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Posted at 12:50 AM ET, 12/ 4/2010

Wizards prove to be a complicated team

By Michael Lee

Just try to figure us out. (Photo by John McDonnell/The Washington Post)


Nick Young was styling after the Wizards' 83-79 win over Portland on Friday, as he walked through the locker room in a slick, chocolate leather jacket. Before the game, Wizards assistant Sam Cassell spotted it hanging in Young's locker room stall, examined it, rubbed it, and said, "This is nice right here."

Young's teammates couldn't help but notice afterward, as Gilbert Arenas made note of it as he got dressed. "This is my Shaft look," Young joked, mentioning the man who would risk his neck for his brother man.

Arenas and Hilton Armstrong chuckled. Laughter has been rare with the Wizards recently, as they arrived at home on Friday in the midst of a four-game losing streak. It didn't help that an hour before the game, Young informed Coach Flip Saunders that he wasn't going to be able to play because of a bruised right thigh, suffered in a collision with Raptors forward DeMar DeRozan two nights before in Toronto.

Losing some offensive firepower off the bench -- for a team that struggles to score -- would appear to hurt the Wizards. But much like Shaft, this is a complicated team. And I'm not sure anyone can understand it.

How else do you explain a team that goes from giving up a season-high 127 points to Toronto to limiting Portland to 79 points, the fewest allowed all season? Or Andray Blatche suddenly deciding to lock down LaMarcus Aldridge after having opposing teams exploit him defensively in recent games? It has a lot to do with being home, where the Wizards are 6-3 this season, but this game still was a bit of a head-scratcher.

And not for the reason you might expect.

John Wall made his return to the starting lineup against the Trail Blazers, which was inevitable with him being the No. 1 overall pick and all, but it also came at the expense of Arenas moving back to the bench.

Arenas was a sub his first four games this season, as he was working his way back from a sprained right ankle. He failed to find much rhythm offensively until he became a starter for eight games when Wall went down with a sprained left foot and also a bruised right knee.

After the game, Saunders said that Arenas had suggested coming off the bench to Cassell several weeks ago. "He thought that he could have more of an impact for the team at that point," Saunders said. "I think that when reality came to do that, I don't know if he was so sold on it at that point."


This is working for now. (Photo by John McDonnell/The Washington Post)

Arenas said he is fine with a reserve role for now, but it seems contrived since he played so well while Wall was out with injury and hadn't really done anything to lose his job (his 1-for-10 shooting performance against the Raptors notwithstanding). "Kirk [Hinrich], in training camp, he deserved that spot. He played well. He's still playing well," Arenas said. "It wouldn't be fair if coach took him out the starting lineup and put me in because he hasn't done nothing wrong."

As Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade noted earlier this week, Arenas didn't appear like he was "there mentally with the team" during the preseason, and Saunders didn't have a problem moving on with Hinrich, who was one of the best players in camp and remains the best perimeter defender on the team. But the Wizards certainly didn't acquire Hinrich before the draft with the intention of having him start ahead of Arenas.

So much was made this season on whether or not Arenas would be able to play with Wall, but it seems that the Wizards have always had a convenient excuse to avoid that pairing. First, it was Arenas's injury. Next, it was Wall's injuries. The Wizards have been without Al Thornton and Yi Jianlian as well and are still waiting for Josh Howard to come back from his left knee injury. Howard has been participating in more full-court drills in practice and is closer to returning, but what happens when Howard is back?

Saunders has only started Arenas with Wall one time this season, when they shared the floor with Hinrich in a 20-point loss to Atlanta on Thanksgiving. Now that Wall and Arenas are healthy, Saunders still starts Alonzo Gee? Nothing against Gee -- he's a solid, blue-collar guy -- but he has gone from not playing in San Antonio to starting for the Wizards.

But are the Wizards really in a position where they can have an $18-million sub?

When told that fans have waited all season to really see Arenas and Wall play together, Arenas replied, "We're out there. It's right now, we're focused on finding a rhythm that fits us."

Arenas has done some of his best work this season with Wall sitting. When he had his first 30-point game against Chicago on Nov. 13, Arenas did most of his damage right after Wall left to have his left foot checked out. With Wall sidelined with his foot injury, he led the team to wins over Toronto and Memphis. When Wall went down with a bruised left knee, Arenas responded with 31 points the next night.

And, when the Wizards made their critical run in the third quarter, Arenas came in for Wall and immediately hit a pull-up jumper, made a fastbreak layup and even blocked a shot to help his team enter the fourth quarter with a one-point lead. Arenas and Wall hooked up for a beautiful alley-oop against Houston, but they have yet to truly mesh.

Eventually, Saunders and the Wizards will have to make some tough decisions.

His rotation will likely be modified again when the Wizards start their three-game road trip through Phoenix, Los Angeles and Sacramento. Young said that he doesn't expect his thigh bruise to force him to miss the next game against Phoenix. "DeMar kneed me in my thigh in the first half," Young said. "It's been kind of sore ever since. I just have to take it day by day, to rest it a little bit. It was a bad bruise. I didn't want to continue to play on it."

Saunders was asked after the game how hard it has been for the players to adjust with so many moving in and out of the lineup. "More importantly, how's the coach adjusting to that?" Saunders asked back with a laugh. "We're hoping to get some continuity. It's tough, and it's more difficult because we're trying to get back, basically, John, Yi, and Al, three guys that have been hurt, and they're trying to work their way to getting back on the job, and they really need practice time, so their timing is off a little bit and when you get them out there, sometimes the team struggles both offensively and defensively. Hopefully, at some point here we got most of our guys back, we'll start working and getting them into, get into some type of rotation."

By Michael Lee  | December 4, 2010; 12:50 AM ET
 
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Comments

I personally think that there will be no more Thornton or Arenas (as much as I want him to stay) after the trade deadline so maybe flip is going with what he will have for the rest of the season.

Posted by: CantWait90 | December 4, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Its not complicated. The guards in the first half shot 22%. There were 13 turnovers. In the second half the defense got stops and steals, the Blazers only scored 10 in the third quarter. It was a good defensive effort for the Wizards. Blatche played defense for the 3rd game this year, when he does it he does it well. Gee, Blatche, and McGee got just enough defense to keep them close. Then in the second half more shots fell and we won the game. Saunders said Hinrich is his best defensive player, that means Saunders is an idiot. Arenas, Young and Hinrich can jump the passing lanes and jab for balls off the dribble, they can not stop or guard someone shooting. Chenier said the same thing during the broadcast about Hinrich. Arenas was a dangerous shooter, this year he does not inspire the same kind of confidence as in the past. Martin does and he can man-up. He rarely makes a mistake. He is taller and stronger, and makes enough outside shots. The point is defense is what is going to allow this team to win. We only allowed 79 points tonight and it was still a close win at home. Grunfeld must have heard Leonsis say that the play in Miami was unacceptable. Look for changes soon, either on the court or with the coach. I think we have the pieces, but each game tells me I may be too optimistic. I would like to see what I feel is the right lineup at least once before I admit defeat. Wall, Martin, Gee, Blatche, McGee.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 4, 2010 3:17 AM | Report abuse

cantwait99, there will be no Arenas move if he's coming off the bench. What team will want his contract if he cant even start for us? Flip's just an idiot

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 4, 2010 4:41 AM | Report abuse

Wizards prove to be a complicated team...

Nothing against Gee but he has gone from not playing in San Antonio to starting for the Wizards.

What's so complicated? The Wizards get a guy who can't get off the bench on a good team but starts for the Wizards?

That means the GM sucks at doing his job.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 4, 2010 5:06 AM | Report abuse

the team moves better with arenas..did u guys see wall sit in the corner mad that flip put arenas at the point last 4 mins of the game..he didnt even go in the huddle at the end..i havent seen no chris paul like vision from him yet..hes just fast..thats it..

Posted by: MrNoOne | December 4, 2010 5:14 AM | Report abuse

@bulletsfan78: How does that mean the GM sucks? You really want to compare San Antonio to the Wizards? Perhaps Gee isn't a permanent starter, but if it keeps Flip from using the 3-guard line up, am all for starting Gee. Once Thornton and Josh Howard get back 100%, this will all be in the past anyway.

Posted by: tundey | December 4, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

I really don't agree that Hinrich is our best perimeter player. He may be the best veteran perimeter player. But, being a vet can only go so far. AJ was is a seasoned vet but that doesn't stop his arse from getting toasted now, or when he was here.

The same for Hinrich, he gets toasted all the time. I really think that Young is a much better defender than Hinrich, probably both Martin and Gee is as well and certainly Howard will be when he returns.

It is like a smoke screen with saying that Hinrich is our best perimeter player when Hinrich is getting all the perimeter minutes and the other guys watch.

Also, starting Gee over Martin wasn't a concern for me initially, but since it has been pointed out here repeatedly, I can see that maybe it would have been best to start Martin.

Again, it a rotation move by Flip that you just scratch your head at.

Also, it would be better to get on with Wall and Arenas and a traditional SF whomever Flip decides on, Gee/Martin/Young, for Hinrich will still be able to bring whatever he has even coming off the bench in a limited 15-20 mpg role.

You have to ask is
Flip afraid of success?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 4, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and it also didn't hurt that most of the guys from last season who are now gone were playing for contracts.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 3, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Agreed...That is the kind of attitude you get from a motivated team. Some coacjes can get it from the "right" players, even in non-contract years. Some can't. I haven't seen it from Flip.

New coaches often get it, if only for 3-4 games. And the top coaches get it on a regular basis.

But i agree with your way earlier point that some players need to motivate themselves and are not prone to being motivated by a coach. My point was that the "great" coaches have the freedom to get rid of those players and if they are not allowed to do so, they bail.

Anyway - last night's game was good to see. Beating a bad team with injured is what even other bad teams are supposed to do.

As to why Gee is starting, I think it is pretty obvious...our options at 3 are, in decending order:

Josh Howard - injured
Al Thornton - semi-injured
Nick Young - Injured
Gee - available
Yi - semi-injured and not really a SF
Booker - Can fill in for a couple minutes, but not really a SF

My only question about last night is why Seraphin didn't get a few minutes.

Posted by: Blurred | December 4, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the comments made by LarryInClintonMD and MrNoOne.

I like Hinrich but he is getting burned. I think part of the problem is this weird belief that he can check bigger players. That isn't happening. Plus I think it takes away from his offense. With all the wing players we have there is no need to do this to him.

Nick has been playing soooo well. Offensively and Defensively. I am glad he is getting the chance. Truly if you look in the past the only thing that has held him back is inconsistent playing time. Scorers need minutes to get their rhythm going.

John Wall is very fast. But I am not sold on his "point guard" skills yet. He is young so give it time. He doesn’t seem to have natural passing instincts. With all the offensive weapons he has he frequently looks them off to drive and get knocked to the floor. He is what I call an "escape" passer. He is athletic enough to throw a pass once he is in trouble. However, he doesn’t have the vision to find players open (i.e. Kidd, Nash, and Paul). He seems to be trying to “shake” someone rather than make the play. The Holiday kid kept stripping him when they went head to head. Still give it time.

The team flows better with Arenas. His jump shot and willingness to pass makes him a better fit. John is really good if we can push the ball (sort of like the Westbrook kid in OKC).

Flip is not the answer for this team. His player handling is inconsistent (if Nick Young made some of the mistakes Wall does he would never get off the bench). What is he going to do if/when we get everyone healthy? Sit some scoring wing player down to play three guards?

If Arenas continues to behave and avoid any major injury I am sure some team will try to get him. I would hate to see him go. I like our depth. I think we should utilize it better (wake up Flip). Stop with the superstar treatment of the kid and just send wave after wave of player at the opposing team. We could wear teams out al la Georgetown back in the 80s. If the money works would an Arenas/Young for Carmelo work?

Posted by: tmh32 | December 4, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

"What's so complicated? The Wizards get a guy who can't get off the bench on a good team but starts for the Wizards?That means the GM sucks at doing his job.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

So does that mean Ernie shouldn't have signed Gee in the first place? Or maybe Ernie should have held on to Gee instead of letting him go to San Antonio last season for more money? But if Gee had stayed, then would we criticize the Wiz for playing him anyway, since he couldn't get off the bench for the Spurs? But then, we wouldn't know that, would we? So maybe we should have signed Gee for more money, released him later, allowed him to go to San Antonio and not be able to get off the bench, then insisted Ernie be fired for... I'll think of something.

Also, how come Ernie couldn't pry Nowitzki out of Dallas for Butler and Haywood?

Perhaps if he'd asked nicely and thrown in his top draft choice this year... then we wouldn't have that bum Wall who is unfairly keeping Gilbert on the bench... it's Ernie's fault, we know that much.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

"If the money works would an Arenas/Young for Carmelo work?Posted by: tmh32"

No doubt. I can imagine George Karl salivating over the prospect of coaching Nick and Gil.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

"I like our depth. I think we should utilize it better (wake up Flip). Stop with the superstar treatment of the kid and just send wave after wave of player at the opposing team. We could wear teams out al la Georgetown back in the 80s."

I like our depth too. I'm pretty sure we could stay close with that Georgetown team.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

"It is like a smoke screen with saying that Hinrich is our best perimeter player when Hinrich is getting all the perimeter minutes and the other guys watch.Also, starting Gee over Martin wasn't a concern for me initially, but since it has been pointed out here repeatedly, I can see that maybe it would have been best to start Martin."

Are you sure you're watching the games? Is the TV on? Check your remote. If you were watching the games, you would know you couldn't possibly be watching the games.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Several observations:
The first one is that the Wiz do not have many 3 pt. shooters. I know hard defense is a major key to winning, but we have been hearing that for the last 10 years.
Nick is a good 3 pt. shooter. Martin is decent, as is Kirk. Gil used to be great...now he hits a lot of iron. He seems much more consistent from say 15 ft., for now. It is hard to get an O rebound from a 3...as the ball bounces crazy. Each lost rebound gives the other team an opportunity to score. Miss a number of them...and you have problems. I`m not saying Flip should tell players not to shoot them...just take fewer. If a guy starts knocking them down...feed him..until he starts missing...then get away from that guy taking 3`s. When you don`t score..and the other team rebounds and scores...it allows them to start a run.

When Josh Howard comes back from his major surgery...who knows if he is even going to be able to help this year?

Stop trying to force that extra pass in traffic...it leads to turnovers. 13 turnovers in one half is terrible!! John Wall is great...but he tries to do too many things that he got away with at Kentucky...this is the NBA. Have him watch hours of tape on Rondo, and Rose..as part of his training. He needs to quickly learn when he has a path to the basket, and when he has to pull up for a short jumper...or pass the ball.

Lastly..motivation...if you don`t come out motivated..get someone in there who is. loosing a game or two..is worth the message you send to the players. Lectures don`t work as well as getting pulled from a game..and sitting on the bench the rest of the night.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | December 4, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Is John Wall our SG? Sure looked like it quite a bit last night.

Portland is terrible and the refs like us at home...but that's the nba, and the W is always nice.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

cantwait99, there will be no Arenas move if he's coming off the bench. What team will want his contract if he cant even start for us? Flip's just an idiot
Posted by: dlts2041

Arenas is shooting 38.1%. Although he's playing better defense than I've seen him play in previous years (i.e., he at least occasionally seems to be trying), it's still largely matador defense.

Unless something changes, trading him will be difficult whether he's coming off the bench, starting, or parachuting from the rafters.

Posted by: nmik | December 4, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

"If the money works would an Arenas/Young for Carmelo work?Posted by: tmh32"

No doubt. I can imagine George Karl salivating over the prospect of coaching Nick and Gil.Posted by: Samson151

He has JR Smith doesn't he :) Both Gil and Nick are showing maturity. Just throwing out an idea.

"I like our depth too. I'm pretty sure we could stay close with that Georgetown team. "Posted by: Samson151


Patrick Ewing
David Wingate
Reggie Williams
Michael Jackson
Michael Graham
Billy Martin
Fred Brown
Broadnax
etc.

I am sure that 84 team would give a lot of NBA teams some run. :)

The point is the Wizards have depth and talent. Superstar talent? No (see Heat). Good talent? Yes. Basketball is a team sport and we have enough interchangeable parts to make some noise if they were coached right.

Posted by: tmh32 | December 4, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

shame about brandon roy, he was an emergent all-everything and now he's just not the same player.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

What's so complicated?The wiz sucks,and I'll be sshocked if they win more than 20 games.18-64.Book it!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | December 4, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

What's so complicated?The wiz sucks,and I'll be sshocked if they win more than 20 games.18-64.Book it!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | December 4, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"Saunders said Hinrich is his best defensive player, that means Saunders is an idiot. Arenas, Young and Hinrich can jump the passing lanes and jab for balls off the dribble, they can not stop or guard someone shooting. Chenier said the same thing during the broadcast about Hinrich.

Posted by: 1bmffwb"

Actually, that's the exact opposite of what Chenier said about Hinrich. He said Hinrich does NOT jump the passing lanes or jab at the ball, doesn't get steals or blocks, but he does make life difficult for opposing perimeter players by getting in their face and forcing them into difficult shots/passes.

I don't think Hinrich is an all-NBA defensive player anymore, but he's certainly not a poor defensive player by any means (a couple games notwithstanding - and he also shouldn't be checking SFs). I do think that he needs to play more of a 'Deshawn Stevenson' role for the Wiz offensively. He fumbles the ball a lot and I don't think he's particularly adept breaking down an opponent. Limit his touches offensively, let him spot up for 3s, and instruct him to keep the ball moving and he will be a very solid player for this team.

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I am not clear why every body is mad on KH minutes,GA is not yet ready to play defense.KH is good on one to one defense if he is defending slow SG like roy,he did good job.His main problem is against fast SG who can burn him all the time.I personaly will leave with him for now.The only thing i do not like is his ball movment,he dribble too much and not a good shooter.
When the team operate in full capacity,provided Arenas is here,i will start JW,GA,JH,JM and AB.
NY for 2 and 3 sub,KH for 1 and 2 sub,CM for 2 and 3 and Yi for 4and 5 sub, this 9 man rotation will help.I can see why Gee is starting ,l like his agressivness but his offense is bad,Martin is better offensively and provide good defense on the right man.I have to admit that i do not see a spot on ALT, he is too inconsistant.

Posted by: gtefferra | December 4, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"The point is the Wizards have depth and talent. Superstar talent? No (see Heat). Good talent? Yes. Basketball is a team sport and we have enough interchangeable parts to make some noise if they were coached right.
Posted by: tmh32"

Now that you mention it, maybe we couldn't have stayed with that Hoya '84 club.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

It's a good thing that NY didn't get into the game because the Jheri curl that he was rocking would have splattered black man grease all over the floor and made it too hazardous to play. In one shot, NY was being goofy again on the bench and flipped his head back. A bald white dude was behind him and caught an eyefull of the Jheri curl grease.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jheri_curl

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"Lectures don`t work as well as getting pulled from a game..and sitting on the bench the rest of the night.Posted by: blazerguy234"

But... but... how will Nick and Javale get the minutes they need to become players who deserve to get minutes?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I know JWow is just a rook, but Grunfeld will have to do something about the guard lineup/rotation. It's unknown who's the primary PG and facilitator, because you have 3 guys trying to be the point guard. In one series, JWow was expecting to bring up the ball and then Kirk just dribbled right past him, to which JWow threw up his hands in the air like "WTF?" It's clear that the team runs better with JWow at the point.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"Chenier said the same thing during the broadcast about Hinrich.Posted by: 1bmffwb"
"Actually, that's the exact opposite of what Chenier said about Hinrich."posted by: psps23"

Clearly, although both of you are watching the game, only one of you is listening to it.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

So does that mean Ernie shouldn't have signed Gee in the first place?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

It's sad when a GM has to rely on players who can't even make the squad on good teams to fill out his roster after being on the job for 7 years.

Maybe keeping some 5th draft picks instead of trading them for players who don't resign after 1 year might have prevented him from doing so?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 4, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"In one series, JWow was expecting to bring up the ball and then Kirk just dribbled right past him, to which JWow threw up his hands in the air like "WTF?" It's clear that the team runs better with JWow at the point.
Posted by: DC_MAN88"

It's also clear that 'JWow' is sort of a dumb moniker, but does that stop you from using it? No way.

Sometimes clarity isn't enough.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

There's nothing complicated about this. Young team on the road as opposed to young team at home.

That's what young teams do. Its why you will never see Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Popovich or any championship winning coach take a job without a veteran heavy roster.

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 4, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

It's unknown who's the primary PG and facilitator, because you have 3 guys trying to be the point guard.

yeah, it's a pretty poor rotation but with NY injured options are limited. If we're going to constantly have 2-3 PGs on the floor, we're going to have to start getting Javale the ball in scoring position. 3 guys looking to setup Blatche is too limited

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Release Hilton Armstrong

Posted by: SWA69 | December 4, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Evee in win, this team was out-rebounded 43-51, and gave up 23 offensive rebounds.

This team has some good shot blockers (lead by McGee of course), but does not have a single player who is entitled to be called "good" rebounder.

Posted by: sagaliba | December 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"Release Hilton ArmstrongPosted by: SWA69"

Where? Into the Wild?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"It's sad when a GM has to rely on players who can't even make the squad on good teams to fill out his roster..." Posted by: bulletsfan78"

I thought lottery teams were supposed to fill out their rosters with guys who couldn't make the 16-3 Spurs.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Release Hilton Armstrong
Posted by: SWA69

Why?

Surely you've noticed that, although he's not supremely talented or athletic, he plays a good solid game. He's usually in the right position defensively, he usually makes the non-dumb move, and he always plays hard.

What's not to like?

Posted by: nmik | December 4, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

This team has some good shot blockers (lead by McGee of course), but does not have a single player who is entitled to be called "good" rebounder.

Javale is 10th amongst Cs, 2nd in Offensive boards. We run an undersized lineup much of the time, rebs will be hard to come by

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The way wall throws his body around, he may be in and out of lineup many times, which means we will not have a steady starting backcourt.

Posted by: sagaliba | December 4, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I thought lottery teams were supposed to fill out their rosters with guys who couldn't make the 16-3 Spurs.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Good GM's aren't supposed to be in the lottery after being on the job for 7 years...unless he's made a lot of mistakes in the draft, signing free agents and trading for players.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 4, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Alonzo Gee starting and getting all those minutes is a slap in the face to Cartier. Cariter plays with the summer team, trainign camp..does everything asked and Gee jut comes along and FLIP starts him. Are you serious. All this kid can do at this point (or least what he has shown) is dunk. I did see soem reason for concern last night between the interaction of Wall and Arenas for the first time. Wall seemed upset when Gil waived him off and brought the ball up and then Gil seemed upset when Wall took the ball on his own and missed a shot. Something to monitor over the next few games. Why is Flip listening to Gil regarding who to start? I thought that was Flip's job!

Posted by: ptp09 | December 4, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"Good GM's aren't supposed to be in the lottery after being on the job for 7 years...unless he's made a lot of mistakes in the draft, signing free agents and trading for players.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Good thinking. You're saying he shouldn't have had to blow the team up last season, because he shouldn't have forced Abe Pollin to sign Gilbert to that awful contract, so when Gil got hurt he would have been playing for another team, meaning he would have brought the guns into the locker room at Golden State or someplace like that, and Monta Ellis would have been scoring points and playing no defense for us, instead of Arenas.

See, I'm beginning to understand how you think...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Flip's doing what he's told where Kirk is concerned despite the fact that Gilbert is head and shoulders above Kirk as a guard. Ernie went out and signed Hinrich, and Flip was told on no uncertain terms that Hinrich would start and that was that.I am of the mind that Hinrich and Young would be an excellent tandem coming off the bench what with Nick's new found defensive skills and Kirk running the point that would a nice change of pace. The only chance this team has of winning(other than trading Blatche and changing coach's)is for Wall and Arenas to start.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 4, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"All this kid [Gee] can do at this point (or least what he has shown) is dunk."

How can you say that? This is Alonzo Gee we're talking about! The very player who Ernie thoughtlessly allowed to exit to San Antonio last season, thereby causing a riot among fanz who regarded Alonzo as second only to the great Shaun Livingston, another catastropic loss that nonetheless pales beside Ernie's failure to draft DeJuan Blair, still yet another catastrophe!

And besides that, we should be playing Cartier Martin, the guy is probably an All-Star if he was in Boston or someplace...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse


Why is Flip listening to Gil regarding who to start? I thought that was Flip's job!

Posted by: ptp09

Flip isn't listening to Gil. He's wanted to start the 'Kissed One', Kirk Hinrich, since they acquired him and injuries and Gil's poor play have greased the skids for it to happen. That starting lineup of Gee, Wall and Hinrich was a joke; not a single good shooter among the three. Gee has no offensive game. Hinrich wants to pass. Wall wants pass or penetrate. Flip needs scoring from the bench because his starting lineup is bound to create a deficit.

Posted by: bobabuie | December 4, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"Flip's doing what he's told where Kirk is concerned despite the fact that Gilbert is head and shoulders above Kirk as a guard."

Actually, I believe they're about the same height.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Why would you release Armstrong? Who is going to back up McGee? Did you even watch the game last night? Did you see the run they made with Armstrong in the 3rd/4th when they were down double digits and then took the lead? He blocked a shot... got a steal... got a dunk... a crucial rebound and had 2 or 3 deflections. He was CRITICAL in the Wizards making that run to get back in the game. It wasn't flashy... but its the dirty work that helps win games. Honestly... he is our most solid defender in the post. Mcgee blocks a ton of shots... but often ends up out of position on the ones he doesn't block. Did you watch the Toronto game when Armstrong wasn't there? Did you see how many points in the paint we gave up? Not saying he would have made the difference... but he sure would have helped. Again I ask... WHO is going to spell McGee if Armstrong was released? The rookie?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: gwshark | December 4, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

It is complicated in that it's just kinda hard to figure this team out.

In general I like the team and the whole roster really from 1-15. I think they're actually a better team right now with Arenas and Hinrich in the backcourt together. I mean Wall was the #1 pick, but he is a rookie who although extremely talented still has holes in his game and hasn't yet learned the league and the NBA game. Arenas is afterall a former Allstar, and he and Hinrich both have polished games.

Flip talked about how Hinrich is the best defender and needs to be on the floor, so it sounds to me he has no intention of changing things. He is going Wall/Hinrich and Gil is the odd man out. I think this is a serious mistake. The only chance this team has at being any good this year is for that backcourt to be out there and given a chance to click. The offensive potential of that IMO exceeds the defensive benefits of Hinrich. And I think the speed and athleticism of Arenas/Wall together would be adequate defensively and get some TOs in any case.

Flip is being stubborn about sticking with Hinrich and it is driving this season right down the drain.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 4, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

PART 1

Good Win, But……..

you already know what Im going to talk about. I just dont get why Kirk has to start over Gil. Kirk is the perfect backup PG. Look at our starting lineup tonight. We dont have 1 consistent scorer on the floor. Our 2 most money scorers are Gil & NY and Flip wants to bring both off the bench. We have to depend on guys like Wall or McGee or Kirk or Gee or Dray to score for us? Just start Gil. It makes so much more sense. I also think its becoming clearer that Gil & Wall “can” play together like I said. Wall just needs to get his timing back & Gil just needs his J to start falling again.

The thing Im most upset about is the sked. We are going out West right now. If youve followed the Wiz then you know Gil always finds his rythm out West. You going to put him on the bench against a running team like the Suns who has Nash or either Gil’s boy Richardson to guard him? He always goes off in situations like that. Then going back home to LA to play the Lakers? Thats 2 places he dropped 54 & 60pts and we bring him off the bench. No PG the Lakers have can guard a motivated Gil and Kobe is too big to guard him.

Then we go to Sac? That sked has the Arenas takeover written all over it. He could single handily keep us in those games or win those games but we want him on the bench for Kirk and we want us to start off looking like crap every game. Starting every game with Wall wanting to pass but having no go to scorer to pass it to. Then he has to be the go to scorer which he is not. Then we end up bringing Gil in anyways because we havent gotten anything going. Just start the normal lineup Flip, you idiot.

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 4, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

PART 2

I just could see Gil & Wall looking great out West in uptempo games. We could start looking like a different team. Look at that lineup & rotations tonight. We arent going to win hardly any games like that and if we do, it will all be stressful dog fights. We already have NY for the bench scoring. NY & Kirk are a great match on the bench together. I just dont get it. Its just setting everything back. Then by time he switches it up, everything will be too far gone. We will already be in suck mode.

I mean, are we seriously going to have Gil benched for Hinrich? Again, this isnt a Hinrich diss. He can play but his role on this team is the backup PG, not the starting 2 you fool, espically when we have no consistent scorers in the starting unit. I could see us being explosive if Wall & Gil get going at the same time with guys like Dray & McGee in the frontcourt. It sholdnt even be for debate. Gil’s playing very well right now except his J is way off. You know one of these games he’s going to get it back and we are going to waste that. It doesnt make sense.

Gil can do things like Lebron did the other night as far as having a 20pt quarter. Kirk isnt capable of that. Why Flip? Ive said all along that its going to take a Hinrich injury for him to be put in his proper role and I dont want to wish injuries on anyone but thats just how dumb Flip is right now. It makes no sense. Gil starting with Kirk & NY on the bench is just the perfect mix. Our team would look night & day with that group but maybe Flip is just tanking it or something. If youre going to tank, it would help to build up Gil’s stock in the process though

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 4, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

lol, did you hear what Flip just said? He’s such a tool. He talked about how Gil talked with Sam before the season about wanting to come off the bench and how it would be best for the team but when it came around to really doing it, I dont know if he still felt that way.

Basically its just what I thought. Gil was saying that stuff just to be a good team guy but didnt think Flip was dumb enough to really do it, espically after he had been in the starting lineup all this time now and has had some big games. Atleast bench him for a star or a guy like Wall but you dont bench him for Hinrich.

He could play well out West but it still wont be what it couldve been if starting. If he gets 30 off the bench against the Suns, that is a game where he wouldve got 45 if he was starting but Flip will be too dumb to even realize that

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 4, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Javale is 10th amongst Cs, 2nd in Offensive boards."

Hmmm.. checking the NBA.com stats, they've got him as 24th overall in rebounding per game, tied with 3 other players. Am I misreading it? 4th in o-boards per game, however. Here's the link:

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Rebounds.jsp

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"lol, did you hear what Flip just said? He’s such a tool. He talked about how Gil talked with Sam before the season about wanting to come off the bench and how it would be best for the team but when it came around to really doing it, I dont know if he still felt that way."

Gil may be a professional goofball, but he's no dummy. Perhaps he anticipated problems sharing the ball with Wall. He figured he'd be more effective if he wasn't always playing alongside Wall and could relieve him sometimes, too.

I don't know if he was right. But anybody could see they were going to need major adjustments to play together.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If by January (1 month) I am not seeing a starting lineup of McGee, Blatche, Howard, Arenas, Wall I will be very upset!!

I will stop watching the team and I will start bombarding Ted's email with demands to fire Flip!

That's the lineup we must have! I will not make any judgements because we need to get healthy, get things worked out and cohesive, and get the young guys up to speed.

But I give it one more month and then I will make judgement! We should be clicking by then, if not we never will be with Flip! I wish we kept Eddie Jordan! I have no doubt we'd be a better team right now if he was still here. But I will give this mess 1 more month to get straight!

That is the starting lineup I want to see. Armstrong, N'Diaye, Yi, Seraphin, Thornton, Booker, Gee, Young, Martin, HINRICH off the bench!!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 4, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Oh I see, divi was just looking at centers, not the power forwards. Fair enough. Although it might not mean much, given that so many of the really good boards guys are not technically centers.

Thing that caught my eye is that Javale ranks 49th in defensive rebounds. Not necessarily a knock, but he's clearly better on the offensive boards. The good thing about that is he can help the Wiz get second shots. The unhappy part is that he's not nearly as good at taking the ball away from the other team.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

dlts2041

This team was constructed to fail.

Grunfeld drafted a PG with the no. 1 overall pick. He already had the highest paid PG in the league on his roster. He traded for yet another expensive PG who is really a backup at this point in his career.

That's just too much money tied up on one position when there were so many other holes to fill on this team. Now Flip is coming up with creative yet misguided ways to get them all lots of playing time or on the court together.

This team is a hot mess.


Posted by: bobabuie | December 4, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"It's also clear that 'JWow' is sort of a dumb moniker, but does that stop you from using it? No way.

Sometimes clarity isn't enough.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse "

I'm glad you find it dumb. You can relate to it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"yeah, it's a pretty poor rotation but with NY injured options are limited. If we're going to constantly have 2-3 PGs on the floor, we're going to have to start getting Javale the ball in scoring position. 3 guys looking to setup Blatche is too limited

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse "

Flip Flop's plan was to start those 3 PG's anyway, and NY ain't a SF with Gilby as the SG.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"Good GM's aren't supposed to be in the lottery after being on the job for 7 years...unless he's made a lot of mistakes in the draft, signing free agents and trading for players.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 4, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse "

One of the few points on this thread that makes sense. Grunfeld (Dr. Suckenstein) needs to go.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse


Thing that caught my eye is that Javale ranks 49th in defensive rebounds. Not necessarily a knock, but he's clearly better on the offensive boards. The good thing about that is he can help the Wiz get second shots. The unhappy part is that he's not nearly as good at taking the ball away from the other team.

Posted by: Samson151

JaVale doesn't put his body on anyone to get those defensive rebounds. It amazes me that a guy who receives the same message 24/7 from his coaches about boxing out just flat out doesn't do it. He's content with just using his athleticism and length to be quicker to the ball than the opponent (works for offensive boards, not so much for defensive when the opposing bigs are fundamentally sound).

Posted by: bobabuie | December 4, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I'd be interested to see a Blatche for Cousins deal. Cousins would bring exactly the toughness inside this team needs, and he's played with Wall. We could move McGee to PF where his athleticism is better served. Imagine Wall, Arenas, Howard w/ McGee and Cousins. Yi also gives another option at replacing Blatche with a similar skill set. Cousins seems to not be a great fit for Sactown but he'd be perfect here. I think they'd like Blatche too and make that deal.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 4, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 4, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Am I really reading knocks on Grunfeld? Wow! It's nothing short of amazing what he's done to rebuild a team that was gutted of 3 starters, two of them all-stars, and a sub who got lots of minutes only last winter. Hinrich was a steal. Yi was a bargain. Wall was the right pick. McGee and Blatche were obtained with 18th and 49th picks respectively and they have a lot brighter future than Haywood and No-D Jamison, that's for sure. Until Seraphin and Booker get some minutes, there is no way to evaluate Grunfeld on those picks. It isn't possible to say that Young was a good or bad pick until we find out if the way he was playing before his injury was real or not.

If there's a management problem, it's surely Saunders, not Grunfeld. And, since the team is showing some signs of improvement on defense and on the boards, I'm not ready to get down on Flip either. Oh ye of little memories -- BAD management is drafting Kwame Brown, trading for the ghost of Mitch Richmond, signing one retread after another over decades in an attempt to make the last spot in the playoffs. Starting from scratch with young players was the right move and lest you think it forfeited all chance at the playoffs, notice that right now the Zaqrds are 1.5 games out of 8th place and they still haven't had help from Howard yet and Seraphin and Booker still haven't had a chance to contribute.

Let's cheer for this inexperienced, talented, aggressive (and yes, often stupid) team that Ernie has put together with the blessing of new owner Leonsis. This team is being built with winning it all some day down the road in mind, not just limping into 8th place and a first round 0-4 exit from the playoffs. Right now we are watching the growing pains of what could someday be a special team.

Posted by: dolph924 | December 4, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"Saunders said Hinrich is his best defensive player, that means Saunders is an idiot. Arenas, Young and Hinrich can jump the passing lanes and jab for balls off the dribble, they can not stop or guard someone shooting. Chenier said the same thing during the broadcast about Hinrich."

So now Phil Chenier and Flip are idiots about the NBA game? What does that make us?

Posted by: joe2chase | December 4, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Blatche for Cousins deal...

A Cousins/McGee rotation at center is something worth building on, and both players have had chemistry with Wall.

McGee can possibly make the move to PF where his lack of strength isnt as much of a downfall, his athleticism and shotblocking can be utilized!

We also have Yi to replace Blatche. Seraphin is potentially a PF of the future also.

This is a move I would be strongly pursuing. I think it's a good trade for both teams!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 4, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

If we dont make a move like that, in the draft I like that guy Zanna on Pitt! He looked real good vs Terps!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 4, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

And for the record the fact that Flip is starting Hinrich and Gee is in no way any surprise whatsoever to me!

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 4, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Javale is a mediocre defensive rebounder mostly because he takes himself out of position as a shot-blocker. I've seen countless times this year where McGee does an excellent job of altering a shot/drive and forces a miss, but his man gets the easy putback because there isn't a body rotating over and helping out on the boards.

It's all part of team defense. Either the other spots around McGee need to perform better defensively so that he doesn't feel the need to take on every attempted shot or other players need to rotate in for McGee when he sacrifices position going for the block.

Of course, McGee isn't blameless either. He's much improved in picking his spots with block attempts, but he still has some clear room to grow there.

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

gil and wall CANT play together..when wall has the ball all he does is pick and roll to get to the rim while gil sits in the corner waitin for a pass..gil had 5 asst in the first 5 mins of play when he was at the point..wall is a 2 but everybody wanted too see gil gone they just gave him the point...but if im gil ill come off the bench and be the hero everynight because the starting 5 wont be scoring anytime soon

Posted by: MrNoOne | December 4, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

You tone-deaf haters are certifiably insane!

What rational, sober person would be blaming Ernest Grunfeld for the situation the Wizards are in?

Four of our five best players have been either out with injuries or recovering from a serious injury while continuing to play ALL SEASON!

I repeat:
Four of our five best players have been either out with injuries or recovering from a serious injury while continuing to play ALL SEASON!

On a young team desperately trying to build an identity and find cohesiveness, the injuries to our best players and Flip's inconsistent lineups are an almost certain death sentence.

Imagine for a minute how the Lakers would look if Kobe, Odom, Gasol and Fisher were missing significant time with injuries or in and out of the lineup. The Lakers would look like non-digested solids excreted from an equine animal. Hell, they went through a nice little slump WITH those guys healthy and in the lineup. 6-12 for the Wizards is proof positive that Ernest is the man!

Haters: Either take your anti-psychotic medications or have a loved one disable your computer.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 4, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

psps23 - Chenier did say he makes it difficult for shooters, and thats by stripping and jumping the passing lanes. Chenier will rarely criticize a player outright. My point is that a SG and SF takes Hinrich to the bank. Every night I marvel at some of his all-around talent. Then I am confounded with the constant barrage of points that are scored by the jump shooting players on the other team. We get burned for 72-73 points in the first half against Toronto. Boston lit us up like a Christmas tree, Orlando is shooting long two pointers and threes all night long. Every team has a field day with jump shooting. As I have said, off the dribble when he has a chance to get the strip he is very good, once the player is shooting he is below average. Martin, Gee are longer with more hops and would be a better choice on those jump shooters than an undersized point guard. If you doubt what I say, watch the next game where no one is playing defense, it will come, and watch the outside shooting against us. All you need to do is watch another 30 point blow out by the 3rd quarter to see the problems. Many guys have career nights against that weak defense, Portland game the exception, we played better defense with a taller lineup. Larry in Clinton was right in his post.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 4, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

On a young team desperately trying to build an identity and find cohesiveness, the injuries to our best players and Flip's inconsistent lineups are an almost certain death sentence.

I believe that a young team, injuries and inconsistent lineups kind of go hand in hand, thunk.

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Actually, inconsistent lineups, the product of young teams and injuries are also antecedent to the death sentence.

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Samson151 - It was not the Chenier remark that initiated my opinion. Just look at the games and see our defense lit up night after night. Hinrich plays big minutes and many of these points are against him, also Young and Arenas as well. It may be the player, it may be the system, regardless its happening. In the East you will not win with a three guard lineup and a soft playing PF. Blatche is the key to this team - good or bad. As a power forward you are expected to rebound, power the ball to the rim, pull the other big man away from the rim with some medium range jumpers, and play strong defense. Those are the primary duties. Blatche can do all of these things at a high level. On many nights he just chooses not to. When he chooses to do these thing the whole game the team chemistry changes. 3 guard sets become effective because McGee has help at the basket. With a longer lineup of a point guard, Gee, Martin, Blatche and McGee you have exceptional length and agility. Blatche can absolutely control most power forwards in this league and leave them frustrated. When he does not play defense and plays weak, almost any team can break us down. McGee can not guard one on fives all night. Blatche is a great talent, he needs to bring it every night, he did in Portland.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 4, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

So now Phil Chenier and Flip are idiots about the NBA game? What does that make us?

Idiot savants?

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Samson151

Enjoyed the string of sarcastic posts this morning:)

you're usually not that consistently scathing. Thought it was funny

Posted by: crs-one | December 4, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

joe2chase-Chenier did not say Hinrich was our best defensive player. He made a comment about how he pesters the offensive player. This has gotten silly. If everyone was playing to their potential, and a guy was shooting a jump shot, would you want Blatche, Gee, Martin, McGee, Armstrong, Booker, Wall, Young or Hinrich guarding him with 3 seconds on the clock. In every situation unless there is a stripped ball, which all of these guys can do, I would pick another player. Hinrich is great, but his outstretched arms are not very long. This is the type of situation with the shot clock running down that we face nightly.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 4, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Micheal.....what is this team's identity....I watch them every night but i don't see any consistent pattern of play that Flip is trying to established....Are they a defensive team,a fast break running team,a half court team.....so far it appears that they are only trying to figure out what to do with Wall and Arenas

Posted by: TIMOPTIC2004 | December 4, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"Thing that caught my eye is that Javale ranks 49th in defensive rebounds. Not necessarily a knock, but he's clearly better on the offensive boards. The good thing about that is he can help the Wiz get second shots. The unhappy part is that he's not nearly as good at taking the ball away from the other team.

Posted by: Samson151

JaVale doesn't put his body on anyone to get those defensive rebounds. It amazes me that a guy who receives the same message 24/7 from his coaches about boxing out just flat out doesn't do it. He's content with just using his athleticism and length to be quicker to the ball than the opponent (works for offensive boards, not so much for defensive when the opposing bigs are fundamentally sound).

Posted by: bobabuie | December 4, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse "

As I've said many times, JaTravel sucks on the defensive boards because he throws himself out of position all the time when he attempts to make the monster block. He needs to get the block and then the rebound...not block it into the stands for showmanship.

Sincerely, Les BouleS Prophet

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

So now Phil Chenier and Flip are idiots about the NBA game? What does that make us?
Posted by: joe2chase

Ah, Joe, Joe, you haven't been paying attention!

We are experts. We tell Leonsis what to do. How can Chenier and Saunders, mere employees, compete with us?

Posted by: nmik | December 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Melodius,

Your optimism is great and i always want to believe the Wiz are going to be a decent team. I always say NEXT YEAR they'll be ok. IF they were healthy. Always an excuse. We can't always blame injuries. Every team deals with them and can at least be respectable. The Wiz, for a team that's supposed to be young and hungry, just don't play to expectations. We find out they don't take practice or pregame shoot arounds seriously. EG has been here for a while and is yet to produce a team that can be taken seriously. I'm excited for the growth of our team but until they start waking up, there isn't going to be much growth.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | December 4, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Darnell1 - I agree that acquiring Cousins could be a long range solution to our big man void. I think Blatche may be too valuable to include in the package. Seraphin/Armstrong and a #1 low draft pick (it may be a lottery) may do the job because of all the antics Cousins is creating in Sacramento.

Sampson151 - Others are catching on to this possibility that you joked about last week. It may not work but it is a possibility worth looking into. My only fear is we look up and see Seraphin and he's playing in California like the next Karl Malone.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 4, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"You tone-deaf haters are certifiably insane!

What rational, sober person would be blaming Ernest Grunfeld for the situation the Wizards are in?

Four of our five best players have been either out with injuries or recovering from a serious injury while continuing to play ALL SEASON!

I repeat:
Four of our five best players have been either out with injuries or recovering from a serious injury while continuing to play ALL SEASON!

On a young team desperately trying to build an identity and find cohesiveness, the injuries to our best players and Flip's inconsistent lineups are an almost certain death sentence.

Imagine for a minute how the Lakers would look if Kobe, Odom, Gasol and Fisher were missing significant time with injuries or in and out of the lineup. The Lakers would look like non-digested solids excreted from an equine animal. Hell, they went through a nice little slump WITH those guys healthy and in the lineup. 6-12 for the Wizards is proof positive that Ernest is the man!

Haters: Either take your anti-psychotic medications or have a loved one disable your computer.

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 4, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse "

And what's your excuse for the players having no sense of urgency and no respect for Flip Flop that Flip Flop threw a hissy fit and stormed out of a practice? How about a few nights ago when they were trounced by the mediocre Raptors because of a total lack of effort?

People with weak excuses suck.

Sincerely, Les BouleS Prophet

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

midlevex_,

Flip's [questionable, inconsistent] lineups was what I intended.

With Flip, players can have a good game only to be pulled and never see the floor again or receive limited minutes for the rest of the game. Most coaches go with the hot hand in those situations and milk it for all it's worth but Flip appears to have a rigid game-plan and does not seem to react well to what unfolds in front of him. So you see, youth and injuries only partially explain Flip's lineups.

Flip's questionable (imho) selection of the players available to him, groupings of those players and the playing time given those players are also part of the equation.

Inherently, scattershot injuries will result in scattershot lineups, BUT one must make intelligent decisions before and during games with the remaining players. I'm not sure Flip does a good job with that.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 4, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Not sold on John Wall yet. Too many holes in his game (poor passer; shoots that stupid set shot instead of a proper jumpshot; average decision-maker). He is a scorer, not a passer. He's like a taller, stronger but MUCH less-skilled version of Allen Iverson. At least AI had a jumpshot... John Wall appears to be ACTING like the leader of this team, but his performance is too uneven to justify the "leadership" role bestowed upon him by Flip.

I just wish Flip would stop playing around and start Gil over Kirk. That way, John Wall and Gil can start to develop some chemistry.

Posted by: MEssex | December 4, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

DC_MAN88,

One man's "excuse" is another man's "reason".

I defy you to identify ONE NBA team that would have a winning record with the injuries and that the Wizards have endured to their best players.

On Flip and the players, I've already said that I think the players don't believe him and are growing weary of fighting the opposition AND Flip's bizarre strategies and lineups. They'll battle the opponent just fine but when you couple that with Flip's handcuffing the team and playing favorites and then never blaming himself for anything, it can wear on anyone. It makes no sense to start an unbalanced lineup that you know will result in an early deficit that saps the Wizards' confidence while giving their opponent a jolt of energy. None.

Don't forget: Every team in the league is going to have its share of clunkers. A team struggling with its confidence and identity and lacking faith in its coach is going to have more.

It's hard to imagine the Wizards having a better record all things considered.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 4, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Javale is 10th amongst Cs, 2nd in Offensive boards."

Well, I remember Haywood had similar ranking at one point couple of seasons ago. Basically, 10th among Cs isn't very high, and most of his rebounds came on offensive end, which includes all the tips. I do believe if McGee puts his mind into it, he can be better.

Posted by: sagaliba | December 4, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Melodius,

If you think the injuries to THORTON, Yi, and as of late an unproven Josh Howard are the reasons for our losing you are sadly mistaken. When those are our "best players" as you've put it then we are in serious trouble. I understand we're a young and rebuilding team but injuries can't be an excuse for this year.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | December 4, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure Flip does a good job with that.

If you're thinking that some master strategist could tweak this raw group into anything more than 30 wins I think you're mistaken. My guess is Flip is not the problem here.
Last season his stated plan was to try a more or less set lineup for ten games and then re-configure as required until something gelled. That seems a reasonable approach to me; last seasons early and continuing sequence of injuries and the subsequent locker room dramatics cast the season into irreversible turmoil. It's going to look very bad at times but I see this whole season as a shake down cruise, whether the coach is Flip or someone else.

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Wizbullets88,

Blatche (broken foot, weight gain, timing)
Arenas (ankle injury, weight gain, "issues")
Wall (foot, ankle, knee, shin, confidence, timing)
Thornton (various injuries, Flip)

Those are the players I'm referring to. Some might quibble with Thornton and that's okay, but before he got injured he was providing scoring, interior toughness (on offense and defense) and was rebounding. More than one analyst opined that Howard was far from a shoo-in starter when healthy with Thornton playing the way he was playing. He is one of our five best players, imho.

Howard was signed while injured so I don't factor him anything that is occurring now. It was known that he wouldn't be ready or fully in the swing of things until possibly 2011.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 4, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Samson151,

I don't think it will be a big problem that Gil and Wall play together. I still remember that when Gil and Hughes played together, both of them can penetrate and creates problem for the defense.

Do they need time for the adjustment? Definitely, I feel that Gil became a pure jump shooter when Wall is on the court. The problem is more of the mindset than their ability to mesh their skills.

Posted by: sagaliba | December 4, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"DC_MAN88,

One man's "excuse" is another man's "reason".

I defy you to identify ONE NBA team that would have a winning record with the injuries and that the Wizards have endured to their best players.

On Flip and the players, I've already said that I think the players don't believe him and are growing weary of fighting the opposition AND Flip's bizarre strategies and lineups. They'll battle the opponent just fine but when you couple that with Flip's handcuffing the team and playing favorites and then never blaming himself for anything, it can wear on anyone. It makes no sense to start an unbalanced lineup that you know will result in an early deficit that saps the Wizards' confidence while giving their opponent a jolt of energy. None.

Don't forget: Every team in the league is going to have its share of clunkers. A team struggling with its confidence and identity and lacking faith in its coach is going to have more.

It's hard to imagine the Wizards having a better record all things considered.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 4, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse "

Les BouleS couldn't win crap even when the big 3 were healthy.

Didn't Kobe win a ring last season even with a finger injury and knee?

Teams win because they have good focused players that stay healthy and a team of doctors and trainers that keep them operating like well oiled machine....not like debacle of a franchise like Les BouleS. Recall Les BouleS were leading the East a few years ago up until the All Star break when Gilby, even with a dislocated clavicle, participated in an all star game and shootout anyway. Steve Nash was hurt, but took off the all star game to heal up for the season. After those festivities, Gilby couldn't hit the side of a barn anymore and the team crashed and barely made the playoffs nearing an 8 seed.

Defy this:

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/09/kobe-bryant-feared-off-season-surgery-for-index-finger-would-entail-long-recovery-process.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If every one stays reasonably healthy and Howard returns close to form and Arenas and Wall find some way to play together, or maybe just rotate successfully, and a whole lot of other ifs come to pass, the last third of the season might find the Wiz more competitive but I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Flip has to be at least part of the problem. Besides the strange lineups and his love affair with Kirk and Wall, they are the only players who he constantly praises, he has had a surprising lack of control with the Wizards. Last years episode with Gil and Crittendon went on for some time until the situation got crazy. The clubhouse was divided. This year they have tuned him out according to reports. He has had to walk out of practice, way too early in the season. These are not signs of good coaching and team management. Now his players are not giving legitimate effort on the court. The owner says this is unacceptable. Who accepts responsibility here? Lineups, strategy, lack of discipline, cronyism, lack of effort, failure to know assignments. Either all the players are bad or there is another problem. Barney Rubble needs to go sooner rather than later.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 4, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

DC_MAN

I thought we finished with the 8th seed that year due to Arenas and Caron going down with injuries. It wasn;t because he couldn't hit his shots. Maybe you mistaked Antonio Daniels for "Gilby".

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | December 4, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse


"If you're thinking that some master strategist could tweak this raw group into anything more than 30 wins I think you're mistaken. My guess is Flip is not the problem here."

midlevex_,

Are you saying the players devised:
Flip's zone defenses? You know, a 3-2 zone that puts a 'WELCOME' mat in the paint against strong rebounding teams? A 2-3 zone that calls for our guards to go under screens all night long and leave great shooters wide open? A complicated 'pass-off' zone defense that ill fits a young team stocked with players in their first full season of getting big (or any) NBA minutes? A scheme in which three point guards are played at the same time while getting killed on the boards? Teams are running lay-up drills against the Wizards and that is not all on the players.

I thought the theme of this season was 'Back to the Basics'? There's not a lot that is fundamental when I look at some of Flip's strategies.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 4, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Besides the strange lineups and his love affair with Kirk and Wall...This year they have tuned him out according to reports.

Players who are tuning out a coach should quite reasonably expect to sit, that would help account for the strange lineups. Alternately, as far as Kirk and Wall, they may be tuning Flip in; coaches tend to respond to players with better attitude by playing them.

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse


"Teams win because they have good focused players that stay healthy and a team of doctors and trainers that keep them operating like well oiled machine....not like debacle of a franchise like Les BouleS."

DC_MAN88,

All the trainers in the world wouldn't have been able to keep, for example, Wall from crashing into Yi and badly brusing his knee, Arenas from getting an inflamed tendon, Blatche from breaking his foot, Wall from getting his foot stepped on, Wall from getting tackled and his shin bruised, etc. It's a physical game.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 4, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Not sold on John Wall yet. Too many holes in his game (poor passer; shoots that stupid set shot instead of a proper jumpshot; average decision-maker). He is a scorer, not a passer. He's like a taller, stronger but MUCH less-skilled version of Allen Iverson. At least AI had a jumpshot... John Wall appears to be ACTING like the leader of this team, but his performance is too uneven to justify the "leadership" role bestowed upon him by Flip."

Unfrickinbelievable. You get to draft the best PG prospect to come into the NBA since Chris Paul and Deron Williams and this guy wants to turn him into Andre Miller.

The Wiz have one, count'em, one player around which to build their future. And it ain't Gilbert, Javale, Andray, or Nick.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Ted steps

1. Trade Blatche for Cousins.

2. Change name to Bullets & return to red, white and blue!

3. Hire Mark Jackson.

4. Add a full time legit big man coach to work w/ Cousins, McGee & company.

5. I want Gil to stay and redeem here. But if things continue I would do Gil for VC trade for his sake, send him to contender & open our cap space. Go with NY (preferably) or Hinrich at SG.

6. Draft top tier SF in draft who can defend & score to replace Howard.

7. Move McGee to PF and or continue to groom Seraphin for the spot, & retain Yi, as well as Armstrong.

8. Keep developing Booker & Gee, keep Martin also.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 4, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that some people here think the big problem with the Wizzies is Flip.
Look at the talent ---- it's gonna be difficult to find. There is potential but that doesn't put points on the board consistently. The real bad news is there ain't no help on the way any time soon.
25 wins will equal a good year this year.

Posted by: VBFan | December 4, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying the players devised:
Flip's zone defenses?

No, I'm suggesting that with the given personnel, you can expect more or less the same results whatever alternatives or variations you or another coach care to concoct.

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

A three guard lineup, when your best and most experienced players are guards, is not an unreasonable approach, particularly when Howard is out until December and Thornton temporarily injured. As far as rebounding, I suspect that has more to do with the play of JM and AB.

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"On Flip and the players, I've already said that I think the players don't believe him and are growing weary of fighting the opposition AND Flip's bizarre strategies and lineups. They'll battle the opponent just fine but when you couple that with Flip's handcuffing the team and playing favorites and then never blaming himself for anything, it can wear on anyone. It makes no sense to start an unbalanced lineup that you know will result in an early deficit that saps the Wizards' confidence while giving their opponent a jolt of energy. None."

Are you sure you're watching the games? Try turning the ski mask around so the eyeholes face the front.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse


No, I'm suggesting that with the given personnel, you can expect more or less the same results whatever alternatives or variations you or another coach care to concoct.

I personally don't think any other NBA coach would start three 6'3" point guards or seemingly use every possible opportunity to play three point guards together, especially when the one designated as the small forward has such a slight build. Hinrich is not Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson. My two cents.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 4, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse


No, I'm suggesting that with the given personnel, you can expect more or less the same results whatever alternatives or variations you or another coach care to concoct.

I personally don't think any other NBA coach would start three 6'3" point guards or seemingly use every possible opportunity to play three point guards together, especially when the one designated as the small forward has such a slight build. Hinrich is not Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson. My two cents.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 4, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

your gonna open up cap to do what? wasnt arenas the last big free agent we had come here?nobody wants to play here..

Posted by: MrNoOne | December 4, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse


"Are you sure you're watching the games? Try turning the ski mask around so the eyeholes face the front."

Posted by: Samson151

Some things never change. The management apologist, Sampson, has his nose so far up Grunfeld and Saunders' butt, his nostril hairs have been permanently singed. You and Melodious are one and the same, so stop talking to your sock puppet.

Posted by: gtown85 | December 4, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I personally don't think any other NBA coach would start three 6'3" point guards or seemingly use every possible opportunity to play three point guards together, especially when the one designated as the small forward has such a slight build. Hinrich is not Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson. My two cents.
Perhaps you're right but again, given the Wiz personnel and injuries, you may be wrong about what other coaches would do and more certainly wrong, I think, about changing the ulitmate results of the Wizards 6 and 12 start with a lineup reconfig.

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Javale might be the best player on the team right now. He's the only defender on the floor with an elite skill, that is for sure, and imo if he was focusing on defensive boards more than altering shots our defense would be even worse. Maybe if Blatche gave enough effort every night and Flip didnt trot out 6'2" SFs, Javale wouldnt have to cover for everybody else but as of now he does imo

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Javale might be the best player on the team right now.
If true that at least would explain the 6-12 start.

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I personally don't think any other NBA coach would start three 6'3" point guards or seemingly use every possible opportunity to play three point guards together

Really a terrible lineup, horribly undersized and all 3 of them need the ball. What could be worse? Possibly last night's starting 5 which featured Blatche as the only legit scorer on the floor. 34points in the first half at home, just abysmal.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

It makes no sense to start an unbalanced lineup that you know will result in an early deficit that saps the Wizards' confidence while giving their opponent a jolt of energy"

---

Are you sure you're watching the games?

It would appear he is, the Wizards are 27th in the NBA in 1st quarter scoring.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Wiz are 30th in the nba in 2nd quarter scoring, also dead last in margin at halftime.

Yet 10th in the league for points in the 3rd Quarter and 6th for 4thQ....guess Flip makes good adjustments

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"A three guard lineup, when your best and most experienced players are guards, is not an unreasonable approach, particularly when Howard is out until December and Thornton temporarily injured. As far as rebounding, I suspect that has more to do with the play of JM and AB."

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 3:37 PM

A reasonable, logical analysis of the situation.

BEGONE, SIR! You have no place here!

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 4, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"A three guard lineup, when your best and most experienced players are guards, is not an unreasonable approach, particularly when Howard is out until December and Thornton temporarily injured. As far as rebounding, I suspect that has more to do with the play of JM and AB."

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 3:37 PM

A reasonable, logical analysis of the situation.

BEGONE, SIR! You have no place here!

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 4, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm loving the sudden Gee backlash movement. From presumptive savior to goat in record time.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 4, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I take the long view. I am all in favor of Ted's plan to rebuild the Wizards through the draft. The Wizards are acquiring talented young players and are developing them. I don't expect it to be a painless process.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | December 4, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

A three guard lineup, when your best and most experienced players are guards

I thought John Wall was a rookie?

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Most of the posters here won't be happy with any starting lineup that doesn't include Arenas and Nick Young, and that's not going to happen. I'm fine with last nights starters. Gee is not a scorer, but he won't be getting a starter's minutes, and he helps set the tone on D. And he's a good rebounder. Unfortunatley, he overplays the passing lanes which is becoming the teams m.o. They do need to become more disciplined about that. The test will be if this lineup works on the road, and I think that will depend on the team's ability to run it's offense through Andray for the first 6 minutes or so. Flip has tweaked the perimeter lineups as much as he can, it's time for Andray to step up or sit.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 4, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I thought John Wall was a rookie?
Bingo, #1 pick in the 2010 draft as I recall. Maybe I should have said best and/or most experienced,

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 4, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Przybilla looked pretty fit for a guy that hadn't played a game in almost a year because of injury. Just saying...

Posted by: djnnnou | December 4, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Most of the posters here won't be happy with any starting lineup that doesn't include Arenas and Nick Young

I would prefer Wall and Young start, but obviously Flip would drink bleach before he let that happen. With a Wall/KH backcourt, NY should get a shot at SF given there really isnt enough scoring in the starting unit otherwise. And given Gil will be coming off the bench, there's no need to "save" Nick's scoring for the 2nd unit.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"Unfrickinbelievable. You get to draft the best PG prospect to come into the NBA since Chris Paul and Deron Williams and this guy wants to turn him into Andre Miller.

The Wiz have one, count'em, one player around which to build their future. And it ain't Gilbert, Javale, Andray, or Nick."

@Samson151

"This guy" does not want to turn John Wall into Andre Miller. All I'm saying is that John Wall, though promising and full of potential, is too inefficient as a scorer to be dominating the ball the way he does. That's all I'm trying to say. Personally, I think John Wall should watch how Derrick Rose gets it done. Rose isn't really a "pure" (pass-first) PG, but he knows how to control the tempo and get his teammates involved. John Wall just looks like he's pressing a bit.

Trust me, I want John Wall to be successful in DC, and I think he will eventually develop into a dynamic player. Everything I have read about John Wall seems to suggest that he will be a great player. But right now, my eyes are telling me that Gil is the best player on the Wizards. I suppose Gil and John Wall just need more court time out there to develop more chemistry.

Flip could facilitate the Wizards' development by playing the best players at the same time, rather than playing favorites.


Posted by: MEssex | December 4, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

And given Gil will be coming off the bench, there's no need to "save" Nick's scoring for the 2nd unit. Posted by: divi3

Gil scored 15 points on 16 FGA last night. There's plenty of room on the bench for Gil and Young. And Young has finally found his niche, he's an undersized 3. Just be happy he won't have to get a passport for next year.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 4, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"This guy" does not want to turn John Wall into Andre Miller. All I'm saying is that John Wall, though promising and full of potential, is too inefficient as a scorer to be dominating the ball the way he does.

Don't worry about that, last night he played more SG than PG. Apparently this is KHs team now, and Gil's when he comes in. Both of them shut Wall out last night, maybe the 2 wily vets have had enough of deferring to the raw rookie.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz have one, count'em, one player around which to build their future. And it ain't Gilbert, Javale, Andray, or Nick.

Javale is 22yrs old and showing steady improvement, I wouldnt make any assumptions on the height of his ceiling (or lack thereof) just yet.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Apparently this is KHs team now, and Gil's when he comes in.

So that would make Kirk a 6'2 point forward?

Posted by: djnnnou | December 4, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"Javale is 22yrs old and showing steady improvement, I wouldnt make any assumptions on the height of his ceiling (or lack thereof) just yet.Posted by: divi3"

Who's assuming? He's played in 153 games, 50 starts, this year he's averaging 28+ minutes to date -- we should have a pretty good idea of his strengths and weaknesses. Some very nice strengths, some pronounced weaknesses.

Unless you're not actually watching the games, of course...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"Some things never change. The management apologist, Sampson, has his nose so far up Grunfeld and Saunders' butt, his nostril hairs have been permanently singed. You and Melodious are one and the same, so stop talking to your sock puppet.Posted by: gtown85"

Speaking of sock puppets...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Who's assuming? He's played in 153 games, 50 starts, this year he's averaging 28+ minutes to date -- we should have a pretty good idea of his strengths and weaknesses. Some very nice strengths, some pronounced weaknesses.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if 3yrs from today it was clear Javale is a more valuable player than Wall. Not saying that's what will happen, or is most likely, just that it wouldn't be surprising. Guess we can agree to disagree on that.


Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"DC_MAN

I thought we finished with the 8th seed that year due to Arenas and Caron going down with injuries. It wasn;t because he couldn't hit his shots. Maybe you mistaked Antonio Daniels for "Gilby".

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | December 4, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse "

Gilby played right after the all star for a few games. Then, a doctored discovered that he had a dislocated clavicle, which according to Gilby, the doctor reset. To that, Gilby declard "I'm back!" From then on, he couldn't hit the side of a barn, and then was out the final 10 games of the season as he called it quits.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"All the trainers in the world wouldn't have been able to keep, for example, Wall from crashing into Yi and badly brusing his knee, Arenas from getting an inflamed tendon, Blatche from breaking his foot, Wall from getting his foot stepped on, Wall from getting tackled and his shin bruised, etc. It's a physical game.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 4, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse "

Did you just awaken from your drunken slumber, Sleeping Beauty? If the doctors and training staff, coupled with Gilby's compliance with their recommendations/rules, were able to treat his leg injury properly and he was able to follow the rehab rules instead of biking around town, running behind a parachute, or playing stupid pickup games on hardtop, then Gilby probably wouldn't have been out for most of 2-3 seasons.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Blatche is a cancer. playing one game out of ten on defense is unacceptable. He can't jump, constantly loafs, turns it over too much, plays too far away from the basket! Trade that sorry s.o.b. Ted!!! You can't coach character.

Posted by: jreed63 | December 4, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"Javale might be the best player on the team right now. He's the only defender on the floor with an elite skill, that is for sure, and imo if he was focusing on defensive boards more than altering shots our defense would be even worse. Maybe if Blatche gave enough effort every night and Flip didnt trot out 6'2" SFs, Javale wouldnt have to cover for everybody else but as of now he does imoPosted by: divi3"

LOL on the other hand, we might get a few more defensive boards. That would be nice.

I wonder if we're not expecting too much from Javale. A wonderful athlete, if unskilled, but do we really believe he's a low-post player? Or is he the sort who needs to roam farther from the basket? Maybe if he had a reliable jumper, he'd be doing that already. What if he played next to a reliable 5, somebody who could anchor the middle?

Jim O'Brien: "[Players] think the post is just outside the lane; we think it's two or three feet inside it."

Javale's not the problem with our defense. But I doubt he's the solution either.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"Blatche is a cancer. playing one game out of ten on defense is unacceptable. He can't jump, constantly loafs, turns it over too much, plays too far away from the basket! Trade that sorry s.o.b. Ted!!! You can't coach character.Posted by: jreed63"

Wow -- yet another of last season's hopes has fallen.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Flip's [questionable, inconsistent] lineups was what I intended.

With Flip, players can have a good game only to be pulled and never see the floor again or receive limited minutes for the rest of the game. Most coaches go with the hot hand in those situations and milk it for all it's worth but Flip appears to have a rigid game-plan and does not seem to react well to what unfolds in front of him. So you see, youth and injuries only partially explain Flip's lineups.

Flip's questionable (imho) selection of the players available to him, groupings of those players and the playing time given those players are also part of the equation.

Inherently, scattershot injuries will result in scattershot lineups, BUT one must make intelligent decisions before and during games with the remaining players. I'm not sure Flip does a good job with that.

Posted by: melodious_thunk | December 4, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

You do realize that it was your idol (Grunfailed) that brought Flip in and gave him a guaranteed 4-year, $18 million contract.
Let me guess your counter argument. Flip wasn't brought in to coach this team, blah blah blah gibberish...

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 4, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

on the other hand, we might get a few more defensive boards. That would be nice.

JM is middle-of-the-pack for def rebs at the C position. The Wizards are 29th in the league for def rebs. Care to guess how we stack up to the league for def rebs at the 1-3 positions?

Of course Javale can and should get better at defensive boards, but we're next to last in the league because of our small lineups, not Javale.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 6:22 PM

Gilbert went against the doctor's recommendations and did his own thing with his rehab. Then, he lied to the training staff about what he was doing and lied about how his knee felt before going out on the court and trying to play. That's all on Gilbert, not the doctors and training staff.

Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii | December 4, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

"Thing that caught my eye is that Javale ranks 49th in defensive rebounds. Not necessarily a knock, but he's clearly better on the offensive boards. The good thing about that is he can help the Wiz get second shots. The unhappy part is that he's not nearly as good at taking the ball away from the other team.

Posted by: Samson151

JaVale doesn't put his body on anyone to get those defensive rebounds. It amazes me that a guy who receives the same message 24/7 from his coaches about boxing out just flat out doesn't do it. He's content with just using his athleticism and length to be quicker to the ball than the opponent (works for offensive boards, not so much for defensive when the opposing bigs are fundamentally sound).

Posted by: bobabuie | December 4, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse "

As I've said many times, JaTravel sucks on the defensive boards because he throws himself out of position all the time when he attempts to make the monster block. He needs to get the block and then the rebound...not block it into the stands for showmanship.

Sincerely, Les BouleS Prophet

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 1:27 PM |

Have you three blokes ever considered the fact that Javale McGee plays behind help/switching matador defensive teammates and is never in position to rebound defensively because he is always helping.

If he had four guys in front of him that would just maintain consistent pressure on their man, then he could concentrate on his man and positioning to rebound.

Did that ever cross you blokes' mind.

That would make a huge difference in his defensive rebounding.

Of course, if Flip Saunders hasn't figured that out, I guess you three get a pass.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 4, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"Javale might be the best player on the team right now. He's the only defender on the floor with an elite skill, that is for sure, and imo if he was focusing on defensive boards more than altering shots our defense would be even worse. Maybe if Blatche gave enough effort every night and Flip didnt trot out 6'2" SFs, Javale wouldnt have to cover for everybody else but as of now he does imoPosted by: divi3"

LOL on the other hand, we might get a few more defensive boards. That would be nice.

I wonder if we're not expecting too much from Javale. A wonderful athlete, if unskilled, but do we really believe he's a low-post player? Or is he the sort who needs to roam farther from the basket? Maybe if he had a reliable jumper, he'd be doing that already. What if he played next to a reliable 5, somebody who could anchor the middle?

Jim O'Brien: "[Players] think the post is just outside the lane; we think it's two or three feet inside it."

Javale's not the problem with our defense. But I doubt he's the solution either.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 6:27 PM


Samson,

If he wasn't altering those shots then there would be no reason for defensive rebounding because they would be points. Blatche and the other bigs who play alongside Javale need to be held accountable for those rebounds when he decides to alter a shot.
Also, I think he is the answer for our middle and no he shouldn't be far from the rim. He continues to get offensive boards and put backs. A jumper would be nice on any big man but i'll trust that he'll continue to improve and be our 5. He's only in his third year and is the best big man we've seen in a LONG time. Already an improvement over Haywood. Although it would be nice to have Haywood too.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | December 4, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I been trying to tell y'all nick is outer here 12/16/10, love the wizards fans but it's time to go, y'all got gee,kirk, howard, and martin. Nick want's to be a starter in this league, but no matter how good he plays Flip will never start him. THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES.

Posted by: maejude | December 4, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

but do we really believe he's a low-post player?

Why does he have to be? He's scoring 10pts/night and shooting 60% with zero plays runs for him. Flip has said once he's satisfied that JM has established a certain baseline for defense and rebounding, he'll start getting more touches. In other words, it's coming. He'll start getting his chance to score more and we'll see what happens.

I wonder if we're not expecting too much from Javale

I'm glad you're not the coach. There's no reason to lower the bar on a physically gifted 22yr old 7ft'er who appears to be coachable and has already shown marked improvement.

Noah is now a 15/12 guy. When he was Javale's age, 6/7.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"Javale is 22yrs old and showing steady improvement, I wouldnt make any assumptions on the height of his ceiling (or lack thereof) just yet."

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 5:50 PM

So making any judgments about McGee's potential after 2+ seasons of watching him play is somehow reckless and premature, but you making judgments about Seraphin's potential, months before his rookie season even started, based on some pre-draft internet ratings and a few minutes of blurry footage on YouTube somehow constitutes reasoned, measured evaluation?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 4, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

How come states that vote democrat typically have a wider income gap between the rich and the poor than states that vote republican?

Why are democrats trying to eliminate the middle class?

Why do democrats hate business owners who at the very least provide jobs or healthcare or etc. yet they love vain entertainers who only care about themselves?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 4, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"Noah is now a 15/12 guy. When he was Javale's age, 6/7."

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 7:00 PM

A meaningless standard of comparison the last several times you used it and continues to be so.

If two babies are born the same size and one grows up to be 7 feet tall, that doesn't mean the other one will. Just because two students get the same grade on their senior exams and one grows up to be president doesn't mean the other one will. Development and potential are individual traits unique to every individual. What Noah did or didn't do 2 or 3 years ago has jack-all to do with anything McGee can or will ever do.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 4, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm a voting democrat who has a family, a DOA townhouse, two cars, free healthcare, fancy clothes, all the newest and coolest technology(phones, tvs, steroesystems etc), and plenty of weed to smoke and sell for profit.

I have all this because the govt keeps sending me my welfare check and i don't pay taxes on the profit i make from selling drugs.

So why should I find a job?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 4, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The two baby and senior exam metaphor is not necessary. In sports it is reasonable to compare two player development based on their position. Noah is being looked at as one of the better big men in the league so why not compare our developing big to him? It's nice to see Javale developing at a speedy rate at such a young age. Apparently faster than Noah did at the same age. The future is bright for our interior.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | December 4, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

but you making judgments about Seraphin's potential...somehow constitutes reasoned, measured evaluation

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I'm not down on Seraphin, just think it's on defense where he'll really have a chance to shine and contribute at the beginning of his career.

Posted by: divi3 | July 29, 2010 3:55 PM

Yes, I would say that is reasoned and measured evaluation.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

If two babies are born the same size and one grows up to be 7 feet tall, that doesn't mean the other one will. Just because two students get the same grade on their senior exams and one grows up to be president doesn't mean the other one will.

Except that both these guys have already grown to be 7ft tall and both have already become Cs in the nba. So your analogies suck, it's perfectly reasonable to compare them.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

http://blog.afroconservative.com/2009/10/01/liberal-democrats-destroyed-black-america-who-wants-next.aspx

.......

In the wake of Derrion Albert's death, I find myself increasingly disillusioned by the current state of Black America. While African Americans comprise 13.5 percent of the population, 43 percent of all murder victims in 2007 were African America. Of the 43 percent who were murdered, 93.1 percent were killed by African Americans. Was it always like this? The answer is Unequivocally: NO. The disproportionate crime rates, illegitimacy rates, divorce rates, drugs abuse, and disproportionate incarceration rates didn't begin until liberals took over the Black Community in the 60s. Before liberals came and negated the influence of the Black father, over 80 percent of black children in 1960 were born in wedlock. In 1940 the illegitimacy rate amongst Blacks was 19 percent. Today, post the liberals monopoly in the poor urban areas, the illegitimacy rate is over 70 percent and almost 90 percent in the inner city. Surprisingly, between 1890 and 1940 Blacks had a marriage rate slightly higher than Whites. According toHerbert G. Gutman author of "The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom (1750-1925)"--for every 6 children under the age of under the of 6-5 of them lived in two parent households. In Harlem between 1905 and 1925, only 3 percent of all families were headed by a woman under 30. In this same time period, 85 percent of black children lived in two-parent families. The training ground for any human being begins in the home. The dynamics of the home environment can do two things: it can set the child up for failure or for success. When Patrick Moynihan, a Democrat began seeing the negative trends of entitlement programs regarding the Black Family in the 60s he wrote the "Moynihan Report". In the "Moynihan Report" he predicted that if the Black family continued to disintegrate, then there would be issues of delinquency, crime, disproportional educational outcomes, and other social problems that come when a father isn't active in a child's life.

.......

Can anybody post a link that disproves this propaganda?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 4, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"I'm glad you're not the coach. There's no reason to lower the bar on a physically gifted 22yr old 7ft'er who appears to be coachable and has already shown marked improvement." posted by divi3

So far, looks like the only coach you'd be happy with is -- you.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Why are democrats pro-abortion?
Murder is wrong, therefor illegal
Stealing is wrong, therefor illegal
Rape is wrong, therefor illegal

Abortion is wrong, therefor legal? Or is abortion right? Liberals seem to think so.

If everybody were pro-thievery wouldn't stealing be legal? But no decent human being is pro-thievery because stealing is wrong!

Republicans want abortion illegal because they think it is wrong.

Democrats want abortion legal because they think women should have a choice to do something wrong? or do they think abortion is right?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 4, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"Except that both these guys have already grown to be 7ft tall and both have already become Cs in the nba. So your analogies suck, it's perfectly reasonable to compare them.Posted by: divi3"

Actually, it isn't. Those two features (7' tall and play center in the NBA) aren't enough to draw conclusions about their respective futures. Many 7 footers fail to develop. Others actually regress after a good season or two.


Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Will we ever see another Republican President?

After watching Obama win by a landslide with more new democrats voting for the first time. If these same new voters continue their support, it's obvious America is overwhelmingly Democrat, how can the republicans ever win again?

Unless all the new voters were black and the only reason they voted was because Obama is black.

Posted by: Debaitor | December 4, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Actually, it isn't. Those two features (7' tall and play center in the NBA) aren't enough to draw conclusions about their respective futures.

I said it's perfectly reasonable to draw comparisons.

Posted by: divi3 | December 4, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, I say the WIZZIES win 38 this season. 37 at home, and one on the road.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 4, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Javale McGee plays behind help/switching matador defensive teammates and is never in position to rebound defensively because he is always helping.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Since McGee himself said that if he went for more rebounds his blocking would suffer, I'll hypothesize that's the primary reason: desire for the highlight shot block.

Posted by: nmik | December 4, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse


Since McGee himself said that if he went for more rebounds his blocking would suffer, I'll hypothesize that's the primary reason: desire for the highlight shot block.

Posted by: nmik | December 4, 2010 8:12 PM

Faulty logic. McGee never said anything about a highlight shot block. You did.

Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii | December 4, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Can anybody post a link that disproves this propaganda?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 4, 2010 7:33 PM

As of this moment I can't, but I am sure with research there is a refutable argument just as persuasive as the one you've just posted.

There must be something in your craw to post something like this out of the blue on this site.

I grew up in the 60's in a two parent household and the single most thing that stood out that changed teenage behavior in my neigborhood was the introduction of maryjane. The second biggest thing that impacted the inner cities across America was the influx of drugs that we now know was an integral part of Iran-Contra, a Republican Administration.

Drugs IMO has been a huger factor in inner city/urban family values than the fact of a liberal or conservative idealogical mantra.

This is not to say that drugs is a sole reason for the degredation of the black family values you site, but only that they are a greater reason than the reason you cite.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 4, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

McGee is a 7foot with no post up moves..hes always late..atleast 10 times a game he will try to block a shot and keep running down the court when the other team is still tipping the ball in...it seems like he would rather have fast break highlight dunks..then stay and help rebound..hes a 4 man in the nba..every big man weve played so far has out worked us..Mcgee is 5 years away from being a nba player

Posted by: MrNoOne | December 4, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"I said it's perfectly reasonable to draw comparisons.Posted by: divi3"

Actually, here's what you said:

"I'm glad you're not the coach. There's no reason to lower the bar on a physically gifted 22yr old 7ft'er who appears to be coachable and has already shown marked improvement.Noah is now a 15/12 guy. When he was Javale's age, 6/7."Posted by: divi3

If your point is that some centers improve that much, then sure. If the inference is that we can expect that same improvement from Javale, then no. Fact remains that most 7 foot centers in the NBA don't improve that much.

You know what Javale's best chance mnight be? John Wall. He can hopefully do for McGee what Derrick Rose did for Noah.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"Can anybody post a link that disproves this propaganda?Posted by: Debaitor"

Larry -- don't feed the troll. It just makes them hungrier.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

"Since McGee himself said that if he went for more rebounds his blocking would suffer, I'll hypothesize that's the primary reason: desire for the highlight shot block.
Posted by: nmik | December 4, 2010 8:12 PM
"Faulty logic. McGee never said anything about a highlight shot block. You did."
Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii"

It's not faulty logic. He said it was a hypothesis. You're free to disprove it.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

McGee is a 7foot with no post up moves..hes always late..atleast 10 times a game he will try to block a shot and keep running down the court when the other team is still tipping the ball in...it seems like he would rather have fast break highlight dunks..then stay and help rebound..hes a 4 man in the nba..every big man weve played so far has out worked us..Mcgee is 5 years away from being a nba player

Posted by: MrNoOne | December 4, 2010 8:34 PM

McGee...is...5...years...away...from...being...a...nba...player... ??? What is this??? MrNoOne. Ahh! I guess that name is emblematic of the post as well.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 4, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I grew up in the 60's in a two parent household and the single most thing that stood out that changed teenage behavior in my neigborhood was the introduction of maryjane.

LarryInClintonMD.

It happened in the suburbs too...where white republicans live.

I've been smokin for over 36 years and know a lot of responsible family oriented people who have been smoking longer then I have...

Just ask Samson151 or kalo_rama they'll tell you I am one of the most sensible posters on this site

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 4, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not, the Wizards most effective backcourt at this point is Hinrich + Arenas. Wall's 2 years out of high school and hasn't learned to play at the NBA level yet. With the game on the line Hinrich and Arenas should be at the controls.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 4, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I've been smokin for over 36 years and know a lot of responsible family oriented people who have been smoking longer then I have...

Sorry forgot the...

it hasnt affected me at all

Just ask Samson151 or kalo_rama they'll tell you I am one of the most sensible posters on this site

Just got done doing a few B's of some killer chronic...CA has some great medical MJ.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 4, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"Blatche is a cancer. playing one game out of ten on defense is unacceptable. He can't jump, constantly loafs, turns it over too much, plays too far away from the basket! Trade that sorry s.o.b. Ted!!! You can't coach character.

Posted by: jreed63 | December 4, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse "

What you're saying about AB applies to Gilby also.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Except Gil is a gym rat who can flat out win games. DC_MAN, if you have any sense, you know there is no comparison between Blatche n Gil.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | December 4, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

"Gilbert went against the doctor's recommendations and did his own thing with his rehab. Then, he lied to the training staff about what he was doing and lied about how his knee felt before going out on the court and trying to play. That's all on Gilbert, not the doctors and training staff.

Posted by: roscoepcalhounbrownjriii | December 4, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse "

Gilby did all that and then blamed the team and the medical staff. Given that, the doctors supposedly goofed up on one of their evaluations also. I think at one time, they said his knee was structurally sound, but then had to perform some more work. The training staff shouldn't have allowed him to do what he did. Recall also that Gilby complained that his knee felt weak, so he dumped the training staff and went straight to Grover for his rehab.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

"Have you three blokes ever considered the fact that Javale McGee plays behind help/switching matador defensive teammates and is never in position to rebound defensively because he is always helping.

If he had four guys in front of him that would just maintain consistent pressure on their man, then he could concentrate on his man and positioning to rebound.

Did that ever cross you blokes' mind.

That would make a huge difference in his defensive rebounding.

Of course, if Flip Saunders hasn't figured that out, I guess you three get a pass.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 4, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse "

Did you just finish up a dinner at Outback steakhouse in PG County or something? Or, are you an Australian black dude?

Do yourself a favor and watch some games and you'll see how JaTravel jumps himself out of rebounding position when going for the monster block against almost every shot.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 4, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Did you just finish up a dinner at Outback steakhouse in PG County or something? Or, are you an Australian black dude?

DC_MAN88, LMAF.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 4, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"but do we really believe he's a low-post player?
"Why does he have to be?"

Well, he doesn't of course. That was my point. He might well be more effective if he wasn't playing center.

In that respect, I'd compare McGee to Andrea Bargnani. Here's another 'true' seven-footer (as opposed to 'listed') who nonetheless struggles holding position in the low post. Unlike Javale, Bargnani has an outside shot he can rely on. The solution for Toronto seems obvious: find someone else to play down low and move Andrea a little farther out.

That could help McGee as well. He's not yet an offensive force, but on defense, it might allow him to roam around and block shots, which seems to be his preference.

Just IMO, but it's still a donut team. When the interior defense stiffens, we'll see fewer blowouts.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 5, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Do yourself a favor and watch some games and you'll see how JaTravel jumps himself out of rebounding position when going for the monster block against almost every shot.

Posted by DC_MAN88

What do you call jumping out of rebounding position? McGee, constantly goes out and contest shots because Blatche and some of the guards are unable to contain their men. How many times do you see an offensive player who brings the ball in the painted area and challenge McGee? He has two options, go out and contest shots or give up open looks and stay to protect the basket. Andray Blatche is the weak link on the defensive boards.

Posted by: spades72 | December 5, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

82games paints a statistical picture of a team getting crushed at SG/PF while holding its own at PG/C. Blatche's numbers appear to be as empty as people have been saying, and Gil/KH are not suited to play SG but perform well at PG judging from the metrics. Wall, JM, NY are the only players on the team who have outproduced their opposing counterparts this season. IMO, Javale is the least of the team's worries right now though obviously he needs to keep improving.

Posted by: divi3 | December 5, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Thing that caught my eye is that Javale ranks 49th in defensive rebounds. Not necessarily a knock, but he's clearly better on the offensive boards. The good thing about that is he can help the Wiz get second shots. The unhappy part is that he's not nearly as good at taking the ball away from the other team.

Posted by: Samson151

Who among the 48 players ahead of McGee in defensive rebounding has the most blocked shots? What is the team defensive ranking?

Posted by: spades72 | December 5, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"What do you call jumping out of rebounding position? McGee, constantly goes out and contest shots because Blatche and some of the guards are unable to contain their men. How many times do you see an offensive player who brings the ball in the painted area and challenge McGee? He has two options, go out and contest shots or give up open looks and stay to protect the basket. Andray Blatche is the weak link on the defensive boards.

Posted by: spades72 | December 5, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse "

A shot blocker will generally alter more shots than he'll actually block. There is absolutely no need for JaTravel to try to block a ball into the stands every time, for showmanship. Gilby is notorious for letting his man blow by him.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 5, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"I've been smokin for over 36 years and know a lot of responsible family oriented people who have been smoking longer then I have...

Sorry forgot the...

it hasnt affected me at all

Just ask Samson151 or kalo_rama they'll tell you I am one of the most sensible posters on this site

Just got done doing a few B's of some killer chronic...CA has some great medical MJ.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 4, 2010 9:43 PM"

Yeah, since you can't actually watch any Wizards games (by your own admission) in San Diego but comment on them constantly anyway, smokin' all that grass must be how you keep in touch with the team.

Posted by: KTV1 | December 5, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I think the Wizards did well in filling the end of their bench.

Alonzo Gee was a good pickup by the Wiz. He was Rookie of the Year in the NBDL.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/rookie_100417.html

Cartier Martin was on the 2009 NBDL All-Star team, although he did not play because he had already been called up by the Bobcats.

I like both of them. I don't know if either will stick with the team, but I'm glad the Wizards are giving them an opportunity.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | December 5, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

A shot blocker will generally alter more shots than he'll actually block. There is absolutely no need for JaTravel to try to block a ball into the stands every time, for showmanship. Gilby is notorious for letting his man blow by him.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

But your contention was that Mcgee jumps out of rebounding position by going out to block shots. If he is running at open shooters all the time of course, it's unlikely he is going to get the defensive rebound. If he stays and protect the basket then he gets critized for not rotating. The question should be, where is Blatche and others when McGee goes out to contest shots?

Posted by: spades72 | December 5, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I like both of them. I don't know if either will stick with the team, but I'm glad the Wizards are giving them an opportunity. Posted by: PostSubscriber

Me too. I like Gee in the beginning of games, and Martin in the second half. When(If) Josh Howard returns they will probably be expendable, but until then they're of value. Martin could become more important as Nick Young's production drops off. Bullets Forever had a post last week, Is Nick Young's improved production sustainable?, which gives a good analysis of Young's game so far:

You really could argue that Young's improved play is due to a huge spike in his percentage on 10-15-foot jumpers (66.7% this year, when his previous career high was 43 percent) and 16-23 foot jumpers (56 percent, compared to 41 percent last year). Those percentages, to be frank, have no chance of sustaining themselves going forward.

If Young becomes more streaky, there will be a bigger role for a spot-up shooter like Martin.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 5, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The key to allowing the rest of the offense to function fully is having at least the threat of an interior presence, and Chandler’s impressive hands, athleticism and body control have turned the Kidd-Chandler pick-and-roll into a staple of opposing teams’ scouting reports. Chandler may only have the opportunity to throw down an oop or two per game, but opponents are increasingly wary of the mere possibility whenever Kidd has the ball in his hands, a consideration which gives Nowitzki, Terry, Butler and Marion room to operate. NY Times

For Wizard fans this is a good year to keep up with the Mavs. Not because of last year's trade, but to see how Kidd and Chandler function. The Mavs also play a lot of zone.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Who among the 48 players ahead of McGee in defensive rebounding has the most blocked shots? What is the team defensive ranking? Posted by: spades72"

Well, defensive 'ranking' depends on which stat you're looking at. The most important stat is probably point differential per game, and there we're currently at -7.17, or 28th, ahead of Sacramento and Cleveland, and behind Detroit and Minnesota. In so-called' defensive' stats: the NBA has us listed at 27th, but that doesn't mean much. Broken down, our rebounding differential is -4.11; blocks per game, we're up +1.56 on the opposition; in steals, +1.44. So in some areas of defensive play the team is performing well; in others, not so much.

It's helpful to compare '10-11 to date with the full season stats for '09-10. In 2009, the Wiz averaged 96.2 ppg and gave up 101. So far this season, looks like we're averaging 97.4 and our opponents average 104.6. That's a jump of around 3.6 points for the other guys over last season. The extra 1.2 we're scoring on offense doesn't make up for it.

Of course, the season is young, and the numbers tend to normalize as the games mount. For instance, we're grabbing an average of 2.7 fewer defensive boards than we did last year; that may rectify itself over the course of a season.

As far as Javale, I'm not sure what the point of your question is. As far as who among those ahead of McGee in d-baords has the most blocked shots -- that would probably Howard or Bogut. They're among the NBA's top five in blocks. Darko is actually averaging more blocks than Javale, but I'm not sure how he stacks up in rebounds.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 5, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

John Wall is a star in the making let hin get his rythym back please blatche is a beast he just has get his rythym back to he is gettin over his last 5 including tonight he is 36 for 72 50% he is getting there we have a good point guard power foward tandem pick and roll for years they work well together javale is never going to be a 20 point scorer dont need him to just a double double guy 12 to 14 points a game 10 rebounds 1 assits .9 steals 2.5 blocks is what we need young are spark off the bench yi too we got a good team. starting three 1st year starters wall dray and javale our big three they young will grow together but flip mighnt need to go bad coach.dray you a beast but gotta rebound like you did when you became a starter juat go hard and he's not getting traded big part of the future also we get some bad calls against other teams too

Posted by: davisjustin1428 | December 6, 2010 4:11 AM | Report abuse

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