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Posted at 7:08 PM ET, 01/19/2011

Open thread: Wizards (12-27) at Bucks (14-24)

By Michael Lee

The Wizards are hoping to avoid becoming the sixth team in NBA history to lose their first 20 road games. They have a good opportunity to end the skid against the Milwaukee Bucks, who have lost three in a row and six of their past seven games. Although they are 0-19 away from Verizon Center this season, the Wizards have won four in a row at home. "We're improving. I feel we're going to take everything we learned, we went up against a really good team [in Utah] and showed that we're getting better and now we're going to take it on the road and do everything we did at home," Andray Blatche said. "We just got to come out with a lot of energy and play hard for 48 minutes."

Let the conversation begin in the thread below. You can also join the conversation on Twitter with Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee). See your tweets here by using #wizards.

Tipoff: 8 p.m.; TV: CSN; Radio: 106.7 FM.

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By Michael Lee  | January 19, 2011; 7:08 PM ET
 
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I have to wonder what sort of mind looks at this game and concludes they 'should and will' win, after 19 straight losses on the road. Not one that operates on any known logical system.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 5:47 PM


The kind of mind that is looking at the Teams first 3-game winning streak. The kind of mind that does see some heart and pride in the players despite subpar coaching IMO.

The kind of mind that sees a group of players and sees that their 0-19 road record as more of an indictment of their preparedness than ineptitude talent.

The kind of mind that sees a team that could have won, should have won, a road game well by now.

The kind of mind that sees a team that is bound to overcome their biggest obstacle on road this season, their coach, this time.

And if they do, the coach is bound to along with his protagonist to think he had something to do with it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 19, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

On the other front on what this team needs though, I think at this point, we can't discount that McGee and Blatche are not starters and relegate them to backups.

I kinda feel that 1) Wall at point, done; 2) Young at SG, done;, 3) Lewis at SF, done; and yes 4) Blatche at PF, done. I am a bit further along in a rebuilding nucleus than most here.

At the Five, you have to start giving McGee true starters minutes to determine if he is really a starter at the Five or just a backup, or maybe he if he's a four.

That 30/30 guy, Love, complained that he did not get enough minutes in his early seasons. It was only after he got starters minutes this season and not at the seasons start either, was when he started to put up hall of fame numbers. It was time on the floor, RING A BELL ROUNDS HERE, that saw Love flourish with numbers that few hall of famers have attained.

TIME ON THE FLOOR PEOPLE.

The point is you will never see what a player can really do sometimes if you never let them play consistently and timely. (Nick Young)

Give McGee the true starters role along with the starters mpg and then only use Seraphin and Armstrong as the center backups, not Yi.

Use Yi and Booker as the backups to Andre Blatche. The flexibility of Booker can be used at the three also.

The ultimate point though is that accountability has to be entrusted in playing time and traditional roles for the players in order to determine what the team really needs and whether the players you have are accountable, dependable, responsible enough to continue to roll with them going forward.

You cannot continue to make assumptions not based upon trial by fire. To make the players accountable you have to play them the right way and in the roles that they should be responsible for.

Out of all the games that Haywood started for us here, he never averaged true starter mpg. Now maybe that could be a reflections of Haywood's play and I am sure many can make that assertion with good reson, but I WOULD NOT, I REPEAT, I WOULD NOT MAKE ANY DECISIONS ABOUT JAVALE MCGEE UNTIL THIS TEAMS STARTS TO GIVE HIM TRUE STARTERS MPG.

And just for those who don't know 20-25 mpg is not starters minutes. More like 3Q's, bout uh' somewhere's aroung 35 mpg is starters minutes, yu'heard'me'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 19, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I expect the same rotation we've seen past couple games. If it is, I expect they will win.

Lookin for big games from Dray & NY.

Posted by: Darnell1 | January 19, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

"The kind of mind that is looking at the Teams first 3-game winning streak. The kind of mind that does see some heart and pride in the players despite subpar coaching IMO.LarryInClintonMD posted by LarryInClintonMD"

And the kind of mind that will just blame somebody else if he turns out to be wrong.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Really looking forawrd to seeing the individual matchups. NY vs Salmons, Lewis vs Maggs is so unique, and then McGee, Dray, and your boy Yi against guys like Bogut, Gooden, Illy, and Luc. Im the biggest Skiles fan there is so I know it will be hell but we’re due. With that being said, I just want to see us show up for once.

You would think that with 0 road wins these guys would be so pumped and come out so focus but like the last 5 games they have come out so flat, looked competely nonchalant, no passion, and then we fall behind by 20 before making a run. That better not happen this game. If NY, Dray, and Wall play great against this D then Im sold on them the rest of the year

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

And just for those who don't know 20-25 mpg is not starters minutes. More like 3Q's, bout uh' somewhere's aroung 35 mpg is starters minutes, yu'heard'me'.

LarryInClintonMD.

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not sure what you're ranting about, lotsa starters play about 25.

Posted by: MinuMang | January 19, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Nick will play like he does at home. Javale hopefully gives Bogut fits, and John plays within Hisself. Let's Go!

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"Out of all the games that Haywood started for us here, he never averaged true starter mpg."LarryInClintonMD. Posted by: LarryInClintonMD"

Brendan averaged 33 minutes in his 49 games with Washington last season. 48 of those games were official starts. In other words, he was only 2 minutes off Larry's entirely arbitrary personal standard of 35 minutes, which exists only to allow Larry the freedom to rant.

Many outstanding big men play fewer minutes. Tim Duncan averages 29, Kevin Garnett, 32. Even Dwight Howard, on whom the Magic are utterly dependent, averages only 36 minutes.

It's just Larry building straw men to rail against. Like predicting the Wiz 'can, will, and should' win in Milwaukee, just so he can claim he was right if they do and howl about the coaching if they don't.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

too early to be getting frustrated Dray. Dummy

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Nice Active hands and good transition buckets.

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Boykins said...Nick has always had a reputation as somebody who can score. He can flat out score. Now he's getting the opportunity and he's taking advantage of it.

Shame Flip can't say something like that about Nick...but that would mean Flip would have to admit he was wrong by not giving Nick the opportunity?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 19, 2011 6:50 PM

And still even, Nick's opportunity explicably came by default, but the Flip protaganist will say that Nick finally learned Flips system and how Flips wants him to play.

But, I wonder what came first, the playing time or the learning of the system.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 19, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Dray missed that last shot but I like it. He backed his guy down and turned over the inside shoulder. He just needed to back him down deeper. He picked up his dirbble too fast. Same with NY. NY needs to go all the way to the hoop sometime instead of settling for the J. Just like that...lol

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

If Earl steals this game from us I will lose my mind

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see seraphin out there, and playin well!

Posted by: Darnell1 | January 19, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

dlts2041,
I was thinking the exact same thing. Fromer wiz tend to give it to us.

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

My man Dray is getting back to form

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Feeling good about getting our first road win and extending the winning streak. This season may not be a lost cause after all...

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | January 19, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Didnt need that foul for 2 reasons. It was so unecessary by Shard and gave him his 2nd while also giving them easy FTs when we are playing great D on them.

Wall is killing em right now with the dishing. Another stupid foul though. We can pull away from them right now and were screwing ourselves

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Finally, a Booker appearance.

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 8:35 PM | Report abuse

The thing Im the most happiest about is that we finally for the 1st time in like 6 road games came out and played like we were winless on the road. I love the enthusiasm, hustle, and hunger we're showing

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I could see Boykins as a head coach someday.

Flip's goin physical tonight... Seraphin, Booker, Armstrong all gettin in! That's fine with me!

Posted by: Darnell1 | January 19, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

If we lose this lead then Ill kill Flip because Ive never ever seen this lineup before. It better workout because it looks very suspect. Yi may keep saving the day though as he continues to round into form just like Dray. I guess Flip figures we have the lead so he's trying to rest some guys

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

So Flip is planning on giving all 12 players minutes???

I guess he figures 3 in 4 days means players need rest. But he sure looks like he is trying to give the Bucks (who look horrible btw) a shot...

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Good start for Andray. I still can't figure out why the Bucks signed Maggette. If ever a player was designed to drive Skiles nuts, it's Corey. But from the Wiz standpoint, he's a problem because he usually gets other people in foul trouble...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah dlts,

I think Andray's improved conditioning has much to do with his resurgent play of late.

Posted by: bazookajoe1 | January 19, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Earl is killin Kirk tonight

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Does Flip think Kirk has been running the O so bad or his handles are so crap that Earl will pick his dribble or something? Why is NY running the point? Espically when he's hot and we could use his scoring right now? Strange moves by Flip tonight so far. Hope it works out

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Seraphin picks up two fouls taking his warmup suit off.

Love his enthusiasm and he seems like a great guy but man..

Posted by: SteveMG | January 19, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

great D by Yi. Way to stay down and then still get the hand right in his mug

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm just not sure why flip is changin up when that tight 8 man rotation has worked so well the past couple games given how much a win here is needed.

Posted by: Darnell1 | January 19, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

put NY in the post on Dooling, Flip!!!!!!!

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

JAVALE THINK!!!!

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Nick is pressing and not fighting through screens.

And McGee is a detriment on the floor. Put Yi back in.

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

We got the small Dooling on NY and we have Nick at the top of the key using his quickness instead of isoing him on the block. The one thing Dooling would love is for NY to be outside just trying to dribble by him where he's smaller and can match his quickness. Get him on the block

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Nick is having his worst night on D in a long time. He looks out of it. Hope Flip shakes him out of it at halftime.

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Come on Wall. Where is the good without the bad that we saw early in the year? Now you cant have one without the other with him

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Starting to play sloppy

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

How do the refs always fall for Maggs & Kevin Martin's crap? Its amazing how these guys live at the line

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Two things jump out at me: the Bucks are on course to shoot 42 FTs, and second, Milwaukee has only 5 assists. If Nick or somebody can warm up in the third period, and Wall can connect on some shots, we might put an end to the streak. If it become a Bucks parade to the line, we could be 0-20.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"How do the refs always fall for Maggs & Kevin Martin's crap?"

I keep recalling Adrian Dantley.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

horrible but typical Wiz start to the 2nd half. Show me some heart & mental toughness guys. They look lazy & sluggish right now like theyve all played 48min. Get the intesity back

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Javalle misses both and Lewis looks like he has all ball but gets the foul. Man this looks bad so far. Someone needs to hit something to get us going and get our confidence back

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Man we are settling and taking lazy bad shots

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

yeah buddy. Get us going Dray. Lets get this thing

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I say that and then we give up 5pts in a blink. Its not going to be easy but I still believe. The real question is should I? If Flip is a legit top notch coach then he comes out of this TO with a good play that we score on and we start looking better the rest of the half. Thats "if" he's a good coach. I still think he can be so lets hope we get a good look and knock it down here. We dont wan to let the crowd get in it

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

YO! The BUCKS are over the limit with 3 and some changes left. Attack the Rim!

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Since I posted my "open letters" to Gilbert and Ted, I've sat back and watched you guys, esp Samson51(who has no clue about NBA basketball and Larry post comments about my team. Samson needs to have his blog privs revoked!

The main reason this team is awful is:

1) Inept coaching

2) Horrendous personnel selections by Grunfeld

Posted by: squidward1 | January 19, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

that was an open 3 but I thought Kirk couldve given that up and gotten us a layup. Gotta use this penalty situation to our advantage and we need NY to finish strong in the 4th strong. He seemingly has 1 big quarter in every game and hopefully the 4th is it tonight, or maybe thats just a home thing

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Kirk is killing us in this game. Man he's getting on my nerves. This small backcourt crap isnt working Flip

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Man Lewis sucks tonight when we need him the ost. HIm & NY. We need a strong finish from them or its over.

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey - Here is a great idea. Let's not play our leading scorer and let the guy who can't hit a shot shoot the majority of the shots in the third quarter.

I guess Flip wants the record.

What a joke of a coach we have...

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Meltdown in 3,2,1...

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

This is one of the first Wiz games I've watched this year: do they ever look like they actually care?

Some of the worst body language I've ever seen, here in the 3rd.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | January 19, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

im glad that were even close still. were shooting terrible in this 3rdQ.

Posted by: CantWait90 | January 19, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Man that was a forgetful 3rd. 28-17 that quarter. How much heart do we have? Can we get easy looks when teams clamp down? Can we stop settling? Can we play some D?

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I called for NY in the post against Dooling in the 1st half. Hopefully Flip wakes up now but it wont matter if we dont get a hand up on D

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Alright Nick, but don't be greedy

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Come on Shard. If he hits anything, we win. He cant make nothing. Wide open too

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

WTF RASHARD PLEASE QUIT SHOOTING THE BALL!!!!

Posted by: masonkyle | January 19, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Kirk is putting dead ball when he has it... if that makes since. No movement.

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Put NY back in the post again against Dooling and run the O through him, atleast until Wall & Dray get back on the court. He's the only Offensive player I trust right now besides them. If Shard keeps missing easy shots then we have no chance

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

John Wall = Turnover Machine

Here come another meltdown while Flip paces the sidelines clueless....

Posted by: squidward1 | January 19, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Meltdown is almost complete...

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Meltdown is almost complete...

Posted by: bullwiz81 | January 19, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Wall must be hurt.

Posted by: divi3 | January 19, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Well that was a disaster...

they couldn't hit water from a boat

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Sad. Weve got like 23 in the 2nd half right now and only scored 1 basket in the last 5min. Skiles put the clamp down and we folded like always. Meanwhile Shard was horrible and Boykins destroyed Kirk

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

divi... dont give him any excuses!

how is a hurting drew gooden scoring on rashard lewis? are you serious?

Posted by: squidward1 | January 19, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I thought Wall was hurt because he wasnt in the game, had forgotten Kirk is our franchise player in Flip's estimation.

Posted by: divi3 | January 19, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

why do we have 3 point guards on the floor?

Oh wait....Dray isn't a point guard...

What a waste of a contract...

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

why do we have 3 point guards on the floor?

Oh wait....Dray isn't a point guard...

What a waste of a contract...

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

yeah, Kirk may be Flips kid.

Posted by: squidward1 | January 19, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Did Andrew Bogut just catch a left handed oop over Javalle?

Posted by: squidward1 | January 19, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Flip may be the worst coach in the league...

Off to watch a The Blake Show on League Pass for Free.

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Rashard Lewis, McGee, Heinrich just had terrible games....

wow...Flip had a team on fire in the first quarter and decided to sit every starter. What is wrong with that guy?

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

It's so funny to me how everyone is so quick to blame Flip. Don't misunderstand me, I don't think Flip is the man for the job but blame has to fall on the players as well. We have absolutely no ball movement, our offense is primarily one on one play with one shot. Our defense stinks..stinks..stinks..stinks.
This team is awful and I still scratch my head trying to figure out how this team won 12 games.

Posted by: chilly79 | January 19, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Whats wrong with Flip? He cant coach! He's used to talented veteran players carrying him.

Posted by: squidward1 | January 19, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

lol...whiners!

No ball movement in the second half plus Earl Boykins = Wiz lose!

At one point, I counted 4 possessions in the 4th where they passed the ball 3 times or more and they scored every time. Pretty much the only possessions they scored.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 19, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait....Dray isn't a point guard...
What a waste of a contract...

Ok, justmy2, why is Blatche a waste of a contract? I thought he has been playing better lately. Over the last four games his stats are 19.3 pts/11 rbs/3 stls/ 500 FG%. If you think he isn’t improving, please provide evidence.

Posted by: twomangame | January 19, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

We are now getting blown out by a miserable Bucks team who is missing their best player (Jennings) and another very good player (Salmons). I am seriously up in the air about renewing my season tix next year. I love the sport and have coached for 11 years but witnessing this debacle known as the Washington Wizards will make even the most dedicated fans sick!

Posted by: chilly79 | January 19, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

By the way, McGee is back to being one of the dumbest players I've seen. Black hole on offense without a clue.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 19, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

By the way, McGee is back to being one of the dumbest players I've seen.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 19, 2011 10:29 PM

OMG, did you see him take the inbounds pass with 5 seconds left on the shot clock...take one dribble towards the baseline and throw it back into to the defenders?

What a baffoon....

Posted by: squidward1 | January 19, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

After nearly every road loss, Saunders has tried to come up with explanations for the problems of this young and inexperienced team away from Verizon Center. He has often spoken about how so many of his key players have not been in these situations, and he came with another interesting observation about his starting five on Wednesday morning.

"If you look at our team compared to every other team in the league, we only have one guy who was starting on an NBA team this time last year -- Rashard Lewis," Saunders said.

Flip's "key players"

R. Lewis min 37:22 fga-m 3-11 3pm-a 0-5 ftm-a 2-2 Reb 4 pts 8

K. Hinrich min 23:32 fga-m 2-5 3pm-a 0-0 ftm-a 1-1 Reb 0 pts 5

O rebs again?

Didn't see the game but I'm sure Flip will find a way to blame the young guys and comment that without the great efforts of Lewis and Kirk the Wizards wouldn't have won the first half?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 19, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Flip is the man for the job but blame has to fall on the players as well. We have absolutely no ball movement, our offense is primarily one on one play with one shot. Our defense stinks..stinks..stinks..stinks.
This team is awful and I still scratch my head trying to figure out how this team won 12 games.

Posted by: chilly79 | January 19, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

lol...whiners!

No ball movement in the second half plus Earl Boykins = Wiz lose!

At one point, I counted 4 possessions in the 4th where they passed the ball 3 times or more and they scored every time. Pretty much the only possessions they scored.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 19, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Since I don't watch the games I'm not suppose to make posts so I'll ask a question...did Flip call a time out and tell his players they need to pass the ball more?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 19, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that was depressing. Liked the energy in the 4th, but they needed it in the 2nd and 3rd. They got up by 12 and totally took a breath. They need to get that it's going to take a major 48 minute effort to overcome this streak. Teams are confident right now against the Wiz that they will fade if pressed.

Boykins and Dooling destroyed us. Kirk didn't look great on Boykins in the 2nd, but picked it up (too late) in the 4th. Wall didn't look great on Boykins either, though. I kept wondering all game why our 6'4" superstar PG wasn't able to take Earl on offense. Wall has a ton of talent, but has a lot to learn about playing ball. Flip should also have run complete clearouts for Wall against Boykins.

The players choked and Flip didn't help them enough. Not enough looks down low to Dray when he's being guarded by Ilyasova. Dray wasn't fighting hard enough for position down low, either. Thought I thought he played ok, he's too content to take the 18fter, when it would be better for the team for him to work down low. If for no other reason than no one else can.

Lewis struggled, Young struggled (though he came alive a bit in the 4th). Our guards (Wall, Young, Hinrich) let the pressure from the Bucks guards get to them. McGee didn't show on a screen all night. Not sure if that was on his own or per instructions. Yi shot the ball ok, but I thought Serf was actually making a difference and I thought he should have played more. Raw as he is, he has the best defensive footwork among the bigs. While JaVale keeps driving to his left then awkwardly trying to bring the ball back to his right, Serf keeps it simple and goes to his bread-and-butter jump hook. I did see one from JaVale tonight and was encouraged, but every other move he made to the hoop was ill-conceived and awkward. If he wants to get the ball in the post, he needs to develop a) moves in general and b) his left hand.

They attacked the Bucks in transition in the first, and then stopped until the end of the 4th. Some of that was due to the Bucks picking it on offense and making shots, but even so, I would have kept the pressure on them at all opportunities. Instead you could see the Wizards tighten up as the Bucks made their run.

Posted by: ts35 | January 19, 2011 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I have the kind of mind that will just blame somebody else if I turn out to be wrong.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see you are finally doing some soul searching

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 19, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Since I don't watch the games I'm not suppose to make posts so I'll ask a question...did Flip call a time out and tell his players they need to pass the ball more?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Can't attest to the pass the ball more part since none of us were in the huddle, but yes, he called several timeouts as the Bucks were getting back into it and as the Bucks were stretching their lead in the 3rd / 4th.

Posted by: ts35 | January 19, 2011 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I am finally doing some soul searching

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Hey! Misquoting people to get them to say whatever we want is fun!

Posted by: ts35 | January 19, 2011 11:24 PM | Report abuse

No, Flip never called a timeout. He just paced back and forth with a glazed look on his face.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 19, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

He did have a t-shirt on under his jacket that said FBF78. I thought it was hilarious myself!

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 19, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Looked like they were counting of Lewis to show up in the 3rd and it didn't happen. Starting two non-scorers, in Wall and McGee, and no 6th man candidate, makes it impossible for them to win without production from the SF.

Posted by: djnnnou | January 19, 2011 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Looked like they were counting of Lewis to show up in the 3rd and it didn't happen. Starting two non-scorers, in Wall and McGee, and no 6th man candidate, makes it impossible for them to win without production from the SF.

Posted by: djnnnou

Yeah, and particularly bad timing for CSN to run the interview with Lewis talking about being a vet and trying to help the young guys push through to get a win on the road.

Posted by: ts35 | January 19, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"Since I posted my "open letters" to Gilbert and Ted, I've sat back and watched you guys, esp Samson51(who has no clue about NBA basketball and Larry post comments about my team. Samson needs to have his blog privs revoked!
The main reason this team is awful is:
1) Inept coaching
2) Horrendous personnel selections by Grunfeld
Posted by: squidward1"

I don't remember reading the 'open letters'. In fact, I don't remember reading anything you ever wrote, here or anywhere else. But instead of responding authoritatively to something I didn't see (the bf78 method), let me just quote from John Scalzi's book "Your Hate Mail Will Be Graded":

"I'm sorry, I lost interest in your message and couldn't be bothered to finish it. No doubt it was very clever and devastating and if it makes you feel good, please consider me abashed or chagrined or whatever it was you intended me to feel after reading your brilliant scintillating words. In the meantime, allow me to congratulate you on your decision not to breed, as clearly a person of your qualities represent a full stop on the genetic paragraph. The evolution of your line need go no further."

Hope that helps.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 11:45 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, and particularly bad timing for CSN to run the interview with Lewis talking about being a vet and trying to help the young guys push through to get a win on the road.Posted by: ts35"

Well, they're Christians, right? So it's part of his penance.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Wait just one minute! Didn't Larry state unequivocally that the Wizards can, will, and should beat Milwaukee? Oh sure, he probably just intended it as a setup line for another rant.

Still, shouldn't he be held accountable? Is it not reasonable for us to conclude that when he made that prediction, Larry was speaking, well -- twaddle?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

"The kind of mind that is looking at the Teams first 3-game winning streak. The kind of mind that does see some heart and pride in the players despite subpar coaching IMO.The kind of mind that sees a group of players and sees that their 0-19 road record as more of an indictment of their preparedness than ineptitude talent.
The kind of mind that sees a team that could have won, should have won, a road game well by now.The kind of mind that sees a team that is bound to overcome their biggest obstacle on road this season, their coach, this time."

And the kind of mind that generates a certain amount of baseless twaddle?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 11:56 PM | Report abuse

No, Flip never called a timeout. He just paced back and forth with a glazed look on his face.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 19, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

05:06 left in the 3rd WAS 62-64 Mil

08:35 left in the 4th WAS 81-70 Mil
Team Timeout : Regular 08:33

Mil up by 2 and then Flip called his next time out when Mil was up by 11?

Mil won by 13...

No, Flip never called a timeout. He just paced back and forth with a glazed look on his face.

Thanks for clearing that up for me...

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I was so sure that the players could pull this off in spite of their leaderless leader.

I guess I never should have underestimated the impact/influence of a leaderless leader.

Will the real leader of this Team please stand up. With all of my boasting this morning our quote "honorary captains" according to Samson are nowhere to be found.

I guess why the naming of captains is just honorary, huh, Samson.

Samson151, can you please just fire Flip, so he can stop making all of us look so bad.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 20, 2011 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Can't attest to the pass the ball more part since none of us were in the huddle, but yes, he called several timeouts as the Bucks were getting back into it and as the Bucks were stretching their lead in the 3rd / 4th.

Posted by: ts35 | January 19, 2011 11:20 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nba.com/games/20110119/WASMIL/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000617#nbaGIboxscore

Play by Play has Flip calling a timeout with 05:06 left in the 3rd when the score WAS 62-64 Mil

The next time out is at 08:35 left in the 4th when the score was WAS 81-70 Mil

By that time Mil was up by 11 and won by 13...is the box score wrong?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Great point! He definitely should have called a timeout in between the 3rd and 4th quarters!

Let's also not factor in at all that there are built-in TV timeouts.

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 12:26 AM | Report abuse

TV timeouts don't come out of nowhere. They don't stop play, they are used when play has already been stopped.

Don't stretch the point ts35.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 20, 2011 12:32 AM | Report abuse

By that time Mil was up by 11 and won by 13...is the box score wrong?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Not at all, but as usual, doesn't really tell the story (TV timeouts, Milwaukee timeouts).

They were down by 7 to start the 4th and that basically remained unchanged until the Bucks made a two quick hoops to go up by 11.....at which point Flip called a timeout. That part is actually in the box score. So do you not even bother to read those anymore?

I've actually cataloged in pretty good detail why I think they lost the game and it doesn't really have much to do with timeouts. Not being able to buy a jump shot (and not getting much else) played more of a role. But I understand that you're not really interested in hearing what actually happened in the game because it's much easier to just criticize in the dark.


Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 12:37 AM | Report abuse

"TV timeouts don't come out of nowhere. They don't stop play, they are used when play has already been stopped."

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 20, 2011 12:32 AM

So? If the pissing is about Saunders giving the team this or that instruction, what difference does it make where the TO comes from? Maybe he was set to call one, realized that a TV timeout was 30 seconds away and waited. Unless there's some rule that prohibits coaches from actually coaching during TV time outs, requiring them to just stare awkwardly at the players in the huddle without speaking.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 20, 2011 12:39 AM | Report abuse

"why do we have 3 point guards on the floor?

Oh wait....Dray isn't a point guard..."

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 10:10 PM

Okay, that was pretty funny.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 20, 2011 12:41 AM | Report abuse

TV timeouts don't come out of nowhere. They don't stop play, they are used when play has already been stopped.

Don't stretch the point ts35.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Is Flip not allowed to coach his players during TV timeouts?

I mean for crying out loud, talking about stretching points. We're going to hang this loss on Kirk not getting a rebound and Flip's timeout calling?

Larry, I'm assuming you actually watched the game.

Again, I've posted the things I thought contributed to the loss and they include things Flip did that I think contributed. But seriously if all BF78 can come with is the timeout thing, that's pretty pathetic, and shame on you for participating. Hell, shame on my for bothering to respond.

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Earl Boykins continues to 'do the impossible'

Yup. He beats us when he was here and he beat us tonight too.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 20, 2011 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"I was so sure that the players could pull this off in spite of their leaderless leader I guess I never should have underestimated the impact/influence of a leaderless leader."LarryInClintonMD posted by LarryInClintonMD"

Um, you made a prediction based on some high-minded rhetoric instead of fact, and it turned out to be wrong.

Not the first time, I might add. And not the first time you turned right around and claimed it was the coach's fault.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Hinrich and Rashard were awful tonight, kind of amusing given how often we're told the team is helpless without them.

time to get booker, cartier, and seraphin more minutes. why the hell not?

Posted by: divi3 | January 20, 2011 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Hinrich and Rashard were awful tonight, kind of amusing given how often we're told the team is helpless without them.

time to get booker, cartier, and seraphin more minutes. why the hell not?

Posted by: divi3

Wall was pretty awful tonight too, outside of the 1st quarter. Who gets his minutes?

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 12:53 AM | Report abuse

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/videoembed?PID=5EmFkC2vmfwyHRUZB9JKK4M2qCYMsBzI

No props for anyone in this short clip, except a bit of a shout-out to Dray. He did at least mention the idea of playing more guys. The problem being there are only a couple of guys on the team who are solid offensively.

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 12:57 AM | Report abuse

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/videoembed?PID=5EmFkC2vmfwyHRUZB9JKK4M2qCYMsBzI

twaddle?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 19, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 1:09 AM | Report abuse

did Flip call a time out and tell his players they need to pass the ball more?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

yes, he called several timeouts as the Bucks were getting back into it and as the Bucks were stretching their lead in the 3rd / 4th.

Posted by: ts35 | January 19, 2011 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Now it's...

Not at all, but as usual, doesn't really tell the story (TV timeouts, Milwaukee timeouts).

They were down by 7 to start the 4th and that basically remained unchanged until the Bucks made a two quick hoops to go up by 11.....at which point Flip called a timeout.

Posted by: ts35 | January 20, 2011 12:37 AM | Report abuse

So the correct answer would have been NO Flip didn't call any timeouts during that stretch.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 1:14 AM | Report abuse

No the correct answer was he was wearing a t-shirt that said FBF78. I thought it was hilarious!

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 20, 2011 1:23 AM | Report abuse

1) Inept coaching

2) Horrendous personnel selections by Grunfeld

Posted by: squidward1 | January 19, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Kirk is killing us in this game. Man he's getting on my nerves. This small backcourt crap isnt working Flip

Posted by: dlts2041 | January 19, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey - Here is a great idea. Let's not play our leading scorer and let the guy who can't hit a shot shoot the majority of the shots in the third quarter.

I guess Flip wants the record.

What a joke of a coach we have...

Posted by: justmy2 | January 19, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Versus...

lol...whiners!

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 19, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Not the first time, I might add. And not the first time you turned right around and claimed it was the coach's fault.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2011 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Unless there's some rule that prohibits coaches from actually coaching during TV time outs, requiring them to just stare awkwardly at the players in the huddle without speaking.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 20, 2011 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Wizards record 12-28 0-20 on the road

Considering their record I would have to agree with squidward1, dlts2041 and justmy2 since all kalo_rama, Samson151 and rphilli721 do is criticize peoples post.

They don't even try to defend Flip anymore? Which I admit would be hard.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 1:29 AM | Report abuse

No the correct answer was he was wearing a t-shirt that said FBF78. I thought it was hilarious!

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 20, 2011 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure he would...I guess it's sort of like how no one from the Bush administration will/would be willing to go on The Daily Show because they know and/or knew Jon Stewart was right about their policies and losers hate it when people write the truth about them.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 1:37 AM | Report abuse

And you don't ever defend your moronic comments!

Here is your answer moron:

1 Avery Johnson New Jersey Nets Atlantic Eastern 02010-06-10 June 10, 2010 0 0 0 .000 264 194 70 .735 [36][37]
2 Jackson, PhilPhil Jackson* Los Angeles Lakers Pacific Western 02005-06-14 June 14, 2005 410[d] 266 144 .649 1,558 1,098 460 .705 [26][27]
3 Popovich, GreggGregg Popovich San Antonio Spurs Southwest Western 01996-12-10 December 10, 1996 1,098 736 362 .670 1,098 736 362 .670 [53][54]
4 Van Gundy, StanStan Van Gundy Orlando Magic Southeast Eastern 02007-06-07 June 7, 2007 246 170 76 .691 431 282 149 .654 [43][44]
5 Adelman, RickRick Adelman Houston Rockets Southwest Western 02007-05-23 May 23, 2007 246 150 96 .610 1,479 902 577 .610 [20][21]
6 Sloan, JerryJerry Sloan* Utah Jazz Northwest Western 01988-12-09 December 9, 1988 1,755 1,096 659 .625 1,970 1,190 780 .604 [57][58]
7 Karl, GeorgeGeorge Karl Denver Nuggets Northwest Western 02005-01-27 January 27, 2005 440 278 172 .618 1,657 986 671 .595 [14][15]
8 Carlisle, RickRick Carlisle Dallas Mavericks Southwest Western 02008-05-09 May 9, 2008 164 105 59 .640 656 386 270 .588 [12][13]
9 Saunders, Flip Washington Wizards Southeast Eastern 02009-04-22 April 22, 2009 82 26 56 .317 1,065 613 452 .576

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 20, 2011 1:42 AM | Report abuse

The daily show? Oh yeah, that's a real hardcore analytical intellectual program that all President's should appear on. But, I'm not surprised that is your news source. After all, you analyze games without watching. Why not get your news from a non-news source?

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 20, 2011 1:49 AM | Report abuse

The daily show? Oh yeah, that's a real hardcore analytical intellectual program that all President's should appear on. But, I'm not surprised that is your news source. After all, you analyze games without watching. Why not get your news from a non-news source?

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 20, 2011 1:50 AM | Report abuse

And you don't ever defend your moronic comments!


Posted by: rphilli721 | January 20, 2011 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Sure I do all of the time...

Here is your answer:

Flip's record with the Wizards

2009-10 NBA WAS 26 56 .317
2010-11 NBA WAS 12 28 .300

If we go with your defense why not sign Kareem Abdul-Jabbar C, Karl Malone PF, Julius Erving SF, Reggie Miller SG, John Stockton PG

They all were good at one time...I just don't think they could get it done anymore...

If you want to believe he is doing a great job that's fine...I see 0-20 on the road as a joke. There are worse teams in the NBA and they all have found a way (even if it was luck) to win one game.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 2:00 AM | Report abuse

The daily show? Oh yeah, that's a real hardcore analytical intellectual program that all President's should appear on. But, I'm not surprised that is your news source. After all, you analyze games without watching. Why not get your news from a non-news source?

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 20, 2011 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton and Obama have both gone on his show and I'm sure Bill Clinton was far more intelligent then GW.

So big deal I watch his show because at least he has a sense of humor...more then I can say for a lot of people on here who post stupid comments (yes, me too) about a game that really doesn't matter if you were to look at the unemployment, debt, foreclosures and the amount of money most people lost in their 401k's.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 2:08 AM | Report abuse

I wonder why they went on his show? Could it be he is a left leaning comic? Nooooo. Besides, doesn't mean it's a wise move. I think that show is beneath a President period or should be.

He hasn't won the last two years bc - newsflash - we are now rebuilding the team! Pretty simple huh? Nobody on that list is winning with this roster. Zero! Another pathetic non-answer.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 20, 2011 2:59 AM | Report abuse

He hasn't won the last two years bc - newsflash - we are now rebuilding the team! Pretty simple huh? Nobody on that list is winning with this roster. Zero! Another pathetic non-answer.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 20, 2011 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Newsflash the rebuilding started Feb 13 2010...Flip's record with a veteran team was 17-33?

I guess that doesn't count to some of you.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 20, 2011 4:59 AM | Report abuse

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