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Posted at 9:46 PM ET, 12/17/2010

Report: Wizards in serious discussions to trade Gilbert Arenas to Orlando

By Michael Lee

The rumor that will never die has regained new life, as Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports is reporting that the Wizards are engaged in serious discussions with the Orlando Magic to acquire Gilbert Arenas. According to the report, discussions have intensified in recent days, but the parameters of the deal are unclear. But a league source said late Friday night, "It's very close. A really strong possibility."


Is this it? (Photo by Toni L. Sandys/Washington Post)

Arenas has long been rumored to be headed to Orlando, where he would be reunited with friend and mentor Otis Smith. The Wizards spoke with the Magic last summer about making a deal for Vince Carter but while those conversations stalled, they never ended.

After the Wizards lost to the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday, Arenas privately told people that a deal could possibly be in the works with either Orlando or Charlotte. Word started to spread throughout Verizon Center that evening.

"The Magic realizes they have to make a move. They have to do something," the source said. "It seems like it's about the right time."

Orlando has lost five of its past six games and slipped to second in the Southeast Division behind the red-hot Miami Heat, which has won 11 in a row and will face the Wizards at Verizon Center on Saturday.

Back after serving a 50-game suspension for bringing guns in the locker room around this time last year, Arenas is averaging 17.3 points and 5.6 assists for the Wizards (6-18). He has three years and $62.4 million remaining on his contract after this season. The salaries of Arenas and Carter, who has an expiring deal worth $17.3 million, match up but the source said that the Magic would look to move one or two of their bigger contracts in a trade.

The Yahoo! report mentioned that Magic center Marcin Gortat could be involved. Rashard Lewis is the highest-paid player on Orlando and has two years and $43 million left on his deal after this season. He has also been struggling this season, but any deal for the Wizards would mostly be about parting ways with Arenas, who has been forced to adapt to a different role with the arrival of No. 1 overall pick John Wall.

Wizards owner Ted Leonsis denied an Internet report earlier this month that the team was engaged in trade talks with Orlando. Leonsis also said last month that "Gilbert is not going anywhere."

By Michael Lee  | December 17, 2010; 9:46 PM ET
 
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Comments

Like I said, I'm in favor of it. Not because Gil is playing badly -- he isn't -- but because it frees the Wiz of an albatross of a contract.

Only hope they don't have to take on too much junk in return...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 17, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the only way Gilby can be traded to Orlando is if Les BouleS accept VC. Their salaries match up perfectly. That will be a joke if we don't get a #1 pick to go with it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 17, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Gil is definitely in a win-win situation. If he gets traded to the Magic, he immediately goes to a playoff contender and plenty of national exposure. If he stays in DC, he remains the highly paid "face of the franchise" [John Wall's similar claim notwithstanding!]

Personally, I hope he stays. If he goes, Thanks for the Memories.

Posted by: musicmanjr | December 17, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Now we see why Gil has been coasting. He knew he was going to get traded. Watch he starts looking 10x better & more aggressive on Orlando.

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 17, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

DC-Man88, Im the biggest Gil fan there is and dont want him gone. If he goes to Orlando then they are my new 2nd favorite team.

With that being said, Orlando is by far the best trade for us. It seems like there will now be more to the deal then just Gil for VC. There may be some other players or picks involved.

However, if its just Gil for VC then you cant say that is a joke. What you are missing is that Gil has 4 years left of like 80mil and VC is in his final year for only like 17mil. If its a joke for anyone, most would consider it on Orlando. Gil's clearly the better player but we will dump VC either at the end of the year or buy him out this year and have a ton of free cap space.

I will be sad because Gil is my guy but Ill be happy to see him showcase his skills in Orlando, espically if they can get rid of Nelson so Gil can run the point.

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 17, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Bye!

Posted by: clwalker1906 | December 17, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD SAY HELL TO THE NO!!! No f__kin way i'd take a washed up Vince Carter for Gil you see this is what happens when you let a jacksass of a GM ruin this franchise. The DC area is becoming a hellhole for sports teams just unf__king believable.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 17, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can get Orlando to take Flip as part of the deal?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 17, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Arenas isnt nearly as bad as he looks right now. Once he heard about the trade, he started coasting. Wiz fans have been upset by how passive he is but now you see why. He knew he was going to get traded and is just coasting. He looks like VC in his final year with Toronto.

Where he did nothing but lit it up as soon as he got traded. Gil will do the same thing in Orlando, espically if they either move Nelson or bench him. Gil will be better at the point. Not only that but Gil has played nearly his whole career with Jamison who is like a Lewis clone. I bet he could get the best out of Lewis

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 17, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Hate to see him go but its the right move.

Yahoo is saying Vince, Gortat and a 1st for Gil.

We could use a gritty big like Gortat to show McGee how to play

Posted by: DMoney28 | December 17, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I just have to say that if this is true, the Wizards will have been extremely kind to their former stars. Haywood, Butler and Stevenson to Dallas; Jamison to the Cavs; now, Gil to Orlando.

As for us fans, I'm not trying to be flip about it, but I don't think that being a Wizards fan will ever be entirely without pain.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | December 17, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Yahoo is saying Vince, Gortat and a 1st for Gil.

I'd make that in a second.

Gortat can bang around and can play. He's exactly what they need.

The VC contract can be gone after a year. And a late first won't hurt.

Make the deal.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Say it aint so. Hibachiiiiiiiii

Posted by: prescrunk | December 17, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

What are the odds that Flip new that Arenas was really trade material from the get go?

What are the odds that Mr. Leonsis considered Arenas a tradeable asset from the get go?

What are the odds that Mr. Grunfield is the real catalyst behind a Arenas trade and he has been plotting for the right way to convince Ted it is best for the Team?

If Gilbert is traded, then it answers a whole slew of questions about the handling of this Team by Flip and Arenas's own play as well.

I have a bigger question though. If they are to trade Arenas to Orlando now, when do they expect to compete for a Eastern Conference Championship?

The answer would be no time soon.

If they get VC he is outahere at seasons end and the way Flip is handling McGee he is outahere too.

Good luck with Booker, Seraphin, Armstrong, etc. tough energy guys that still can't outplay McGee. Still looking at green grass instead of what you got.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 17, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

So maybe John Wall's injury isnt as bad as it sound. Probably kept him out so Gil can showcase his skills.

Posted by: demonj21 | December 17, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Gilbert will miss throwing passes to rookies only to see the ball bounce off their heads beause they weren't looking:(

Posted by: shovetheplanet | December 17, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

BQRMagic

"Heard through 'back-channels' the Gil trade is done." - @SBNation colleague @AndrewSharp

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 17, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Two words: DO IT! As much as I love Arenas and what he's done for us (while he was healthy and not in jail), he's not worth 20 mil. Dumping him and his 20 mil contract, which is essentially what we are doing in trading for vince carter for a year, is good enough. Throw in a much needed banger in Gortat and a 1st rounder! No brainer. We aren't gonna be going deep in the playoffs for a long while anyway why not dump our salary and get younger, potentially really good talent in draft...now if we can just get a motivator to coach our team.

Posted by: bbachrac | December 17, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

That will be a joke if we don't get a #1 pick to go with it.
Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 17, 2010 10:10 PM

The joke is dc_chump_88 still not getting hit by an IED yet. So wrong in many ways that he is not d3ad & Allah should have stricken him down by now just to put that foo out of his misery - what a waste of flesh = dc_chump_88

Posted by: Rocc00 | December 17, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I love Gil.hate to see him go..but what the hell is taking so long..pull the damn trigger before Orlando goes in a different direction. Because Otis Smith will be fired after this season either way...

So dump the contract and let's finally start the rebuild. Either way this team ain't goin nowhere anytime soon, with or without Gil...

None of this surprises me..I firmly believe Gil will be gone by the trade deadline IF he can remain healthy...

Posted by: kevenjones | December 17, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse


Leonsis is a smart businessman who knows that it's not wise to diminish a player's value by announcing that he's on the trading block. Therefore, it was absolutely the right move for him to insist since taking over the team that Arenas was going nowhere. It should be clear to all that Arenas will have a change of address sooner rather than later.

As he is wont to do, Ernest Grunfeld will pull off yet another stunning trade at a time and place of his choosing (and not a minute before). Stand back and let the man do his work.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 17, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Gil needs to be put out of his misery. He needs to be in a place where he has talent around him. it will be sad to see him go but if Gortat and pick is involved we should do it. Good luck to Gil. Will be great seeing him on Magic with Superman and Nelson. Hope they face Heat in playoffs and are the ones to take the out.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | December 18, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Any deal that doesn't include a #1 pick isn't worth doing. Doesn't make much sense to take on another lousy contract from Orlando. At all.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 18, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

This would be a dream come true to dump this guy on another franchise. Please, please, Leonsis/Ernie pull the trigger. Especially for a solid inside presence like Gortat, which this team sorely misses.

Posted by: avbanig | December 18, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I may be nostalgic but im still pulling for Gil to do well here.

Why would Orlando give up gortat?

Posted by: crs-one | December 18, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

This is getting weird. The new article says it could be Shard or both VC & Shard but it also says that a trade does not look imminent

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2010/12/18/1883348/source-rashard-lewis-possibly-included-in-orlando-magic-trade-for

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 18, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

As he is wont to do, Ernest Grunfeld will pull off yet another stunning trade at a time and place of his choosing (and not a minute before). Stand back and let the man do his work.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 17, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

another stunning trade?

what was any of the others?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 18, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

As he is wont to do, Ernest Grunfeld will pull off yet another stunning trade at a time and place of his choosing (and not a minute before). Stand back and let the man do his work.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 17, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

another stunning trade?

what were the others?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 18, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Can't happen too soon for me.

Once he's gone and all the bad karma is exorcised from the Telephone Booth, I can resume taking my kids to Georgetown games and the horse and dog shows, etc.

Posted by: BlanketyBlank | December 18, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Can't happen too soon for me.

Once he's gone and all the bad karma is exorcised from the Telephone Booth, I can resume taking my kids to Georgetown games and the horse and dog shows, etc.

Posted by: BlanketyBlank | December 18, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

This would be a good trade if Lebron and Wade were going to be free agents NEXT year, but who are we clearing cap space for out of next year's free agents, what Caron Butler?

I get that Arenas has more money on his contract, but unless this is a three team trade involving some as yet unnamed player-I don't want Vince Carter on this team,expiring contract or no expiring contract.

He's going to pout about being on a losing team and if Wizards think the they had to worry about Arenas being a bad influence, they haven't seen nothing-wait until a 12 year vet like Carter shows up, sour about being on a cellar dweller.

This trade sounds like the Wizards are about to get fleeced for Arenas.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 18, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

@avbanig, stanlong23

Gortat for Arenas is a win for Orlando
~~~
@nyskinsdiehard

Agreed. Orlando needs Arenas more than we need any of their players, so this trade must involve some draft picks or a third team.

Leonsis may want to unload that big contract, but I hope he's not willing to get fleeced to do it.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 18, 2010 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Besides his shooting, I have noticed some real strengths and weaknesses this year with Gil. His defense has been a much bigger problem than in years past because he is not outscoring the opponents as much. At the same time his technique and court savvy has been great. Gortat, a number one, and an expiring contract gives a lot of offense, defense and salary space. The number one helps us build with better pieces for the future. I hate to see Gil go, I think he has proven himself this year to be a good teammate, player, and a comeback example. I like Gortat, he can score and he's physical. Gortat and McGee side by side could be interesting, for I would love to see the lazy but skillful Blatche ride the pine.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 18, 2010 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Dlts,

Did you notice in the link, the writer said his source said "last week". Maybe that's why that guys article is looking off

Posted by: DMoney28 | December 18, 2010 2:09 AM | Report abuse

I remember the best of Hibachi, but that was 4 or 5 years ago. In the meantime, Gil has gotten injured then blamed the injury on EJ, rehabbed irresponsibly (6 hour bike rides sound familiar?) then blamed his botched comeback on the team, and brought guns in the locker room then blamed the media and the Pollins for his problems.

I'm glad that Ted's public quotes about trading Arenas have been cagey. Being able to trade Gilbert for an expiring contract is like getting market value for a meth house.

If Gil wins a ring with Orlando or some other team, I will watch from afar and I will be happy for him. It would be appropriate were he to do so as an overpaid gunner, b/c he never showed the kind of character of person that would be deserving of being a key contributer to greatness. Gilbert was always to much of a clown to be that good at basketball.

Posted by: LouisTheRogue | December 18, 2010 2:16 AM | Report abuse

I remember the best of Hibachi, but that was 4 or 5 years ago. In the meantime, Gil has gotten injured then blamed the injury on EJ, rehabbed irresponsibly (6 hour bike rides sound familiar?) then blamed his botched comeback on the team, and brought guns in the locker room then blamed the media and the Pollins for his problems.

by LouisTheRogue-
~~
1st of all-cool handle
Secondly, couldn't agree more. Arenas irritated me to no end with the injury shenanigans..."the team should have kept me out...they should have protected me from myself....I'm ready to play...no I'm not....yes I am....sigh

I want Arenas to go but not in a bad deal for the Wizards. For all the aggravation of Arenas-we have to get the best deal for the franchise.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 18, 2010 2:25 AM | Report abuse

If Gortat is coming with Carter then someone else is going to Orlando besides Arenas. That would have to be Blatche, Yi, Thornton, or Young based on salary. I may be mistaken, but Gortat makes the trade more than an equitable trade salary wise. Howard is another salary possibility

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 18, 2010 2:26 AM | Report abuse

AlexKennedyNBA One source says Gilbert Arenas to Orlando is done with an announcement expected tomorrow and debut on Monday. Still no word who Wizards get.

AlexKennedyNBA If Wizards get Rashard Lewis as @BQRMagic believes, it sounds like the Magic will continue to shop Vince Carter and Marcin Gortat package.

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 18, 2010 2:39 AM | Report abuse

The only solid thing about us "if" we get Shard is that he has 1 year less then Gil and in his final year, only 10mil is guaranteed. I still dont think its a good deal though because overall Gil only makes 5mil more in those 3 years even with only the 10mil guaranteed. He makes 5mil less without it. Gil has an extra year but by that time it will be an asset

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 18, 2010 2:42 AM | Report abuse

I'd take an Arenas for Carter straight-up deal in a heartbeat, but I doubt it'll be that simple. No matter how desperate they are, I can't see the Magic taking on Arenas' contract without shedding some dead cap weight of their own. It would be way too big a gamble, esp. with the new CBA brewing. The Wiz will most likely have to take on some other contracts. Which begs the question of what they'll have to take and what they'll have to give up. (And since both teams are over the cap, the salaries will have to match up.) My guess would be that some combo of Yi, Thornton, Howard, Martin, and Gee gets thrown in and the Wiz have to take back another contract w/ 2 or more years.

I really have no interest in Gortat as a player. He's a perfectly serviceable backup, but thanks to that offer sheet Dallas signed him to and Orlando matched, he's overpaid. And I really don't think he's a quality starting C. He's basically the Polish Brendan Haywood. And the last thing the Wiz need to replace Arenas is another chuck happy gunner like Quentin Richardson. But I think they may be the two most likely candidates. Trading for Lewis makes no sense. They'd just be trading one disgruntled, overpaid malcontent for another, and adding another soft, jumpshooting faux "big" man to their already extensive collection. The one extra year of cap space isn't nearly enough compensation. I'd love to get Bass, but that seems unlikely, now that SVG has pulled his head out of his ass and started playing him. Still, it might be worth it for Grunfeld to try and draw a line in the sand and see if he can get Otis Smith the cave. Should be interesting.

What was really interesting about that Yahoo article though, is that the Suns are already shopping Hedo. Can' say I'm surprised, but has any good player with his level of status ever worn out his welcome on so many teams?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 18, 2010 3:10 AM | Report abuse

First, this is great news! If we could get a bag of peanuts in return for GA, I would do it. GA is finished as an elite player. Done. Toast. And this franchise and Gilbert himself, needs to move on. The possibility of getting Gortag or a pick is just icing on the cake.

EG has done a nice job of cleaning house since the debacle of last season along with adding some nice young potential future cornerstones. Now we just got to draft SMART basketball players. We got athletes, we got a PG, we got some toughness on the roster, we need the remaining roster filled with smart players.


By the way, this may explain GA's coasting during this losing streak. I wondered why he didn't gun more bc that is who he is. It wasn't being the good teammate crap he peddled. He had one foot out the door after catching wind of this. Goodbye!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 18, 2010 3:17 AM | Report abuse

OMG do this trade YESTERDAY.. VC's expiring contract a decent center, who just needs playing time, to add to this lineup, and a first. Yes get it done already.. Hibachi I loved you in your prime but DC will always remember you at the free throw line and Lebron telling you "If you miss this free throw, we win this game" back in '06" cant take away the fact that he helped make bullets basketball somewhat relevant in DC again.

Posted by: armst012 | December 18, 2010 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Not a fan of this trade but at this point, I just want to see them win a game! I don't care if EG or Flip trade themselves. Gil probably a better fit Orlando. Really playing like he saving his game for the next team. Very bad time to be a Washington sports fan.

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 4:29 AM | Report abuse

Gil is not done as an elite player. Im telling you that he's just upset with the Managment, Coaches, and is coasting. Its just like VC his last year in Toronto. As soon as he is traded, he will look nothing like the Gil weve seen as of late

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 18, 2010 4:45 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we can get Orlando to take Flip as part of the deal?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 |

I AGREE!!!!

Posted by: washdc11 | December 18, 2010 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we can get Orlando to take Flip as part of the deal?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 |

I AGREE!!!!

Posted by: washdc11 | December 18, 2010 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Future draft picks. #1 in 2012 and #2 in 2013. Gortat would be nice but not required.

Posted by: NewThoughts | December 18, 2010 6:32 AM | Report abuse

...dont think Orldando is dumb enough to do a GA for VC deal straight up. And Ernie is not dumb enough to do a Lewis for GA deal, unless Orlando throughs in a draft pick or two.

Posted by: oddjob1 | December 18, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Good riddance! Let him go be someone else's problem.

Posted by: overhereontheleft | December 18, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

In Grunfeld We Trust... to Create a Culture of Losing...
TLG=Ted Lose Grunfeld!!!

Posted by: fakedude2 | December 18, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Gil has not been a problem this year at all!
If ORLANDO THROWS IN A NO. 1 PICK...IT WILL BE AT THE END OF THE FIRST ROUND.

The problem is that without some older experienced players to offset the young kids...it will be a mess for a long time. Also, if Wall continues to have issues...who do they have besides Kirk at guard?

R. Lewis is paid more than Superman?

Posted by: blazerguy234 | December 18, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

How about Marcin Gortat and Stan Van Gundy for Gilbert and Flipper? A unique player/coach deal that would improve the Wizards. The Magic, not so much.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 18, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Since Gil is so tight w/ Otis Smith, how about Gil straight up for Dwight Howard? Yep, that sounds like a good deal.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 18, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

How many of these strong trade rumors actually happen? Sources are NEVER right on these things. The source is usually some flunky responsible for keeping the coffee fresh. Remember the rumor that had Amare coming to Washington? How'd that turn out? The San Diego Padres were supposed to be moving to Washington about 35 years ago.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 18, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Has Been! Years Ago! Cut him!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | December 18, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I just can't see this deal going through with just GA. Orlando need more firepower. I can see GA/Josh Howard for Gortat/JV and number 1 pick.

Posted by: demonj21 | December 18, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Gordat is the big story--exactly what Wizards need.

Gil looks soooo slow on defense-he can't move quickly or elevate to the rim so he's a jumpshooting 2 who can't stop anyone.

Wall looks lost after fast start--Gil is not intentionally impeding his progress but you don't need Gil showing Wall how its done the wiz way (lame 30 footers, no pick and roll,no defense or boxing out)

Forget about this season, build hardnose team and get rid of the softies and keep Wall healthy for next year with real supporting cast (tell me again why Heinrich and Yi are here?....)


Last chance for wizards GM to show there is a plan and some progress.

Posted by: katomato | December 18, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

One cancer (Arenas) for another (Carter) makes little sense. Better the devil you know....

Posted by: KDSmallJr | December 18, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Is this the worst sports city in America, or what?

Ernie, Flip, Disco Danny, Big Shanny, Little Shanny, you gotta be kidding me. An NBA team that gets rid of its best players for....nothing. An NFL team that watches its place-kicker totally f--- up a game then fires the ... punter (yeah, I know he was the holder too). And gives its star quarterback a contract extension but then says he probably won't be back next year.

As has been said before, must be something in the water.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | December 18, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Pray that we don't end-up with Lewis, adding another soft big man would be wet dream for Ernie. Added bonus of an Arenas trade? 40+ minutes nightly for Kirk, a wet dream for Flip.

Posted by: FireGrunfeld | December 18, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

This team needs big men who are large, ugly, physical and mean. They have the softest big men in professional basketball, including the WNBA.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 18, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Look at the difference between the Wizards and the Redskins. Gilbert has been the worst decision in the history of Washington Sports. But the owner, coach and general manager have acted with respect toward Gil. It does not help the situations to act like Mike Shanahan and humiliate people. Dan Snyder needs to learn something from the Wizards. Bruce Makaka Allen wake up. Drama does not help. Thank you Wizards it does not have to be ugly.

Posted by: HelloNewman53 | December 18, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Other media has reported it will be Lewis for Gil. If it is, it will be the stupidest deal I've ever seen.

The most over-paid player is not Gil, it is Lewis. At 20.5 millions, Lewis is the 2nd highest paid player in the league, behind only Kobe, and is 3 millions more than Gilbert. Most importantly, his contract still has 3 years to go (only 1 year less than Gil)! So he does not free up the salary space either.

And talking about a soft PF, Lewis only stays outside shooting jump shots. This trade would not make any sense for the Wizards from any angle whatsoever!

Posted by: sagaliba | December 18, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe we can get Orlando to take Flip as part of the deal?"

I like this move.

Everybody: Carter wil be cut immeditately after the trade. He won't be here but a day. Lewis makes no sense for anybody.

This is all about getting rid of Gil. They can take Orlando's #1 pick but since EG can't draft to save his life it will be a waste of a pick anyway.

Hope it happens.

"Stand back and let the man do his work."

Dude...only if he can trade himself in the process.

Ernie Grunfeld's a BUST!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 18, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Make the trade. I'd have made it in October. Arenas has lost a step AND the spring in his legs to make the long 3. This has not improved his defense.
This team will not be playoff-bound for several years, and the number of losses matters little, except for placement in the draft.

Posted by: lrmc623 | December 18, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The Orlando Magic's trade discussions with the Washington Wizards regarding point guard Gilbert Arenas may involve the Magic sending more back to Washington than first thought. A source advised Orlando Pinstriped Post that combo forward Rashard Lewis, who owns the league's second-largest salary, is "being discussed" in this potential trade, with shooting guard Vince Carter also headed to the nation's capital.

Lewis' potential inclusion in the trade changes its dynamics entirely, as it'd signal a clear signal that Orlando intends to trim salary. Such a development corroborates an earlier report by CBSSports' Ken Berger. He quotes "a source familiar with the Magic's plans as saying, "they're not in the same class as Boston or Miami. With a $94 million payroll, they didn’t do that to get out of the first round. The window has closed up a bit."

Lewis and Carter combine to earn over $37 million this season, according to ShamSports, so if the Magic were to send them both to Washington, the Wizards would have to include more than Arenas' $17.7 million salary to make the trade work under the NBA's Collective Bargaining Agreement. My source did not know which players Orlando would receive in this scenario, but did say it's "unlikely" that veteran combo guard Kirk Hinrich would be in their number.

It's important to note that trade discussions often include mentions of players who do not ultimately change sides when a deal is finished. As such, it's possible that either Lewis or Carter could stay with the Magic even if Orlando acquires Arenas.

Posted by: suliman215 | December 18, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

If the Wiz can trade Gil for VC, they should do it. No #1 pick is needed.

It doesn't matter if VC is washed up or not nearly as good as Gil. His contract is expiring while Gil's is for 3 1/2 more years! If the deal is made, the Wiz are free to build their future. Orlando sees an opportunity to win now, so it is good for them too. A good trade!

If the Wiz could trade Gil for a year of Papa John's free toppings, it would be fine. It does not matter what they get back, as long as the long-term obligation is moved. They need to move on, as does Gil. It would be great to see Gil thrive in Orlando.

Posted by: EdDC | December 18, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Where there's smoke, there's fire. I will be sad to see Gil go...

Posted by: MEssex | December 18, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we don't need any retread old players in here. We are gonna be horrible no matter what. This whole car needs to be stripped. Let Gil go for nothing. Just get out from under his contract.

Personally, I can't believe anyone would want a one legged man making 20 million a year. If we can dump him, do it as fast as possible!

Posted by: Fx10 | December 18, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

One source says Gilbert Arenas to Orlando is done with an announcement expected tomorrow and debut on Monday. Still no word who Wizards get.

Posted by: suliman215 | December 18, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

What's hanging the trade up is Orlando's refusal to take Saunders and Grunfeld along with Arenas.

Posted by: KTV1 | December 18, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

If its Orlando, then I don't really see the point of holding out for a #1. Orlando's pick would most likely be in the 25-30 range. You can find value there, but its not a guarantee. I'd rather get Brandon Bass over a draft pick. Send Gil and Blatche for Bass and Carter. That works.

Posted by: Tempy_McJobhunt | December 18, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

If the Magic take Arenas' contract, all that is needed back is 4 passes to one of the Disney theme parks.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 18, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

You could trade for Jesus but if you still have Grunfeld and Saunders running this thing you got nothing. I've seen enough of these clowns and Hinrich.

Posted by: NewManagement | December 18, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

It's done. Announcement soon to follow.

Julian Tepper
Placitas, Nm

Posted by: jutepper1 | December 18, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

You could trade for Jesus but if you still have Grunfeld and Saunders running this thing you got nothing. I've seen enough of these clowns and Hinrich.

Posted by: NewManagement | December 18, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I believe that Jesus has a no-trade clause in his contract w/ the Bethlehem Bears. His services running the point are invaluable to that franchise.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 18, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Good riddance! Let him go be someone else's problem.

Posted by: overhereontheleft | December 18, 2010 6:55 AM

Tired of hearing the "bonehead" comments like this. The thought of just giving Gil away because you wouldn't want him to date your daughter is beyond me. He's a freak'n basketball player! Not only that, he's the best player on this team.

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

What's hanging the trade up is Orlando's refusal to take Saunders and Grunfeld along with Arenas.
Posted by: KTV1

As long as we don't have to take their GM in trade: highest payroll in the league, roster put together to get to the championship game this year, now the abject realization that they'll never get past Miami or Boston and the desperate attempt to dump salary . . .
Unhappy death of big dreams . . .

Posted by: nmik | December 18, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

You could trade for Jesus but if you still have Grunfeld and Saunders running this thing you got nothing. I've seen enough of these clowns and Hinrich.

Posted by: NewManagement | December 18, 2010 10:27 AM
___________________________________________

EXCELLENT comment. Standing O. Could not agree more.

Posted by: gbooksdc | December 18, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Well there goes Lionsis credibility. Huge mistake. After this deal is made the next guys on the block are Saunders and Grunfeld for ruining this team.

Posted by: bobilly1 | December 18, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Don't the W'zards already have multiple 1st round picks in the upcoming draft? Wondering why we need another 1st rounder fro Orlando! I look for Ernie to give at least 1 of them away in this trade or selling the rights to them for cash!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 18, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, I'd rather have than Brandon Bass than Gortat -- less of a financial issue.

That's the NBA -- it's all about the money.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 18, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse


As long as we don't have to take their GM in trade: highest payroll in the league, roster put together to get to the championship game this year, now the abject realization that they'll never get past Miami or Boston and the desperate attempt to dump salary . . .
Unhappy death of big dreams . . .

Posted by: nmik | December 18, 2010 11:02 AM |

I wouldn't call picking up a gargantuan contact a "desperate attempt to dump salary" on their part.

Posted by: NWDC3 | December 18, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't call picking up a gargantuan contact a "desperate attempt to dump salary" on their part.
Posted by: NWDC3

Well, that was my projection of the total of all contracts they would unload versus those they'd take on. We'll see when the smoke has cleared.

Posted by: nmik | December 18, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

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