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Posted at 7:26 PM ET, 11/29/2010

Open thread: Wizards (5-10) at Heat (9-8)

By Michael Lee

JaVale McGee was stretched out on the training table in the visitors' locker room at American Airlines Arena, where head athletic trainer Eric Waters was applying some ointment on his ailing lower back. McGee will play against the Miami Heat despite a huge bruise on his back stemming from his hard fall while absorbing a flagrant foul from Elton Brand last week. Coach Flip Saunders said McGee would play but come off the bench in support of Hilton Armstrong. John Wall is on the active list and took some shots before the game, but he will miss his second consecutive game with a bruised right knee. He missed four games earlier this season with a sprained left foot. Chat about the game in the comments below, or join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 8 p.m.; TV: TNT; Radio: 106.7 FM.


By Michael Lee  | November 29, 2010; 7:26 PM ET
 
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Comments

Armstrong: terrible
Booker: terrible (waste of 1st round pick)
Martin: terrible

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 29, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I knew they were struggling but I had no idea Miami was this bad at this stage of the season. They look very disinterested, not cohesive. I am certain they will gel at some point but at the present time, they are a second-tier team and the Wizards still can't even compete with them.
The Wizards may even be the main contributors to Bosh's renaissance.
But according to Flip, it's okay if they struggle right now because of the injuries. You know, this is the NBA, injuries are very uncommon and should disguise the obvious lack of strategies and game plans...

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 29, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is this game eerily similar to the Magic game? Its like we're down but we can easily get back into the game if we hit the shots that we normally make. We're getting great looks for the most part but they just werent going down early. It got better as the game went on but we can get alot better in the 2nd half.

I wouldnt be shocked if Gil & NY heat up in the 2nd half. Im also kind of surprised that Flip hasnt ran more high screen plays with Gil as the point and HA or McGee as the guys setting the screen. That way Gil can be one on one with Z or Damp. I thought we would do that all game but we havent done it once for some reason

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 29, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I would also like to see Gee be more aggressive. I love it that he's playing team ball but you can tell in both of these starts that he doesnt want to come in as a new guy & look for his shot alot. He's worried about stepping on other guys toes but the truth is that his drives help us out. Sadly though him, NY, Dray, & Gil either get blocked or fouled at the rim with no call and we arent getting those easy shots. Make some of those & hit the open J and we can steal this in the 2nd half

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 29, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I had no idea Miami was this bad at this stage of the season. They look very disinterested, not cohesive. I am certain they will gel at some point but at the present time, they are a second-tier team

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 29, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Utilityman1

The problem with the Heat are Wade and LeBron both play the same style of game.

Look at the best teams in the NBA (Bos, LA SAS)they were built the right way. A team can't win if all of the players want to control the ball and just drive to the basket.

That has been my problem with Ernie...he doesn't understand what it takes to put a winning team together.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 29, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Damn NY is sweet

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 29, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Can we please end the Heinrich experiment. He is a rally killer and just plain awful.

Posted by: amorris525 | November 29, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Be patient Wizards fans, Flip just said it's not the way you start but the way you finish. Just give him another 40 games and all will be figured out.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 29, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I really didn't realize how bad the wizards are until tonight. Miami wasn't even playing well. They looked like a team that already expected to lose. No fight or energy at all.

Posted by: lemekdivine | November 29, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

They are getting so badly embarrassed, I thought the game was on TNT.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 29, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Be patient Wizards fans, Flip just said it's not the way you start but the way you finish. Just give him another 40 games and all will be figured out.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 29, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

It's going to take Flip another 40 games to figure out what most of on here already know?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 29, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Jump shots, jump shots, jump shots. Did I say jump shots? That's exactly what I said. The Heat have no inside presence whatsoever and Flip did not even bother to have one of his players try and post up. Cannot get excited about this team until Flip is gone. And take Hinrich with him.

Posted by: spades72 | November 29, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

It's going to take Flip another 40 games to figure out what most of on here already know?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 29, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Sarcasm my friend.
And most people on here don't know much as they believe the main issue is strategy related (some of it is) and ardently argue about how the team should be playing instead of focusing on the main issue which is talent and how EG failed (yet again) to select and acquire the right players.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 29, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Kirk Hinrich reminds me of Randy Foye when he played point guard for the Wizards last year. Dribbles and dribbles without having any idea where he wants to go with the ball. Totally ineffective. Hey Flip, wake the hell up.

Posted by: spades72 | November 29, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Flip - There really not much he can do with this team but play them into the lottery again next year. We are at least one to two draft away before becoming a contender. One thing I didn't get was McGee coming off the bench. I understand that he's hurt but what difference does it make if he's still playing?

Wall - We need him. He would've chewed Miami alive. They can't handle speed. Look how NY got pass most players.

Arenas - Noticed he had the best game of the season against Orlando? Dude is hoping to get traded to Orlando and it's not a bad thing. Look I love Gil but he's not the same player he once was and he does not fit with the Wiz. I rather stink and get another high draft than to try to make the playoff knowing we're not going to get far. This would then lead us to being an average team every year. Get Vince Carter and their #one pick or # two for Arenas.

Kirk - Good lord he's gone after this season for sho!

Armstrong - leaving with kirk.

Martin - follow Armstrong behind kirk.

Blatche - This is a hard one. He's good but his jumping ability sucks! It's killing him to play defense or get the rebound.

McGee - Getting better and better.

Nick Y. - I am now a believer! NY might win 6th man of the year award.

Brooker - nice player.

INJURED PLAYERS FASHION ALERT!!!!!!

For second game straight, I will have to go with John Wall's dark blue navy suit. But Josh Howard been more consistency all season long pimping in his three piece suits.

Posted by: demonj21 | November 29, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Andray Blatche is mostly effective at the top of the key and in the paint driving to the basket. His back towards the basket is definitely not his strong suit. He had a good offensive game tonight but his defense and rebounding is lacking.

Posted by: spades72 | November 29, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I like what we've seen from Seraphin. He's obviously very raw, and between the injury keeping him out of summer league and most of the team's offseason stuff and dealing with the culture adjustment and language barriers, he probably has almost no clue what's going on out there. But the activity and physicality he brings to the floor are very encouraging. Once he gets some experience and starts to adjust to the NBA, he should be a solid contributor, and provide the Wiz with some toughness they've long needed.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 29, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

"The Heat have no inside presence whatsoever and Flip did not even bother to have one of his players try and post up."

Posted by: spades72 | November 29, 2010 10:34 PM

Just guessing here, but is it possible that might have something to do with the fac that he doesn't have any players who are particularly effective at posting up?

Just throwin' that out there.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 29, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"Kirk Hinrich reminds me of Randy Foye when he played point guard for the Wizards last year."

Great comparison, and he's here one more year per his contract. Nobody is going to trade for a bench guy making 10mil a year.

I hate playing teams where you just know in your heart that they are going to get all of the calls and the Wiz aren't. Even Buc called the refs out on that in regards to Gil. It's always been that way and always will. Stern and his blind eye....

That's not why the Heat won, but as others said the Heat do look really bad. If you're going to "unleash" one player on the Heat it really should be D.Wade and let the other players feed off of him.

Egos will never let that happen.

Juwan Howard is a punk, always has been and always will be. Somebody tell him to go smoke some pot with his buddy Chris Webber. Glad he got ejected.

"He had a good offensive game tonight but his defense and rebounding is lacking."

Blatche's effort is horrible and always will be. He should have dominated tonight but because he is a "street baller" he's never going to help this team. He gets points because he always throws the ball up...from anywhere. They should trade that guy while they can.

But please fire EG first.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 29, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Just guessing here, but is it possible that might have something to do with the fac that he doesn't have any players who are particularly effective at posting up?

Just throwin' that out there.

Apparently Flip Saunders disagrees with you.

Dray’s the low post scorer. As a four, he’s about as good a low post scorer as there is … you know, if you look at fours around the league,” said Saunders when asked about his team’s overall low post situation. “We just got to get his big butt down there more often more often, and not having to keep poppin’ out there all the time. Because that’s were he’s most effective, is down there on the block.”

Posted by: divi3 | November 29, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

the Refs really stiffled the wizards making a run by swallowing the whistle on alot of plays, but blowing it for even breathing on LeBron or Wade. I bet LeBron won't get all those calls when he heads back to Cleveland. watch Miami will probably get blown out.

Posted by: lemekdivine | November 30, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm happy that at least ten of the Wizards got significant playing time. That experience is going to pay off later.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | November 30, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Coaching, coaching, coaching...
Twitch is just not the coach for a young inexperienced team.
Jmc could be an outstanding low post player. First there has to be plays run for him, rather than one on one jumpers from the key by everyone else.
I am most concerned that Jmc will not be here, when the light goes on, or when he finally gets the coaching that is essential to become the player.
I have said all along that KH is at best a good backup point man, nothing more nothing less.
GA is just a shell of his brightest self, and it will take patience with him.
What chance do the Wiz have against better coached, superior talented teams, walking the ball up? Why are they not pushing the ball taking advantage of supposed athleticism?
When was the last time a real pick was set by a Wiz? We lead the league in phantom picks. Coaching anyone?
AB totally slows down any semblance of an offense. He needs to speed up every one of his actions, especially his lift.
Not many teams would be competitive, including the Lakers and Celts, with 4 of their rotation players out for extended time. We have JH, JW, Yi, AT and one of the replacements was just cut in early season by the Spurs.
Unfortunately that player is one of the most talented on the team, Gee.
All very sad!

Posted by: mricklen | November 30, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Apparently Flip Saunders disagrees with you.

"Dray’s the low post scorer. As a four, he’s about as good a low post scorer as there is … you know, if you look at fours around the league,” said Saunders when asked about his team’s overall low post situation. “We just got to get his big butt down there more often more often, and not having to keep poppin’ out there all the time. Because that’s were he’s most effective, is down there on the block.”

Posted by: divi3 | November 29, 2010 11:35 PM

And yet Blatche continues to float up soft jumpers. So if you take Flip's statement at face value then there are two possible conclusions to be reached:

(A) Saunders think Blatche is a great low post player yet steadfastly refuses to call low post plays for him, preferring for him to float up soft jumpers

OR

(B) Saunders calls low post plays for him but Blatche keeps floating to the perimeter anyway, preferring to avoid contact and float up soft jumpers

That's assuming, of course, you take Flip's comment at face value. Which, we all know, you only pretend to do when it furthers whatever argument you're making at the time by (A) helping make Saunders look bad or (B) helping make one of your pet players look good. Because your lack of faith in Flip's opinions as coach are pretty well documented.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

(A) helping make Saunders look bad

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 30, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Flip doesn't need any help in that department

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 30, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm happy that at least ten of the Wizards got significant playing time. That experience is going to pay off later.

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You must be a real fan to make such a stupid statement. You really think that because the Bullets played 10 players is going to pay off later? Half those players are bush leaguers to include Martin, Gee, Armstrong, etc. Let me bring you back to reality. The Bullets will continue to suck for the next 30 years, just like the last 30.

Posted by: jwing14 | November 30, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

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