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Posted at 2:43 AM ET, 12/28/2010

Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee move on, while Wizards remain stuck on road losing skid

By Michael Lee

Another one slips from our grasp. (Reuters Photos)


The Wizards' road-losing streak didn't come to an end in Houston, but Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee both said after the game that the unfortunate incident from last week has been resolved. Emotions got the best of the Blatche and McGee outside a local D.C. club early Friday morning, leading to a scuffle between teammates that was on public display for the partygoers in attendance.

It eventually led to one-game suspensions for both players under the team's new "zero tolerance policy" for off-the-court episodes. Blatche and McGee returned to the team -- as the respective starting power forward and center -- against the Rockets, and both players would like to put it behind them.

"I feel blessed. I'm just happy to be back on the court and playing with my teammates," Blatche said after recording his sixth double-double of the season with 17 points and 14 rebounds in the Wizards' 100-93 loss to the Houston Rockets. "I feel I let my team down by getting suspended. It killed me. That's why I'm going to do my best not to let that happen again."

Without offering any details about what led to the fracas, Blatche added that he and McGee have settled their differences. "We're good. We don't have no problem at all. We're straight. There's no problem at all."

McGee had expressed his regret for getting involved in a skirmish with Blatche but said he wouldn't dwell on it. "We're moving on. I got suspended, so it's like I did my time, you know what I mean. I'm moving forward. We're like brothers, you know. People don't always agree on things. But we're good."

Blatche and McGee are moving on, but their team remains paralyzed by an inability to win away from Verizon Center. They set a new franchise record with their 16th consecutive road loss, dating back to last season, and are 0-15 on the road this season.

It's getting next to impossible to rank which loss is most disappointing, since the list is way too long, but this defeat in Houston is up there. The Wizards just didn't seem have any composure in the final minutes, as the Rockets seemed to make every shot and free throw while coming back from a 10-point deficit in the fourth quarter.

As has been a trend for the past two seasons, the Wizards responded to the Rockets' charge by rolling over, providing little resistance aside from turnovers and rushed jumpers towards a collapse.

"I feel like We're playing hard and playing great. We just got to finish it," said McGee who had two points, seven rebounds and three blocked shots. "That's a team we should've beat. But they got us this time."


I don't think I'm going to get this one. (AP Photo)

John Wall placed a lot of the blame on himself for not getting his teammates to settle down and running the offense as Houston came back. Wall came off the bench and had been playing well through the first three quarters, as he scored all 13 of his points, going 9 of 10 from the foul line. Saunders had to lean on Wall perhaps more than he had expected, since he was playing so well. He basically scrapped the minutes limitation and played Wall for nearly 11 minutes in the fourth quarter, when the No. 1 overall pick started to look a little winded.

In the fourth quarter, Wall was 0 for 2 and missed all three of his free throw attempts -- including a technical foul shot that could've given the Wizards a 10-point lead with less than nine minutes. It got more difficult for Wall as his man he guarded -- Aaron Brooks -- dominated the fourth quarter and brought his team all the way back. Brooks accounted for 23 of the Rockets' 32 points in the fourth quarter, scoring 13 and handing out four assists.

"I think he's like our team," Saunders said of Wall. "He's got to understand, when he makes a mistake or misses free throws, he gets down, he relaxes and then by him relaxing, his guy comes off and gets a three, or gets a good look or gets to the line. And all of our players, we've got to have better concentration in those situations."

Wall said he felt fine physically, as he works himself back from a bone bruise under his right kneecap, and was okay with his role as a reserve with Kirk Hinrich continuing his solid play as the starting point guard. Hinrich scored 19 points, but oddly enough had no assists. "Kirk is doing a great job. I don't mind coming off the bench right now, because I'm not fully healthy and Kirk is doing a great job of running the team and making shots for us," Wall said. "It's kind of tough to put me in and take Kirk out."

Saunders certainly had a hard time sitting Hinrich, since he was the only player who seemed capable of slowing down Martin, who scored just six of his 20 points in the second half. "It's not a coincidence that whoever we put Kirk on, that guys has trouble scoring. Martin gets 10 early, we switch Kirk on to him and he has problems getting shots off. All of our players have to learn to have that same readiness and intensity as he does."

By Michael Lee  | December 28, 2010; 2:43 AM ET
Categories:  Andray Blatche, JaVale McGee, John Wall, Kirk Hinrich  
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Comments

It was actually a pretty encouraging performance. We played pretty well. We probably could have won if we had sat Wall for the last 4/5 minutes, but I'd rather take the loss here and give Wall the learning experience. I am still a little concerned about Wall's health though, considering how many hits/falls he takes and Flip's inability to monitor his (anyone's) minutes.

Posted by: PVGtownAz | December 28, 2010 3:58 AM | Report abuse

Oh the agony of being a Wizards fan!

Posted by: MeviousMan | December 28, 2010 4:05 AM | Report abuse

Saunders said of Wall. "He's got to understand, when he makes a mistake or misses free throws, he gets down, he relaxes and then by him relaxing, his guy comes off and gets a three, or gets a good look or gets to the line. And all of our players, we've got to have better concentration in those situations."

ADHD?

Give the kids a bunch of Ritalin and maybe that will solve their problems?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 28, 2010 5:46 AM | Report abuse

*****A NEW WASHINGTON WIZARDS RECORD***** CONGRATULATIONS GRUNFELD! 16 in a ROW!!!
Let's see how the Washington PR boys (sock puppets) try to spin this by us here in comments, it should be funny.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | December 28, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

Saunders certainly had a hard time sitting Hinrich, since he was the only player who seemed capable of slowing down Martin, who scored just six of his 20 points in the second half. "It's not a coincidence that whoever we put Kirk on, that guys has trouble scoring. Martin gets 10 early, we switch Kirk on to him and he has problems getting shots off. All of our players have to learn to have that same readiness and intensity as he does."

Flip is delusional. Kirk can't check nobody. I'm am tired of this boy being glorified for average play. The only thing that stands out about Kirk is his favortism by the coach.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 28, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

The fact that this team was up by 10 in the 4th and lost the game, shows that they are not coached properly, mentally and strategically. This is a cioaching issue, not a player issue. Flip should go!

Posted by: venky1 | December 28, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Still waiting for someone to explain why the 3-Guard offense was played down the stretch?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 28, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

no reason for 3 gaurd offense. flips fav is hinrich thats all. mcgee should have been in in crunch time just for his defensive presence alone. flip was outcoached....as usual. he has to go before we get better.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 28, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Flip plays certain starters too many minutes, so when it comes to the fourth quarter in the second road game in two nights, the team withers. Sit the starters more in the first 43 minutes, develop Booker, seraphin, etc. And then have your starters fresh at the end!

Posted by: audacitea | December 28, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Over the last 5 games Kirk Hinrich has played the best basketball of any Wizard. That's the truth, and if you don't recognize that, then you've got blinders on. That's not to say he's played perfect ball, but it seems to me that he's the only guy on the floor, other than Howard, that plays with any tenacity or urgency.

However, that does not excuse the end-of-game lineup of Wall, Hinrich, and Young. Wall and Hinrich have no chemistry with eachother. Josh Howard has got to be on the floor, and I don't care if you have to sit Wall because as good as he is on the fast break, he's terrible in the half court.

How many more times is Flip going to attribute 4th quarter meltdowns to his players getting down on themselves for making a mistake. That's an excuse from a coach who has no idea how to get his guys settled down and focused on what they need to do on the floor to execute a decent offensive play at the end of a game. The guy is pathetic.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | December 28, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Didn't even bother to watch and with people visiting for the holidays from HOUSTON too. Nobody's interested in either one. Well.......I want to see the BULLETS of old, but TED's gotta' keep a tight rein on his management team first.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 28, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

If an architect designs (or a builder builds) a lousy building, would you ask him to design (or build) another one for you?
The Wiz GM Grunfeld is ultimately responsible for the product out on the floor and friends, bottom line, it's a lousy product with lousy pieces. If we expect this same GM to(again)reconstruct this team, we will get the same results, and we are fools. Grunfeld has to go. End of story. Wake up Ted.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | December 28, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Flip is delusional. Kirk can't check nobody. I'm am tired of this boy being glorified for average play. The only thing that stands out about Kirk is his favortism by the coach.

LarryInClintonMD

Kirk is twice the defender that Young or Gil ever where. Errrr that not saying much but if you can not see that you need glasses.

Other than that he is an average guard.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | December 28, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

hinrich plays well BUT too much. flip is a horrible coach, especially with rotations. and he always blames the losses on the players, he makes no adjustments. he always throws his players under the bus saying they made mistakes, oh we dont have enough talent, blah blah blah, its never his fault.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 28, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Defense the first three quarters was great, holding Houston to 68 points. 4th quarter breakdowns were the key. Three guards down the stretch didn't work(Coaching Error).

Letting Wall out there to try and finish when the lead was slipping away has to be considered either a coaching error or trying to let the kid gain experience at crunch time. I'd chalk it up as another coaching error. I'd have rather seen Howard on the floor more going down the stretch for either Wall or Nick Young. But it's that old limited minutes thing when a coach is playing multiple guys back into shape. Failing to monitor those minutes to have an experienced combo on the floor at crunch time has to be another coaching error.

Larry, got to disagree with you on Hinrich, he's the one shutdown defender the Wiz have at guard right now. Wall can be, but he's not yet. Hinrich's on the floor for his heady play and defense, not because he's a coach's favorite...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | December 28, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Andray is moving on. He finished corrupting Javale. Next up: Corrupting Trevor Booker then Kevin Seraphin.
Andray then will show John Wall had to "refuse" to go in a game. Go Wizards!

Posted by: jmpalomo | December 28, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"Saunders said of Wall. "He's got to understand, when he makes a mistake or misses free throws, he gets down, he relaxes and then by him relaxing, his guy comes off and gets a three, or gets a good look or gets to the line."

That's the thing Nick Young struggles with. The challenge being to keep your focus.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The lads should find better ways of bonding than going to clubs. Why not just a friendly game of poker?

On second thought, maybe not.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | December 28, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"Flip is delusional."LarryInClintonMD.

Speaking of delusional...

Don't ever move to SoCal. And stay away from chemicals.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Defense the first three quarters was great, holding Houston to 68 points. 4th quarter breakdowns were the key.

Flip pulled Javale permanently (because of that goaltend?), Houston immediately took over the game. There are no shutdown defenders on this team, not a single one, and on many nights Javale altering shots is the best defense we have.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"flip is a horrible coach, especially with rotations. and he always blames the losses on the players, he makes no adjustments. he always throws his players under the bus saying they made mistakes, oh we dont have enough talent, blah blah blah, its never his fault.Posted by: skinsfan09"

LOL you realize that with this club, the losses usually aren't his fault?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

This franchise is a joke. The players care not one bit about their professional image or that of the team. This is a product of the team sucking as bad as it has for so many years and the marketing professionals building their programs on the so-called personalities of these irresponsible individuals.

It is time for the entire management team and most of the players to go. Scorch the earth and start over. Again. Why not? It simply cannot get any worse on or off the court. Who really likes this organziation, the team, the staff, the players anyway?

Posted by: lgm6986 | December 28, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"There are no shutdown defenders on this team, not a single one, and on many nights Javale altering shots is the best defense we have.Posted by: divi3"

Not sure what a 'shutdown' defender would be -- same as a 'lockdown' guy? -- but I'm pretty confident the Wiz don't have one. Neither do most NBA teams.

Some folks mistake blocks and steals for good consistent defense (they usually quote Hollinger's PER stats in support). But when you're talking about playoff defense, it's usually a matter of staying within your team's game plan and not making too many mistakes. Kobe and LeBron will probably still get their points -- the goal is to make them work a lot harder for it.

Javale isn't yet a good defender, for reasons that have been discussed here, ad nauseam. If somebody is still insisting he is, then it's more akin to a non-negotiable political position. Despite his flaws, he can still be a force on defense in a number of games, based on his ability to 'out-athalete' people (thanks, Barry Switzer). But in other games the opponent makes a couples adjustments and McGee starts to look a little lost again.

Armstrong is another athletic big man who lacks Javale's length and ability but seems a little farther along on the coaching end. He's a career backup.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Saunders said of Wall. "He's got to understand, when he makes a mistake or misses free throws, he gets down, he relaxes and then by him relaxing, his guy comes off and gets a three, or gets a good look or gets to the line."

That's the thing Nick Young struggles with. The challenge being to keep your focus.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

NY has struggled defensively the past 3 gms....against an All-Star/Finals MVP (Manu) and the league leader in Fts and 3pters . Tough stretch. I think Kirk played Martin better than NY. He (kirk) looked like the better defender last night. I wonder if his focus on the defensive end effected his ability to find his teamates last night,0 assts is never good for a starting pg.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 28, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Scorch the earth and start over. Again. Why not?"Posted by: lgm6986

Didn't we do that last season? And just trade the final piece to Orlando?

And the result is what we're watching right now.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I totally agree with skinsfan09. Why is nobody pointing the finger at Flip? Okay, we are not the most talented team. But we should not be historically bad. 0-16 on the road? Are you kidding me?!? Too many times we give away games in the 4th quarter. We seem to give up at the first sign of trouble. To me, that is on the coach. If things do not get better we gotta fire him.

Posted by: rapotter | December 28, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"I wonder if his focus on the defensive end effected his ability to find his teamates last night,0 assts is never good for a starting pg.Posted by: lilhollywood10"

With certain players, I think you always have to begin by asking what his role was supposed to be. I didn't see the game, but I wonder if it wasn't something other than assists. Please note that starters Kirk and Nick led the team in scoring and yet produced 0 assists and only 1 turnover (Nick) between them. Wall had 40% of the team's assist total (which wasn't very high), and 3 forwards -- Rashard, Blatche, and Howard -- accounted for the rest.

And yet supposedly the team played well enough to win.

Must have been an odd game to watch.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Kobe and LeBron will probably still get their points -- the goal is to make them work a lot harder for it.

Jose Calderon gets his points and them some against Wizards defense, of course that's probably Javale's fault for some reason.

Flip made some foolish decisions last night that likely cost the team its first road win. Some folks mistake every loss for a deficiency on the players part, it's like a political position for them and not worth arguing. But more independent minded observers can tell the difference between players being unable to execute and a coach not putting them in position to win.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"But more independent minded observers can tell the difference between players being unable to execute and a coach not putting them in position to win.Posted by: divi3"

LOL I think you may have just excluded yourself.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Why is nobody pointing the finger at Flip?"

You're serious? Check out any post from LarryinClintonMD, bulletsfan78, or divi3. They do little else. Except for pointing fingers at Ernie.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I think you may have just excluded yourself.

You could find dozens of posts from me on this site that are highly critical of Blatche, Javale, Nick, whomever. I doubt there is a SINGLE post anywhere in which you lay some blame at Flip's feet or Ernie's.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Going to a 3 guard rotation in the 4th quarter was one of the worst coaching decisions I have seen in a long, long, time. There was no reason to do that. There is no explanation. There are other teams in the league that are not as good as the Wizards, but you can see that they are being coached correctly and you can see the growth of the team as a whole.

I am not seeing the growth and development with Flip that we need to see in order for us to move in the right direction. I am really hoping that a coaching change is made by mid-season or sooner. I also think it is time for a GM change also. This team needs a new direction and a new focus.

Let's start out the new year with a defensive minded coach, a big man asst. coach, and sit JW until he is 100% healthy. Otherwise he is going to hurt himself and be out for the this season and some of next. The writing is on the wall. TL just has to pull the trigger.

It is so frustrating being a fan if this area...It is even more frustrating being a player of the game and having to watch what is going on...

Posted by: TEliasB | December 28, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

With certain players, I think you always have to begin by asking what his role was supposed to be. I didn't see the game, but I wonder if it wasn't something other than assists.

So our starting PGs role wasnt to get any assists? That's laughable, and indicative of the lengths you go to to avoid ever being critical of Hinrich, Flip, or EG.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Samson151:

I would contend that the earth-scorching undertaken after last season was insufficient and that the piece traded to Orlando was in fact not the last piece.

They need to back the truck up and dropp all but just a few players and basketball operations people into it and drive off into the sunset the way Abe and MJ did a few years ago (maybe not with the top down as they did).

I just want to know who really likes this organization and how it's run?

Posted by: lgm6986 | December 28, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"So our starting PGs role wasnt to get any assists? That's laughable, and indicative of the lengths you go to to avoid ever being critical of Hinrich, Flip, or EG.Posted by: divi3"

Please note the (un)subtle distortion of what I said. What had the coaches told Kirk to do? Was it something other than accumulating assists (which we know he can do). Did he accomplish it?

Indicative of the lengths some folks will go to avoid thinking.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Samson151:I would contend that the earth-scorching undertaken after last season was insufficient..."Posted by: lgm6986

I would contend that what we're seeing -- and griping about -- right now is the result of a sort of scorched earth plan that began after the Arenas incident last season.

In other words, this is what happens when you go down that road. And yet, periodically, teams choose to do it.

Look at it this way: the Wiz were lucky. They got John Wall. They're now attempting to build something around that. Let's hope they succeed.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"There was no reason to do that. There is no explanation."

I always see it as a good idea to ask for an explanation before deciding there isnt one. Anybody check with Flip about his thinking? Maybe Mike Lee could ask for us.

"There are other teams in the league that are not as good as the Wizards..."

OK, this one confused me. Lots of teams that are not as good as the Wiz? Better list them. Looked to me (and to some other observers as well) like he Wiz were firmly in the bottom 5. Possibly lower.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

i hope they fire slip, but dont let the replacement intirm coach be as horrible as ED TAPSCOTT

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 28, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"You could find dozens of posts from me on this site that are highly critical of Blatche, Javale, Nick, whomever. I doubt there is a SINGLE post anywhere in which you lay some blame at Flip's feet or Ernie's.
Posted by: divi3"

I must have missed those 'dozens' of posts where you're 'highly critical' of those players.

As far as me criticizing management, why should I? You, bulletsfan78, and LarryinClinton never stop.

Should occur to you that if you folks laid off the interminable one-sided attacks, I wouldn't have to object to them.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

It's time for Flip the Dip to be evaluated and I agree that Mcgee needs to play more.
Ted, as a fan you can not be happy with the way this team is run and as the owner it is up to you to do something about it.

Posted by: bobilly1 | December 28, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

There's some shuffling in the lottery projections for next year. We've reached the point in the season where scouts have seen enough of the current crop to figure out who might go in the top five. It'll continue to shuffle through the tournament, but the key players won't change too much.

Harrison Barnes of UNC has dropped from the top on a number of mocks. He was never supposed to be a dominant player, but attracted a lot of interest because of his skills and maturity. Small forwards usually don't earn the top spot unless they're truly exceptional -- too many others out there. But he likely will stay in the top 3 or 4.

Perry Jones of Baylor has jumped above Barnes in some places but I'm not sure why. He's averaging 13 points, 8.5 boards, and a block per game. A great athlete but only about 220, light for a PF.

Kyrie Irving might have been on top after the first few games but now scouts are wondering if he doesn't stay at Duke another year to show he's health. It'll be a big decision: leave and grab possibly less cash, or risk another year in college in hopes of being the top pick?

Jared Sullinger of OSU, would seem to fill a particular need for the Wiz, but he's only 6'8" and would likely need some adjustment time in the pros, where everybody's taller. But he's really, really strong, and a lot more skilled than Seraphin.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

With certain players, I think you always have to begin by asking what his role was supposed to be. I didn't see the game, but I wonder if it wasn't something other than assists

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

our starting pg isn't supposed to distribute the rock. His "role" being something other than assists? One of the weirdest comments you've made to date. I dunno his role either, but i do know what position he plays. If you don't think it's part of your starting pg's "role" to get other players involved in the offense and YES get at least 1 ASSIST, then i dunno what to tell you other than, maybe on a given night it's not AB's role to protect the rim and stop his man from scoring at will since we're just talkin out our A$$.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 28, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"So our starting PGs role wasnt to get any assists? That's laughable, and indicative of the lengths you go to to avoid ever being critical of Hinrich, Flip, or EG.Posted by: divi3"

Please note the (un)subtle distortion of what I said. What had the coaches told Kirk to do? Was it something other than accumulating assists (which we know he can do). Did he accomplish it?

Indicative of the lengths some folks will go to avoid thinking.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 28, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

are you implying that the coaches possibly asked Kirk Hinrich, a player you label as highly capable of accumulating assists, to focus on scoring (something he doesn't do as well) instead of getting his teammates involved. I think folks are trying to figure out how you're gonna spin a starting NBA pg not getting 1 asst into something other than an indictment on that player's game (not overall game just 1 game). BTW if in fact flip and the gang told our pg who is highly capable of accumulating assists to lay off the sharing of the ball, one would definitely point to that bit of coaching as a key component to losing the game (among other things, but not to be left out). He shot more than the Shooting Guard Forchristsakes, maybe they do need to disclose their "roles" after the games, cuz I'm pretty sure Kirk thought he was a sg last night. Which is a crazy role for Flip to have him in cuz you know NY ain't passing it.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 28, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep it in perspective a bit about our cast of characters.

BF78 = Gleefully pounces on anything to blame Ernie; comes across like a 3-year old in the way he twists everything and has an unclever snarky, snide comment. Doesn't seem to actually like the team. Will be snide at all costs.

Larry = Seems to get drunk and then pound out irrational, winding, pseudo-psych-babble, which always blames Flip and/or touts Shaun Livingston, with the ocassional literary reference, regardless of facts. Writes sentences which make no sense. Will blame Flip at all costs.

Divi = Used to be totally rational and reasonable. Unreasonably hated the draft day moves and has become somewhat bitter since. Still not remotely in BF78's or Larry's camp. Seems to blame players and coaches equally.

Samson = Used to be totally rational and reasonable. Recently, seems to be pulling a kalorama and picking fights with people by being annoying and holier-than-thou. Seems to blame players and coaches equally.

In other words, neither of you guys is anywhere in the same league as BF78 or Larry. Nor in the same league as DCMan, or darmaandgreg, or ALL CAPS GUY. This can be a good site, but let's not blur the line between the quality posters and the irrational ranting ones. (And I still consider you guys in the former camp, despite this bickering.)

Posted by: Urnesto | December 28, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Who cares? I stopped watching NBA basketball when they started using sound effects during the game. It all started with the Orlando Magic, with the chimes after a made basket. I think that was about 5 inches ago on the shorts' inseam.

Posted by: dgrom001 | December 28, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Samson151,

Technically any team with a worst record is not as good as the Wizards so I don't have to list the names. You can research that yourself. However, Sacramento for one does not have as good a record as the Wiz, but when I watch them play I do see improvement with the younger players. If they were in the east they would have a better record. I do not see that same progression with the younger Wiz players.

It doesn't matter what Flip's reason was for making the 3 guard substitution in the 4th quarter because he has made so many bad decisions regarding the rotation patterns prior to this game. The flow of the game and the players in the game for the opposing team in the 4th quarter dictated the need for size from the Wiz, not speed. We needed more size in the game.

Hopefully I answered you question. If not, then maybe Flip can...LOL!!

Posted by: TEliasB | December 28, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"... But he's really, really strong, and a lot more skilled than Seraphin"

Posted by: Samson151

Because everybody in the world has more skills than Seraphin.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | December 28, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

why are most zard fans so tolerant of this coach and gm?especially the gm,who has done absotively,posolutely nothing since he's been here but keep the team mired in mediocrity at best.you called for eddie jordans head,even after he took you to the playoffs .flip has done nothing,and will do nothing other than whats been done so far.its time to wake up and shed that bigotry people,especially if you care about winning.lets hope that magic johnson will be here next year in some capacity,and hopefully bring some of that laker dust with him.

Posted by: billydee123 | December 28, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"flip has done nothing,and will do nothing other than whats been done so far.its time to wake up and shed that bigotry people,especially if you care about winning."

Posted by: billydee123 | December 28, 2010 2:23 PM

"Bigotry"?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 28, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

So which club in DC were these fools fighting in? They don't care about winning...cause yo, they gots the money, all the ho's dez wants, the Bentley, Cyrstal and some 420 fun.

Posted by: nowhine | December 28, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Keep loosing Wiz it is the best thing that can happen to you this year. With out another top 3 pick and some luck with that pick you will not get good.

Posted by: wstclair | December 28, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

So which club in DC were these fools fighting in? They don't care about winning...cause yo, they gots the money, all the ho's dez wants, the Bentley, Cyrstal and some 420 fun.

Posted by: nowhine | December 28, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

yall can be so funny sometimes. jealous cuz these kids are getting more money than you (or I) ever will see. You gotta come better than that weak stuff holmes. Bentleys and Cristal (if you can't spell it you can't afford it) are so pase in the world of young black millionaires. Get up to speed Jethroe.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 28, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The fact that this team was up by 10 in the 4th and lost the game, shows that they are not coached properly, mentally and strategically. This is a cioaching issue, not a player issue. Flip should go!

Posted by: venky1 |


What coach is good enough for Wizards fans after they loose? Fire Flip then what? Who do you hire? Phil Jackson is not coming. Oh I know, Jeff Van Gundy right? After a couple of loosing streaks you will be saying Jeff should go! We dont deserve a winner.

Posted by: ged0386 | December 28, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

getjiggly2

According to DC sports fans, everybody needs to go, except them. How long will it take for fickle fans to turn on the Caps coach? The problem with DC is that the owners actually listen to the fickle fan base who wants to punish everyone involved in a losing situation by firing them so every other year the skins, Wizards Orioles and Nats get new players and or coaches continue to lose, then blow up the team in two years. Thats the sign of a bad team who spends too much time trying to please its fan base rather than taking their time and building a sound franchise. After we fire flip, Jim and Mike no other big names will want to coach, play for or manage any DC franchise.

Posted by: ged0386 | December 28, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Flip's like most of the coaches in the league. Give him talent and he'll win his share of games. There are very few coaches who maximize what they have to work with (Gregg Popovich and Jerry Sloan come to mind). Give Flip the Miami Heat roster or the Dallas roster or San Antonio or Boston or Orlando and the team will win a lot more than it loses. Give Doc Rivers or Scott Brooks or Rick Adelman the Wizards roster and the team would still stink.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 28, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

"yall can be so funny sometimes. jealous cuz these kids are getting more money than you (or I) ever will see. You gotta come better than that weak stuff holmes."

Whachta you talkin 'bout Willis??? Chances are very great that when they are done playing.....they are broke within 3 or 4 years anyhow. Happens to LOTS of them...bad investments, child support for 10 kids or so (aka Shawn Kemp), legal fees, alimony, hanger-ons draining them...yadayada...

Posted by: nowhine | December 28, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Honestly everyone, it really can't get much worse than this.

Posted by: larryrob | December 28, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

This is a roster of ineffective players put together by a GM who has mismanaged the the roster and the team during his entire run. It gives me little faith in the future of the Wizards to have an owner who keeps a GM with this resume around. What is his strategy? Be so bad that you may get a LeBron or better yet and MJ in the lottery. Couldn't we all succeed just as well with such a philosophy?

Posted by: mhenrikse | December 28, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

If we fire our coach every time the Wizards lay down in the fourth quarter, we're gonna run through all the available NBA assistants before March is up.

Yeah, the rotation at the end sucked, but wow, that's a fireable offense? If the Wizards team was talent rich and occaisionally consistent, I might get the indignation. But gosh, the fact that Flip had them playing well for 3 quaters should count for something. That's one more than they usually do on the road!

Posted by: ndickover | December 29, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

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