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Posted at 6:42 PM ET, 01/15/2011

Open thread: Wizards (10-27) vs. Raptors (13-26)

By Michael Lee

Andray Blatche (sprained right shoulder) and Nick Young (sore left knee) are both starting against the Raptors. Blatche said before the game that he had full range of motion in his arm after missing the loss to Minnesota two days before. Josh Howard will miss his fifth consecutive game and may miss more time with his sore left knee. Coach Flip Saunders said Howard would visit a specialist on Monday and possibly do more rehabilitation for few days. "Depending on how that goes, it will probably be five or six days after that before he probably does anything. If I had to take a guess, we'll reevaluate him a week from Monday to see where he's at." Howard hasn't played since Jan. 5 in Philadelphia.

Let the conversation begin in the thread below. You can also join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 7 p.m.; TV: CSN; Radio: 106.7 FM.

Check out a live box score from tonight's game here.

By Michael Lee  | January 15, 2011; 6:42 PM ET
 
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Comments

Im watching NY and he even looks like a guy who's playing more minutes and having a bigger role then he's accustomed to. You can see it in his body language that he's almost starting to break down mentally & physically. I was really looking forward to seeing him vs Derozan but I might not want to see it anyways if NY is hurt.
Dray looked pretty good last game and then ofcourse the injury. Anyways, lets hope he can build off the good and play well tonight. We'll need it, espically if NY is out or even less then healthy.

Hopefully they play well. Im so sick of us being so mentally weak. Every single time one of our guys has any kind of injury and tries to play through it they always suck. Even our stars like Gil use to suck. You can tell that it would be just as much mental as physical. Like they thought since they were hurt then they didnt try to do much.

Or they settle for long stupid dumb shots. If they are going to play like that then Id rather not even have them out there. Dont try to tell me that you are a warrior by playing through it just to go out there and play halfway and stink up the joint

Hopefully Flip doesnt do anything dumb like bringing them off the bench. Either they are healthy enough to start or they dont play at all. Bringing guys off the bench is so dumb and it messes up the whole chemistry

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Man Wall has to get a J in the Offseason. It hurts him & our halfcourt O so bad

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Flip learned something important about coaching. Something you have yet to realize?


Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

What how to get a paycheck for doing nothing?

It's not all about your preference, you know.


By the way yes it is!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 15, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

NY just missing some open looks but he's making the extra pass more in this game then Ive seen him all year combined. If dude just makes that pass then he becomes a great player. Everyone around the league will be bragging on him if he adds that element and its so pretty to watch. Get that in your game Nick, please

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Dray just cant get right. He does 1 good thing to make you think he's turning the corner. Then he follows it up with 3 bad plays. I still feel like he's improving though, both physically & mentally. Time will tell

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

The Raps are one of those kinda teams that Yi can play well against. Lets hope he does. I think Booker could too though

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Man, did the maitnence crew put our rim up right? Are they sure it isnt a half inch tilted because Ive never seen so many different guys have shots spin in & out all in one quarter.

Im listening to the Raps announcers and they just said that Blatche is so nonchalant that it makes them sick. Too true

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Don't the Wizards need a third pg?

How about a 10 day contract for Justin Dentmon?

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/tmp_justin_dentmon/

Posted by: PostSubscriber | January 15, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow, NY again with the dish. He'll be great if he adds it to his game

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is making the extra pass and we are getting great looks. We are just missing bunnies and wide open J's from our best scorers. Just keep doing what were doing and we will be fine, atleast Offensively

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

That's Javale looking good so far...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

good hustle Dray. People have to leave him alone. You can see on that play how slow he is and how little he is getting up off the ground. If he has that offseason then he looks night & day. Give him a chance. His skill level is so high

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

NY with more & more good D

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

We would be undefeated the last 2 years if we could make layups. Wall, Dray, Gil, Caron, Yi, etc.. all suck at making layups now. We leave so many easy points on the board every single game by not finishing around the rim

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 15, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"I suppose you could compare his W-L record then vs more recently and see.Posted by: divi3"

... why should we pay attention to that?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 15, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Anybody think Kirk took the night off? He was a shadow of himself.

seriously though....gotta keep Nick, get'er done Ernie get'er done

Posted by: divi3 | January 15, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"... why should we pay attention to that?
Posted by: Samson151 Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Hey, nice selective editing. Completely distorts the meaning. Deliberately, no doubt.

For accuracy, here's what I actually wrote:
"I suppose you could compare his W-L record then vs more recently and see.Posted by: divi3"
"LOL yeah, different cities, different players, different teams... why should we pay attention to that?Posted by: Samson151"

You can go back to the pipe now.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"I suppose you could compare his W-L record then vs more recently and see.Posted by: divi3"

... why should we pay attention to that?

Hey, nice selective editing. Completely distorts the meaning. Deliberately, no doubt.

You can go back to the pipe now.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

distorts the meaning?

No the meaning is, you never want to look at his record this or last season.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 15, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

"Anybody think Kirk took the night off? He was a shadow of himself." posted by divi3

He definitely had an off-night. Sounds like you're surprised -- remember how negative you were about the guy? Good to see that's changing.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

He definitely had an off-night. Sounds like you're surprised

Looked like he may have taken the night off, do we have any proof he warmed up at halftime?

Posted by: divi3 | January 15, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Completely distorts the meaning.

My meaning is that's it's a shame Flip used to believe it was up to him to get young guys to play hard, but now he believes it's on them. I'd hate to think he's trying to disassociate himself with our lousy situation....

Posted by: divi3 | January 15, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

"I like the requests coming about KH..."

I imagine he could help somebody, depending on the injury situation.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Playing for Flip and the Wizards surely isn't the right circumstance since he haven't helped at all here.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Yes, we understand you don't watch the games.

Posted by: nmik | January 15, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Since I didn't watch the game I guess I'm wrong by saying....

Kirk min 18:42 fgm-a 1-8 3pm-a 0-1 ftm-a 0-0 reb 2 ast 2 to pts 2

...must have been the reason the Wizards won?

Can't wait to read Flip's quote in how valuable Kirk was to the team?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 15, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Pretty good game. We picked a good night to hit our FTs. Toronto actually shot well tonight. Also some very good rebounding -- one of Javale's better games in recent weeks.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"Completely distorts the meaning.
"My meaning is that's it's a shame Flip used to believe it was up to him to get young guys to play hard, but now he believes it's on them. posted by divi3"

You're doing the same thing bulletsfan78 does -- removes a quote from context in order to distort its meaning. Then he pretends as though he's won an argument.

The WI version of having your picture taken in front of a 'Mission Accomplished' banner, I guess.

Try to enjoy the victory. We haven't had that many of them.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

You're doing the same thing bulletsfan78 does -- removes a quote from context in order to distort its meaning. Then he pretends as though he's won an argument.

Actually I posted two quotes from Flip and said my opinion was I prefer the Flip who thought it was up to him to motivate young players....FLIP'S WORDS afterall. Then you jumped on it as you do anything that could be considered critical of management.

Nice win, some good things to enjoy. Though Wall looks a bit discombobulated and Jose Calderon officially owns him for this season. He has a long way to go, really thought his defense would be better though they say most rookies struggle in that dept.

Posted by: divi3 | January 15, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Michael Lee...Flip what did you think about Kirk's game tonight?

Flip...he played great

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 15, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"Then you jumped on it as you do anything that could be considered critical of management.posted by divi3"

Whereas you jump on anything that could be considered critical of Nick or Javale...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Michael Lee...Flip what did you think about Kirk's game tonight?

Flip...he played great

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Not sure how KH is supposed to play well when Flip only plays him 19 mins and yanks him after every mistake.....isn't that the mantra?

Here are his actual postgame comments (hopefully you can at least watch these).

http://www.hoopsaddict.com/in-the-scrum-with-flip-saunders-4/

About 2 minutes in, he started to talk about the bench play, and I thought, he it comes, the ceremonial nod to KH. He started crediting the defensive effort of the bench and mentions.....Yi and AT. Wha??? No mention of KH.

So I started to think, maybe this is the night, maybe the postgame presser where KH isn't praised. And then at 6:37 of a 6:45 presser he has to throw in "Kirk is one of the best on-the-ball defenders as far as in the league." Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. You were soooooo close Flip, so close to breaking the cycle. Everyone participating in my "Flip Praising KH in the Post Game Presser Drinking Game" please commence chugging your beer now. Unless you're driving. Or in AA.

Posted by: ts35 | January 15, 2011 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Here's from the AP story on the game:

"But three straight struggling teams have visited the nation's capital, so the Wizards have a three-game home winning streak. Nick Young, whose home-and-road stats are as Jeckyll-and-Hyde as anybody's, scored 18 of his 29 points in the third quarter Saturday night in a 98-95 victory over the Toronto Raptors."

""Right now he's got an unbelievable comfort level as far as at home," Washington coach Flip Saunders said. "We've got to get him to bring that killer instinct offensively on the road.""

"The Wizards improved to 11-8 at the Verizon Center, hardly enough to offset their 0-19 mark elsewhere. Furthermore, none of the 11 victories has come against teams with winning records entering Saturday's play, and even most of those wins haven't been easy. They blew a 10-point, fourth-quarter lead against the Raptors before holding on, just four days after blowing a late lead in an overtime win over Sacramento."

"Young is averaging 18.8 points when he's at home, 13.3 when he's not. His plus-minus rating for the season is plus-36 at home and minus-121 away. He had 43 at home against the Kings on Tuesday, and Saturday's effort came despite a 1-for-8 start from the field and a sore left knee."

"I came out too pumped," Young said, "trying to get my knee going and all that."

"Young ended up making 10-of-19 field goals, including eight in a row at one point. He scored the Wizards' first 13 points of the second half, all jumpers from at least 15 feet, and he went 5 for 6 from the free throw line in the final 18 seconds."

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 11:58 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone participating in my "Flip Praising KH in the Post Game Presser Drinking Game" please commence chugging your beer now. Unless you're driving. Or in AA.Posted by: ts35"

Well, you have to do something to entertain yourself during this long season...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 16, 2011 12:01 AM | Report abuse

I was at the game tonight, a couple of rows behind the Wizards bench. A few interesting things came out of it.

1) Scored the AB bobblehead! Which brings my collection of Wizards bobbleheads up to.......one. The likeliness is astonishing though. Perhaps because AB occasionally displays some bobbleheaded characteristics.

2) At one point (in the third quarter I think), Wall was coming to the bench and someone in the crowd behind the bench said something to him I couldn't hear. He turned to glower at them and I think said "What the f*** did you say?" and had a look like he was considering stepping over the bench. Josh Howard grabbed him by the shorts and sort of pulled him down. I don't think he would have done anything, but he was not happy. No idea if it was just critical of his play, or some form of epithet.

3) Hilton Armstrong talks to everyone. I was curious to see who sits together, who talks to each other, etc. Not a lot I could really tell except that Hilton will talk to whoever is next to him, and he likes to mess with people.

Posted by: ts35 | January 16, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Well, you have to do something to entertain yourself during this long season...

Posted by: Samson151

I thought that's what the WI was for....

Posted by: ts35 | January 16, 2011 12:15 AM | Report abuse

So I started to think, maybe this is the night, maybe the postgame presser where KH isn't praised. And then at 6:37 of a 6:45 presser he has to throw in "Kirk is one of the best on-the-ball defenders as far as in the league."

Everyone participating in my "Flip Praising KH in the Post Game Presser Drinking Game" please commence chugging your beer now. Unless you're driving. Or in AA.

Posted by: ts35 | January 15, 2011 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks,

Can I burn one instead?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 16, 2011 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Whatever floats your, um, boat.

Posted by: ts35 | January 16, 2011 1:01 AM | Report abuse

"Scored the AB bobblehead!"

We'll see it on Antiques Roadshow in 2083.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 16, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

So I started to think, maybe this is the night, maybe the postgame presser where KH isn't praised. And then at 6:37 of a 6:45 presser he has to throw in "Kirk is one of the best on-the-ball defenders as far as in the league." Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. You were soooooo close Flip, so close to breaking the cycle. Everyone participating in my "Flip Praising KH in the Post Game Presser Drinking Game" please commence chugging your beer now. Unless you're driving. Or in AA.

Posted by: ts35

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from http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/1/16/1938062/are-the-washington-wizards-reinforcing-bad-habits-even-through-victory#storyjump:
Wall's defensive stance was terrible all game as he was standing up on Jose Calderon all night. Wall was torched so completely by Calderon (who was one rebound short of a triple-double) that he was pulled for the last two defensive possessions of the game. Flip stated that Wall was removed from the game because the team needed Nick Young to shoot the FTs and "Kirk (Hinrich) is one of the best on ball defenders in the NBA," but the fact remains that the Wizards pulled their #1 pick because he was being lit up all night by a middling PG.

Posted by: MinuMang | January 16, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

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