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Posted at 5:30 PM ET, 12/29/2010

Open thread: Wizards (7-22) vs. Pacers (13-16)

By Gene Wang

The Washington Wizards will be without Coach Flip Saunders for tonight's game because of a family emergency, so top assistant Randy Wittman will fill in as the the team tries to snap a two-game losing streak. The starting lineup looks like it's going to be Kirk Hinrich and Nick Young in the back court with Rashard Lewis, Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee up front. Washington has used 14 starting lineups this season, and it will be 15 once John Wall is reinserted.

Let the conversation begin in the thread below. You can also join the conversation on Twitter with Gene Wang (@gene_wang). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 8:30 p.m.; TV: CSN; Radio: 106.7 FM.

Check out a live box score from tonight's game here.

By Gene Wang  | December 29, 2010; 5:30 PM ET
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Comments

Really? I mean.....why comment on BLATCHE's play?

Oh, why not. He plays when it suits him, and plays great, but all too often he just shows up for the paycheck.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Great. Not starting Wall again? This team is so stupid

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 29, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Game is @ 7, not sure why this says 8:30.

Cousins, R.Lopez, J.Hill are a couple I'd consider for Blatche. Tough cause he got skills, love his passing, but he rarely shows it. He woulda really benefited from playin college.

Eddie looks pretty good in hindsight Ernie criticized him not playin Blatche enough or Pecherov or Kwame. Perhaps Eddie actually knew what he was doing??

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

That's what Laura and the kids get for eating the big piece of chicken...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/28/AR2010122803631.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 29, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

is it me or has Javalle missed like every single dunk lately?

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 29, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Ted should fire FLIP & bring back Eddie or possibly JT3. Drop ERNIE GRUNFELD & snag Danny Ferry. Return to BULLETS!!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Also IMO they should immediately retire & hang The Agent 0 jersey. As futile this franchise been his shot vs Bulls in the playoffs & his 60 pt game are enough reasons alone. I think it would resolve his bad ending & legacy here. And really, who else could wear that # here?

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Also IMO they should immediately retire & hang The Agent 0 jersey. As futile this franchise been his shot vs Bulls in the playoffs & his 60 pt game are enough reasons alone. I think it would resolve his bad ending & legacy here. And really, who else could wear that # here?

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I am so disappointed with the Wizards. However my feeling is that the problem is not with the players but with the coach. We need to get rid of Flip. Imagine Flip sees Blatche not having a good game a few games in the past and says it is best to have him work through it. I think that is a preposterous statement, clearly Blatche is dribbling way too much, if only he plays in the low post and catches then shoots as much as possible this would make him a more productive player. Flip needs to go... thank the lord he is not there tonight.

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Also IMO they should immediately retire & hang The Agent 0 jersey. As futile this franchise been his shot vs Bulls in the playoffs & his 60 pt game are enough reasons alone. I think it would resolve his bad ending & legacy here. And really, who else could wear that # here?

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Also IMO they should immediately retire & hang The Agent 0 jersey. As futile this franchise been his shot vs Bulls in the playoffs & his 60 pt game are enough reasons alone. I think it would resolve his bad ending & legacy here. And really, who else could wear that # here?

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Imagine wanting to trade Blatche and/or McGhee. what utter nonsense. Who are you going to get in return? I hope that we are also seeing that John Wall is a work in progress and is not going to give us what we want in the short term. John has to learn to play 82 games. He is just not proving to be durable at this point in time.

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I know Flip is cursing at the TV, Whittman left KH on the bench to start the 2nd half.

Posted by: zack9633 | December 29, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Sorry bout the multiple posts, it wouldn't go through.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Finally I am so disappointed when my owner tells me that a player will not be traded and then within days the player is traded. I for one believe that Gil should have been traded but I detest when an owner tells his fan base that a user will not be traded and the reverse happens. I have not heard a single commentator comment on this. What a shame on the reporters.

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry bout the multiple posts, it wouldn't go through.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry bout the multiple posts, it wouldn't go through.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Pardon me for assuming, but I thought that Cassel was the first assistant. Did anybodyelse think that as well?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Our problem is that not one single person on our roster has a hot J right now yet all we do is shoot J's and I mean thats all we do. Wall is the only guy who drives and whenever he does then we score but other then that, we dont.

Alot of it is Flip's stupid system but the players also have to take responsibilty. Dray is making me sick like Gil use to even in his prime at the end. Gil was the biggest/strongest PG out there and dominated guys in the post but got to the point where he was going there less & less and the times he did go there, he just started facing up immediatly. Thats Dray now. He's either a jump shooter or he drives. The times we do give it to him on the block, he immediatly faces up now.

Flip has to tell him to back guys down like he did alot late last year. He also has to tell both him & NY to keep backing guys down until they make you stop and then do a move. Alot of times Dray & NY will back someone down but they will only take like 2 dribbles and then fade away. NO, keep going until they make you pick your dribble up.

Then we also have to get both NY & Josh to slash. They are our slashers and both are settling for J's. Thats what the Mavs fans said Howard started to do and they hated it just like we hated Caron doing it. Drive the ball and post up guys. Do this and we will be a different team. Same goes for Lewis. He should kill guys on the block at the 3 spot

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 29, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

On the money dlts2041

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Please someone speak to Blatche. If he operates as a low post player he will be more effective. He is not a good outside shooter, he is a lot better in the low post. He is a great rebounder but not a great outside shooter.

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

KH is hurt. Damn!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 29, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

On the money dlts2041

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

We should go to Mcgee more offensively.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

LOL the comments tonight are just wild.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 29, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Up by 14, be nice to see us finish the game!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 29, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that I would trade Blatche. Is Ernie Grunfield really smart enough to get a better value in a trade than Blatche coming in?

To trade Blatche or McGee because they had a dust up would not be a good move. Both of them have expressed sincere remorse.

Mr. Ted Leonsis must know that good character also is embodied in how a person responds to his mistakes as well.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Another reflection on Flip. The Wiz should be a 90% free throw shooting team. There is absolutely no reason why a professional team should not be shooting 90 to 95%. We are way too inconsistent and we have good shooters. I would begin and end my training session with 15 straight free throws, if you are on the first team you do not shower unless you make your free throws. If on the second team you are allowed one miss. Make it interesting have some competition among the team. We need to be more consistent with our free throw percentage.

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Will he bring McGee back in after they cut it to 10 with two baskets slammed through the hoop?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

For some reason the game isn't on national TV?

How can NY have 3 ast's when the team is shooting 37.8%?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

KH is hurt. Damn!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 29, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

There goes the Wizard's chance at a championship this year

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Another reflection on Flip. The Wiz should be a 90% free throw shooting team Posted by: B2CC

I totally disgree that that's a reflection on Flip. These guys are pros that work on parts of their game all he time and over the summer. You can shoot 10,000 free throws in practice and still not be able to execute in a game. Just ask Shaq or Dwight Howard.

Posted by: zack9633 | December 29, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Please someone speak to Blatche. If he operates as a low post player he will be more effective. He is not a good outside shooter, he is a lot better in the low post. He is a great rebounder but not a great outside shooter.

Posted by: B2CC

I will say this again. "Blatche does not want to play inside".

Posted by: zack9633 | December 29, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Ive said it a million times. I dont ever ever ever wish injury on anyone but Flip was seemingly never ever going to bench Kirk. Wall would probably be on the bench for 5 more games atleast and when he finally started then NY wouldve went to the bench.

This injury saves us and now we finally get to see what our real starting lineup can do. Now we can see how good we are and if we are capable of making the playoffs

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 29, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

For some reason the game isn't on national TV?

How can NY have 3 ast's when the team is shooting 37.8%?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

LMAO

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Ok, guys do you see why John Wall is not ready for prime time. As a point guard he _must_ know to get the ball over the half line in 8 secs.... not yet ready....
If I was his coach he would have to shoot 50 consecutive free throws for that turnover.

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

There is two things that are major in this game. 1) Flip did not coach it and 2) The absence of Kirk Hinrich.

One has to wonder if those two things are a measureable contributing factor to this 14 point win over a good Indiana team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Crazy talk, we have no shooters in the calibre of Shaq or Howard, that is why we should be a 90% shooting team. Flip is to blame for this........

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

For some reason the game isn't on national TV?

How can NY have 3 ast's when the team is shooting 37.8%?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse


LMAO

on another note , Flip better hurry up and get back. There's waaaaaaaaayyyy too much smiling going on. And there is NO smiling in basketball.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"Another reflection on Flip. The Wiz should be a 90% free throw shooting team. There is absolutely no reason why a professional team should not be shooting 90 to 95%."

Um -- how many teams in the NBA shoot 90-95% from the line?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 29, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Martin was nice off the bench and hit some big shots. If KH hadn't have gotten hurt, Martin probably would have another DNP.

Posted by: zack9633 | December 29, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

our record sucks but we are still only 4 games out of the playoffs. Ive been waiting literally all year to get our real starting lineup on the floor and we never ever use it, despite us losing every single game. Now we will have it and Im interested to see what we do.

Infact, again I dont wish injury on anyone but I hope Kirk is out one more game because I think even if he comes off the bench, they will find a way to still play him a ton. If he misses the next game and we play good then he wont or atleast "shouldnt" steal alot of minutes away from Wall,NY, Lewis, or Howard. They should all get the minutes over Kirk.

Kirk can get the 12 backup minutes from Wall's 36 and he can maybe get another 15 or so from NY's 33min while Howard & Lewis split time at the 3 and Lewis can also backup the bigs. Kirk has played very well but we are an athletic running team and he isnt. He's also just not better then those other guys I named. its that simple

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 29, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"There is two things that are major in this game. 1) Flip did not coach it and 2) The absence of Kirk Hinrich.
One has to wonder if those two things are a measureable contributing factor to this 14 point win over a good Indiana team.
LarryInClintonMD."

LOL one thing about that Larry -- he does not quit, no matter what.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 29, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe that someone will say that Blatche does not want to play inside. So did Haynesworth who also did not want to play nose guard. When you are being paid a max of 28 million over a period of "x" years (not sure of the exact time period) you play where you can best help the team. Just check the stats for Blatche over the last 4 or 5 games, he has far too many turnovers.... crazy, is he a point guard.... hell no. You play where you are most effective....... Any reason why McGhee is not playing towards the end of the game...... I just wish Flip is not there on
Friday.

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Stats that lie...

NY 42:57 9 Reb 3 ast 25 pts
AB 38:49 11 reb 4 ast 22 pts
JM 21:39 10 reb 4 bs 16 pts

all the guys Ernie and Flip want to trade?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Nice win. Good D, Hustle, ball movement. Liked Wittman getting in Martin & Booker. Liked the Wall, Young, Howard, Lewis, Blatche unit that ran awhile. Hmm, did AT play at all? Good game Wizards.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 29, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Nice game! I like Blatche when he plays inside and physical. He drives me nuts when he gets the ball on the left side then starts to dribble like he's going to drive to the basket with a double team on him. Drives me crazy but when he's active inside rebounding he's a nice player. Nick Young is still my surprise of the year. I thought this guy would never get it but he's become a pretty solid player both defensively and offensively. Defensively these guys were pretty darn good tonight and that kept us in the game when we were shooting below 30% for a long stretch. Yeah the Pacers aren't a very good team either but it was nice to see us hit the gas at the end and cruise to a victory.

ps Cartier Martin had a nice game tonight in relief.

Posted by: LaureninGlenBurnie | December 29, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Someone asks who shoots 90 to 95% in the NBA.... You aim for the sky and you fall on the tree tops.... This is the only area that we can compete in with the the other teams and win, if we are committed. Do you know how many wins we would have had in the last two or three seasons if we were equal or better than the opposing team. Go check....

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

@BF 78 yeah those guys are A$$ lls

comical note of the nite

After Javale hits a sweeping hook in the lane Chenier says "yeah Javale's been working with GENE BANKS on getting full extension..." had to laugh out loud at that one. Dou your thang gene

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Someone asks who shoots 90 to 95% in the NBA.... You aim for the sky and you fall on the tree tops.... This is the only area that we can compete in with the the other teams and win, if we are committed. Do you know how many wins we would have had in the last two or three seasons if we were equal or better than the opposing team. Go check....

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

You have to be happy with the way the game went, even if it took Cartier Martin going 4-6 from the field (3 for 3 from the arc) to bring the FG percentage up close to 40%. Indiana helped us out by fouling and turning the ball over -- thank you, Indiana. Javale's best game since his hot streak, and in only 21 minutes.

Congrats, guys.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 29, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"Someone asks who shoots 90 to 95% in the NBA.... You aim for the sky and you fall on the tree tops.... This is the only area that we can compete in with the the other teams and win, if we are committed. Do you know how many wins we would have had in the last two or three seasons if we were equal or better than the opposing team. Go check....Posted by: B2CC"

Tell you what: you go check how many teams shoot 90-95% from the line.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 29, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Finally, I am so fed up with the Comcast Sportsnet commentary crew and studio crew. Call it as you see it, I know your jobs are at stake if you call it as it is but you know if you do then we just may have a better team......

Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

"I cannot believe that someone will say that Blatche does not want to play inside. So did Haynesworth who also did not want to play nose guard" Posted by: B2CC

If Blatche got paid Haynesworth money, he still wouldn't play inside. He's not comfortable playing a low post game otherwise he would. He thinks he's more effective playing on the perimeter. Do you know how many people on this blog says the same thing? Do you really think the coaches don't see that as well?

Posted by: zack9633 | December 29, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

are yall listening to whitman on the post game presser

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I really hope we/the The Bullet organization aren't sleeping on the style of the way a player like Blatche plays.

Believe it or not, Andre Blatche falls into those players who have a natural feel for the game.

Players like Keith the Silk Wilkes, Bob (Smooth) McAdoo, Phil Chenier, George The Iceman Gervin, James Worthy are great players that had a natural feel for the game.

Despite all of the negatives that one might want to site about Blatche, he has a natural feel for the game. He isn't a tough lunchbox guy like a Unseld, or Mahorn, etcetera. He never will be.

The Boston Celtics are one of the best in the NBA becuase for years they excelled at getting players and enabling those players to do make the best of their individual talents.

We the Bullets cannot continue to want players to conform to expectations that they are not. We must propel them to perform the best they can with the talents they have and mesh those talents to a team concept as the Celtics, the Lakers, and other Champions have done.

That is real coaching.

We will never win anything trying to conform players to playing how we think they should be playing if it doesn't fit there style.

Randy Wittman said some interesting things in his post presser. It seems he might have more of an insight on this than his immediate boss.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

NY has the meanest booger in his post game interview

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Stats that lie...

NY 42:57 9 Reb 3 ast 25 pts
AB 38:49 11 reb 4 ast 22 pts
JM 21:39 10 reb 4 bs 16 pts

all the guys Ernie and Flip want to trade?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 9:31 PM

Yeah, Nick they say just doesn't get it and smiles too much, AB is too soft, and JM is all Run and Jump. Yeah, we gotta get rid of them guys BF78.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Stats that lie...

NY 42:57 9 Reb 3 ast 25 pts
AB 38:49 11 reb 4 ast 22 pts
JM 21:39 10 reb 4 bs 16 pts

all the guys Ernie and Flip want to trade?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 9:31 PM | Report ab

Thanks. The defense of these guys particularly Nivk Young and Javale tonight were critical. The most important part of the game was Javale's ability tom get Roy in foul trouble which limited him to 5 points in 15 minutes.

Nick Young is quickly becopming the best and most important player on this team, something GI\il was trying to tell us all along,

Lastly, what fool would trade either one of these guys and what would you get for them.

Posted by: NewManagement | December 29, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

NOTE TO LARRYINCLINTONMD. You speak heresy my friend you have the unmitigated gall to mention The Serial Skirt Chaser in the breath with Keith(Silk) Wilkes, Bob McAdoo, Phil Cheneir, and George Gervin !!!!!!! DUDE!! you need to put that "bottle of water" down leave that "boat" alone son you've got to know that a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Andray Blatche doesn't feel anything for the game of basketball except his paycheck or one of those skeezers rubbin up against him at da club. There of the four men you just mentioned were "pro's" they took their craft seriously they prepared mentally and physically for the game they weren't throwing down outside da club against their teammate and making fools of themselves. George Gervin had a bout with cocaine but at the height of his career he was virtually unstoppable on a nightly basis. Larry my man you are way out their putting Blatche in that kind of company.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 29, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Lastly, what fool would trade either one of these guys and what would you get for them.

Posted by: NewManagement | December 29, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Ernie would get a couple of 30 year old over the hill average combo players and no draft picks?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

and play them 40 mins a game at the expense of the young players development

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I was just watching Paul Silas, a tough lunchbox player, giving a post game interview on NBA-TV and he was enthused about giving confidence and positiveness to his players.

He expressed more than once that he wanted them to play the game on the court and not look over their shoulders. He would teach them and counsel when needed but they had to know that he understood that they were the ones to make it happen on the court.

A very smart man and a great player. I loved watching Paul Silas play and he might just do a great job with Charlotte.

You could see the glint in his eyes when he described DJ Agustin dribbling between his legs and stepping back for the three through the hoop.

Just play some BBall Baby. Silas is 2-0 since taking over at Charlotte.

I am rootin for him. UpTemPo taking it to the Hoop is what he is teaching down in Charlotte. Swoop to the Hoop Babee.

Excited about that. Folks up here want to see AB back the ball up in the lane and traditional low post plodding that never won anything. Yikes.

I was excited by Randy Wittman's comments as well and he mentioned that he played the game. Opps, I wonder if Flip Saunders took offense.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who want a positive chaser to tonight's game results, note that January's schedule is full of win-able games. We almost beat the Heat this month, played the Bulls and Spurs ok considering how good they are, and almost beat a hot Houston team. No time to get down, January has plenty of games to build our win total, and by Feb 1, we'll see if we are in the race for the 8th seed.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse


Ive said it a million times. I dont ever ever ever wish injury on anyone but Flip was seemingly never ever going to bench Kirk. Wall would probably be on the bench for 5 more games atleast and when he finally started then NY wouldve went to the bench.

This injury saves us and now we finally get to see what our real starting lineup can do. Now we can see how good we are and if we are capable of making the playoffs

Posted by: dlts2041

You're insane. If Kirk is even capable of lacing up his shoes this Friday, Flip is going to start him over Wall, all in the interest of "setting the tone". He is the Golden Boy.

Posted by: and_1 | December 29, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewManagement | December 29, 2010 10:18 PM

NewManagement, I am LOL at those comments. Reading through, I immediately wondered how you was portraying those players I mentioned as not having any character flaws or even had even a greater work ethic than one Andre Blatche. You mentioned the Ice Man's character flaw, but you must know that one of them other guys was a skirt chaser as well. Ha!Ha!

Frame your comments NewManagement, for I am telling you unequivocably that Andre Blatche is the REAL DEAL.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewManagement | December 29, 2010 10:18 PM

NewManagement, I am LOL at those comments. Reading through, I immediately wondered how you was portraying those players I mentioned as not having any character flaws or even had even a greater work ethic than one Andre Blatche. You mentioned the Ice Man's character flaw, but you must know that one of them other guys was a skirt chaser as well. Ha!Ha!

Frame your comments NewManagement, for I am telling you unequivocably that Andre Blatche is the REAL DEAL.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewManagement | December 29, 2010 10:18 PM

NewManagement, I am LOL at those comments. Reading through, I immediately wondered how you was portraying those players I mentioned as not having any character flaws or even had even a greater work ethic than one Andre Blatche. You mentioned the Ice Man's character flaw, but you must know that one of them other guys was a skirt chaser as well. Ha!Ha!

Frame your comments NewManagement, for I am telling you unequivocably that Andre Blatche is the REAL DEAL.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I guess Lester Hudson wasn't activated for tonight's game.

Another ugly home win. Nobody shot the ball well, and for a while it looked like the Pacers might out-tough them, but the Wizards played with a lot of heart. Next Friday in Indiana should be considered a must-win game.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 29, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"I am so disappointed with the Wizards. However my feeling is that the problem is not with the players but with the coach...
Posted by: B2CC | December 29, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse "

What do you expect from a GM/franchise that's unwilling to pay top dollar for a proven coach with a track record of success? You get middlin' coaches who can't get the respect of the players. Keep in mind this is same sorry franchise that got rid of Dave Hopla who was doing great getting the players to improve on their FT shooting. Franchises like Dallas and Miami have every sort of coach or amenity to ensure their players only need to focus on the game.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 29, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the points on not making a player something he is not...thank God someone had the insight to say that. Why is Howard called Superman? Because he is one of those rare players who are. I suppose a lot of the folks on here (if they were old enough) would have ragged on Unseld because he was too short, or Kilmer because he couldn't throw a spiral, or Jurgenson because he liked his alcohol, and could only hobble. Joe Washington - too light weight. Riggins, too slow. Lowenstein and Dempsey, poor statistic role players.

Bottom line, you can't make every player superman. Even great players can have some quirks or flaws, and great teams can have unorthodox role players, although with only 5 guys on the court, basketball is less forgiving of quirks than many other sports. Anyway, instead of unrealistic searches for a team of supermen, it is a lot less stressful being a fan once you realize sometimes you root for a team made up of characters who each are less than perfect. Get some, Andray!

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Excited about that. Folks up here want to see AB back the ball up in the lane and traditional low post plodding that never won anything. Yikes.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Traditional low post guys never won anything?

I think it's actually the opposite.

Besides Jordan and the Pistons squad...I can't think of many teams that won WITHOUT it.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 29, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, you can't make every player superman. Even great players can have some quirks or flaws, and great teams can have unorthodox role players, although with only 5 guys on the court, basketball is less forgiving of quirks than many other sports.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

ragtop4spd

That's very true the only problem is the coach needs to understand his players strengths and weaknesses and put in the best system that works for the squad.

Look at Pops in San Antonio he understands Duncan is older and isn't the same player he was a couple of years ago so he changed his coaching philosophy to win instead of telling his GM to trade him for a guy that fits his system.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Besides Jordan and the Pistons squad...I can't think of many teams that won WITHOUT it.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 29, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Who was the Lakers traditional low post player last year?

Pau Gasol

It would be great to have a good big man since the PF plays soft and it would have been wise of the GM to figure that out instead of getting a center who plays the same style, but we all know Ernie loves combo players.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Gee Blair would have been a good guy to have play next to AB since he has a big body and can bang...but why draft him with a second round pick?

Wait isn't Ernie going to get into the Hall of Fame because he always finds great player with his 2nd round picks?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Come SDMDTSU, name a traditional low post plodding guy that won something. Bill Russel, not, Unseld not, Thurmond, not, Jabbar, not, Alajawon, not, McChale, not, Chamberlain, not, Laimbeer, not, come one SDMDTSU, fact is, if you look at the big strong low post centers that have won championship's and some of the tough forwards as well, they were not traditional players. They all excelled in their own rite.

We here want to mold players into facets of what we think a they should be instead of developing them into being the best they can be in their own rite. That is what a great player is. It is why he is great. The wisdom of what I am saying to you may be lost on you, especially when you say a traditional plodding player has won anything.

Try again.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, you can't make every player superman. Even great players can have some quirks or flaws, and great teams can have unorthodox role players, although with only 5 guys on the court, basketball is less forgiving of quirks than many other sports.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

ragtop4spd

That's very true the only problem is the coach needs to understand his players strengths and weaknesses and put in the best system that works for the squad.

Look at Pops in San Antonio he understands Duncan is older and isn't the same player he was a couple of years ago so he changed his coaching philosophy to win instead of telling his GM to trade him for a guy that fits his system.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 11:12 PM

I remember way back when you used to flood this site with your cheap Abe comments. It incensed most bloggers to no end. But, as you remember, I was one to to agree and understood exactly what you really was saying. You really wasn't making personal attacks on Mr. Pollin as most thought, but you were really assessing how the team was run.

Your point about Pop and Timme' is spot on. You know BF78, I think you and I could make winners out this Bullets franchise. I'd bet good money that we could do a better job than 151 and Kalo.

What do you say? Game on?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

And another thing BF78, something that speaks well for your posts is that you post continuously your views without resorting to name calling and character deginerations as if that has some way of bostering ones pov. I too like to posts my views likewise.

There are many other posters as well that don't consort to meaningless distractions. You and all of them understand what the art of conversation is really all about. Even DCMan_88 has come strong to the page with his pov without the personal attacks that buried and trumpeted many of his good points.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Your point about Pop and Timme' is spot on. You know BF78, I think you and I could make winners out this Bullets franchise. I'd bet good money that we could do a better job than 151 and Kalo.

What do you say? Game on?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I would be like MJ since I'm not interested in moving back to the DC area anytime soon so I would an absentee partner.

We've seen the way 151 (Ernie)and kalo(Flip)have run the organization (7 wins?).

I think Mr. Wittman would do for the Wizards what Jason Garrett has done for the Cowboys.

Some times players just get tired of a coach who throws them under the bus.

I believe most of the players quit playing for him and it's clearly time for a change.

Larry I know you got my back, but I have to ask you one question...Whats up with your Heels?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

you post continuously your views without resorting to name calling and character deginerations as if that has some way of bostering ones pov.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

resorting to name calling and character deginerations sounds like something Flip would do...funny how I haven't seen a single post from kal?

kal,

I'm sorry I mean Flip

Our prayers are with you and your family.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: NewManagement | December 29, 2010 10:18 PM

NewManagement, I am LOL at those comments. Reading through, I immediately wondered how you was portraying those players I mentioned as not having any character flaws or even had even a greater work ethic than one Andre Blatche. You mentioned the Ice Man's character flaw, but you must know that one of them other guys was a skirt chaser as well. Ha!Ha!

Frame your comments NewManagement, for I am telling you unequivocably that Andre Blatche is the REAL DEAL.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 10:44 PM

My apologies NewManagement, I copied the wrong handle.

The comments above are for Dargregmag(Posted by: dargregmag | December 29, 2010 10:23 PM.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Come SDMDTSU, name a traditional low post plodding guy that won something. Bill Russel, not, Unseld not, Thurmond, not, Jabbar, not, Alajawon, not, McChale, not, Chamberlain, not, Laimbeer, not, come one SDMDTSU, fact is, if you look at the big strong low post centers that have won championship's and some of the tough forwards as well, they were not traditional players. They all excelled in their own rite.

We here want to mold players into facets of what we think a they should be instead of developing them into being the best they can be in their own rite. That is what a great player is. It is why he is great. The wisdom of what I am saying to you may be lost on you, especially when you say a traditional plodding player has won anything.

Try again.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 29, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I guess Shaq and Tim Duncan haven't done anything.

I don't know how McHale and Kareem got off the list...or half the people on your list...but it's you...so absence of anything logical is expected.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 30, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who want a positive chaser to tonight's game results, note that January's schedule is full of win-able games. We almost beat the Heat this month, played the Bulls and Spurs ok considering how good they are, and almost beat a hot Houston team. No time to get down, January has plenty of games to build our win total, and by Feb 1, we'll see if we are in the race for the 8th seed.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I found this post legitimately depressing. We might almost win the NBA championship this year I guess. This team is horrible and I hope they (and the Skins) lose all of their games for the rest of the year. I am actively hoping they lose as I am really tired of this "almost" just below average middle of the road mediocrity. We need to just get the number one pick for a couple years in a row so we have no chance of screwing things up. I have confidence in Ted once we get a new coach and GM this summer though, so just tank this one last year Wiz, put Wall on IR and save him for when we don't look like a D league team.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 30, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who want a positive chaser to tonight's game results, note that January's schedule is full of win-able games. We almost beat the Heat this month, played the Bulls and Spurs ok considering how good they are, and almost beat a hot Houston team. No time to get down, January has plenty of games to build our win total, and by Feb 1, we'll see if we are in the race for the 8th seed.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I found this post legitimately depressing. We might almost win the NBA championship this year I guess. This team is horrible and I hope they (and the Skins) lose all of their games for the rest of the year. I am actively hoping they lose as I am really tired of this "almost" just below average middle of the road mediocrity. We need to just get the number one pick for a couple years in a row so we have no chance of screwing things up. I have confidence in Ted once we get a new coach and GM this summer though, so just tank this one last year Wiz, put Wall on IR and save him for when we don't look like a D league team.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 30, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

I can hear Ted's phone conversation with Flip already when Ted calls him tomorrow

Flip answers...Hello Sir, I am sorry I missed the game last night, Ernie told me you understood it was a family emergency

Ted...Flip no problem, I hope your mother is feeling better

Flip...Thank you I think I could make it to Indiana for the game Friday

Ted...Don't be silly, take all the time you need

Flip...are you sure

Ted...we got to stop this losing road trip somehow and I need to know if letting Ernie trade AB is the right decision...so, since I liked the way Randy handled the time last night I think it would be best for you to take care of things there we'll be just fine...by the way I'm sending Ernie to check on you too.

Flip...but sir

Ted...hangs up

Flip...?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

"Come SDMDTSU, name a traditional low post plodding guy that won something. Bill Russel, not, Unseld not, Thurmond, not, Jabbar, not, Alajawon, not, McChale, not, Chamberlain, not, Laimbeer, not, come one SDMDTSU, fact is, if you look at the big strong low post centers that have won championship's and some of the tough forwards as well, they were not traditional players. They all excelled in their own rite."

OK, this one confused me, and not just all the misspelling. Seems to me that some of the big men cited -- and Willis Reed, Bob Lanier, Artis Gilmore, and more recently, Yao, who weren't mentioned -- spent most of their time camped in the low post, using strength as well as height to control the inside. It's still an advantage. Jabbar compensated early in his career for a lack of bulk with the sky hook, and Pau Gasol with a bewildering moves, but both really blossomed as they developed strength in maturity.

We've already established that given the tendency of one or two teams to dominate the NBA title in an era, rings can't be the only standard of excellence. Rules changes that opened up the game, such as the quicker shot clock, the 3 pointer, closer foul calls, etc., contributed to a more open style of play, but the real problem is that there's always been a shortage of strongly built seven footers. Still is. That's probably due to simple math: a tiny percentage of the populace occupies the far end of the height scale. Which means far fewer athletes to draw from.

But when GMs have a chance to grab one, they usually take it. They know what the upside can be. And when Kobe urges the Lakers to trade the young Andrew Bynum, the team graciously declines.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 30, 2010 5:51 AM | Report abuse

Wow... reading back over this thread, looks like it just got wilder, more divorced from reality. Like back during the campaign at a Tea Party rally.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 30, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

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