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Posted at 10:18 AM ET, 11/22/2010

Alonzo Gee rejoins Wizards, Lester Hudson waived [UPDATED]

By Michael Lee

The Wizards have completed a somewhat startling reunion, as the team has brought back swingman Alonzo Gee, according to multiple league sources. In order to make the move possible, the Wizards waived reserve point guard Lester Hudson.


Ready for another Gee thing? (AP Photo)

Gee spent part of last season with the Wizards, moving from a 10-day contract player to a starter, before making a surprising decision to bolt for San Antonio after his second 10-day contract expired. Gee averaged 7.4 points and 3 rebounds in 11 games and was well-liked by teammates and members of the coaching staff. Coach Flip Saunders was optimistic that Gee would stick around for the rest of the season after he scored a career-high 19 points in a game against Charlotte.

Gee decided to sign with the Spurs, who were familiar with the 6-foot-6 forward because Gee had spent most the year with San Antonio's Developmental League affiliate, the Austin Toros. The Wizards offered Gee an opportunity to stay for the rest of last season, but the Spurs won him over with the promise of some guaranteed money through this season. He was with the Spurs during the playoffs and participated in summer league.

San Antonio waived Gee last week, making him a free agent after he scored a total of two points in five games. The Wizards always remained high on Gee, who provides energy, hustle and intensity. He had 13 points and 10 rebounds in a game against Denver last March. Gee also is just 23 and fits with the team's rebuilding-with-youth efforts.

The Wizards had 15 players under contract, which means they would have to release someone. Hudson was on a non-guaranteed contract and struggled in his rare time on the court this season, going 0-for-9 from the field with two points and six assists in five games.

Gee received a non-guaranteed deal with the Wizards, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. The team would have until early January to determine whether or not to keep him for the rest of the season. The source added that Gee's signing is not related to the health of Josh Howard, who has yet to play this season while recovering from left knee surgery. Howard is still on schedule to come back some time in December.

By Michael Lee  | November 22, 2010; 10:18 AM ET
 
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Great. This ends that 3 guard lineup crap I was talking about. Al better step up now. On a side note, I said last year that Gee was an idiot. He probably listened to his agent. No way he shouldve left us for SA and a guaranteed contract the following season. He's a D-Leaguer who wants to play. He couldve played big minutes in alot of games for us down the stretch. Sure we sucked and werent going to make the playoffs. We also werent going to gurantee him a contract but he shouldve known that he wouldve went to SA and not even dress for 1 single game. He shouldve known that with our roster he wouldve gotten a contract this year even if we didnt gurantee it. If he wouldve stayed & played well then we might not even had signed Howard and it couldve been his show.

Dont get me wrong, I still love Howard and he is the guy if healthy but Im just speaking from a Gee standpoint. Good move anyways as Hudson doesnt look ready for the pros at all and Al is struggling as of late. We also need that toughness and both him & McGee will be crazy with Wall pushing the rock

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 22, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse


Lester Hudson's sphincter just tightened considerably and Cartier Martin's probably not feeling too comfortable right now either.

Posted by: ahwyatt | November 22, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

+1 dlts's post.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | November 22, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I GUESS YOU WOULD TAKE YOUR WIFE BACK AFTER SHE SCREWED YOUR BEST FRIEND,GEE WASN'T NOTHING WHEN HE WAS HERE AND HE AIN'T NOTHING NOW. DO YOU THINK FOR ONE MINUTE SA WOULD HAVE LET HIM GO[THINK].

Posted by: maejude | November 22, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I am all for shoring up your team with the best players possible. But I have mixed feelings with the way Saunders rotates his players.

In any event it should be better having a better performer in the mix. That being said, we can't have Gill come off the bench for that will already put any hope of a good rotation behind the power curve.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 22, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Great. This ends that 3 guard lineup crap I was talking about. Al better step up now. On a side note, I said last year that Gee was an idiot. He probably listened to his agent. No way he shouldve left us for SA and a guaranteed contract the following season. He's a D-Leaguer who wants to play. He couldve played big minutes in alot of games for us down the stretch. Sure we sucked and werent going to make the playoffs. We also werent going to gurantee him a contract but he shouldve known that he wouldve went to SA and not even dress for 1 single game. He shouldve known that with our roster he wouldve gotten a contract this year even if we didnt gurantee it. If he wouldve stayed & played well then we might not even had signed Howard and it couldve been his show.

Dont get me wrong, I still love Howard and he is the guy if healthy but Im just speaking from a Gee standpoint. Good move anyways as Hudson doesnt look ready for the pros at all and Al is struggling as of late. We also need that toughness and both him & McGee will be crazy with Wall pushing the rock
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Posted by: dlts2041 | November 22, 2010 10:29 AM

The "Alonzo Gee Show" huh?

Oooookay.

Just out of curiosity . . . how does cutting one guard and signing another signal the end of "that 3 guard lineup crap (you were) talking about"?

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 22, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: prescrunk | November 22, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Also, Gee is 6'6" and Young is 6'7". Gee is listed as a SG but is able to swing to the SF.

I am mixed about this because Young at his height and play of late can swing as well in my book.

Rotations and substitution patterns has proven to be major weakness in Flip's coaching repertoire.

The effectiveness of bringing in a player like Gee has everything to do with when he plays and for whom IMO.

Can Flip get better at one of his weakest areas, rotation of his players?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 22, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Well at least this move is in line with the whole "tougher, more physical" mantra from Ernie.
Definitely not good news for Hudson and very problematic for Cartier Martin. Gee really worked hard on the defensive end.
I miss the attitude he and Singleton brought to the court.


Posted by: bozomoeman | November 22, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again.

"If only we'd [kept/signed/drafted] [insert name of undrafted/fringe NBA player] we'd be a lot [better/tougher/stronger/whateverer]. Grunfeld should be fired for [not picking up/passing on/not keeping] [insert name of undrafted/fringe NBA player]. If Saunders doesn't start/play big minutes/give scented oil sponge baths to [insert name of undrafted/fringe NBA player] it will only serve as further proof that he's [the worst coach ever/a terrorist sympathizer/a closeted homosexual]."

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 22, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm generally in favor of brining Gee back. I liked the way he played in his short stint last year. He brings more athleticism and hopefully the same attitude as before. If it comes to it, Hudson's probably the guy who should go. He's nice to have right now as a 3rd option because Gil and KH are playing so much together, but he's not doing much on the court.

I do tend to agree with Larry though that bringing in Gee has the potential to muddy the waters of the lineup, and that that is a weakness of Flip's. Certainly for a guy like Martin, who seems to have done all they asked, stays ready, and plays hard. But also for Young, and eventually Howard. I *think* if Young continues to play the way he has, Flip will still get him minutes, including probably some at the 3 once Wall is healthy. But what of the mix of Howard, Thornton, Martin and Gee?

Howard's the vet people have been waiting to see in the lineup. Thornton's the still-young guy, who showed flashes early, plays hard, generally is a physical presence, and is in a contract year. Gee, to a much lesser degree, flashed that same sort of eye-popping athleticism as JaVale that gets people excited. And then there's Martin, who as mentioned, works, plays hard and stays ready.

How do you get a look at all of those guys? If we're looking like we're not going to make the playoffs (down the road I mean, it's still early), do they cut back Howard's time to get a look at the other guys?

I think it's a 'problem' you take on and worry about later though. Gee might turn into a good player, or maybe he's just the next Darvin Ham (athletic, end-of-the-rotation player). But Gee to me represents a talent upgrade over Hudson (if that's who they choose to cut). They should definitely be in the business of upgrading talent whenever and however they can.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Over at the Spurs blog, 48 Minutes of Hell, they are totally indifferent to Gee getting cut, and the Spurs are not carrying a full roster. Last year, he looked great next to Livingston and Boykins, but the Wizards have some athletes now. He won't look so good next to Wall. But I guess I'd take him over Hudson.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 22, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

There's no reason not to replace Hudson with Gee. But there's also no reason to think it'll actually make any difference whatsoever.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 22, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I am all for competition. Gee will provide competition for Young and Thornton

Posted by: sorman73 | November 22, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

It's a done deal!

Posted by: Doobie_Sparks | November 22, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I know there's no reason to get too excited about Gee since he's not exactly an all star. But I'm still a little stoked to see him back (low standards, I know). I hope he delivers

Posted by: crs-one | November 22, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Arenas did everything to stay infront of Hamilton, no one could stop him in overtime.KH was unable to stop his counter part because of size and speed.If we had the right size and one on one mentality,last night's game would have been ours.Piston's coach kept Hamilton on bench for over 10 minutes between the 3rd and 4th quarter, he came in fire lately and took the game away.Coach should have keept martin against Hamilton in the final 3 minutes of the regular game and in the majority of overtime.Hamilton was shooting well over Arenas, a player like Gee is an upgrade for defense.Gee might not be a good ball handler but he can play 2 for defensive purposes,So far hudson did noting.

Posted by: gtefferra | November 22, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

dlts2041 hit it on the nose.

I'm glad Gee is back, but its not gonna make that much of a difference. He is a different type of player than Young or Martin, he's more of a banger, and is a better defender and rebounder.

Posted by: tedunni1 | November 22, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Over at the Spurs blog, 48 Minutes of Hell, they are totally indifferent to Gee getting cut, and the Spurs are not carrying a full roster. Last year, he looked great next to Livingston and Boykins, but the Wizards have some athletes now. He won't look so good next to Wall. But I guess I'd take him over Hudson.

Posted by: djnnnou

The Spurs have a good young rook in Anderson who has more skills and they picked up Danny Green, who's theoretically more versed in the kind of fundamentals that the Spurs require. Those guys basically make Gee moot there. While Gee was here the things I saw that I liked were his hops, decent shooting touch, and hustle. Again, Gee may not amount to much, but I think he presents more possibility of being a player than Hudson. I also think he can be the kind of guy who can run with Wall and finish. He's worth a look. I would say that it also at least gets one monkey off of EG's back, but people will still probably complain that he let him go in the first place.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Hudson wasn't gonna get many minutes here and adding Gee filled a need at Small Forward. Wiz are stockpiling young, athletic players (Booker, Martin and Gee), which will definitely pay off for us in the long run.

Posted by: musicmanjr | November 22, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I hope signing a SF is a message from Grunfeld to Flip "your 3 guard lineup Sucks, minus 1 guard plus one SF" Although this is a temporary move until Howard and Yi get back into the lineup i think it isn't a bad move.

Posted by: jefferu | November 22, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I would say that it also at least gets one monkey off of EG's back, but people will still probably complain that he let him go in the first place. Posted by: ts35

It's just another example of a DC franchise passing on a player in his prime only to sign him on the downside of his career.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 22, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Gee is back. I can't deny that it says something that the Spurs just cut him even though they had roster spaces open. On the other hand, it says something that the Spurs front office finagled to get him back after the Wizards showed interest in him last season. I think Jefferson really worked hard over the summer, and has rejuvenated his career. So as noted above, the Spurs don't have the same needs as before.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | November 22, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I hope signing a SF is a message from Grunfeld to Flip "your 3 guard lineup Sucks, minus 1 guard plus one SF" Although this is a temporary move until Howard and Yi get back into the lineup i think it isn't a bad move.

Posted by: jefferu

No such message was sent, because they haven't been running that much 3-guard anyway, specifically the type that drives posters here nuts with Wall, Gil and then KH at the 3. With Young playing the way he has, most people here can probably live with Young getting some minutes at the 3.

Nope, I think this was strictly a move to get a player they liked before who became available again. For Gee, he goes to a team he knows has interest in him and where he can compete for some PT.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It's just another example of a DC franchise passing on a player in his prime only to sign him on the downside of his career.

Posted by: djnnnou

LOL, nice.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I dont see where he's going to get minutes, Young is playing as well as anyone on the team and CMartin generally makes the most of his opportunities. Not sure when or in what situation Gee comes in with minutes earned in front of NY/CM

Still good to sign him, Hudson was pretty bad.

Posted by: divi3 | November 22, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Arenas did everything to stay infront of Hamilton, no one could stop him in overtime.KH was unable to stop his counter part because of size and speed.If we had the right size and one on one mentality,last night's game would have been ours.Piston's coach kept Hamilton on bench for over 10 minutes between the 3rd and 4th quarter, he came in fire lately and took the game away.Coach should have keept martin against Hamilton in the final 3 minutes of the regular game and in the majority of overtime.Hamilton was shooting well over Arenas, a player like Gee is an upgrade for defense.Gee might not be a good ball handler but he can play 2 for defensive purposes,So far hudson did noting.

NY, CM, and Gee are probably all better perimeter defenders than Wall, Gil, or KH at least when it comes to the opposing SG/SF. Best chance for this team to win games is for Flip to bite the bullet and decide who he wants in a reserve role- Gil or KH. Just do it Flip!

Posted by: divi3 | November 22, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Gee's odds of cracking the rotation are very slim at best. They're basically replacing one guy who almost never played with a different guy who will almost never play.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 22, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

NY, CM, and Gee are probably all better perimeter defenders than Wall, Gil, or KH at least when it comes to the opposing SG/SF. Best chance for this team to win games is for Flip to bite the bullet and decide who he wants in a reserve role- Gil or KH. Just do it Flip!

Posted by: divi3

Don't know about that. At least in regards to what Rip was doing, it has to be more than just the one-on-one guy because Rip is so adept at using screens and getting a good shot of quickly.

Until Wall is back and healthy, no particular point in Flip choosing anything. Until Gil's wind is 100% back, both KH and Gil are going to play plenty, regardless of who the 'starter' is.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Gee will have to earn it in practice. It may suck for Martin (or whoever), but if Gee does the same things, but better, he'll crack the lineup.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Until Wall is back and healthy, no particular point in Flip choosing anything.

Isnt Wall playing Tuesday? Hate to see his timetable getting longer and longer after the initial "no big deal" injury report

Posted by: divi3 | November 22, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Until Wall is back and healthy, no particular point in Flip choosing anything.

Isnt Wall playing Tuesday? Hate to see his timetable getting longer and longer after the initial "no big deal" injury report
Posted by: divi3

All indications are that he is....but that hasn't seemed to mean a lot with the Wizards' injury reports this season. Plus, I haven't heard if they expect Wall to go back to his normal minutes right off the bat.

But beyond that, I don't think there's any chance that either Gil or KH goes into a purely 'reserve' role, both are generally going to be around 30+ minutes every game for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Time and time again, Ernest Grunfeld shows that he is at least three full steps ahead of the competition.

To wit: Ernest soberly eyeballed Gee last spring and correctly surmised that, at this stage of his career, Gee was not worth a future partially guaranteed contract. Sadly the Spurs had to pay him guaranteed money before figuring out same. Is it now clear that Ernest is a man you NEVER want to play poker with? Even if he only had a pair of 3's and he would still cause a man with a royal flush to fold!

Once again, Ernest Grunfeld gets his man at a price and time of HIS choosing, leaving the haters to simply stare in amazement as they tacitly acknowledge that "he done good"!

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | November 22, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Gee's odds of cracking the rotation are very slim at best. They're basically replacing one guy who almost never played with a different guy who will almost never play.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 22, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I agree, this is much to do about nothing. The dilemna for Flip as someone stated is who does he sit. The adjustment last night is Martin should have gotten the defensive assignment on Hamilton late in the 4th quarter and thru overtime. As efficiently as Kirk plays, the move was to sit him late in the game and rotate him with Nick and Cartier.

A win last night would have been a good win given the clear advantage playing at home has. Last night, both Miami and Boston lost on the road to inferior teams (teams we just beat).

As an unabashed Blatche supporter, at some point the lack of conditioning due to his injury is mot an out anymore. His defense on Villaneva's in the next to last possesion of regulation was pathetic. Coach also has to take some blame for the last play of the game with Blatche situated on the same side of the court with Areenas rather than a hot shooting nick young.

All in all. I think the team is ahead of my expectations especially considering the injuries and youth. Arenas is actually starting to look more nad more like his old self and playing more unselfishly and attemping to play defense.

Posted by: NewManagement | November 22, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

NY and/or AT will be trade fodder this season, so grabbing Gee is an insurance policy should there be a reduction in force at SF.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | November 22, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Gee will have to earn it in practice. It may suck for Martin (or whoever), but if Gee does the same things, but better, he'll crack the lineup."

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 2:04 PM

Well that's not exactly breaking news, is it? Point is, there's little reason to think he'll do much of anything (at least anything they need) better than the guys they already have. He may prove to be better than Martin, but that's not saying much and certainly doesn't guarantee PT. In the 9 games he's played (out of the 12 the Wiz have played), Martin's topped 9 minutes only 3 times, so it's not like he's a mainstay on the floor. And odds are, his minutes would likely have eroded anyway once Wall came back.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 22, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

NY and/or AT will be trade fodder this season, so grabbing Gee is an insurance policy should there be a reduction in force at SF.

NY is playing his way towards a qualifying offer, which makes sense for the Wiz given that KH and Gil will almost undoubtedly be gone by the end of next season.

Posted by: divi3 | November 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse


NY is playing his way towards a qualifying offer, which makes sense for the Wiz given that KH and Gil will almost undoubtedly be gone by the end of next season.

Posted by: divi3 | November 22, 2010 3:11 PM

Next time maybe you should limit yourself to four beers with your lunch. There's no way Arenas isn't on this team at the end of next season.

Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii | November 22, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Gee's odds of cracking the rotation are very slim at best. They're basically replacing one guy who almost never played with a different guy who will almost never play.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Well, the above wasn't exactly a revelatory bombshell either was it, Woodward & Bernstein?

My point was directed to divi's "I dont see where he's going to get minutes...." That's how Gee can get minutes.

Aside from that, what I remember from Gee last year, was that he was essentially similar to Martin-- solid on D, solid behind the arc -- except with much better hops and more inclination to work the baseline and attack the basket. Those things could push him past Martin, and possibly carve a couple of more minutes out.

But again, I think we're all mostly in agreement that we're debating the fringes here. Unless something dramatic happens, neither Gee nor Martin can expect to see a lot of regular minutes.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

NY is playing his way towards a qualifying offer, which makes sense for the Wiz given that KH and Gil will almost undoubtedly be gone by the end of next season.

Posted by: divi3

I think NY is working his way into the qualifying offer, but I don't think it's a done deal that either KH or Gil will be gone, let alone both. Even next year, Gil's contract is pretty hefty. Especially if the new CBA is more restrictive as expected. And bringing in KH was brought with a purpose. Unless they feel the need to shed his salary, at the moment (still early) I expect he'll play out his contract here.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

but I don't think it's a done deal that either KH or Gil will be gone, let alone both.

KH is a free agent after next season correct? So whether moving him by next season's deadline or not, he won't be here in '12 without signing a new deal which I assumed was unlikely but who knows.

By the end of next season, Gil's deal will be down to "only" $42mill....seems much more movable though who knows with the new labor deal.

Posted by: divi3 | November 22, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Gotcha, partially misread what you said. That you were saying both will be gone by next season, not the end of next season. My bad.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

And I have no idea, what 'partially misread' means. I misread it.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

And I have no idea, what 'partially misread' means. I misread it.

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

dude balled for us.... I was pissed legitimately for two weeks after they let him go. Goes to SA and they sent him back to th D league. Way to go Ernie!

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | November 22, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

As far as Gee goes, I like the move, but mainly b/c Hudson wasn't showing much and didn't play a position at which we needed anymore depth (at least for now).

As far as these folks praising Nick Young as playing most awesome ball, have you checked out his stat sheet? .3 apg; 1.7 rpg; .3 pg; .333 3pters; 10 ppg. So the guy jacks them up and if he's hot, he gets some points. If not, he gets yanked before he can do too much damage because he doesn't do much of anything else on the floor. And saying he is this teams best defender is not only not true, it doesn't mean much. When Nick learns how to play basketball and not just H-O-R-S-E, I'll be excited for him. In the meantime, he is a mediocre player on a bad team, which means he is not a very good player.

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Hard to win close games against top tier teams, when they are constantly bringing solid vets off the bench, and the Wiz only have rooks and inexperienced players to match them.
I do like the direction of the team personnel wise, and enjoy watching the progress.

Posted by: mricklen | November 22, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Calling Detroit a "top-tier" team is outright mistaken. Especially since the Pistons went into last night's game with a worse record than the Wiz.

You are supposed to win the games against the teams that have worse records. Doesn't always work out that way, but we shouldn't confuse a bad team that has a lot of experience with a top-tier team.

Detroit is plain bad and getting worse with aging vets and no real young stars to point to (Villenueva????). Last night we were worse but on the uptick with a group of good young players with at least 2 future perennial all stars (Wall & McGee).

Posted by: Blurred | November 22, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I wholeheartedly agree with LarryinClinton. Flips rotation is puzzling sometimes. Sitting a hot bench player an entire quarter and then bringing them back in cold in the last minute...i just dont get it

Posted by: ryjufox3 | November 22, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"My point was directed to divi's "I dont see where he's going to get minutes...." That's how Gee can get minutes."

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 3:21 PM

Except the question wasn't "how" he was going to get minutes, it was "where" i.e., from whom are the minutes going to come?

In order to get actual minutes in actual games, he has to impress the coaches enough that he seems like a better option than the guys playing ahead of him. The odds of that happening would seem to be slim to nearly none, even if he does beat out Martin, who is only on the fringe of the rotation and is likely to lose that toehold once Wall (and Howard) are back, Gee or no Gee.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 22, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Look, Wizards are slim at small forward position. You always have to be thinking possible injury. So it makes sense that they signed Gee for insurance. Although
I would love to see the possibility of Ji , Blatche and Javalle front line.

Posted by: bobilly1 | November 22, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Except the question wasn't "how" he was going to get minutes, it was "where" i.e., from whom are the minutes going to come?

In order to get actual minutes in actual games, he has to impress the coaches enough that he seems like a better option than the guys playing ahead of him. The odds of that happening would seem to be slim to nearly none, even if he does beat out Martin, who is only on the fringe of the rotation and is likely to lose that toehold once Wall (and Howard) are back, Gee or no Gee.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Seriously, wth are you still going on about?

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Except the question wasn't "how" he was going to get minutes, it was "where" i.e., from whom are the minutes going to come?

In order to get actual minutes in actual games, he has to impress the coaches enough that he seems like a better option than the guys playing ahead of him. The odds of that happening would seem to be slim to nearly none, even if he does beat out Martin, who is only on the fringe of the rotation and is likely to lose that toehold once Wall (and Howard) are back, Gee or no Gee.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Seriously, wth are you still going on about?

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

BLURRED, right name for a person that only see stats and judge a player worth, IF NICK HAD JACKED UP A 3 AT GAME END WE MIGHT HAVE WON,IT CALLED SHOOTING GAURD,THEY SHOOT FOOL.

Posted by: maejude | November 22, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Lets see its G to E to McGe brought to you by EG is this correct?

Posted by: fish4 | November 22, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse


"Flip has eschewed conventional thinking with Young, and reaped the benefits. Rather than trying to force a square peg in a round hole, he's giving him free reign to let if fly on offense (he has 3 assists in 226 minutes of action this season). In return, Flip is getting the defensive effort he wants out of Young and more consistent offensive outings."


http://www.bulletsforever.com/2010/11/22/1829667/keys-to-the-palace-where-the-wizards-show-their-worth-without-john

Posted by: tgif11 | November 22, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

My grandfather used to have this expression that he used when someone missed something that was as plain as the nose on Their face. He'd say, "You're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, now are you?"

Well after watching last night's game and Hamilton's display of running around screens and shooting right over shorter defenders' out stretched arms. How does a 6'6" guy who's athletic and has some serious hops carve out some playing time?

If you can't reason that one out, well it would appear that you're about 3 bricks shy of a full load...

When Gil, Hinrich and Wall are all healthy, the need for a 4th point guard seems redundent. Since Wall is about ready to return and Gil seems to be playing himself into form, it would seem that Flip's got all the points he needs.

I know Gil and Hinrich both are logging minutes at the 2, but against some taller, stronger, opponents they will have some trouble matching up. If Gee can carve out a role as a defensive specialist that can run and fill the lane, and attack the baseline, Flip's going to be able to carve out some minutes for him to run with Wall.

With Wall,McGee,Booker,Young, Martin, Thorton, Yi, and now Gee, Ernie seems to be putting together a group of players that can play pressure defense.

The ends of NBA games are often filled with timeouts that give coaches the opportunity to make defensive/offensive switches. Coaches often insert a defensive guard in at the ends of quarters to save a starter being exposed to a potential last second foul. And you can always use a guy like Gee to shadow a guy that's gotten hot and bump him around a little to knock him off his game.

I know Wiz fans aren't very used to having that type of role player around, and we've had coaches that have watched defensive/ offensive switches like they are something from outer space. But real NBA teams do have guys that make the roster as specialists.

That's how Gee can carve out minutes on this roster, guys like Darvin Ham made NBA careers out of being able to be an able role players off the bench. Now it's up to Gee to make the most of the return opportunity...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | November 22, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

BLURRED, right name for a person that only see stats and judge a player worth, IF NICK HAD JACKED UP A 3 AT GAME END WE MIGHT HAVE WON,IT CALLED SHOOTING GAURD,THEY SHOOT FOOL.

Posted by: maejude | November 22, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh...but he didn't now, did he? and we lost, so you are pretty much confirming my suspicions that nick young doesn't add much to a winning team.

As far as the second part of your comment, there are 30 SG's in the NBA that have more apg than Nick young, including DeSahwn Stephenson. Yahoo Sports has Nick listed as a GF, and there are 66 of them that have more apg than Nick, including jerry Stackhouse, Rip Hamilton and Caron butler. Further, there are 35 NBA players listed as just G that have more apg than Nick, But we don't need to include them, because they spend at least a few minutes playing PG.

So basically, Nick is the 100th worst SG or GF in the NBA in terms of assists.

Do we need to look at rebounds now? 77 SG and GF do a better job of grabbing boards, and a lot of them are shorter and have less "hops."

Steals? 71 SG and GF have more.

And even when judging him on his "best" attribute, he comes in 35th for scoring.

I submit to you that this is why he comes off the bench, and on an actually good team, he would have trouble doing even that.

Don't get me wrong, he seems to have a place on a team, it just isn't as much other than a guy who can play solid D on the other teams 2nd string SG and occasionally light up the score board. ie...a 6th man on a bad team or a benchwarmer on a good team.

Posted by: Blurred | November 22, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Young's per36 stats come to 18pts/3rebs. Doesnt get any assists, but also commits no TOs. He's shooting 49% and plays good defense, is more suited than Gil/KH to handle many of the guards we've been facing.

All of that explains why Flip has been so high on him lately, calling him the team's most consistent player (along with KH of course). And that was before the Detroit game which was another strong outing. Flip probably looks at last night's game and thinks "I should have called a few more plays for Nick and a few less for Dray."

Posted by: divi3 | November 22, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Gee its Gee. I couldn't resist that one.

Posted by: dandyhuffman | November 22, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Gee shudda stayed last year. He got bad advice.
He probbly won't make a difference in a lot of games but if he plays like he did last year he'll provide some energy and that can become contagious.
Another plus will be his play in practice--should put some pressure on NY & AT.

Posted by: samhri | November 22, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Gee's odds of cracking the rotation are very slim at best. They're basically replacing one guy who almost never played with a different guy who will almost never play.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Well, the above wasn't exactly a revelatory bombshell either was it, Woodward & Bernstein?

Posted by: ts35 | November 22, 2010 3:21 PM

That was some good counter punching you had ma man Kalo_rama on the defensive. Love it.

Posted by: spades72 | November 22, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I think we're set with the playoff roster now. With Gee Wiz back, and JWow back soon, expect NY to be traded or warming the bench again.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Divi - if Flip is still calling nick his most consistent player after friday nights game:
N. Young 21:10 1-8 0-3 5 pts, 1 rebound, 1 steal, then the whole rest of the team completely sucks or Flip is as stoned as he looks.

I thik you are quoting hm from a few games ago, when nick had a nice 3 game run. backups do that sometimes when 2 of the starters (Josh and John) are out. When they come back, the benchwarmers go back on the bench.

And don't quote "per 36" unless you want to see how that stacks up with all 50 +++++ SG/GF that are better than he is.

I did my homework to show how many guys were performing as well as him on a game by game basis. You can do yours if you want to refute it. The reason he doesn't get minutes is because he does NOTHING but score, so if he isn't stroking it, he is useless.

Besides, I was really just telling that guy who said that SG's only shoot that he was wrong and that GOOD SG's do a lot more. and that is if you want to call Young and actual SG and not a SG/SF.

OK, so he can play great D once a season and decent D on 2nd rate players for 20 minutes a game.

I'm just saying...He's OK for what he is, but he isn't going to be the guy that changes the Wiz history.

Posted by: Blurred | November 22, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

JW should be set to come off bench. Team hown to be much more competitive. It's like that old bull young bull story. JW needs to be more under control. POTENTIALLY a great player. Irratic and out of control at times. Will be great ain't great yet! We've given him the keys to the car and he hasn't earned anything yet. If y'all are looking for a savior, I suggest you go to church!

Posted by: zack5 | November 22, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

GEE..........I'm conflicted, but I knew HUDSON wasn't the answer and said so here. Good move which may not make much difference. We'll see I guess.

McGEE and YOUNG must have been paying attention to FS pointed comments. They're picking up and that;s great. No more 'dougie' crap guys, you've got a job that needs learning and doing.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 22, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

blurred you and some like you think howard is the second coming of kobe, and he only played 4 games. Before you anoint him, lets see how he jells with the others plays. Lest hope he comes back fine.

Posted by: maejude | November 22, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

NY is red hot up, or completely down. His athleticism is great. He separates and gets his shot up beautifully. He is erratic. Al Thornton has been ineffective lately. Martin is better than just a bench player, full effort and lots of ability. Makes the most of his opportunities. Hudson had a great summer league, but it has not continued in the pros. Every game it seems like someone on the other teams gets their career high!! Has been this way for years. If Gee and Martin can shut down the outside shots, then they should earn a spot. Thornton, Gil, and Kirk can't seem to get it done. There are times when we need the defensive stop, thats when the need for a taller, tougher more agile player is needed. Flip must figure out his lineup. I agree with Larry, he has problems with substitutions, I feel he is too in love with Kirk. In some situations his defensive liability overcomes is steady play overall. He plays good defense, but he can be overwhelmed by some players. He's not a Bruce Bowen (past tense) type shutdown defender. The more I think about Martin the more I notice his ability to rebound, score, defend, and pass. He may be ready to start above Thornton. If Gee does those things better, then all the better to replace Thornton as the starter.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | November 22, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Speculation - I am wondering if Josh Howard may be showing a lack of maneuverability in practice. After knee surgery that may be a problem with cutting and defending at SF. Gil is definitely less explosive, perhaps Howard is more so. Shooting is one thing, attacking the basket and defending is another. I could see him scoring points but being unable to handle other SF's. Next year will be better for him, this year he may not be able to get it done. Hopefully I am wrong, we want to see someone special on our team. I remember Bernard King scoring in bunches after surgery, but his range of motion was limited, and that was from a superstar player.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | November 22, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse


Once again, Ernest Grunfeld gets his man at a price and time of HIS choosing, leaving the haters to simply stare in amazement as they tacitly acknowledge that "he done good"!

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk

Now we're giving Ernie pats on the back for re-signing a 12th man? SMH.

Posted by: gtown85 | November 22, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

The Austin Toros should look more like the Spurs than ever

But with a new head coach, the playbook has been pared down to the basics of the Spurs system. For example, where every offensive play the Spurs run in San Antonio has a first, second, third, and sometimes a fourth, option. The Toros playbook may only include the first two options for each play. The system in Austin is enough so that if a player were to be called-up to San Antonio, he would at least have a basic grasp on the system and wouldn’t be lost.

Sure would be nice to have a local D-League team.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 22, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I think we're set with the playoff roster now.

Yeah, but just for the first round.

Might need some tinkering for the semis.

Sarcasm check.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 22, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Just going through some of the post that have been put up and I am like thinking, wow! Playoffs? In Grunfeld we trust? Let us not get ahead of ourselves. Gee will be far behind because he was not hear during the summer. He did not get to learn the other players on the team and Wall or Areans did not get to know him. As far as Grunfeld, he is doing a horrible job. We have 4 players on the team 6' 11" or taller, but we do not have a big man coach. The team hired Sam Cassell, off the bat, to coach the guards, but tells the bigs to fend for themselves but everyone gets mad when they play bad, because they don't know the game. Good organization teach young players. The best big man coach is now unemployeed and hanging out at TNT; if we are to trust in Grunfeld, he needs to hire Kevin McHale, to teach these guys foot work, positioning and post moves.

Posted by: Blackmale1967 | November 22, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"Martin is better than just a bench player, full effort and lots of ability. Makes the most of his opportunities."

Sure, he's a bench player. One of those guys who move from the D-League to the end of an NBA roster and back again.

Let's say you've got 15 or so on the roster of each of 30 teams, making 450 players who can actually claim to be in the NBA. Of those, maybe 60% get playing time. The others see action mostly as injury replacements. Alonzo Gee is one of those guys, and so is Cartier Martin. If the roster's weak enough -- as in Washington -- they can see the court more often. But on a club like San Antonio, not so much.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 22, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

The league is stacked with players who are behind on the depth chart but are considered better players. Many players are better who do not even make the team. Is Howard right now better than Martin, will he ever be again, who knows? Just because a player got into the wrong system and didnt flourish or make a name for themselves doesnt mean they dont belong. The guy playing behing Tracy McGrady became better than McGrady after the injury. Martin is solid, a good shooter a good rebounder, a strong defender, a good leaper, and doesnt quit on plays. There may be better players with more talent who dont try as hard. You are right Gee and Martin have to wait for their opportunity. But, if they answer to the bell and perform, they can be a starter. Money is another reason these guys can find playing time. A team cant pay everyone and sometimes it is salary space that is important. Either way, Martins play shows he belongs and can be trusted.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | November 23, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Being a part of "Hypersonic Weight Loss" has put me back in touch with the fun-loving, exotic woman within. It taught me how to creatively express that which only a woman can do and feel. I did this for me. My goal was to get shaped, toned and lose weight.

Posted by: sangmiller | November 23, 2010 5:42 AM | Report abuse

"The league is stacked with players who are behind on the depth chart but are considered better players. Many players are better who do not even make the team. Is Howard right now better than Martin, will he ever be again, who knows? Just because a player got into the wrong system and didnt flourish or make a name for themselves doesnt mean they dont belong. The guy playing behing Tracy McGrady became better than McGrady after the injury."Posted by: 1bmffwb

Not the first time I've heard this argument, but there's plenty of evidence to contradict it. GMs around the league have been bemoaning thin rosters ever since the last expansion. Players like Tracy McGrady hang around despite injury histories that would frighten the staff at Johns Hopkins, precisely because teams have so much difficulty coming up with an alternative. The idea of teams built around a 'Big Three' got its start because so few teams had a Big Four.

My guess is that the quality of NBA regular season play would raise significantly if the league distributed the available talent between 22-24 teams instead of 30. Then you'd be more likely to see some legit depth on the roster.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 23, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

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