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Posted at 2:18 AM ET, 11/26/2010

Wizards embarrassed again on national television

By Michael Lee

It wasn't the foot. If you are wondering why he didn't have that usual giddy-up, that extra burst that allows him to go on those don't-blink-or-you'll-miss-it, one-man fast breaks on Thursday against the Atlanta Hawks, John Wall said after the Wizards' 116-96 loss, "My foot's fine."


Sorry we had to do you like this, rook. (AP Photo)

But as he got dressed in front of his locker room stall, Wall did reveal that he was dealing with another ailment. "I got a bruise under my knee when I got tackled last game," Wall said, mentioning that he had been experiencing some soreness in his left leg since absorbing a hard foul against Philadelphia. "When it gets warm it gets better."

You could tell that Wall was trying to fight through it, as he pushed the ball up the court on a few occasions, but he didn't finish in familiar fashion. That was apparent when he drove to the basket and had his left hand layup attempt swatted by Hawks reserve Zaza Pachulia. He landed hard on the hardwood afterward and tilted his head with a look a surprise.

When the game was totally out of reach, Wall did have one of his signature left-handed jams. But Wall missed nine of 12 shots and scored a season-low 10 points with seven assists. Coach Flip Saunders said afterward, "This is by far the worst game he's played."

Saunders wasn't judging Wall simply by his offensive numbers, but also that he had just one steal and never seemed to get the Wizards into any sort of offensive flow. "He's had one practice," Saunders said, acknowledging that Wall was been out of action for more than a week with a sprained left foot, "but from his end, what you do is, you get your team in your offense instead of holding the ball in your hands too much. You can't have the ball sticking that way."

The game offered the first look into the three-guard starting lineup with Wall, Gilbert Arenas and Kirk Hinrich. Saunders was pushed in that direction with Al Thornton out with sprained left ankle, and the game against the Hawks didn't present a convincing argument about the effectiveness of that unit. "It seems like every time somebody comes back, somebody goes down, so we have to do a lot of adjusting on the fly, with no practice time," Arenas said after scoring a team-high 21 points. "But we're professionals. We're NBA players that should learn how to adapt to our environment. We just didn't give it tonight."

Nick Young is really finding a good groove, as he is averaging 17 points in his past six games. He's also showing that confident swagger. After hitting a three-pointer that barely moved the nets in pre-game warmups, Young told Alonzo Gee, "See how that just went in?"

Young has been playing consistent basketball off the bench, but Saunders prefers to keep him off the bench. Young seems to be embracing that role, because he is making sure he plays either way. "I've just been going out there and playing with confidence, knowing I have my teammates behind me, and my coaching staff behind me. I've just been trying to go out there and do whatever I can do to help my team."


I still got it going on, but it doesn't look so good when we're getting killed on TNT. (AP Photo)

Arenas and Wall combined for 15 assists and four turnovers, but Hinrich wasn't allowed to do much to set up his teammates, as he finished with just one assist. "In the three guard lineup, you should be able to beat people off the dribble and you should be able to defensively get into them and deny and we weren't able to do either one," Saunders said. "It negates the idea of playing that way."

Guard play was hardly the biggest concern for the Wizards, as the Hawks continuously attacked them inside, taking the ball at JaVale McGee and Andray Blatche. Josh Smith and Al Horford combined to finish with 35 points and 27 rebounds, with neither player seeing the floor in the fourth quarter, while McGee and Blatche combined for just 19 points and 14 rebounds. The Hawks beat the Wizards in points in the paint, 26-6, in the first half. "We've been getting destroyed, points in the paint," Saunders said.

Saunders eventually called on Kevin Seraphin, who got his most extended playing time of the season and recorded six points and five rebounds in 17 minutes. Seraphin didn't shoot the ball well, as he often fired the moment he touched the ball, no matter where he was. After he missed a foul line jumper, Saunders called him over and shouted, "You don't have to shoot every time!" Seraphin nodded.

"Kevin played good, he gave us a presence," Saunders said. "We have to find somebody who is going to give us a presence in the paint."

Seraphin is steal extremely raw, but he is physical. He tossed Pachulia to the ground in order to get an offensive rebound in the fourth quarter. "That's what I do," Seraphin said. "I'm happy because I don't play, but if I get a chance to play with this team, I'm going to play hard, defend, make a rebound, make a good screen, if I can do that for the team."

But this was not a good night for the Wizards, who didn't provide much entertainment for the Thanksgiving viewing audience. The Wizards should've known they were in trouble when Arenas missed a jumper in the first quarter and lost his shoe upon landing. While Arenas put his shoe back on, Smith was driving down the lane and dunking without anyone stepping up to contest him.

"It's a day that you're supposed to be with your family but you have to put that aside and do your job," Young said. "You're supposed to get up for games like this, but we always seem to get embarrassed on national TV."

The Wizards lost to Orlando by 29 points on TNT in the season opener, but the team had made some improvements since the last time it was in the spotlight. You couldn't tell on Thursday.

In his first extended playing time since rejoining the team, Alonzo Gee was part of a forgettable play in the fourth quarter when Arenas tossed up a lob and Gee inexplicably tried to dunk it. Gee rammed the ball right into the rim, with a miss that led to angry stares or head shaking from the Wizards' coaching staff. After the game, Gee's teammates gave him a hard time for even attempting the dunk since he was so far from the basket.

"It felt good to play because it's been a long time. I've just got to get a rhythm," Gee said. "It's going to take time and practice, you know what I'm saying."

Saunders was just glad to see the game end. "The game was so bad, we had referees handing out their phone numbers to people in the stands," Saunders said. "That's how bad the game was."

I didn't see a referee giving out his number, but at least somebody left Philips Arena with the hope of a good time.

By Michael Lee  | November 26, 2010; 2:18 AM ET
Categories:  Flip Saunders, Gilbert Arenas, JaVale McGee, John Wall, Kevin Seraphin, Kirk Hinrich, Nick Young  
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"It's still not a big reason why we played that bad," Wall said. "We have to change some things and just start playing hard. We get paid for this. This is our job, this is our dream. This is what we want to do. We got to start acting like it and taking it more serious."

"The scary part was, they wasn't even playing all that well," Arenas said. "I don't understand it. When you go against the elite, you're supposed to be ready, you're supposed to have the fire in your eye. You play against the better teams and you're just falling back and letting them punch on us."

Are Wall and Arenas talking about Blatche?

Posted by: harrybalz | November 26, 2010 2:29 AM | Report abuse

ive said it time after time..unless wall has a layup in the open court he doesnt push the ball he walks it up every play and dribbles waitin for pick and rolls..i see why they cant get any movement he dribbles the time out and everybody has to take shots when they get the ball..the ball was moving great when he wasnt got hurt and when hes off the court..he doesnt make anybody better..it seems like when ever nick has a great game its when gilbert is the point..but thats just me looking

Posted by: MrNoOne | November 26, 2010 3:27 AM | Report abuse

The wizards just aren't ready for prime time. They are just too young and too inexperienced.

Oh, let's kill the 3 guard line up. This is not college. Whatever advantage we get on the offensive end with 3 guards, we lose double that on the defensive end when we have a guard trying to stop a SF.

Posted by: tundey | November 26, 2010 4:58 AM | Report abuse

this isn't youth and inexperience, this is skill and professionalism. The Wiz go into every game against a talented team thinking they will lose. It's apparent every time. they don't think nor approach the game like they will win.

for every bright spot you see out of these guys, they have 2 to 3 weaknesses. Andray Blatche "ain't" an impact player and is not close to be an answer. The Wiz still need a steady, physical and wise inside presence. i like Javale's upside, but Blatche is too soft and lazy to be an impact player.

Posted by: oknow1 | November 26, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, what were you expecting?

Oh nobody who's anybody is coming here!

Wiz are doomed organization.

Look they get the first pick in the draft and there guy has already missed a game because of injury.

Posted by: shamken | November 26, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I hope Ted is embarrassed enough that he finally realizes Ernie and Flip don't belong in the NBA

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 26, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Let's scrap the three guard. That offense got killed last night, literally left for dead on the side of the road so to speak.

And FLIP's zone defense ain't gettin' it, and was absolutely atrocious. Holes everywhere. I don't think the WIZZIES have the energy necessary to play man, but damn, they got to start trying at least in that zone.

Besides you may as well call it a four guard on offense, the way BLATCHE tries jump shots from everywhere beyond ten feet.

NICK YOUNG didn't do badly on that end. In fact, he might have had the WIZARDS best all-round game.

I see McGEE came to play inside until the third when he got disgusted and tired with no help in there.

Pretty obvious ARENAS doesn't have what it takes to be a high-energy go to guy anymore. He drew enough iron last night to rebuild ATLANTA after the fire. Oh wait, I forgot, he's not in b-ball shape yet. Well.........we're seein' aren't we?

The rookie SERAPHIN has a nasty streak doesn't he? This guy's gonna' be a beast.

Later.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 26, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

As I watched start of the game and that stupid 3 guard offense appear as the starting line up, any hope I had of us having a chance to win this game wentg out the window. I kinda agree that the game play of the team is much in flow than when J Wall is in the game but that's Flip needing to find the correct tempo and flow of his team. I really don't think he feels he has to have a different offense than that freakin 3 guard offense that is in NO WAY successful. A long season awaits us, hopefully a new coach and GM are in the near future although it's wishful thinking if Ted is seriously going to let those 2 (Flip & Ernie) build this team through the draft. I see 2 years of misery!

Posted by: zack5 | November 26, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"I hope Ted is embarrassed enough that he finally realizes Ernie and Flip don't belong in the NBA."

Ta-da! We have a weiner. ;)

Agree 100%. And I will add that until they revamp the roster this is what you're going to get. Continuing a discussion from another post, this isn't going to be the same team 2 years from now that you see now...I hope. Case in point: Alonzo Gee. He sucks. If you're going to play someone like him you might as well play some of the rookies and see what they do instead.

In order to do that Arenas has to be gone because he makes too much money. I wish he would take Blatche with him.

The Hawks are a playoff team. The Wiz can compete with the teams who are NOT going to make the playoffs, but until they make some changes get used to what happend last night.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 26, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Wall, Gil, & Kirk


Flip has to bench Kirk. Why not? He can still get minutes off the bench. If Howard comes back then he's the starting 3 anyways. Even then we have Al as a backup and we have NY in the mix. Why does he have to start Kirk. I honestly dont think Wall is worried about playing with Gil. I think Wall is worried about how to play with both Gil & Kirk. I honestly dont think Gil is worried about playing with Wall. I think Gil is worried about how to play with both Wall & Kirk. Its just 1 guy too many.

Even if youre not a Gil fan, you have to start him just so he can get his stats up and be traded. We are 14 games in and still have yet to start Gil & Wall by themselves. You wont find out anything until they get out there together without Kirk. Then you can decide it doesnt work, or one guy cant play with the other, or whatever but you will never know until you start those 2 without Kirk. It just doesnt work with all 3. Its stupid. Again, you cant say to bench Gil and start Kirk because they Gil will have no trade value. Youre just going to have a 80mil max guy on the bench for Kirk and knowing that the team still wont be good? NO!

We only have 1 chance to be good and thats with Gil & Wall with Kirk as the backup PG. Stop messing around and run it already. If it doesnt work then we will know but you cant judge anything until then. You cant even judge them individually because they arent going to play right until then. Its just a bad mix and it hurts the whole team & Offense. Not to mention we cant stop anyone and when we do, they still get the Offensive rebound

Posted by: dlts2041 | November 26, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

It was embarassing - the three guard offense shot us out of the game - Gil could not throw it in the ocean but he kept firing anyway - his points came in garbage time; the other two guards could not shoot either. Blatche and McGee did not rebound well (McGee did get 10) but they received no help from anyone. I love the thinking that interior defense is only on the bigs; Gil waves as his man goes by (ole)and for whatever reason Wall decided he did not need to play D either; at least Heinrich tries to play it. I think the idea of Seraphim makes some sense, let him hurt some people in the paint, it can't be worse (it wont win any games though). This team needs to run to have a chance and the only team running last night was the Hawks. Blah.

Posted by: h20law2000 | November 26, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Two words for Andray Blatche:
body fat.

He's a pedestrian on D & an excessive jumper shooter on O. How much longer is the Wiz's rope on him?

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 26, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

any starting lineup that matches 6'4" kirk hinrich against 6'9" is putting itself at a disadvantage off the break. Marvin Williams is a 6'10 freakishly athletic 3 that can shoot the three, attack the rim and play in the post a lil bit. Kirk had nothing last night. ATL's bigs were hell bent on not letting Javale embarrass them. The box says that AB played 22 mins, but i swear he was non existent out there. If he just gives a lil more effort he can take a lot of pressure off of JM inside. As it stands 2-3 guys work to box him out on every miss and AB kinda just hopes to catch a long reb. I'm glad Flip kinda took it to Wall. I think he's seeing what a lot of us saw during the week or so he was out with the foot. There are some guys on this team that can play, but maybe having the ball in the hands of a 20 yr old rookie 85% of the time isn't the best way to accentuate their talents. I luv the way JWow plays, but he does slow the tempo in the half court.
Seraphin didn't look half as bad as Lee makes it sound IMHO. The kid hasn't played all year (except for like 10 garbage mins) and wanted to get some NBA work in. I liked his effort hustle and toughness. If we can get him and McGee with a good BigMan's coach they could be our foundation in the front court. AB is setting himself up to be a midseason trade. He's reasonably priced,young and talented. I think for the right deal, I'd move AB and Thornton. Try to package them together for a first rounder to a team that may have 2 in the upcoming draft, maybe get a hardworking underskilled 4 who's never heard of a spin move or tried a fadeaway.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Two words for Andray Blatche:
body fat.

I asked Ted if there was anything we should emulate from Pat Riley's fitness protocols and mandatory bodyfat levels....he said Riley isnt doing anything that every other nba team does, that Riley's program is nothing special.

Hard to envision Blatche getting away with 15%BF under Pat Riley.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I understand that Flip keeps NY on the bench for now to make sure there's some firepower coming out with the second unit, but why not do the same for kirk? Bring in him and NY at the same time off the bench (barring stellar play from Gil or Wall) you can still bring him at either guard spot with NY at the 3. i just think that this team has to start off strong, and KH is best suited playing PG. If he's gotta play the 3 you might as well suit up gene banks or Yung Unseld, cuz it'll get ugly soon.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Nick should start at 3 while Al Sore-ton is out, bring KH off the bench against backup PGs where he'll do serious damage.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

For the record i think AB is really talented and can be a great pro. But his conditioning is unacceptable and i'd like to think that at some point Flip or the organization will have to do something. Right now he's doing excactly what i hated from Jamison. He's getting numbers that have little to no effect on the outcome of the game(i know that his numbers are a part of the scoring total) but he doesn't make plays to impact winning.he's just out there getting his. In fact he makes a ton of plays as of late that look profoundly Loser-ish (J-Smoove with the rejection of an awflu fade away attempt). With the way guys have been playing and attacking lately his game doesn't fit in. He's gotta get himself into better shape asap. Right now he's not up to the physical challenge opposing bigs are presenting him with. He's folding to that type of pressure whenever he plays a banger. There's no foght in that fat dog right now Flip, get him out the ring.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

He's gotta get himself into better shape asap

He has not lost a single pound since the start of the season, despite running sprints etc after practice. That can only mean one thing, he's eating tubs of ice cream and snickers at night. Somebody needs to take him to task for that crap

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Note to lilhollywood10: I advocated the same thing in a post last week bring Kirk&NY off the bench it gives them both a chance to work together, and i think NY can benefit from Kirk's "court awareness". I'm also lobbying for Mike Woodson as the next head coach, he is defensive minded and has a no nonsense approach to the game. I don't think the "serial skirt chaser"(AB) will ever change Andray Blatche is the classic underachiever how EG signed him to a new contract is beyond me.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 26, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Nick should start at 3 while Al Sore-ton is out, bring KH off the bench against backup PGs where he'll do serious damage.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse
I agree. I'd really like to see NY start, but every game isn't gonna be like ATL. I'd really like to keep him coming off the bench and see how many games like this he can string together. We all clamored for him to get more mins, and with this increase has come results. However NY has been one of our least consistent contributors over the years. lets see if this is the real deal or some fool's gold ( it sure looks real doe, right?) I'm just saying I'd hate for him to lose some of his rhythm by changing his role.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Well to his defense, AB has clutch in the Wiz's wins this year. But for every one of those, there's 4-5 "WTH is he doing" plays from him. The answer is so clear to everybody but him. A broken foot is a tough injury to come back from, but clearly if AB wants to be a superstar, getting his body fat under 10 percent is clearly the key.

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 26, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I like the Wiz's SF situation once Josh gets healthy. Kirk is a backup PG; The team should be rounding into full continuity by the end of 1/2011, provided everyone stays healthy.

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 26, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

@Divi3
I think Flip knows that Kirk would be really good against backup pgs, but at some point you end up with a backcourt combo that you are a lot less confident in, ie KH + CM or KH +AG. i think Flip is realy confident in the Wall Gil Nick lineup, Nick just hasn't shown enough consistency over the years for him to take kirk's job. As critical as i've been of kirk. He's almost exactly what you thought you were getting. He was a 13 and 5 guy, who's giving us 11 and 5. He may have a bad night, but few bad nights that are as bad as when my man NY ain't right. Plus KH is a coach's son, Flip will always trust him more than NY regardless of the role.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

What Flip needs to jettison is the myth that KH is the one 6'2" 190 pound person in the entire nba that can check 3 positions. He's an active, high energy defender who can make plays on anybody at a given time, but you can't send him out there against 6'8" players or bodies like Joe Johnson and expect him to hold it down for 30-35 minutes. IMHO, not only does it not work it also diminishes his offensive game and isn't the best use of his skills.

The way Nick is ballin, it's easy to envision him and KH working well together as the 2nd unit backcourt

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Well to his defense, AB has clutch in the Wiz's wins this year. But for every one of those, there's 4-5 "WTH is he doing" plays from him. The answer is so clear to everybody but him. A broken foot is a tough injury to come back from, but clearly if AB wants to be a superstar, getting his body fat under 10 percent is clearly the key.

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 26, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Dray needs to go vegan like starting yesterday. i think he's actually getting fatter. look at his jowls. get it together son.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"Marvin Williams is a 6'10 freakishly athletic 3 that can shoot the three, attack the rim and play in the post a lil bit."

You know Marvin's not a good 3 point shooter, right? 16.7% season to date. You want him to shoot from outside.

I only saw the first half; just tuning in this AM for the usual overreaction. The Wiz will probably lose games just like this all season, when they resemble a Kenner League all-star team. We just hope they snap back the next game, and so far they have. It's the price you pay for blowing a team up and starting over.

Y'know what I liked best about Seraphin. Hit both his free throws. If a big man can do that, he gets to stay on the court in the fourth quarter. As far as physically, he looks stronger than anyone Washington has had in years. But let's face it, he's a rookie D-League player at the moment.

Atlanta has been on a losing binge, needed to make a statement at home and they did. Anybody notice both teams hit their FTs? 24 of 26 for Washington. They haven't been doing that lately.

But you're right, the Hawks seemed to adjust to keep Javale off the offensive boards. I sort of figured that was coming.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 26, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

There are certain teams that maybe the Wiz could go with the 3-guard lineup against......the Hawks are not one of them. Even though the combo of Williams and Evans at SF didn't kill them per se, Horford and Smith have had good success against AB and McGee, so there needs to be more help out there. I don't know if NY is the answer, but he has played the best out of the available candidates.

I understand the thinking of trying to keep NY's production as part of the bench, but if you're not getting enough from the starters, you have to make the change and someone else from the bench has to step up.

Unfortunately, it sounds like Flip has not been dissuaded from using the lineup.

Posted by: ts35 | November 26, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Rest the rookie.. playing him too many minutes and collisions will result in long term injury just ask the oft injured Arenas and Butler

Posted by: jercha | November 26, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

@Lil re: "Marvin Williams is a 6'10 freakishly athletic 3 that can shoot the three, attack the rim and play in the post a lil bit."

Marvin Williams is basically a waste of all of that freakish athletic talent. He was guarded by a player 5-6" shorter and managed 6pts and 4 rebounds. Even in relatively short minutes, that's pathetic.

The 3-guard lineup was definitely part of the problem last night, but it didn't have that much to do with Marvin Williams.

Posted by: ts35 | November 26, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of the 'soft bigs' in this league and Blatche and Bosh are front and center on this one. Blatche is the laziest defender ever and Bosh is a close second. Blatche just doesn't have IT in him, he's just not a winner. He throws up jumpers, scowls and whines and not much else. Man, I'd take a Josh (ATL) or Deng (Bulls) over Blatche or Bosh or that waste of space Yi in a heartbeat.

Posted by: kahlua87 | November 26, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | November 26, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse


he's about 30% for the in the past 2 seasons. But i was really talking about where Kirk would have to guard him (notice you didn't give his attacking the rim% or his in the post %). No need to tear my statement down. The game was on last night.Marv has played in 9 games and has taken 18 3s. that's 2 treys a game. alls i'm saying is that Kirk had to check him all over the court b/c Marv ,at least thinks, he can score from anywhere on the court.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow, this is a really bad team. Les BouleS were atrocious against the Hawks, a middle of the road team. For the most part, everybody was healthy, but everybody seemed helpless.

This team has a lot of flashy parts, but it seems nothing consistently works as a team. You got a lot of youth, but you also have a lot of veterans who should have their act together by now. Couple that with a coach that can't seem to get the team under control and has no offensive or defensive identity, and a GM who thinks he's playing NBA2K11 instead of managing a real franchise, you have a recipe for failure, and that's what it's been.

I hope Teddy gets coached up real quick on what is needed to be an NBA owner so that he can make some real wholesale changes this offseason. It was a complete and utter embarrassment on national TV last night.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 26, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

@Lil re: "Marvin Williams is a 6'10 freakishly athletic 3 that can shoot the three, attack the rim and play in the post a lil bit."

Marvin Williams is basically a waste of all of that freakish athletic talent. He was guarded by a player 5-6" shorter and managed 6pts and 4 rebounds. Even in relatively short minutes, that's pathetic.

The 3-guard lineup was definitely part of the problem last night, but it didn't have that much to do with Marvin Williams.

Posted by: ts35 | November 26, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

He's a tough cover for a 6 4 cat

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"I understand the thinking of trying to keep NY's production as part of the bench, but if you're not getting enough from the starters, you have to make the change and someone else from the bench has to step up.Unfortunately, it sounds like Flip has not been dissuaded from using the lineup.Posted by: ts35"

Why would you want him to be dissuaded? That was the first time he's gotten to try it, right? As far as Nick, he's finally found something resembling a groove, and now we're going to change it up on him? Leave the kid alone.

It's probably just me, but I'm not seeing this as a playoff team. I'm seeing it as a team that's just taking shape, a year or two or maybe three from contention. If that makes me a bad fan, so be it. I like it that the coaches and players are experimenting a bit. It's hard to do in the NBA, because the crowds at home want to see a winner. I suspect that's why we see it mostly on the road.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 26, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

@TS35
Not really trippin off Marv's 6 pts. He went 3-7 and shot less than any other starter except Bibby. He's gotta be their 4th or 5th offensive option with JJ,Horford,J-Smoove, and even Bibby with the ball in his hands. I don't think i said that Marv was The Unstoppable Force last night, just that it wasn't advantageous to us to put a 6 4 cat on a 6-9 cat.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"Marvin Williams is basically a waste of all of that freakish athletic talent. He was guarded by a player 5-6" shorter and managed 6pts and 4 rebounds. Even in relatively short minutes, that's pathetic."

Just an observation: Marvin has sometimes had trouble against smaller defenders, because it's harder to drive around them and he can't reliably connect on the outside jumper. If you let him inside, he can kill you.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 26, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

About Tyreke Evans: last season's RoY is in a shooting slump. That's bad because the whole offense revolves around his ability to drive and get to the line. from SI.com:

"Evans, the 2009-10 rookie of the year, missed his first eight shots and played more than 25 scoreless minutes before getting the benefit of a goaltending call against DeAndre Jordan on a layup with 4:02 left in the third quarter and the Kings trailing 75-59. Over his last three games, Evans has missed 28 of 37 shots."

It happens.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 26, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I bet Orlando is dying to fill out their 4 spot with AB. Let's just get rid of him for a bunch of future draft picks and maybe an expiring contract.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 26, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Marvin Williams the #2 overall pick in '05 draft over D Will and CP3, is a BUST.

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 26, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Marvin Williams is in there for his defense, btw the Wizards scored 18pts in the 1st quarter

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

As far as Nick, he's finally found something resembling a groove, and now we're going to change it up on him? Leave the kid alone.

Why? How about let the kid earn as much PT as he merits? He's in his 4th year, he should be taking on as large a role as he can handle. If KH or Gil are not getting it done, there is no reason not to allow Nick to take their PT. He's younger, cheaper, and a player we have to fully understand by season's end when it's time to make a decision on him.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Just so you know ex Hawk's coach Mike Woodson stayed in Marvin Williams's s_it all the time so much so that Joe Johnson came to William's defense that go JJ chewed up one side and down the other by Woodson and that was that. The Hawk's ownership group basically sided with the player's and Woodson was sent packing after Orlando embarrased the Hawk's last year in ths second round of the playoff's (a sweep) by avg. margin of victory of 30plus points.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 26, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"Why? How about let the kid earn as much PT as he merits?"

Like I said: leave the kid alone. I'm encouraged by what we've seen. He's even working on his rebounding. All that other stuff -- how he should be this or that -- is just fluff. He is what he is.

Still 68 games to go.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 26, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"Woodson was sent packing after Orlando embarrased the Hawk's last year in ths second round of the playoff's (a sweep) by avg. margin of victory of 30plus points.
Posted by: dargregmag"

Which was a big surprise to most observers. The Hawks had seemed better than that in the regular season. They finished with 53 wins and beat Milwaukee in the first round. Then for the second year in a row, got swept in the next round. A mystery club. And then surprised observers by replacing Woodson with Larry Drew, who'd been there for 6 seasons as the lead assistant. You have to wonder what he hadn't already taught them.

Orlando looked unbeatable for a while there -- til Boston beat them.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 26, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Haven't seen many full games this year and last night I only saw first half, but here are a few observations:

Even without Foster or Thornton this 3 guard stuff is ridiculous. This is the NBA. It only works for a brief period of time against certain teams and if you have a 4 and a 5 that can control the paint and the boards. We have neither. Kirk and Young should be second unit players on this team.

They should start Boozer or Martin and see what happens. One of them just may end up being something if given a chance.

McGee with the right attitude can be better than good. He took step back last night.

Blatche is what he is. His biggest problem to me is not conditioning or body fat. It is attitude. I was so shocked when he drove the lane and dunked on somebody the other day, WHICH IS HIS BEST MOVE by far. He is a nothing but fade away jump shooting, wanna be guard in a power forwards body. We have been saying this for years. Why is everybody surprised?

Young has been hot but between his fading to the left, Gil no longer getting the phantom calls he got when he was a star and Blatche's finger rolls, is it any wonder we don't get to the line like other teams? Thank God for Walls who drives the lane. but he needs to hold back a little or his body will never last the season?

Keep the faith gang. It's a rebuilding year. We hang with teams on our level and get blown out by the big boys. We are what we are. I will still anticipate about 32-34 wins this year and that will satisfy me as good progress.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | November 26, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

One advantage of the 3-guard lineup is that quicker guards should be able to get out on perimeter shooters. That didn't happen. Instead, the Wizards took a bunch of bad shots, resulting in long rebounds which led to transition baskets for the Hawks. Arenas was as guilty as anyone for this. In the 1st quarter he took 3s like he was trying to reach the career goal of 1000 3pt makes. With each game it looks less likely that Wall and Arenas will play well together. Wall's not getting into a good flow, and Gil doesn't defer so much as become completely passive. Gil should go back to coming off the bench. He already has great chemistry with Nick.

Posted by: djnnnou | November 26, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

@Stanlong23
my first observation is that there is no one on the wizards roster named foster at all.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

i shoulda kept reading cuz apparently we got booker too.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse


my first observation is that there is no one on the wizards roster named foster at all.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 12:03 PM


I meant Josh Howard of course. My bad.
BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | November 26, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking our starting lineup last night was the smallest in the entire league, yeah that's gonna work.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm thankful I didn't know this game was on.

Posted by: richs91 | November 26, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

3rd blowout (margin > 20 pts) of the season. Maybe we should run a poll on if the next two games will be blowouts as well?

Posted by: sagaliba | November 26, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Why would you want him to be dissuaded? That was the first time he's gotten to try it, right? As far as Nick, he's finally found something resembling a groove, and now we're going to change it up on him? Leave the kid alone.

It's probably just me, but I'm not seeing this as a playoff team. I'm seeing it as a team that's just taking shape, a year or two or maybe three from contention. If that makes me a bad fan, so be it. I like it that the coaches and players are experimenting a bit. It's hard to do in the NBA, because the crowds at home want to see a winner. I suspect that's why we see it mostly on the road.

Posted by: Samson151

I'm pretty much of the same mindset (I think) that learning and progressing is more important this season that winning -- although developing a winning mindset and learning what it takes to win is a big part of what they need to do.

My problem with the 3G lineup is that I think it is more about trying to win now than it is about experimenting or preparing for the future. If it were going to be more effective at winning now, I might go along with it. Imo, it's just not good short term or long term strategy.

Prior to the season I was willing to go along with it because none of the other available options looked particularly appetizing either. But NY has showed consistent, solid effort. If AT or JH are healthy, I think they start, but if not, I'd like to what Nick does with the minutes, if his effort stays consistent.

Posted by: ts35 | November 26, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

i shoulda kept reading cuz apparently we got booker too.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 12:05 PM

oops again...I meant Booker. Should have proofread carefully.

Anyway it sounds like I missed seeing a nice dose of Seraphin (hope that's spelled right-lol) last night in the second half. It sounds like he may bring exactly what we need- a big that is willing to bang. I am sure he is raw but in my opinion he and Booker need to be allowed to play themselves onto the bench rather than onto the court. Somebody needs to show some toughness. That is the only way Flip's 3 guard, fast break style might work.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | November 26, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you Bmore Rev on making sure Booker and Seraphin get some minutes. The dilemma is in what ts 35 said, developing people while developing a winning mindset amidst regular losing. To my mind, this requires a coach with some skill at group psychology and frankly, my sense is that Flip just isn't the guy.

Another observation: lazy Blatche may not be the best PF with skinny McGee. I'd prefer a beefier presence. However, as the SF spot offers no guarentee of consistent production, Blatche stays on the court. If Howard and/or Thornton can give that consistency moving forward, I'd like to see Booker and Seraphin see some PF minutes.

Posted by: mugsybol | November 26, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

As last night's commentator said, Hawks coach must have studied Saunders' zone defense and attacked accordingly.

One example is Smith's second dunk. On that play, Wizards has Hinrich on top, Wall and another player on the left and Arenas and another player on the right. But Hawks only has one player on left and 3 players on right. So wizards shifted to the right, Wall came over on top took over Hinrich's man, and Hinrich shifted over to the right. But just at the same time Smith moved from right to left on the base line. Both Arenas and the other Wizards still guarding the two remaining Hawks players on right, leaving Smith unguarded for the dunk (and Hinrich was not guarding anybody, because the shift was not executed in time).

Posted by: sagaliba | November 26, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

the Wiz aren't going anywhere this year, so why not play the young guys more? Time to move some of these vets and develop the young guys.

Posted by: ralston21 | November 26, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Starting Nick Young would nothing to eliminate the 3-guard lineup because NY is a guard. Granted, he's a taller guard than Hinrich or Arenas, but he's still a guard, not a SF. And there's nothing to suggest that starting Young will result in any kind of transformative change to the team's performance. If, after 3-plus seasons, Young seems to have found something resembling a comfort zone then it might be a good idea to leave him in it for a while.

And whatever its deficits, the 3-guard alignment wasn't even close to being a major factor in the Atlanta loss. The Wizards got rolled by a better team, a team that half-assed its way through most of their previous matchup with the Wizards and came dangerously close to suffering an embarrassing loss. They took the Wiz lightly last game and allowed them to hang around before waking up late and turning on the jets. There's no doubt that they came into this came uber-motivated to avoid a repeat performance on national TV. They came out determined to put the Wiz away early and bury them deep.

As hard as it seems to be for fans to understand and accept, the actions of the opposing team do have an impact on the outcome of the game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

It's probably just me, but I'm not seeing this as a playoff team. I'm seeing it as a team that's just taking shape, a year or two or maybe three from contention. If that makes me a bad fan, so be it. I like it that the coaches and players are experimenting a bit. It's hard to do in the NBA, because the crowds at home want to see a winner. I suspect that's why we see it mostly on the road.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 26, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I think that was the projection before the start of the season (that we are in rebuilding mode). Don't understand why everyone is getting so upset that we're not winning right now. As I have redundantly stated on this blog, it's not about winning at this point. It's all about development, development, development.

Part of my frustration with the coaching staff is that the youngsters need to play more, especially since development is of the utmost importance right now. If we develop properly, the victories will start to come. In addition, while I understand the coaching staff's desire to experiment (if that's what you call it), I truly hope the players aren't doing likewise. They need to play it out the way the coaches draw it up.

Also, I'm with you guys on Blatche. I was extremely high on him at the end of last season. I realize he had a broken foot this summer, but we are almost into December now. He's had plenty of time to get into shape. I hope he gets it together soon, because right now he's certainly not making the same kind of strides as JM and NY.

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

@kal

good stuff, snarkiness nonwithstanding. I saw some line about the wiz being "Unfit for national tv". They've certainly showed they are unfit for nationally televised matchups with playoof teams and championship contenders. All that being said, the Wiz didn't come out and do much to match the intensity and focus of the hawks.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Right now he's doing excactly what i hated from Jamison.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

AB learned everything he knows from AJ.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

He's had plenty of time to get into shape. I hope he gets it together soon, because right now he's certainly not making the same kind of strides as JM and NY.

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

he'll still give you double fig scoring and 7-10 rebs in his sleep, but that's the problem. It's easy enough for him to put up numbers that would be acceptable from some of the other bigs, but it's not enough. He's giving you the Jamison type #s most games with none of the Jamison work ethic and passion. It was there last year..........funny how money changes things.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

As hard as it seems to be for fans to understand and accept, the actions of the opposing team do have an impact on the outcome of the game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

And having a coach who plays a 3 guard offense and a zone defense in the NBA has a big impact too...a negative one.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 26, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Starting Nick Young would nothing to eliminate the 3-guard lineup because NY is a guard. Granted, he's a taller guard than Hinrich or Arenas, but he's still a guard, not a SF.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

We're only dealing with semantics here. It's all about the size of the player, not his listed position. A 6'7" player would be much more capable of guarding a 6'8'/6'9' SF than a 6'4" player, whatever position he might be listed at. The consensus complaint on this board is not that Hinrich is a guard, but that he is only 6'4", and that we need more size in the starting lineup.

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse


You just have to wonder about the wisdom of having the Wizards on national television playing on the road against Orlando and Atlanta, teams that last season won 59 and 53 games, respectively. What, exactly, was the point? From my perspective, the Wizards were doomed from the start. At least Blake Griffin had his nationally televised game at home against a fellow lottery-dwelling team. WTF?

Posted by: and_1 | November 26, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

he'll still give you double fig scoring and 7-10 rebs in his sleep, but that's the problem. It's easy enough for him to put up numbers that would be acceptable from some of the other bigs, but it's not enough. He's giving you the Jamison type #s most games with none of the Jamison work ethic and passion. It was there last year..........funny how money changes things.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

There's a Biblical expression that goes like this: "to whom much is given, much is also required." AB is a SUPREMELY talented big man who brings much to the table. Should we then be satisfied with a few droppings from his table? You absolutely NAILED it with the bolded statement above. What he's doing is not enough.

I heard Michael Vick say a couple of weeks ago that he knew his skill level/talent were off the chains (I'm paraphrasing - I don't remember exactly how he worded it), but that it wasn't until he got with McNabb that he began to understand how to apply those skills to become a great player, and suddenly things began to click "upstairs" for him. Look at him now.

Blatche is an Exhibit A example of that. If he would only apply himself to his craft, he could be a M-O-N-S-T-E-R!!! I, personally, could NEVER be satisfied with what he's giving us right now, when there is so much more in the tank that he's not giving us. Now that's not to say I would give up on him. Yet!!! It's a little too early for that, given his age, but it clearly is time for him to WAKE UP! Seems to me like he's got his contract and has become complacent. If that's the case, he will, in time, most certainly regret that approach.

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Starting Nick Young would nothing to eliminate the 3-guard lineup because NY is a guard. Granted, he's a taller guard than Hinrich or Arenas, but he's still a guard, not a SF.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

We're only dealing with semantics here. It's all about the size of the player, not his listed position. A 6'7" player would be much more capable of guarding a 6'8'/6'9' SF than a 6'4" player, whatever position he might be listed at. The consensus complaint on this board is not that Hinrich is a guard, but that he is only 6'4", and that we need more size in the starting lineup.

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 1:47 PM |

In addition to his height and strength advantage over Hinrich, Young played SF in college so its not like it's a foreign concept for Young to play SF.

Posted by: and_1 | November 26, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The consensus complaint on this board is not that Hinrich is a guard, but that he is only 6'4", and that we need more size in the starting lineup.

Hinrich was never listed at 6'4" until this season. He's always been listed at 6'3" 190 until EG decided he could play SF

Young is big enough to legitimately be a SF, he's listed at 6'7" 210 exactly the same as Josh Howard.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"We're only dealing with semantics here. It's all about the size of the player, not his listed position. A 6'7" player would be much more capable of guarding a 6'8'/6'9' SF than a 6'4" player, whatever position he might be listed at."

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 1:47 PM

Whether that's true in this case is a matter of open speculation, but it's certainly not inherently true by any means.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"We're only dealing with semantics here. It's all about the size of the player, not his listed position. A 6'7" player would be much more capable of guarding a 6'8'/6'9' SF than a 6'4" player, whatever position he might be listed at."

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 1:47 PM

Whether that's true in this case is a matter of open speculation, but it's certainly not inherently true by any means.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Management made their decision on AB, he isnt being traded while EG is running the show- not anytime soon at any rate. Flip doesnt appear to be displeased with him that much either, though thankfully he has been pulling him a little more as of late.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"Young is big enough to legitimately be a SF, he's listed at 6'7" 210 exactly the same as Josh Howard."

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:12 PM

Anyone who's ever seen both of them on the court together should know that Young is not as big as Josh Howard.

And the difference between being able to play SG and SF is not just a function of size.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 26, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Blatche took 10 FGAs last night, 7 in the paint. That is probably the shot selection Flip wants, they just arent falling.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who's ever seen both of them on the court together should know that Young is not as big as Josh Howard.

Draft express lists 1/4" height advantage (w/o shoes) to Howard.

And the difference between being able to play SG and SF is not just a function of size.

As long as he keeps his defensive effort where it needs to be, NY is a better nba SF than either KH or Gil. That's just how it is.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Blatche took 10 FGAs last night, 7 in the paint. That is probably the shot selection Flip wants, they just arent falling.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he's too unselfish , or just doesn't have the required mean streak to play in the post full time, but when the going gets tough Ab gets going.........outside.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Young is big enough to legitimately be a SF, he's listed at 6'7" 210 exactly the same as Josh Howard."
Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:12 PM

Anyone who's ever seen both of them on the court together should know that Young is not as big as Josh Howard.

And the difference between being able to play SG and SF is not just a function of size.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 26, 2010 2:17 P

He played SF in college! He's also played it some lately for the Wiz. Not only is he taller but his athleticism would allow him to better defend SFs. So to say playing him and Kirk is the same because they're both guards is crazy.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | November 26, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Blatche took 10 FGAs last night, 7 in the paint. That is probably the shot selection Flip wants, they just arent falling.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah except for the fade away that Smoove returned to sender. It's not just the shot chart shot selection it's the Kobe Bryant "quality shots" that i'm lookin for.Taking a j 2 ft in front of the ft line makes it a "in the paint " basket, but is it a quality attempt? i am growing less and less confident in AB's scoring attempts. When he gets the ball all of the sudden i'm getting that "Uh oh" feeling, like we used t always get when JMac got passed the ball.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

As long as he keeps his defensive effort where it needs to be, NY is a better nba SF than either KH or Gil. That's just how it is.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely!!!

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

As long as he keeps his defensive effort where it needs to be, NY is a better nba SF than either KH or Gil. That's just how it is.

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely!!!

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Young is big enough to legitimately be a SF, he's listed at 6'7" 210 exactly the same as Josh Howard."

Posted by: divi3 | November 26, 2010 2:12 PM

Listed heights are often bogus. No way Nick is as big as Josh. But of course, that's beside the point. Nick is certainly capable of playing SF. In fact, he's thriving at that position.

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Just an observation here. As is duly noted, Nick played SF in college. He was moved to guard in the NBA and has struggled. This is the first year he is back, for the most part, at SF (he is almost always on the floor with two point guards). Perhaps he was just out of position at guard. As Kalo noted, the difference is more than just one of size.

I think Philly is about to make the same mistake with Evan Turner.

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I think Philly is about to make the same mistake with Evan Turner.

Posted by: bpybay | November 26, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Turner looks like more of a "swiss army knife" typa player, a guy that can do a whole lot of different things. i think Collins needs to just let the kid get some run and find out what he does best at this level. then find matchups that work accordingly. Then again things are just weird out in Philly, how can Lou Williams not be a starter up there?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 26, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I did sit through that horrible excuse of a game against the Hawks. There comes a time to make sensible adjustments when something isn't working [i.e., 3-guard offense]. I think Flip was still feeling the high from the win over Philly.

I think we're all being too hard on the Wizards. No one honestly expects them to compete with Boston, Orlando, Miami, or Atlanta and maybe Chicago. Once Gil and John Wall get their game into sync [just like McGee and Young], this team can run with the also-rans in the East.

Every team has an Andray Blatche type in their starting 5. No team NOT EVEN THE LAKERS has 5 guys performing at a high level every night.

The Wizards are who they are: "the best of the rest", "the cream of the crap."

Mark my words, the Wizards will hold their own against every team in the East other than Boston, Orlando, Miami, Atlanta and the Bulls. I will remind you all that I predicted this when we grab the 8th spot in the playoffs.

Posted by: musicmanjr | November 26, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

LOL about Nick vs Josh: the height's about the same, but you can see why Josh looks like the bigger player -- he's got a five inch advantage when he sticks his arms up. According to their respective pre-draft measurements:

NICK: Wingspan 7', Standing reach: 8'4.5"
JOSH: Wingspan 7'2", Standing reach 8'9.5"

Nick's standing reach would be right about the league average for a SG, while Howard's reach is about an inch above the average for SF. Both have a wingspan well above average for either position, which is supposedly a help on defense. Or so they say.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 26, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

The issue with Andrey Blatche in the paint is not just the fadeaways from the foul line. How many times have we seen him 3-4 feet away from the basket, seemingly capable of dunking over someone, yet he flips a finger roll that rolls off the rim? Flip should bench him every time he does that. That would be the only way that he would get the point. But I guess they are just glad that he is in the paint rather than chucking up 20 footers. I would gladly settle for a few of his stupid fadeaways if he would consistently dunk over people when he gets a chance.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | November 26, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"The issue with Andrey Blatche in the paint is not just the fadeaways from the foul line. How many times have we seen him 3-4 feet away from the basket, seemingly capable of dunking over someone, yet he flips a finger roll that rolls off the rim? Flip should bench him every time he does that. That would be the only way that he would get the point. But I guess they are just glad that he is in the paint rather than chucking up 20 footers. I would gladly settle for a few of his stupid fadeaways if he would consistently dunk over people when he gets a chance.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | November 26, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse "

AB is a finesse player with limited hops, small hands, and duck feet. Also, he doesn't take physical abuse well. With a finger roll near the basket, you're pretty much saying you want to exert as little effort as possible for the bucket.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

To add to the conversation about size, as Grant Hill (6-8) once said when asked if he could be the next MJ (6-6), he said he didn't have MJ's catcher's mitt sized hands that could palm the ball easily, so he could never do what MJ does.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 27, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

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