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Posted at 7:28 PM ET, 12/18/2010

Open thread: Wizards (6-18) vs. Heat (20-8)

By Gene Wang

On the same day they traded Gilbert Arenas to Orlando for Rashard Lewis, the Wizards play LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat five days after hosting Kobe Bryant and the Los Angeles Lakers. Just another quiet Saturday in Chinatown.

Let the conversation begin in the thread below. You can also join the conversation on Twitter with Gene Wang (@gene_wang). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 7 p.m.; TV: CSN; Radio: 106.7 FM.


By Gene Wang  | December 18, 2010; 7:28 PM ET
 
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Comments

The Wizs seem to have a pep in dey step. Lets see how easily Miami walks them down, or not.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 18, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

We always have a good 1st qtr. What next?

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse


If McGee's not the dumbest player in the league, he's pretty close.

There's no excuse for him still trying to take the ball coast-to-coast for the highlight reel dunk, only to commit the inevitable turnover. If he passes to Young, the Wizards get a sure two points. The kid just has rocks for brains.

Posted by: ahwyatt | December 18, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

What the heck has gotten into NY? HAs he turned it up or what!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

NY started? Wow. I hope they have a therapist on hand after the game to counsel him. According to some on these boards, he is in serious danger of a nervous breakdown if Flip moves him from his comfort zone coming off the bench.

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse


"According to some on these boards, he is in serious danger of a nervous breakdown if Flip moves him from his comfort zone coming off the bench."

Posted by: ts35

LMAO!

Posted by: ahwyatt | December 18, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Night and day. Night and day. For the Wizards sake lets hope this is a start of something good and consistent and not just false emotion.

Whether they figured that Wall and Arenas was not a fit or just that Arenas had to be parted with, all that matters is if you are a Bullets Fan that the ship is being righted starboard bound.

Aye! Aye!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 18, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

LOL, that Hinrich is an offensive machine. Poor Wade.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 18, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse


We're lucky to be in this game considering Blatche and McGee are a combined 4-15 from the field. That said, I hope Blatche continues to take the ball strong to the rack and either get fouled or attempt the high-percentage shot. Very winnable game...but you just know Hinrich is going to wear down in the fourth. As our only PG, dude got all of a six-second rest in the first half.

Posted by: and_1 | December 18, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse


There's no excuse for [McGee] still trying to take the ball coast-to-coast for the highlight reel dunk, only to commit the inevitable turnover. If he passes to Young, the Wizards get a sure two points. The kid just has rocks for brains.

Posted by: ahwyatt | December 18, 2010 7:40 PM

I think sometimes McGee is more concerned with looking good than just making the right play. For the Wizards' sake, let's hope he figures things out. Soon.

Posted by: and_1 | December 18, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Clearly this trade was all about creating an opening for Nick Young in the starting lineup.

Because after all, what other standard of excellence is there?

Except maybe a contract offer from SoCal...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 18, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

It's not NY's previous fragile mind, which he certainly has displayed in his career. It's that there was no reason to screw with the only thing that was working well - NY scoring off the bench. Now, there is a reason to start him and he did. Kudos to NY for continuing to be the best player on the the team thus far this season. Did I just say that?

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 18, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

"NY started? Wow. I hope they have a therapist on hand after the game to counsel him. According to some on these boards, he is in serious danger of a nervous breakdown if Flip moves him from his comfort zone coming off the bench."

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 8:01 PM

Of course, that entire line of conversation was based on the suggestion (your suggestion (among others), if I recall) that Young start at SF. He started this game (and played most of his minutes) at SG, his natural position. But hey, you've never let actual facts interfere with any of your arguments before, so why start now, right?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 18, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Too bad they play 2 halfs!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Notice very little ball sharing on this team. Way too much one pass and shoot

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Like I said: Good riddance to Arenas. The fog has lifted.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Watching Kirk Hinrich play almost makes me pine for Earl Boykins.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 18, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse


Kirk is just having a tough shooting night. He's doing everything else right.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I've said it before that Blatche has a sneaky smooth game that appears to be soft to many, but like dynamite he can be a deadly player. I think the Bullets realized that when they gave him that extended contract decried by some.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 18, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Will Rashard Lewis be a 3 or a 4, I vote for 3 so that Blatche can play his real position.What happens to Josh Howard if he is healthy. Still more questions than answers, the Wizards have to figure out their identity. They have some good pieces, I just don't see them fitting together right now but hopefully they'll beat the Heat.

Posted by: justgeoff | December 18, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Like I said: Good riddance to Arenas. The fog has lifted.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Game ain't over yet and remember, Heat coming off a back to back so hold that thought Kirk Hinrich can still give this game away!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I beg to differ. Kirk has called his own number at several inopportune times, only to miss an off-balanced shot -- to say nothing of him dribbling away 15sec of every shot clock to start a possession.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 18, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

@Kalo,

That was part of it. Your part of it was that any move from his comfort zone in his role as scorer of the bench risked regression. But hey, you've never let selectively choosing your facts, or shifting your opinion after the fact, get in your way before.

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

On a totally separate matter, had I known Gabrielle Union was going to be in the house, I would have more of an effort to go tonight.

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Kirk is just having a tough shooting night. He's doing everything else right.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

What game are you watching? Kirk Hinrich is the reason they're not up by 15 easy!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse


Game ain't over yet and remember, Heat coming off a back to back so hold that thought Kirk Hinrich can still give this game away!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:03 PM

I don't care if the Heat played last night. The way the Wizards were playing WITH Arenas on the court they would have had no chance aginst the Heat. Thank goodness, he's on a greyhound bus heading to Orlando.

Yeah, Kirk is starting to fade. I doubt he hits another jumper the whole night with all the minutes he's played.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

McGee should be in the game in crunch. Flip doesn't want McGee to make a boneheaded play but he is just as apt to make a dynamic good play as well.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 18, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse


What game are you watching? Kirk Hinrich is the reason they're not up by 15 easy!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:08 PM

Kirk is the reason they're in the game. 10 assists against 3 turnovers, 5 rebs, 2 steals. He's putting in some work tonight.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow - even if they don't win, it sure shows what a drag Arenas was on the team.

Posted by: charley42 | December 18, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I told you man Kirk H is gonna blow this game!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Kirk's assists are simply by virtue of the hot hands on the floor.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 18, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Gil was holding this team back. Now they'll rip off a ten game win streak.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 18, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Your boy Kirk again!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Rashard Lewis is the difference maker. The Heat haven't stopped him all night.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 18, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Who is this LeBron James guy? Wasn't he in Cleveland?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 18, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Flip stays with KH way too long. Making a lot of mistakes. NY open all night and has his shot.

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Flip stays with KH way too long. Making a lot of mistakes. NY open all night and has his shot.

Posted by: zack9633

Um, Zack, who is Flip supposed to sub for him?

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

AB 'fouling' Bosh on the 3. Perhaps my least favorite call in the NBA. Bosh clearly jumped into him.

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Flip should write another book call "How To Blow A Game In 60 Seconds!" Pull KH's butt OUT!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

We just lost this game.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 18, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

In Kirk we trust? Heck NO!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

#### Kirk Hinrich!

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | December 18, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse


Wizards played hard tonight. Blatche blew it when he threw that dumb pass to Young that led to Chalmers tying the game.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz didn't execute down the stretch, but they were jobbed by the officials again. The Bosh call on the 3, Young was fouled on the inbounds, and KH was bumped (at least as much as Bosh was) on that last shot.

KH needs to make those FTs. Playing 48 mins doesn't help.

And that might have been the lamest attempt at pressure I have ever seen on the inbounds play where Wade ended up getting fouled.

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

You just knew, of course, that they would somehow lose. The only question was, how would they manage to p*ss it away? And, of course, they did just enough incredibly stupid things to make it happen. Same old Wiz.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | December 18, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

So it goes. It'll be interesting to see what move Ernie makes next.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | December 18, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Like I said: Good riddance to Arenas. The fog has lifted.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Game ain't over yet and remember, Heat coming off a back to back so hold that thought Kirk Hinrich can still give this game away!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

NEED I SAY MORE!

Damn Kirk Hinrich! I can't believe we blew this game. Kirk had a tough shooting night but he kept shooting, NY had open looks and KH hept shooting trying to find his shot, even down the stretch. Flip stayed with him way too long!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse


Wizards had their chances. Howard missed free throws. Hinrich missed one. Blatche commits a dumb foul, throws a dumb pass. Maybe it's still slightly foggy. ;-)

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable. Un@@@believable. I understand a ball player being tired but Kirk's experience should have taken over ya' think, FLIP! Or yours.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 18, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

If the refs can give the win to a winning team over a loser, they will.

Posted by: charley42 | December 18, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse


Damn Kirk Hinrich! I can't believe we blew this game. Kirk had a tough shooting night but he kept shooting, NY had open looks and KH hept shooting trying to find his shot, even down the stretch. Flip stayed with him way too long!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:43 PM

Zack, you're not a smart man. Who was the backup PG? Did Kirk foul Bosh shooting a three? Did Kirk throw the ball away in the last seconds of the game to let the Heat tie it up?

Kirk didn't cost us the game. Blatche was awful in money time and he'll be the first to tell you he spit the bit.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Um, fellas, the Wiz played better than they have in weeks. Against mighty Miami.

Actually looked like an NBA team out there tonight. A big change from the last couple outings, where they more closely resembled the Guang Dong Fighting Crickets.

Of course that's not good enough for us here on WI.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 18, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Blatche should definitely be the next one to go. His basketball IQ, on a scale of 1 to 10, is about 0.5. Get rid of him now while you can - maybe - get something for him.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | December 18, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

@ts35

No way KH should have played 58 min. the last 4 are proof. I'm yelling at the screen and KH making all kind mistakes.

Well how about subing him for Gil! Oh wait, we traded him! (could't resist). Must admit, we played alot better that I thought we would have but this was a winnable game!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse


Damn Kirk Hinrich! I can't believe we blew this game. Kirk had a tough shooting night but he kept shooting, NY had open looks and KH hept shooting trying to find his shot, even down the stretch. Flip stayed with him way too long!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:43 PM

Zack, you're not a smart man. Who was the backup PG? Did Kirk foul Bosh shooting a three? Did Kirk throw the ball away in the last seconds of the game to let the Heat tie it up?

Kirk didn't cost us the game. Blatche was awful in money time and he'll be the first to tell you he spit the bit.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

ThIS WAS ALL ON THE COACH!!! THE SERIAL SKIRT CHASER IS AS DUMB AS THEY COME I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PLAYER AS BIG AN IDIOT AS ANDRAY BLATCHE. Flip Sauders is a dumb azz and this goes to show that he has no idea what he is doing, Blatche's dumb azz would have been sitting after fouling Bosh behind the three point arc basically letting Miami back in the game and Hinrich; just goes to show that he has lost it, HE CHOKED BIG TIME. Gilbert Arenas is so happy to be away from Flip and this sorry excuse for an NBA franchise Rashard Lewis for Gilbert Arenas...........PLEASE!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 18, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"Um, fellas, the Wiz played better than they have in weeks. Against mighty Miami.

Actually looked like an NBA team out there tonight. A big change from the last couple outings, where they more closely resembled the Guang Dong Fighting Crickets.

Of course that's not good enough for us here on WI."
Posted by: Samson151

They sure did play the best game they've played in weeks. Maybe in years. All of them.


Posted by: EestiLaps | December 18, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Flip Saunders is a NBA coach. How can you not take timeout on the inbound pass Blatche tried to pass to Young? A timeout would have taken the ball from under the basket and move it up to half court. Bad coaching.

Posted by: spades72 | December 18, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Zack, you're not a smart man. Who was the backup PG? Did Kirk foul Bosh shooting a three? Did Kirk throw the ball away in the last seconds of the game to let the Heat tie it up?

Kirk didn't cost us the game. Blatche was awful in money time and he'll be the first to tell you he spit the bit.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a smart man? You were calling the win in the 3rd qtr. Also, I'm telling you they're playing the back end of a back to back. a tough game with the Knicks. NY 's shot was there but KH kept shooting trying to find his shot. He didn't lose the game down the stretch, they should have been up by 15

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

one I'm glad Gil is gone. Dude didn't want to ball anymore so let his unprofessional @ss go...Serious choke job tonight, but I think this team will look greatly improved and real soon. I just hope Flip keeps Nick as the starting sg and has KH or JW come off the bench...Yes JW can come off the bench.

Posted by: lemekdivine | December 18, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Shame NY didnt come off the bench tonight, clearly starting damaged his fragile psyche huh?

Seriously though...really gave that one away, would have been a lovely win.

Hopefully Flip takes note of how much better the team plays with a legit SG at the SG position and a true PG running the point. He really cant put Nick on the bench when Wall returns...but he probably will.

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Kirk is the last guy on the floor who shouldve takened that shot and I mean literally. Get the ball to NY, Howard, or Dray 1st. NY made me sick on that last play. Where is the sense of urgency? Go get the ball you idiot. He just walked up the court like he was scared to even be in the play

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 18, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

and i understand that Kirk is Flip's safety blanket....but come on Flip, you coulda found him a minute here or there to get a blow. Not that surprising he missed that FT as well as few TOs late after he was stuck on the floor every second of the game.

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"Damn Kirk Hinrich!"
"Flip stayed with him way too long!"
Posted by: zack9633

"ThIS WAS ALL ON THE COACH!!! THE SERIAL SKIRT CHASER IS AS DUMB AS THEY COME I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PLAYER AS BIG AN IDIOT AS ANDRAY BLATCHE. Flip Sauders is a dumb azz and this goes to show that he has no idea what he is doing, Blatche's dumb azz would have been sitting after fouling Bosh behind the three point arc basically letting Miami back in the game and Hinrich; just goes to show that he has lost it, HE CHOKED BIG TIME."
Posted by: dargregmag

"I understand a ball player being tired but Kirk's experience should have taken over ya' think, FLIP! Or yours."
LarryInClintonMD.

Unbelievable.

I couldn't choose the dumbest post so you three get a tie for the honor.

Posted by: EestiLaps | December 18, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse


I'm not a smart man? You were calling the win in the 3rd qtr. Also, I'm telling you they're playing the back end of a back to back. a tough game with the Knicks. NY 's shot was there but KH kept shooting trying to find his shot. He didn't lose the game down the stretch, they should have been up by 15

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 9:55 PM

No, you're not a smart man. Go back and read my post. Where, exactly, did I say the Wizards were going to win? Let me help you: I never said they would win.

Kirk wasn't trying to find his shot. He was open, so he shot. You have to be an certifid idiot to scream at Hinrich while not saying a single thing about Blatche comitting TWO dumb plays within, what, 10 seconds. Those two plays literally put Miami back in the game. No escaping that, Zack.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see Gil go his was draining the team. This team really choke tonight but I think they will be greatly improved with Rashard and Howard and really soon too. Did Kirk get fouled on the last play. Yes of course but do you really think the league want the Heat to break their winning streak against the wizard especially before the big christmas game against the Lakers.

Posted by: lemekdivine | December 18, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

certified idiot ;-)

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

That was bad foul by Blatche, but Bosh had just hit a 3 previous to that and he did miss one of those FTs...wouldnt point to any specific play that cost us the game.

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

NY not used to "going to get the ball", dayum, NY played more minutes than he ever has as a Wizard! He probably needed a blow if not some oxygen down the stretch!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

So many chances to win...AAARGH! But the energy/effort was there. These are the kinds of games young, rebuilding teams have. Took a while to get there.

And lot's of low BB IQ comments on this thread tonight. Just because you're anonymous doesn't mean you're not embarrassing yourself, Zack.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 18, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

You have to be an certified idiot to scream at Hinrich while not saying a single thing about Blatche committing TWO dumb plays within, what, 10 seconds.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Kirk Hinrich played as hard as he could so I am not going to be too critical. Kirk dribbles the ball way too much and wind-up forcing things when the clock runs down. But he is what he is, a back up at best. BTW, Hinrich got fouled by LeBron on the last play.

Posted by: spades72 | December 18, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

@ts35

No way KH should have played 58 min. the last 4 are proof. I'm yelling at the screen and KH making all kind mistakes.

58? Did they make KH do the trampoline dunking halftime show while everyone else rested?

Well how about subing him for Gil! Oh wait, we traded him! (could't resist). Must admit, we played alot better that I thought we would have but this was a winnable game!

Posted by: zack9633

The question remains, who should they have subbed in for KH?

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Can we buy Rashard out and just let this roster go forward? we wont of course, but i'd rather we did

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse


That was bad foul by Blatche, but Bosh had just hit a 3 previous to that and he did miss one of those FTs...wouldnt point to any specific play that cost us the game.

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 10:04 PM

Why not, divi3? I can understand contesting the three, but it's inexcusable to foul Bosh (who's not known for hitting three's).

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

oh, geez, guys, team plays hard, competes with a superior squad, almost pulls off an upset, and we're all yelling about the coach this, the coach that, one player this, another that?

yeah, a win would have been nice but complaining about the usual suspects (from the usual suspects) is getting real old.

Posted by: MinuMang | December 18, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Clearly they need to bring in another PG. I'm guessing they re-sign Lester Hudson first thing (I believe he's still out there), then look for better options.

Question is, who goes?
N'Diaye? Gee? C-Mart?

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Why not, divi3? I can understand contesting the three, but it's inexcusable to foul Bosh (who's not known for hitting three's).

Like I said, Bosh had just drained a 3 and he missed one of those FTs. You really cant pin the loss on any one play, Wizards were intent on giving this one away

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

oh, geez, guys, team plays hard, competes with a superior squad, almost pulls off an upset, and we're all yelling about the coach this, the coach that, one player this, another that?

yeah, a win would have been nice but complaining about the usual suspects (from the usual suspects) is getting real old.

Posted by: MinuMang

I'd be inclined to go along with this line of thinking if the same team hadn't gone out and given zero effort to start other games.

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Question is, who goes?
N'Diaye? Gee? C-Mart?

I think Gee is the odd man out.

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

certified idiot ;-)

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Please! You can suck up to KH all you want to. Go back and watch the game. I called out Kirk for making mistakes in the 3rd qtr, not down the stretch. Flip stayed with KH too long without giving him a break. Now that "blow" that he didn't get ended up being costly down the stretch. Now, as for taking shots every time you "think" you're open, can often lead to a lot of missed shots if your shot isn't falling. SO down the stretch, I want my point guard that has played 48 minutes with a hot NY to make attepts to get him the ball first. Did you notice KH bringing the ball down and taking shots? Probably not but you say I'm not a smart man! Please.

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Blatche have to be more smarter than that. The foul on the three point play where he got faked out and backed into Bosh was careless. The inbound pass to Young was a bad decision but I blame Flip for not taking timeout.

Posted by: spades72 | December 18, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

NOTE TO EestiLaps; OK EIENSTEIN let's hear your take on the final two minutes this was all on the coach and Andray Blatche, had Blatche not fouled Bosh on the three point attempt then he would have not stopped the clock and had Flip called timeout after the Bosh free throws then the WIz would have gotten the ball at midcourt or better instead of playing into Miami's defensive scheme by taking ball out underneath the basket. I'm sure this is all greek to you judging by that assinine post of yours.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 18, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow. CSN just showed Gil's signing day with the Wiz, featuring EG, EJ, Gil, La Sooz and Abe. And then there was one.

I really wish things had somehow worked out differently for Gil here. At his best, he was a phenomenal player and engaging personality. Unfortunately, the flip side of that same coin is the part that lead him astray.

It probably was a good time for both sides to part ways, but still on some level sad to see him go.

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

The question remains, who should they have subbed in for KH?

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I guess in hindsight, you have a point but there were plenty of times to spell him for a breather against this team. No way I believe Flip could have thought this game was going to go down to the wire!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Hinrich sucks.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 18, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse


Like I said, Bosh had just drained a 3 and he missed one of those FTs. You really cant pin the loss on any one play, Wizards were intent on giving this one away

Posted by: divi3 |

Like I said, Bosh isn't known for hitting three's. He hit one tonight. That doesn't mean you treat him like he's Ray Allen for the rest of the night. The Wizards had been winning by three before Blatche gave Miami their last six points between his fouling and turning the ball over. Ballgame.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

It probably was a good time for both sides to part ways, but still on some level sad to see him go.

Yup. Will always love Gil, hope he kicks ass in Orlando but it was time for him to go.

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse


I guess in hindsight, you have a point but there were plenty of times to spell him for a breather against this team. No way I believe Flip could have thought this game was going to go down to the wire!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 10:25 PM

Another copout answer. Who was going to play PG for a few minutes while Hinrich was on the bench?

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, Bosh isn't known for hitting three's. He hit one tonight. That doesn't mean you treat him like he's Ray Allen for the rest of the night. The Wizards had been winning by three before Blatche gave Miami their last six points between his fouling and turning the ball over. Ballgame.

Posted by: bobabuie

Then again, if AB doesn't have one his better rebounding games lately, they might not even have been in it.

Plenty of mistakes to go around. It was a great effort, but a tough, tough loss.

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

A point guard. Did I hear somebody say, a point guard. I think we had one. That fella down in Charlotte is getting good minutes now. Knee is holding up. But the wisdom here was that Hinrich, Wall and Arenas was enough. Oh Damn, Arenas is outahere.

So why was it so easy to part ways wit that fella down in Charlotte?

Who would we sub Hinrich for, somebody asked. Well my goodness.

Sean Livingston! Sean Livingston! Sean Livingston!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 18, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse


Please! You can suck up to KH all you want to. Go back and watch the game. I called out Kirk for making mistakes in the 3rd qtr, not down the stretch. Flip stayed with KH too long without giving him a break. Now that "blow" that he didn't get ended up being costly down the stretch.

Posted by: zack9633

Umm, Zack, who was going to play point guard while Kirk got a blow? You're all talk and no substance on this "point" (no pun intended). You're harping on the third quarter, but I've got news for you: the Wiz were winning by four with 18 seconds to go in the game and then Blatche took matters into his own hands. If you can't see that, then that's alright. Then agan, maybe you're just "sucking up" to Blatche.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

You mean for the whole 48 min? Come on man! Nick didn't play 48. At that level, C Mart or NY could have spelled KH for a few minutes, just because he's your vereran point guard doesn't mean you play the full 48. What a stupid question, if he'd gotten hurt, wouldn't Flip have to put someone in to replace him? Any other 1 or 2 on that team could have relieved KH!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd be inclined to go along with this line of thinking if the same team hadn't gone out and given zero effort to start other games.

Posted by: ts35

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yeah, I can understand complaining after a game when they give zero little, but since that obviously wasn't the case in this game, what's the point?

Posted by: MinuMang | December 18, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

meant little effort (brain fade)

Posted by: MinuMang | December 18, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse


Then again, if AB doesn't have one his better rebounding games lately, they might not even have been in it.

Posted by: ts35

Maybe, maybe not, but they were in it, were winning and Blatche had a big hand in the defeat based on what he did and when he did it. That's all I'm saying. It's too easy to blame Kirk for what he did earlier in the game when there was lots of basketball still to be played.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

AB made bonehead decisions down the stretch. He took bad shots throughout the game too, steal the ball not pull it out to set the offense but take a 1 on 4 shot. This team seems to play with a 1 pass and shoot mentality. Very little sharing the ball.

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, maybe not, but they were in it, were winning and Blatche had a big hand in the defeat based on what he did and when he did it. That's all I'm saying. It's too easy to blame Kirk for what he did earlier in the game when there was lots of basketball still to be played.

Why do you have to blame either of them? Both guys contributed plenty and were a large part of why the Wiz even had a chance to win. If you want to lay blame, I'd look at their bad shooting nights overall before one foul or one missed FT

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse


C Mart or NY could have spelled KH for a few minutes, just because he's your vereran point guard doesn't mean you play the full 48. What a stupid question, if he'd gotten hurt, wouldn't Flip have to put someone in to replace him? Any other 1 or 2 on that team could have relieved KH!

Posted by: zack9633

Nick and C-Mart (especially) are not strong ballhandlers and both handle more like small forwards, not shooting guards and definitely not points. What if Hinrich had gotten hurt? LMAO. You quickly come to the conclusion that you're not winning the game, that's what. We are talking about trying to win the game, right?

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Entertaining game. When i became a FT shooting contest towards the end, I knew the Wiz were doomed. Hinrich made a crucial mistake down the stretch when he got the ball from Howard on the inbound and then passed it back to Howard. He should have held onto it and waited for the foul. Howard's never been a particularly good FT shooter, and playing his first game after 8 months off, he's really not the guy you want at the line with the game in the balance.

They seemed to play with more cohesion and energy on defense than we've generally seen this season, I think we saw some immediate positive effects of Arenas's departure tonight.

I think that's a result of both a sense of mental relief and improved focus resulting from the Arenas cloud no longer hanging over their heads. As much as they avoided saying anything about it publicly, everyone on the team and in the organization knew that Arenas didn't want to be here and the organization didn't want him here. But they were stuck with each other so everyone was forced to try and make the best of it, however uncomfortable it was. So the owner made public pronouncements about how he valued Arenas and what he meant to the team and community, despite the fact that anyone with an ounce of sense knew that was crap. So guys played out of position, with odd rotations in order to create a place for Arenas on the court, all the while talking about how important it was to have Arenas on the floor, with almost zero conviction. No one was comfortable with it and it showed. Now, with Gil gone, everyone can play more comfortably in familiar roles without having to deal with playing out of position or in unaccustomed positions to accommodate Arenas's presence.

I think this'll help team cohesion and unity, but not nearly enough to overcome their still obvious talent shortfall. They still won't win a whole lot of games, but I think they should look a lot less disheveled and scattered on the court.

Assuming that Wall comes back quick (and/or they manage to find a backup PG somewhere) and don't have to play Hinrich 48 mpg for the rest of the season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 18, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

True that! Tough loss but a game we should have won!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse


If you want to lay blame, I'd look at their bad shooting nights overall before one foul or one missed FT

Posted by: divi3

Bad shooting didn't lose this game. They were both shooting poorly and the Wizards were still winning. Why is it so painful to look at what happened when the game was on the line, there for the taking? That was Blatche, Blatche, Blatche.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

What I find odd is Flip apparently has no faith in Cartier whatsoever. Seems like the guy always plays smart and generally hits shots, but even as shorthanded as we were he only gets 2mins. Dont understand that at all.

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Man, we can do this all night but not TOnight! Okay, I get it, you LOVE KH, I don't! Peace out!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Bad shooting didn't lose this game. They were both shooting poorly and the Wizards were still winning. Why is it so painful to look at what happened when the game was on the line, there for the taking? That was Blatche, Blatche, Blatche.

AB went 8-21 and KH went 4-16, that absolutely effects the outcome. KH, AB, NY, and JH seemed to make mental errors down the stretch...I just dont see this loss as being pinned on any one player. Most especially when you factor the non-timeout before that crucial inbounds.

Posted by: divi3 | December 18, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I get it, you LOVE KH, I don't! Peace out!

Posted by: zack9633

LOL I get it. You LOVE AB. I do, too, but tonight, HE BLEW IT! I'm outta here.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 18, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Lots of people had a hand in the defeat, just like lots of people had a hand in keeping them in a position to win. Hinrich played a great floor game with 12 assists but shot the ball horribly. Blatche grabbed 12 rebounds, but settled for too many fading jumpers that clanged (it really looked like Joel Anthony had him intimidated). Howard shot the ball well and played credible defense but missed some huge FTs.

Young played great, but I think how he plays the next few games will be a real test of how well he adjusts mentally to being a starter (assuming he continues to start). He had a number of plays where he put the ball on the floor and went to the rim only to get hammered with no call. That's what happens sometimes when you're a no-name going head-to-head with superstars. If he plays through it and keeps attacking, it's a good sign. If he decides that absorbing those hits with no reward forthcoming is a fool's errand and goes back to fadeaways, then there's a problem.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 18, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

NY started? Wow. I hope they have a therapist on hand after the game to counsel him. According to some on these boards, he is in serious danger of a nervous breakdown if Flip moves him from his comfort zone coming off the bench.

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

What are the odds that Flip start Kirk with Wall once he comes back?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 18, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Dang....I knew i shouldnt watch this darn game...Im getting tired of moral victories....dang it how about a win????...another darn thing....somebody please tell blatche YOU DONT FOUL A GUY TAKING A 3 POINT SHOT.....RUN AT HIM, RUN AND JUMP AT HIM OR TRY TO DISTRACT HIM....BUT DONT FOUL HIM...DUMB A........people may say nick turnover was the final straw that broke the backs....but anybody who plays ball know you dont foul a guy shooting a 3-point shot....Blatche WAKE THE HECK UP!!!!!

Posted by: redskinsfaninnc | December 18, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

What are the odds that Flip starts Kirk with Wall once he comes back?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Imo, 99%. I'll leave the door open. But I'm guessing Flip still wants a vet in the backcourt more often than not.

Posted by: ts35 | December 18, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

"and i understand that Kirk is Flip's safety blanket....but come on Flip, you coulda found him a minute here or there to get a blow. Not that surprising he missed that FT as well as few TOs late after he was stuck on the floor every second of the game.Posted by: divi3"

Shouldn't this have been in that Dumbest Post contest? Might've got 3rd place...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 19, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

"I just dont see this loss as being pinned on any one player. Most especially when you factor the non-timeout before that crucial inbounds."

See, this is what I mean. Best performance this struggling squad has come up with in weeks, and we're debating who to pin the loss on. It's like a viral dopiness that infects our thinking.

Most nights, we don't finish within 10 points of that Miami team.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 19, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

You just wait til Rashard Lewis arrives. Now there's a warrior for ya. We see some bangin' then, word up.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 19, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young will be just find. Just get rid of dribble boy, Kirk. He lost the for us all night.

Posted by: maejude | December 19, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young will be just find. Just get rid of dribble boy, Kirk. He lost the for us all night.

Posted by: maejude | December 19, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz need another point guard. Kurt can't play 48 minutes many more times. There are 2 in the D League who are available: Aaron Miles and Antonio Daniels. You can pick young or old. Both can help.

Posted by: JoeC2 | December 19, 2010 1:02 AM | Report abuse

bad loss aside I thought this was the best I have seen the Wiz play in a long time. Gil was a complete offense and ball movement killer, guys stopped moving when he had the ball waiting to see if he was going to call his own number. I was very encouraged by everyone's play tonight. While AB may have made a bonehead play at the end he also dove on the floor to tie up ZI for a jumb (granted after his own ill-conceived drive). NY has one of the sweetest strokes in the league -- ball comes off his hand amazingly soft, guy is going to be a legitimate 2 guard in the league. Flip is not the answer but he can help these guys grow for this year and maybe one more until we can attract the type of coach who is worth making a change for.

Posted by: charlievox | December 19, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

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