. Onetime he was chasing his opponent, he looked like an old man chasing a toddler in a playground. Yikes!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Everyone's talking about how much hinrich sucks but the true horrible player on this team is Hilton Armstrong. Dude is a bum and should be in the D-league. He's frail, lacks confidence, and can' shoot or layup. He occasionally plays defense but I think this team should let him go. Armstrong will never be anything in this league.

WHERE THE "F" IS MCGEE

Posted by: masonkyle | November 5, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

As I sit here and watch YALL'S BOY KH get his pocket picked and miss open looks, I'm starting to see the white version of NY!. Gil seems to be more pass 1st when he needs to take more shots. Our presence in the low post sucks! Memo to Flip- How long you gonna stick with KH?

Posted by: zack5 | November 5, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

HEY DC_MAN88 wanna talk about how bad he is now? Hes the reason where in this game...

Posted by: masonkyle | November 5, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

@DC_MAN88- SEE GILBY (I think thats what you call him) RUN, SCORE & KEEP us in the game! Don't feel bad about eating crow, not that bad after ther feet go down!

Posted by: zack5 | November 5, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse


Flip is determined to play his b!tch Hinrich no matter how poorly he plays or what the score is. I am disgusted with Flip's coaching tonight.

Posted by: gimmedat | November 5, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Its so sad all these great dishes Wall & espically Gil has had in the lane to our bigs and they havent finished a single one yet. Dray, Yi, and HA have been espically horrible at it, either missing or getting blocked. Worst finishing bigs in the leauge

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 5, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, Gilbert looks like he's on a different level than the rest of the team. I want to see him take over because I just can't see the rest of the team hitting the shots they need to hit.

Posted by: crs-one | November 5, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I have no problems with hinrich. He should be out there because he has the best fundamentals but he needs great play around him to keep the attention and the pressure off of him

Posted by: crs-one | November 5, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Do they run any plays or everyone just shoot it when they get it. They are not a team. They don't play defense. They strike fear into no one. Whoever paid hard earned money for season tickets were robbed.I feel sorry for Flip and Wall.

Posted by: gregandcass | November 5, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Man, I know this garbage time, but the 2nd unit cannot make one single clean pass, none!

They should have the slogan: join Wizards 2nd unit, every pass is an adventure!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 5, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The Bad- Flip still isnt running many post plays. Dray was hot and we didnt run one single play for him in the post. What happend to that baseline pick & post play we use to run for Dray at the end of last season so much? We never do that now. Wall needs to work on that J. "Sometimes" he hurts us in the halfcourt because they sag off him & leave him open. We swing it to him for the wide open shot but he cant shoot so he either misses or hesitates & does something else and it screws up the whole posession. He has to start making those shots atleast half the time.

The Good- Gil looked way better than I thought he would. Im always cautious because alot of times you look great in game 1 because of the adrenaline but then reality sets in and you struggle the next few games until you get your timing back. However, Im very confident because he was dead tired halfway through the 4th & Dray is also getting tired & looking hurt in every single game. We get those 2 in better shape & get a slashing finisher like Howard who brings toughness and we will be extremely tough to deal with by mid season

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 5, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse


Well, Hinrich doesn't have great players around him so Flip needs to give some of those minutes to players who are more dynamic, like Young, Martin, Hudson. Our starting shooting guard (Hinb!tch) is probably averaging about 8 points per game. Even stupid Flip has to know that.

Posted by: gimmedat | November 5, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"HEY DC_MAN88 wanna talk about how bad he is now? Hes the reason where in this game...

Posted by: masonkyle | November 5, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

@DC_MAN88- SEE GILBY (I think thats what you call him) RUN, SCORE & KEEP us in the game! Don't feel bad about eating crow, not that bad after ther feet go down!

Posted by: zack5 | November 5, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse "

I guess you be eatin' crow.

Blowout by 19 pts where Gilby and his boy Nick both have -13.

Team looked totally out of sync. Busy shooting long J's, weak layups, and zone defense. Les BouleS were less physical than the Knicks.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Their post players do not know what to do when they receive the ball down low. They hesitated, and resulted in TOs.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 5, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Kirk Hinrich shoulda been wearin a Knick uni tonight. What a stiff. Wiz have found their new DeStink Stevenson. And Ernie G has his latest Bargain Basement Bust.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | November 5, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Always interesting to read the in-game comments -- it's as if people are watching different basketball games. But of course, they are... rooting for one player and against another always colors the experience.

Main thing is that NY is hitting those 3 point shots. When they do that, they're pretty tough to beat. 12 of 29 tonight -- that's pretty spectacular.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 5, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

"Kirk Hinrich shoulda been wearin a Knick uni tonight. What a stiff. Wiz have found their new DeStink Stevenson. And Ernie G has his latest Bargain Basement Bust.Posted by: skins_fan_22"

We may not be smart, but we're sure opinionated.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 5, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I really hope this team settles in and plays ball because from what I see now, this will be a very long disappointing season. Not many players on this team worth paying to see but at least there is one bright spot "Gilbert"! Flip needs to find some fundementals and scoring on that bench be if we were to get up by 30 (in fantasy land), no way this bench can hold a lead.

@MAN_88. I'm convinced you're no fan of this team, must have some nagging chick that give you no authority at home so you vent through hate on this blog. And she probably looks like "Gilby" so you feel like a man when you hate on this team. I don't feel like this team has much but I am a TRUE Wizards fan, unlike your Tony Kornball bit'n butt!

Posted by: zack5 | November 5, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

"@MAN_88. I'm convinced you're no fan of this team, must have some nagging chick that give you no authority at home so you vent through hate on this blog. And she probably looks like "Gilby" so you feel like a man when you hate on this team. I don't feel like this team has much but I am a TRUE Wizards fan, unlike your Tony Kornball bit'n butt!

Posted by: zack5 | November 5, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse "

Eat crow b!tch.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Gil Finishing At The Rim

Gil looked great tonight. Better than most expected. Its the best Ive seen him move in awhile. Obviously he doesnt have that killer 1st step anymore and sadly his lift hasnt returned at the rim but I do see one positive. When he goes left he's most likely not going to be able to finish. All he can do is jump into the defender & pray for a call but he's not getting it anymore because he doesnt get up high enough. The thing that upsets me a little about this is that I think he could still finish some going that way if he used his left hand. Its upsetting because Gil has a good left but he hardly ever uses it. Alot of guys in the NBA are like that.

Thats why I liked Livingston because he always finishes with the left on that side of the rim. Youre either going to make it every time or get fouled because they have to come across your body to block it. Speaking of Shaun, I really like Kirk alot but I have always said that Id much rather have Shaun for this team. If your going to play alot of 2 small guards in Gil & Wall then it would be great to have that 3rd guard be 6'7 like Shaun instead of another small guard in Kirk. That way when Shaun is in the game he can guard the 2 and there is no mismatch. He could also help the boards alot more. However, if Kirk shoots well then he may be the better option since he has the 3pt range that Shaun doesnt. Kirk by the numbers though has never been as good as a shooter as many thinks he is. He ususally has bad shooting numbers and thats without being a defensive focus for other teams like Gil always is.

Back to Gil. What Gil has lost with injuries he can somewhat makeup for it with strength & just being a vet that knows how to use his body. MJ lost his leaping ability with age but he still did alot of things by just knowing how to position his body. Gil sucks at the rim going left but if he goes right then he's atleast 50/50. Thats why its best for the screen guy to set it so Gil can go right. He's actually at his best right down the middle because he knows how to bring his forearms across your chest where he always draws the foul & can still go up to score like he did again tonight for that and 1

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 5, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Dray was hot and we didnt run one single play for him in the post.
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Blatche never struck me as a strong post player

Posted by: crs-one | November 5, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

At 28, Gilby should be at his prime right now. Look at Kobe...he's been in the league since right after HS and is about 4 years older than Gilby and is still in his prime, with 5 rings. Again, too bad for Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"Blatche never struck me as a strong post player

Posted by: crs-one | November 5, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse "

AB is clearly the best post player on the team, by a mile. AB's got a lot of quick moves around the basket, and can be slick like Kevin McHale, but he's not a physical low post player. It's too bad the team doesn't have a big man coach to help teach the bigs some skills.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I posted a mistake earlier. Gilby had -13 while NY had -18. JWow, who was clearly out of his game, possibly b/c of Gilby's return, was -16...clearly not a way to have your first game at MSG.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301105018

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I think it is too early to determine whether Gil has lost his lift or not. I mean he has basically been inactive for over two weeks. All things considered it was an impressive performsnce after such a long layoff. He still may be one of the top tier players in the league becuase of the variety of ways and ease in which he can score. Yi and Armstrong were terrible in finishing plays.

Hinrich was ineffective and as has been stated ad nauseum he is a major reserve and situational player (not a starter). Wall has got to cut down on his turnovers and play smarter in the half court sets. A big part of Wall's and Hinrich's isuues is the expaectations has put on these guys.

Posted by: NewManagement | November 5, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

This team is not going to very good early on. However, they have lots of weapons in wall, gil, blatche and Maghee. Once they learn how to play together they're going to to a team to be reconed with.

Posted by: browneri | November 6, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

"I think it is too early to determine whether Gil has lost his lift or not. I mean he has basically been inactive for over two weeks. All things considered it was an impressive performsnce after such a long layoff. He still may be one of the top tier players in the league becuase of the variety of ways and ease in which he can score. Yi and Armstrong were terrible in finishing plays.

Posted by: NewManagement | November 5, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse "

Get real. Gilby's been working with Tim Grover for the past two offseasons. Do you see baby fat on his cheeks? He's in good shape, but he's clearly slower, no hops, and is a bit bulky. It's really a stretch if you think Gilby can still one of the top players in the league. All his scoring basically came from long uncontested J's tonight, most in the 4th quarter (14) when the Knicks were at least 10 pts. up.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I disagree. He's lost alot of lift but that doesnt mean he cant score and it also doesnt mean he cant score inside. He will certainly be a top player again. Its just like young MJ in the first 3 titles vs older MJ in the last 3 titles. Gil can still be an elite scorer without that and he's a very very very underrated passer.

What he's lost as a scorer will be offset by the fact he's playing off the ball and playing with Wall. That will give him alot of easier looks

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 6, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

"All his scoring basically came from long uncontested J's tonight, most in the 4th quarter (14) when the Knicks were at least 10 pts. up.Posted by: DC_MAN88"

That's exactly what he should be doing. The Wiz need somebody who can sink those.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 6, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse


It's highly unlikely that Arenas will ever regain his previous form. That cat-quick first step he used to have is gone forever, imho. That doesn't mean he can't still be an effective scorer though. If he'd had even a little bit of cooperation from the rest of the team tonight in the fourth, the Wizards could have made a game out of it.

On a different note, it really does look like Grunfeld acquired Hinrich about two years too late. I guess it makes sense since the Bulls gave the Wizards money to take him off their hands. I see little value in playing him over 20 minutes per game.

Yi and Armstrong are busts.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 6, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

"I disagree. He's lost alot of lift but that doesnt mean he cant score and it also doesnt mean he cant score inside. He will certainly be a top player again. Its just like young MJ in the first 3 titles vs older MJ in the last 3 titles. Gil can still be an elite scorer without that and he's a very very very underrated passer.

What he's lost as a scorer will be offset by the fact he's playing off the ball and playing with Wall. That will give him alot of easier looks

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 6, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse "

LOL! Keep dreaming.

Score inside? What, like a post player? Gilby never had post skills, so suddenly a 6-4 guard with a gimpy knee is going to become Adrian Dantley?

Also, comparing what MJ did to what you think Gilby can do is silly at best. MJ still had his hops when he came back and never had knee/leg issues when he was in his prime. Also, MJ was a much more physical player with huge hands and was still in his prime.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

"That's exactly what he should be doing. The Wiz need somebody who can sink those.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 6, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse "

What, to make blowouts like tonight only by 21 instead of 31?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

"AB is clearly the best post player on the team, by a mile. AB's got a lot of quick moves around the basket, and can be slick like Kevin McHale, but he's not a physical low post player. It's too bad the team doesn't have a big man coach to help teach the bigs some skills."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2010 11:11 PM

Except, as you just noted, Blatche does have skill (although not as much/many as you give him credit for). What he lacks is toughness, physicality, and heart. Can't teach those.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 6, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

"It's highly unlikely that Arenas will ever regain his previous form. That cat-quick first step he used to have is gone forever, imho. That doesn't mean he can't still be an effective scorer though. If he'd had even a little bit of cooperation from the rest of the team tonight in the fourth, the Wizards could have made a game out of it.

On a different note, it really does look like Grunfeld acquired Hinrich about two years too late. I guess it makes sense since the Bulls gave the Wizards money to take him off their hands. I see little value in playing him over 20 minutes per game.

Yi and Armstrong are busts.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 6, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse "

If Gilby wants to be of value to this team, he needs to defer to JWow and let him run the team and play his game. Gilby's role should be no more than a set shooter. When Gilby tries to pay set up man, it's totally not natural, but very staged. Totally, not fluid, as people are standing around watching and waiting.

Who would have thought that a rag tag Knicks team would look so much more motivated and have a better record than Les BouleS, a team with many carryovers from the past several years via EG's wonderful draft picks and trades.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

"

Anybody else notice that Yi keeps screwing up the picks? Gil has the ball and he calls Yi over to set a screen. He wants Yi to set the screen so Gil can drive right. Flip even said thats how he wants 90% of his screens to go but Yi comes to the opposite side every single time to make Gil go to his left which is much easier to defend. Gil calls him over with a mindset to attack but Yi makes him go left and then Gil is just looking to pass. Tell this fool to set it on the other side like everyone else. Nobody wants to go to there off hand every single time"

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 5, 2010 9:28 PM

It's not just Yi. None of the Wizards' bigs can set a pick worth a dam. They just find different ways to screw it up.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 6, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

"Anybody else notice that Yi keeps screwing up the picks? Gil has the ball and he calls Yi over to set a screen. He wants Yi to set the screen so Gil can drive right. Flip even said thats how he wants 90% of his screens to go but Yi comes to the opposite side every single time to make Gil go to his left which is much easier to defend. Gil calls him over with a mindset to attack but Yi makes him go left and then Gil is just looking to pass. Tell this fool to set it on the other side like everyone else. Nobody wants to go to there off hand every single time"

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 5, 2010 9:28 PM

It's not just Yi. None of the Wizards' bigs can set a pick for crap. They just find different ways to screw it up.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 6, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

If you look at the box score, the Knicks had 10 more assists, 5 more steals, and 9 more blocks, which means they played more like a team, hustled, and were aggressive defensively....traits which were lacking tonight for Les BouleS.

When Gilby was in the game, Flip Flop employed a zone defense, probably so that Gilby wouldn't have to chase his man around. Les BouleS probably got outcoached too.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301105018

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

was at the game tonight at MSG ... wiz kids look bad, clueless and selfish ... no passion ... john wall looked like a rookie ... hinrich, looked awful ... blatche needs more conditioning ...

our defense sucks ...

plus was Gilbert, he's so clutch and was diving for balls ...


Posted by: BulletsForEva | November 6, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

nick young has got be the dumbest player in the league ... no court awareness, just dumb and one-dimensional

Posted by: BulletsForEva | November 6, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

"Except, as you just noted, Blatche does have skill (although not as much/many as you give him credit for). What he lacks is toughness, physicality, and heart. Can't teach those.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 6, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse "

I disagree to a certain extent. Although AB has quickness and skill, what he lacks is quick hops and a better than average vertical. He walks/runs like he has duck feet, and I think he has small hands which requires him to dunk with both hands. Therefore, as much as he may try to be tough or physical, he's just not athletically gifted so it's tough for him to overcome a physical defender.

With regard to heart, he's not the man right now like he was at the end of last season. He's overshadowed by others, so he's more likely to coast than to step up. Given that, he needs the PG to get him the ball. He's not a dirty work kind of guy, nor does he do well getting his own shot off a rebound.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

The big difference in this game and most Wiz games is coaching.
Knicks move the balloon offense. Physical in yo face defense.
Wiz with "twitch" at the helm, walk the ball on offense, leading to lost time and panic at the shot clock. Too much one on one.
Defensively JM should never leave the post. Keep switching to keep him near the lane. Double the ball elsewhere and aggressive on the perimeter. No more jump outa by bigs.
Still have not seen Yi, AB, Jm front line. Why not Twitch? Let the other team try matchup?
Kh is a backup point guard at best. Not a 2, definitely not a 3.

Posted by: mricklen | November 6, 2010 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what the record is for turnovers through the first 4 games of an NBA career? I have to continue to listen to the "incredible" assist numbers He puts up, so give me the other side as well please.

Posted by: jwing14 | November 6, 2010 2:46 AM | Report abuse

"I disagree to a certain extent. Although AB has quickness and skill, what he lacks is quick hops and a better than average vertical. He walks/runs like he has duck feet, and I think he has small hands which requires him to dunk with both hands. Therefore, as much as he may try to be tough or physical, he's just not athletically gifted so it's tough for him to overcome a physical defender."

The history of the NBA is filled with athletically gifted big men who didn't amount to much because they tried to get by on their bodies w/o skill (it's hard to miss them, they're the guys with big contracts that sit like lead stones on teams caps while they wait for them to fulfill their "potential"). Conversely, some of the most effective offensive bigs have always been guys who relied more on skill than pure athleticism. (When was the last time Tim Duncan jumped over somebody to dunk? Kevin McHale couldn't jump over his own socks.)

Blatche's problem isn't that he can't jump high enough. It's that (A) he's not really as skilled down low as people like to make him out to be (B) he's averse to contact; bang him enough and he starts to settle for jumpers. And sometimes he won't even wait for the banging. He is what he is. no amount of wishing is going to change that.


"With regard to heart, he's not the man right now like he was at the end of last season. He's overshadowed by others, so he's more likely to coast than to step up. "

That's pretty much the definition of having no heart.

"Given that, he needs the PG to get him the ball. He's not a dirty work kind of guy, nor does he do well getting his own shot off a rebound."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2010 1:13 AM

There's a huge difference between not being a "dirty work guy" and being soft floater, which is what he is.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 6, 2010 3:59 AM | Report abuse

"AB is clearly the best player on this team"

Please! AB is IN NO WAY the best player on this team. AB is an inconsistant ROLE PLAYER. He played his best games AFTER the fire sale. He should be further along. He proof that "potential" don't make you a great player. Even John Thompson thinks the the negative press he gets is warranted.

I notice when you compare Gil to other players, it's Kobe, LBJ, MJ, ect. people with players around them. That said, on this team, with the game on the line I want Gil with the ball in his hands because theres no way J Wall will be able to get to the basket in a half court set. Once Gil gets his game speed and understand what he needs to do as a player on this team,he'll be fine. J Wall is going to be a great player but he's not there yet!

Posted by: zack5 | November 6, 2010 5:33 AM | Report abuse

"@MAN_88. I'm convinced you're no fan of this team, must have some nagging chick that give you no authority at home so you vent through hate on this blog. And she probably looks like "Gilby" so you feel like a man when you hate on this team. I don't feel like this team has much but I am a TRUE Wizards fan, unlike your Tony Kornball bit'n butt!

Posted by: zack5 | November 5, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse "

Eat crow b!tch.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November

Not mean't to be personal, but if the dress fits, wear it!

Posted by: zack5 | November 6, 2010 5:40 AM | Report abuse

Not mean't to be personal, but if the dress fits, wear it!

Posted by: zack5

Sorry... I mean't shoe! lmao

Posted by: zack5 | November 6, 2010 5:43 AM | Report abuse

"What, to make blowouts like tonight only by 21 instead of 31?Posted by: DC_MAN88"

This game alone means little to either team. The Knicks won at home, which placates their fans for, oh, half an hour. The Wiz lost on the road, which I anticipate they will be doing a LOT this season (which brings up the question of why fanz seem so surprised). We know Wall is going to swing from good to bad performances for awhile, until he figures out how to play in the NBA. Going into the game, the real question was the first pairing of Arenas and Wall -- how would it go?

I thought it started sloppy and got better. Arenas can hit that long open jumper -- something he didn't do much in that 32 game stint last season. He can still get to the basket, although as others have pointed out, he's not finishing the way he once did. I didn't see anything wrong with his ball-handling. And his effort was there.

So overall, that's a positive. Something to improve on. If Gil can do that in the 4th quarter, he can do it earlier in the game, too.

As for the margin of victory, I quote Yannick Noah's advice to his son Joakim after a bad loss: "Better to lose one game by 50 points than 50 games by one point."

Posted by: Samson151 | November 6, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

IMO Felton and Stoudemire shows signs of making a real difference for the Knicks this season. Teams have to adjust their defenses and that seems to free up the team's many jump shooters, including Gallinari, who D'Antoni claims is the best 3 point shooter he's seen. Having role players like Toney Douglas and Big Tim the Russian doesn't hurt either. That's a better team than last year. No real danger to any of the stronger clubs in the East, but I'm sure the NBA is glad to see some improvement in the NY area.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 6, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

"As for the margin of victory, I quote Yannick Noah's advice to his son Joakim after a bad loss: "Better to lose one game by 50 points than 50 games by one point."

Posted by: Samson151 | November 6, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse "

And a homeless man with a partial lobotomy hanging around a metro station was saying the opposite. Same effect from either person.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"Not mean't to be personal, but if the dress fits, wear it!

Posted by: zack5 | November 6, 2010 5:40 AM | Report abuse "

Les BouleS lost...you lost. Eat the dress b!tch.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

""AB is clearly the best player on this team"

Please! AB is IN NO WAY the best player on this team. AB is an inconsistant ROLE PLAYER. He played his best games AFTER the fire sale. He should be further along. He proof that "potential" don't make you a great player. Even John Thompson thinks the the negative press he gets is warranted.

I notice when you compare Gil to other players, it's Kobe, LBJ, MJ, ect. people with players around them. That said, on this team, with the game on the line I want Gil with the ball in his hands because theres no way J Wall will be able to get to the basket in a half court set. Once Gil gets his game speed and understand what he needs to do as a player on this team,he'll be fine. J Wall is going to be a great player but he's not there yet!

Posted by: zack5 | November 6, 2010 5:33 AM | Report abuse "

Read carefully dumb@ss, I said "AB is the best post player on the team.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 6, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

What is the expectation for a back up center? Hilton Armstrong is averaging 3pts, 4rebs, and 1 blk in 14mpg. His defensive has been above avg and he doesn't take unneccessary shots.

I think some people have an unrealistic expectation of what a backup center is susposed to produce. On Fri, he had 4 pts, 7rebs, 1 blk and 0 PF, and people complained. I'll take that all day.

The problem is our starting starting C plays likes Mr. Magoo instead Mr. McGee

Posted by: DaBedroomBully | November 6, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

What is the expectation for a back up center? Hilton Armstrong is averaging 3pts, 4rebs, and 1 blk in 14mpg. His defensive has been above avg and he doesn't take unneccessary shots.

I think some people have an unrealistic expectation of what a backup center is susposed to produce. On Fri, he had 4 pts, 7rebs, 1 blk and 0 PF, and people complained. I'll take that all day.

The problem is our starting starting C plays likes Mr. Magoo instead Mr. McGee

Posted by: DaBedroomBully | November 6, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

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