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Posted at 10:23 PM ET, 12/ 7/2010

Open thread: Wizards (6-13) at Lakers (14-6)

By Michael Lee

Andray Blatche and Kirk Hinrich were the only Wizards to start the first 19 games of the season, but neither will be among the first five as the team faces the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday. Blatche is out with a left hip contusion, which will give Yi Jianlian his first start of the season, and Hinrich has been replaced by Gilbert Arenas. Al Thornton will also start in place of Alonzo Gee. Yi, Arenas, Thornton and John Wall have all missed games this season because of injury. "We're going to have four guys on the floor that basically have been hurt a lot. It's not the best of things to do against the reigning world champs." Chat about the game in the comments below, or join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

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By Michael Lee  | December 7, 2010; 10:23 PM ET
Categories:  Andray Blatche, Flip Saunders, John Wall, Kirk Hinrich, Yi Jianlian  
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Comments

Why do the Wizards injuries seem to come out of the blue? We heard nothing about Blatch, Hinrich or even Young being injured when he was out until right before the start of the game. This is ridiculous.

Posted by: ptp09 | December 7, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I guess this is the moment Odom has been waiting for, or McGee. It is time for Odom to show McGee that basketball is a bit more than just Run and Jump. This ought to be interesting.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 7, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Puts Gill back in the game with Gill, McGee, Young, Yi, and Wall, then in the next minute he subs Hinrich for Wall and the Lakes go on 10 - l run.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 7, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Flip is an idiot. Yi has been horrible, yet he's playing more then anyone. He looks so slow & inept on defense and going for boards. Keep Booker in the game. Then the other thing goes back to what I keep saying. We are so much better without Kirk. He's solid but we have too many guys. We would be so much better with a 3 guard rotation of NY, Gil, & Wall. What will we do when Howard comes back and we have Thorton? Gil is playing well and then has to sit because of Kirk. Then Wall goes off and has to sit because of Kirk. Its stupid. Its one guy too many.

Then it also keeps us small all the time. Without him we would have NY in at the 2 alot and be normal sized alot. I just dont like it. I hated the trade because of that. We always have to worry about playing Kirk and it will be even worst now that we are getting healthy and then Josh comes back. People will get shorted because Kirk has to get his minutes when he really fits the least out of all the guys. I said before the year that I hope there isnt politics and that if NY is better then Kirk then he should get the minutes. Sure enough its coming to that and I dont think Wall, Gil, or NY should get there time cut. It should be Kirk.

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 7, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

69 pts. allowed in the first half -- I think the Bullets have what it takes to go 0-41 on the road. They have the talent. They have the leadership. They have the committment. This is Bullets basketball!

Posted by: jwing14 | December 7, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Even Thorton played well early but only gets 8min and doesnt return. You can say what you want about NY playing well but Al wouldve still played more if we didnt have to worry about getting Kirk his run and it wouldve kept us bigger in the process. It just hurts everything

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 7, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Get that inhaler out McGee! Flip should try switching the bigs defensive assignments like he did with Memphis. Yi on Gasol and McGee on Odom.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 7, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

Do you ever pay attention to anything? Wall had played virtually the entire game before he got pulled more than halfway through the second quarter. Think he might have needed a rest??? Nah...pay attention before you spout off nonsense.

DLTS,

I agree with you about one thing - the only time the paint was not a layup or offensive rebound fest was when Booker was in the game. The guy plays very smart sound basketball and plays perfectly within his abilities and plays smart. He is the player people in here people should be whining about getting more PT. Not NY moving to starting SF, which is about the dumbest thing I've read in here. For 4 long years, the team has waited for NY to play like this consistently and numbskulls in here not only want him to start, but start out of position. Good Lord!!! This is the same player that used to be so fragile he tanked when his first or second shot didn't fall and you want to mess up the groove he is in now? Really? How stupid!

Finally, McGee is back to being atrocious. Is there a dumber C in the NBA? He is so clueless sometimes. I don't ever want to hear how he is somehow a deterrent in the paint. The only thing he prevents is defensive rebounds and guys settling for outside shots. The Lakers just used and abused him that first half. I was laughing at how bad he played. And, yes, Yi was pathetic as well. Yi and McGee is a recipe for 60% shooting for sure.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 7, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Did I mention Booker plays smart basketball?...lol

And, he is just as young as the other players on this team, but plays with so much more maturity. McGee, Blatche, NY (until recently), etc. all some of the dumbest players I've seen. Even Wall has not impressed me with any sort of overall basketball intelligence. With him, it's open court speed or bust. Half court he has not looked like a number one pick virtually

McGee commits another retarded foul right after a stupid offensive goaltending on a shot that was not going in bc Yi had already blocked it. It's the dumb and dumber front court right now. The growing pains with this team are going to be rough. I just don't know that anyone makes it besides Wall, which I definitely think he will eventually.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Of course Young isn't playing. It would be silly to have your most effective player on the floor while the game is still competitive.

Posted by: doogiex | December 8, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Al Thornton is horribly inconsistent as a player. He is just a bigger version of Ledell Eackles. Another not so brilliant player too I might add.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

rphilli721, no, Wall did not need to be taken out the game when the Wiz had pulled back to within 4 pts and he had not played the entire game. In fact he went to the bench before Gill and had a nice rest before he came back in the second when they went on there run.

RP, you is anything.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 8, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Ah, right...he is a much better player than GA.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

He was WINDED. I was watching him breathing as the buzzer went off to replace him. I pay attention you don't!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

He's played 26 out of 33 mins thus far. Second only to Gasol, barely. Is that not enough for you? In your next breath, you'll be talking about Wall playing too many mins at such a young age or something ridiculous. As if the Wiz would win the game if only he was not substituted for.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

NY is ridiculous.

Posted by: doogiex | December 8, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Seraphin and Booker playing like men in the middle - what a sight for sore eyes!!! Was tired of the woosy play of Yi and McGee. There is talent on this team for sure.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Britt Robson on the Blatche contract (SI.com) --

"With 20/20 hindsight, we know that Gilbert Arenas' contract is a disaster; what's dumbfounding is how management could compound its salary woes -- and damage the team's future -- with the Andray Blatche extension. Blatche, an athletic 6-11 forward, exhibits the worst shot selection of any significant scorer in the NBA. Although he consistently converts better than 60 percent of his shot attempts at the rim, Blatche chooses to launch jumpers 62 percent of the time, on which he has an effective field-goal percentage of only 35.0. He also has the Wizards' lowest effective field-goal percentage on shots taken in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock -- a sign that he's missing a lot of layups in transition and jacking up too many quick jumpers. To ensure that this offensive saboteur plays with John Wall's sanity through the 2014-2015 season, the Wizards added three years and $28 million to Blatche's contract in September, keeping him from becoming a free agent in 2012."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

"Wow, Seraphin and Booker playing like men in the middle - what a sight for sore eyes!!! Was tired of the woosy play of Yi and McGee."Posted by: rphilli721

LOL you're going to get some grief for that comment, f'sure.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Seraphin and Booker provide some much needed toughness and grit to this team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I remember when Shannon Brown couldn't hit a jumper to save his life -- now look at him.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

lol...for what, McGee comes in the game and proceeds to make a couple of the dumbest plays of the game. No surprise there really. I see no thought process as he plays whatsoever. The silver lining of this game will be that Seraphin and Booker have proven they deserve more floor time and maybe as a tandem. They sparked the second half run. Can Seraphin suck up a basketball or what? And, when was the last time a Wizard mixed it up with Ron Artest?

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

OMG Seraphin just clobbers Artest as he was attempting a layup!!! I think he is officially my favorite player to root for on the team with Booker a close second.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"McGee comes in the game and proceeds to make a couple of the dumbest plays of the game."

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 12:41 AM

Give him some credit. McGee finally set a solid pick. Unfortunately, it was on his own teammate.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I have noticed the Lakers doing a pretty good job of keeping McGee away from the offensive boards -- of course, you could say he's helped in that endeavor.

I'm enjoying rphilli's play-by-play -- he likes to see those heavyweights go at it.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Seraphim sets some sweet picks.

Posted by: doogiex | December 8, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

This may be a basketball game, but Kevin Seraphin is playing middle linebacker. You gotta love this kid. He probably knocked over two of his teammates getting off the bench.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

my god Flip, you gotta let these kids play (to his credit, he's doing so tonight).

Posted by: doogiex | December 8, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Booker has flat-out taken over this game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Wow...Booker is a player.....NY HE WAS WIDE OPEN ON THAT 3 POINTER YOU MORON!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

"This may be a basketball game, but Kevin Seraphin is playing middle linebacker. You gotta love this kid. He probably knocked over two of his teammates getting off the bench."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 12:51 AM

Odom ran into him on a pick and literally bounced off.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Booker, Seraphin, and Wall.


Say hello to our 3 first-rounders this year. These guys will be around for a while. My god have they been impressive tonight.

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

This is a fun game to watch. I predict we'll hear a new cry from the fans at Verizon:

KehVEEEEEN!!!!

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Damn it...GA has been careless all game with the ball....BS foul call on NY

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

"...BS foul call on NY

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse "

There's been some serious home-cooking tonight from the refs...more so than usual. I guess that's what you get for being Kobe Bryant.

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Coming out party for Booker and Seraphin!!! I love how they play....tell me the Wiz would not get called for a foul the way Fisher hacked at that rebound by Seraphin. NBA refereeing is a joke!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

fun game. let the rooks play!

Posted by: doogiex | December 8, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Well, if Booker and Seraphin played more mins in the first half the way they did the second we win this game. Impressive indeed!
Against the champs nonetheless.

Seraphin = a bigger, more athletic Rick Mahorn.

When you mix it up with Artest and Artest wants no part of you, I am in your fan club.

KEEEVIN!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Flip himself has stated several times previously the 2nd unit often outplays the first in practice and it is clear why. What is not clear is why it took so long to get these kids off their leashes.

Maybe some folks will start to understand why EG drafted Seraphin and Booker...it's up to Flip to get them on the floor. If McGee matures and can grow with these two the frontline could be strong point in another year or two.

Nick is bringing the contract year juice...

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | December 8, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

It Was An L But I Like What I Saw


I think this game put to rest all the dumb stuff about Wall & Gil cant play together. They had no problem tonight and will only get better. This was against the best team in the leauge & the biggest team. There length gave us trouble. We will be alright against other teams. We may have stole it if we had Dray instead of Yi who was dreadful. He was so bad that I could see Booker stealing his backup minutes. I really love Seraphin and he should be great in 2 years but he has the worst hands in the league. Bobbles everything.

Basically, I think we will start to look like a different team now. Wall & Gil will only get better together. You could easily see that neither guy hurt the other's game and helped it to some degree while NY is a straight beast off the bench. I think we get our 1st road win tomorrow and our first win streak in the next game against NY. I just think that we will start clicking since Flip has finally woke up and see who he has to play

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 8, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I'd be remiss if I didn't note that, upon Thornton's return to the starting lineup, Gee didn't even get off the bench (and that's with Thornton only playing 15 minutes).

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Hell yeah let'em play. Who would you rather be on the court? McGee and Yi (Soft and Softer) or Seraphin and Booker (Tough and Tougher) I think we have plenty of jump shooting cuties on the team. Would love to see a starting lineup of Wall, GA, Josh Howard, Booker and Seraphin. Just one game is all I ask. I guarantee there would be no layup line or offensive rebound fest.

By the way, has anyone else noticed the retard McGee actually shuffles his hips away from the player coming at him when setting picks bc he is such a wuss??? He does it virtually every time. How can you run an offense with execution like that? The answer is you can't!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Bad not, from the young team from Chinatown- lots of promise shown tonight from the youngins, and Gilbert seems to have his head on square..Great game from Young and Booker..

Posted by: frak | December 8, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Amendment: Well, apparently Gee did get off the bench, but only for 25 seconds. That must have been when I went to the bathroom. Or blinked.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

"Hell yeah let'em play. Who would you rather be on the court? McGee and Yi (Soft and Softer) or Seraphin and Booker (Tough and Tougher) I think we have plenty of jump shooting cuties on the team."

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 1:18 AM

Well, if it's "jump shooting cuties" you want less of then there's a name you left off the list, one that was conspicuous by his absence in a game where the Wiz gave one of their most sustained displays of all out effort and physical resistance all season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

DLTS,

What are you talking about "worst hands"? He engulfed rebounds that nobody else on the team would have. Are you talking about the one Derrick Fisher hack? If that was a Wizard doing it, a foul would have been called.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Ouch Kal...think he showed up at practice with a walker? Strange though... usually the old hip flares up in cold weather but they are in sunny LA. Hope he found something to do with himself since he was unable to play...sad to think of him sitting bored to death back at the hotel room. :(

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | December 8, 2010 1:30 AM | Report abuse

@Kal,

I've been as disgusted with him as I've ever been. Blatche is a lazy bum and I think EG has done a credible job here, but he got suckered on that contract extension. Almost as if he played well enough long enough to get the extension so he could go back to coasting and playing lazy. A little ticked this hasn't been addressed by Flip with PT taken away or something. He also doesn't upgrade the intelligence quotient.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Seraphin's problem isn't his hands, it's indecision. Right now, when he gets the ball down low in traffic (either off a pass or a rebound), he always seems to be hesitant to make a move to the basket. As a result he tends to hold onto the ball in a stationary position, looking for someone to pass to.

Between the knee injury, his late start on offseason prep and his sparse PT (and possibly a desire not to screw up), he's probably not in full bball shape and doesn't yet have full confidence in the knee, so he's over thinking and playing a bit too cautiously, and it's hurting him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

"Almost as if he played well enough long enough to get the extension so he could go back to coasting and playing lazy."

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 1:32 AM

I believe the medical term for that condition is "acute Ike Austin-itis."

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

@Samson151

Do anyone really need Britt Robson to tell us how bad Andray Blatche have been playing? As far as the contract extension, it was based on last season's play so it's not fair to cite this season's performance to criticize the extension as being stupid. Did Robson criticized the contract at the time it was offered and signed?

Posted by: spades72 | December 8, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

LarryInClinton,
I am pretty sure you were more vested in this game than "Run and Jump" McGee. He did get his SportsCenter dunk so the evening was not a total scratch for him.

Lamar will have to settle for the W.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | December 8, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

I believe the medical term for that condition is "acute Ike Austin-itis."

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Can we get Nick tested for this?

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | December 8, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

He does have bad hands. He gets alot of boards but he still bobbles alot of them also. Moreso though on Offense. He bobbles nearly every dish from the guards. Dont get it twisted though, I think he's great

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 8, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

"Do anyone really need Britt Robson to tell us how bad Andray Blatche have been playing? As far as the contract extension, it was based on last season's play so it's not fair to cite this season's performance to criticize the extension as being stupid. Did Robson criticized the contract at the time it was offered and signed?"

Posted by: spades72 | December 8, 2010 1:40 AM

I DID!!

And of course it's fair to criticize the extension now. Before the extension, Blatche was under contract for one more season after this one. The Wizards were under no pressure or obligation to extend him. Given his overall history, there were legit reasons to be concerned that he might not keep up the pace. The smart thing to do would have been to let this season play out and see whether last season was legit or just a cosmetic light show. (I guess we have our answer now.) Paying extra to buy something that you already own is bad business decision making.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 1:51 AM | Report abuse

"Can we get Nick tested for this?"

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | December 8, 2010 1:45 AM

The condition may be connected to an allergic reaction to ball point pen ink, because the symptoms always seem to manifest themselves only right after a player signs his name to a new contract.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 1:54 AM | Report abuse

McGee have been playing well for the most part this season but soon as the guy have a bad game some you of you are all over him. Why are we salivating in the young man's failures?

Posted by: spades72 | December 8, 2010 1:55 AM | Report abuse

You can't knock the way NY has played lately.

This was by far my favorite game since before GA shredded his knee. It confirmed to me that this team does indeed have a fairly bright future. I'll take Wall, Seraphin and Booker growing up in the league together. It's worth watching. Who knows? Perhaps NY, McGee, AB, or Yi decide to come along for the ride as well. The talent is there for it to happen.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert is so done. Seriously, the man had 7 turnovers tonight, 23 points or not, and that TO count is just par for the course. Towards the end of the game, the Wiz had a perfect opportunity to tie up the game and Gil threw the ball away on an ill-advised pass: it was nowhere near Booker or Wall and bounced into the backcourt and out of bounds. Then, the cameras here (Fox Sports West) cut to an image of Gil with a serious 'deer in the headlights' look. Then, on the Wiz's last timeout, the announcer actually said "Timeout Minnesota." It was a gaffe that made more sense than saying Washington; it about sums up the whole game.

Booker is a PLAYER and will only get better. Same goes for Seraphin. Wall has NASTY ups and the announcers here would not stop drooling over his "lightning" quicks. NY also got a lot of love, although it was hometown love (Reseda in the houuuuuuse!) and even though he had a nice 30 point stat line, he really cooled off in the 4th quarter. I guess that's vintage NY though, he always manages to be hot until the game matters, and then he chokes spectacularly in the clutch.

OTOH, Yi is garbage: he cannot hold onto a basketball, whether passed to him or even when rebounding. First round bust right there. Hinrich is a solid 'glue' guy like Trevor Ariza but he won't win you games by himself...we saw that tonight McGee was a non-factor, but Pau Gasol is a hall of famer, so I give JaVale the benefit of the doubt (plus he's young and has time to learn). Al WHO?!?!

This team is a long way from competing, right now it's a borderline D-League roster. But the draft picks this year are a step in teh right direction.

Posted by: Crunkenstein | December 8, 2010 1:59 AM | Report abuse

And of course it's fair to criticize the extension now. Before the extension, Blatche was under contract for one more season after this one. The Wizards were under no pressure or obligation to extend him. Given his overall history, there were legit reasons to be concerned that he might not keep up the pace. The smart thing to do would have been to let this season play out and see whether last season was legit or just a cosmetic light show. (I guess we have our answer now.) Paying extra to buy something that you already own is bad business decision making.

Posted by: kalo_rama

I can't disagree with any of what you are saying but you can understand why fans are fed up with Grunfeld and Saunders.

Posted by: spades72 | December 8, 2010 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Spades,

Where have you been? McGee has started all season at center and the defense is as porous and bad as a defense can be. Largely bc he is not ready for a starting C job. He doesn't have the intelligence, maturity, endurance or any trait needed for the job. He's had 5 above average games out of 20. Big deal! He does have athletic talent. That I have never denied, but I've stated repeatedly he's a 5/6 year project.

As for Seraphin, he played his first meaningful NBA mins of his life against the Lakers in LA. Could it not be nerves? I also saw him RIP rebounds away from a crowd 2 or 3 times. I am fairly certain his reputation is that he does have good hands and athleticism for his size as well.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2010 2:11 AM | Report abuse

"I can't disagree with any of what you are saying but you can understand why fans are fed up with Grunfeld and Saunders."

Posted by: spades72 | December 8, 2010 2:07 AM

I'm pretty sure Saunders had nothing to do with Blatche getting an extension.

And I've said many times before there are any number of legit criticisms to be leveled at Saunders and Grunfeld. The problem is when the criticism is leveled only at them, esp. for things that they have little or no control over (like a player's effort). When a team is this bad, there's more than enough blame to spread around. There also the problem of delusional thinking that results in the belief that replacing Saunders with some unspecified "other" coach will somehow turn this team into something it's not, namely: good.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 8, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Where have you been? McGee has started all season at center and the defense is as porous and bad as a defense can be. Largely bc he is not ready for a starting C job. He doesn't have the intelligence, maturity, endurance or any trait needed for the job. He's had 5 above average games out of 20. Big deal! He does have athletic talent. That I have never denied, but I've stated repeatedly he's a 5/6 year project.

posted by rphilli721

As bad as the Wizards defense is, McGee is the strongest link as far as anything positive. There is no help whatsoever from the power foward spot. The guards and small forwards have trouble containing their men leaving McGee to come over and contest shots while Blatche and others miss out on defensive rebounds.

Posted by: spades72 | December 8, 2010 2:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure Saunders had nothing to do with Blatche getting an extension.

Posted by Kalo_rama

Well, we all know that Ted is not a basketball guy and does not evaluate talent. But it is hard to believe that the coach of the team do not have any input or influence on the signing of a player. If he is left out of this process well what is his value as part of the development and building of the team?

Posted by: spades72 | December 8, 2010 2:44 AM | Report abuse

As bad as the Wizards defense is, McGee is the strongest link as far as anything positive. There is no help whatsoever from the power foward spot. The guards and small forwards have trouble containing their men leaving McGee to come over and contest shots while Blatche and others miss out on defensive rebounds.

Posted by: spades72 | December 8, 2010
================================
all true, but McGee's play has dropped off significantly in the last few games i watched. It's expected for him to make a lot of mistakes, that's just the player he is right now. However, his energy and willingness to mix it up has dropped noticably.

On the plus side, Nick Young should start. Hate to say it, since i'm an Arenas fan, but Young is more effective right now. Put him in more coach.

Posted by: stevie2 | December 8, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

"Seraphin's problem isn't his hands, it's indecision. Right now, when he gets the ball down low in traffic (either off a pass or a rebound), he always seems to be hesitant to make a move to the basket. As a result he tends to hold onto the ball in a stationary position, looking for someone to pass to."

Yes, the sort of basketball skill he lacks. Still, that was the most fun watching the Wiz all year. Booker and Seraphin doing their impressions of Ed Reed and Ray Lewis. Defense can be fun. And Nick Young shooting that well is always a pleasure to watch. You notice how when his shot's dropping, he even starts pulling down some boards?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

BTW, as far as the FT disparity, there was home cooking out there tonight, but mostly in the fourth -- for a big part of the game, the Wiz had the edge in FT attempts, with LA catchup up late. Part of it is Washington defenders being late into position and having to swipe at the ball. Correctable, but that's an awfully good team they were playing, particularly when the game's on the line. You can see them settle down and get serious out there.

The other thing I realized (not so much during but after the game)was that it seemed LA had made some adjustments to handle McGee. Not having Blatche in there may have made a difference -- for all his flaws, he does collect some defensive boards. Javale looked more the way he did last season, which is somewhat confused. Be interesting to see if other teams follow that path.

I like the poster who's already asserted that things'll be different from now on. I wouldn't count on it. We got a glimpse of a pleasant future, but there's a long way to go for this team.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Why don't I hear more comments about Gil and Nick putting up a total of 53 points against the Lakers? Every other NBA coach would find a way to start Arenas and Young. Only Flip Saunders would consider bringing Arenas and Young in from the bench.

The Wizards have undersized bigs and they can't man up against 'real' big men. Prototype centers like Shaq, Dwight Howard, Bargnani, and Gasol will neutralize McGee/Blatche/Yi every time. Our bigs goal should be to 'contain' the oppositions bigs.

What the Wizards must do is out score the opposition. Gilbert and Nick are our scorers. Logic would dictate that we keep our scorers on the court for maximum minutes. This is how a team takes the lead in a game and actually has the lead by the end of the first half.

Bring Hinrich, Gee and other defensive specialists in to 'hold' the lead. Don't start the contest with your defensive specialists.

Posted by: musicmanjr | December 8, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"@Samson151
Did Robson criticized the contract at the time it was offered and signed?Posted by: spades72"

I believe he expressed some skepticism, yes. It was an unusual move. Grunfeld's not alone in such moves, however. GMs gamble and lose on this sort of thing a lot. The risk is that your young star turns out to be the b-ball equivalent of a one-hit wonder.

Kalorama really grumbled about it at the time.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"What the Wizards must do is out score the opposition. Gilbert and Nick are our scorers. Logic would dictate that we keep our scorers on the court for maximum minutes. This is how a team takes the lead in a game and actually has the lead by the end of the first half. Posted by: musicmanjr"

A prescription for losing, and for not developing the team for the longer term. The Wiz are not going to outscore the better clubs. They're not as good offensively as they were a few years ago, and they couldn't outscore the better clubs then, either. Gilbert's not what he was, and that's the big difference.

They could make up for that with improved defense. Right now they're on pace to give up more points this season than last. They're averaging more points, but not enough to make up the difference. What you saw (or should have seen) with Keh-VEEN and Trevor were the beginnings of a tough, aggressive defensive club.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 8, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"What the Wizards must do is out score the opposition. Gilbert and Nick are our scorers. Logic would dictate that we keep our scorers on the court for maximum minutes. This is how a team takes the lead in a game and actually has the lead by the end of the first half. Posted by: musicmanjr"

A prescription for losing, and for not developing the team for the longer term. The Wiz are not going to outscore the better clubs. They're not as good offensively as they were a few years ago, and they couldn't outscore the better clubs then, either. Gilbert's not what he was, and that's the big difference.

They could make up for that with improved defense. Right now they're on pace to give up more points this season than last. They're averaging more points, but not enough to make up the difference. What you saw (or should have seen) with Keh-VEEN and Trevor were the beginnings of a tough, aggressive defensive club.

Posted by: Samson151

I'm all for long term development. But not at the expense of two more losing seasons. Booker, though undersized at center, has the heart of a lion. Until he develops a short range jumpshot, he won't be effective against the premier big men in the post.

Kevin Seraphin has a big man's body but he is a project. I think I speak for most fans when I say that I don't want to sit through the rest of this season watching him learn the game [while we rack up losses].

And BTW you're right, we're not going to outscore the better clubs. With Arenas and Young on the floor we actually will outscore the "middle-of-the-pack" clubs. I kinda like having a Wizards victory once in a while!

Posted by: musicmanjr | December 8, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

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