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Posted at 2:15 PM ET, 12/15/2010

Yi Jianlian to miss next two to four weeks with sprained MCL

By Michael Lee

Yi Jianlian may have to wait until March 20 to get his first shot against his former team, the New Jersey Nets. Yi will stay behind as the team hopes to end a 12-game road losing streak against the Nets on Thursday after an MRI revealed that he has a sprained right medial collateral ligament. Yi said he would likely miss the next two to four weeks, which puts his availability for the Wizards' next game against New Jersey on Jan. 7 in doubt.


This isn't good. (Photo by Toni L. Sandys/The Washington Post)

Yi was injured in the first quarter of the Wizards' 103-89 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers when Ron Artest fell on the same knee that he hyperextended on Nov. 13. Yi was forced to miss the next nine games, but he had come back to average 7.8 points and 5 rebounds in his next four games. When asked if he was disappointed about missing out on the Nets, Yi replied, "Things happen."

Yi, who was acquired from New Jersey last summer, added that he didn't exactly have the Nets marked down on his calendar. "For me, right now, I'm looking forward to every game. I'm trying to get healthy, get back soon on the court," Yi said.

Coach Flip Saunders said the Wizards will also likely be without John Wall and Andray Blatche against the Nets. "I don't think we're going to have John. He didn't do anything today, just a little bit of shooting but not much. His thing's a little bit different, because of the tendinitis, doing things, he could wake up tomorrow and be a lot better. He doesn't have anything structurally, where Dray's had more fluid and those things. It swelled up a little bit last night after our game, sitting around for three hours...it's always scary when you have to go fly, up in the air the pressure and the thing might balloon up on us. We'll have to make a decision on that."

Update: Blatche (sore left knee) did not travel with team to NJ. He & Yi will stay behind to receive treatment. Blatche will take the train later and meet the team for the game in Newark.

By Michael Lee  | December 15, 2010; 2:15 PM ET
Categories:  Andray Blatche, Flip Saunders, John Wall, Yi Jianlian  
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Comments

So as Yi's injury lingers into 10-day contract territory, I wonder who big Ern has his eye on in the DLeague.

Posted by: elfreako | December 15, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

AUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Whew! That felt good. Why dose this seem like de ja veau?

If it weren't for bad luck, this team would have no luck at all!! Damn the rebuild by draft,get some players in here or you will see a half empty phone booth by the end of January.

Posted by: ivyleague | December 15, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards got the 17th overrall pick in the draft plus $3 million in cash to take Hinrich off of the hands of the Bulls and he is playing like it. Hinrich have been playing like a bum at both ends of the floor and should sitting at the end of the bench.

Posted by: spades72 | December 15, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Please excuse the misspelled words. Sorry. Just frustrated with this team.

Posted by: ivyleague | December 15, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Sucks for Yi, but I'd much rather that Booker and Seraphin play anyway, so this injury really isn't a big deal.

Posted by: divi3 | December 15, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse


It's peculiar that when Flip talks about Wall's injuries lately, he only mentions the tendonitis. It's almost as if the he doesn't factor in or minimizes the pain Wall's complaining about in his foot. Playing with a tendonitis is one thing but pain is your foot is a whole different ordeal.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 15, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Another Ernie Grunfeld bust, sure to get EG NBA executive of the year.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 15, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Flip's comments hint at the belief Wall isn't being tough enough. Whenever you hear a coach (or owner!) saying there is "no structural damage" they're implying the guy could play through the pain if he wanted to.

Posted by: divi3 | December 15, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Flip's comments hint at the belief Wall isn't being tough enough. Whenever you hear a coach (or owner!) saying there is "no structural damage" they're implying the guy could play through the pain if he wanted to. Posted by: divi3

Agreed! These guys are being paid a fair wage. They need to suck it up and get their @$$ on the floor and play. It seems like these jokers only play when they want to. You never, ever see Kobe, Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan etc., miss so many games. I think its time for management to either change some policies OR get some suits in here who won't tolerate this crap.

Posted by: carterm1 | December 15, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Just needed to say that last night NY should have been at SG and Booker should have been at SF. It would have been a better match up vs Lakers. As far as being effective the Wizards can get by without Wall better than without Blatche. And I hope Howard brings his A game and is truely over his injury. It's hard to understand if these guys are playing before they are fully healed. There is no sense of anyone playing half recovered with on again off again injuries.

Posted by: bobilly1 | December 15, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The last person i'd agree with(other than rphilli721) is Flip but he is right in term's of Wall getting tougher and that goes for the rest of those slackers(just kidding!) but seriously although Flip didn't say it John Wall is going to have to suck it up and play i can only hope that they have a competent foot specialist available.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 15, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Whew! That felt good. Why dose this seem like de ja veau?

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like deja vue? because every team undergoes injuries?

Posted by: MinuMang | December 15, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Flip's comments hint at the belief Wall isn't being tough enough. Whenever you hear a coach (or owner!) saying there is "no structural damage" they're implying the guy could play through the pain if he wanted to. Posted by: divi3

That was a comment made by Ted Leonsis. Yes, I got the feeling he thought Wall should play through the pain. And really, if it's just tendonitis he could, if he wanted to.

As Leonsis has said, it's not structural.

Posted by: nmik | December 15, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Why is Mike Lee trying to hype up the Nets game with Yi? If Mike wants some hype, how about calling for Grunfeld and Flip Flop to turn in their resignations and keys to the VC. Time to throw out the garbage.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 15, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Ever notice it is always the “bad teams” with “bad luck”. As a lifelong Bullets\wiz fan, I think it “Bad conditioning” and “Bad preparation”. Not luck. I cannot remember a Wizards team on the floor that I thought played with solid fundamentals. It is always… when this guy gets back, then we will see what this team is made of. Sorry we already know.

Posted by: ericmc1998 | December 15, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Another Ernie Grunfeld bust, sure to get EG NBA executive of the year. Posted by: dargregmag
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yeah forsure a unanimous selection.

Posted by: fakedude2 | December 15, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Why is Mike Lee trying to hype up the Nets game with Yi? I
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because it's his job?
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Time to throw out the garbage.
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if it's time to throw out the garbage, have you looked a little closer to home?

Posted by: MinuMang | December 15, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Why is Mike Lee trying to hype up the Nets game with Yi? I
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because it's his job?
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Time to throw out the garbage.
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if it's time to throw out the garbage, have you looked a little closer to home?

Posted by: MinuMang | December 15, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse "

You are one stupid and cowardly individual posing under a new name.

Yi is a nobody on the team. If you think it's worthy of "hype" to say he's about to play the Nets again, then you're stupid.

You're entire response is garbage. Keep loving this sorry @ss team.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 15, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Yi Jianlian to miss next two to four weeks with sprained MCL

Time for Ernie to give him a 3 year extension?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 15, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Debate going on about why Derrick Rose gets to the FT line so seldom. From Zach Lowe's column:

"Rose has used up 31 percent of Chicago’s possessions this season, according to Basketball-Reference. That’s a huge number, and it means that 31 percent of Chicago’s possessions while he’s been on the court have ended with a Rose shot, turnover or trip to the line. Only five players have higher usage rates, and only one of those players (Kobe Bryant) has one that tops 32 percent."

"...Rose is averaging 4.8 free throw attempts per 36 minutes. That’s the best mark of his career, and it would seem to indicate that Rose gets to the line a fair amount; he’s not Mickael Pietrus (six free throws in 19 games) or anything."

"But if Rose’s usage rate and free-throw numbers stay at their current rates, he’d become only the sixth player in three decades (since the introduction of the three-point line) to post a usage rate greater than 30 percent while attempting fewer than five foul shots per 36 minutes, according to Basketball-Reference.* The others: Ben Gordon, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Baron Davis and journeyman Freeman Williams, who did it while playing for the Clippers in 1979-80."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 15, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The glass is half full. Yi sitting on the bench means more minutes for Seraphin, Booker, Armstrong, and maybe H. That's a good thing. The Wizards need to know what they have in these players, so they can draft well.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | December 15, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

All the MeTawn lovers....how's he doing in Cleveland?

All the Amare haters. How's he doing in NY?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 15, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The glass is half full. Yi sitting on the bench means more minutes for Seraphin, Booker, Armstrong, and maybe H. That's a good thing.

Maybe, but it's hard to play the rooks with McGee, and any of those guys in a lineup with McGee and Thornton is an NBA abomination.

The Wizards need to know what they have in these players, so they can draft well. Posted by: PostSubscriber

Lots of holes to fill. Ted said that they will draft on need over best available player, so the PG and project C spots are filled. Hard to see them passing on a stud PF no matter what Booker does.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 15, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Only Flip Saunders would play a 20 year old rookie point guard 38 minutes per game. Just because Wall "doesn't have anything structurally..." isn't reason to rush him back into action. And we he DOES return, will Flip be smart enough to limit Wall to no more than 30 minutes, until he can regain strength in his foot?

The Wizards are extremely limited with Dray, Yi, and Josh Howard out [and Gilbert still at less than 100%]. When John Wall returns, if Saunders aggravates J-wow's injuries by over-extending his PT, he should be immediately fired.

Posted by: musicmanjr | December 15, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Only Flip Saunders would play a 20 year old rookie point guard 38 minutes per game.

Rose and Evans averaged 37 minutes as rookies.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 15, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

"Only Flip Saunders would play a 20 year old rookie point guard 38 minutes per game." Posted by: musicmanjr | December 15, 2010 10:42 PM
"Rose and Evans averaged 37 minutes as rookies."

Posted by: djnnnou | December 15, 2010 10:52 PM

Chris Paul and Magic Johnson both averaged 36 mpg as rookies.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 15, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Ok. You got me, Larry. Which is it - Gil's not leading or he is? Because it appears that you're now arguing both sides of the issue.

Not that you said it, but I hope you're not equating someone with being the leader of a team simply because he leads or has lead the team in scoring.

Posted by: tgif11 | December 15, 2010 1:16 PM

No, not really arguing both sides of the coin. Simply that, Gilbert is the leader that isn't leading the Team. Right now the Wizards are rudderless because they named Wall who isn't ready to lead yet and Hinrich whom isn't a leader and no one is following him.

Gilbert, acquiescing to the wishes of the organization, will not step up and lead even though he is the only real leader on the Team right now.

Thats really it in a nutshell and nothing more.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 15, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Only Flip Saunders would play a 20 year old rookie point guard 38 minutes per game." Posted by: musicmanjr | December 15, 2010 10:42 PM
"Rose and Evans averaged 37 minutes as rookies."
Posted by: djnnnou | December 15, 2010 10:52 PM

Chris Paul and Magic Johnson both averaged 36 mpg as rookies.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 15, 2010 11:15 PM

Were all of these guys 1yr removed from highschool and only 20yrs old though?

I think that would be the best comparison.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 15, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Only Flip Saunders would play a 20 year old rookie point guard 38 minutes per game." Posted by: musicmanjr | December 15, 2010 10:42 PM
"Rose and Evans averaged 37 minutes as rookies."
Posted by: djnnnou | December 15, 2010 10:52 PM

Chris Paul and Magic Johnson both averaged 36 mpg as rookies.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 15, 2010 11:15 PM

Were all of these guys 1yr removed from highschool and only 20yrs old though?

I think that would be the best comparison.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 15, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

The real question is...were any of them injuried like Wall is?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 15, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Only Flip Saunders would play a 20 year old rookie point guard 38 minutes per game.

Rose and Evans averaged 37 minutes as rookies.

Posted by: djnnnou | December 15, 2010 10:52 PM

I'll agree with you on Tyreke Evans.

Derrick Rose in 2008-09, on the other hand, had Ben Gordon, John Salmons, Kirk Hinrich and Larry Hughes to help him carry the load at the guard position. He had Luol Deng, Brad Miller, Drew Gooden, Joakim Noah, and Andres Nocioni in the front court. He may have spent 37 minutes on the floor, but the ball wasn't constantly in his hands. The Bulls had multiple scoring and ball handling options.

John Wall only has Nick Young, Dray and Gil to carry the scoring load. Hinrich has skills, but he's slow by NBA standards. So Wall has to spend his 38.1 minutes of playing time driving to the basket, splitting defenders, running off picks, etc. That's why John Wall's 38.1 minutes are far harder on his body than Derrick Rose's. Plus, Wall's aggresive "Allen Iverson" style of play lends itself to constant injuries. You would think that Coach Saunders would give greater consideration to the wear and tear that Wall is putting on his body and limit his minutes.

Posted by: musicmanjr | December 15, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"Only Flip Saunders would play a 20 year old rookie point guard 38 minutes per game."

Sounds like we can agree that the above statement is just incorrect.

Wall drives to the basket because he's really good at it, and because that's the way he plays. It's not very different from the way Derrick Rose plays, either. Or Tyreke Evans. They're different players but they came from the same basic training course.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 15, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

"Thats really it in a nutshell and nothing more."

LOL there's something nutty about it, no doubt.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but which ones were only 20yrs old?

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 16, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

"Were all of these guys 1yr removed from highschool and only 20yrs old though?"

They were all 20 or younger when their rookie years started. Rose and Evans were both 1 year removed from H.S. Paul and Magic were 2 years removed.

"Blah, blah, blah. . . "

Posted by: musicmanjr | December 15, 2010 11:44 PM

In other words, you posted something that was plainly untrue and, upon being proven wrong with actual facts, you started sliding the goalposts around, greasing the field with qualifiers and exceptions. Whatever.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 16, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

"Blah, blah, blah. . . "
Posted by: musicmanjr | December 15, 2010 11:44 PM


Say what you will about Wall versus Rose and Evans. Wall has missed a third of games played, largely because of his kamikaze style of play. Derrick Rose's game is NOT identical to Wall's. Feel free to go to www.basketball-reference.com or 82games.com to further educate yourself.

Posted by: musicmanjr | December 16, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

It really is quite simple to me:

This medical staff doesn't know how to treat a paper cut.

This season, Flip Saunders has declared himself an MD and is making diagnoses and rehab plans, but that isn't working either.

What's going to happen next? Is Ernie Grunfeld going to get out his stethoscope and lab coat?

Posted by: NWDC3 | December 16, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Flip's comments hint at the belief Wall isn't being tough enough. Whenever you hear a coach (or owner!) saying there is "no structural damage" they're implying the guy could play through the pain if he wanted to. Posted by: divi3

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The absence of structural damage does not mean "healthy enough to play".

With some injuries, playing through the pain could lead to structural damage, or it could result in other injuries popping up as a player attempts to compensate by shifting weight onto other parts of the body.

"Structural damage" equals major injury.

The important thing with someone like Wall is to manage the injury wisely. Flip's comments are clear enough -- in Wall's case he might feel OK after a day or two of rest and would be OK to play. If he's only 70 percent and a liability, the coach isn't going to play him.

As far as the loss of Yi goes, I agree with those who say it's probably a bit of a wash. It would be better to have him available, but there's something to be said for the court experience that Seraphin and Booker might receive in his absence.

As far as people criticizing the Yi acquisition and the Hinrich, Seraphin acquisition, the Wizards gave up almost nothing to make those deals. Both Seraphin and Booker look like they could end up being quality acquisitions. Hinrich has been about what you'd expect from a veteran player. He doesn't have the talent to carry the team, but that's not why he was brought on to the team roster. I suspect he's doing about what the GM and coach expected him to do.

Posted by: JPRS | December 16, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Hinrich has been about what you'd expect from a veteran player. He doesn't have the talent to carry the team, but that's not why he was brought on to the team roster.
Posted by: JPRS

Yeah, he was brought in specifically to keep John Wall away from Gilbert's "extracurricular activities." Not that Wall needs Hinrich there for that. The kids get it.

Posted by: NWDC3 | December 16, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

NWDC3,

I'd say it was more because of his defense, his preparation, and his understanding of the game. On the court he's a stabilizing presence.

Even though the stats sometimes do lie, his efficiency rating just a little south of 13 isn't bad -- especially on a young team that's still developing chemistry. On an elite, or near-elite teams he probably wouldn't start, but he'd still be part of the regular rotation.

When you factor in the cash, the draft pick, and what the Wizards gave up in exchange, he's a solid acquisition.

Posted by: JPRS | December 16, 2010 2:31 AM | Report abuse

MRjavin Bur WELL, WELL, WELL...IF NOT NOW...DAMN-IT "WHEN"???

Da DOLPHINS DID WAT DEY D0 BEST 0N Da ROAD -- "WIN" -- BUTT, WILL Da MIAMI DOLPHINS CONTINUE 2 PLAY HIGH LEVEL PHYSICALLY TOUGH, HARD NOSE, INSPIRED FOOTBALL 4 THEIR MANY, MANY "LOYAL H0METOW...N FANS" or DO WE GET Da JEKYLL n "HIDE" SHOW 4 Da DOLPHINS BOSS n OWNER STEVE ROSS 2 WITNESS AT HOME ONCE AGAIN -- (THEIR IN-EPT n PIZZ POOR GAME PERFORMANCE n APPLIED GARBAGE SKILLS) -- IS IT FAIR 2 SAY DAT JEFF IRELAND WILL Be ATTENDING Da MIAMI / BUFFALO GAME 2 WITNESS HIS "HIGHLY FAILED n INEPTITUDE QUARTERBACK PRODIGY CHAD HENNE"??? -- (DAT GUY COULD'NT HIT A BULL IN Da @ZZ WITH AN IRONING BOARD -- HE HAS EXCEPTIONALLY WEAK SKILLS n BLIND 2 MATCH!!!)...Da DOLPHINS NEED A MUCH BETTA n "IMMENSELY TALENTED QUARTERBACK n SOON" -- MR. DAN MARINO CANNOT BELIEVE HIS OWN EYES AT WAT HE SEES AT HIS "HIGHLY SKILLED n ELITE POSITION" -- ("HENNE GETTS ABSOLUTELY NO PAT ON Da HEAD HERE") -- CHAD HENNE IS ABSOLUTE GARBAGE -- 2 SAY Da LEAST!!!

p.s. See More -- U DAMN RITE "EYE DO"???...miami dolphins, da bills r cumin 2 sunlife stadium 2 win da fuc'n game --"DEY HAVE ONLY 2 WIN Da FOOTBALL GAME 2 PLAY 4 NOW" -- (WITH or WITH-OUT SKILLS CHALLENGED CHAD HENNE AS Da DOLPHINS QUARTERBACK & PLAYOFF HOPES r n HIS HANDS -- SCARRY)!!!

question..."MR. DON SHULA KNOWS PEOPLE & HE KNOWS FOOTBALL MATTERS & HE KNOWS FOOTBALL PLAYERS & HE KNOWS TALENT & MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE KNOWS EXACTLY HOW 2 GET YOU 2 THE BIGG DANCE STEPHEN ROSS" -- "WHY" IS'NT MR. SHULA THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE MIAMI DOLPHINS???...HE GETTS OUR VOTES 2 BE THE DOLPHINS GM -- HE IS THE FACE OF THE MIAMI DOLPHINS & ORGANIZATION!!!

Posted by: MRjavinbur | December 16, 2010 5:27 AM | Report abuse

WELL, WELL, WELL...IF NOT NOW...DAMN-IT "WHEN"???

Da DOLPHINS DID WAT DEY D0 BEST 0N Da ROAD -- "WIN" -- BUTT, WILL Da MIAMI DOLPHINS CONTINUE 2 PLAY HIGH LEVEL PHYSICALLY TOUGH, HARD NOSE, INSPIRED FOOTBALL 4 THEIR MANY, MANY "LOYAL H0METOWN FANS" or DO WE GET Da JEKYLL n "HIDE" SHOW 4 Da DOLPHINS BOSS n OWNER STEVE ROSS 2 WITNESS AT HOME ONCE AGAIN -- (THEIR IN-EPT n PIZZ POOR GAME PERFORMANCE n APPLIED GARBAGE SKILLS) -- IS IT FAIR 2 SAY DAT JEFF IRELAND WILL Be ATTENDING Da MIAMI / BUFFALO GAME 2 WITNESS HIS "HIGHLY FAILED n INEPTITUDE QUARTERBACK PRODIGY CHAD HENNE"??? -- (DAT GUY COULD'NT HIT A BULL IN Da @ZZ WITH AN IRONING BOARD -- HE HAS EXCEPTIONALLY WEAK SKILLS n BLIND 2 MATCH!!!)...Da DOLPHINS NEED A MUCH BETTA n "IMMENSELY TALENTED QUARTERBACK n SOON" -- MR. DAN MARINO CANNOT BELIEVE HIS OWN EYES AT WAT HE SEES AT HIS "HIGHLY SKILLED n ELITE POSITION" -- ("HENNE GETTS ABSOLUTELY NO PAT ON Da HEAD HERE") -- CHAD HENNE IS ABSOLUTE GARBAGE -- 2 SAY Da LEAST!!!

p.s. See More -- U DAMN RITE "EYE DO"???...miami dolphins, da bills r cumin 2 sunlife stadium 2 win da fuc'n game --"DEY HAVE ONLY 2 WIN Da FOOTBALL GAME 2 PLAY 4 NOW" -- (WITH or WITH-OUT SKILLS CHALLENGED CHAD HENNE AS Da DOLPHINS QUARTERBACK & PLAYOFF HOPES r n HIS HANDS -- SCARRY)!!!

question..."MR. DON SHULA KNOWS PEOPLE & HE KNOWS FOOTBALL MATTERS & HE KNOWS FOOTBALL PLAYERS & HE KNOWS TALENT & MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE KNOWS EXACTLY HOW 2 GET YOU 2 THE BIGG DANCE STEPHEN ROSS" -- "WHY" IS'NT MR. SHULA THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE MIAMI DOLPHINS???...HE GETTS OUR VOTES 2 BE THE DOLPHINS GM -- HE IS THE FACE OF THE MIAMI DOLPHINS & ORGANIZATION!!!

Posted by: MRjavinbur | December 16, 2010 5:31 AM | Report abuse

I have not heard Saunders make a positive comment since the season started. A young team has to have some positive re-enforcement but Saunders seems not to know how to handle a young team. Time for a change. The Wizards training staff should have been overhauled two years ago... trainers, doctors, nutritionist, anyone that has anything to do with the players health need to go and a new staff in here. And finally, if for no other reason then to make the fans feel good about positive change, goodbye EG.

Posted by: ronniea54 | December 16, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

John wall's tendinitis clearly tell how stupid our head coach is, compensatory injury is allways the fault of coaches.There is no reason to allow wall to play with bad foot,we are rebuilding,we are not in a playoff run,He is a young player who can even tell the coach to play prematurely.Our smart coach allow him to try,and late him do it for 40 minutes in his second game.What is wrong with the owner, is he realy better than AP or he was part of the 32 years failure?

Posted by: gtefferra | December 16, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

"Wall has missed a third of games played, largely because of his kamikaze style of play. Derrick Rose's game is NOT identical to Wall's. Feel free to go to www.basketball-reference.com or 82games.com to further educate yourself."Posted by: musicmanjr"

OK, hold up just a minute here:
1) Wall has missed games because of injuries. Nobody's established he plays 'kamikaze' ball, whatever that may be. And nobody's established his injuries have resulted from anything more than routine basketball play.
2) Where did anyone say Derrick Rose's game was 'identical' to Wall's? It isn't. But they each spent a year in the DDM under Calipari and it shows.

It looks like you backed yourself into a corner and instead of just admitting it and moving on, you've decided to move the goal posts and pretend you were right all along.

In the great tradition of dumb sports arguments, I might add...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah, he was brought in specifically to keep John Wall away from Gilbert's "extracurricular activities." Not that Wall needs Hinrich there for that. The kids get it.Posted by: NWDC3"

Of course neither one of us knows if there's a shred of truth in the above -- it's just one of those things fans believe -- but I think maybe we should give the Wiz some credit for managing the Gil situation as well as they have. It's hard to overstate the negative factor Arenas was last season (to say nothing of a distraction). He gets credit for making an effort to be positive, but so do Leonsis and the others for going out of their way to welcome him, even when everyone in the NBA suspected they would rather not. Bringing in players like Hinrich and Josh Howard doesn't hurt the maturity level of a young team, but it's mostly about the climate that management creates. If they act like the rancor is ended, so does everybody else. And they've acted like the rancor is ended.


Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

"And finally, if for no other reason then to make the fans feel good about positive change, goodbye EG.Posted by: ronniea54"

Good thinkin'. I think that's the way the Lakers, Celts, and other success stories have always built their teams. By doing a bunch of stuff to make the fans feel good about positive change.

Probably on Red Auerbach's headstone...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

"On an elite, or near-elite teams he probably wouldn't start, but he'd still be part of the regular rotation."

There's a pretty good chance he'd have started next to Derrick Rose on a good team in Chicago this season. Instead of Keith Bogans.

Pretty sure that's occurred to him while he watches the young Wiz struggle to find their spots on the floor.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

"Flip's comments hint at the belief Wall isn't being tough enough. Whenever you hear a coach (or owner!) saying there is "no structural damage" they're implying the guy could play through the pain if he wanted to."

LOL 'hint'? 'imply'?

Why not something like: "as he spoke, Saunders permitted a slight sarcastic curl to interrupt the smooth line of his upper lip, and made odd gestures with his index finger that to this reporter could mean only one thing: he was issuing a personal challenge to the player to pistols at dawn."

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Memo to Ted,

All I want for Christmas is a COMPETENT medical staff.

Posted by: mabkhar | December 16, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

There's a pretty good chance he'd have started next to Derrick Rose on a good team in Chicago this season. Instead of Keith Bogans.

KH was going to be dealt one way or another- after 3yrs of trying to move him. Of course the EG faithful bought into the load of nonsense the deal was a "steal" because the Bulls were so desperate for Lebron. Same thing about the Yi trade.

Truth is, they were so-so moves for so-so players whose time had come with their respective clubs- though KH is obviously better than Yi.

Posted by: divi3 | December 16, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Good thinkin'. I think that's the way the Lakers, Celts, and other success stories have always built their teams. By doing a bunch of stuff to make the fans feel good about positive change.

Probably on Red Auerbach's headstone...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

I guess you don't consider winning a championship a positive change?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 16, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"KH was going to be dealt one way or another- after 3yrs of trying to move him."

His name came up in a bunch of trade talks, but the team wanted more for him. Had he stayed in Chicago, he very well might have been starting. I think the Wiz were pleasantly surprised to be able to pick him up for so little.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

People the difference between playing Wall who is hurt a bunch of minutes versus other rookies who weren't hurt is a problem with the coach and the organization he works for.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 16, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I think the Wiz were pleasantly surprised to be able to pick him up for so little.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Pleasantly surprised?

Ernie was so excited he didn't need to take his blue pill for a month after the trade.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 16, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I think the Wiz were pleasantly surprised to be able to pick him up for so little.

Who wouldnt be? Here's a guy who can check 3 positions and do whatever you need at any given time to help the team win. Hits 3s, check Paul Pierce and DWade, dish out assists, mentor John Wall. You name it. He was a steal.

Unfortunately, the above description was only accurate in the minds of EG and some folks posting here. The reality is an ok player that is neither here nor there, the deal looking good/great hinges on Seraphin's development.

Posted by: divi3 | December 16, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Ted Lose Grunfeld = TLG

Posted by: fakedude2 | December 16, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"...the above description was only accurate in the minds of EG and some folks posting here. The reality is an ok player that is neither here nor there, the deal looking good/great hinges on Seraphin's development."

This from somebody who asserts that Nick Young is the team's best player? Reality is apparently not your friend.

The Wiz were looking for another 1st round pick. Source: Ernest Grunfeld. They were happy to get Kirk Hinrich, too. Source: also Grunfeld. Had the Wiz not traded for Hinrich, Sacramento hoped to get him. Source: the Chicago media. The Bulls gave up Hinrich mainly to clear cap space for an effort to sign a big-name free agent. Source: Chicago management.

If I recall correctly, you were hoping the Wiz would turn around and package Hinrich for another pick. That's on the day the trade was made, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: fakedude2"

I'm beginning to suspect this is not the real fakedude2. It's fakedude3 or possibly fakedude4 masquerading as the genuine fakedude2.

You can't trust anybody anymore.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Allow me to disagree here, but I don't think the Hinrich deal was any good at all.

Hinrich is the 2nd highest paid player on the team. He isn't worth that on this Team. And Serephin, the no visa guy with the rehabilitating knee that couldn't sprechen no englishe, and still all we can say about him now is that he is tough.

The Hinrich deal looking at the entire picture is an ugly one. Mentoring Wall, give me a break. Should have stayed with the picks and drafted straight up IMO.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 16, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

This from somebody who asserts that Nick Young is the team's best player?

Who is better? Wall is out all the time, AB was playing poorly and is now injured, Gil is very up and down, KH isnt in the conversation, Mcgee is up and down.

The fact that NY is having the best season of anyone on the Wizards roster is more an indication of how bad the team is than how well he is playing.

Reality is apparently not your friend.

Speaking of reality, I said all summer that Nick is a better SG than KH/Gil, and that neither Kirk or Gil is suited to play the 2 spot as they're really 1s. That's basically what we are seeing, despite attempts to couch it with talk of 2 and 3 guard lineups.

Posted by: divi3 | December 16, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"Speaking of reality, I said all summer that Nick is a better SG than KH/Gil, and that neither Kirk or Gil is suited to play the 2 spot as they're really 1s. That's basically what we are seeing, despite attempts to couch it with talk of 2 and 3 guard lineups."

"The reality is an ok player that is neither here nor there"

You also said on a number of occasions that Kirk was 'terrible'. Now he's apparently been upgraded in your mind to 'OK'.

And you were the same guy who insisted all through camp that we should elevate our expectations for this iteration of the Wiz because of their young talent. You argued repeatedly against setting the bar too low by expecting them to lose a lot.

Like I said, reality is apparently not your friend. Except for the parts you prefer to remember.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

1) Wall has missed games because of injuries. Nobody's established he plays 'kamikaze' ball, whatever that may be. And nobody's established his injuries have resulted from anything more than routine basketball play.
Posted by: Samson151 | December 16, 2010 7:34 AM |

Man, you love to argue, and are full of sarcasm, I say Wall has a kamikaze style. He flies to the basket, splitting defenders, on a dead run, gets mangled and either runs into the goal post or goes flying to the floor numerous times a game. If not that, then he runs head on into a 250+ pound guy trying to take a charge. Once or twice a game may be routine for most players, but getting up off the floor repeatedly, and numerous times per game will get anyone hurt.

Saunders is too much in love with Wall to publicly question his ability to play. Wall and Hinrich are the only two players that he credits without prompting from reporters. He does not motivate this team. Half the people say let Wall sit until he heals the other half says he should play now. He has a long career in front of him, do you think he should put his, and the teams future on the line based on Flips judgment?

Blatche should stay bench until he is ready to be a complete player. His offenses does not offset the damage he does on defense. His soft post play make it where McGee has to play one on five basketball. 3 non defending guards and a soft PF = McGee as the lone post defender. No one can do it. Not Shaq, not Howard, not anyone. Flip needs to go.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | December 16, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the Hinrick hate? It's not the worst thing in the world for a rebuilding team to have a non-knucklehead who rarely gets hurt, can model good defense, and can be an adequate alternative PG. "Adequate" , "not a knucklehead" and "not always hurt" are not bad qualities for the current situation.

The Wiz are a lot less awful with Hinrick in the rotation than they were the last two years. "Rebuilding" means year after year of being less-terrible until the young talent finally grows into decentness.

If we were on the cusp of contention, then of course we'd want to move Hinrick averageness to make room for the last pieces (like Chicago did to get Boozer).

Either way, if we are going to attend games or spend an evening watching this team, it's nice to see a wizard occasionally do NBA-level stuff like defend and try hard. And Hinrick meets- even sometimes exceeeds-the low expectation that we should have for this year's team

Posted by: cballer | December 16, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

You can't trust anybody anymore.

Posted by: Samson151

Like Grunfeld.

Posted by: fakedude2 | December 16, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

And Serephin, the no visa guy with the rehabilitating knee that couldn't sprechen no englishe, and still all we can say about him now is that he is tough.

The Hinrich deal looking at the entire picture is an ugly one. Mentoring Wall, give me a break. Should have stayed with the picks and drafted straight up IMO.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Seraphin = Pecherov

Posted by: fakedude2 | December 16, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Good thinkin'. I think that's the way the Lakers, Celts, and other success stories have always built their teams. By doing a bunch of stuff to make the fans feel good about positive change.

Probably on Red Auerbach's headstone...

Posted by: Samson151

How dare you use the name of these great team and this great man when talking about the MOST dysfunctional franchise in the NBA - the WIZ? Until this (drunk?)GM is removed this franchise is going nowhere!!!

Posted by: fakedude2 | December 16, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

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