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Posted at 8:03 AM ET, 12/23/2010

New player, same old result

By Michael Lee
Morning brew

The Wizards are not only the only team in the NBA without a road win, they are also the league's lone team without consecutive wins. They played well enough defensively to possibly win on Wednesday, but they were too dreadful on the offensive end -- especially in the second half -- and wound up losing, 87-80, the Chicago Bulls.

"I thought defensively we did some things, pretty positive at times. When you hold a team to 87 points at home, you should have an opportunity to win," Coach Flip Saunders said.

The Wizards have held only four teams below 90 points this season -- all at home -- and had been unbeaten the three previous times. But on Wednesday night, the Wizards faced an opponent that thrives on its defense, even with the energetic center Joakim Noah sidelined with an injured right hand. Noah's fill-in, Kurt Thomas, whom Saunders joked was 50 years old, remains effective as he blocked two shots before fouling out. The Bulls held the Wizards to 38 percent shooting, their worst performance since Orlando in the season opener.

"They were playing really physical and picked it up on defense, especially in the second half," Nick Young said of the Bulls. "Shots weren't really falling for us, but we were playing hard. Both teams started to get tired, but we missed some shots that really could have helped us win the game."

After scoring a season-high 33 points in the first quarter, the Wizards were limited to a season-low 30 points in the second half. But the Wizards had other problems: newcomer Rashard Lewis's obvious lack of rhythm after not playing a game since Friday, and Andray Blatche's struggles with his shot and dealing with boos from the crowd.

The Bulls certainly deserve some credit, with Tom Thibodeau -- a Wizards assistant for about two days in the summer of 2007 -- devising a plan to shut down Kirk Hinrich in pick-and-roll situations and force Young to take more difficult shots than usual. "He was off-balanced, even for Nick," Saunders said, while acknowledging that his team seemed to settle for the first available jump shot. "We started playing a lot of one-on-one dribbling and put ourselves in very difficult situations."

The Wizards only had six assists in the second half, after getting 11 in the first half, and players spoke after the game about a "sticking problem."

"We played together in the first half," Lewis said. "In the fourth quarter, we didn't play as well or move the ball as much."

FROM THE POST
Here is the game story from this morning's newspaper.

Nick Young has stepped up since Gilbert Arenas was traded.

AROUND THE WEB
Bullets Forever and Truth About It analyzed Blatche's difficult night.

And attention must be paid to Nick Young's hairstyle (Truth About It).

At DCist, Rashad Mobley describes his "incomplete" feelings about Gilbert Arenas's departure.

Coach Larry Brown and the Charlotte Bobcats have parted ways. Here is Adrian Wojnarowski's take (Yahoo!Sports).

Spike Lee has directed two new NBA-themed TV commercials, which will debut on Christmas Day (TrueHoop).

Denver Nuggets star Carmelo Anthony has left the team to be with his family after the death of his sister and is expected to return after Christmas. The team said Wednesday night that Anthony's sister, Michelle Anthony, died of a pre-existing medical condition Tuesday in Baltimore. She had four children.

By Michael Lee  | December 23, 2010; 8:03 AM ET
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Comments

My assesment of last night;

The difference in the Wiz not winning that close game was the awful performance of Andray Blatche. I'm not eceb an AB hater and I can say that. I've always believed that he is who he is as far as his slow non explosive game but even he should see that all that trying to crossover and behind the back dribble was getting him plucked. Big men are more diverse now and al that but he has got to force his way down low more. I'd rather see a big get 10 lay ups blocked than play that soft away from the basket.

Also, this is not an excuse because the game was still winable but the calls were sickenning. It's obvious that rather its conscious or subconscious the refs feel that the "inferior" team MUST be fouling anytime a shot is contested.

Posted by: gmac78 | December 23, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

wiz should have won. the refs ROBBED the wizards in the third quarter. i dont even want to try and point out all the occasions. NBA wants these "better" teams to win so they can keep them hot and marketable, ex the heat game...

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 23, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

wiz should have won. the refs ROBBED the wizards in the third quarter. i dont even want to try and point out all the occasions. NBA wants these "better" teams to win so they can keep them hot and marketable, example would be the nba helping the heat beat the wizards so that they have there "hot streak" continued...

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 23, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Kind of strange how the Wiz are playing better D now that Gil is gone???? :) Just need to make one more trade to really get this rebuild going on the fast track, PLEASE get rid of Blatche ASAP!!! Defensive nightmare, weak inside, and bad outside shot, hopefully some team would give us a 2nd round pick for him, at best.

Posted by: cm88 | December 23, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Blatche will eventually be replaced by Lewis as a starter, they have no choice. Blatche is a turnover machine, they should have traded him while they had the chance.

However I did like the big lineup tonight with Howard at the two and Lewis at the three. With those two guys on the floor the Wiz kept Chicago in check.

Lewis took a bad 3 in the final minute, maybe he makes the next one and the Wiz win. I was happy with the effort they gave, as noted above there were some questionable calls on NY. They are a completely different team then they were a week ago, which is saying something.

Mike Lee, stop being so negative. :P

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 23, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

You saw TOM THIBODEAU's coaching at it's finest. We tried and tried to get him as head coach before FLIP. The guy just wanted nothing to do with this org.

Much like RASHARD LEWIS. 4 days to get here? Give me a break. Trade the bum for a back-up pg, LESTER is overmatched. Big cancer out, little cancer in.

This franchise needs a break. I hope papa LEONSIS is it. It's gonna' be a tough go.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 23, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I agree with skinsfan09. As a long time NBA fan, I've seen it over and over. The team with a winning record, a superstar, an up and coming star all get the calls. I really could not blame JaVale or Dray or Flip for getting those technicals. You're fighting, working hard and you are repaid by refs making godawful calls! I have tried to accept that there are always going to be bad calls and those teams I mentioned are going to be the recipients of favorable calls, but last night was just egregious. Any time a Bull went to the basket, a Wiz got called for a foul, while on the other end, Wizards players were getting thrown and pushed to the floor without a single whistle being blown. Kurt Thomas should have fouled out within 5 minutes of the start of the 3rd quarter. There's just no excuse for officiating to be as bad as it was last night.

As for Dray, I felt bad for him but I kept wishing he would post up or do anything except try his fancy dribbling and baseline move. And, it became obvious that his head was elsewhere after losing the ball on the attempted layup. He's played long enough to know he needs to put stuff like that behind him as soon as it happens and just keep playing. Instead, he got all down and couldn't do anything else the rest of the evening. Very disappointing.

Posted by: juliagraffam | December 23, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I think somebody mentioned Rashard drawing a blank on his 5 three-point shots... on a decent night at home, he can be expected to sink two of those, possibly more. He has something of a history with making big shots late in a game. He's probably more dangerous with the 3 than closer in.

I hoped we might have an edge inside without Noah, but turned out to be the opposite. No way Carlos Boozer should have his way against a couple younger, taller players. And for 45 minutes? Somebody needed to put a body on him. And we just didn't have the right guy. I'm sure KeVEEN could have done it, but you lose so much elsewhere when he's in the game.

As a last thought: some encouraging signs from the SF position with Howard and Thornton. Al is an amazing athletes who nonetheless gets dinged a lot and benefits from reduced minutes. Howard is shooting 40% from the arc, which is where he really fell off last season. Both positive signs. Both have a big advantage over Nick Young at that position -- standing reach of 8'9.5" and 8'8" versus Nick at 8'4.5". Believe me, that makes a difference against somebody like Deng. If you recall Luol was a big difference in the last game and not much of a factor this outing.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

"Kurt Thomas should have fouled out within 5 minutes of the start of the 3rd quarter."

He is a hack artist of the first rank. Would you believe his career average is 25 minutes, 3+ fouls? Should be twice that. I think it's because he keeps his arms in and doesn't focus too much on blocks or steals. You realize the Bulls are his 8th club? Every defensive coach in the NBA wants the guy.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

The media is urging Charlotte to blow the team up... from SI.com:

"The team as currently constructed won’t have any cap room until after next season, by which time Diaw, Nazr Mohammed and Eduardo Najera will all have come off Charlotte’s books. But even then, the Bobcats still have $39.4 million in committed salary for the 2012-13 season, and that’s before you factor in rookie deal extensions and salaries for draft picks Charlotte gets between now and then. Tyrus Thomas is the only desirable young asset on this roster, and his mental breakdowns have resulted in more time on the bench... "

"Factor all of this in, and the Bobcats almost have to at least considering dealing both Jackson and Wallace, who will make nearly $21 million combined in 2012-13. That might not be easy, but there’s no valid argument against blowing up this roster and rebuilding in earnest"

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Saunders should become a TV analyst because he seems to be better at analysing the problems with individual players than he is at adjusting and coaching.

Posted by: bobilly1 | December 23, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't useally waste time complaining about the officials, about as big of a waste of time as complaining about the weather. But last night was pretty damned ugly. Thomas fouled out, but he could have done so at least 3 times.

I watch the lane play probably more then the average fan. The officals gave the Bulls a lot of leeway down low. Way more then normal. Blatche tried to do some stupid things with the ball, but he got the crap fouled out of him on a couple of times with no call.

And the 3 charges that Thomas got were plain CRAP calls. Thought I was watching a Duke game...

For a game where the Wiz were incorporating a new guy up front, they played well. Lewis was effective from inside the line, but was 0 for from beyound the arc. I also like seeing Howard and Lewis on the floor at the same time, combined with a healthy Yi they could have a unit that is effective at spreading the floor and creating driving lanes for Wall.

There are some interesting pcs. out there for Saunders to work with, ones that fit into his system better then what the Wiz had a year ago...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | December 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Larry Brown's available. Interesting. Unfortunately, he's about 100 years old now.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to know why there wasn't a mutiny from the players last night as AB sabotaged any chance they had at winning.

And you're wasting your breath if you complain about the refs. As long as we field a team of lazy and stupid players like AB and McGee, the refs are never going to give us the benefit of the doubt. You don't think the refs, who are charged with managing the game, cringe just like we do when they see AB and McGee play? Why bail out these bums with foul calls?

Posted by: bryc3 | December 23, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Didn't I just read somewhere that Ted said he was interested in rebuilding through the draft...

So, if the Wizards start Kirk, Howard and Lewis who are all 30 years old just to make the lottery again how does that help the young players get better?

It's like the Etaps season all over again?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Blame it on the coach, the rain, the Verizon Center, the curse, a full moon, old players, new players, injuries, huge contracts, small contracts, future players, fans, etc. There are so many fan excuses about why this team sucks.

It seems as if Ernie and company talk a good game, but they don't have a plan. The Wiz have a bunch of mismatched mediocre basketball players who have championship dreams.

It's nothing wrong with dreaming, but eventually you have to wake up and do the dirty work.

People blamed Eddie Jordan, he got fired. Fans blamed 'Metawn' and Caron, they were traded. Gilbert was accused of being a cancer (which is the most overused character trait description in sports), he got traded.

At some point, fans and Ernie need to look at deeper issues before they blame and toss.

All of these changes had to be made, but it doesn't seem as if Ernie had any idea of what to do after major moves.

As constructed now, this team doesn't have the right mix of pieces to contend on the road or at a playground.

It's sad that the end of each year, we end up in the same place.

Posted by: syvetteavery | December 23, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

We all have watched Blatche lose focus in the past and slump. It was pointless to leave him on the floor except to humiliate him at the expense of PT for your rookies.

Maybe its a coaching ploy..I don't know. If it is, its a ploy he doesn't use on McGee that's for sure. JaVale would have been yanked from the game had he blown that snowbird. Of course JaVale would have missed it because he was attempting a 720 dunk or some such.

It was a close game, I suppose thats why Flip stayed with a more veteran line up.

But if Lewis, Howard, Young and Hinrich are on the court I don't see why Seraphin can't get minutes.

Or if McGee, Howard, Young and Hinrich are on the court Booker can't get minutes.

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 23, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"I hoped we might have an edge inside without Noah, but turned out to be the opposite. No way Carlos Boozer should have his way against a couple younger, taller players."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 9:25 AM

It certainly helps when the the taller, younger players are significantly less skilled and savvy. Boozer's been this size his entire NBA career and has never had any problem getting his work done in the paint. In order to have an advantage inside the Wiz would actually need to have an inside game. As they've proven all year, just being young and big won't cut it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 23, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

And you have to give Kurt Thomas some credit: Few, if any, NBA players get as much out of their fouls as him. He damn near decapitated Blatche on the one that finally got him out of the game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 23, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

And you have to give Kurt Thomas some credit: Few, if any, NBA players get as much out of their fouls as him. He damn near decapitated Blatche on the one that finally got him out of the game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 23, 2010 11:00 A

Well yeah, I guess he didn't try to Perfecr Plex him ala Charlie Ward!

Posted by: gmac78 | December 23, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

An interesting tidbit on Larry Brown:

A league source said that Brown walked away with $8 million severance from Charlotte. Combined with guaranteed monies he received after leaving the Pistons, Knicks and other teams, Brown has been paid well over $25 million for not coaching NBA teams -- an extraordinary income that says as much about his value as it does about his fickleness.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/12/22/larry.brown.resigns/index.html

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 23, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"Didn't I just read somewhere that Ted said he was interested in rebuilding through the draft...So, if the Wizards start Kirk, Howard and Lewis who are all 30 years old just to make the lottery again how does that help the young players get better? It's like the Etaps season all over again?Posted by: bulletsfan78"

The young guys get better by playing with the older guys. A team that plays all young guys is just reinforcing their mistakes.

It is like the ETaps season in one respect -- that this was sort of complaint we heard then, too, and with no more justification.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

There is no need to complain about the officiating, the ref's around the league know that the Wiz are soft and that Flip ain't got a clue( see the Miami game). I don't see Rashard Lewis helping this team on the court, yeah he'll drain some 3's but overall the Wiz need an inside presence, that being said Lewis will provide some cap relief when and if we get a real GM. I've said all that can be said about The Serial Skirt Chaser,Choke Artist, and Turnover Machine better known as Andray Blatche you can put lipstick on a pig it's still a PIG. The state of pro sport's in this town is in a sad state of affairs and it hurt's even more being here in the A-T-L and having to put up with these front running bama-azz Atlanta fans.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 23, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Blatche was awful and deserved to get booed, but I think the pace hurt them more than anything else. That and playing Lewis and Blatche together at the 4 and 5. So much for toughness.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 23, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The young guys get better by playing with the older guys. A team that plays all young guys is just reinforcing their mistakes.

It is like the ETaps season in one respect -- that this was sort of complaint we heard then, too, and with no more justification.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

So OKC which plays 6 young players and Collison who is 30 just keeps reinforcing their mistakes?

But your justification to play players who won't be around in a couple of years instead of seeing which young players on the team should be, makes sense?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

We are rebuilding, we just had a game against one of the top defensive team in NBA.It is hard to evaluate this team in one game but i can say it is a better team than the one on court at the start of the season.AB is allways mistake prone, we are able to see them now since the team is playing well with little defensive mistake or minimal turn overs.Personally i do not like the spot where AB start his dribble/fancy move,it is exposing the team defense.He is also getting stone headed to continue to hold the ball.He had several opportunities to pass the ball to creat some defensive mistake, to improve the offense.I would probably put KS on boozer in the second half.I just can not see AB to be our future PF, if he is not able to put his body on boozer oviously he can not do it on duncon or KG.

Posted by: gtefferra | December 23, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"So OKC which plays 6 young players and Collison who is 30 just keeps reinforcing their mistakes?"


After Durant and Green were first drafted, they spent their first couple of years playing on teams with plenty of vets (Kurt Thomas, Earl Watson, Adrian Griffin, Wally Szczerbiak, Desmond Mason, Malik Rose, Chris Wilcox, et al). Once it became clear that they (along with Thabo sefalosha, who they traded for and Westbrook, who was drafted a year later) were starting to catch on, they started weeding the vets out and giving more time and responsibility to the young-uns because it was clear they could handle it. The Wizards don't have that luxury yet, because some of their younger players (Blatche, Young) have been around long enough to be considered vets themselves and they either are just beginning to get it (Young) or still don't (Blatche). Leaving the development of the really young players (Wall, Booker, and Seraphin) to their tender mercies would be a disaster.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 23, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Of course, if you really could read, you'd have noted that I said nothing about hiring him as a coach or having him teach them the vaunted "fundamentals." I simply want him to knock them on their asses a few times a day during practice so they can figure out how to take a hit and deliver one, something they're not likely to pick up from guys with creamy soft centers like Blatche, McGee, and Lewis. Which would, in fact, be an instance of players taking responsibility to get better.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 22, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

So Blatche and McGee who had AJ and BTH around in practice should do it on their own, BUT it would help Booker and Seraphin to practice against someone who plays a tougher style instead of doing it on thier own?

I understand since you are a Flip apologists that a coach isn't required to "teach a player the vaunted "fundamentals."

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards don't have that luxury yet, because some of their younger players (Blatche, Young) have been around long enough to be considered vets themselves and they either are just beginning to get it (Young) or still don't (Blatche). Leaving the development of the really young players (Wall, Booker, and Seraphin) to their tender mercies would be a disaster.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 23, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if the young players got some playing time during the Etap year and last year Ernie would have figured out his draft picks sucked and he wouldn't have given AB a contract extension?

Leaving the development of any player in the hands of other players is a recipe for disaster that's why I thought team hired a coach.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"So OKC which plays 6 young players and Collison who is 30 just keeps reinforcing their mistakes?"

That's the risk, exactly. Which is why OKC picked up Nenad Krstic and Mo Peterson (they actually sent 2 first rounders to NO for Morris). He's only been active for 4 games, but you can see what they thought they might need going into the season.

The Thunder have been unusually fortunate in their top draft picks. Durant (#2) turned out to be much better than expected. Westbrook (#4) the same. Jeff Green (#5) is solid. They're still bringing Harden (#3) off the bench and keeping him at around 25 minutes. Aldrich (#11) has appeared in 7 games and averaged 7 minutes. They're not exactly rushing the guy.

I don't know anyone who'll argue that Blatche (#49), McGee (#18), and Nick Young (#17) were comparable prospects coming out of college. Neither were Seraphin (#17, and from France), Booker (#23), and Ndiaye were comparable to the OKC picks.

John Wall's a different story -- if Wall were healthy, we could bet he'd be starting. But in Wall's absence, who else is there but Hinrich?

"But your justification to play players who won't be around in a couple of years instead of seeing which young players on the team should be, makes sense?"

Given the circumstances, sure. At least the young vets and Wall will get a chance to play with a few real NBA types. I think we'll see more of Trevor when Wall returns and the game speeds up. Seraphin could benefit if McGee and Blatche continue to struggle. Ndiaye should be grateful for any court time he gets.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Flip Saunders could not coach the Lakers to the playoffs anymore. All coaches feed the hot hand and take out the cold one. He leaves Blatche in to make a complete fool of himself and slop around in self pity. He criticizes Young's form on his shot, yeah lets ruin our gunners confidence. He puts Booker in for 30 seconds, when Boozer and Thomas are beating on our bigs. Didn't we want to get tougher in the post? He's our toughest player and hes sitting. There is no cohesion to what he says and what he needs to do. His attitude is not the one needed for this or probably any team. He leaves Howard and Lewis on the bench until 3 minutes are left in the game. It is time for Barney "Flip" Rubble to go.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 23, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"So Blatche and McGee who had AJ and BTH around in practice should do it on their own, BUT it would help Booker and Seraphin to practice against someone who plays a tougher style instead of doing it on thier own?"

Nonsense as usual. No one ever said anything about anyone doing anything "on their own," so you might as well stop trotting that one out.

"Maybe if the young players got some playing time during the Etap year and last year Ernie would have figured out his draft picks sucked and he wouldn't have given AB a contract extension?"

Blah, blah. Young played in 74 games last season, started 23 of them. Averaged 20 mpg. McGee played in 60, started 19, 17 mpg. Blatche played in 81, started 36, 28 mpg.


Season before that (Tapscott): Young: 82 games, 5 starts, 22 mpg. McGee: 74 games, 14 starts, 15 mpg. Blatche: 81 games, 36 starts, 24 mpg.

They were buried on the bench. Never played. Forgotten little orphans. All, all alone. So sad. Boo hoo.

Yeah, right.

What else ya got?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Blah, blah. Young played in 74 games last season, started 23 of them and averaged 20 mpg..

What else ya got?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Last year Mike Miller and Randy Foye both averaged more mpg and neither of them are here this year...

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

What else ya got?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Season before that (Tapscott): AJ 81 games 38.2 MPG and CB 67 games and 38.6 mpg and where did that get the Wizards?

The same place as this year when your man flip will play Kirk 34.5 mpg

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"But your justification to play players who won't be around in a couple of years instead of seeing which young players on the team should be, makes sense?"

My theory is that an experienced professional coach with a track record of success who suddenly finds himself in a total rebuild situation should be permitted to experiment with lineups and rotations and play the players he and his staff think are the best fit at that particular moment. After all, it's his job on the line.

Without a lot of interference from some mope with a stat sheet.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The same place as this year when your man flip will play Kirk 34.5 mpg

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Dude, I mean........what's he gonna' do, play LESTER HUDSON at pg for 34.5? Until WALL is back......sometime after the first of the year IMO.......you gotta' go with what you got.

RASHARD LEWIS doesn't want to be here, and I would accomodate him quickly if possible for a HUDSON replacement that has more NBA skills. Otherwise, you've got another cancer in the clubhouse situation, albeit not in the class of a GILBERT ARENAS.

If a LEWIS trade would bring a back-up center with some ability other than just on the defensive end that would be great too. ARMSTRONG ain't cuttin' it either.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 23, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

My theory is that an experienced professional coach with a track record of success who suddenly finds himself in a total rebuild situation should be permitted to experiment with lineups and rotations and play the players he and his staff think are the best fit at that particular moment. After all, it's his job on the line.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

and yours, kal's, Ernie's and Flip's theory will get a team into the lottery...

I know that's just a stat from some mope, but it's also a fact!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The same place as this year when your man flip will play Kirk 34.5 mpg

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Dude, I mean........what's he gonna' do, play LESTER HUDSON at pg for 34.5?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 23, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I understand Flip's hands are tied with the dumb moves Ernie has made...

my point was the year before when Flip played AJ, CB, BTH, MM, Gil and then Foye where did it get the Wizards...

if Ted really wants the team to move in the direction as OKC then go in that direction and live with the results...

Playing Lewis, Howard and Kirk to get back into the lottery makes no sense to me since it will cost Booker and other player minutes that I believe will help them get better or at least help Ernie figure out if they can play or not.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Playing Lewis, Howard and Kirk to get back into the lottery makes no sense to me since it will cost Booker and other player minutes that I believe will help them get better or at least help Ernie figure out if they can play or not.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

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as glawrence pointed out to you, flip doesn't really have a choice at pg at the moment. so hudson's younger than hinrich, therefore he should be played more?

do you think about what you post?

Posted by: MinuMang | December 23, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Playing Lewis, Howard and Kirk to get back into the lottery makes no sense to me since it will cost Booker and other player minutes that I believe will help them get better or at least help Ernie figure out if they can play or not.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

What's that saying about the blind leading the blind?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Multiple postings by: bulletsfan78

I'm asking out of curiosity.

Did you watch this game or are you just posting for the sake of posting?

Posted by: nmik | December 23, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

my point was the year before when Flip played AJ, CB, BTH, MM, Gil and then Foye where did it get the Wizards...
Abe Pollen was on an entirely different time frame than TL, closely tied to his mortality. He expected, (likely delusional expectation) that the assembled core of vets was a shortcut to a championship.

Playing Lewis, Howard and Kirk...will cost Booker and other player minutes that...will help them get better.

Rooks that can be plugged in as a starting PG like Wall are exceptions, rare exceptions. Young, Blatche and McGee have developed to the point where they have worked into the rotation.
It's clear that Booker and more so Seraphin and Ndiaye need a lot of seasoning. Practicing with vets and limited playing time with them accomplishes that, the only reasonable way actually. Extended time together as a unit would likely be counter productive.

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 23, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Booker I suspect is a guy who could get additional minutes when Wall returns and the coaches want to try out the fast-break game. His game seems more mature.

Ndiaye I consider a classic developmental player. Would expect that he needs another off-season before the team sees much from him. As McGee did when he came out, but even more apparent.

You could argue that Seraphin shouldn't be in the NBA at all. Another season in Europe might have helped more, especially since he missed camp. But now that he's here, let him soak up as much he can at a leisurely pace. Fit him into the game when there's not much to lose, but don't saddle him with expectations. You saw what happened when Flip started him after the LA game; he quickly got lost. Learn a lesson from that. With a player like Kevin, slow is better. He's the biggest talent of the group. More talented in many ways than Ibaka.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

flip doesn't really have a choice at pg at the moment. so hudson's younger than hinrich, therefore he should be played more?

do you think about what you post?

Posted by: MinuMang | December 23, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

That's now...what was the reason before Wall got hurt and Gil got traded?

I look at the bigger picture and since Ted said he wanted to build the team like OKC did...then why not start Wall and NY to start the season?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Did you watch this game or are you just posting for the sake of posting?

Posted by: nmik | December 23, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

NO...I've stated before since the Wizards don't get on national TV I don't get to see them too often...that's why I post about the philosophy of the organization and/or the lack of one.

In my business I can get stuck at my computer for hours at a time so it's a break for me to read a little bit about the Wizards.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

why not start Wall and NY to start the season?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

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start the season with a talent who'd not yet played a single game in the league with a shooter who had yet to prove he could play at all if he missed his first one or two shots?

you gotta be kidding.

Posted by: MinuMang | December 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

why not start Wall and NY to start the season?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

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start the season with a talent who'd not yet played a single game in the league with a shooter who had yet to prove he could play at all if he missed his first one or two shots?

you gotta be kidding.

Posted by: MinuMang | December 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

It does not hurt but there is a situation called show the world your bads if some one will take them.

Posted by: gtefferra | December 23, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I would expect that Booker's minutes could increase as Lewis is worked into the lineup as well. Having a consistant scoring threat that can play at either forward position gives Flip the ability to take advantage of Booker's hustle, defense, and rebounding skills at either the 3 or the 4.

Yi is another guy who could benefit from Lewis being on board. When Lewis is at the 3 he's actually a pretty good rebounder. With Wall in the backcourt, Yi and Lewis would create the opportunity to space the floor to create driving lanes ala Jamison and Butler a few years ago.

The reason to play Lewis, Hinrich, and Howard is pretty clear to me. They all have come from programs where you have to defend to play. That's a starting point if you want to see this team become a championship contender down the road, you have to build with defense first.

That's the one thing I was pleased to see last night, the Wizards competed defensively, had a really good chance to hold the Bulls to the low 80's in scoring. Some of those points last night came after the game was decided.

Seraphin is a definite talent, but he's not ready for prime time, that was brutally clear in Sacramento. Last night was a close game, you don't just clear your bench for the sake of universal playing time, this isn't the Y kiddie league where EVERYBODY GETS A TROPHY!

It's the NBA, just because you got drafted doesn't mean you get automatic playing time. Look at a guy like Jermaine O'Neal and his playing time his first 4 years in the league. You watch, learn, and compete in practice, he eventually became an Allstar. You don't have to pile up heavy minutes as a youngster to develop.

Nick Young is progressing well, now he's going to have to learn how to play when an NBA defense is determined to take him out of a game. McGee would have been better off going against anybody but Thomas last night, but all and all he played a good game. It's guys like Thomas that he needs to learn the most from.

I spent all summer saying that was the Wizards biggest weakness, a real savy veteran center to bang McGee around some in practice and put in minutes when guys like Thomas are on the floor.

First game that Lewis and Howard were on the floor and the Wizards pushed Chicago to the last couple of minutes without Wall. Not sure what all of the complaining is about, except from people that didn't actually watch the game...

I wonder how is the weather in Orlando?
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | December 23, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

start the season with a talent who'd not yet played a single game in the league with a shooter who had yet to prove he could play at all if he missed his first one or two shots?

you gotta be kidding.

Posted by: MinuMang | December 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

And what did starting the season with a talent who'd not yet played a single game in the league with Kirk do for the team?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 23, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Was reading on the 'Bullets Forever' post that some folk were having a hard time understanding why AB was getting booed? It is plain and simple: Dude appears to be lazy! The fans are no 'dummies'. There were time when he would make a half-hearted effort to rotate out to the three point shooter or try to retrieve a loose ball and the fans see this clearly!!! When he goes to make his move for a shot around a defender, he doers so as if he's watching himself in the mirror. He's pretty...and it scares me! 7ft...where is the hard, strong moves a player at his height should have?... He's Scaring Me!!!

Posted by: bazteal | December 23, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

The Blatche hate here is ridiculous. He was playing great until Grunfeld traded for a former all-star who plays his position. The guy was frantic with tension last night--and it showed. But it wasn't even Blatche who lost the game--it was Lewis' 5 missed open three pointers. The team would have won if the guy had never shown up at Verizon Center. Now nobody knows what his role is. Typical Grunfeld and Saunders mismanagement.

Posted by: KTV1 | December 23, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

What starting Hinrich does, is that it says the Wiz got to have guys that will defend the perimeter.

That's what playing Lewis and Howard will also say to the rest of the team, The Wiz need people that know how to defend. Clearly a year ago Jamison and Butler were not defending, but pointing their fingers at the younger players for not defending either.

That's a tough culture to break and sometimes you have to step back before stepping forward. But the culture of playing half assed defense needed to change.

As defenders who would you rather have? Jamison, Butler, and Arenas, or Hinrich, Howard, and Lewis? You might even win a few more games with the old crew because they could outshoot some teams, but the team is competing much better on the defensive end right now.

That's what Flip's got to build on, these young guys will have to defend to fight their way onto the floor. Seems like Nick Young has finally bought in to it, and McGee's defense is also improving, so it's a start...

Any word on where Arenas is staying? Thought we'd have some Gilbert in Orlando sightings by now, hope double8er packed suntan lotion...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | December 23, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

According to SI.com's FanHouse:

"...the Bobcats and Portland have discussed a trade that would send beloved small forward Gerald Wallace to the Blazers with center DeSagana Diop and point guard D.J. Augustin in exchange for center Marcus Camby and point guard Andre Miller."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The Blatche hate here is ridiculous. He was playing great until Grunfeld traded for a former all-star who plays his position. The guy was frantic with tension last night--and it showed. But it wasn't even Blatche who lost the game--it was Lewis' 5 missed open three pointers. The team would have won if the guy had never shown up at Verizon Center. Now nobody knows what his role is. Typical Grunfeld and Saunders mismanagement.

Posted by: KTV1 | December 23, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse
RL missed 5 three pointers in his 1st game, our hero GA missesd 9 straight shoots. I am not in favour of RL but i have no problem to move GA at this point. It is not fair for both parties.
considering this trade as a failure is not reality ,the failure was done when arenas was signed with a bad knee for 6 years.

Posted by: gtefferra | December 23, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"The Blatche hate here is ridiculous. He was playing great until Grunfeld traded for a former all-star who plays his position. The guy was frantic with tension last night--and it showed."

Posted by: KTV1 | December 23, 2010 5:59 PM

If a player on an undermanned 7-19 team is "frantic with tension tension" at the idea of getting some additional talent to try and help the team win games, at the prospect of having to earn his status instead of having it handed to him, then he's a selfish, cowardly puss who needs to be shown the nearest door.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 23, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

until ernie and flip grow some sort of conciousness and realize Blatche sucks eggs, we will continue to struggle below mediocrity. I would much rather see Booker in there, at least he shows effort. Flip needs to be fired if he continues to go with that bum. and ernie should go for giving him that extension. another waste like arenas. Please Ted, doooo something!!!

Posted by: jreed63 | December 23, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

And about the refs last night, Its true there was alot of bad calls. The problem is the wiz have more fouls than any other team in the league. Now they have that rep. And as long as they continue to play D by reaching and not with their feet, they'll get no respect from the refs! Especially u Blatche

Posted by: jreed63 | December 23, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"The Blatche hate here is ridiculous. He was playing great until Grunfeld traded for a former all-star who plays his position. The guy was frantic with tension last night--and it showed. But it wasn't even Blatche who lost the game--it was Lewis' 5 missed open three pointers. The team would have won if the guy had never shown up at Verizon Center. Now nobody knows what his role is. Typical Grunfeld and Saunders mismanagement. Posted by: KTV1"

I'm hoping the above is a joke. Blatche was playing great before the trade? He played great for a stretch of games last season. He's not been the same player this season. Probably dates to the injury and rehab. He's never been a font of self-discipline and he's had conditioning problems before. I wonder if the Wiz wouldn't bring him off the bench for a while except they haven't had anyone else to play the position.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Lots of players slump the year after a contract, and Blatche has been injured, so he will get at least a couple more months to show a pulse. It's not like the Wizards have a better option at the 4. Booker and Lewis may look less lazy, but the results will be the same or worse(Lewis). Giving Blatche the run right now is for the best. The team's chemistry is still good, and I'd hate to see him turn into a malcontent like Haywood.

Part of Blatche's problem is that he doesn't really have go-to moves. He starts with a counter like that spin (which has been scouted to death), or he tries moves that don't really work for 7-footers like the up-and-under. He can still be serviceable if he gets healthy enough for a step-back jumper, but this summer he really needs to figure out something new to use.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 23, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

"I'm hoping the above is a joke. Blatche was playing great before the trade? He played great for a stretch of games last season. He's not been the same player this season. Probably dates to the injury and rehab. He's never been a font of self-discipline and he's had conditioning problems before. I wonder if the Wiz wouldn't bring him off the bench for a while except they haven't had anyone else to play the position.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 8:10 PM"

No joke. He was a major reason for the Wizards' blowout of Charlotte (aside from the fact that Brown was about to get canned), and played great against the Heat. He's taken a while to shake off the weight gain and pain from a broken foot but was rounding into being a 20-10 player again every night. That's called a starter in the NBA.

You notice I'm not insulting you back, because you're a pretty good commenter here, and I agree with you most of the time. But you're wrong on this score.

Posted by: KTV1 | December 23, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I think AB may still be a bit rattled from the 3 shot foul he committed on Bosh in the Miami game.

Whatever the cause of the funk--and I doubt it was the signing of Lewis, which everyone on the team has to know was primarily a contract-related move--I hope he gets out of it in a hurry.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | December 23, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

"You notice I'm not insulting you back, because you're a pretty good commenter here, and I agree with you most of the time. But you're wrong on this score.Posted by: KTV1"

Insulting? Saying that I hoped you were joking? That was the truth.

Looks like I hoped in vain, huh?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Here's some more trade gossip about Charlotte in the wake of Larry Brown's departure:

"[Michael] Jordan is considering a trade proposal that would send [D.J.] Augustin, DeSagana Diop and Matt Carroll to the Los Angeles Clippers for Davis, a league source told Yahoo! Sports. The Clippers have desperately tried to trade Davis and have included him in proposals with center Chris Kaman, league executives told Yahoo! Sports."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Blatche...VERY poor mans LaMarcus Aldridge

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | December 24, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Blatche + Nick Young + Flip + Grunfeld = LOSERS!!!

Posted by: getjiggly2 | December 24, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Blatche + Nick Young + Flip + Grunfeld = LOSERS!!!

Posted by: getjiggly2 | December 24, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Got to see a little of that Orlando-SA game - could have been worse. The Spurs just looked tired. Gilbert looked like the old Gilbert, which is pretty much better than Jameer Nelson usually looks. Having Dwight Howard in the middle seems to be a shot in the arm for everybody, and seeing that team play together makes you wonder how they ever managed to lose 8 of 9.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

BTW DeJuan Blair does not look like the same player. That's the third time this season I've seen him, and against more active players like Bass, it's like his feet are sunk in cement. Maybe I'm just catching him on bad nights. His FT% is up from 55 to 76%, and that's good, but FG% has gone the opposite direction (56 to 46%). Still a good rebounder but although he's started every game this year, he's averaging only 20 minutes.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"Larry Brown's available. Interesting. Unfortunately, he's about 100 years old now.
Posted by: randysbailin"

I beg to differ. Larry is a young 200.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Also BTW, I think someone should explain to Greg Popovich that his rotations are all wrong. His team fell behind by 20 last night, and yet Tiago Splitter and Ime Udoka were only on the floor for 17 minutes. Those guys are the future, why not play them 30 so they can gain valuable NBA experience? And why start Tony Parker? Sure, he went for 12 in the opening quarter, but what are the chances he'll be there next season? And does anybody really think Gary Neal is more than another two-season reclamation project like Roger Mason? Pop should have started Chris Quinn, see if there's anything there for next year.

And what's with starting Blair and yanking him after 20 minutes every game? Is he trying to destroy the guy's fragile ego?

Lemme tell you, it's a good thing those San Antonio players are carrying Popovich, because the guy clearly doesn't know what he's doing.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"Gilbert Arenas walked into the Orlando Magic locker room Thursday afternoon and found a handwritten note sitting on his chair.

It was from his new coach, Stan Van Gundy.

Go out there and play your game. Don't try to fit in. Push the ball.

Arenas heeded that advice hours later, leading the Orlando Magic to a convincing 123-101 win over the team with the NBA's best record, the San Antonio Spurs.

Maybe Flip should have done the same thing instead of driving J Wall into injury!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 24, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"Go out there and play your game. Don't try to fit in. Push the ball.
Arenas heeded that advice hours later, leading the Orlando Magic to a convincing 123-101 win over the team with the NBA's best record, the San Antonio Spurs.
Maybe Flip should have done the same thing instead of driving J Wall into injury!
Posted by: zack9633"

Play your game? Push the ball? Don't try to fit in? I thought that's what Flip told Wall to do.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Re: San Antonio
Posted by: Samson151

I've never seen Popovitch so relaxed about losing a game though he made his usual obligatory noises about needing to play better defense. Obviously, the team was exhausted.

I haven't seen too many Spurs' games this year (though I did catch their zone defense discombobulation of Denver a few nights ago). This team is certainly very different from their standard defensive ones. It'll be interesting to see how they do.

Posted by: nmik | December 24, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert looked like the old Gilbert . . . Having Dwight Howard in the middle seems to be a shot in the arm for everybody, and seeing that team play together makes you wonder how they ever managed to lose 8 of 9.
Posted by: Samson151

Arenas did look good (was he really not trying in Washington?), as did both Jefferson and Turkoglu. For a team without a real practice under their belt, they looked impressive.

If Van Gundy manages to make the defense work with these additions, I'll definitely salute.

Posted by: nmik | December 24, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Sweet Georgia Brown has been recorded by everyone from Bing Crosby to Louis Armstrong - even The Beatles! But by far, the most famous variation was the whistling, bone-clacking version recorded by Brother Bones and his Shadows in the late 1940's. Adopted in 1952 as the theme song of the Harlem Globetrotters, the catchy tune has been played during their pre-game warm-ups and throughout their games for decades.

The Internet Archive has the recordings of Sweet Georgia Brown, an interview with the Harlem Globetrotters, and an image of the label. Some of the mp3s take persistent refreshing to play, but they do eventually load.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 24, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

LeBron holds for on the advantages of contraction of teams in the NBA:

"Calling the league "watered down," James told reporters before Wednesday night's game in Phoenix that the NBA was more popular in the 1980s because there were fewer teams and thus more stars on the top squads."

"How can it be bad for basketball when you have guys who want to win playing on the same team?" he said. "Hopefully, the league can figure out one way where it can go back to the '80s where you had three or four All-Stars, three or four superstars, three or four Hall of Famers on the same team. The league was great. It wasn't as watered down as it is."

"We had more (star) players on the team, which made almost every game anticipated, not just the Christmas Day game or the Halloween game, things like that," James said.

"James also said it would be better for the league if some of the good players on bad teams were able to play for more successful teams."

"...that is why the league was so great," James said. "Imagine if you could take Kevin Love off Minnesota and add him to another team...Looking at some of the teams that aren't that great, you take Brook Lopez or you take Devin Harris off these teams that aren't that good right now and you add him to a team that could be really good."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse


"Gilbert Arenas walked into the Orlando Magic locker room Thursday afternoon and found a handwritten note sitting on his chair.

It was from his new coach, Stan Van Gundy.

Go out there and play your game. Don't try to fit in. Push the ball.

Arenas heeded that advice hours later, leading the Orlando Magic to a convincing 123-101 win over the team with the NBA's best record, the San Antonio Spurs.

Maybe Flip should have done the same thing instead of driving J Wall into injury!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 24, 2010 9:10 AM

Hilarious! Gilbert didn't "lead" the Magic to anything. In fact, Arenas was the 4th-leading scorer last night and Van Gundy has already said that he's not benching Nelson for Arenas. So, as I've said since this summer, Arenas is nothing better than a sixth man on a good team.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 24, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"LeBron holds for on the advantages of contraction of teams in the NBA"

King James makes a lot of sense.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | December 24, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"As a last thought: some encouraging signs from the SF position with Howard and Thornton. Al is an amazing athletes who nonetheless gets dinged a lot and benefits from reduced minutes. Howard is shooting 40% from the arc, which is where he really fell off last season. Both positive signs. Both have a big advantage over Nick Young at that position -- standing reach of 8'9.5" and 8'8" versus Nick at 8'4.5". Believe me, that makes a difference against somebody like Deng. If you recall Luol was a big difference in the last game and not much of a factor this outing."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

But Nick Young is a natural Shooting Guard and not a Small Forward so this statement is absolutely baseless.

Posted by: Dave381 | December 24, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"But Nick Young is a natural Shooting Guard and not a Small Forward so this statement is absolutely baseless.Posted by: Dave381"

You lost me there, Bunky. Just pointing out that Nick Young was at a disadvantage against Deng in the first game and Howard was more effective in the second. Not a critique of either player. Nick was playing out of position.

There are ways to get around physical disadvantages against bigger or faster players, most of which involve a sort of harassing, annoying style designed not to produce the usual measures (steals, blocks) but to drive the opponent out of his comfort zone. Practiced by defensive stars like Ben Wallace, Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier, Quinton Ross, etc. Kurt Thomas is in there too, and Fab Oberto, subject of much derision here.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Once again Gilbert has no lateral movement, none.
He also has no lift.
He is only getting open shots due to slag off onto Dhoward.
Last I looked we did not have a big that was double teamed.

We would if we had a coach to get Jm tonplay below the waist rather than just above the waist.
That is why he can not hold position, or set a pick, or go back up quickly.
All sports are played from the feet/leggs up.
Enough complaints about Jm s size. Hisnupper body is ripped and his legs are stronger than Dh.
But oh my watch Dhowards feet movement. Thank you Hakeem.
Please let Kseraphan play before mr Hilton.
Like I have said Hilton has a 7" neck which means he as the shoulder height of a 6'9" center. Not close to enough.

Posted by: mricklen | December 24, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious! Gilbert didn't "lead" the Magic to anything. In fact, Arenas was the 4th-leading scorer last night and Van Gundy has already said that he's not benching Nelson for Arenas. So, as I've said since this summer, Arenas is nothing better than a sixth man on a good team.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 24, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

@ bobaluie

Bro, I believe you whe you said you don't like Gil but that statement came directly from the Orlando Sentinel. For the record, Van Gundy did NOT say that he wouldn't bench Nelson in favor of Gil. In fact. Gil has told the press that he didn't want to start out of respect for Jameer. Van Gundy was asked if he would change his line up and he replied "You never know, things could change it it was best for the team. Gil is gone . . . or is he?

BTW- Gil will be starting in O-town by the Allstar break.

Posted by: zack9633 | December 24, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Stan Van Gundy said he wants Arenas playing 28 to 32 minutes per game — especially if he keeps playing like he did Thursday night.

“He changed the game in the first half,” Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. “We were in the game and things were going back and forth. … Gilbert spread it. He hit two or three buckets in a row and he made a big difference.”

Orlando Sentinel

"Van Gundy has already said that he's not benching Nelson for Arenas"
Posted by: bobabuie | December 24, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Trying to guess who I'm more inclined to believe, YOU? or Popovich/Orlando Sentinel? Aaaahhhhh!!! Probably not you!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 24, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I've never been a big Jameer Nelson fan. He's not the PG you'd expect to see leading a title contender.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse


Trying to guess who I'm more inclined to believe, YOU? or Popovich/Orlando Sentinel? Aaaahhhhh!!! Probably not you!

Posted by: zack9633 | December 24, 2010 7:19 PM

@ wack9633

Since neither said Gil "lead" the Wizards last night, roll with me.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 24, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"But oh my watch Dhowards feet movement. Thank you Hakeem."

Not to be a spoilsport, but the three occasions I've seen Howard this season (not including that opener against an absent Washington club), I don't see much improvement on the offensive end. His FG percentage is down from 61.2% to 57.5%, his FTs are off from 59 to 56%, and in his 7th year he still doesn't have a recognizable 'go-to' move.

So here's my question: is this Olajawon's fault? Or Patrick Ewing's? Are those guys actually holding him back?

Maybe a big man coach isn't such a great idea after all...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 24, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse


"I’m coming off the bench and I do what I do. I don’t want to start. This team is too talented.”

Arenas mentioned he enjoys playing with the second unit and likes being a guy that brings energy off the bench.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2010/12/gilbert-arenas-i-dont-want-to-start-this-team-is-too-talented.html

Dude knows when he doesn't measure up. No sense putting a one-legged SG at PG in the starting lineup and ruining a good thing.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 24, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse


"Stan Van Gundy has announced that Jameer Nelson, the lead ballhandler and starting point guard for Orlando's recent run of success, will remain the starter at the position. As Richardson is a rather true shooting guard, that leaves Arenas looking at a likely sixth man role."

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2010/12/19/1884336/gilbert-arenas-trade-jameer-nelson-jason-richardson

All niceties aside (as well as Arenas' noble gesture to come off the bench (even though nobody asked him to do otherwise)), Arenas is a 6th man for the Magic. Seasons Greetings and Peace.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 24, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

@Boobooee

I just want you to recognize and know the difference bnetween a "basketball player" and a "role model". Gil is a basketball player that would start over more than half of any of the playoff teams now and 2009.
Gil would not be recogized as a "role model" for any of those teams and probably not any of the non playoff teams BUT, he IS a "basketball player" who is BY FAR a better than Jameer Nelson who I LIKE better as a "ROLE MODEL" than Gilbert Arenas. Did I make my point clear enough for you?

Posted by: zack9633 | December 24, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse


BUT, he IS a "basketball player" who is BY FAR a better than Jameer Nelson who I LIKE better as a "ROLE MODEL" than Gilbert Arenas. Did I make my point clear enough for you?

Posted by: zack9633

@ crack9633,

Stop smoking that stuff, dude (or is it heavily spiked eggnog that has you out o' your mind). Nelson is shooting 46% from the field for his career and has a 2.9 assist-to-turnover ratio this year. Sadly, Arenas is shooting 38% from the field this season and has a 1.7 assist-to-turnover ratio. I know of NO starting SG or PG shooting that poorly or handling the ball so poorly. NONE! Deal with the facts of today and stop fondly looking back to circa 2006. I'll type it slowly since apparently you have trouble dealing with truths: Arenas...is...a...bench...player.

Barring injury (or a Wizards-style rebuild), Van Gundy will bring him off the bench, see what he's got on a given night and sit him when he's stinking it up. And it fair to say that he is rancid on most nights. Pesky things, facts.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 24, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

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