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Posted at 6:20 PM ET, 12/14/2010

Open thread: Wizards (6-16) vs. Lakers (17-7)

By Michael Lee

After watching John Wall go off for 22 points, 14 assists and three blocked shots in his first game against the Los Angeles Lakers, five-time NBA champion Kobe Bryant felt the need to pull aside the No. 1 overall pick, give him a hug and some words of encouragement. "I understand what all the talk was about. That was the first time I'd really seen him play and I mean, he's extremely versatile," Bryant said. "He has a good competitive motor about himself, which I like. It's funny, because in this era, there seems to be so many great point guards out there. He's certainly one of them." Wall was forced to miss his eighth game of the season with right knee tendonitis and Bryant was asked what advice he would give him about overcoming injuries. "Buy Nikes," Bryant said, taking an obvious jab at Reebok, which signed Wall to a five-year, $25-million deal last summer. Chat about the game in the comments below, or join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee) and Gene Wang (@gene_wang) . See your tweets here by using #wizards.

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Comments

None but the truest Wiz fans will sit through tonight's game. So here I go. Ready to waste two hours of my life praying they won't quit competing.

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 14, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert looks so limited in moving these last 5 games or so. Like he cant move, jump, or do anything from an athletic standpoint. Its so sad to see. He looks crippled damn near. He also looks a little hobbled & like he has a limp or something at times. Slow also. I know he will never ever be the same but hopefully he gets some movement back. He looked alot better not too long ago so it would be great if he could even get there

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 14, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

HBCU Classic Sports
Post-Season Recap

D2 – Rd. 1 Wingate 63 Morehouse 41
Shepherd 40 Shaw 6

D2- Rd. 2 Albany St. 30 Wingate 28

D2 – QF Delta St. 28 Albany St. 7

FCS – Rd. 1 Ga. Southern 41 SC State 16

FCS – Rd. 2 NHampshire 49 Bethune 29

Turkey Day Classic
Tuskegee 17 Alabama St. 10

Pioneer Bowl
St. Augustine 20 Ft. Valley St. 9

SWAC Championship
Tx Southern 11 Alabama St. 6

hbcuclassics.com

Posted by: typrather | December 14, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I love the bash brothers. Seraphin is a beast. I dont care how many chippies he misses. He'll start making and unless he bangs & gets the boards

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 14, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Watching how easily Seraphin gets good inside position showcases how soft the other bigs on this team are.

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 14, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Why has McGee regressed so badly lately? He almost looks like our worst big at times (besidesYi ofcourse). He's doing everything badly

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 14, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Ain't gonna watch. When was the last time the Wiz, Caps or Skins won a game? Two weeks ago?

Posted by: charley42 | December 14, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

They're just late on defense. Picking up fouls is all. LA is something like 15 of 19, the Wiz 2 for 2 from the line. And their shooting percentage is down.

Correctable stuff.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 14, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

NY is playing good but he still has those blinders off. Gil has had about 3 wide open J's if NY makes the easy extra pass and he shoots it. You still have to pass it when guys are open

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 14, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"Why has McGee regressed so badly lately? He almost looks like our worst big at times (besidesYi ofcourse). He's doing everything badly. Posted by: dlts2041"

Be patient. That LA front line is schooling him. Painful to watch, but he can learn from it.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 14, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

TRADE NEWS:

The Nets, Rockets and Lakers have a deal to send Nets swingman Terrence Williams (Louisville) to Houston, LA SG Sasha Vujacic to NJ, and PF Joe Smith to Los Angeles. NJ also gets LA's 1st round pick in 2011 plus a lottery-protected 1st rounder from Houston in '12.

LA got salary relief by dumping Vujacic.
Smith, 35, has played in four games this season on a one year, $1.4 million deal with the Nets. NJ GM has added 2 more first round picks (total of 5 in '11 and '12) in hopes of making trades, such as that discussed for Carmelo.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 14, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

The only chance we have is Gil getting hot. The good thing is when he shoots this bad he usually tries to change his shoes or something and come out alot more aggressive to start. He shoots more & moves alot quicker. In his prime he would go off for 20 in the 2nd half. Now its more about his start to the 2nd half. If he has success with the aggression then he will play well but if he misses his first couple of shots, or has a turnover, or LA goes on a run, then he will go in the tank.

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 14, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Does Flip pull names out of a hat to come up with his lineups?

How does Flip start Gee when he first came here and now the guy can't get off the bench?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 14, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

3:36 left in the third and LA has 20 more FT attempts... on the road.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 14, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Game should be cancelled due to lack of interest (on the Wizards part) Ted Leonsis should refund season ticket holders until he fires Flip and Ernie.The fact you could dump Jamison,Butler, Haywood, and Stevenson from this team without competent replacements is downright laughable, Grunfeld is basically stealing money from this franchise while masquerading as a NBA GM. Repeat after me; FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD, FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 14, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas is just going through the motions. Throws up shots when he has to. Has no aggression or attitude to his game and that translates to bad shooting games. Absolutely no fire or passion.

Posted by: spades72 | December 14, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

If the Wiz don't beat the Nets this week then they may never win another game this season...

The name of the game is defense...didn't expect them to beat the Lakers tonite...even if everyone is healthy it won't make any difference until they dedicate themselves to playing defense every night...6 wins in Oct. Nov. and now the middle of Dec...Lottery time again...
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Posted by: pentagon40 | December 14, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The last 27 years of watching the Bullets/Wiz have given me the ability to stomach the last 17 years of the Redskins..or is that the other way around?

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 14, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

2010-2011 Washington Wizards Positives:

Nick Young emerges as the team's best player.

2010-2011 Washington Wizards Negatives:

Nick Young emerges as the team's best player.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The Knicks who have been terrible the past 2 seasons have a winning record...If they get Carmelo they will be even better...

Why have they vaulted over the Wiz when we had Caron, Gilbert, Haywood the past 5 years?????Sad.....

Save your Wiz money and go to Ruth Chris'..at least you know what you will be getting....

Posted by: pentagon40 | December 14, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young IS NOT the team's best player by any stretch of the imagination but I know what you're trying to save...

Sad state of affairs for the franchise...they better rest Walls and someone needs to teach him how to pace himself or he won't last 2 years...I understand his eagerness but he can't do it alone for this team...

Posted by: pentagon40 | December 14, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich had a terrible 2nd half. Dribbles the ball way too much and bogs down what little offense the Wizards have. He doesn't look to shoot that much and is not effective at the point. Don't understand why he constantly gets so much playing time. It's time to re-evaluate things and set the course for the long term.

Posted by: spades72 | December 14, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young IS NOT the team's best player by any stretch of the imagination but I know what you're trying to save...

Actually he is. Consistently scores and defends, stays healthy. On this team, that's as good as it gets.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse


WTH happened to McGee?

He has looked AWFUL the past couple weeks and he STILL doesn't know how to get proper position for defensive rebounds. Gasol got several rebounds tonight because McGee just went toward the rim when the ball went up instead of boxing out. The ball bounced long and went straight to Gasol (whom McGee should have been directly in front of, boxing out). smh.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 14, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich had a terrible 2nd half.

As opposed to his 1-5 2pt 1st half? Kirk is what he is, and that's a 2nd stringer forced into 35mins/night on this team.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

BTW, what happened to Seraphin in the 4th quarter? He and Nick Young were the only ones who seemed to be competing. The Wizards need a young energetic coach who is going to grow with these young players. Flip Saunders is searching things that are not there. This puzzle need a new hand to put the pieces together. Enough with Ernie and Flip. How much worse can it get with the next group?

Posted by: spades72 | December 14, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Also, it's looking more and more like Gil will play out his contract here. I don't see anything to indicate (so far) he'll ever be anywhere near the "old" Gil. Maybe he could lose 15 pounds or something, but right now he's so far from a $20mill player the idea of ever trading him is a fantasy.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedCherokee | December 14, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Game should be cancelled due to lack of interest (on the Wizards part) Ted Leonsis should refund season ticket holders until he fires Flip and Ernie.The fact you could dump Jamison,Butler, Haywood, and Stevenson from this team without competent replacements is downright laughable, Grunfeld is basically stealing money from this franchise while masquerading as a NBA GM. Repeat after me; FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD, FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD.

Posted by: dargregmag

Repeat after me S T F U!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

"WTH happened to McGee?

He has looked AWFUL the past couple weeks and he STILL doesn't know how to get proper position for defensive rebounds. Gasol got several rebounds tonight because McGee just went toward the rim when the ball went up instead of boxing out. The ball bounced long and went straight to Gasol (whom McGee should have been directly in front of, boxing out). smh."

He is just a ROCK. That is all. I think athletic ability like his comes with a prerequisite absolute lack of brains. I saw exactly what you saw and it was laughable or disgusting depending on your point of view. It's Flip's fault! He has never told him or showed him how to box out. Or, is it the lack of the proverbial "big man coach" since big men only listen to coaching from someone their same size.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I think athletic ability like his comes with a prerequisite absolute lack of brains

A month ago you were saying Mcgee was an idiot and Yi was so much better, then 2 weeks ago you were saying Mcgee was progressing and Yi was terrible, now you're back to Mcgee being awful. It's not him it's you?

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"Flip Saunders is searching things that are not there."

You take a correct statement and turn it into an indictment on the coach himself. There is nothing to turn to!!!!! What talent is on the team is injured or just not ready for added responsibilities.

Last time I checked we were told we were rebuilding through the draft and with young talent. Somewhere along the lines most of you missed the memo. The play on the court is compounded by the continued injury curse on this team.

Would you rather be the Redskins who are pathetic and have zero young talent with which to build around in the near future? In fact, I believe they are the oldest team in the NFL.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

What I'd like is a half competent medical staff that would keep players from rushing back.

I mean, at what point is it not a curse but an issue of proper diagnosis and treatment?

Posted by: manifested | December 14, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

"Why has McGee regressed so badly lately? He almost looks like our worst big at times (besidesYi ofcourse). He's doing everything badly."

Because he came into the season with confidence. It took all of a month for Flip to kill whatever of that he had.

Flip is not a good coach, and EG is not a good GM. AS the poster said above Gil is just going through the motions. He has no desire to contribute to anything, except getting out of town.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 14, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"A month ago you were saying Mcgee was an idiot and Yi was so much better, then 2 weeks ago you were saying Mcgee was progressing and Yi was terrible, now you're back to Mcgee being awful. It's not him it's you?"

McGee has always been an idiot never stated otherwise. For a couple of weeks, he was playing consistently like he might get better faster than I ever expected, but he has returned to earth. Go back Mr. Recorder and check how many times I've said McGee is a 5/6 year project at best, if he ever in fact does "get it." I was momentarily fooled by 5 games of positive signs. But, I never declared anything beyond he might get better sooner than I thought. Alas, I was right. Wish I wasn't, but as The Who song goes - I Won't Get Fooled Again and never really was. At the time, I also didn't realize we had played one of the easiest early season schedules in the league.

Yi is much the same, but I've never made consistent remarks about him bc I haven't watched him play that much in the past. I see now why teams have given up on him although he is also an impressive athlete for his size and is still supposedly only 23. He started off the season with a bang and now is just a big thud. Where is the guy that was one of the best players in the Worlds? I tell you one thing - he may be soft just like McGee, but he is a helluva lot smarter basketball player. He knows where to be on the court. He can shoot. He boxes out or tries to at least. He probably sets the best picks on this team, which isn't saying much. Etc....yeah, in a lot of fundamental ways he is better than JM. Next...

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Another game, no Gee sighting. If he's "carving out playing time" he must be using the world's dullest knife.

Injuries or no injuries, Seraphin needs to be in the rotation. Not a ton, but a 10-12 mpg at least. He brings an element this team really needs, if only to serve as an example to the other bigs how to put a body on somebody.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 14, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

"A month ago you were saying Mcgee was an idiot and Yi was so much better, then 2 weeks ago you were saying Mcgee was progressing and Yi was terrible, now you're back to Mcgee being awful. It's not him it's you?"

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 10:38 PM

McGee was showing progress. Now he's back to looking lost. The two are in no way, shape, or form mutually exclusive.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 14, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"Because he came into the season with confidence. It took all of a month for Flip to kill whatever of that he had.

Flip is not a good coach, and EG is not a good GM. AS the poster said above Gil is just going through the motions. He has no desire to contribute to anything, except getting out of town.

- Ray"

Do everyone a favor and spare us the bs. McGee is just a young tall raw project. Same as he was when he was drafted. 5/6 years before that pick can be properly evaluated.

And, if GA is going through the motions, (more likely he is gimpy as stated in the press) he is the a hole after all this team has put up with and is paying him.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

By the way Divi, I believe Yi was the best player on his countries national team and McGee couldn't even make the US squad, which was sorely lacking at the C position. Enough said.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

By the way Divi, I believe Yi was the best player on his countries national team and McGee couldn't even make the US squad, which was sorely lacking at the C position. Enough said.

By the way philli, Yi plays for the Chinese team while Mcgee is trying to make the American team. Enough said.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Game needed more Seraphin and less Al Thornton. If the rooks get more PT then these games are bearable. At least until the All-Star break.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 14, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

@ Kal,

Pretty much it and, basically, what I responded with.

McGee should be embarrassed by the utter lack of boxing out tonight. On one particularly disgusting play - he saw the play develop, looked at Gasol near the basket, watched the outside shot go up, and still left Gasol alone a few feet away on the other side of the lane. He backs in front of Gasol, which 90% of pick up players around town would attempt to do, and it's an easy defensive rebound for him. And, people wonder why he "mysteriously" gets pulled from games?

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Despite all the whining about Mcgee, tonight Gil and KH were the Wizards weakest links. Becoming all too common an occurrence.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, nice try, but I don't think McGee would have been one of the best players at Worlds had he been on the Chinese team. The international style of play suits Yi and he is simply a better player in a lot of ways as I stated. Enough said.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, nice try, but I don't think McGee would have been one of the best players at Worlds had he been on the Chinese team. The international style of play suits Yi and he is simply a better player in a lot of ways as I stated. Enough said.

Yi is terrible. That's how he ended up here, and that's why he wont be here next year while Mcgee will. You couldnt find a single GM in the entire nba who would take Yi over Javale, and that's a fact.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

No, GA and Hinrich are the strongest remaining links along with NY and, therefore, get a lot of attention from the opposing team's defense. Not like the other team has to guard against anybody in the front court. Oh, wait, AT or Armstrong might go off - not.

I agree we need to see more Seraphin. Certainly he could take any minutes you might want to give Armstrong. He is my current favorite player and could develop into a real "Big Baby."

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

"Yi is terrible. That's how he ended up here, and that's why he wont be here next year while Mcgee will. You couldnt find a single GM in the entire nba who would take Yi over Javale, and that's a fact."

Except that every GM in the NBA would have picked Yi higher in the draft than JM and did. Can't remember if they were in the same draft, but the basic point still applies. You suffer from an acute case of anti-logic.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Wizards...

Owner Ted Too soon to tell
GM EG Here 7 years lottery again
Coach Flip Do I have to say anything?
Medical Staff Ha Ha Ha

PG Wall Wait and see
PG Gil 20 million stuck with him
PG Kirk Flip & EG's boy enough said
SG NY May turn into a good 6th man
SF Gee D league
SF Martin D league
SF AT A college PF who can't play SF
PF AB Soft player still waiting
PF YI yea right
PF KS a big body who needs skills
PF TB A college PF who can't play SF
C JM ? needs lots of help
C HA D league

What is there to look forward too?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 14, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

And, you don't ever refute the facts, you just obfuscate.

Me: McGee would have not been one of the best players at the Worlds had he been on the Chinese team as Yi was.

You: Yi won't be here next year and you can't find a single GM in the entire NBA who would take Yi over Javale, and that is somehow a "fact" bc that is your pure bs speculation.

You were captain of your HS debate team weren't you? Too easy...

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 14, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Not even kal would prefer Yi on the team next season over Mcgee.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

McGee would have not been one of the best players at the Worlds had he been on the Chinese team as Yi was.

Who gives a rat's azz about the world's? We are talking nba.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

No, GA and Hinrich are the strongest remaining links

You need to get your eyes checked if you watched that game and thought that Hinrich was a "strong link."

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

"McGee was showing progress. Now he's back to looking lost. The two are in no way, shape, or form mutually exclusive.Posted by: kalo_rama"

In fact, they sort of go together. Two steps forward, one step back -- sometimes three steps.

I'm thinking in part it's that teams have adjusted to him. That's inevitable, right? I mean, they have coaches too. And game tapes.

And of course, there's always the tendency to overhype a young developmental type when he begins to show signs of progress. He's got fans who need to crow about it, and you're not going to discourage them.

Are some of the young guys better than they were last season? Heck yes, you can see that on TV.

Are they reliable NBA players at this point? That's a whole other question, and it has a different answer.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 15, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget what the fans here were saying about Andray Blatche during his sprint to glory near the end of last season. Partisans insisting the guy was the best PF in the NBA, or one of them at least. You don't hear that now. He's not playing as well, for a variety of reasons that should have been apparent back then, as well. But somehow when things are going well, folks manage to forget them.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 15, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I fell asleep halfway through the game b/c I knew Les BouleS were going to get thrashed. My only question was whether Booker mixed it up with Ron Ron.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 15, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I like Yi's skills, but I know he has absolutely no post/inside game. He never learned it, and this is what you have. He has no knowledge (not ability) on how to create room between him and his defender in the post to get his shot off. He gets his boards based on pure skill, not from how to box out or fight for position. He does have a nice shooting stroke and is able to stretch the defense, and he does play defense. Also, he has some decent athletic ability. I haven't seen JaTravel do anything besides dunk and block shots since he's been here. Based on all that, it's exactly the reason why Les BouleS needs to invest in a big man coach to coach these guys up. Neither Grunfeld nor Flip Flop should be in the team's long term plans.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 15, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Look at the box score. Les BouleS took 16 shots from the FT line while the Lakers took 40. Gilby shot "Zero" FT's. That means he settled for mostly J's. Maybe that's a good reason to still call him Agent Zero.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301214027

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 15, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

McGee cannot be a defensive presence by himself. When there is a tendency to go out and constantly challenge shots it takes away from the focus to rebound the ball. He needs a Dennis Rodman or a Jayson Williams type to complement his style. I don't think his responsibilites are properly defined. Do you want him to step out and challenge shots or do you want him to mann the boards?

Posted by: spades72 | December 15, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

"Do you want [McGee] to step out and challenge shots or do you want him to mann the boards? Posted by: spades72"

I think he should work to establish defensive position and hold it so when the rebounds came off, he'd be there. As far as shotblocking, I'm OK with him just extending as far as he can and forcing the opponent to shoot over him. Personally I'm not concerned about the block totals if it means he's leaving his position to swat at balls.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 15, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

"McGee cannot be a defensive presence by himself. When there is a tendency to go out and constantly challenge shots it takes away from the focus to rebound the ball. He needs a Dennis Rodman or a Jayson Williams type to complement his style. I don't think his responsibilites are properly defined. Do you want him to step out and challenge shots or do you want him to mann the boards?

Posted by: spades72 | December 15, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse "

Look at JaTravel after every block or dunk. Dude is too much in love with himself. He's still very immature, and wants to be on the highlight reel. I've seen saying all along that he does not need to swing for the fences with every block or dunk. He's got some growing up to do, because right now, all he can do is dunk and block, and there are only so many dunks and blocks in a game.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 15, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

"Do you want him to step out and challenge shots or do you want him to mann the boards?"

Posted by: spades72 | December 15, 2010 12:46 AM

Are you actually implying that there's some reason he can't do both? Because I'm certain Dikembe Mutombo, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, ALonzo Mourning, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and Shaquille O'Neal would say differently.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 15, 2010 1:30 AM | Report abuse

You take a correct statement and turn it into an indictment on the coach himself. There is nothing to turn to!!!!! What talent is on the team is injured or just not ready for added responsibilities.

Posted by: rphilli721

Not ready for added responsibilities? If we you are going to lose, lose with the players you are trying to develop and want to gain experience. This team have no future with stop overs like Armstrong and Hinrich so why are they taking away minutes from the young players. There is no more juice to squeeze from Hinrich and Armstrong.

Posted by: spades72 | December 15, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

"And of course, there's always the tendency to overhype a young developmental type when he begins to show signs of progress. He's got fans who need to crow about it, and you're not going to discourage them."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 15, 2010 12:11 AM

But that won't stop me from trying, gosh darn it. Sometimes the reward is in the effort.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 15, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Are you actually implying that there's some reason he can't do both? Because I'm certain Dikembe Mutombo, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, ALonzo Mourning, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and Shaquille O'Neal would say differently.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Were any these players was on the worse defensive team in the league? The guards and small forwards on this team get are incapable of containing their man and leave the center no choice but to rotate.

Posted by: spades72 | December 15, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

"Not ready for added responsibilities? If we you are going to lose, lose with the players you are trying to develop and want to gain experience. This team have no future with stop overs like Armstrong and Hinrich so why are they taking away minutes from the young players. There is no more juice to squeeze from Hinrich and Armstrong."

Posted by: spades72 | December 15, 2010 1:31 AM

And what promising young guard is Hinrich stealing minutes from? Not Wall. When he's healthy he starts and plays 35-40 minutes. In fact, for the past couple of weeks the prevailing complaint has been that he plays too many minutes. Not Nick Young. He's the first guard off the bench and, in the last 13 games, has played fewer than 26 minutes twice and has played 30 or more 8 times. Unless you want him to play 40 mpg (so you'll have something to rake Saunders over the coals for when his body breaks down) then his minutes aren't really an issue.

As for Armstrong, in the last 13 games he's appeared in he's never played more than 18 minutes, has played fewer than 15 minutes 10 times, and has had minute totals in the single digits 5 times. To say he's playing spot minutes would be a fair assessment. During the same period, both Booker and Seraphin have been making more regular appearances, including in key stretches of games. So it certainly doesn't appear that Armstrong is blocking their path. And McGee has pretty regularly been logging in the 30 minute neighborhood the last 3 weeks or so, including a couple of games with 40+. So unless you think Booker and Seraphin are ready to play 30+ mpg every night (they aren't) then who, exactly, is Armstrong stealing minutes from?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 15, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Correction

Are you actually implying that there's some reason he can't do both? Because I'm certain Dikembe Mutombo, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, ALonzo Mourning, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and Shaquille O'Neal would say differently.

Posted by: kalo_rama

Did any of these players played on the worse defensive team in the league? The guards and small forwards on this team are incapable of containing their men and leave the center no choice but to rotate.

Posted by: spades72 | December 15, 2010 2:03 AM | Report abuse

So unless you think Booker and Seraphin are ready to play 30+ mpg every night (they aren't) then who, exactly, is Armstrong stealing minutes from?

Posted by: kalo_rama

Do it look like the Wizards are winning or going to be any good in the next month or so? For the most part Armstrong has been ahead of Seraphin in the rotation and any minutes played by him is deprivation for Seraphin. This dude have no value on the team and is a complete bum. A mere one year rental.

Hinrich adds nothing to this team. Give some of those minutes to Alonzo Gee and Cartier Martin and see if they can be a part of the future. Stop investing in players who you already know won't be here.

Posted by: spades72 | December 15, 2010 2:32 AM | Report abuse

"Did any of these [All-Star big men] played on the worse defensive team in the league? The guards and small forwards on this team are incapable of containing their men and leave the center no choice but to rotate.Posted by: spades72"

OK that's something we've heard before, and it still doesn't make sense. The NBA doesn't allow a defender to tackle his man, so any decent offensive player is going to find ways to penetrate the perimeter. The point of penetration is to draw the defense to the penetrator, leaving somebody else open. The penetrator can pass or continue with the shot.

The Wiz are probably doing a better job on the perimeter than last season. But a distressing number of teams are having their way in the area around the basket. At this point in the season, it's like Baghdad in there. We need to clear, hold, build.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 15, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

"You need to get your eyes checked if you watched that game and thought that Hinrich was a 'strong link.'"

- Even with Wall healthy, KH is our second best point guard and by far our best perimeter defender. Not sure what your beef is with a solid NBA veteran guard on the team unless you miss Doug Overton and Javaris Crittenton that much. He is also a solid role model for Wall as Rose has already praised KH for how much he helped him. Done with that straw argument.

"Not even kal would prefer Yi on the team next season over Mcgee."

- Says who? Says you? I would like to live in your world of fantasy and knowing the thoughts of others and presenting pure speculation as facts when there are indeed such things as true facts and points to be made. You just never make them.

"Who gives a rat's azz about the world's? We are talking nba."

Apparently you, when the idea of your boy JM staying at home watching his soon-to-be teammate Yi flourish belies your insistence that JM is a better player than Yi now and for the future. I don't know about the future (neither do you), but Yi is right now in most aspects of the game a better player than JM - Fact. I would not be surprised if they both are borderline players the rest of their careers and that could be their more likely outcome.


"Not ready for added responsibilities? If we you are going to lose, lose with the players you are trying to develop and want to gain experience. This team have no future with stop overs like Armstrong and Hinrich so why are they taking away minutes from the young players. There is no more juice to squeeze from Hinrich and Armstrong."

As Kal pointed out, KH is deterring nobody from getting minutes and HA is getting spot minutes at best. I too want to see Seraphin and Booker get their time, and, for the most part, they are. Seraphin, remember, couldn't even understand that much English in training camp so his progress will be slower (nursing previous knee injury as well). TB has already shown me the tenacity and maturity for which he was drafted along with much better athleticism than I expected. I think he'll be a keeper and continue to work his way into the lineup.

The next argument will be that Flip Saunder's screwed up some young player's confidence bc he played him too much too soon. I think he already destroyed JM's confidence according to someone....so funny.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 15, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Hinrich adds nothing to this team. Give some of those minutes to Alonzo Gee and Cartier Martin and see if they can be a part of the future. Stop investing in players who you already know won't be here."

Posted by: spades72 | December 15, 2010 2:32 AM

They did give minutes to Gee and Martin, including several starts (for Gee). They were so unimpressed with Martin that they went out and signed Gee off the street. And as soon as Thornton came back, they unceremoniously dumped Gee from the rotation. When Howard returns one of them (at least) will be looking for work elsewhere. I think any questions about their future with the Wizards have been answered.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 15, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

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