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Posted at 1:17 PM ET, 12/29/2010

Wizards shopping Andray Blatche, but not JaVale McGee

By Michael Lee

The Wizards have already made one huge trade this season, sending former face of the franchise Gilbert Arenas to Orlando in exchange for Rashard Lewis. But they might not be done dealing.

According to two Western Conference executives, the Wizards are gauging interest in Andray Blatche to determine if trading the skilled 6-foot-11 forward is best for the organization moving forward. Blatche leads the Wizards in scoring (16.8 points) and is second in rebounding (7.9). The trade deadline is Feb. 24.

Blatche was involved in an altercation last week with teammate JaVale McGee outside of an area club. Blatche and McGee both received one-game suspensions and later apologized for the incident.

The executives said McGee is "not yet" on the market, despite reports to the contrary. McGee, a third-year center who participated in Team USA tryouts last summer, is averaging career highs of 9 points, 8.3 rebounds and 2.5 blocks. But he is still playing on his rookie contract, which pays him $1.6 million this season and would limit what he could bring back in return.

"JaVale seems very not available," one of the executives said.

Blatche signed a three-year extension before training camp that will pay him $28 million between now and the 2014-15 season. He broke his foot last summer and arrived in camp carrying some extra weight because of his limited mobility while rehabbing.

After returning from his suspension on Monday to score 17 points with 14 rebounds against Houston, Blatche said, "I feel I let my team down by getting suspended. It killed me. That's why I'm going to do my best not to let that happen again."

Blatche has been suspended twice this calendar year. He was suspended for one game last season after getting belligerent with the coaches and trainers during and after a game. He also got into a dispute with Coach Flip Saunders last March, when he failed to re-enter a game.

The 6-10 Lewis played power forward in Orlando and is currently starting at small forward for the Wizards (7-22), who have lost three games in a row.

By Michael Lee  | December 29, 2010; 1:17 PM ET
Categories:  Andray Blatche, JaVale McGee  
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Comments

What did EG not know about Blatche this summer that he does know now? He's seen the guy probably 200 days a year since Blatche was 18 years old, EG really looks like a fool trying to trade him now after just signing him to the extension.

Posted by: divi3 | December 29, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

When Blatche is on, he's very good. When he's off, he's very bad. If here were to bear down every game, he could be a cornerstone for this franchise for years to come. But if he continues being a headcase, I'm all for shipping him out -- especially if we get a good piece (and maybe a draft pick) in return.

Phoenix may be willing to part with Pietrus and Gortat. Those would be good pieces on this squad.

Posted by: zinger1 | December 29, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Good time to get AB outta here! Never mind the off court stuff, when he is on the court he is too soft. Always settling for that fade away jumper and dribbling the ball way to much. Go be a power forward and play down low. Take the ball to the rim!!!!

Posted by: rdskns1975 | December 29, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

the only hope for getting anything decent for AB is that some GM/Coach believes the Wizards are so atrociously dysfunctional that the organization is the reason for his struggles. And even then, most GMs have to be thinking the Wizards are in a position where they have to basically give him away.

Posted by: divi3 | December 29, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Good time to get AB outta here! Never mind the off court stuff, when he is on the court he is too soft. Always settling for that fade away jumper and dribbling the ball way to much. Go be a power forward and play down low. Take the ball to the rim!!!!

Posted by: rdskns1975 | December 29, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Utah only gave up Kosta Koufos and two first round picks for Al Jefferson. Hard to see anything good coming back for Blatche.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 29, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"the only hope for getting anything decent for AB is that some GM/Coach believes the Wizards are so atrociously dysfunctional that the organization is the reason for his struggles. And even then, most GMs have to be thinking the Wizards are in a position where they have to basically give him away.

Posted by: divi3 | December 29, 2010 1:50 PM"

No problem then The Wizards ARE atrociously dysfunctional. Shipping Blatche out to bring Lewis in as part of a "rebuilding" youth movement? Typical Grunfeld thinking. Leonsis needs to stop letting the guy who built this team blow it up.

Posted by: KTV1 | December 29, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

No problem then The Wizards ARE atrociously dysfunctional. Shipping Blatche out to bring Lewis in as part of a "rebuilding" youth movement? Typical Grunfeld thinking. Leonsis needs to stop letting the guy who built this team blow it up.

Posted by: KTV1 | December 29, 2010 2:00 PM

More like throwing away the garabage. What possible reason would they want to Keep Blatche for? Sure he is still relatively young and tall. But other than those two assets there is nothing positive about his game. People will go oh he had 17 pts and 14 reb the other day. BUT that does no good when you have 6 turnover and are average 3 per game, play zero defense and have a crap attitude.

This is not fantasy basketball or NBA live, basketball is much more than the number you are able to produce.

Get rid of him and let the younger two number one picks from this past draft play. What are they going to lose 60 games instead of 55?

Posted by: dcinmd1 | December 29, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Shipping Blatche out and bringing in Lewis are two separate issues, each of which has nothing to do with going young. Blatche, while young simply doesn't know how to play. He could be a very good player in the right circumstance with a coach, veterans and organization that make him play the right way, or not play at all.

I don't think you get much for him though. Any team with a quality organization and coach isn't looking for a guy they need to motivate and/or don't have anything worth much they'd give up for him. Add in the fact that he resists coaching, can't stay out of the club and gets himself suspended for being an azz and the prospects aren't very exciting for what would return.Good luck with that....

Posted by: unkonchus | December 29, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

KTV1,

Maybe Ernie will trade Andray Blatche for Vladimir Radmanovic he's 30...

That goes right with the youth monement Ted talked about when he took over the ownership.

Ernie has a great record in finding guys from overseas.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, if they gift-wrap BLATCHE for nothing, I say off with GRUNFELD's head.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Ernie's trying to ship out another one of his mistakes and some people on here defend his draft picks over the last 7 years...

What makes this whole thing insane is Ted is letting the same guy who made all of the mistakes try to fix them?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

sorry they're "not yet" thinking of unloading both. both have potential, continue to have potential.

neither seems to be fulfilling that potential here. how long do we wait for a light bulb to switch on?

Posted by: MinuMang | December 29, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"Utah only gave up Kosta Koufos and two first round picks for Al Jefferson. Hard to see anything good coming back for Blatche."

Posted by: djnnnou | December 29, 2010 1:55 PM

That may not seem like much, but Minnesota got a ton of cap room in that deal. But yeah, no one is giving up real value for Blatche. If a deal does happen, it'll basically be a junkyard swap. That said though, getting a usable player and a 1st round pick (even a late one) for a guy taken at #49 wouldn't be bad.

That extension looked like a dumb idea at the time and has only looked dumber as time has passed.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

i rather we get rid of flip and get a coach who can get the best out of the team

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

blatche will be good under the right coach. no one progresses under flip saunders!!

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I hope all this trade talk doesn't hurt Andray's all-star chances. He's on the ballot, right?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Wizards fan long enough to remember the Wizards trading away Sheed and CWebb for old guards, based purportedly on their bad attitudes. The result was that the Kings and Blazers/Pistons had sustained runs of excellence with outstanding big men, while the Wizards have never had a big man with Sheed or CWebb's offensive prowess. The lesson seems clear. Young men will do idiotic things, but you don't trade away 6'11 young big men with outstanding offensive games.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | December 29, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"blatche will be good under the right coach. no one progresses under flip saunders!!"

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 2:42 PM

And yet Blatche, McGee, and Young have shown more progress under Saunders than under any other coach they've had in the NBA.

Huh.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Signing Blatche to that contract was a brilliant move. His salary is below market value. Read my posts and I say Blatche has the talent, he just does not always come to play hard. Every player does not have to be young, Zach Randolph would be a great trade, Gortat could turn into a great piece. Any player who can play defense, grab rebounds and an occassional put back, block out, and score occassionally would work. Brendan Haywood, although technically a center would work here with Lewis and Yi being the step out PF. Haywood and McGee under the basket doing their respective things could work well. Give credit where credit is due, Blatche has the talent and we have him on a very good contract. His contract is not hard to deal like Arenas, Jamison, and others in the past.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 29, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

".... rather we get rid of flip and get a coach who can get the best out of the team...."

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I keep saying it over and over again. The new ownership is going to be loyal to the team's management, not the players. Accountability.....like the ALLEN-SHANAHAN's and SNYDER hook-up. LEONSIS is going to give the GM and coaching staff several years to get this mess straightened out. If a division title is not the result, they'll be ghosts in D.C. Until then, TL will stay the course he's set.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Signing Blatche to that contract was a brilliant move. His salary is below market value. Read my posts and I say Blatche has the talent, he just does not always come to play hard. Every player does not have to be young, Zach Randolph would be a great trade, Gortat could turn into a great piece. Any player who can play defense, grab rebounds and an occassional put back, block out, and score occassionally would work. Brendan Haywood, although technically a center would work here with Lewis and Yi being the step out PF. Haywood and McGee under the basket doing their respective things could work well. Give credit where credit is due, Blatche has the talent and we have him on a very good contract. His contract is not hard to deal like Arenas, Jamison, and others in the past.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 29, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

AB is a tall, trouble-making Doofus that needs to go. He's the last of the "Under achievers" from 2009. I don't care, trade him for two cute cheerleaders.

Posted by: bestowens | December 29, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Wizards fan long enough to remember the Wizards trading away Sheed and CWebb for old guards, based purportedly on their bad attitudes. The result was that the Kings and Blazers/Pistons had sustained runs of excellence with outstanding big men, while the Wizards have never had a big man with Sheed or CWebb's offensive prowess. The lesson seems clear. Young men will do idiotic things, but you don't trade away 6'11 young big men with outstanding offensive games.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | December 29, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Come on! There are no comparison from Blatche to Chris/Sheen. We all knew Chris/Sheen were great players and the Wiz made a dumb trade there. But Blatche??? He is good and will be a good role player - that's it! The dude can't jump, defend, nor is he taking good care of his body. I say trade him for a draft #1 pick in 2012 if not 2011.

Posted by: demonj21 | December 29, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Signing Blatche to that contract was a brilliant move. His salary is below market value. Read my posts and I say Blatche has the talent, he just does not always come to play hard. Every player does not have to be young, Zach Randolph would be a great trade, Gortat could turn into a great piece. Any player who can play defense, grab rebounds and an occassional put back, block out, and score occassionally would work. Brendan Haywood, although technically a center would work here with Lewis and Yi being the step out PF. Haywood and McGee under the basket doing their respective things could work well. Give credit where credit is due, Blatche has the talent and we have him on a very good contract. His contract is not hard to deal like Arenas, Jamison, and others in the past.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 29, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Signing Blatche to that contract was a brilliant move. His salary is below market value. Read my posts and I say Blatche has the talent, he just does not always come to play hard. Every player does not have to be young, Zach Randolph would be a great trade, Gortat could turn into a great piece. Any player who can play defense, grab rebounds and an occassional put back, block out, and score occassionally would work. Brendan Haywood, although technically a center would work here with Lewis and Yi being the step out PF. Haywood and McGee under the basket doing their respective things could work well. Give credit where credit is due, Blatche has the talent and we have him on a very good contract. His contract is not hard to deal like Arenas, Jamison, and others in the past.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 29, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

AB is a tall, trouble-making Doofus that needs to go. He's the last of the "Under achievers" from 2009. I don't care, trade him for two cute cheerleaders.

Posted by: bestowens | December 29, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If they can get a 1st Round pick, maybe a trade makes sense. Used properly, Dray can be successful, if he matures & grows out of being a head case. As of now, he should be coming off the bench, & would be for a better team.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 29, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Come on! There are no comparison from Blatche to Chris/Sheen. We all knew Chris/Sheen were great players and the Wiz made a dumb trade there. But Blatche??? He is good and will be a good role player - that's it! The dude can't jump, defend, nor is he taking good care of his body. I say trade him for a draft #1 pick in 2012 if not 2011.

Posted by: demonj21

You "knew" Sheed was a great player when the Wizards traded him away? How? He averaged 10.1 points and 4.7 boards in his only year in town, and he was known as a head case. Meanwhile, CWebb had just failed miserably to take the Wizards to the playoffs, and he was known around the league as a pot head. Columnists around town, such as Wilbon, hailed the Richmond trade.

We should wait until Blatche is healthy. We know he's capable of averaging 20 and 10. The defense will come with time. If we can get something more in return, of course we should trade him, but there's no reason to ship him out for nothing. We should be stockpiling young players with potential, not discarding them like yesterday's trash.

Besides, with Blatche gone, who will support DC's prostitution industry?

Posted by: Dellis2010 | December 29, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Blatche's salary may be below league average, but that's not the same as market value. Market value is determined by consumer interest, how much people are willing to pay for a similar product. Most consumers (in this case, GMs) aren't going to think $7.5 mil for 4 more years (which is what Blatche has left, after this season) is such a bargain for a low-impact, slow motor, lax work ethic, bad attitude, questionable character player who, at best, is likely a limited minutes backup on a good team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

This would be another good move. Blatche doesn't seem to take his job serious because if he did, he would've developed some low post moves by now.

Someone mentioned trying to get Gortat from Phoenix. I think that would be a superb trade. Whatever the case, Blatche has to go.

I like the way Mr. Leonsis is changing the culture of the team. He is shipping off the dead weight and bringning in guys who want to win.

Posted by: carterm1 | December 29, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

And I think we can forget about Gortat.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

As long as Grunfeld is at the helm, this team will continuously be in disarray. Why didn't he just trade Blatche to begin with instead of handing us that bull about how great of a player he is and how he will be part of the new rebuilding,yada,yada,yada. He has said the same thing for the last two season and at the beginnning of this one and guess what, the team stunk! This is just a breeding ground for untried players who cut their teeth here and reach their potential elsewhere. Let's see, last night Gil was 22 points,7 rebounds and 11 assists. When they trade Blatche, the same thing will happen. Hell, look at Butler and Stevenson for the Mav's.

Posted by: ivyleague | December 29, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't begrudge the money these guys make, but when you pay immature people over a million a year, they get a warped sense of the real world. Blatche is averaging over 9 million a year and getting belligerent with the coach? JaVale is making 1.6 mil and averaging a whole 9 points a game? These fools have no clue as to how fortunate they are to making that kind of dough playing ball. I have no sympathy for these and other silly athletes.

Posted by: jfoster13 | December 29, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't begrudge the money these guys make, but when you pay immature people over a million a year, they get a warped sense of the real world. Blatche is averaging over 9 million a year and getting belligerent with the coach? JaVale is making 1.6 mil and averaging a whole 9 points a game? These fools have no clue as to how fortunate they are to making that kind of dough playing ball. I have no sympathy for these and other silly athletes.

Posted by: jfoster13 | December 29, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Wizards fan long enough to remember the Wizards trading away Sheed and CWebb for old guards, based purportedly on their bad attitudes. The result was that the Kings and Blazers/Pistons had sustained runs of excellence with outstanding big men, while the Wizards have never had a big man with Sheed or CWebb's offensive prowess. The lesson seems clear. Young men will do idiotic things, but you don't trade away 6'11 young big men with outstanding offensive games.

Posted by: Dellis2010

There's no defending the C-Webb trade (although his time here is remarkably similar in many respects to Arenas's). The 'Sheed trade however, was not just about bad attitude, it was about having 3 guys who all played the same PF position, and who were all unwilling (at least Sheed and C-Webb) to play C. In addition, that Bullets team also needed a significant upgrade at the PG spot. Before his arrival, the Bullets were trotting out the likes of Brent Price, Robert Pack and Chris Whitney at PG.

So they moved 'Sheed for Strickland, who was 30 at the time. In his two healthy years here, he averaged 17 and 9 and 18 and 10, and the Wiz made the playoffs for the first time in a decade. Had they not traded Webber in a knee-jerk reaction, that team might have been able to be a playoff regular. So, while Sheed went on to have a great career, it wasn't a horrible trade for the Wiz. Certainly not akin to the C-Webb for a 33 year old Mitch Richmond and a 36 year old Otis Thorpe (although they could use someone like Thorpe now, even at 36).

The question with AB now is, is he right now what he is and always will be? Is he AJ, Al Harrington, Rashard Lewis, Charlie Villanueva, Troy Murphy etc, i.e. A perimeter-oriented, decent rebounding, no defense big, or do they think he will ever develop into a consistent inside presence, even at least on offense? Can he make the Pau Gasol-like transformation from sofite-big into solid all-around big (if not ever a true physical PF). If they think he's the former, putting him on the block doesn't do that much harm because those kinds of guys aren't that hard to find. If the reasonable expectation is that he will eventually develop into a consistent and efficient inside scorer, then they probably should hold on to him, because those kinds of guys are harder to find, and you live with them as much as you can, despite the headaches they may cause.

Posted by: ts35 | December 29, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

JaVale is making 1.6 mil and averaging a whole 9 points a game?

Rashard Lewis is making $22mill...does he need to average 180 points a game?

Money is not the issue...

Posted by: divi3 | December 29, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Never believed in Blatche, never will. You can't win with this guy. The guy does not have the ethics to be successful. He has not worked on his body, nor his game to truly be effective in the NBA. He's 6-11 and shoots 17-foot jumpers and reverse finger roll lay-ups. He has no post presence, no physicality and gets his chest caved in by anyone that plays a power game against him. On the defensive end he is just flat out lazy. He's physically gifted but he does not have the character to do what is necessary to be good at this level. he changed his number to 7 to represent he needs to work everyday after his mother told him he looked lazy on the floor.

If they can get a second round pick for him or just a bench player, I say trade him for whatever they can get!

Posted by: oknow1 | December 29, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"blatche will be good under the right coach. no one progresses under flip saunders!!"

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 2:42 PM

And yet Blatche, McGee, and Young have shown more progress under Saunders than under any other coach they've had in the NBA.

Huh.


yea they have, but not as much as they would have under another coach. flip benched mcgee in crunch time (when he should be in learning) and throws him under the bus almost every other game. so its not that they havent progressed, just not enough. flip doesent get the most out of the team period.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

@ts35,

I really can't imagine anyone still thinking, based on the 5+ years of evidence, that Blatche is ever going to become a tough inside player. The Gasol comparison isn't really a parallel because Gasol always had those offensive skills and the willingness to use them. He basically carried an otherwise average Grizzlies team to three 45-50 win seasons and playoff appearances by playing inside. The big question surrounding him was if he could put up on the other end when it counted. Blatche hasn't shown the inside skills on offense or the toughness at either end. And 6 years into his career, the odds of him, basically, becoming a totally different player don't look very likely.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

That said though, getting a usable player and a 1st round pick (even a late one) for a guy taken at #49 wouldn't be bad.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

What are the draft picks Ernie got for Gil, CB, BTH, DS and AJ (his vision of a championship team)?

Ernie would prefer to give up his draft picks 5th for MM and Foye...5th for AJ...Blair pick for cash.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

aaannnd, tapscott was worse than flip saunders, eddie jordan dint play blatch and mcgee as much and they dint progress much under him cuz they wer extremely young at the time... they had to improve eventually

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"yea they have, but not as much as they would have under another coach."

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 3:23 PM


Really? And other than wild speculation, how could you know that?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

they had to improve eventually

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

or Ernie's team got that bad that it made them look better

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

There's no defending the C-Webb trade (although his time here is remarkably similar in many respects to Arenas's). The 'Sheed trade however, was not just about bad attitude, it was about having 3 guys who all played the same PF position, and who were all unwilling (at least Sheed and C-Webb) to play C. In addition, that Bullets team also needed a significant upgrade at the PG spot. Before his arrival, the Bullets were trotting out the likes of Brent Price, Robert Pack and Chris Whitney at PG.

So they moved 'Sheed for Strickland, who was 30 at the time. In his two healthy years here, he averaged 17 and 9 and 18 and 10, and the Wiz made the playoffs for the first time in a decade. Had they not traded Webber in a knee-jerk reaction, that team might have been able to be a playoff regular. So, while Sheed went on to have a great career, it wasn't a horrible trade for the Wiz. Certainly not akin to the C-Webb for a 33 year old Mitch Richmond and a 36 year old Otis Thorpe (although they could use someone like Thorpe now, even at 36).

The question with AB now is, is he right now what he is and always will be? Is he AJ, Al Harrington, Rashard Lewis, Charlie Villanueva, Troy Murphy etc, i.e. A perimeter-oriented, decent rebounding, no defense big, or do they think he will ever develop into a consistent inside presence, even at least on offense? Can he make the Pau Gasol-like transformation from sofite-big into solid all-around big (if not ever a true physical PF). If they think he's the former, putting him on the block doesn't do that much harm because those kinds of guys aren't that hard to find. If the reasonable expectation is that he will eventually develop into a consistent and efficient inside scorer, then they probably should hold on to him, because those kinds of guys are harder to find, and you live with them as much as you can, despite the headaches they may cause.

Posted by: ts35

I still disagree with the Sheed/Strickland trade. Strickland took us to the 8th seed in the East before getting swept in the 1st round. After a couple seasons, he was out of the league. For this, we give up a 20 year old 6'11 big man who starred for playoff teams for a decade and a half with a diverse offensive repertoire.

I still maintain that excellent defense can be taught. If we are convinced that Blatche is incapable of learning or executing good D, fine, ship him out. But I think it's still too early to give up on him. He's a young man who is still capable of maturation.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | December 29, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Blatche received his extension through playing inside and scoring in the post as a starter last year. If he was that exact same player this year, EG and co would be fine. But he broke his foot, got really fat, and never regained his stroke nor ability to do anything around the rim. People talk of his physical gifts....they're stuff like coordination, agility, hands, not any form of explosiveness. Right now he is overweight and cant make the same moves around the basket he was last year. If the guy lost 15 pounds (or whatever), suddenly he'd making all those same reverse layups and up-n-unders that allowed his tear last season. The fact he wont bear down and diet/exercise himself into a lean machine is the most damning aspect of it all imo

Posted by: divi3 | December 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Ernie's trying to ship out another one of his mistakes and some people on here defend his draft picks over the last 7 years...

What makes this whole thing insane is Ted is letting the same guy who made all of the mistakes try to fix them?"

@ bulletsfan78,

Are you really this ignorant?

Blatche was the best second round pick of his draft. From where he was drafted, he shouldn't even be in the NBA still. Let alone play well enough to warrant consideration for a fairly modest extension, which could have been a bargain had Blatche not digressed this season. You can argue whether that was a wise move or not - I was not for the extension myself mainly bc it was unnecessary and we lost any leverage over AB's effort and development. But, had AB continued to progress from last season, it's a bargain deal for the team. Now, it's a case of too many knuckleheads on the same team, which exists bc of where the team has generally drafted since EG has been here. If the AB's, NY's, JM's of the world didn't have character or some other issues, they would not have been available for us to choose in the first place (they certainly have enough talent). So you roll the dice and hope for the best. Now, JW doesn't need the headache from players like AB for his own development. It's smart to dump him now.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Never believed in Blatche, never will. You can't win with this guy. The guy does not have the ethics to be successful. He has not worked on his body, nor his game to truly be effective in the NBA. He's 6-11 and shoots 17-foot jumpers and reverse finger roll lay-ups. He has no post presence, no physicality and gets his chest caved in by anyone that plays a power game against him. On the defensive end he is just flat out lazy. He's physically gifted but he does not have the character to do what is necessary to be good at this level. he changed his number to 7 to represent he needs to work everyday after his mother told him he looked lazy on the floor.

If they can get a second round pick for him or just a bench player, I say trade him for whatever they can get!

Posted by: oknow1 | December 29, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Now, it's a case of too many knuckleheads on the same team, which exists bc of where the team has generally drafted since EG has been here. If the AB's, NY's, JM's of the world didn't have character or some other issues, they would not have been available for us to choose in the first place (they certainly have enough talent). So you roll the dice and hope for the best.

So EG knowingly assembled a team of knukclheads and "hoped for the best" but bears no blame for the fact we have a bunch knuckleheads mucking up the team? (I'm not saying they all are knuckleheads, just following the logic)

Posted by: divi3 | December 29, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

It is a wrong move to trade him now.
It was a good move to sign extension to him, i think both parties understand very well.They got him after injury and inked him, they did the same thing about 3 years ago, they signed extension immidately after he was caught on a fake prostitute.
This is a rebuilding team, AB can be traded any time by a star player from teams who decide to rebuild.
What is the reason to trade him now?
The only exception to trade him now is to unload bad contract.If there is a team that can take RL with him it is a smart move.Limit his minutes, bench him ,tell him to eat right.

Posted by: gtefferra | December 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

@Divi,

Totally agree with your last post.

AB's foot has been healthy for quite some time now. Yet, he still has a pouch and no physique to speak of two months into the season. The day AB decides to get in peak physical condition, eat right, and stay out of clubs during the season is the day that he absolutely has a chance to be an all-star. Whether that ever happens I don't know, it's strictly up to what he decides to do, which is why I liked having the leverage of an expiring contract hanging over him.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

This trade works on the ESPN trade machine...

AB, JM, NY and Wall to Portland for Camby and Miller

New Wizards lineup

PG Miller 34 years old
SG Kirk 30 years old
SF Howard 30 years old
PF Lewis 31 years old
C Camby 36 years old

The Wizards get their much needed veteran leadership and they still have Booker, seraphin and Ndiyae to develop under Flip and ETaps...

They make the playoffs and lose in the 1st round...just like the old days.

Then 3 years from now Ernie can blow the team up and get no draft picks in return for any of them.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Blatche was the best second round pick of his draft, but It's smart to dump him now.


Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Ernie great job..

Ted give Ernie a raise and a 5 year contract extension?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

They are trading away everyone who is part of the old Wiz culture of having fun, me-first mediocrity. Jameson's and Tuff-Juice's professionalism never rubbed off on them (or Nick Young); they went down the "when the going gets tough, create weird drama!" path of the Hibachster. Bye, bye, John-School!

Posted by: minorthread | December 29, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Wizards fan long enough to remember the Wizards trading away Sheed and CWebb for old guards, based purportedly on their bad attitudes. The result was that the Kings and Blazers/Pistons had sustained runs of excellence with outstanding big men, while the Wizards have never had a big man with Sheed or CWebb's offensive prowess. The lesson seems clear. Young men will do idiotic things, but you don't trade away 6'11 young big men with outstanding offensive games.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | December 29, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me you aren't comparing a 5th year dud to those two perrenial all-stars and future HOF-ers.

Also - what idyit is saying bring in Haywood? Do you realize that haywood has nothing to offer this team, and barely anything to offer his current team?

Haywood in his 3rd year - after at least 3 years of college ball at UNC (or was it 4?):
7ppg, 5rpg and 1.3 blocks

Javale in his 3rd year as a pro - at the same age Haywood was as a rookie:

9 ppg, 8.3rpg and 2.5 blocks

If you can assume he improves even at the rate Haywood did, by his 6th season, we are looking at a center that scores 13.6 ppg and pulls down 12 rpg.

I think he will progess even faster and further than Haywood ever could.

We were lucky to get Haywood out of here.

Posted by: Blurred | December 29, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

@Divi,

Totally agree with your last post.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Which was...

So EG knowingly assembled a team of knukclheads and "hoped for the best" but bears no blame for the fact we have a bunch knuckleheads mucking up the team? (I'm not saying they all are knuckleheads, just following the logic)

Posted by: divi3 | December 29, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

But I'm ignorant?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

@ts35,

I really can't imagine anyone still thinking, based on the 5+ years of evidence, that Blatche is ever going to become a tough inside player. The Gasol comparison isn't really a parallel because Gasol always had those offensive skills and the willingness to use them. He basically carried an otherwise average Grizzlies team to three 45-50 win seasons and playoff appearances by playing inside. The big question surrounding him was if he could put up on the other end when it counted. Blatche hasn't shown the inside skills on offense or the toughness at either end. And 6 years into his career, the odds of him, basically, becoming a totally different player don't look very likely.
Posted by: kalo_rama

It's not a question of becoming a 'tough inside player.' I don't think he'll ever be that. It's a question of becoming a 'tough enough' inside player. AB has the requisite offensive skills. He just doesn't commit to them and doesn't commit to playing inside. His J is good enough and he likes driving enough, that if he has issues inside early, he stops trying. But he did display a greater variety of inside moves at the end of last year, and more of a willingness to use them.

I've read people on these boards (maybe you?) say you can't teach toughness. Sort of playing off of the classic "You can't teach height." But toughness is not a physical attribute like height. While there is an aspect of it or degree of it that is inherent, there's also an aspect of it that is mindset. Mindsets can be changed, and toughness can be taught.

The question for me is do they think AB is wiling to make that change, make that commitment? He's made noise and some minor changes to indicate that he might be, but he also has a longer history that indicates that he won't. He's in the 6th year, you might think that those changes would have shown up by now. At the same time, he's also just 24 and we all change a lot and grow up a lot (or not) in our 20's. So that's the $64 question they'll have to decide.

Of course, it may ultimately be decided by the offers they receive (or don't).

Posted by: ts35 | December 29, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

@Divi,

No, the very simple logic is that late first rounders and second rounders have flaws or they would've been drafter sooner. I know that is a tough concept to follow.

Frankly, nobody knew much of anything about Blatche considering his age at the time. NY was all offensive talent and athleticism. And, JM was a pure tall,raw freak athlete. All flawed in some ways and picked later in the draft.

But, to say AB was a bad draft pick is outright stupid!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you are both ignorant bc I never said EG knowingly assembled a team full of knuckleheads. Nice try! Putting words in my mouth I never said.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Blatche is a disgrace of a player. He basically runs around the court in slow motion like he's got weights on his ankles. He used to be smooth like George Gervin and could actually pass the ball, when he was 19. Now he thinks for some reason that he needs to be a scorer on this team and he's simply a mess. For a big man he averages way too many turnovers, most of which aren't from making a bad pass... he dribbles the ball off his foot a few times a game and usually gets a turnover with an attempted crossover. And the biggest problem of all is in close games (which we've had a bunch of recently) he's the guy with the ball in his hands at the end of the game... and he's produced nothing at all!

McGee is what Wallace was to us. Can't trade him. Runs hard, plays defense and is athletic. Blatche looks like he's about 37 years old out there. I'd be happy with anything in return. Cavs aren't happy with Hickson, that could be a deal. We're just doing what the Jail Blazers did a few years back... get rid of the garbage. Zach Randolf is still a great player, but up until Roy got injured the Blazers have been a really good team again. Doesn't take long to replace a guy like Blatche. I'd say the second he's gone we're better. Like an earlier post mentioned, play Seraphin and Booker 25-30 mins a game and see where that takes us.

Posted by: baseline01 | December 29, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78, I applaud how you always manage to come up with something that has no value. Blatche and a #1 pick for Cousins. We get the anchor in the middle, he is young, has talent, plays well with Wall. Ask Wall if he thinks this will work, if so, try it. They get a 17 and 8 guy plus a low draft pick, and get rid of a headache. Cousins has not proven anything in this league and is really not on a par with Blatche yet. All potential, no record.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 29, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

C. Webb needed to go, besides being a pot head, not wanting to play center, making mental errors, he had started hating on his best friend Juwan Howard for the large contract he got and felt he deserved better. We never wanted him back.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 29, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Blatche was the best second round pick of his draft, but It's smart to dump him now.


Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Ernie great job..

Ted give Ernie a raise and a 5 year contract extension?

Posted by: bulletsfan78


@bulletsfan78,

Quit making up sentences I never wrote. Idiot!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Blatche was the best second round pick of his draft, but It's smart to dump him now.


Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Ernie great job..

Ted give Ernie a raise and a 5 year contract extension?

Posted by: bulletsfan78


@bulletsfan78,

Quit making up sentences I never wrote. Idiot!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Blatche was the best second round pick of his draft, but It's smart to dump him now.


Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Ernie great job..

Ted give Ernie a raise and a 5 year contract extension?

Posted by: bulletsfan78


@bulletsfan78,

Quit making up sentences I never wrote. You a fairly low level of scum.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

New Wizards lineup

PG Miller 34 years old
SG Kirk 30 years old
SF Howard 30 years old
PF Lewis 31 years old
C Camby 36 years old

Make sense to me.

Posted by: demonj21 | December 29, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Blatche was the best second round pick of his draft, but It's smart to dump him now.


Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Ernie great job..

Ted give Ernie a raise and a 5 year contract extension?

Posted by: bulletsfan78


@bulletsfan78,

Quit making up sentences I never wrote. You are a fairly low level of scum.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

7-22. It's the players. Blatche is one of those players. It kills me when people point to stats and say he leads the team in ppg and and gets 8 boards a game. Even a team that wins 12 games in a season is going to score at least 80 points a game. Someone's gotta score those points. Doesn't mean you're good. 7-22. If I were the Wizards, I would trade Blatche for a box of thin mints. Luckily for them, there will be a sucker out there who will give them more than that.

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 29, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd pitch Dre, a first rounder, & Martin for Blake Griffin!!! I know, it sounds impossible but the Clippers owner is an idiot...and Blake will suffer with the Clips. Or trade, Dre, Howard, and this years first rounder for Blake...whatever it takes minus Young and Wall, get Blake in DC.

Posted by: Gooddad | December 29, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I think getting rid of Blatche at this point would be terrible. (Though that depends on what's offered, of course.) We put up with him through 4 (?) years, and now that he might be on the verge of stardom, steady productivity, maybe even maturity... NOW we'd get rid of him?

Yes, he might never grow up, but he's still plenty young enough that it could well happen in the next year or two. I really think he's on the verge of getting it.

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | December 29, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

C. Webb needed to go, besides being a pot head, not wanting to play center, making mental errors, he had started hating on his best friend Juwan Howard for the large contract he got and felt he deserved better. We never wanted him back.

Posted by: 1bmffwb

Well, first, it's my understanding that if we eliminated pot heads from the NBA.....there would be no NBA.

For all of his flaws (and again, similar in many respects to Arenas's, and somewhat also AB's), he was the straw that stirred the drink. He was the talent. Abe essentially mandating the C-Webb be traded immediately meant that the Bullets were going to be unable to get legit value in return. And in many respects that move set what was a building team back several years and led to the collapse back to mediocrity.

Posted by: ts35 | December 29, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"It's not a question of becoming a 'tough inside player.' I don't think he'll ever be that. It's a question of becoming a 'tough enough' inside player. AB has the requisite offensive skills. He just doesn't commit to them and doesn't commit to playing inside. His J is good enough and he likes driving enough, that if he has issues inside early, he stops trying. But he did display a greater variety of inside moves at the end of last year, and more of a willingness to use them."

He displayed the same variety last year that he did this year: the reverse pivot/spin back step through and the pump fake/up and under. I haven't seen any real evidence of a wider arsenal. And,as someone touched on earlier, a good amount of his success with those moves at the end of last season was that people weren't that familiar with him and didn't game plan for him. And, with only about a 30 game sample following the blowup, he didn't get a lot of repeat business in terms of opponent matchups. Now that he's not in a position to take anybody by surprise, his old favorites aren't cutting it. And he has never shown the kind of work ethic to suggest he's willing to put in the hard offseason work to really expand his skills.

"I've read people on these boards (maybe you?) say you can't teach toughness. Sort of playing off of the classic "You can't teach height." But toughness is not a physical attribute like height. While there is an aspect of it or degree of it that is inherent, there's also an aspect of it that is mindset. Mindsets can be changed, and toughness can be taught."

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. To me, the kind of toughness that's relevant here is the kind that makes a player willing to repeatedly absorb painful physical punishment in pursuit of a goal (basket, rebound, loose ball, coming back from injury, whatever). I don't think that can be taught, at least not at the NBA level. It's one thing to teach a little kid who's afraid of the water to overcome his fear. It's another thing to teach a grown man whose lack of toughness has done nothing to prevent him from becoming a multimillionaire before his 25th birthday that he needs to change a core element of his personality. That's something that needs to be instilled early and left to bloom for several years. I think that ship has sailed for AB.

His moves are really designed to allow him to get a shot off with minimal contact, and last season he was able to get away with them. Now, teams are anticipating and bumping, banging, bodying him to take away his airspace inside. The result is more and harder contact, which Blatche clearly dislikes. Thus, more shaky fadeaway jumpers, because he's rushing things to avoid having to take contact.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Ultimately, I don't even think the toughness issue is his primary problem (though it is a big one). In today's NBA, big men with games like Blatche (face up mid-range jumpers, dribble drive and pullup) can succeed in the NBA and be contributors to good teams. But to do so they need to be reasonably consistent, efficient, and reliable. The issue with Blatche isn't so much what he does on the court as much as how he does it. For way too much of the time he's on the court he doesn't play hard, smart, with energy, focus or a team orientation. That could change, but it seems increasingly unlikely to me that it'll change while he's wearing a Wizards uniform.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

blatche will be good under the right coach. no one progresses under flip saunders!!

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse
_______________________

Kevin Garnett seems to have progressed pretty good... no?

Saunders was his coach from day 1 in MN.

Posted by: tony325 | December 29, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Grab your ankles folks, Grunfeld is about to make another trade.

Posted by: FireGrunfeld | December 29, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

AB will never be the player we need for him to be. It's that simple. After 5 years in the league, it's just not going to happen.

If he was a special player, he would have exhibited it much earlier in his career, like in his second or third year. He is what he is. He just doesn't have it in him inside. I think Grunfeld has finally realized it.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | December 29, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

it's hard for me to believe that the organization can't do something to help him with his physique. I fully comprehend that it's on him to do the work, but can't they mandate workout sessions for him?Then you fine him if he doesn't show, but my God. this guy is like frickin Kirstie Alley with his weight gains and losses. Where's the strength and conditioning coach?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78,

I applaud how you always manage to come up with something that has no value.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 29, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

1bmffwb,

But your...Blatche and a #1 pick for Cousins...has value?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 29, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

blatche will be good under the right coach. no one progresses under flip saunders!!

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse
_______________________

Kevin Garnett seems to have progressed pretty good... no?

Saunders was his coach from day 1 in MN.

Posted by: tony325 | December 29, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

KG made flip look good. obviously player progress, but not to their potential under flip. (besides kg, he was an exceptional super star type player).

flip just throws his players under the bus and is horrible with his rotations is wat iv been trying to say.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Andray is Kwame Brown on steroids

Posted by: slivin500 | December 29, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Garnett seems to have progressed pretty good... no?

Saunders was his coach from day 1 in MN.

Posted by: tony325 | December 29, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abu

name someone else

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Garnett seems to have progressed pretty good... no?

Saunders was his coach from day 1 in MN.

Posted by: tony325

True, very true. Garnett had the desire to be great. I could have been his coach, and I'm no coach.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | December 29, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Having to trade AB is another sad notch on Grunfeld's belt that needs to be taken upside his head.

It's ridiculous that Grunfeld felt confident enough to give AB an extension a few months ago, and now wants to trade him because maybe he suddenly learned that once a knucklehead, always a knucklehead.

Grunfeld's personnel moves/decisions is the gift that keeps giving for us who think he should have been canned a long time ago. Maybe ABt will be his excuse for begging Leonsis for another season to right this ship.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 29, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Andray wishes he was built like Kwame. If you put AB in Draft Day Kwame's Body you've got a player.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Blatche was the best second round pick of his draft, but It's smart to dump him now.


Posted by: rphilli721 | December 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse


I will go one further...I looked it up around this time last year and Blatche is by far, without a doubt, no exceptions, the best 49th pick of the past 30 years. he is statistically twice as good as the next runner up- Washington Bullets' own and current NBA ref, Haywood Workman. Since haywood also played on completely sucky Washington teams, it is pretty sfe to assume that Blatche is having at least as much impact on the success of his team as any 49th pick of the past 30 years.

Posted by: Blurred | December 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I could see this coming! I'm not entirely against trading Andray Blatche, he is still pretty immature. However I am concerned about the organization giving up on a talented but misguided young man. Although we have a new owner, the culture of the team/club/organization has not changed for the better. Ernie G. has done some pretty good things. Flip Saunders is a decent coach but nothing about these two are taking the team to a higher level of g

Posted by: zbopjazz | December 29, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"And yet Blatche, McGee, and Young have shown more progress under Saunders than under any other coach they've had in the NBA.

Huh.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse "

That point has to be taken with a grain of salt though. AB has had more opportunities with MeTawn shipped out, as he became the starter after that. Given all the individual success though, it hasn't resulted in team success, which is more important.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 29, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I will go one further...I looked it up around this time last year and Blatche is by far, without a doubt, no exceptions, the best 49th pick of the past 30 years.

Posted by: Blurred | December 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

But, do you agree it's smart to dump him now?

And if so then just because he (in your opinion) is by far, without a doubt, no exceptions, the best 49th pick of the past 30 years...is still a bust.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Ship his ass somwhere where the club scene is rocking like here in DC, because this guy is a "club bunny".

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | December 29, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

my God. this guy is like frickin Kirstie Alley with his weight gains and losses.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dude. I know I ragged you yesterday, but this is the post of the day! Love it.

Posted by: Blurred | December 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I could see this coming! I'm not entirely against trading Andray Blatche, he is still pretty immature. However I am concerned about the organization giving up on a talented but misguided young man. Although we have a new owner, the culture of the team/club/organization has not changed for the better. Ernie G. has done some pretty good things. Flip Saunders is a decent coach but nothing about these two are taking the team to a higher level of g

Posted by: zbopjazz | December 29, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

It would really say something about the new direction of this organization if they don't cut bait and run. Maybe once, just for once we pour as much resources as reasonably possible into turning this kid's career around. It's easy to give up on him, continue to be mediocre, and say he wasn't ready when he was here. The hard work would be helping him make a change. If it's the contract that has him complacent then maybe he should sit face to face with the guy who's money he's stealing. Ted had a "good relationship" with Gil before they traded him. I think that move was better for the team going forward than getting rid of AB would be. I'd like to hear about Ted reaching out to AB and letting him know what it takes to stay on his team.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

forgive me, my computer keyboard has a mind of its own....."goodness" I'm hopeful the Mr. T (Leonsis) will decide to make a move. We got an abundance of new players, but not new system or plan to improve them, or utilize them in a way to be a winning, competitive team. I think we've got some pretty good talent that needs to be developed...maybe a new coach, maybe a new GM, but something else new between the owner and the players...a new culture...something....
I'm not calling for a new coach, but something that's going to take us (the Wizards) to a new level.

I'm not comfortable about making John Wall as he is the "captain" of this team. Kirk H. is okay as a player. Here's the question, What needs to happen next to take this team upward and onward?

Posted by: zbopjazz | December 29, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Blurred | December 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

i got my guys but AB's fat ass is beyond my apologism.........gism.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

P.S.

It would be an act of great stupidity to trade JaVale McGee!

Posted by: zbopjazz | December 29, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

If you put AB in Draft Day Kwame's Body you've got a player.
Whose brain prevails?

Posted by: midlevex_ | December 29, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

" Since haywood also played on completely sucky Washington teams, it is pretty sfe to assume that Blatche is having at least as much impact on the success of his team as any 49th pick of the past 30 years."

Posted by: Blurred | December 29, 2010 4:53 PM

I dunno about that. Workman was a contributor on some pretty good Pacers teams that made it to the playoffs (including starting 50+ games on a team that made it to the conference finals).

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I will go one further...I looked it up around this time last year and Blatche is by far, without a doubt, no exceptions, the best 49th pick of the past 30 years.

Posted by: Blurred | December 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

But, do you agree it's smart to dump him now?

And if so then just because he (in your opinion) is by far, without a doubt, no exceptions, the best 49th pick of the past 30 years...is still a bust.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 29, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

What i am saying is I wouldn't mind a trade, depending on what that trade is. That isn't the same as a dump.

And, the fact that he, as a second rounder to begin with and a late second rounder at that, is still in the league in his 6th season means he was no bust as a pick. No other 49th pick of the past 30 years played more than 4 seasons.

So, by that standard EG made the greatest 49th pick and beat the odds tremendously.

But I can't say I am a huge fan of EG's or of Blatche's. Blatche learned a couple things from Brenda Haywood - Play hard to get your contract, fight with your teamates and don't worry about winning or losing, just whether you get your PT.

Posted by: Blurred | December 29, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

P.S.

It would be an act of great stupidity to trade JaVale McGee

..........for anyone other than dwight howard,kevin durant, or Beast griffin

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I dunno about that. Workman was a contributor on some pretty good Pacers teams that made it to the playoffs (including starting 50+ games on a team that made it to the conference finals).

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

You're right. I somehow forgot that he played that long. I guess his career stats were so low, I didn't fathom a 10 year career.

Anyway. It surprised me to see he was a starter, but then again, Pohh Richardson was injured that year and Anotnio Davis was still a Rookie. Looks like Workman did a "workman"-like job with assists that year, though.

I do know this. Workman busted his butt most of his minutes on the court. At least in that respect, he was far beyond Blatche.

Posted by: Blurred | December 29, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

ha - sorry - I confused Antonio Davis w/ Antonio Daniels. My bad.

Posted by: Blurred | December 29, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I believe Workman was on the floor during Miller's infamous "8 points in 11 seconds" game at the Garden.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse


Grunfeld's personnel moves/decisions is the gift that keeps giving for us who think he should have been canned a long time ago. Maybe ABt will be his excuse for begging Leonsis for another season to right this ship.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

No way any excuses will fly with Leonsis for having to trade Blatche so soon after talking Leonsis into agreeing to extend Blatche. Grunfeld and anybody who's ever worked closely with Blatche knew Blatches's issues and the fact that Grunfeld rushed to sign a fat, busted-foot Blatche when he had still had two years left on his contract reeks of a GM who is too clever by half...thought he was getting something for nothing. Who is having the the last laugh on that score - Blatche or Grunfeld? The Blatche extension is worse than extending Eddie Jordan only to fire him a few weeks later. Yeah, Grunfeld did that too.

Posted by: HippoWatts | December 29, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Workman is also the third NBA player to make the transition to becoming an NBA referee. AB as a ref, now there's a thought.

Posted by: ts35 | December 29, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

We should have gotten Gortat with the Arenas trade. Keep Andre. The team is like what...7 and 28 in route to a 19 and 63 record? What difference does it make. He said he's sorry. Let him work his butt off, earn his paycheck, and keep the Wizards young. These days, anyone who can play 70 out of 82 games and score in DD is a keeper, even if he gets into a lil slap around push and shove now and then.

Posted by: Airborne82 | December 29, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

We should have gotten Gortat with the Arenas trade. Keep Andre. The team is like what...7 and 28 in route to a 19 and 63 record? What difference does it make. He said he's sorry. Let him work his butt off, earn his paycheck, and keep the Wizards young. These days, anyone who can play 70 out of 82 games and score in DD is a keeper, even if he gets into a lil slap around push and shove now and then.

Posted by: Airborne82 | December 29, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I started reading this thread, and thought it was going to be a piling-on fest saying that Blatche's summer contract was a big mistake. It wasn't a mistake. If he stays (and I hope he does), he is well worth that money as a coordinated 4/5, starting or second team. If traded, the contract is similar to a sign and trade concept, by locking the player in (in this case, at a very reasonable price, prior to the trade). Not every team is looking for expiring contracts. He is a good deal for some teams needing coordination at the position. His contract also helps bring more value here in the trade (despite the pointless posts here about trading him for nothing). You all don't recall what Kwame brought in trade, more than once? Blatche should bring at least that much, if he is traded.

People seem to ignore the fact that after you get past the top 5 or 10 players at the 4 and 5 positions, as toughness goes up, level of coordination goes way down. Blatche as many other players are, is a unique blend of talents and weaknesses. He happens to be more coordinated than the average 4 and 5's, and less tough. I'll take that as part of a well balanced roster. In my opinion, you can develop Blatches weaknesses to some degree, but you can't develop lack of coordination in some of the tougher big men. I'm not claiming Blatche will ever be an all-star, but I've appreciated his role on a good roster. There will be other teams (and paid professionals in basketball talent evaluation) who will think the same.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Blatche's perceived potential is outweighed by the many problems he has had off the court. Perhaps EG signed him to the extension with the idea of using him as trade bait? If so, now is the time to pull the trigger. On a team with more veteran leadership perhaps he can continue to mature, both professionally and personally. I don't think his game can progress any further with the Wizards.
I do think that at the end of the season EG's tenure should be evaluated based on actions such as giving Blatche the extension. In my personal opinion, I think the time may have come for EG and the Wizards to part ways.

Posted by: Verdeball | December 29, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

It took jermaine oneal 7 years to really catch on and become a perennial all star. Like Blatche he too came right out of high school and was called soft.

People seem to forget how well he played at the end of last season. He was killing it and got a fair extension based off how well he played down the stretch.

Let's take a step back and see Blatche at 100% and in real game shape before we decide if he needs to go. A knee jerk reaction to a drunken mistake isn't the way Ernie should be making his decisions.

Posted by: DMoney28 | December 29, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I meant to say, Blatche's "potential" role on a good roster, once he is either on one somewhere else, or after we develop one here.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I guess for me the question isn't whether the club trades Andray, but what they're able to get in return. And that depends more on the needs of a potential trading partner than on Blatche's performance to date. Blatche is much more attractive as a scoring big man off the bench on a good roster than as a mainstay at the 4 on a weaker club. The extension he signed is an issue unless the Wiz are willing to take on another team's problem contract (or problem child).

Posted by: Samson151 | December 29, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Knee jerk reactions? That's 90% of the analysis you get here. Well, perennial downer attitudes and knee jerk reactions. And then the group of nuns who keep ragging on Blatche for moral reasons. Only a couple of us realize what we bought into with the "total rebuid" mentality.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Samson, your proposed niche for Blatche makes sense to me, but I don't get why folks think that contract extension is too expensive, even for a second team guy, at least for a big spending team. Someone who can easily rack up double doubles and score 20? Those don't come cheap. His mid-range contract seems like a steal to me for a team that can fit him in. And personally, as a placeholder and potential development here, I say it is a steal for the Wiz also. The league is full of placeholders as teams seek improvements. You have to pay for the ones who can get double doubles. I still say a whole lot of other players in this league are worth less, and paid more.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"blatche will be good under the right coach. no one progresses under flip saunders!!"
Posted by: skinsfan09 | December 29, 2010 2:42 PM

And yet Blatche, McGee, and Young have shown more progress under Saunders than under any other coach they've had in the NBA.

Huh.

Posted by: kalo_rama |

said progress under saunders may be true, but it might also just be a result of THEIR desire rather than anything he's done. saunders may be good at X's and O's, but seems to bring out the worst in his players.

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 29, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Blatche can't be counted on to produce those double-doubles with another team. Last season after the big trades, Saunders claimed they ran 60% of the plays through Andray -- mostly because they didn't have much else. That created a lot of opportunities that weren't there before. Going into this season, several people noted how Andray was really the team's only inside scoring option, and the presence of Wall meant improved penetration and more dish-offs inside. You really can't imagine a much better scenario for a player like Andray, and he seemed to realize it -- until he got hurt. Apparently his rehab went off the tracks and he's never really been as productive as we saw in the second half last year.

If he went to another team, his minutes might be reduced and he might be surrounded by a stronger cast, which would reduce his numbers but also the weight of expectations. He could be used where the matchup was advantageous. For instance, as a relief big man in Orlando, Phoenix, Dallas, Miami -- I'm just throwing out names here.

Of course, I think Ted would love to see us grab a couple more draft choices, even in '12, but I just don't know. May not even be a season next season, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 29, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"said progress under saunders may be true, but it might also just be a result of THEIR desire rather than anything he's done. saunders may be good at X's and O's, but seems to bring out the worst in his players.
Posted by: dcjazzman"

I'm always surprised to hear this sort of comment, given the guy's record before coming to Washington. Some of it has to do with that tenure in Detroit, of course, but geez, if it means winning 176 games in 3 seasons, may we have the same problems here.

Maybe he brings out the worst in some of his players, but it's clear he also brings out the best in others.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 29, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

The Bullets organization has historically been too quick to give up when developing young talent. With youth and big money often comes knuckle-headed behavior, especially in a weak organization. That said, if the right offer came along where the Bullets could get a young banger in return, someone who plays great defense, a true center who can pull down 15+ rebounds per night, Grunfeld needs to listen. Ha! Like the Bullets would be that lucky!

Posted by: dannykurland1 | December 29, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Good point, I agree. Blatche would go down in numbers as a bench player or occasional starter on another team. But I tend to evaluate him as having the "ability" to put up double doubles, just like jamison. However, the better use by a good team would keep the numbers and minutes down for either of these guys, and apply them as needed in favorable match-ups. I'm confident that he will either stay here, or we'll be pleased with what Grunfeld is able to get for him from a team with the need.

Thanks btw for adding some sanity and good analysis in your posts; the last few days here have seen a lot of whining, despair, finger pointing and negativity, so good analysis is always valued.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"said progress under saunders may be true, but it might also just be a result of THEIR desire rather than anything he's done. "

Or it might not be. Without knowing the intricate, behind the scenes details of the player/coach dynamic (which none of us do) we have no idea who contributes what. The only observable measure we have is whether or not a particular player improves under a particular coach's regime. And by that measure, Blatche, Young, and McGee have shown more progress under Saunders than under any other NBA coach they've played for. That's a fact and, really, it's the only fact we have.

"saunders may be good at X's and O's, but seems to bring out the worst in his players."

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 29, 2010 6:31 PM

And yet he seems to have brought the best out of Young, McGee, and Blatche.

Huh.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not claiming Blatche will ever be an all-star, but I've appreciated his role on a good roster. There will be other teams (and paid professionals in basketball talent evaluation) who will think the same."

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 5:52 PM

Would those be any of the same "paid professionals in basketball talent evaluation" who thought it was good idea to draft/sign/trade for the likes of:


  • Derrick Coleman
  • Eddy Curry
  • Ike Austin
  • Hasheem Thabeet
  • Kwame Brown
  • Darko Milicic
  • JR Rider
  • Eddie Griffin
  • Sam Bowie
  • Joe Alexander
  • Dujuan Wagner
  • Michael Olowokandi
  • Robert "Tractor" Traylor
  • Rodney White
  • Nikoloz Tskitishvili
  • Adam Morrison
  • Darius Miles
  • Michael Sweetney
  • And so on . . .

I'm sure you get my point.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sure you get my point."

Yes, that hindsight is 20-20, whoop-dee-doo.

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | December 29, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, that hindsight is 20-20, whoop-dee-doo."

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | December 29, 2010 8:27 PM

That's what I get for givin' some people too much credit.

Ah well.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 29, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

You, of course, would NEVER have picked Sam Bowie. How wise, all-seeing oracle.

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | December 29, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Bulletsfan78 - It has more value than no plan like you are posting. Blatche and a #1 pick that is possibly a lottery pick is something for Sacramento to consider. Your posting shows no idea at all. Doesn't take too much intelligence to be that dumb!

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 29, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, you know this, but allow me to say anyway, picking talent is a numbers game. The people who are in it professionally do not expect every move to pan out perfectly. It's the fans who have unrealistic expectations. Anyway, I'm willing to bet a paycheck easily that more than one top level scout and GM are looking carefully at Andray for both 1) currently exhibited skills, and 2) continued development potential. I'm not into complaining about the talent we have, as my posts show. I'm trying to be supportive of the team with the hopes that they find a way to build a team culture that maximizes player development, and gets better at defining player roles to get the most out of a roster. A tall order, I realize.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | December 29, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

P.S.

It would be an act of great stupidity to trade JaVale McGee

..........for anyone other than dwight howard,kevin durant, or Beast griffin

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse
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This I agree with, but Mcgee is out of here after this year. There is probably zippy chance he re-signs with Wizards.

Posted by: bobilly1 | December 29, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: elsiedlewis | December 30, 2010 2:11 AM | Report abuse

If I were Teed Leonsis, and I'm not, I would think this through and get real good advice on how to proceed. I think we have some very good talent here....some very good ingredients. We need the right chef and the right recipe, and the cooks. We need at least another coach/contractor/consultant from the ranks of big men players who recently played the game, Chris Webber, Kevin McHale, etc (name someone else) who can coach our big men UP! If we don't have one, we should have a sports psychologist on retainer, and motivational speakers to talk to the team. We've got to build a winning culture. I read someone's entry re JaVale McGee hiring someone like Hakeem Olujuwan on his own dime, and that's very valid option that JaVale and the team should consider. Kareem's ill, but I'm always for bringing in that champion. His achievements and acumen of the game has always be undervalued, but he did a helluva job with Andrew Bynum. How about Alonzo Mourning or Mutombo? Or a series of big men.such as big John Thompson, Sr. He could provide some advice on retainer. I think bringing Sam Cassell on to the staff was a brilliant move...oh for another brilliant move. What might that be....open to suggestions. Peace. The team is moving in the right direction.

Posted by: zbopjazz | December 30, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

@bobilly1:
"The Wizards also picked up final year of McGee's rookie deal, worth $2.4 million".
Javele McGee is not a free agent next season as you seem to think. He's signed through the 11-12 season and will be a restricted free agent beginning in the 12-13 season, if they Wizards make him the qualifying offer.

Posted by: garrybrown | December 30, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Ernie Grunsfeld must have one of the hardest jobs in the NBA. Why? Because, currently, the Wizards play in the hardest division in the NBA with the HEAT, MAGIC, HAWKS and BOBCATS. The Bobcats went to the playoffs last year believe it or not (however the coach just resigned recently).

Anyhow, Grunsfeld need to get players who can compete with the HEAT, MAGIC and the CELTICS and the HAWKS are no slouch team either.

If I'm Grunsfeld, I will send Yi and Blatche to another team for a draft pick or a super-prime player like a Tayshawn Prince.

Posted by: clifton3 | December 30, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Ted Leonsis, I would hire a reputable, ex-NBA big man as a consultant, just as the Wizards added a shooting coach, and defensive coach in the past. It's going to take some time to change the culture of the organizations but adding a former NBA, highly-skilled big man to the staff resources would be a step in the right direction. At the rate we're losing, chances are we're going to be in the lottery again. Our goal should be to win an NBA championship in the next 3-5 years, and not just to get into the playoff. One and done forays are for the birds. Happy New Year!

Posted by: zbopjazz | December 31, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

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