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Posted at 3:18 PM ET, 01/ 3/2011

Hinrich, Yi return to practice

By Paul Tenorio

Both guard Kirk Hinrich (thigh) and forward Yi Jianlian (knee) returned to practice on Monday at Verizon Center, and the two said they felt encouraged by their continued progress returning from injury.

Hinrich sported a pair of athletic glasses that he said were for protective purposes, not corrective. Hinrich said he had an eye exam and was told he should wear the glasses and that they had nothing to do with the black eye he picked up against the Chicago Bulls on Dec. 22.

"Today was the first day with them," Hinrich said. "Definitely not used to them yet, just trying to get adjusted to wearing them."

The only player not on the practice floor was Josh Howard. Andray Blatche rolled his ankle on a fast break late in the 30-minute scrimmage portion of practice that the media watched, but said he would be fine.

Yi, who played five scoreless minutes against Indiana on Dec. 31 but did not play against New Orleans, said he hopes to get a few minutes on Wednesday at Philadelphia.

"The only guy that didn't really go today was Josh, who is still a little sore so we kept him out," Wizards Coach Flip Saunders said. "Everybody else practiced. Yi is definitely rusty from not playing much, and just trying to get some of the guys back to get some continuity."

Some other quick hits from practice ...
-- During the 30-minute open portion of practice Hinrich did not seem hampered by the injury and helped up the session to a high pace with his energy. Saunders said his return would be a welcome boost to the team, especially defensively. "His leadership and his ability to defend, just having his leadership down the stretch when things go a little bit haywire, you want to have someone in that backcourt who has been through it a little bit," Saunders said.  

-- Rookie John Wall was flying all over the court - the media members present counted him hitting the floor hard five times during that half-hour alone, including once where he got up gingerly after running into a pick.

-- Blatche sat out the remainder of practice after rolling his ankle on the fast break, but did not appear to have any limp when he left the locker room after the workout.

By Paul Tenorio  | January 3, 2011; 3:18 PM ET
 
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Maybe some of Blatche's laziness can rub off on Wall, so he doesn't try as hard and doesn't hit floor so many times. That's veteran leadership.

Posted by: JustinChuck189 | January 3, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"His leadership and his ability to defend, just having his leadership down the stretch when things go a little bit haywire, you want to have someone in that backcourt who has been through it a little bit," Saunders said.

Since the games aren't on national TV and I don't get to see them play that often can someone help me out?

I was wondering if having Kirk in the game down the stretch is such a great thing, why didn't Flip have him in the games where the Wizards lost the lead in 4th quarter?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 3, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

KH is not a star.He is not good on defending quick SG's, he put good pressure on ball and try to affect the offensive flow of the opponent teams.The most important value of KH is his experiance as a back up PG. If he take wall's 15 minutes and 15 minutes from NY, the team will be much better, the problem is they late him play 45 minutes.

Posted by: gtefferra | January 3, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

mannn sacremento wants to trade Casspi and Landry....GET BLATCHE OUTTA HERE!

Posted by: mrhney03 | January 3, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

@ gtefferra

i completly agree. hes a good backup point gaurd, but the problem is flip saunders likes him too muchhhh. he should play all those mins, and is NOT good at gaurding SG's of SF's, hes simply a backup point gaurd. let nick young and josh howard play SG in crunch time

Posted by: skinsfan09 | January 3, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Cousins and Blatche on the same team? Yikes. Paul Westphal will have hung himself from the practice gym rim with his own tie inside a month.

I wouldn't mind having Landry on board, though. A solid player who understands and fills his role. He'd make a nice role model for Serphin as well.

Don't see it happenin' though.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

@ Kal, true, but Westphal and Peotrie are about to get Canned anyway they need to do something to improve their team...Move Cousins to the 5, slide blatche and they have a legit scorer to go along with Evans

(unless ur talking about the attitudes of cousins and blatche) ^^^^^^^^

and in return we get a wing player with Casspi (an unknown quantity) and Landry who has career averages of 12 ppg and 3 rbs...i think Sacremento would potentially get the better end of the deal.

and we can just get rid of blatche and his toxic attitude

Posted by: mrhney03 | January 3, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"(unless ur talking about the attitudes of cousins and blatche) "

Exactly. Given Cousins' well documented discipline and attitude issues, I don't see that having Blatche whispering in his ear is something the Kings wanna have.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I understand that we have three draft picks, what are they working-on?

Posted by: closg | January 3, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Casspi is basically a 3 point shooter on offense and a sharp elbows guy under the boards. He's shooting 41.6% from the arc. The Knicks are leading, and they just lost Gillinari for several weeks. Chicago is also reportedly interested. But Sacramento doesn't have a lot of incentive to move him unless the deal is good.

Landry is supposedly planning to test the FA market and leave Sacramento if he can find a decent offer. So the pressure to move him is greater.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I can't see Sacramento making that deal with us (Blatche for Casspi, Landry). Mainly because they don't need AB. They have a similar player in Jason Thompson already.

I like Landry's attitude and what he brings to the table. He'd be a good fit for this team, but his presence, along with Rashard Lewis, would mean that Booker would rarely see the floor. Landry's not a pure inside scorer though, so that would continue to be a weakness. If Flip's intention though is to continue to have the ball dominated by the guards, Landry's a better fit for that.

I also like Casspi. I think the kid is a tough competitor and he's a good shooter. Obviously we have a bit of a logjam at SF right now though. So they'd have to send one of ours back in the deal.

If they are seriously interested in moving AB, I can think of worse deals. The D effort and hustle would improve overall. They would lose size, but Landry plays more physically around the basket.

It's interesting to consider, but I can't see Sacramento doing it, given that they already have a player like AB and given AB's contract.

Posted by: ts35 | January 3, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Let's go get a solid pg now and a better center in the draft. Keep McGEE, and lose JIANLIAN and HUDSON. Use BLATCHE in trade if necessary, and continue going forward in 2012.........IF there's a labor agreement of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 3, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Quite often when teams shop players, the player you go to market with isn't the guy that gets moved. The Wiz are in rebuild mode, only guy that is pretty much untouchable is Wall. And Blake Griffin wouldn't even come close to being enough to pry him loose.

You don't build a winner around a power forward, but you do build one around an exceptional point guard. Wall's a 20 yr old rookie, he's going to get schooled some nights like Paul just did to him. But the impact of Wall is undeniable, this kid is a once in a generation type of talent.

Now the Wizards have to go about building a team and providing an organization to build a winner around him. Leonsis got lucky in the lottery and got his cornerstone, now he's got to take a look at everything and determine if, it, or they, are a peice that fit around him to build a winner. That includes Ernie and Flip.

The whole process is a whole lot deeper then the latest "trade Blatche" buzz. Question is, if you move your only lowpost threat, what are you trying to get in return?

Things like Butler's injury in Dallas can be seen as opportunities for a team prepared to take the long view in a rebuilding process. Others, like a former #2 pick like Thabeet, buried deep on a bench with no route to minutes, cry for a GM with a sharp eye. Total bust pick? Or, player with a narrow skil set in the totally wrong system?

It's going to take a master builder with a master plan, Ted's going to have to be overall builder, he's going to have to determine if Flip and Ernie are the guys to build his team for him.

It's going to take a more skilled and nuanced decision then just, Fire Ernie, Fire Flip, trade Blatche.

You could do all 3 tomorrow and we'd still be looking at a 20-25 win season.

What then???
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | January 3, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

And as far as the difference between the Clipper model and the Thunder model, it's pretty simple: Long-term vision and planning.

The Clippers have a long history of drafting high and selling low. They've drafted a lot of talented players over the years, only to send them packing for cheaper (and generally less talented) replacements when it came time to renew (and, inevitably, increase the size of) their contracts. As a result, they're in an almost constant state of turnover with no continuity or stability.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

And as far as the difference between the Wizards model and the Clipper model, it's pretty simple:

The Clippers have a long history of drafting...a lot of talented players over the years

While The Wizards haven't.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 3, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

What then???
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | January 3, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

GM,

There are times in life and business when a change is needed to get different results.

If you ever read my posts you would know I wasn't a big Abe fan because he kept running the team the same way and get the same results.

I don't see how keeping Ernie and Flip in place doesn't get the Wizards the same results as they have right now.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 3, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz are in rebuild mode, only guy that is pretty much untouchable is Wall. And Blake Griffin wouldn't even come close to being enough to pry him loose.

I dont know about that, Griffin is an absolute beast. We lament being soft and perimeter oriented for years on end, that guy flips the equation overnight.

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2011 8:09 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz are in rebuild mode, only guy that is pretty much untouchable is Wall. And Blake Griffin wouldn't even come close to being enough to pry him loose.

I dont know about that, Griffin is an absolute beast. We lament being soft and perimeter oriented for years on end, that guy flips the equation overnight.

Posted by: divi3

You also have to factor in that talented PGs are easier to come by these days than talented bigs.

Posted by: ts35 | January 3, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I dunno about calling Wall a "once in a generation" type player....

That's Magic Johnson.

In THIS generation...you have Paul, Deron Williams, Rose who are all upper echelon type players.

I'd let him go for Blake Griffin straight up. Build with a big man...the next great PG comes around just about every year it seems like now.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 3, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

The Clippers have a long history of drafting...a lot of talented players over the years

While The Wizards haven't.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

That's primarily because the Clippers have been worse over the years than even the Wizards/Bullets, so they've generally had better draft position.

Of course, the Clippers do have an almost unprecedented history of letting go of good talent even when they get it.

Posted by: ts35 | January 3, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"You also have to factor in that talented PGs are easier to come by these days than talented bigs.Posted by: ts35"

I don't know how you'd choose between them. I doubt the Clips or Wiz are considering unloading either one.

Of the two, Griffin is probably the more impactful at the moment, because of his scoring and rebounding. Blake is a year and a half older and played two seasons in the Big 12. IMO the Clips are the stronger team, but bigger underachievers.

Scouts greatly admired Griffin's game at Oklahoma, but they stood around and gawked at what Wall did to established players while he was still in high school.

If Griffin were a 7' center, that would substantially increase his value. As it is he's valuable enough.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

"I dunno about calling Wall a "once in a generation" type player....That's Magic Johnson.In THIS generation...you have Paul, Deron Williams, Rose who are all upper echelon type players...the next great PG comes around just about every year it seems like now.
Posted by: SDMDTSU"

Seems like it, but that's because we've been on a little run of them. Paul and Deron Williams in 2005, Rose in 2008. Before them, there was something of a dry spell. Some outstanding players, but the last really dominant PG was Allen Iverson, and some would argue he wasn't really a PG at all.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd give you two John Wall's for Blake Griffith. Get real, John Wall is a good point guard but has a long way to go to be a game changer. This kid has a number of deficiencies, most notably being his outside shot, midrange game, defensive lapses and decision making. He needs time to develop and just needs to play and learn rather than live up to the unwise hype this organization has placed on him.

Blake Griffin has the talent to be a superstar already and is destined to be an All Star next year (if not this year).

Posted by: NewManagement | January 3, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Why AB has to go for noting? He will have value by midseason or next season. we are not wining or planing to move a contract.Dallas might be interested to give us back BH, what do you think?

Posted by: gtefferra | January 3, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

It's purely IMO, but I think Wall has, all things considered, been little short of amazing to this point. You read articles about how Derrick Rose or Chris Paul outplays him, and it's easy to forget that by all rights, they really SHOULD outplay him. These are among the very best the NBA (and the world) has to offer, versus a kid with 15 career starts to date.

Deron Williams has 387. Rajon Rondo has 284. Yet a nervous Wall goes for 12 and 10 assists against Chris Paul. Chris Paul! Too many TOs, sure. But you could see all that changing in the not too distant future.

And the Wiz are not exactly a great supporting cast.

I can't remember which coach said it, but I thought it a warning: if that kid develops a jump shot, he could be unguardable.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

"Dallas might be interested to give us back BH, what do you think?Posted by: gtefferra"

Big no. Seen how much he's getting paid?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Paul,William,Rose, Iverson,Westbrook,how many rings do they have? YOU build a team from your center, point guard are a dime a dozen, a point guard that shoots more than 10 times a game is not worth having[SEE RONDO].

Posted by: maejude | January 3, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"I'd give you two John Wall's for Blake Griffith" posted by NewManage4ment

LOL I'll take that deal. In a heartbeat.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"YOU build a team from your center..."
Posted by: maejude

Which Blake Griffin is not.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Seems like it, but that's because we've been on a little run of them. Paul and Deron Williams in 2005, Rose in 2008. Before them, there was something of a dry spell. Some outstanding players, but the last really dominant PG was Allen Iverson, and some would argue he wasn't really a PG at all.

Posted by: Samson151

Depends on how you classify guys like Wade and Evans who dominate the ball and rack up assists but wouldn't really be called PGs. Those are the breed that are more prevalent these days. Westbrook certainly started in that school, too, though he is evolving into more of an actual PG.

Imo, having a dominant PG is less important to team success than a dominant big man.

Posted by: ts35 | January 3, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

What's with Blatche and an attitude? The guy is being hung out to dry over an episode from a year ago where he was accused of refusing to re-enter a game and, although some "analysts" persist in repeating their inaccurate reporting, that accusation was refuted. The guy was in great shape when he broke his foot during the summer (ask Ted L.). The recovery prevented him from maintaining his conditioning. He subsequently injured his hip. That has yet to heal 100%. He is playing through a series of injuries and trying to get back to 100%. He is struggling with an offense that puts him 20-25 feet from the basket, and yet expects him to score from there. If you want to be a critic, watch the games. Isolating on a four-frame, 1-second video sequence where an individual appears to not move his feet and then proclaiming that that is proof that he doesn't play defense is exactly the type of BS that I would expect from someone who has only been involved in the game from the periphery. Blatche's responsibility on that play was to make certain that the man he was watching didn't keep the ball and have an open 10 footer. The responsibility for defending the basket (if Lewis couldn't keep up...which he didn't) was on the weak-side defender...in this case JaVale, who did a good job. You folks aren't reporting; you are throwing mud.

Posted by: getabigboyoffense | January 3, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Some outstanding players, but the last really dominant PG was Allen Iverson, and some would argue he wasn't really a PG at all.

He wasn't, but Nash was in that draft class and Billups came a year later. Between Billups and Deron Williams, I can only come up with Tony Parker.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 3, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Funny that the Blatche video with the pick and roll defense against Boston is private now.

Let the conspiracy theories begin...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 3, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Andray Blatche is in the Illuminati.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | January 3, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Or appletini

Posted by: djnnnou | January 3, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: getabigboyoffense

Well, in the interests of fairness and accuracy, in that incident, he did completely blow off his coach's attempt to talk to him (coincidentally about his defense) on the way to the bench. Whether or not he refused or declined to re-enter the game, I think even AB admitted that he didn't want to talk to his head coach (which was a prerequisite to re-entering the game). Flip's response was definitely over-the-top and equally vague, but I believe that that much was established.

He was also suspended for a game earlier last season for conduct detrimental to the team. And again, obviously, this season for the McGee incident.

So it's not like in recent memory there haven't been *some* issues.

Posted by: ts35 | January 3, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"Why AB has to go for noting? He will have value by midseason or next season. we are not wining or planing to move a contract.Dallas might be interested to give us back BH, what do you think?"

Posted by: gtefferra | January 3, 2011 9:27 PM

I think I'd rather have Blatche.

And I don't think there's a GM in the NBA who wouldn't trade a John Wall for a Blake Griffin. Kid's a monster. And the thing is, people are so wowed by his hops and dunks that it gets glossed over that he's really a smart, skilled player. Skill a bit raw and needs some refining, but he's got a solid feel for the game beyond just throwin' it down.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2011 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"You could do all 3 tomorrow and we'd still be looking at a 20-25 win season.

What then???"

Posted by: flohrtv | January 3, 2011 7:51 PM

Then you keep making moves and keep building. It's not about trying to win an extra 10 or 15 games this season. If that's the impetus for any of the moves then they're likely the wrong ones. Too much short-term thinking is what landed the franchise in the the situation it was in last season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2011 10:53 PM | Report abuse

"I can't remember which coach said it, but I thought it a warning: if that kid develops a jump shot, he could be unguardable."

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 9:31 PM

4 of 8 from 3 pt line in his last three games. (He's about 35% on the season, which isn't terrible.) Granted, he's not exactly a volume shooter from 3, so the sample size is relatively small, but he appears to have some decent raw ingredients.

Actually, for a guy with his speed and penetrating ability, I think a pull up, midrange jumper may be even more important a weapon than the 3 pointer.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 3, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

And I don't think there's a GM in the NBA who wouldn't trade a John Wall for a Blake Griffin

At least a couple of GMs would hesitate on a Blake Griffin that missed an entire season with knee surgery.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 3, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse

seriously, you trade JW for Griffin in about 2 seconds and I would be shocked if that were not nearly unanimous amongst NBA GM's. I think there is a little too much hype with JW at the moment. He looks to be a very solid player. But, HOF material, all-time greats, championship caliber? I am not sold on those sorts of accolades or predictions for him.

Griffin already looks like a once or twice in a generation type power player. And, the elephant in the room is that JW appears to be injury prone. His all out style can be fun to watch, but it's also slightly reckless and out of control and he's not exactly built like LeBron James.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 3, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse

"Imo, having a dominant PG is less important to team success than a dominant big man.Posted by: ts35"

Well, if you count championship rings, that certainly seems to be the case. It's a game that really favors height.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 11:45 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, for a guy with his speed and penetrating ability, I think a pull up, midrange jumper may be even more important a weapon than the 3 pointer.Posted by: kalo_rama"

That's a very good observation. Guys like Rose, Evans, and Rondo have flowered without a 3 point shot. Although it appears Rose developed one during the offseason.

I guess for Wall the main advantage of a 3 pointer would be drawing the defense out of the zone. But most of his points would come from a pull-up jumper and of course, those drives to the basket.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

a nervous Wall goes for 12 and 10 assists against Chris Paul. Chris Paul!

He's also looked ordinary matched up against Jose Calderon, DJ Augistin, and Raymond Felton. Jury is still out, I'm afraid.

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2011 11:50 PM | Report abuse

His all out style can be fun to watch, but it's also slightly reckless and out of control and he's not exactly built like LeBron James.

The reports from today are a little disconcerting....come on kid, we talkin 'bout PRACTICE

Posted by: divi3 | January 3, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

"seriously, you trade JW for Griffin in about 2 seconds and I would be shocked if that were not nearly unanimous amongst NBA GM's....Griffin already looks like a once or twice in a generation type power player." Posted by: rphilli721

Griffin looks great. Amazingly productive, a 20 and 10 player already. The Clips have handed him the keys and said, 'do your thing.' And he is.

Trade him for Wall straight up? You'd really have to think about that. He's not a center (not Dwight Howard, in other words), so no, I don't think I do it.

But like somebody said, we're not getting the chance, so why debate it?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 11:55 PM | Report abuse

"He's also looked ordinary matched up against Jose Calderon, DJ Augistin, and Raymond Felton. Jury is still out, I'm afraid."Posted by: divi3

Jury's always out at start number 15.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Just a couple observations about Blake Griffin. First, he's not particularly big for a PF. One of a group that measured 6'8.5" without shoes, which translates to 6'10" with, or the same as Amare Stoudemire, Taj Gibson, and (way back when) Juwan Howard. As you probably heard, Griffin has short arms, so his standing reach is 3-4" less than Amare or Taj, his wingspan about 2-3" less. He's a very good jumper but not in a class with Stoudemire when he came out. His main advantages over other athletic PFs are his great raw strength and the willingness to just outwork his opponents. Those are big advantages indeed.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

He's also looked ordinary matched up against Jose Calderon, DJ Augistin, and Raymond Felton. Jury is still out, I'm afraid.

Posted by: divi3

The only jury that is out for me is whether the kid will be around long enough to develop. Pure speed is great, but there have been plenty of great PGs without that type of speed. Learning when and how to use it will be key. Like McGee's ability to block shots, just the threat of it can be enough to change games. Dwayne Wade has run into the same issues. He used to attack with reckless abandon and suffered injuries as a result.

It's also worth noting that Felton was taken right after Deron Williams and CP3. They literally went 3, 4, 5. He's not quite in their class, but he's no slouch.

Posted by: ts35 | January 4, 2011 12:45 AM | Report abuse

"I guess for Wall the main advantage of a 3 pointer would be drawing the defense out of the zone. But most of his points would come from a pull-up jumper and of course, those drives to the basket."

Posted by: Samson151 | January 3, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

The value of the pull-up mid-ranger isn't just from scoring for himself. The ability to hit that shot off dribble penetration opens up the whole floor for a player with superior court vision. Once he gets into the lane, the defense will start to rotate and react based on what they anticipate he's going to do. If he can't hit the pull up--if his primary weapon for scoring off the dribble is finishing at the rim--then they'll pack the lane and either (A) make him finish over size or (B) give him the pull up figuring the odds of him hitting it are low enough to make the gamble worth it. If he can hit it, however, then once he beats his man and gets to that spot on the floor, his options are wide open. If they stay packed in he can pull up and hit the mid-ranger. If they step out to take it away, then he can see enough of the floor to (depending on where the help comes from) hit the open man (either spotted up or cutting) or, if he can beat the secondary defender, he can get to the rim and finish with less traffic.

Obviously, in order to pull it off requires great court vision and the ability to read and react very quickly. Remains to be seen if Wall has the goods on that level, but if he does, that middle of the floor shot could be a major weapon.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 12:49 AM | Report abuse

"He's a very good jumper but not in a class with Stoudemire when he came out."

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 12:10 AM

Oooh, I don't know about that one.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 12:51 AM | Report abuse


"After the Amar'e Stoudemire signing, the Knicks likely didn't have room for Arenas unless Eddy Curry's deal was in the trade"

NY Post says Knicks wanted Gilbert but EG wouldn't take Eddy Curry. Say what you want to about EG, surprised he didn't take the bait while so many here would have signed off because they wanted Gil out of here at any cost.

Posted by: zack9633 | January 4, 2011 1:42 AM | Report abuse

NY Post says Knicks wanted Gilbert but EG wouldn't take Eddy Curry. Say what you want to about EG, surprised he didn't take the bait while so many here would have signed off because they wanted Gil out of here at any cost.


Posted by: zack9633 | January 4, 2011 1:42 AM | Report abuse

What bait?

Curry has one year left on his contract while Lewis has 3 and since Ted has told us he is commited to the youth movement I believe the Curry trade would make more sense.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 4, 2011 1:51 AM | Report abuse

I'd take anything the NY Post says with a mountain-sized grain of salt.

If that deal was on the table and Grunfeld didn't take it, I'd sure like to know why. Given the $6+ mill salary diff between Arenas and Curry, the Knicks would have had to throw in some other contracts to make it work, but even then, the savings to the Wiz would still have been enormous.

Honestly, though, I doubt that deal was ever on the table. I find it hard to believe the Knicks would be willing to surrender that much cap room in a deal for a player with so many question marks in what would basically have been a panic move in response to missing out on Lebron. That's the kind of deal Isiah would have made. Donnie Walsh is smarter than that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 2:30 AM | Report abuse

"He's a very good jumper but not in a class with Stoudemire when he came out."

LOL I probably should have rephrased that -- because he lacks length, he didn't get up as high as Amare at the Combine.

Standing and Max Vertical:
Griffin: 11'5", 11.8.5"
Stoudemire: 11/8.6", 12.0"

They actually jumped about the same. One other difference: Griffin did 22 reps on the bench, Amare 12.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't think most GMs or head coaches around the league would willingly take Eddy Curry. That could turn out to be subtraction by addition.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

It's not about Curry, it's about the contract. As soon as the trade's done start working on a buyout. If his agent won't agree to a buyout, just waive him out right, cut him a check for the full $11+ mill left on his contract and say, "Here ya go, fat boy. Don't spend it all ion one place and try not to let the door hit you i the ass on the way out."

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I probably should have rephrased that -- because he lacks length, he didn't get up as high as Amare at the Combine.

Might wanna ask Timofy Mosgov about that.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"Might wanna ask Timofy Mosgov about that.
Posted by: divi3"

Tim was at the Combine?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"If his agent won't agree to a buyout, just waive him out right, cut him a check for the full $11+ mill left on his contract and say, "Here ya go, fat boy. Don't spend it all ion one place and try not to let the door hit you i the ass on the way out."Posted by: kalo_rama'

You wonder why NY hasn't done that...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Here's that Timofey Mozgov facial in case somebody missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYJ4R6CxqEM

No fair pushing off on his head with your left hand however -- deduct two full style points...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

No fair pushing off on his head with your left hand however -- deduct two full style points

That's one of the best dunks in league history, I'm adding style points for the push off

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"You wonder why NY hasn't done that..."

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 10:11 AM

Because they're still holding out hope they can use him in a trade for a significant player (or players) under contract to some other team, not available on the FA market. Once the trade deadline approaches and teams start clearing the decks in anticipation of a lockout/new CBA, there will be some deals available for Curry. Given where the Wizards are in rebuilding, however, that really wouldn't be an issue for them. The cap space, getting rid of Arenas, and (presumably) the draft pick they'd wheedle out of the Knicks would be the goals.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"That's one of the best dunks in league history, I'm adding style points for the push off"

Add another couple for the way he manged to basically just throw the ball down into the rim despite the fact that he actually came up short of it.

LOL I probably should have rephrased that -- because he lacks length, he didn't get up as high as Amare at the Combine.

Standing and Max Vertical:
Griffin: 11'5", 11.8.5"
Stoudemire: 11/8.6", 12.0"

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 8:54 AM

I gotta think that once a guy gets to the point where he's eye level with the rim (which Griffin does often) that 3-inch difference in reach ceases to be a meaningful factor.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Griffin has short arms, so his standing reach is 3-4" less than Amare or Taj, his wingspan about 2-3" less.

Anytime you find yourself questioning Blake Griffin relative to Taj Gibson, you've gone too deep into the Combine.

Posted by: divi3 | January 4, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Re: the Knicks keeping Curry . . . Two words: Carmelo Anthony.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 4, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The Combine's the only objective measurements we have for most players. Team's... well, teams tend to hype their own players. But things could change -- players could grow, go on conditioning programs, improve their performance.

One thing they probably don't do is get much taller than they were at the Combine. Height tends to max at 20 and remain steady til age 50, when we begin to settle, much like a building. That 5" reach advantage that Josh Howard has over Nick Young is probably still there several years later. When Nick jumps, much of it is erased. But he has to jump to erase it -- farther to go, in other words.

But I'm just making the point that Blake Griffin is only average length-wise for a PF in the NBA. His advantages are in other areas.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

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