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Posted at 8:03 AM ET, 01/31/2011

Remembering a (preseason) road win

By Michael Lee
Morning brew

There is a misconception that the Wizards don't know how to play basketball on the road. That's not necessarily true. They have been able to win games away from Verizon Center this season -- just not games that count.

It's probably easy to forget, since the Wizards are off to the third-worst road start in NBA history with 23 straight losses, but John Wall actually led the team to a road win in his preseason debut. Wall scored 21 points and handed out nine assists as the Wizards defeated the Dallas Mavericks, 97-94, at American Airlines Center. The win, though, was overshadowed by bizarre comments by Gilbert Arenas that eventually turned out to be prophetic when he was traded to Orlando two months later.

But that was an exhibition game, and both teams have headed in opposite directions since that meeting. The Wizards (13-33) are last in the Southeast Division and headed toward a third consecutive lottery appearance, while the Mavericks have the third-best record in the Western Conference despite a season-ending injury to former Wizard Caron Butler.

"You would expect them to be one of the top teams in the league with the pieces they have -- [Jason] Kidd, Dirk [Nowitzki], those two are perennial all-stars, future Hall of Famers, you would expect them to do that," said former Mavericks swingman Josh Howard, who will miss his return to Dallas with as he recovers from left knee tendinitis.

The Mavericks (31-15) have won four games in a row, but they have lost four games at home this to Eastern Conference opponents, including two teams with losing records in Toronto and Milwaukee. The game will be the first regular season game against Dallas since the two teams made a blockbuster trade that swapped Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson for Howard, James Singleton, Quinton Ross and Drew Gooden.

But the Wizards are focused on avoiding moving closer to matching the 1992-93 Mavericks for the all-time record for road futility to start the season with 29 consecutive losses.

"Do we think about it? Yeah. But when the ball is thrown up, our guys aren't thinking about the streak. Just like when the balls thrown up, you don't think about the game you played before," Coach Flip Saunders. "What we've got to be able to do, we've got to focus on our ability to play Dallas. We can't worry about the games we just played. That's not going to change what we do. We've been right there and some nights we haven't."

FROM THE POST
The Wizards may be struggling on the road, but John Wall is finding some comforts at his home in D.C. -- if only he knew how to cook. You can get a short tour and view some photographs of his apartment.

Josh Howard is back in Dallas, but he won't be playing. Still out with a left knee injury, Howard is trying to bring some leadership to the young Wizards.

Rookies Wall and Trevor Booker are getting some lessons on this four-game road trip.

The Wizards set a new record for the third-worst road start in NBA history at 0-23. After the loss in Memphis, Nick Young was critical of the game plan.

Rashard Lewis spoke about Memphis guard O.J. Mayo's 10-game suspension for testing positive for the same banned substance that he took two years ago.

With the JaVale McGee out with the flu, the Wizards brought out the Cook Book against Oklahoma City. Trevor Booker had the best game of his career.

AROUND THE WEB
Jon Kelman finds surprising hope while handing out keys to the palace (Bullets Forever).

Kyle Weidie takes a closer look at Flip Saunders and Wizards management in general (DCist).

After yesterday's loss to the Heat, DC native and Thunder star Kevin Durant called Miami's Chris Bosh a "fake tough guy" (Darnell Mayberry, The Oklahoman).

A great profile of Mavericks center Tyson Chandler by Sports Illustrated's Lee Jenkins.

The Knicks have reached an agreement with former Denver Nuggets general manager Mark Warkentien to join the Knicks as a high-level consultant, a move that could aid New York's pursuit of Carmelo Anthony (CBSSports.com).

By Michael Lee  | January 31, 2011; 8:03 AM ET
Categories:  Morning brew  
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Comments

im glad someone finally called out flip saunders for being a sorry coach. good job nick young! only if other people will start doing that too. flip has got to go, it gets tiring hearing him blame it on the players constantly.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | January 31, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

How does O'Brien get fired from Indy before Flip loses his job? I know the Pacers haven't dropped 23 straight road contests.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 31, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

leonsis is either an idiot when it comes to knowing the game of basketball, or hes just to cheap to fire flip.

Posted by: skinsfan09 | January 31, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

The DCist article is interesting because it talks about the financial considerations behind firing Ernie and Flip. I was really hoping to see these jokers go, especially before the draft, which they will screw-up, and because they have no motivational skills, but it sounds like their contracts are too $ and long to eat for a cost-conscious Ted. http://dcist.com/2011/01/wizards_looking_forward_with_dead_w.php

Posted by: DKSW | January 31, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Guess this about sums it up:

Roster changes may likely come this season, as Leonsis is ever-thirsty for more draft picks and is always willing to cut salary. But in terms of Flip Saunders, get used to the weathered look on the old teacher's face for the rest of the year as his players decide whether to quit on him or not on a game-by-game basis. Get used to Grunfeld's excruciatingly generic press conference speak as he attempts to follow Leonsis' plan and clean up the mess he's made, from players and their lack of significant development to the historically criticized team doctors and medical staff. Saunders and Grunfeld aren't necessarily the team leaders of the future, but they're the dead weight the franchise is stuck with now. The intense phase of rebuilding has yet to begin for the Washington Wizards, and it could still be a slow, painful process once it does.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Yikes!

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 31, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Saunders and Grunfeld aren't necessarily the team leaders of the future, but they're the dead weight the franchise is stuck with now. The intense phase of rebuilding has yet to begin for the Washington Wizards, and it could still be a slow, painful process once it does."

i agree. good article. seems like wel be stuck with that bumb flip

Posted by: skinsfan09 | January 31, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how Samson151 squares that article. Will he question the dead weight part of it? He certainly has given BulletsFan78 major grief for essentially saying the same.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 31, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

This is a sad day knowing we cant fire Flip :(.......

Posted by: YEAwizards | January 31, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"i agree...seems like wel be stuck with that bumb flip Posted by: skinsfan09"

Apparently for these reasons:
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/1/20/1946173/theres-no-reason-to-fire-flip-saunders-in-the-middle-of-the-season

About the Pacers' firing of Jim O'Brien: Feeling I get is that it was about the playoffs. Bird promised Herb Simon and the fans a master plan that led to a rebuilt club and a playoff berth in year 3 under O'Brien. Currently, it's the middle of year 4. O'Brien, who can count, realized he'd be fired at season's end if the club didn't reach the playoffs, so he abandoned his nurturing stance a month or two back & began pushing his players hard. Bird wasn't happy; after all, his job depends on that core of young players he promised. He replaced O'Brien, who seemed happy enough to go, with Frank Vogel. Frank has been told that if the club makes the playoffs, he gets first interview for the permanent post. Otherwise he's probably history. But he'll have to do it without putting pressure on the younger players.

Bird's own contract ends this season. The consensus is he'll make some moves quickly, then hope Simon gives him another year to sign some FAs.

And the bus moves on, with yet another coach under the wheels...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

btw in fairness to Nick Young can anyone that think Nick should not have say what he said about Flip can give me a good reason why he should not have??? very interested in these comments. Thank You :)

Posted by: YEAwizards | January 31, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

And the bus moves on, with yet another coach under the wheels

The guy is given 3 1/2 years and the team is moving backwards...but he was thrown under the bus?? Has there EVER been a coach you thought didn't do a good job?

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

My view is, there's always a reason to fire a coach of a losing team, if you need one. Here are three:

1. Temporarily quiets your critics.
3. Players respond with renewed effort on the court, which looks better.
3. Obviously, because you can. Can't with players, even if secretly you'd like to.

There are also reasons not to fire a coach at midseason. Three of those:
1. It usually costs extra.
2. Any bump in performance is likely to be temporary.
3. The coach you really want probably isn't available.

The central issue is whether you the owner and GM believe, in your heart of hearts. that the team is ready to break out and perform at a higher level but the coach is holding them back. If you do, then you should proceed with replacing him. If you don't, common sense says you should wait.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

btw in fairness to Nick Young can anyone that think Nick should not have say what he said about Flip can give me a good reason why he should not have???

He shouldnt have said that stuff, players just arent supposed to do that. However I think it's fine that he did, probably about time for it. Flip was standing 5ft away from him telling reporters how bad Young was, so Nick shot back at him when the reporters interviewed him. All in all, not a big deal and likely just borne out of the frustration 0-23 causes for everyone involved.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"btw in fairness to Nick Young can anyone that think Nick should not have say what he said about Flip can give me a good reason why he should not have??? very interested in these comments. Thank You :)Posted by: YEAwizards"

It's a free country and we assume Nick can say whatever he wants, outside of praising Osama bin Laden or something like that. Still, coming off a poor performance, it makes him appear self-serving, like he's more interested in his personal numbers than the welfare of his struggling team. We know that's not true, of course, because we know our Nick. But that's how the untutored might perceive it.

Flip has a history of being very patient with young players. So it's doubtful he took it to heart. But Ernie might not have liked it. Or the GM of a team out in SoCal that Nick may hope is going to offer him a contract.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

LOL - No Bold Moves? Ted's response to the DCist piece. It definitely got under his skin.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 31, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

He shouldnt have said that stuff, players just arent supposed to do that. However I think it's fine that he did, probably about time for it. Flip was standing 5ft away from him telling reporters how bad Young was, so Nick shot back at him when the reporters interviewed him. All in all, not a big deal and likely just borne out of the frustration 0-23 causes for everyone involved.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 10:48 AM

I have to agree that a player should not said this stuff, but 0-23 and people think he a joke to said this come on now really =/. (i guess John wall our team leader have to said it to get the point out)

Posted by: YEAwizards | January 31, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

From the LA Times blog following the Celts loss:

"A disgrace!!! Fire Phil!!! He retiring at the end of this year, give him a gold watch and send him back to wherever!!!"

"Lakers need to get rid of dead beat players, walton, fisher, artest. bynum and gasoft are too soft act like they scared to get pushed. get some young players that want to play."

"...if our STILL WORLD CHAMPION LOS ANGELES LAKERS do get it together, there is going to be some serious payback happening...both in the playoffs, and on this blog."

"...really upset about the lost last night. Shannon Brown (mr. most improve player of the year) started off hot out the gates and now he cant find the bottom of the net. And Matt Barnes (mr. perfect game) cant find his shot either. Blake has been struggeling all year with his shot, despite a few games. It seems like the killer bees have lost their sting!!! Hopefoly we can borrow the Hornets sting tonight!!!"

I'm pretty sure I recognize the authors of a couple of those posts.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

It's a free country and we assume Nick can say whatever he wants, outside of praising Osama bin Laden or something like that. Still, coming off a poor performance, it makes him appear self-serving, like he's more interested in his personal numbers than the welfare of his struggling team. We know that's not true, of course, because we know our Nick. But that's how the untutored might perceive it.

Flip has a history of being very patient with young players. So it's doubtful he took it to heart. But Ernie might not have liked it. Or the GM of a team out in SoCal that Nick may hope is going to offer him a contract.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I know what you're saying here, and I'd agree, if NY's personal #s were better he might not have made the comments at all, but at least he'd have a stronger leg to stand on. But still, i'm not the only one who notices how they go away from NY in the 4th quarter. That's part of what he was talking about in being more vocal. i think he made those comments after a previous game with like only 3 4th quarter attempts. I dunno if i have very much confidence in other guys shooting the ball right now, maybe Rashard,Kirk, Cowboy Al and AB in that order after NY.
I think the offense and game plan against okc was solid and despite a bad shooting night NY was aggressive, got to the line,put Harden in fould trouble and defended well. He also hit some clutch shots when we needed them. I seriously doubt NY was saying that Flip run it the exact same way against MEM, but you gotta be consistent as Flip would say.
I also think Flip and NY had a lil run in in the first 5 mins of the game. Maybe some of yall caught it.Something about NY not hustling. Either way Flip pulled NY for Al with 7mis left in the first. After that there didn't look like much effort to get NY going like there was the night before.


BTW...really tired of all these rebounds hitting the floor. Our players bigs and guards alike, don't hustle to rebounds in the air. They try to look for someone else to grab it so they can leak out in transition. Every player is guilty of it. We're still a very undisciplined team.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 31, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

The better question is why did he feel the need to do it and not whether he should have done it.

How many times over and over again has Flip explained how the Team needs to play and do this or that, not get down on themselves, play with focus, on and on and on.

In all of his diatribes has he once said that he and the staff could have done a better job. How many times has Flip owned up to taking the hit for his players, either rightfully or just for the sake of just standing up for them.

If he has done it once, it probably pales at the number of times he puts the onus on them.

Maybe folks believe that Nick should not have said it but it needed to be said. How can you expect these players to sit mumbly by whilst being criticized all the time and noone is speaking up for them, except for some bloggers, like me for instance. Just a bit of humour.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 31, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"Has there EVER been a coach you thought didn't do a good job?Posted by: divi3"

Hmmm.. you coaching anywhere? But seriously, folks, Bob Kravitz of the Indy Star on the firing:

"This was the owner's call, pure and simple. This was Herb Simon rolling into team president Larry Bird's office last week and telling the Hoosier legend that a head coaching change must be made."

"The Indiana Pacers will try to sell it otherwise, and even Bird tried to sell it Sunday afternoon as his decision, but that's a complete fabrication. Simon wanted coach Jim O'Brien gone after the team's winless West Coast trip, and when that didn't happen, Simon insisted upon O'Brien's ouster after Wednesday's miserable home performance against Orlando."

"Mr. Simon was out there on the West Coast trip and at the time, I told him I was comfortable with Jimmy," Bird said Sunday. "But I wanted to see how we played on the trip. Then we came home against Orlando and the game was over after the first three minutes, so that's when I really started to think we needed to do something.

"And I called Mr. Simon up and told him and he said, 'Whatever you want to do.' So here we are. Hmmm."

"Let's just say the bull droppings left at the fieldhouse Sunday weren't all left by the Professional Bull Riders event."

"That said, it was the right move, the overdue move. This was the right time to make it, with plenty of time to turn this thing around and make a playoff run, and with season-ticket renewal deadlines quickly approaching."

"Which brings us to the next question (among many) . . .

"Even if Simon wants Bird back next season -- and that's very much up in the air, and should be up in the air -- does Bird really want to come back?"

"He has made a lot of noise recently about returning to a life of leisure, and he can't be at all happy that his hand-picked coach, O'Brien, was blown out by the team's owner. Remember, Bird told The Star's Mike Wells recently that O'Brien was going to remain the rest of the season, and there was nothing that could change his mind."

"Now O'Brien is out the door."

"You figure it out."

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"LOL - No Bold Moves? Ted's response to the DCist piece. It definitely got under his skin. Posted by: djnnnou"

He actually implied they'd pull Groupon ads from that site. This is a tough business guy speaking. Abe Pollin would have been proud.

Certainly no question that if Ted decides to fire Flip and Ernie, it'll be done in a heartbeat. But probably not because of something somebody said in the media, or in the comments section of a blog.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I also think Flip and NY had a lil run in in the first 5 mins of the game. Maybe some of yall caught it.Something about NY not hustling. Either way Flip pulled NY for Al with 7mis left in the first. After that there didn't look like much effort to get NY going like there was the night before.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 31, 2011 11:06 AM

This is interesting and telling lilhollywood10. I missed that. That could definitely upset the flow of the game and spoil any good play on Nick's part and the Team.

Small intangible things can mean so much to a fragile Team like the Wizards, especially on the road. Your best scorer gets pulled on the road. I was multi-tasking while watching the game and missed that.

I agree, that would affect Nick's play and probably the Teams as well.

Another example of Flip pushing any button and expecting the Team to perform without a glitch.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 31, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

A better question is why anyone cares what NY has to say about game plans. This is the same player that could care less about scouting reports, playing defense, etc. not that long ago, if he even does today. If someone with any sort of stature/high level of professionalism said something, I might pay attention. NY is just another whiny knucklehead and, although playing well for him, is putting up numbers on a bad rebuilding team. Who cares!

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 31, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

A better question is why anyone cares what NY has to say about game plans. This is the same player that could care less about scouting reports, playing defense, etc. not that long ago, if he even does today. If someone with any sort of stature/high level of professionalism said something, I might pay attention. NY is just another whiny knucklehead and, although playing well for him, is putting up numbers on a bad rebuilding team. Who cares!

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 31, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

doesn't seem like a BETTER question at all. BTW we know you don't like NY, but if we can't root for the guy playing very well on our bad team, should we root for the guys who are playing profoundly poor basketball?

@larry

i dunno if there's a replay of the game, i know NBA.com used to have game replays w/out commercials. I just checked the play by play, it says NY went out with 7:26 left in the first and didn't come back until the second quarter. It looked like one of those old NY-Flip deals where he made a mistake and was yanked, kinda surprised no one else saw it............maybe it was the Blue Dream.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 31, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The problem with Flip ain't that he can't coach(x's & o's), it's whatever it is that would possess a player like Nick Young to dare say what he said out of his mouth, true or not.. It's he's not hardcore enough and players just don't respect him. And I have talked to several of his former players that have said exactly that. Called him a joke, and said the players will do what they want to do....

I have long said Flip ain't the right coach for this bunch of nonprofessional idiots(speaking mostly about the guys left over from the old regime).

However, the great Phil Jackson would struggle with this bunch to win many games. With a guy like Blatche as a major piece of your team, what the hell do you expect..

I would not fire Flip either. And Grunfeld has added some nice pieces.Booker, Thornton,Hinrich and got rid of BOZO..I mean we are rebuilding what is expected!!

And we really just started the rebuild when Bozo went to Orlando..

Will Flip have to go, probably...But I would just as soon see Blatche be gone first and add one or two PROFESSIONAL VETERANS for leadership and let's see what we have.

This is a business. Flip would have to be paid and right now Flip ain't the problem.

Nick needs to Shut the F Up and just play and show up EVERY NIGHT..

We don't need to hear jack sh** from Nick Young..

Posted by: kevenjones | January 31, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

kinda surprised no one else saw it

I saw it, but assumed that he stayed out so long because he logged 51mins the night before. Then Flip trashed him in the postgame, and Nicholas had had enough apparently.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

A better question is why anyone cares what NY has to say about game plans. This is the same player that could care less about scouting reports, playing defense, etc. not that long ago, if he even does today. If someone with any sort of stature/high level of professionalism said something, I might pay attention. NY is just another whiny knucklehead and, although playing well for him, is putting up numbers on a bad rebuilding team. Who cares!

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 31, 2011 11:46 AM

I care if u got a team that can win 13-10 at home games and cant even get a dam win on the road 0-23 really. It sad but the fact is Flip cant coach this team no mopre nor do i believe he really had control over the players. No player should ever come out and said stuffr like this but 0-23 on the road and people come and say Nick(our second best player)should not said what he said is a joke to me. 0- 23 is when any player on a bad or good team can say whatever the hell they want until something change.

Posted by: YEAwizards | January 31, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Nick's more valuable to the team than Flip is, and after this season, likely more desirable to other teams than Flip is going to be after he's fired next year.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

the brutal thing about Nick's comments is they make Flip look worse than they do Nick. The audacity of a player of Nick's "stature" to come out and question Mr.50Win publicly speaks directly to all the knocks on Saunders ability as a head coach. The stuff that was being said about him before he got here.

He should probably start Cartier or Kirk tonight, just on principle.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Nick's more valuable to the team than Flip is, and after this season, likely more desirable to other teams than Flip is going to be after he's fired next year.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

you can STAMP that. Flip Saunders has done nothing since he got here to raise his profile as a coach, meanwhile some players have stood out despite the landfill that has become the washington wizards organization. Gotta think teams would rather take a chance adding NY,JM or AB to a team over an owner handing the reigns of a rebuilding or contending team to Flip Saunders.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 31, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

If one is truly speaking from the heart, the players can say whatever they want to say. Only the fake punk-azz internet tough guys TYPE out all that harsh critisizm that I never hear anyone saying in real day to day situations. Besides even if a comment gets the player in hot water, he himself has to deal with it. Not the people typing whom should shut up,etc...

Posted by: gmac78 | January 31, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

It looked like one of those old NY-Flip deals where he made a mistake and was yanked

No, it was the second time where he failed to make an effort to get a rebound coming his way. The first time ended up with Gasol getting an offensive rebound.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 31, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I also think Flip and NY had a lil run in in the first 5 mins of the game. Maybe some of yall caught it.Something about NY not hustling. Either way Flip pulled NY for Al with 7mis left in the first. After that there didn't look like much effort to get NY going like there was the night before.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 31, 2011 11:06 AM

This is interesting and telling lilhollywood10. I missed that. That could definitely upset the flow of the game and spoil any good play on Nick's part and the Team.

Small intangible things can mean so much to a fragile Team like the Wizards, especially on the road. Your best scorer gets pulled on the road. I was multi-tasking while watching the game and missed that.

I agree, that would affect Nick's play and probably the Teams as well.

Another example of Flip pushing any button and expecting the Team to perform without a glitch.

LarryInClintonMD.

Of course, it couldn't have been Nick's own play that got him benched right? Flip must have screwed him up somehow.

I think I remember that interaction between Flip and Nick and I was wondering if it was more about Nick clearly not having his legs and Flip trying to get him some rest early. It was during that stretch that Allen and Young were cutting to the hoop wide open. Against everyone though, not just NY. I still have the game on DVR, so I'll have to go back and look at it again.

To me, it just looked like the whole team came out pretty flat. Lots of defensive rebounds hitting the ground, that kind of thing. I think early on Flip knew he had a tired team, and between that and the injuries (Shakur was apparently banged up too), was trying different things trying to get his key guys rest early. In the fourth though, it did feel like he got away from the few things they had that were working.

Nick was clearly frustrated during the game, not sure how much to attribute that to the sets that we called or that Tony Allen and Sam Young were in his jersey all night long.

Posted by: ts35 | January 31, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

We will see just how valuable management thinks Nick Young is if he is still here come the trade deadline or if he out lasts Flip..

If they thought he was that valuable he wouldn't be making 2.6 with a qualifying offer for next year.

Just saying, I like Nick, but he really ain't that valuable..Just another guy putting up decent numbers on a horrible team..See Andray Blatche..lol

What a joke this is becoming...And Flip is the problem..wow

Posted by: kevenjones | January 31, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Kind of funny the Memphis loss precipitated all this, because it was the one time all year it was "ok" for them to look flat and get whooped. I mean come on, back-to-back off a doubleOT loss at Thunder...you pencil those in as losses.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Nick's more valuable to the team than Flip is, and after this season, likely more desirable to other teams than Flip is going to be after he's fired next year.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I think NY,AB and KH from players and FS and EG are all not important for this ball club rebuilding effort.

Posted by: gtefferra | January 31, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

the brutal thing about Nick's comments is they make Flip look worse than they do Nick.

Posted by: divi3

Actually the only truly brutal thing about Nick's comments is how incredibly out of proportion they are being blown.

Posted by: ts35 | January 31, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"the brutal thing about Nick's comments is they make Flip look worse than they do Nick. The audacity of a player of Nick's "stature" to come out and question Mr.50Win publicly speaks directly to all the knocks on Saunders ability as a head coach. The stuff that was being said about him before he got here."Posted by: divi3

I guess it depends on your viewpoint. Nick's comments would be taken more seriously if he had more 'stature'. Kevin Garnett blossomed under Flip, while Ben Wallace struggled. Both of those guys had the sort of stature that makes people sit up and take note of their opinion. Nick, OTO, is... well, we know better, but some folks might disregard his opinion entirely, based on the speaker.

The real problem is the losing. It's just not a very good team. Overall, they've continued to play hard, with some notable exceptions, and the coaches get some credit for that, as do the players. You've probably noticed that different players emerge at different times -- Wall at the beginning of the year, Javale for a brief spurt, Nick through the first half, and now we're seeing something from Booker, the much criticized 23rd draft choice. Andray's been the major disappointment, but that could change.

Despite Nick's obvious improvement on the court, I don't know that anybody around the league takes his critiques seriously yet. No doubt that will come in the future, as he continues to excel.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Just saying, I like Nick, but he really ain't that valuable

I didnt say he was that valuable, I said he's more valuable than Flip. Unless of course there is a huge market for coaches coming off consecutive 25 win seasons in which "knucklehead" players were calling them out to the media.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

For example, Grant Hill made a remark about the Wiz running the same plays the other night, and I took that a lot more seriously than Nick's comments.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Roster changes may likely come this season, as Leonsis is ever-thirsty for more draft picks and is always willing to cut salary. But in terms of Flip Saunders, get used to the weathered look on the old teacher's face for the rest of the year as his players decide whether to quit on him or not on a game-by-game basis. Get used to Grunfeld's excruciatingly generic press conference speak as he attempts to follow Leonsis' plan and clean up the mess he's made, from players and their lack of significant development to the historically criticized team doctors and medical staff. Saunders and Grunfeld aren't necessarily the team leaders of the future, but they're the dead weight the franchise is stuck with now. The intense phase of rebuilding has yet to begin for the Washington Wizards, and it could still be a slow, painful process once it does.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Samson 151 will have a heart attack reading this! We tried and tried to explain this to you, in vain.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | January 31, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Despite Nick's obvious improvement on the court, I don't know that anybody around the league takes his critiques seriously yet.

It's not what he said, it's the fact he said it publicly.

Posted by: divi3 | January 31, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"Despite Nick's obvious improvement on the court, I don't know that anybody around the league takes his critiques seriously yet."

It's not what he said, it's the fact he said it publicly.

Posted by: divi3

At the same time, it's comments made after losing a game to extend their road losing streak to 23 and one in which he personally had a very frustrating game.

We may look back on this as the tip of the iceberg, but it's tough for me to put total stock in it at face value. I'm sure his sentiments do echo some of the players' feelings, but they may be a wide variety of other sentiments from players (like "Nick's a ball hog") that we haven't heard yet.

If the road losing streak continues, I'm sure more of the frustrations will leak out. But I don't know if this constitutes enough of an "Ah ha!" moment for me.

Posted by: ts35 | January 31, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Actually the only truly brutal thing about Nick's comments is how incredibly out of proportion they are being blown.

Posted by: ts35 | January 31, 2011 12:33 PM
Agree!

So bottom line Nick should not say what he siad but 0-23 is just frustrating for any team not not say a word about it that why i said the player can say whatever they want(tbh they cant but 0-23). But anyway it over with and we got another chance for a win in dalla tonight. I'm going be interested in how the team play tonight.

Posted by: YEAwizards | January 31, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I didnt say he was that valuable, I said he's more valuable than Flip. Unless of course there is a huge market for coaches coming off consecutive 25 win seasons in which "knucklehead" players were calling them out to the media.

Posted by: divi3

Not for nothin, but even after consecutive 25 win seasons, I'm sure Flip would be happy to compare resumes with Nick.

Doug Collins, Rick Adelman, Paul Westphal, Paul Silas, Byron Scott, Vinny Del Negro, etc have all been called out by players, have all had bad seasons, and are also all currently employed as head coaches. Heck, Lionel Hollins has been the Grizzlies interim head coach twice before.

Posted by: ts35 | January 31, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Nick without a doubt has been the most consistent player for the wizards this year. This is the first game all season along he didnt show up. Obviously he was frustrated but i agree with him 100%. he was basically trying to ted and ernie please fire Flip!!!

Posted by: BlackHibachi | January 31, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Nick without a doubt has been the most consistent player for the wizards this year. This is the first game all season along he didnt show up. Obviously he was frustrated but i agree with him 100%. he was basically trying to tell ted and ernie please fire Flip!!!

Posted by: BlackHibachi | January 31, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Where is this article on John Wall that I just heard about from Kevin Sheehan and Tom Levera saying that Wall and his buddy both 20 are living by themselves with no adult supervision. Have a maid that comes in twice a week, not old enough to drink, so are stuck in the crib playing games.

They thought it took 25 minutes to bake some cookies rather than the 8 minutes on the package, threw them in the oven, then played Xbox, and smoked up the joint.

Kevin and Tom says those two are probably going to burn the place down. Nothing unusaul about that, it whats young folks do around that age.

The question I have though, how does Flip Saunders and the Wizards agree to make this 20 year old rookie the captain of the Team. Aw pshaw, slap my head Samson151, I forgot, it is just a honorary thing being the Captain of a NBA franchise and it don't mean nothing.

John Wall can't cook, nor follow directions on a package to bake cookies, yet the brain trust said he could be Captain of the franchise.

You would think that Flip with all his experience and expansive resume would have told Ernie, ahh, ahh, Ernie, I understand why yawl' want to make John Wall captain, but you simply cannot make this young fella captain of the team. Ahh, ahh, I doubt if he knows how to follow instructions yet and I know he can't lead a NBA franchise right now.

I know Flip had to tell Ernie that and Ernie probably ignored him 'cause being Captain of a NBA franchise is just honorary and don't mean nothing, right Samson151.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 31, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The fact that they made JW the Captain is more on an indictment on Blatche, Young, McGee than it is on Flip...

He is the face of the franchise. He is the best player on the team. So like it or not he is the captain..

He will grow into his role. Not an ideal situation but it is the situation.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 31, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"Samson 151 will have a heart attack reading this! We tried and tried to explain this to you, in vain.Posted by: Utilityman1"

Well, I read it. BP 110/66. Pulse 74.

Maybe I considered the source...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Nick's more valuable to the team than Flip is, and after this season, likely more desirable to other teams than Flip is going to be after he's fired next year.
Posted by: divi3

I guess time will tell, but I would be willing to bet serious money that isn't the case. (And I love NY!)

Posted by: nmik | January 31, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Aw pshaw, slap my head Samson151, I forgot, it is just a honorary thing being the Captain of a NBA franchise and it don't mean nothing."

"I know Flip had to tell Ernie that and Ernie probably ignored him 'cause being Captain of a NBA franchise is just honorary and don't mean nothing, right Samson151."LarryInClintonMD. Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

LOL I really appreciate all these shout-outs from the peanut gallery.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Nick's more valuable to the team than Flip is, and after this season, likely more desirable to other teams than Flip is going to be after he's fired next year.
Posted by: divi3 "

I don't know if you noticed, but Flip is an old guy who coaches, and Nick is a young guy who plays.

Next I suppose we could compare the video coordinator to the head trainer.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

John Wall can't cook, nor follow directions on a package to bake cookies, yet the brain trust said he could be Captain of the franchise.
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

What exactly are you trying to say here? That most players on the team can bake cookies? That they trust the directions on the package?

That Saunders should have ignored what the team owner dictated be done (make Wall the franchise player)?

Whatever. You're not making much sense.

Posted by: nmik | January 31, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

This is the first game all season along [Nick Young] didnt show up."Posted by: BlackHibachi"

No, he's had a few bum games before this. Remember the one recent contest where he got called out for not warming up (I think that was the criticism) and for appearing disinterested? It was right after a strong performance and later we discovered he was hurt...

The Memphis game was right after a strong performance at OKC.

Just a guess, but I imagine he got mad because Flip criticized his play and just lashed out in front of the omnipresent post-game media. It happens.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"John Wall can't cook, nor follow directions on a package to bake cookies, yet the brain trust said he could be Captain of the franchise.Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

Maybe the NBA should require Combine participants to successfully produce a dozen oven-baked Toll House.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 31, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Preseason has no true indication of how good a team will be. The coaches are trying to get a meld on the real season.
We werre 23yearws season ticket hiolders for Washington, but that has just been to long a time to support losing all those years. Now that theyn are only on
Com Cast we cannot even see their losing games, so off to my old team the NY Kn icks, who are making progress!

Posted by: HLSHAP | January 31, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Cann ot get any comments in !!!!!

Posted by: HLSHAP | January 31, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

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