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Posted at 6:55 PM ET, 12/26/2010

Open thread: Wizards (7-20) at Spurs (25-4)

By Michael Lee

John Wall will return to action after missing the past five games with a bone bruise under his right knee cap. Wall will get limited minutes as the Wizards attempt to put a halt to their 13-game road losing streak against the San Antonio Spurs, who have hte league's best record and are just 16-2 at home this season. Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee are both serving one-game suspensions for fighting with each other outside an area club early Friday morning. Rashard Lewis and Hilton Armstrong will start in their place.

Let the conversation begin in the thread below. You can also join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 7 p.m.; TV: CSN; Radio: 106.7 FM.

Check out a live box score from tonight's game here.

By Michael Lee  | December 26, 2010; 6:55 PM ET
 
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Comments

Well, the Spurs are pulling away a bit at the moment. Nick's shot isn't falling, so let's hope that changes. They don't have much scoring without him. Wall looks OK, but a shadow of his pre-injury self.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 26, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Kirk to the rescue, huh? But that's not the way the team wants to play.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 26, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

So far, so good at 57-53. I missed about five minutes but what I've seen is exactly what you'd hope for from a shorthanded team.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 26, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why Martin hasn't seen any minutes?
Without Blatche, Lewis has to play the 4.
Seems like they could use his outside touch tonight.

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 26, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Notice the interior defense is a little better tonight? Not many blocks or steals, but SA has been beating us from the 3 point line... it won't be enough, but still...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 26, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

it is what it is.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 26, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Once at full strength, I like a front 5 of Wall, Howard, Lewis, Blatche, Mcgee. I like the backcourt D & the length in that frontcourt. That group can run, score, defend, & board overall as a unit. A couple vets mixed in with the younguns.

Off the bench wit Hinrich, Young, AT, Book, Seraphin & Yi/Armstrong.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 26, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Once at full strength, I like a front 5 of Wall, Howard, Lewis, Blatche, Mcgee. I like the backcourt D & the length in that frontcourt. That group can run, score, defend, & board overall as a unit. A couple vets mixed in with the younguns.

Off the bench wit Hinrich, Young, AT, Book, Seraphin & Yi/Armstrong.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 26, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Once at full strength, I like a front 5 of Wall, Howard, Lewis, Blatche, Mcgee. I like the backcourt D & the length in that frontcourt. That group can run, score, defend, & board overall as a unit. A couple vets mixed in with the younguns.

Off the bench wit Hinrich, Young, AT, Book, Seraphin & Yi/Armstrong.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 26, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Once at full strength, I like a front 5 of Wall, Howard, Lewis, Blatche, Mcgee. I like the backcourt D & the length in that frontcourt. That group can run, score, defend, & board overall as a unit. A couple vets mixed in with the younguns.

Off the bench wit Hinrich, Young, AT, Book, Seraphin & Yi/Armstrong.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 26, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Look, we gotta trade Blatche!

I we can deal Blatche for COUSINS DO IT!!

If we can deal Blatche, Mcgee, draft pick for Love DO IT!!

WE NEED A LEGIT STARTING CENTER, TRADE BLATCHE!!!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 26, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what can be taken from a game like this. The Spurs are in another class. Hopefully, Ted was taking notes.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 26, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Blatche or McGee is getting traded. I'd say Blatche is more likely because he has less upside at this point: he has not shown any consistency in terms of his performance and his maturity. He's always been "one step forward, two steps back" and this season is a glaring example of that fact. I say keep McGee because he's younger and has a few more years worth of upside left in him.

Still, I dunno what you can get for Blatche. At this point, it's akin to a bag of potato chips. Maybe a 2nd rounder or a bench player.

Posted by: Crunkenstein | December 26, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Note to djnnnou; Ted ain't taking any notes on this sorry bunch, if he's doing anything he was watching his Caps beat Carolina in hockey. The Spurs are a "Machine" their coach doesn't have to worry about two sorry azz underachievers getting into a fight because Greg Poppivich commands and demands respect his players are all about winning you think Tony Parker's pending issues with Eva Longoria distract him from his game? not a chance. Andray Blatche and Javale McGee wouldn't think of going out and getting into trouble on Poppivich watch,well first off they wouldn't make the team but by some miracle if they did they wouldn't pull a stunt like they did in DC. The difference between the Spur's and the Wizards i mean other than the fact that the Spurs win and the Wiz lose is like night and day so djnnnou don't think for one moment that Ted Leonsis is taking notes.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 26, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Notice the interior defense is a little better tonight?

No.

Posted by: divi3 | December 26, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Armstrong did a decent job on Duncan and was solid on the boards. But the Spurs were so hot from the outside that it didn't really matter. Lewis played pretty well, mixing outside shots with drives to the basket. Well enough that Saunders may have to consider a change to the starting lineup? We'll see.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 26, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Blatche for Robin Lopez I would do that!!!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 26, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Shout out to MJ as a suckee owner after Larry Brown is relieved of his duties. Someone tell Wilbon that MJ sucks as an owner too.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Rashard can certainly shoot. 42% from the field, 4 of 8 from the arc, to go with his 12 boards. Made up some for an off-night by Nick Young and the absence of Blatche. You had to like Armstrong's 13 boards in only 29 minutes. That was a 51-47 rebound edge. We haven't seen much of that this season.

But no, the Spurs were never in any danger. They're 17-2 at home for a reason.

Overall, I thought the interior defense was somewhat improved. Tim Duncan's 2 for 9 was only part of it; Blair went 4 for 11 and McDyess 1 for 3. Matt Bonner was better but he doesn't spend that much time inside. The Wiz weren't getting blocks or steals, but they weren't fouling, either, which is a change.

If a good team shoots from outside as well as San Antonio did, they're probably going to beat you, and San Antonio is a very good team. But two things we didn't see tonight -- the Wiz getting knocked out of it early and having to endure a blowout, and the Wiz looking ragged and undisciplined. Instead, they seemed like what they are: a not very talented club struggling to keep up with its betters.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 26, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I went to the game tonight and why don't the Wizard guards defend the 3 point shot?

Why do the point guards dribble the ball so much, it reminds me of the same offense they ran last year...dribble the ball and either go one on one or by the time they pass the ball there is no time left to pass the ball around to find the open man.

Seraphin looked like a stiff...there was one play where Blair stood (all 6'7") and grabbed like 4 rebounds before making a shot while the Wizards had 4 guys in the paint.

Name one draft pick other then Wall that Ernie has drafted in the last 7 years that looks like he could be a starter on a good team?

NY didn't play D and if his shot isn't going in then what good is it if he scores 10 points and lets the guy he is guarding score 20?

18 ast and 14 TO's?

Kirk is slow and there is no way he is going to guard any of the quicker guards in the league.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 26, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

"Seraphin looked like a stiff...there was one play where Blair stood (all 6'7") and grabbed like 4 rebounds before making a shot while the Wizards had 4 guys in the paint." posted by bulletsfan78

Hmmm... you know Blair only had 4 boards tonight, right? All in that one play, apparently.

"Name one draft pick other then Wall that Ernie has drafted in the last 7 years that looks like he could be a starter on a good team?"

Well, a number of them have looked pretty good for stretches. Last season folks were filling out Blatche's All-Star ballot, and just a few weeks back Javale was being touted as a major force. There's certainly no shortage of Nick Young fans here.

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder.

"NY didn't play D and if his shot isn't going in then what good is it if he scores 10 points and lets the guy he is guarding score 20?"

Not much good at all, but you forget that Nick is a superb defender -- check posts from divi3 and several cohorts.

Once again, it's in the eye of the beholder. And Ted thanks you for attending the game and hopefully coughing up some $$.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 26, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

You had to like Armstrong's 13 boards in only 29 minutes. That was a 51-47 rebound edge. We haven't seen much of that this season.

Overall, I thought the interior defense was somewhat improved. Tim Duncan's 2 for 9 was only part of it; Blair went 4 for 11 and McDyess 1 for 3. Matt Bonner was better but he doesn't spend that much time inside.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 26, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding...did you even watch the game?

Both Duncan and McDyess looked like they were saving their energy for the playoffs.

Ernie will probably give Armstrong a 3 year contract extension based on his game tonight?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 27, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

And Ted thanks you for attending the game and hopefully coughing up some $$.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 26, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Why would Ted thank me?

The game was in San Antonio...sounds like someone just writes about the games without watching them too me.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 27, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

"Kirk is slow and there is no way he is going to guard any of the quicker guards in the league.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

He's definitely at a disadvantage against Tony Parker. But overall he played pretty well -- 15 points on 7-10 shooting, 7 assists, 2 steals, 4 TOs. And gave Wall a chance to work back in slowly.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

"Name one draft pick other then Wall that Ernie has drafted in the last 7 years that looks like he could be a starter on a good team?"

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 26, 2010 11:37 PM

Well, considering that other than Wall none of those picks was taken earlier than 16, that's not exactly a shock. Your odds of finding surefire early-career starters goes down the deeper into the draft you go.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 27, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

"Why would Ted thank me?The game was in San Antonio...sounds like someone just writes about the games without watching them too me.
Posted by: bulletsfan78"

LOL not many people attend a Spurs game to root for the Wiz. Ted appreciates that. Or maybe you're rooting for the Spurs.

I don't remember seeing DeJuan Blair snag those 4 boards on one play, however. Have to adjust my TV to the 'exaggerate' setting.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Well, considering that other than Wall none of those picks was taken earlier than 16, that's not exactly a shock. Your odds of finding surefire early-career starters goes down the deeper into the draft you go.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 27, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Only you and Samson would accept such low expectations from a GM?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 27, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Your odds of finding surefire early-career starters goes down the deeper into the draft you go.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 27, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Parker 28th pick
Ginobili 57th pick
Blair 37th pick
Hill 26th pick

3 starters and the sixth man on a pretty good team...

but I wouldn't expect you to understand the facts so go ahead and just call me a name since you never have an answer for when you are wrong (which is always).

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 27, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember seeing DeJuan Blair snag those 4 boards on one play, however. Have to adjust my TV to the 'exaggerate' setting.

Posted by: Samson151

Sad to say, this one is actually not an exaggeration. It happened with about :30 left in the 3rd. But to be fair / accurate....

Blair kicked the ball out to Bonner for a three, Lewis and Seraphin both went out to challenge the shot, which Bonner missed. Blair outmuscled Howard, Wall and KH for a tip -- he fended off Howard with one arm and tipped with the other -- which missed and dropped in his lap for a second tip, which missed, then he muscled JH, Wall and KH for the board, tried a layup, and missed. At this point Lewis had recovered, but Blair still outmuscled everyone for a 4th rebound, which he finally put back.

Seraphin challenged the Bonner three aggressively, so he took himself out of the play, and didn't recover until the very end of the sequence. It looked like he assumed Blair was going to make any of the three first attempts.

So, it's not like Blair got 4 rebounds on one play against Armstrong, Booker and Seraphin or something, but he did get 4 boards (or two tips and two boards) on one play.

Posted by: ts35 | December 27, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember seeing DeJuan Blair snag those 4 boards on one play, however. Have to adjust my TV to the 'exaggerate' setting.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Sorry it was 3, it seemed like 4 at the game, but since you thought the game was in DC I guess you weren't watching it...

http://www.nba.com/games/20101226/WASSAS/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000443#nbaGIboxscore

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 27, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Here's a fact and an answer:

Naming 4 players out of the scores of players taken after the after the first half of the 1st round in the last 7 years does nothing to refute the statement "Your odds of finding surefire early-career starters goes down the deeper into the draft you go." Absolutely, positively nothing. Even less so since, by your own admission, one of the players you mentioned is, in fact, a backup. You do know how "odds" work, right? (The available evidence suggests you don't.)

Oh, and since you asked so nicely . . . you're a tool. And not the useful kind.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 27, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Your odds of finding surefire early-career starters goes down the deeper into the draft you go

kalo_rama

One team can pick good players with thier late 1st round and second round draft picks

You're defending Ernie who hasn't drafted 1 good player in 7 years and he had 2 5th picks that he traded for who AJ, MM and Foye?

but I'm the "tool"?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 27, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

"One team can pick good players with thier late 1st round and second round draft picks "

True. But since I never said they couldn't, utterly irrelevant. I said the odds of being able to do so decrease the deeper into the draft you go. And they do. (And then, of course, there's the fact that playing on a team like the Spurs has the habit of making 2nd unit guys look better than they'd look on lesser teams. That one's a fact too, since you're now pretending to care about those.) Still waiting for you to actually address what I said, rather than what you made up. (Not holding my breath, though.)

"You're defending Ernie who hasn't drafted 1 good player in 7 years and he had 2 5th picks that he traded for who AJ, MM and Foye?"

The only thing I'm "defending" are facts, and logic. Grunfeld can fend for himself.

"but I'm the "tool"?"

Yes. Yes, you are.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 27, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

I said the odds of being able to do so decrease the deeper into the draft you go. And they do. (And then, of course, there's the fact that playing on a team like the Spurs has the habit of making 2nd unit guys look better than they'd look on lesser teams. That one's a fact too, since you're now pretending to care about those.) Still waiting for you to actually address what I said, rather than what you made up. (Not holding my breath, though.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 27, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Okay you are right it is harder to find a good player later in the draft.

but my statement was Ernie hasn't found one good player in 7 years and now when I prove it's possible to pick players with late 1st round and 2nd round picks you say it's because they play for the Spurs?

Maybe it's the green water they drink from the Riverwalk?

Are you willing to admit Ernie is a bad GM since he hasn't found one good player in 7 years?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 27, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

"Name one draft pick other then Wall that Ernie has drafted in the last 7 years that looks like he could be a starter on a good team?"

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Your odds of finding surefire early-career starters goes down the deeper into the draft you go

Posted by: kalo_rama

Impossible, really, to answer BF's question because there are too many factors to consider. Not the least of which is that it's impossible to say how players like AB, McGee or NY might have developed differently on different teams (if differently at all). And also the lack of a specific definition for what constitutes a 'good' team.

But for grins, I decided to take a look at the last 7 drafts ('04-'10) to see which teams have drafted (and kept through the beginning of the season, or acquired on draft day) players who could be considered players who could start on good teams. Since there is no definitive standard for that, some are more open to debate than others. Given that BF made a point of excluding Wall, I excluded #1/#1s from consideration.

In my "YES, they have drafted a starting quality player for a good team in the past 7 years" column:

Atlanta
Boston
Chicago
Charlotte
Dallas
Golden State
Houston
Indiana
Clippers
Lakers
Memphis
New Jersey
New Orleans
New York
OKC
Orlando
Philly
Portland
Sacramento
San Antonio (Parker and Ginobili are not included)
Utah.

In the MAYBE column:
Detroit (depends on how you feel about Stuckey)
T-Wolves (Same with Love)
Cleveland (Varejao)

In the NO column:
Miami
Toronto
Denver
Phoenix
Milwaukee


Phoenix is actually a weird case, because they have actually drafted a lot of interesting players, they just haven't kept any of them (Rondo, Deng, Gortat, Nate Robinson). They also have a tendency to draft the brothers of guys who are really good (RLopez and TGriffin).

It's definitely debatable where AB, NY and McGee fall on that quality spectrum. Certainly none have proven yet that they could be starters on a good team.

So, in comparing EG's record to BF's standard, it seems that a significant majority of other teams (good, average, and mediocre) have been able to draft at least one quality starting-caliber-for-a-good-team player out of the past 7 drafts.

EG's record is mitigated somewhat by using one of his draft picks to acquire AJ, who was a starter on a playoff team for most of his tenure here.


Posted by: ts35 | December 27, 2010 2:44 AM | Report abuse

"Parker 28th pick
Ginobili 57th pick
Blair 37th pick
Hill 26th pick
3 starters and the sixth man on a pretty good team. 3 starters and the sixth man on a pretty good team...but I wouldn't expect you to understand the facts so go ahead and just call me a name since you never have an answer for when you are wrong (which is always).Posted by: bulletsfan78"

The statement wasn't that it was impossible, just that the odds were against it. And they are. To make Grunfeld seem incompetent (your goal), seems to me you'd have to compare his record to the rest of the league, not just one club.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 5:25 AM | Report abuse

To make Grunfeld seem incompetent (your goal), seems to me you'd have to compare his record to the rest of the league, not just one club.


Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 5:25 AM | Report abuse

Grunfeld's Wizards 7-21 3rd worst record in the NBA...that was hard

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 27, 2010 5:30 AM | Report abuse

"Parker 28th pick
Ginobili 57th pick
Blair 37th pick
Hill 26th pick"

BTW, you notice that Parker and Ginobili were drafted in 2001 and 1999, respectively? outside the 7 year parameter of Grunfeld's tenure.

Blair 'starts' for the Spurs, but would he start on many other good teams in the NBA (which I believe was your criteria)? Lakers, Celts, Mavs, Hawks, Bulls, Jazz -- there's a better PF ahead of him. Magic, Thunder, Rockets -- they don't play his style of basketball. His best bet would be Miami, in the Udonis Haslem role.

Not to take away from Blair's achievements, which are considerable in view of his medical history. You would also have to consider that he seems to be having something of an off-year individually.

That's the thing about starting lineups: they're more important to some coaches than others. Popovich is one of those who experiments with starters. Don't forget Fab Oberto started for him.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 5:40 AM | Report abuse

"To make Grunfeld seem incompetent (your goal), seems to me you'd have to compare his record to the rest of the league, not just one club.Posted by: Samson151"
"Grunfeld's Wizards 7-21 3rd worst record in the NBA...that was hard"
Posted by: bulletsfan78"

His record in terms of drafting -- that was the criteria you set.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 5:42 AM | Report abuse

"So, in comparing EG's record to BF's standard, it seems that a significant majority of other teams (good, average, and mediocre) have been able to draft at least one quality starting-caliber-for-a-good-team player out of the past 7 drafts."

Well, let's go back and take a look at that standard:
"Name one draft pick other then Wall that Ernie has drafted in the last 7 years that looks like he could be a starter on a good team?"Posted by: bulletsfan78"

TS listed 22 teams that he believed had drafted 1 starting quality player in 7 years. And 8 that didn't (or maybe didn't). He excluded #1 picks, which effectively eliminated the Wizards' best player, John Wall. So in another sense, he actually demonstrated that the Wiz' record in this one measure is no worse than that of 8 other teams over that same period.

And look at some of those teams in TS's bottom tier: Miami, Phoenix, Denver, Milwaukee -- all have been in the playoffs during that period.

We haven't even gotten to the question of whether McGee, Blatche, and Nick Young would start on a good team.

So IMO the problem isn't that Ernie succeeds or fails in meeting that particular standard; it's that the standard itself is arbitrary and probably bogus. But that was BF's original intention. To set up a standard that Ernie would fail.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Some of you draftniks would probably enjoy this article on the Celts' mixed history in the NBA draft:

http://www.nesn.com/2010/06/celtics-draft-history-a-mixed-bag-of-busts-ballers-tragedies-and-trades.html

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 6:03 AM | Report abuse

'Scuse me, TS found 21 teams that met BF's standard, and 8 that didn't, including the Wiz.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Sorry again -- shouldn't have hit that button so quickly -- 8 that didn't, excluding Washington.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 6:08 AM | Report abuse

"but my statement was Ernie hasn't found one good player in 7 years... bulletsfan78"

See, part of the problem is that the target keeps moving. Somehow it's stopped being 'starting caliber playerd on a good team excluding overall number one picks', which was where it began.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 6:12 AM | Report abuse

"Only you and Samson would accept such low expectations from a GM?Posted by: bulletsfan78"

It's not the GM I have low expectations for -- it's the team. Ownership made a conscious decision to 'blow it up' last year, after Abe's death and with Ted's role still unresolved. That was on Ernie's recommendation. Once that decision was made, and those trades realized, we were looking at a long, hard campaign. Based on the best projections I could find, they entered this season looking at 19 wins and 63 losses, and after a third of the season, they still are.

Right now, they're pretty much on course for that.

So I see it the record as a direct result of the strategy. Maybe it gets a little better, maybe a little worse, but overall, they're right on course.

For the lottery, not the playoffs. But they knew that.

It's mainly hard on the fans. We like a winner. If we had our way, there would never be any down cycles in the life of our teams. The Wiz would still be going to the first round of the playoffs and losing to Cleveland -- hey, Cleveland would not beat us this year!

The Wiz are taking a big gamble, and they may lose. Ted gambled before, on the Caps, and won, so that probably sustains him. We'll either stay interested as fans through the process, or we'll drop away. Ted knows that, and knows it's inevitable.

Some of us appear not to.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

"So, it's not like Blair got 4 rebounds on one play against Armstrong, Booker and Seraphin or something, but he did get 4 boards (or two tips and two boards) on one play.Posted by: ts35"

LOL In other words, he didn't get 4 boards -- he got 2 boards and 2 tips. His rebound total was 4, right? And he definitely got another rebound somewhere, didn't he?

I remember Dennis Rodman used to do that a lot. A great tip artist.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

As Wall gets healthy, I really hope Flip decides to have KH as a backup PG. Never seen a starting PG the you hope to win with, having as many years in the league get the ball taken from him so much! Reminds me of that "clueless" guy walking the crowded streets in NYC with that big bulky wallet in his back pocket . . . you know the rest of the story!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 27, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

arguing on the internet... is there anything more idiotic in life? certainly, but not many. But don't let me get in the way. Let those furious fingers attack those keys with fervor. Riveting stuff...

Posted by: unkonchus | December 27, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

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