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Posted at 8:05 AM ET, 12/31/2010

Preparing for Indiana -- again

By Gene Wang
Morning brew

The Washington Wizards go for their first road win of the season this afternoon against the same team they beat handily just two days ago. Does that give the advantage to the Wizards or the Pacers, who no doubt will have payback in mind?

"It could be both ways," said guard Nick Young, who scored a game-high 25 points in Washington's 104-90 victory on Wednesday that ended a three-game losing streak. "They're keying on different things, and you know, we've played them once, and it's always tough to play the same team twice. Once they know what you're going to do, they're going to try to stop it."

What the Wizards did in their victory was play tenacious defense and make timely shots in the fourth quarter, including Young drawing a pair of charging calls, to withstand the Pacers' comeback bid. Indiana trimmed the deficit to eight points, but unlike in its previous game, Washington didn't let it get any closer than that.

The Wizards led by at least 12 points the rest of the way thanks not only to Young but also to sharp-shooting from seldom-used reserve guard Cartier Martin, who scored eight points in the fourth quarter, including 2 of 2 from three-point range. Martin finished with 11 points.

Washington is 0-15 on the road this season and remains the only NBA club without a road victory. In their last road game, the Wizards had a 10-point lead against Houston before collapsing in a 100-93 loss.

"It's a great opportunity," Wizards rookie point guard John Wall said of winning on the road. "We know it's going to be tough playing then. They're a great three-point shooting team that pushes the ball after every made basket. We're just going to try to execute our game plan that coach gave us, and I think we did a great job of that and moving the ball and sticking to the game plan [on Wednesday]. We didn't shoot a great percentage, but we did a great job on defense."

Wall finished with 10 points, 12 assists and 7 rebounds against the Pacers and had just two turnovers in 35 minutes. The No. 1 overall pick played a bit more than expected because Kirk Hinrich, who had been starting for Wall while he was mending from a bone bruise in his right knee, played just 12 minutes before suffering a contusion in his left thigh.

It's also unclear whether Coach Flip Saunders will be able to coach today. Saunders missed team activities over the past two days because of a family emergency involving his mother, and top assistant Randy Wittman has been filling in. He will do so today again if necessary.

FROM THE POST
The Wizards' next chance to end its 15-game losing streak on the road is today at 3 p.m. in Indiana.

AROUND THE WEB
For DCist, Kyle Weidie praises John Wall's infectious emotion.

At Truth About It, Weidie describes how Indiana's Josh McRoberts got dirty with Wall.

CSNWashington.com's Frank Hanrahan asks: Are the Wizards turning a corner?

CBSsports.com's Ken Berger says the Nets are backing off their pursuit of Carmelo Anthony. Berger also reports that Brandon Roy is considering shutting down for the season to rest his ailing knees.The Trail Blazers later announced that he is out indefinitely.

The Celtics say Kevin Garnett could miss two weeks because of a strained right calf. Before KG's injury was diagnosed, TrueHoop pondered a case of seriousinjuryaphobia.

By Gene Wang  | December 31, 2010; 8:05 AM ET
Categories:  Morning brew  
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Comments

This'll be interesting. If I recall, Indy's only 8-8 at home. Not the sort of home court advantage we faced in SA and Houston. But fourth quarter calls are still unlikely to go the way of the visitors (2 late charging calls for Nick Young? Not gonna happen).

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

SI.com: "The Mavs didn't have Dirk Nowitzki, but that didn't make the Spurs' 99-93 victory Thursday mean any less.

Yes it did.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"LEONSIS is going to let the management team fail before any change. Several years in my book. If the WIZ go through two more, maybe three makeovers and nothing improves, then there will be major changes in the front office. Until then players will come and go.Posted by: glawrence007"

I sincerely doubt that. Ted's a businessman, not a patient breed. But he bases decisions on 1) his experience, and 2) data, which he analyzes extensively.

Dan Snyder and Abe Pollin (at least in later years) operated more from the gut. Ted's more influenced by the flow of information and analysis. If he resists change, it's because he thinks the data is suggesting that, or not yet conclusive. If he makes a move, it's because he thinks the available analysis is pointing that way.

Doesn't mean that he's always right, however. Nobody is. Just that he has his reasons, and they'll be more logical than, say, Michael Jordan's.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

DEAR LORD PLEASE LETS THIS ROAD DROUGHT END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LET THE NEW YEAR START FRESH.GO WIZ!

Posted by: nikesupastar05 | December 31, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"....or not yet conclusive....." Samson151

Now you're talkin' the truth. When it's blatently obvious to LEONSIS that GRUNFELD and his ops are not effective, most of them will be gone. Or if effective, we get to enjoy the win of a division championship. In any case, that's several years out because right now it's......"not yet conclusive....."

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

".......I sincerely doubt that. Ted's a businessman, not a patient breed. But he bases decisions on 1) his experience, and 2) data, which he analyzes extensively......" Samson151

I disagree with you partly. LEONSIS is very patient for a businessman. He has said as much. The only time caveat I've read from his lips is that this rebuild toward a division championship should not take as long as the NHL because there are fewer players to manipulate. Thus "several" [2-3 years] in my mind.

Your take regarding points 1 and 2, I consider well taken. Any business must take those two avenues to success.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The way I look at it is this. Michael Lee said that we played our most complete game of the season after the last Pacers game but I felt that not one single person had a good shooting night. Indy has been in a slump and losing to us was the final straw.

They will be so motivated & pumped for this game. They are also a talented team who could all be hot at once but I love our chances if we start the Wall-NY backcourt for the 1st time all year with our big frontcourt and having Howard come off the bench with Kirk hopefully back.

The fact is NY is due for a good shooting night, Wall will make Dray & McGee look a ton better, ,both Howard & Shard should shoot better, and we are equally as motivated as Indy to get our 1st road win. I expect to see Wall starting and our atheletes starting to give teams alot of problems running where Gil & Kirk cant. We will get guys like Dray & McGee alot more easier shots in the uptempo game that they prefer

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 31, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

BTH didnt play a single second last night, DNP-CD. Looks like his pouting has him at the very end of the bench, most likely not waving a towel.

Antonio McDyess might be the most under-appreciated player in the league

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I also loved the fact that Whittman played Martin as the backup PG. No one talked about that, not even the journalist but that was a huge part of the game. Hudson has been so suck that its pitiful and we shouldnt keep playing him just because he's a so called real PG because the fact that he isnt any more of a PG then our 2's or 3's and he's probably even worst at it.

His handles arent good enough, he has no vision, and his shot has been way off. If thats the case then just play Martin or Howard as the backup point when Wall or Kirk are hurt, atleast until you get another FA who can really do it. There is a reason why we cut him the 1st time. There was no need to bring him back

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 31, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"Any business must take those two avenues to success.Posted by: glawrence007"

You never know with those Internet bubble babies, however. You can wind up with a legitimately smart businessman like Bill Gates (much as I sometimes dislike him), or a doofus like Meg Whitman. Paul Allen certainly hasn't done that well with the Blazers. Lots of folks got silly rich in that boom, and only some appear to have merited it.

We're lucky Ted got to cut his teeth on the Caps franchise. Pressure when he took that over from fans and media, to begin lopping off heads indiscriminately. He resisted, took his lumps, and eventually was rewarded. But he seems aware that luck played a big part. So far, it's been on his side with the Wiz, too, in the form of John Wall.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Tom Thibodeau

No previous NBA record but he has the Bulls in 4th place with Boozer missing 15 games and Noah being hurt?

Ted since you said you wanted to model the Wizards after the OKC organization, please bring in a young coach next year that the young players can grow with.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 31, 2010 2:20 AM | Report abuse

THIBODEAU spurned our pleas to be retained as WIZARDS coach no less that three times. He made it patently obvious he wanted nothing to do with D.C.

But someone in TT's mould would be truly great for this franchise.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"I also loved the fact that Whittman played Martin as the backup PG. No one talked about that, not even the journalist but that was a huge part of the game."

That's because Cartier's contribution was mostly in other areas. He hit 4 of 6 shots, including 3 of 3 from long range, collected 3 boards, and added a steal, all in 13 minutes. He didn't, however, get an assist or a turnover.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

We can run the floor. That seems to be the type of athlete GRUNFELD has placed at SAUNDERS' disposal, but I'm not sure FLIP has the mind-set for that type of game. Stay tuned because it's...."not yet conclusive."

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Tom Thibodeau
No previous NBA record but he has the Bulls in 4th place with Boozer missing 15 games and Noah being hurt?
Ted since you said you wanted to model the Wizards after the OKC organization, please bring in a young coach next year that the young players can grow with.
Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Another odd, disjointed argument. Tom T.'s the antithesis of a young coach. He turns 53 in a couple weeks, has been coaching in the NBA for two decades. After the '08 season, he was rumored as head coach at both NY and Chicago, but wound up staying in Boston. He went to a Bulls team coming off two consecutive 41-41 seasons (and first round playoff losses). Chicago had signed Boozer, Ronnie Brewer, and Korver during the offseason and was a candidate to contend for a conference title. Injuries to Boozer and now Noah haven't seemed to hamper the team very much, perhaps because at least one has been healthy.

Not a good illustration of the desirability of a young assistant taking over the Wizards.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Michael Lee said that we played our most complete game of the season after the last Pacers game but I felt that not one single person had a good shooting night."

Cartier did. He was really on.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

In the win against the Pacers, I was most intrigued by how we looked when Josh Howard was bringing the ball up the court. He was patient, relaxed, and confident. I felt like I was watching a seasoned point guard get his team into half-court sets during a playoff game.

I hope we continue to experiment with this. Could be very effective in spurts.

It was kind of surreal -- like I was watching a solid, experienced NBA team. I'm just not used to that here -- Big 3 era included.

Posted by: Bellman | December 31, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

That's because Cartier's contribution was mostly in other areas. He hit 4 of 6 shots, including 3 of 3 from long range, collected 3 boards, and added a steal, all in 13 minutes. He didn't, however, get an assist or a turnover.

Didnt Kirk just have a zero assist game? Does that mean he wasn't playing PG?

I'm glad to see at least one other person (dlts2041) saw Cartier play a little PG, thought I had gone crazy

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Today would be a very nice win, the Pacers have to be primed to beat us after Wednesday and beating any team 2x in a row is difficult. Really a chance for the Zards to get past the "moral victory" nonsense and turn recent improvements into tangible results.

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"Didnt Kirk just have a zero assist game? Does that mean he wasn't playing PG?"
Posted by: divi3"

For a big chunk of his minutes, yes. Didn't you read ts35's detailed analysis of it? That's why the uproar over his 0 assist total was a bogus complaint. When your two 'starting' guards each play 38 minutes, represent the team's top two scorers, and yet produce no assists and no turnovers between them, that should immediately make us suspicious. We should begin to drill down rather than jump to conclusions. But jumping to conclusions is what we do best around here...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

someone on another Wiz site pointed out to me that Howard was running the point and this was my response:


I did see Howard at the point sometimes so I could be wrong because I actually wasnt watching the game hard at that time because I was doing something else. I also felt that Howard would be the PG in that case but it looked like to me on the 1st couple of possesions that Martin was bringing it up. Then I did see Howard after that. I dont care who it is, just no Hudson

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 31, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"I'm glad to see at least one other person (dlts2041) saw Cartier play a little PG, thought I had gone crazyPosted by: divi3"

Craziness aside, Cartier handled the ball a little, but his positive impact on the outcome came from his shooting and to a lesser extent, his help on the boards.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Reminder to everyone that the game today is at 3pm.

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 31, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"Really a chance for the Zards to get past the "moral victory" nonsense and turn recent improvements into tangible results."Posted by: divi3"

I must have missed the reference to moral victories. Where did that come from? You're not just making it up, are ya?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Not a good illustration of the desirability of a young assistant taking over the Wizards.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

He may not be young by age, but this is his first head coaching job so he is a young head coach based on his experience...

The problem with hiring a retread like Flip is he wants a veteran team so he can win...like he got with the Pistons, but couldn't win a championship.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 31, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

NO BS, that early start time freaks me out. Its like the curse lives on. I was so sure that this was going to be the day we win 2 in a row for the 1st time all year, we win a road game for the 1st time all year, and start to look like a very solid team from here on out, but now the start time has me wondering. Its like I cant get 1 game all year just perfect how I want it. We use to suck so bad in early day games.

The only good thing is that team we had was old and this team is young so maybe the young guys will have that energy and play well but we usually look slow, sloppy, and flat in these early games. I think Collinson will try to really set the tone for them so Wall has to do the same for us. Shoot, he's fresh out of College so he should be use to those day games and all the other guys should be eager to get that bad shooting display out there mouths

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 31, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

It's also unclear whether Coach Flip Saunders will be able to coach today.

Mike,

Tha's the best you can give me?

I'm in Vegas to celebrate New Years Eve and I was going to put my money on the Wizards if Flip wasn't going to coach today's game.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 31, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"He may not be young by age, but this is his first head coaching job so he is a young head coach based on his experience..."

Can't have it both ways. Somebody who's been coaching in the NBA for twenty-one years is neither particularly young nor inexperienced. So Thibodeau isn't a good example of somebody young enough to grow with the players. That would have been Vinny Del Negro, but Chicago fired him.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

That's why the uproar over his 0 assist total was a bogus complaint.

Obviously any criticism of Kirk's play is bogus in your mind.

I also recall Martin bringing the ball up the floor on a few occasions, and definitely agree I'd rather have him doing it than Hudson if it comes down to that for some reason.

Posted by: divi3 | December 31, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

If he resists change, it's because he thinks the data is suggesting that, or not yet conclusive. If he makes a move, it's because he thinks the available analysis is pointing that way.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

What's not conclusive?

When a GM has been in charge of a team for 7 years and they are 8-22...he sucks.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 31, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

This afternoon's game is a real toss up. Wizzies could win by 20 or lose by 20, nothing in between.
Hope they're not looking forward to the New Year's Eve party and play team ball.
If they win then i guess we'll see a lot of 8th seed talk but that ain't gonna happen this year.
It was very educational to watch the Spurs & Lakers the other night. Showed me how far the Wizzies have to go to be a deep playoff team.

Posted by: VBFan | December 31, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"The problem with hiring a retread like Flip is he wants a veteran team so he can win..."
Posted by: bulletsfan78"

So your argument is that the Wiz can't win because they're not a veteran team? Then what are you complaining about? They're not winning, are they?

You should be happy. Bet against them if you want.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"What's not conclusive?When a GM has been in charge of a team for 7 years and they are 8-22...he sucks.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

I'm guessing Ted looks a little deeper than that. At least let's hope so. Otherwise you might as well have Don Sterling. Now there's an idiot owner for ya.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"It was very educational to watch the Spurs & Lakers the other night. Showed me how far the Wizzies have to go to be a deep playoff team.Posted by: VBFan"

Yes it did. And it's a long way. The Spurs are playing lights out. Problem is, as Popovich keeps saying, the defense is off from previous years. That can make a difference in the playoffs. And it's awfully early for a team to be peaking.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"Obviously any criticism of Kirk's play is bogus in your mind."

Not any criticism. But the criticism you read here frequently is.

" ..definitely agree I'd rather have [Cartier Martin bringing the ball up the floor] than Hudson if it comes down to that for some reason."

Doesn't matter much who brings the ball up the floor. It's what he does with it once it arrives.

Posted by: divi3

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Oops -- forgot to delete the 'posted by' at the end. The thoughts are mine, folks.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Tom T turns 53 in a couple weeks,

So Thibodeau isn't a good example of somebody young enough to grow with the players.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Considering the life expectancy is 77.9 years old the guy could be a head coach for another 15 years.

That's longer then most players are in the league?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 31, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Josh Howard on a 1-year, $4-million contract? To me (at this point), he looks FAR better than I ever would've anticipated coming off an ACL tear.

There are a number of playoff-caliber teams' rotations out west (and maybe Chicago in the east) that he would work in quite nicely with. If I were GM of one of those teams, I'd certainly be inquiring. I wonder if a team in the championship hunt would be willing to part with a 1st round pick (albeit a late one)? That might be a little steep -- but maybe not if a good team winds up with an unfortunate injury at the 3.

I wish we were in a better position to keep him past this year, but probably not going to happen.

Posted by: Bellman | December 31, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Indiana should play better than what we saw the other night. Last game, they were on a back-to-back, and playing their third game in four days. As usual, a lot depends on Wall. That cheap shot by Josh McRoberts should have him coming out hard, and as long as he keeps his head, I like the Wizards' chances.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 31, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

So your argument is that the Wiz can't win because they're not a veteran team? Then what are you complaining about? They're not winning, are they?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

My opinion is a young team can win if that team has the right GM making the right draft picks and the right coach

Yes I believe Flip has lost intrest in coaching a young team but since no team other then the Wizards hired him he willing to take the pay check.

and I'm sure the players understand that Flip has lost intrest which is why they give up on him and lose by 20 points.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 31, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I wish we were in a better position to keep him past this year, but probably not going to happen. Posted by: Bellman

I think Howard would have to waive his Bird rights in order to be traded. Most players don't want to do that, and the Wizards may want to S&T him after the new CBA is worked out.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 31, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Considering the life expectancy is 77.9 years old the guy could be a head coach for another 15 years.That's longer then most players are in the league?Posted by: bulletsfan78"

I can see it now: "69 year old Tom Thibodeau boogies down at Derrick Rose's retirement party..."

Somebody played the penny slots deep into the night...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"and I'm sure the players understand that Flip has lost intrest which is why they give up on him and lose by 20 points. Posted by: bulletsfan78"

It's weird how bulletsfan78 just states this stuff without a shred of evidence to support it. Maybe he thinks we're all too stoned to notice.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Addition of Josh Howard and Rashard Lewis and subtraction of Gilbert Arenas -- so far, it's improved the Wizards. And Gil seems to be helping Orlando a little.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Somebody played the penny slots deep into the night...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Penny Slots?

I can see the type of places you stay at considering they still have penny slots.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 31, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I think Howard would have to waive his Bird rights in order to be traded. Most players don't want to do that, and the Wizards may want to S&T him after the new CBA is worked out. Posted by: djnnnou

-------------------------------------------

True. Good points.

Posted by: Bellman | December 31, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Addition of Josh Howard and Rashard Lewis and subtraction of Gilbert Arenas -- so far, it's improved the Wizards. And Gil seems to be helping Orlando a little."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 1:44 PM

That may end up being one of those rare trades that actually helps both teams.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"I think Howard would have to waive his Bird rights in order to be traded. Most players don't want to do that, and the Wizards may want to S&T him after the new CBA is worked out."

Posted by: djnnnou | December 31, 2010 1:32 PM

Howard doesn't have any bird rights. When the Wizards declined to pick up the $11 mill yr. option on the final year of the contract Dallas signed him to, he became an unrestricted FA. The 1-year deal the Wiz signed him to is a new deal unconnected to any previous, meaning he has no Bird Rights.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"I can see the type of places you stay at considering they still have penny slots.
Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Clue ship arrives -- penny slots are the resurgent thing in gambling. Excuse me -- 'gaming'.

When people are mostly broke, the casinos have to reach a little deeper into their pockets for their profits.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 31, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"THIBODEAU spurned our pleas to be retained as WIZARDS coach no less that three times. He made it patently obvious he wanted nothing to do with D.C."

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2010 11:44 AM

What "spurned pleas"? Thibadeau accepted a position to be a Wizards assistant and worked out a deal, then backed out before signing it when he got to town and realized that Grunfeld was basically using him as a pawn in his juvenile little pissing war/turf battle with Eddie Jordan. So he clearly did "want something to to do with D.C." at some point.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't Josh Howard's Bird Rights become re-established once he signed the new 1-year deal?

Posted by: Bellman | December 31, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Howard doesn't have any bird rights.

OK, then Howard must give his consent to be traded before 2/17, and if he does he will lose his ability to have Bird rights at the end of his current contract. So, the Wizards can deal him just before the 2/24 trade deadline, or wait.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 31, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Wouldn't Josh Howard's Bird Rights become re-established once he signed the new 1-year deal?"

Posted by: Bellman | December 31, 2010 3:01 PM

"OK, then Howard must give his consent to be traded before 2/17, and if he does he will lose his ability to have Bird rights at the end of his current contract. So, the Wizards can deal him just before the 2/24 trade deadline, or wait."

Posted by: djnnnou | December 31, 2010 3:10 PM

Nope. He cannot and will not have any Bird Rights at the end of his current 1-year contract under any circumstances, so there's nothing to waive. When the Wizards declined to pick up the 1-year/$11 mill option on his previous deal, they effectively renounced all of his rights (Bird and otherwise) making him an unrestricted FA. Any new deal he signed after that reset the Bird clock to zero.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 31, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Nope. He cannot and will not have any Bird Rights at the end of his current 1-year contract under any circumstances

ESPN Trade Machine and RealGM Trade Checker say otherwise.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 31, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

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