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Posted at 6:55 PM ET, 12/ 3/2010

Open thread Wizards (5-12) vs Trail Blazers (8-10)

By Michael Lee

John Wall is back in the starting lineup, with Gilbert Arenas returning to the bench. Arenas had started the previous eight games, with Wall missing six of them. Wall came off the bench as the Wizards lost 128-109 in Toronto on Wednesday. Nick Young had complained about his thigh hurting after that loss, but he did it in true Nick Young fashion -- by joking about it. As he walked out of the locker room, Young wanted a group of Toronto reporters to know that Raptors guard DeMar DeRozan was the culprit. "My USC guy did it to me," Young said after scoring nine points, which ended at five his string of consecutive games in double digits. Young explained that DeRozan's knee had banged into his thigh. Now Young will move to the inactive list for the first time this season. Yi Jianlian has been activated after missing the previous nine games with a hyperextended right knee. Chat about the game in the comments below, or join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 7 p.m.; TV: CSN+; Radio: 106.7 FM.


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Hinrich is starting tonight with Gil on the bench.


Wow, I knew it. Flip is an idiot. I bet Gil is even dumb enough to suggest it because he's never right in the head either. Still, the coach should overide it. Now we have our Max money guy sitting on the bench where his value also gets killed and no way it helps us get wins. I heard Flip say that Kirk has to play because he's our best perimiter defender. Has he been watching him? This is such a joke. Even if we win & Gil plays well, its still a joke. There is no way you put him on the bench for Kirk Hinrich. No other coach in the league would do that. We still havent one time yet seen Gil start with Wall without Kirk. The #1 thing everyone in the league wanted to see all Offseason and we refuse to show it. Joke

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 3, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

So far I'm most encouraged by the rebounding and discouraged by the turnovers. Looks to me like Portland plays pretty good defense.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 3, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Flip WANTS to be fired.

Posted by: and_1 | December 3, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Why was Nick Young deactivated for this game?

Posted by: bobilly2 | December 3, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

7 minutes left and saunders still has Javale on the bench.

Posted by: bobilly2 | December 3, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Never mind about Nick Young.

Posted by: bobilly2 | December 3, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse


Under the inspirational and relentless leadership of Ernest Grunfeld, the Wizards will play well tonight and might, just might, win. The pieces are in place and the haters can just fall back.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 3, 2010 8:37 AM

Can Ernest get a team ready to play or what?

I don't like Flip starting Wall with two reluctant shooters in Hinrich and Gee, but I guess we all have to be patient while Flip SLOWLY figures things out.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 3, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

PART 1


Good Win, But........

you already know what Im going to talk about. I just dont get why Kirk has to start over Gil. Kirk is the perfect backup PG. Look at our starting lineup tonight. We dont have 1 consistent scorer on the floor. Our 2 most money scorers are Gil & NY and Flip wants to bring both off the bench. We have to depend on guys like Wall or McGee or Kirk or Gee or Dray to score for us? Just start Gil. It makes so much more sense. I also think its becoming clearer that Gil & Wall "can" play together like I said. Wall just needs to get his timing back & Gil just needs his J to start falling again.

The thing Im most upset about is the sked. We are going out West right now. If youve followed the Wiz then you know Gil always finds his rythm out West. You going to put him on the bench against a running team like the Suns who has Nash or either Gil's boy Richardson to guard him? He always goes off in situations like that. Then going back home to LA to play the Lakers? Thats 2 places he dropped 54 & 60pts and we bring him off the bench. No PG the Lakers have can guard a motivated Gil and Kobe is too big to guard him.

Then we go to Sac? That sked has the Arenas takeover written all over it. He could single handily keep us in those games or win those games but we want him on the bench for Kirk and we want us to start off looking like crap every game. Starting every game with Wall wanting to pass but having no go to scorer to pass it to. Then he has to be the go to scorer which he is not. Then we end up bringing Gil in anyways because we havent gotten anything going. Just start the normal lineup Flip, you idiot.

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 3, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

PART 2

I just could see Gil & Wall looking great out West in uptempo games. We could start looking like a different team. Look at that lineup & rotations tonight. We arent going to win hardly any games like that and if we do, it will all be stressful dog fights. We already have NY for the bench scoring. NY & Kirk are a great match on the bench together. I just dont get it. Its just setting everything back. Then by time he switches it up, everything will be too far gone. We will already be in suck mode.

I mean, are we seriously going to have Gil benched for Hinrich? Again, this isnt a Hinrich diss. He can play but his role on this team is the backup PG, not the starting 2 you fool, espically when we have no consistent scorers in the starting unit. I could see us being explosive if Wall & Gil get going at the same time with guys like Dray & McGee in the frontcourt. It sholdnt even be for debate. Gil's playing very well right now except his J is way off. You know one of these games he's going to get it back and we are going to waste that. It doesnt make sense.

Gil can do things like Lebron did the other night as far as having a 20pt quarter. Kirk isnt capable of that. Why Flip? Ive said all along that its going to take a Hinrich injury for him to be put in his proper role and I dont want to wish injuries on anyone but thats just how dumb Flip is right now. It makes no sense. Gil starting with Kirk & NY on the bench is just the perfect mix. Our team would look night & day with that group but maybe Flip is just tanking it or something. If youre going to tank, it would help to build up Gil's stock in the process though

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 3, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

lol, did you hear what Flip just said? He's such a tool. He talked about how Gil talked with Sam before the season about wanting to come off the bench and how it would be best for the team but when it came around to really doing it, I dont know if he still felt that way.

Basically its just what I thought. Gil was saying that stuff just to be a good team guy but didnt think Flip was dumb enough to really do it, espically after he had been in the starting lineup all this time now and has had some big games. Atleast bench him for a star or a guy like Wall but you dont bench him for Hinrich.

He could play well out West but it still wont be what it couldve been if starting. If he gets 30 off the bench against the Suns, that is a game where he wouldve got 45 if he was starting but Flip will be too dumb to even realize that

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 3, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse


Wizards shot three times as many FTs as Portland...that's what I call a little bit of home cooking, NBA-style...of course the flip-side of that is that life is going to stink for the Wizards while they're on the road...refs swallowed their whistles on some pretty obvious calls on the home team tonight.

Posted by: 2020doc | December 3, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

i think starting is way overrated ... I think Gil really belongs in the eccentric niche of a 6th man .... guys like Jason Terry, Manu, Ben Gordon is what we can expect from Gil ...

This is a great role for Arenas ... he requires a different type of mindset, in this situation based on his personal history with the org., it's perfect ...

we just need a string of at least 5-10 games where, we are committed to this line-up ...

Posted by: BulletsForEva | December 3, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

i think starting is way overrated ... I think Gil really belongs in the eccentric niche of a 6th man .... guys like Jason Terry, Manu, Ben Gordon is what we can expect from Gil ...

This is a great role for Arenas ... he requires a different type of mindset, in this situation based on his personal history with the org., it's perfect ...

we just need a string of at least 5-10 games where, we are committed to this line-up ...

Posted by: BulletsForEva | December 3, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

i think starting is way overrated ... I think Gil really belongs in the eccentric niche of a 6th man .... guys like Jason Terry, Manu, Ben Gordon is what we can expect from Gil ...

This is a great role for Arenas ... he requires a different type of mindset, in this situation based on his personal history with the org., it's perfect ...

we just need a string of at least 5-10 games where, we are committed to this line-up ...

Posted by: BulletsForEva | December 3, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

i think starting is way overrated ... I think Gil really belongs in the eccentric niche of a 6th man .... guys like Jason Terry, Manu, Ben Gordon is what we can expect from Gil ...

This is a great role for Arenas ... he requires a different type of mindset, in this situation based on his personal history with the org., it's perfect ...

we just need a string of at least 5-10 games where, we are committed to this line-up ...

Posted by: BulletsForEva | December 3, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

dlts2041

I agree with everything you said. The problem is Gil is making it easy for Flip to bench him by a. saying that is was okay and b. struggling with his shooting. If Gil were shooting say, 45% or better from the field, he'd be in the starting lineup. Period. Flip is just a dud as a coach. Flip's master plan has been for Hinrich to start from Day 1. And he's going to do it, come hell or high water.

Flip always talks about scoring from the bench but what about scoring in the starting unit? The talent on this team is NOT being utilized to the fullest extent. John Wall is a pass-first PG with limited shooting range and what does Flip do? He pairs him with another pass-first PG (Hinrich) and a D-League SF (Gee) who has NO outside shot and no offensive moves. The defense sagged off Wall and made him a shooter. That does not maximize his talent.

Posted by: 2020doc | December 3, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

i think starting is way overrated ... I think Gil really belongs in the eccentric niche of a 6th man .... guys like Jason Terry, Manu, Ben Gordon is what we can expect from Gil ...

This is a great role for Arenas ... he requires a different type of mindset, in this situation based on his personal history with the org., it's perfect ...

we just need a string of at least 5-10 games where, we are committed to this line-up ...

Posted by: BulletsForEva | December 3, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

dlts2041,

I see you're cross-posting on RealGM... at any rate, I agree with you to an extent, but as 2020doc said: Gil's making it easy on Flip to keep him on the bench.

I'm a big a fan of Gil as any (I still sport my Gil 0's at the gym), but I find his play thus far a little disappointing. I realize he's still working himself back into form, but his entire demeanor appears to be lacking intensity. He isn't having problems getting his shot off or driving into the lane, but to me he is playing very passively and with a low basketball IQ. In my opinion, a passive Gilbert is an unproductive Gilbert. At times he is so cavalier with the ball and his shot selection that he could be accused of point-shaving.

Gil is still our best talent when he wants to play, but he has not demonstrated that talent consistently. How many games has he been the difference between a win or loss? It could be argued that he has cost us a couple games and provided mediocre support in games we've won. He also is not demonstrating the kind of veteran leadership one might expect from a player of his stature. Given his current performance, he is likely to continue to come off the bench.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 3, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

"Wizards shot three times as many FTs as Portland..."Posted by: 2020doc"

What? Portland shot 12 FTs, the Wiz 26. Ratio was 2.16. That's a long way from tripled, bwana.

Interesting thing IMO was Portland launching 21 more FG attempts than the Wiz, but winding up with only one more FG. We might actually have played a little defense tonight.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 3, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"you already know what Im going to talk about. posted by dlts2041"

LOL yes we do.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 3, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

To all you posters who are disappointed because the Wiz won tonight without help from Gil or Nick -- take heart, there'll be plenty more losses for you to complain about.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 3, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

To all you posters who are disappointed because the Wiz won tonight without help from Gil or Nick -- take heart, there'll be plenty more losses for you to complain about.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 3, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game, what are you talking about. Arenas had 15 points and 6 assists. You need to stop protecting your boy Hinrich, who is only starting because of the clowns running this outfit. He simply is the token white boy.

Posted by: NewManagement | December 4, 2010 4:09 AM | Report abuse

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